The Paradigm Shift To Cure Chronic Pain with Dr. Howard Schubiner
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
- “But if you step back and you’re the parent, what do you want to teach that kid? You want to teach the kid that it’s ok to fall. So, when the kid falls, you smile and say ‘Oops! That was fun, you’re ok buddy! Let’s do it again!’ Right? And that’s what you’re doing to your brain. Because your brain is looking to you; your brain is giving you pain and you’re either freaking out or you’re going ‘Oops that’s silly! I’m ok!”
Dr. Howard Schubiner, Internist and Pediatrician, Director of the Mind Body Medicine Center at Ascension Providence Hospital in Southfield, Michigan
Dr. Jen Barna discusses recent breakthroughs in curing chronic pain with esteemed guest, Dr. Howard Schubiner. Dr. Schubiner and colleagues developed Pain Reprocessing Therapy and Emotional Awareness and Expression Therapy, chronic pain treatments that focus around curing pain rather than managing pain. Dr. Schubiner offers listeners his key insights as to what he has learned is the best way to confront pain that may be stopping you or your patients from living freely. In today’s episode, Dr. Schubiner discusses neuroplasticity and the effective process in which you can ultimately retrain your brain to move away from pain, rather than continue to be stuck in a negative feedback loop. Being able to offer solutions to patients in chronic pain can be life-changing for patients and can be very fulfilling to clinicians. Dr. Barna and Dr. Schubiner also discuss the effectiveness of cognitive-behavioral based therapy and other practices that have proven to help manage pain, to cope with pain, but not to cure it. The paradigm shift now occurring is to recognize that research has demonstrated with randomized, controlled trials that chronic pain, even pain that has lasted for decades, can be alleviated in a short amount of time with lasting results using Pain Reprocessing Therapy and Emotional Awareness and Expression Therapy.
0:00 Intro
3:43 What We've Learned About Pain & Its Origins
9:56 Types of Chronic Pain Therapy
15:29 Possible Benefits and Lessons of Pain
21:27 Coping vs Treating Pain
24:43 Overlap Between Childhood and Occupational Pain
26:59 Mindfulness Therapy vs Mindfulness
28:59 Resources
30:52 Outro
Full list of resources at:
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Documentary: www.thismighthurtfilm.com/
Websites:
unlearnyourpain.com/
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Dr. Howard Schubiner is an internist and the director of the Mind Body Medicine Center at Ascension Providence Hospital in Southfield, Michigan. He is a Clinical Professor at the Michigan State University College of Human Medicine and has authored more than 100 publications in scientific journals and books. He lectures regionally, nationally, and internationally. Dr. Schubiner has consulted for the American Medical Association, the National Institute on Drug Abuse, and the National Institute on Mental Health. Dr. Schubiner is the author of three books: Unlearn Your Pain, Unlearn Your Anxiety and Depression, and Hidden From View, written with Dr. Allan Abbass.
Dr. Schubiner has collaborated extensively with colleagues such as Mark Lumley, Tor Wager, Yoni Ashar and Alan Gordon to develop two novel psychological treatments for chronic pain: Emotion Awareness and Expression Therapy (EAET) and Pain Reprocessing Therapy (PRT), which have been shown to be highly effective in randomized, controlled trials. EAET is now listed as a treatment option in the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Pain Management Best Practices Inter-agency Task Force Report.
Dr. Schubiner is part of the team that conducted the Boulder back pain study, along with Tor Wager, Yoni Ashar, Alan Gordon, Christie Uipi and Mark Lumley. This study demonstrated that 75% of the people with chronic back pain treated with a novel therapy called Pain Reprocessing Therapy recovered fully. The study also documented the changes in the brain that occurred with this treatment using function MRI scans.
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How can Medical Schools not put this in the curriculum, it’s insane.
Why would they? The whole industry would go kaput.
@@jackiec1175 the economy would collapse as well.There is no financial interest in this approach so people continue to suffer needlessly.
I agree, they would lose money.@@rlabarbera
I am from Germany. It’s at our universities too. And I agree with the two in front of me. The influence of pharmaceutical economics is so immense. And not possible in our health system. I have this pain too and I can’t find anyone!
This is the type of ‘talk’ we need in the mainstream media. ❤
My 2015 prostatitus aug-dec was brutal. Brutal!!! I stumbled upon : unlearn your pain. I was skeptical. After the book i was 100% healed in less than 5 days. The most remarkable healing experience of my life
Thank you for sharing your experience!
Liar
I am so appreciative that this is being freely shared, no "send in yr money and you too can be healed"...etc. It is the real deal!
I tried all kind of ways and means to reduce pain but all failed. my pain disappeared while listening the podcast...Thank you doc for such a revolutionary approach for relieving pain..
Thank you so much for your letting us know! We have forwarded your comment to Dr. Schubiner and wish you continued wellness!
Your pain just miraculously went away while listening to a podcast?🤷♀️
What did you cure
1st time in history females
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@@macchz5444once the brain gets it, this can happen. Some people got cured just reading Dr Sarno's book. I didn't I needed a bit more coaxing before I believed it.
I could listen to you speak about this forever. You give me much hope knowing I can get better and it is my brain trying to tell me something
Beloved Dr. Schubiner, almost to the day one year ago my brother was about to die from chronic pain. I discovered you and it set me on the road to an awareness that I began to share with my brother, involving you, Dr. Sarno and Dan Buglio, and Paul at the Pain PT that has become the basis of my brother's recovery so much this past year. God bless you, dear sir! My brother is still on the road to recovery because of you and others bent on helping others out of their chronic pain!
Thank you for sharing this! Wishing your brother a complete recovery from chronic pain.
What was his is symptoms that's wonderful
Symptoms please
Excellent interview.
Very informative in cronic pain with osteoarthritis I’m trying to learn yr tecnigues
So interesting his right this dr it’s so hard to switch of from cronic pain
Game changer
Respected Doctor. Very useful message and I would like to request you to give some teachings on palpitations , problem in absorption of food and problem of loosing weight due to these problems. Regards
Thank you for your suggestion!
Very interesting what about cronic proved arthritis can I try switch that of thank u for yr talk interesting
Il try this I hv no. Stop 🛑 pain thank u
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Hej, hur kommer jag åt översättningen till svenska?
Hej,hur kan jag få tillgång till denna lösning som du uppnått?
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What happens if it’s been proved osteoarthritis . Of the knee and foot and toes but it never ever switches of please can you explain please and whould yr methods work for osteoarthritis regards uk 🇬🇧 thank you I’d value yr opinion thank u 🙏
Please reach out to Dr. Howard Schubiner directly about your specific situation❤️
When are ya'll going to tell us how to GET OUT of chronic pain?!!!😢
Please reach out to Dr. Howard Schubiner directly about your specific situation❤️
@docworking oh, now I get it.
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We have no ties, financial or otherwise, to Dr. Schubiner. He is the expert guest on this episode, so if you have questions please ask him directly. He doesn’t monitor this thread, he was simply a guest on the podcast and his work is helping thousands of people. Hope this is helpful! Wishing you a full recovery❤
@@docworking I'm in the program Lin Health. I'm just now recently hearing about this. Please take me on as a patient. I have cash, credit or my insurance BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD PPO. I HAVE SEVERAL MRI AND CT SCAN. EVEN THOUGH MY HUSBAND IS A DOCTOR IT ISN'T MEDICAL DOCTOR. HE IS A PROFESSOR AND DOCTOR OF EDUCATION. I'M IN KATY, TX. BACK PAIN SINCE JUNE 2020. PLEASE HELP US. 😢
What Does Dr Schubiner recommend for trauma release therapy modalities for those that need that extra help?
Will this work if you actually have illnesses like arthritis or colitis?
when the pain comes? my pain is constant never any even small relief. so how do I do this stuff?
I have intense over a ten level pain and no matter what I or doctor specialist can do does not stop the pain. I haven't really been under a 6 level pain and then it shoots back up. I'm seeing spine specialist and urologist and have done blocks and I still do not know what this is. Something is moving and sliding from my lower back into my groin area. They say nothing really slides in you it's referred pain. Though it pinches, slides, grabs, squeezes, feels like jabbing with something like a pen and feels like it's going around in circles and pulsates. Nothing showed up on the CAT scan or xray. The MRI shows bulging possible ruptured discs. When I sit it's worse and I can't stand that long either. My feet were cramping and I started using magnesium spray on legs and that helps for my legs a little. Can this help me? I also have a calcification in my carotid artery in my neck that the dental surgeon found on x-ray before doing extractions and dentures to come in plan. All this stops me from doing things I used to do with out difficulty. Any help you can give me would help. Also it feels like my below area from front to back is being pulled and stretched. What is this and can it be stopped? This all started when I went off my anxiety medication because they said you can't have both scripts it's dangerous when it took millions to diagnose and then I was better to a 3 level or 4. Now it's terrible. It may have nothing to do with the pain going off the anxiety medication for PTSD.
Thank you for your comment, Lisa, and for sharing about your experience. Please contact Dr. Schubiner directly to find out how he and/or his colleagues can help you and address your pain specifically. Hope this helps!
If your anxiety medication was a benzodiazepine this may be protracted withdrawal; it can happen if you are taken off this medication too quickly or cold turkey. It can cause the symptoms you are describing. You can find help in benzo support groups on Facebook and also alot of information on UA-cam such as the benzo coalition group.
PS: I just checked out your channel, are you in Brevard county Florida? Just curious, I saw atlas 5 launch, that's where I live.
Let's say I can, for now, ease the pain some while I work on the pathway in the brain that is still alarming me about how my wife left me some years ago....is that of any value?
This would be an excellent question for Dr. Schubiner. I would like to ask him back onto the podcast and ask this and other questions. Thank you for your question!
How do I get in touch with someone to do this therapy?
Please reach out to Dr. Schubiner via his website, unlearnyourpain.com/podcasts-with-dr-howard-schubiner/, and also, I hope this will also help you to find access to this type of therapy: ppdassociation.org/ . Wishing you well!!!
Does anyone know the name of the movie about Dr Sarno around 17:10? I can't quite catch what he says.
Yes, it’s called “All the Rage” and I found a link to it on Amazon but you can google it and find it elsewhere. Here’s a link: www.amazon.com/All-Rage-Saved-Sarno-John/dp/B07NYCXH7V
@@docworkingthank you! You are very kind to share rhe link. It is appreciated.
mindfullnes is helping me manage my pain an my new workload w out a husband or boyfriend.
I have to use a walker to walk anywhere. It is very frustraing when you become this weak as to have to rely on it.
Thank you for sharing. Wishing you less pain and increasing strength🥰
What about an eye issue. I suddenly had eye flashers out of the blue. Went to eye doc. They found retinal tear. Then went back a few months later and had another retinal tear and had both lasered. I believe this is brain-induced but how do I handle this? It doesn’t seem to fit in this realm. Plus I get there flashers often in specific environments: coming in my house from light to dark; at my desk; in my hallway. I also beeline that my brain (through the eye) is overreacting to the change in lighting. Any advice greatly appreciated. This has caused me so much anxiety and fear.
Hi Patty; I’m sorry to hear about your eye flashes. I, too, have eye flashes persistently, sometimes so bad that they wake me up out of sleep. 3 doctors confirmed no retinal tear. 1 shared that it might be originating from my brain. Turns out every time I have a flare up, it coincides with a very stressful time of my life. When things calm down, they go away. It’s the strangest thing and confirms mind-body pain for me.
@@meryaguilar2807 Thank you for your response. It’s comforting to know I’m not alone. I think the fact that I had two retinal tears makes me more worried that I’ll either have more or worse. That’s the main reason I al overreacting to them. I guess I have to accept that it is subconscious stress and also brain conditioning. How long did you have them?
@@pattyboucetta1897 you are most definitely not alone in this. I understand your concern and how you can be super vigilant considering you had actual retinal tears. Since they have gotten fixed, if you continue having eye flashes, I would agree with you that your brain is creating them on their own. I first got them 3 years ago, two weeks after I had my daughter. Those two weeks were insanely stressful with no sleep, so looking back, it was definitely stress induced. They went away for a good while, returning last year after a life altering event and this past summer after another stressful situation. When did you first start experiencing yours?
@@meryaguilar2807 Thanks for sharing that. Our bodies I guess respond to stress in all kinds of crazy ways. The hardest thing is when you don’t feel stress or anxiety but your body is behaving otherwise. I think you’re right, that it’s just a conditioned brain response at this point. Sorry that you had a tough thing occur in life. I guess we all do at some point. I think if we do relaxation and tapping and keep our nervous system calm then the symptoms will lessen and disappear. 🙏🏼❤️
Please reach out to Dr. Schubiner with your important questions via his website, unlearnyourpain.com/podcasts-with-dr-howard-schubiner/, and also, I hope this resource will help you to find access to (or further exploration of) this type of therapy: ppdassociation.org/ . Wishing you well!!!
Does Dr. S. have volunteer study groups?
Great question! Please contact Dr. Schubiner directly for the answer🥰
This is so beautifully explained. Really Dr Schubiner is so compassionate and knowledgeable. Thank you both
what about neuropathy pain brought on by vax or covid - can it start here but then get stuck in loops and keep going causing these horrid daily symptoms ?
Please reach out to Dr. Howard Schubiner directly about your specific situation❤️
Will this work if you have structural pain with a legitimate cause but you have to keep working anyway? I’m doing all the right things for my arthritis but the nature of my job is physical and I need pain therapy that will get my brain to stop telling me I’m broken because I know already. I just don’t have the option to stop going. What do we tell all the blue collar workers who have no safety net to heal how to cope with chronic worsening pain?
Great question- we hope to have Dr. Schubiner back to ask this and other excellent questions people have raised
This type of stuff isn't going to heal & rid your painful & diagnosed medical conditions. This is more trauma induced pain. Mild unknown pain etc.
@@docworking TMS us the worse pain known to man oestoarthritis should be pain free
I am exactly in the same position. I have structural issues that directly coorelate with my pain. Arthritis and nerve compression.
My mum suffers from pain in her eyes. She went to so many specialists in France, and no one was able to help. I wonder if it's not the same thing?
It’s likely
What if it's something like nerve pain and it's really extreme ? I have seen video were people are screaming in pain, how do they not fear it.
Thank you for your thoughtful and excellent question. Please reach out directly to Dr. Schubiner, as he is the expert, and he was a guest on this podcast so he is not monitoring this thread. Please let us know what you find out❤️
Wow..... 🤦
What about burning mouth syndrome? 😢
I have a friend who cured himself of this with mind body work.
Doesn’t adrenaline cause one to not feel the pain?
That may work for a burst such as just after an accident, but adrenaline isn’t a solution for chronic pain
hr. I am afraid not having my husba/boyfriend home w me at night who recently passed away.
So sorry for your loss❤️🩹
thank you I am getting along a little better
Well, which is it???
cult B.S. what is this EST training ??
Of course pain comes from the brain. Where else would it come from?
Important information for some people, but I fear this is just another way to gaslight patients
What a crock while yes its your brain it isn't as easy as the dr is pushing. You can't think your pain away
It’s a bit more complicated than that. But, lots of folks have gotten better. In fact, some right here in this comments section. There’s so much to learn about our amazing bodies.
Try pushing the pain away during a gastroparesis flare! Or imagine the pain away post-op of my gj-tube placement. How about visualize the pain leaving me with bilateral lumbar nerve impingement multiple levels with severe facet joint arthritis disc ruptures & discomfort annular tears. Come on & be realistic. So many you can't just think away & it's rather insulting to those that suffer to imply such a thing
@J M ya NOPE! I'm an intractable chronic pain patient. I had to give up my beloved career of being a nurse due to becoming disabled. You can find ways to distract decrease cope with pain & flares, but it never goes away for us. I have multiple painful diagnosis & I've done & tried EVERYTHING available for years. Spent thousands out of pocket in search of relief. Until you feel & deal with what over 30 million Americans feel you won't get it. Then there's the oh, but cancer pain is different. That's not intractable/chronic. That's not the same pain. It is! Pain is pain & it sucks. How we managed pain when I was in home care hospice palliative care is how it should be. Not how it is now!
@J M oh & one last thing. "Stop worrying about your pain"? So you're pulling the catastrophizing bs? I don't worry about my pain. I don't stress about my pain. It's there just like the rest of me & it is what it is.
@@macchz5444 I'm so sorry for all that you've suffered. Pain is awful. 6 years ago, I underwent lumbar spine fusion surgery. I felt that it helped me. But, a year ago, I had a flare up of the same pain that led me to surgery 6 years ago. My surgeon said it was most likely my SI joint. I had injections in the joint with no results. He then suggested I see a physiatrist, which I did for 2.5 months with no results. He said he couldn't do anything further and suggested PT. I then went to three different physical therapists. I got worse. I tried the third PT and after two sessions, she suggested Dr. Sarno's book, Healing Back Pain. I was so angry that she suggested a book and that it could possibly be "all in my head". At this point, I had been basically bedridden for almost 8 months. I had zero quality of life and could do almost nothing. The pain was getting worse, and I was becoming hopeless. I went to Amazon and read the reviews of the book, which convinced me to give it a try. I couldn't believe it. I saw myself on every page. He was describing me. After reading the book, my pain reduced by 50%. It took another few months to get pain free. It was truly a miracle, and I would never have believed reading a book would set me on the path to healing, but it did. If you haven't read Sarno's book, why not give it a try? You really have nothing to lose but about $12 and a few hours of your time. Even if you don't suffer from back pain, the principles in the book apply to all types of chronic pain. I wish you well, and again, I am so sorry for what you are going through.