With only an emergency tiller and windy conditions, the best solution is to remind focused on the main goal: moor the boat safely even if it's not in "required position". Everything else is secondary. In this condition trying to moor the boat with 90° angle of the wind looks to be not the best solution. Come in the wind and moor direcllty on the warf ; a single line at the bow of the ship and on on one warf's boolard and you are safe. Ok, your take 3 or 4 room place, but you are safe. After that, prepare a simple translation using lines in the correct position and enough people to haul the boat parallel to the other boat. It's a common error to stay focused to the initial goal: if the things goes wrong : adapt your project and find simpler solution. And yes, it's clearly windy that day, but not 40 knots in this exact position at this time. They are in the harbour and the wind is lower.
There is no depth. It is 1.5m - 1.8m depth a that point. I would put 4 -5 fenders on port side, approach on starboard side of tied boat with enough speed and let it lay down on it by force of wind. That boat has 2 moorings hooked, and if tiller is not responding then you would just lay down on other boat, no damage. And all of this only and only IF TILER is not responding properly and it is emergency situation. After this buy those guys a drink in Maritimo caffe on other side of bay and party can begin. My 2c.
Give the guys a break! They have suffered steering failure and are using the emergency tiller. I've never used one, but I have been told they are extremely difficult to handle. Attempting to moor stern-to in those conditions with the emergency tiller would have been near impossible, so they have used the other boat plus warps. It may not have been pretty, but they got the job done.
I had similar problem with steering wheel last year and I must use emergency tiller. OK, guys made some mistakes but I must say docking with emergency tiller is not so easy, especially in strong side wind. I had docked 38 ft sailing boat in a very narrow marina with emergency tiller - tiller in the middle, throttle handle far on my right side, wind gusts 20 KN + ... very interesting must say...
agree with Andrzej, he is on emergency tiller which is not easy to use ! Defo not 40 knots, more like 15knots max !! For all of you out their who think its easy, then think again ! It is incredibly difficult to moor a yacht in any breeze at all ! never ever think its easy when you watch a sailor try, it takes years of experience and failure !
There are bunch of heroes and professionals (!) in youtube's comment section judging by just watching the video. This youtube comment culture has to be changed for good.
Not a bad job considering the conditions and having to use the emergency tiller.would have been easier to put a bowline on the stern warp, get the helper ashore to put it over the bollard and use the yachts winch to bring the stern to the quay, rather than have five people ashore pulling there bollocks off.
Seems crazy to try backing up a light Bavaria 36 cruiser (?) in those conditions, especially if there were lazy lines available! Just go bows in, sometimes better if there are shelves or rocks near the wall as there are in a lot of Med harbours. With a loop rigged between the two forward cleats the skipper could nose up to within a metre of the quay, crew member drops the loop over one of the bollards available and then picks up the lazy line. All over except for opening a beer! Stepping off the bow is a bit of a pain but no reason not to switch ends once the wind has dropped. What you learn from experience is that there is more than one way to do things! As someone else commented, even going alongside was an option until it all calmed down as there was so much quay available!
Ian, Care to pass along how you got the pagination working in the web scraper? I would like to know how you did it, I can seem to get it working, looks easy, but I am missing something that's not so quite obvious, for me at least. Thanks!
What an absolute clusterfuck. Ill prepared to dock a boat in any conditions, much less these. Lines under fenders, failure to cleat off lines, throwing a "clump" of line, instead of a coil- it's just a total mess. Glad that wasn't my boat chartered out to these clowns.
Know the port well. If you've got bora you get it from starbord right through the harbours entrance. Solution is: go astern with some speed from the harbours entry turn in leeward astern beside the berthed neighbour stop up get your windward aftspring fixed QUICK engage the prop until your lean on your neighbour disengage the prop take the mooring from the marinero
Its called med mooring, he should have at least 3X chain out and reverse in. I have a Bavaria 38 and after some years of sailing never had that problem. I am glad that they did not charter my boat, complete plonkers.
You don't use your anchor when there is fitted mooring with lazy lines. And he is on emergency tiller, so the solution to get the mooring line was not an bad approach. There is no drama in this situation, only shouting people...
First thaught is to come along side the wall - extend the line to the mooring attach stern lines then transition to the correct position - no flapping about in a beam wind and no stressing - did good though apart from a tangled line and alot of confused shouting
It 's not right to make fool of the sailors in trouble. The situation with side wind was very difficult for landing.The sailor should go firstly with the stern into the wind and tried to land on windward side of other boats. In this case a boat is landing on the leeward side of the moored boats and they should be very fast on mooring in tethering of the bow. Skipper should help with the wheel into the wind and with a few gas (at fixed stern).
these people should not be allowed to be on the water on there own. Everything that you should not do they did. Unfortunately we always encounter these cowboys in so many harbours around the world.
it is not easy to park in such weather conditions,but.....they could put boat side along the peer...it would be better for such wast knowlidge of sailing they had :)
Oh my god!! Qui sont ces marins du dimanche !! Probablement un voilier de Loc avec des néophytes à bord , heureusement qu'ils étaient au port et qu'on leurs à donner un coup de min ...
hey seriosly guys take a skipper next time if you don't know is not your fault, understandable, but if you are approaching my boat like that, you will get in deep trouble!believe me
you need to get that harbor cleaned up before any one will go there. i could not believe how disgusting it was. it had more garbage then new york. it took a long time to get the scum off my boat. Italy! they will tell you they live in the most beautiful place in the world as they fling a bag of garbage out the window of there car! please get it cleaned up. its a nice old city. but its dirty.
why in the hell doesnt he just park it alomgside the dock instead of desperatly trying to park parallel with the other boat, at leasr till the wind drops. i dont understand why in europe people obstintly wanna park that way
BYC1984 : you're right!!! I'm a German and probably you know the Germany.... all is correct ;-) so it's not good when people do the "Patent" in croatia!!! They can't sailing!!!
The worst thing about the sailing community is its propensity to mock inexperienced sailors. These were some very tough conditions and they were faced with a crowd of panicky people who think they know best all shouting conflicting instructions at them. Wind makes the inexperienced panicky and shouty leading to confusion and mistakes. Rather than shouting back why not calm the situation down? Anyway what is the problem? They got in in under 4 minutes and the boat is still floating!
Windy day makes docking difficult. So they weren't professional sailors, so what? They did all right. Leave them alone, at least they were out there doing it and not sat on the sofa like all us commenters....
OMG whats all the fuss about,fair enough unexperienced captain obviously cause once bow was secured to the other boat ,the rest wouldve been simple,all steer/rudder to port side,one good kick of reving the engine, which with the saildrive prop it has it wouldve reacted imedeatly turning the boat 90 degrees side by side to the other boat, specialy when the strong wind wouldve hit stbrd side and helped in turn,then reversed strongly with all steering/rudder to starboard side and quickly securing ropes to aft of other boat and land,and voila u are side by side tied :) ok before anybody starts with all that,yesyes very easy from the keyboard sailors point of veiw etc,i am a profesional captain who owns the same boat but bigger,a 41 foot bavaria,so i know what im talkin about,that wouldve been the right manouver ;) but as i say probably unexperienced captain and crew,so yes i guess simple things can turn complicated in these cases... :/
+pawel goril czech charter crew ... it looks always like this when you sail 1 week per year (including me :D) ... its really windy when the water is like this in the harbour ... I remember I was trying sometihing very similar is Split yacht harbour during Bora ...
noone injured - nothing damaged - everyone got a little physical work out - perfect mooring.
Remember, the best captains are always the ones safely on land yelling at you.
There are two types of sailors - those who had problems while mooring their boat and those who will. It is good there are people around ready to help!
With only an emergency tiller and windy conditions, the best solution is to remind focused on the main goal: moor the boat safely even if it's not in "required position". Everything else is secondary.
In this condition trying to moor the boat with 90° angle of the wind looks to be not the best solution. Come in the wind and moor direcllty on the warf ; a single line at the bow of the ship and on on one warf's boolard and you are safe. Ok, your take 3 or 4 room place, but you are safe. After that, prepare a simple translation using lines in the correct position and enough people to haul the boat parallel to the other boat.
It's a common error to stay focused to the initial goal: if the things goes wrong : adapt your project and find simpler solution.
And yes, it's clearly windy that day, but not 40 knots in this exact position at this time. They are in the harbour and the wind is lower.
Great comment, I totally agree with you and similar thoughts while watching. And me too, I would guess the wind at around 30 kts there...
There is no depth. It is 1.5m - 1.8m depth a that point. I would put 4 -5 fenders on port side, approach on starboard side of tied boat with enough speed and let it lay down on it by force of wind. That boat has 2 moorings hooked, and if tiller is not responding then you would just lay down on other boat, no damage. And all of this only and only IF TILER is not responding properly and it is emergency situation. After this buy those guys a drink in Maritimo caffe on other side of bay and party can begin. My 2c.
totally agree.
Give the guys a break! They have suffered steering failure and are using the emergency tiller. I've never used one, but I have been told they are extremely difficult to handle. Attempting to moor stern-to in those conditions with the emergency tiller would have been near impossible, so they have used the other boat plus warps. It may not have been pretty, but they got the job done.
I had similar problem with steering wheel last year and I must use emergency tiller. OK, guys made some mistakes but I must say docking with emergency tiller is not so easy, especially in strong side wind. I had docked 38 ft sailing boat in a very narrow marina with emergency tiller - tiller in the middle, throttle handle far on my right side, wind gusts 20 KN + ... very interesting must say...
agree with Andrzej, he is on emergency tiller which is not easy to use ! Defo not 40 knots, more like 15knots max !! For all of you out their who think its easy, then think again ! It is incredibly difficult to moor a yacht in any breeze at all ! never ever think its easy when you watch a sailor try, it takes years of experience and failure !
There are bunch of heroes and professionals (!) in youtube's comment section judging by just watching the video. This youtube comment culture has to be changed for good.
+methebeachbum I heard an equal number of heroes and professionals yelling at the captain and crew of the S/V. Sounds more like a human problem..
Not a bad job considering the conditions and having to use the emergency tiller.would have been easier to put a bowline on the stern warp, get the helper ashore to put it over the bollard and use the yachts winch to bring the stern to the quay, rather than have five people ashore pulling there bollocks off.
Seems crazy to try backing up a light Bavaria 36 cruiser (?) in those conditions, especially if there were lazy lines available! Just go bows in, sometimes better if there are shelves or rocks near the wall as there are in a lot of Med harbours. With a loop rigged between the two forward cleats the skipper could nose up to within a metre of the quay, crew member drops the loop over one of the bollards available and then picks up the lazy line. All over except for opening a beer! Stepping off the bow is a bit of a pain but no reason not to switch ends once the wind has dropped.
What you learn from experience is that there is more than one way to do things! As someone else commented, even going alongside was an option until it all calmed down as there was so much quay available!
Ian,
Care to pass along how you got the pagination working in the web scraper? I would like to know how you did it, I can seem to get it working, looks easy, but I am missing something that's not so quite obvious, for me at least.
Thanks!
What comes around, Goes around...Errrm, are you still there?
Молодцы ребята. Им было сложно но они хорошо справились.
All's well that ends well!
What an absolute clusterfuck. Ill prepared to dock a boat in any conditions, much less these. Lines under fenders, failure to cleat off lines, throwing a "clump" of line, instead of a coil- it's just a total mess. Glad that wasn't my boat chartered out to these clowns.
Know the port well. If you've got bora you get it from starbord right through the harbours entrance. Solution is:
go astern with some speed from the harbours entry
turn in leeward astern beside the berthed neighbour
stop up
get your windward aftspring fixed QUICK
engage the prop until your lean on your neighbour
disengage the prop
take the mooring from the marinero
What seems to be the problem??
The hardest part about docking boats is.... watching people, and there is like hundred people :D
Hi doesn't have a wheel, he uses an emergency tiller, as clearly visible from 3:05
Its called med mooring, he should have at least 3X chain out and reverse in. I have a Bavaria 38 and after some years of sailing never had that problem. I am glad that they did not charter my boat, complete plonkers.
You don't use your anchor when there is fitted mooring with lazy lines. And he is on emergency tiller, so the solution to get the mooring line was not an bad approach. There is no drama in this situation, only shouting people...
First thaught is to come along side the wall - extend the line to the mooring attach stern lines then transition to the correct position - no flapping about in a beam wind and no stressing - did good though apart from a tangled line and alot of confused shouting
Not easy in those conditions. Lots of armchair admirals here.
how many villagers does it take to dock at sail boat?
Prerequisite:
take a sharp lookout if the marinero keep the moorings pilot line on the quay
if the line is in the water you might get it in the screw.
WTF ...!!!??? Thank goodness for the shore-side samarathans helping 'em to dock ...
All hands on dock!
It 's not right to make fool of the sailors in trouble. The situation with side wind was very difficult for landing.The sailor should go firstly with the stern into the wind and tried to land on windward side of other boats. In this case a boat is landing on the leeward side of the moored boats and they should be very fast on mooring in tethering of the bow. Skipper should help with the wheel into the wind and with a few gas (at fixed stern).
these people should not be allowed to be on the water on there own. Everything that you should not do they did. Unfortunately we always encounter these cowboys in so many harbours around the world.
They had broken steering wheel mechanism and were using just steering pine - difficult to properly steer a boat floating backwards...
Keep safe pray for safety Ľ
40 knots?
The rudder wheel didnt function - the boat was driven by the spare rod.
why didnt they just anchor and wait for the wind to die down?
it is not easy to park in such weather conditions,but.....they could put boat side along the peer...it would be better for such wast knowlidge of sailing they had :)
It's called a Med tie up. Drop the anchor and slide back into the dock.
Oh gosh, if they werent nervous from the beginning all those guys screaming sure made it all worse!
İt s a charter boat and they are maybe second time on a boat.Thanks god they moored in a harbour. We have lots of them at south turkey....
That was fun to watch
Oh my god!! Qui sont ces marins du dimanche !! Probablement un voilier de Loc avec des néophytes à bord , heureusement qu'ils étaient au port et qu'on leurs à donner un coup de min ...
Ah oui Le Guen c’est breton donc ça légitime les jugements sur les manœuvres au port 🙄
West Coast , je ne vois pas le rapport entre mon nom de famille et ce que vois sur la video😀
two rather small fenders , well four larger fenders would make it easier.maybe just go bow in , throw a warp to other boat from stern.......
40 knots is about 8/9 Beaufort.
That's not anywhere near 40 knots. Nobody's perfect, we all have our moments eh?
Agree...on both comments.
you still need a certificate of competence to rent a boat like that... prolly got his from the back of a cereal box.
Doesn't look like even close to 40 kts of wind, 20-25 at the very most...
3:15 hahahaha xD
Czech crew... We are landlocked for a reason.
Windy and … clumsy !…
40 Knoten Wind ist zwarn nicht wenig, aber etwas unfähig stellen sich die Kollegen schon an.
hey seriosly guys take a skipper next time if you don't know is not your fault, understandable, but if you are approaching my boat like that, you will get in deep trouble!believe me
Everyone can have a big boat when they aren't able to handle and dock it..
Que desastre de tripulação!
NIXE YACHTING PALERMO Come to Palermoooo ! Come to Sicily
you need to get that harbor cleaned up before any one will go there. i could not believe how disgusting it was. it had more garbage then new york. it took a long time to get the scum off my boat. Italy! they will tell you they live in the most beautiful place in the world as they fling a bag of garbage out the window of there car! please get it cleaned up. its a nice old city. but its dirty.
40 knots? Yeah, right.
rental boats ??????????????
Job was done.
the tenchen...
erm....... no sailing seen in this video.......
why in the hell doesnt he just park it alomgside the dock instead of desperatly trying to park parallel with the other boat, at leasr till the wind drops. i dont understand why in europe people obstintly wanna park that way
12 - 14 knots ok. Not 40 ....
are you judging by the water? don't forget it's inside the harbor.
Hihihihi!!!!
BYC1984 : you're right!!! I'm a German and probably you know the Germany.... all is correct ;-) so it's not good when people do the "Patent" in croatia!!! They can't sailing!!!
The worst thing about the sailing community is its propensity to mock inexperienced sailors. These were some very tough conditions and they were faced with a crowd of panicky people who think they know best all shouting conflicting instructions at them. Wind makes the inexperienced panicky and shouty leading to confusion and mistakes. Rather than shouting back why not calm the situation down? Anyway what is the problem? They got in in under 4 minutes and the boat is still floating!
Windy day makes docking difficult. So they weren't professional sailors, so what? They did all right. Leave them alone, at least they were out there doing it and not sat on the sofa like all us commenters....
amareur seamenship
OMG whats all the fuss about,fair enough unexperienced captain obviously cause once bow was secured to the other boat ,the rest wouldve been simple,all steer/rudder to port side,one good kick of reving the engine, which with the saildrive prop it has it wouldve reacted imedeatly turning the boat 90 degrees side by side to the other boat, specialy when the strong wind wouldve hit stbrd side and helped in turn,then reversed strongly with all steering/rudder to starboard side and quickly securing ropes to aft of other boat and land,and voila u are side by side tied :)
ok before anybody starts with all that,yesyes very easy from the keyboard sailors point of veiw etc,i am a profesional captain who owns the same boat but bigger,a 41 foot bavaria,so i know what im talkin about,that wouldve been the right manouver ;) but as i say probably unexperienced captain and crew,so yes i guess simple things can turn complicated in these cases... :/
A boatload of clowns. By the way, you do not knot a line to a boat, you make it fast.
they are Czech, that is the problem :)
they were from a mountain :P
What the fuck are they trying to acheive
ukraine and belarus???
+pawel goril czech charter crew ... it looks always like this when you sail 1 week per year (including me :D) ... its really windy when the water is like this in the harbour ... I remember I was trying sometihing very similar is Split yacht harbour during Bora ...
There are no "ropes" on a boat ..stop saying "ropes"...
haha, anfänger unglück, mal en bissel üben gehn leute
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