Nelson Mandela once said, "If the ANC does what the apartheid government did to you ; do what you did to the apartheid government." He effectively said vote against the ANC. The same was said by the late Archbishop Desmond Tutu. Should they have been charged?
There is formal, informal and non-formal education. Some people are highly educated informally and non-formally than many formally educated people. Some top business owners are more streetwise and "educated" than formally educated people.
Be careful not to confuse education with skill! You go to school or attend a course to acquire educational qualification; you acquire knowledge of a trade by working under the tutelage of a master; you combine the education and the trade with self development to add all these to acquire a skill. Possessing a skill allow you to perform a task with minimal difficulty and this skill is acquired over time, throughout your life.
@ditshegomosienyane7252 Well said They are all contradicting themselves Roman dutch laws came with education and yet their are set to oppose it Indeed skills are different from education
Zuma and Tony Yengeni are miss interprinting the rules on purpose...... There's a difference in voting with and voting for....... Zuma violated the rules plain and simple.
@@wilmaross4160what job can he do well,DA didn't grow,he only retain WC province,he is no different from ramaphosa useless, just there because they are put there,no leadership, John can't win anything for DA other then WC that is not contested well.
Clement, I had a respect for this comrade call tony. But now after listening to him,and his response to questions you asked him. I came to a conclusion that he shares the same sentimence or idiology with zupta. And I feel that he doesn't understand that there is a Different between the two cases of Anc voting with DA in GNU and that of zupta Endorsement of Mkp. And also decampaining your so called you beloved being their leader or president. So it is clear that the mkp is the Anc of zupta and the current Anc the Anc of ramaphosa. The of ramaphosa that is about Renewal and fighting corruption, and of zupta which is against Renewal and fighting corruption especially against the allies.
If fighting corruption means buying of votes to get a position (Presidential)keeping foreign currency in hiding and bringing to Zizi Kodwa who is facing charges we are swimming deeper in corruption
The ANC should have fired Mr Zuma immediately!!!! He betrayed the ANC. When the ANC was formed Mr Zuma was not there he became a member many years later, so it's not his organisation.he was only a member. What is wrong with you people! Can't you think! Suppose to be educated!!! Listen yourselves.
He was arrested and imprisoned .If zuma the thug stops avoiding and blaming everyone being biased towards him and continuously getting sick like he is dying for his many cases , He would have been rotting in jail for a long time now ! Take that in
@@petrosdlamini1761 Terror Lekota didn’t claim to be a member of ANC. By forming COPE he had moved on. This thing is very simple, open and shut case, there is no need to muddy the waters. You can’t form a new party and contest against your old party and still claim you are members of both.
@@khaltsharivist365 he is still a member of the ANC he never resigned, worse of lekota, Zuma endorsed the mk party, the party was opened by other people and he supported it that all what he said
Disciplinary hearing is not a waste of time. It's just a formality to close the books. It is necessary, therefore. Mr JG Zuma must also be known by the ANC records that he left the ANC for the MKP.
The system is flawed. Politicians just go to parliament without any form of qualifications, but I can't work as a parliamentary staff member without qualification.
Tony Yengeni's interview is a practical example that when reasoning depart from you, it does not tell you. It also seem that he never read or attempted to know the actual Charge with the intention to counter it. Or defend JZ.
IF I WAS PRES-ZUMA,I WOULD DO THE SAME AS HE DID,TO SLEEP IN JAIL,JAILED BY YOUR OWN PEOPLE,HE PUT THEM IN LEADESHIP POSITION,THEN THEY SOLD HIM OUT,SO PAINFUL&ANGRYTILL HE LEAVE THIS WORLD,THIS IS A LIFE PAIN.
ANC has JUST ONE problem, which is fight for STATE RESOURCES, fighting for TENDERS. As long as we don't have that ANC, this battle is going to continue.
Why such a huge premium for higher schooling? The bureaucracy, yes, those are people who should have the necessary skills to work because those are people that actually do work.
Why is qualifications a problem only now that we know the DA leader has only matric?? What about all the years JZ was in politics?? Please stop this type of thinking.
@@pjhaas63 this is the eff’s ploy to shade the VBS case! Without a shadow of doubt they have tons to answer for ! Now juliASS is acting like he all along said that they received a donation from VBS !!NO they did not
We work in this sector and we feel very undermined to be led by Dubula-inyanga at this point in democratic SA. It feels like we've time travelled back to apartheid times. I can bet his DA mentality will reverse most of the progress that has been made in this critical sector
@@KevinDavis-op3qp There are documented and real reasons why President Zuma couldn't study, he is a former political prisoner and a brave freedom fighter What is John's excuse?
Well people voted for ramadollar every project that jz started, were destroyed, the power station,roads,free education, nuclear power, BRICS, it's not racist that we are busy with, it's a fact that some few people are controlling the economy, remember rand manipulators, the systematic demolition of state companies to be privatized, it can't be business as usual,we are in war and that war is not going to end until we call things as they are.
Face the Nation, don't you think its unfair because it creates space for discrimination against the people who's rights are enshrined in the Constitution of the Republic of South Africa especially, those who have Political interests? (1) Term of Office doesn't require qualifications because people are voted into power, unlike the civil society were people have to apply for certain jobs based on their qualifications they possess with regard permanence of Office.
Why are this TV stations not applying to court to televise this disciplinary hearing, like they did with other court cases, are they afraid Zuma will expose them?
He dinied very damaged that was done by Jacob Zuma,he come with a his rubbish nonsense,those people who did n't vote for the ANC are the 1 make noise, Zuma tryd everything to destroy ANC and Ramaposa he failed, Toni Yengeni is useless when Mk saying they don't want to work with ANC.wre quite.now ANC rejected the Mk new nee nee futsek all you u didn't vote ANC fselk u re sellout
I can't believe Natasha Mazzone has no post matric qualification! Now this begs a question - what makes it so wrong for black political leaders not to have tertiary qualifications when it's right for their white counterparts? The DA didn't send one, but two ministers without tertiary qualifications to be ministers. Shocking for the party that advocates for education.
There we have it guys, the ANC is unable/incapable to govern. Thank you Yengeni for your honesty. You are just wasting our time, together with your messiah Zuma.
Saying or not saying it's the same thing you have voted for another party remember when they told. him they are going to vote with opponents to take him out of the presidency
They sent him to Prison without standing trial & it was virtual...Now they going to expel him without himself answering virtually😂Cowardice in all front😂
Education is a privilege and provided to those with the means. Having character is a choice. The parliamentary process should take care of those not blessed with common sense.!
"Only matric"? Are you serious? I "only" have matric and I will debate you in public if you are so brave!! Life experience is a powerful tool. And it is not only myself who is able to make you eat your words. I am sure that there are people, right now, lining up behind me to take up your challenge.
I agree the way forward is skill not studying to claim certification for every single thing this is bias, look at all the black people they have skills
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Funny how the tables turn. Just a few years ago the very same people were making fun of Malema and woodwork, and now they're "Masters in manners"...
White hypocrisy 😂😂
@@darlingtonmachilar6745 zumpta logic
Imagine, its laughable😅
They must be virtuous not only university education
Nelson Mandela once said, "If the ANC does what the apartheid government did to you ; do what you did to the apartheid government." He effectively said vote against the ANC. The same was said by the late Archbishop Desmond Tutu. Should they have been charged?
Did they form another party nd voted against the ANC just like Zuma did?
Plz get your facts right b4 coming here nd mislead people
Oh yes they did remember COPE please go get some education
Uphambene wena u Tutu no Mandela babekhe ba form C0PE?
But is was zuma who did to you what apartheid did to you !! he was the anc president, so he cannot just leave and absolve himself.. he is the problem
@@dilochetty9332you are mad crazy
Further education means nothing if you're a corrupt individual.
If further education is offered to MP’s then it should become a necessity.
Yengeni don't make us fools, you know that Mk, was formed before GNU
Listening is a skill he said in the past we had ANC members who voted with the DA .
You are hallucinating
STUPID U
What can you expect from this Tony
There is formal, informal and non-formal education. Some people are highly educated informally and non-formally than many formally educated people. Some top business owners are more streetwise and "educated" than formally educated people.
Glad Tony told u that u asking questions u know answers to.
Then he Tony was like, "There you go again"😂😂😂😂😂. Respect to you Mr Yengeni. What a Sound Gentleman.
Sound? Lol voting with is not voting for.
@@thetad1242 I wasnt talking about voting your highness
Be careful not to confuse education with skill! You go to school or attend a course to acquire educational qualification; you acquire knowledge of a trade by working under the tutelage of a master; you combine the education and the trade with self development to add all these to acquire a skill. Possessing a skill allow you to perform a task with minimal difficulty and this skill is acquired over time, throughout your life.
Lol what a weak argument
Nonsense
Beautiful, a person who is cognitive. We need millions more of people like you in our country. 👏👏👏👏
@ditshegomosienyane7252
Well said
They are all contradicting themselves
Roman dutch laws came with education and yet their are set to oppose it
Indeed skills are different from education
Zuma and Tony Yengeni are miss interprinting the rules on purpose...... There's a difference in voting with and voting for....... Zuma violated the rules plain and simple.
What is the difference when people once voted to remove the President of the ANC in a motion raised by the opposition?
Are you afraid to mention that Ramaposa is the main problem.is that difficult?
Access to tenders
Exactly he started this when he decided to vote with the DA
Juniors disciplining the senior 😂😂😂!
Why does Zuma just not quit the ANC… He belongs to another party thats the official opposition . I dont understand what the issue is.
He loves ANC . He wants ANC to kick Ramaphosa who's a sellout and they can work things out with the remaining ANC
Why can't Ramadollar quit the ANC as he's working with the DA to destroy the ANC from within? No answer
Let Zuma answer for himself
Shows how shallow Yengeni is 🙄🤔 we defends a wrong by claiming another wrong he should be expelled too
John a least can do his work very well as Nastia olso
You wish racist
@@wilmaross4160what job can he do well,DA didn't grow,he only retain WC province,he is no different from ramaphosa useless, just there because they are put there,no leadership, John can't win anything for DA other then WC that is not contested well.
Being expelled from anc is no longer a train smash. Anc us now a useless sellout organization
Clement, I had a respect for this comrade call tony. But now after listening to him,and his response to questions you asked him. I came to a conclusion that he shares the same sentimence or idiology with zupta. And I feel that he doesn't understand that there is a Different between the two cases of Anc voting with DA in GNU and that of zupta Endorsement of Mkp. And also decampaining your so called you beloved being their leader or president. So it is clear that the mkp is the Anc of zupta and the current Anc the Anc of ramaphosa. The of ramaphosa that is about Renewal and fighting corruption, and of zupta which is against Renewal and fighting corruption especially against the allies.
Slima ngempela wena
If fighting corruption means buying of votes to get a position (Presidential)keeping foreign currency in hiding and bringing to Zizi Kodwa who is facing charges we are swimming deeper in corruption
The ANC should have fired Mr Zuma immediately!!!!
He betrayed the ANC.
When the ANC was formed Mr Zuma was not there he became a member many years later, so it's not his organisation.he was only a member.
What is wrong with you people! Can't you think! Suppose to be educated!!! Listen yourselves.
A convicted criminal Sends a drunk deliquent to defend his line! There is no case for zuma ! Zuma a spineless and must be thrown in jail
You crazy
What crime was Zuma convicted off? What spineless act that you feel wants him to be arrested?
He was arrested and imprisoned .If zuma the thug stops avoiding and blaming everyone being biased towards him and continuously getting sick like he is dying for his many cases , He would have been rotting in jail for a long time now ! Take that in
@@sanelisiwedlamini7142 and you are a domkop
@@seanmyers8380 clearly you lost the plot as that ship has already sailed ! He is a criminal and was convicted and jailed !!! Helllloo
U cant be ANC and be MK.... Nothing tried, thats nonsense
Lekota never resigned from ANC.
Shut up wena😂
@@petrosdlamini1761 Terror Lekota didn’t claim to be a member of ANC. By forming COPE he had moved on. This thing is very simple, open and shut case, there is no need to muddy the waters. You can’t form a new party and contest against your old party and still claim you are members of both.
@@khaltsharivist365 he is still a member of the ANC he never resigned, worse of lekota, Zuma endorsed the mk party, the party was opened by other people and he supported it that all what he said
The late Chief Mangosuthu Buthelezi never resigned from the ANC
Disciplinary action waste of time period!!
They should just let him go
Disciplinary hearing is not a waste of time. It's just a formality to close the books. It is necessary, therefore. Mr JG Zuma must also be known by the ANC records that he left the ANC for the MKP.
The system is flawed. Politicians just go to parliament without any form of qualifications, but I can't work as a parliamentary staff member without qualification.
Tonny Yengeni is old and very confuse he is day dreaming
😂😂😂😂 everybody here in SA who tells the truth pple they will he's old and confused why
And he is a convicted criminal ....
The have PHDs and became comedians in parliament
And no contend, just cause chaos
That GNU is a circus , hence we have such behavior , you cannot blame whoever exhibit the comedian skills.
Very true, as they won't pursue any other job opportunities with those (shelf)PHDs beside performing circus in parliament.
Because even the way they acquired those PHDs is questionable
In Parliament they make sense
they cause Chest Pains to the Ignorant
U defitely don't understand politics
So the problem is Zuma said it publicly and others made it privaly, like bill blur said it on video so you can't denie it, shame Zuma.
Toni Yengeni should not do this interview on behalf of Zuma. He sounds like a lacky.
The results down spiralled because of the formation of MK. Tony musg not come and make a mockery of us
Thank Clement the feeling is mutual
Tony Yengeni's interview is a practical example that when reasoning depart from you, it does not tell you. It also seem that he never read or attempted to know the actual Charge with the intention to counter it. Or defend JZ.
I also concur with the person who said education is nothing if are corrupt. We have educated Counselors who are so corrupt 😊
Education is important, whether we like it or not. Minimum education should be required for any leader who wants to represent the citizens.
I agree with Yengeni. Before voting for the other party, ANC policies were supposed to be changed.
Zuma voted against the Anc and leads Mk which is totally against the Anc. The issue of the Da doesn't arise at all.
There's no difference here if this GNU is led by Gogo Zille.
He voted for MK, not against ANC. He does not support ANC of Ramaphosa
Ramaphosa must just resign his not fit or principled enough to run this nation we call him dodgy Rama 😊
The issue of DA applies in principle.
Isn't DA against ANC?
Mr Tony a first comrade to commit corruption 😅😅😅😅😅
Thanks for a reminder hence we ad forgotten.
Some things dnt need to be aired how do u defend a person who himself has publicly admitted he is MK but what can u expect frm Yengeni
Yengeni was MK and ANC at the sametime, mk is the ANC wing
@@groupupsouthafricaleave them they learn a lot of things this time around they think we are stupid hear they must leave Zuma alone period,!
Where and when ?
Ramaposa should be also charged with crimes he committed
Toni Yengeni tried to defend Zuma but unable to argue the matter with any facts just in circles like a moth around a candle flame.
Yes, please 🙏. They must be qualified for the positions they are holding.
IF I WAS PRES-ZUMA,I WOULD DO THE SAME AS HE DID,TO SLEEP IN JAIL,JAILED BY YOUR OWN PEOPLE,HE PUT THEM IN LEADESHIP POSITION,THEN THEY SOLD HIM OUT,SO PAINFUL&ANGRYTILL HE LEAVE THIS WORLD,THIS IS A LIFE PAIN.
What was they suppose to defend corruption He put himself in 🤣🤣🤣🤣
ANC has JUST ONE problem, which is fight for STATE RESOURCES, fighting for TENDERS.
As long as we don't have that ANC, this battle is going to continue.
Why such a huge premium for higher schooling? The bureaucracy, yes, those are people who should have the necessary skills to work because those are people that actually do work.
Eff making education fashionable? But they still can't comprehend their responsibilities as parliamentarians. It seen they qualified for insults😢
You just hating, those guys are well learned! 😎
EFF so far is the best. Not corrupt ANC
Is it possible for a teacher to be MEC for the department of HEALTH??????.REALLY 😂😂😂😂
Yes you need education especially digitally.
i doubt these guys know just how to open excel
Yes we do need legislation that requires public office bearers to have specific minimum requirements!
Why is qualifications a problem only now that we know the DA leader has only matric??
What about all the years JZ was in politics?? Please stop this type of thinking.
@@pjhaas63 this is the eff’s ploy to shade the VBS case! Without a shadow of doubt they have tons to answer for ! Now juliASS is acting like he all along said that they received a donation from VBS !!NO they did not
He expelled himself the moment he encouraged people to vote against the ANC.
That's true Sir
mkp will be the alternate of anc ..both of them will rule when ramaphose is gone... that is the trike
But they also did that in parliament dore
Our Minister Of Agriculture does not have matric!
But we are seemingly now making too much out of education in politics. There is a different structure there.
We work in this sector and we feel very undermined to be led by Dubula-inyanga at this point in democratic SA. It feels like we've time travelled back to apartheid times.
I can bet his DA mentality will reverse most of the progress that has been made in this critical sector
He has matric but zuma was president with grade 3
He stole from the country u fool
@@KevinDavis-op3qp There are documented and real reasons why President Zuma couldn't study, he is a former political prisoner and a brave freedom fighter
What is John's excuse?
Kanter Tony is such a shallow minded man. Nate o ga a na nnete.bad...bad he should follow zuma
A degree in Disney from the Uni of Mickey Mouse should not a requirement for MP. But a lifestyle audit is a must.
What reasons were provided by the ANC for unilaterally deciding to convene the hearing virtually? It just makes no sense to me.
A disgraced and disgruntled member.
While south Africa are still obsessed with racist Ethiopia is built dam and airlines which connects Africa to the world.
Well people voted for ramadollar every project that jz started, were destroyed, the power station,roads,free education, nuclear power, BRICS, it's not racist that we are busy with, it's a fact that some few people are controlling the economy, remember rand manipulators, the systematic demolition of state companies to be privatized, it can't be business as usual,we are in war and that war is not going to end until we call things as they are.
Tony is talking absolute tripe
Face the Nation, don't you think its unfair because it creates space for discrimination against the people who's rights are enshrined in the Constitution of the Republic of South Africa especially, those who have Political interests? (1) Term of Office doesn't require qualifications because people are voted into power, unlike the civil society were people have to apply for certain jobs based on their qualifications they possess with regard permanence of Office.
Voting with is not voting for surely This Yengeni ought to know that
Why are this TV stations not applying to court to televise this disciplinary hearing, like they did with other court cases, are they afraid Zuma will expose them?
It is embarrassing to listen to the veterans of
Qualification is not important. It has nothing to do with corruption.
🤤
Maybe lets say before assuming each office they must atleast be schooled for 3 months in that particular office.
Y only old ppl in the parliament without qualifications why we have young youth with qualifications but sitting at homes
When will DA open Westen Cape goverment books and Cadre Deployment records South Africans have right to get full pic of GNU affairs Right?
ActionSA MP's are more than qualified
Clement is trying so hard become a great reporter 😂😂
Mr. Clement you have tried, this Man is a copy of Mr. J.Z
He dinied very damaged that was done by Jacob Zuma,he come with a his rubbish nonsense,those people who did n't vote for the ANC are the 1 make noise, Zuma tryd everything to destroy ANC and Ramaposa he failed, Toni Yengeni is useless when Mk saying they don't want to work with ANC.wre quite.now ANC rejected the Mk new nee nee futsek all you u didn't vote ANC fselk u re sellout
We are in a mess today on service delivery due to our leaders with little to no education.
I can't believe Natasha Mazzone has no post matric qualification! Now this begs a question - what makes it so wrong for black political leaders not to have tertiary qualifications when it's right for their white counterparts? The DA didn't send one, but two ministers without tertiary qualifications to be ministers. Shocking for the party that advocates for education.
The fact is JZ The Chess Master registered ANC. It will be foolish for Tony to disclose their strategy on media.
Corruption killed ANC
There shuold be minimum qualification requirement
JZ is ANC till he dies. MK is us and Msholozi is us. I see no contradiction ❤
There we have it guys, the ANC is unable/incapable to govern. Thank you Yengeni for your honesty. You are just wasting our time, together with your messiah Zuma.
Some people do not have degree and the honest the do not steal from country ❤❤❤❤
As lost as ever learn to listen
Saying or not saying it's the same thing you have voted for another party remember when they told. him they are going to vote with opponents to take him out of the presidency
That a person is old is not a point
Zuma will turn even more vicotoius now that he dismissed from ANC
What about john
Qualifications firstly , 1st the salary paid is on par with proficiency .
PhDs seem to be a poor indicator of fitness for public office
Zuma just wants to tie the ANC up and waste their money. That's a thumbs up from me. 😂
These days its not about Education but connection yes we need to further our studies but 💰 is a problem sometimes
What is Yengeni saying?
He is trying to defend the indefensible and so he is just waffling. He lacks integrity.
Hai Tony you are mad!
😢I'm sure Tony also have a degree or Dr Tony
They sent him to Prison without standing trial & it was virtual...Now they going to expel him without himself answering virtually😂Cowardice in all front😂
Clement my super 🌟 star 🌟
In some people to study for an degree doesn't change anything . You just need to observe them.
True comrade tony
Education is a privilege and provided to those with the means. Having character is a choice. The parliamentary process should take care of those not blessed with common sense.!
Tony you don't know what are you talking about just go home don't waisting our time
Yes! Clement we need legislation for min requirements for those posts!
Yes they must have qualification for them to lead.mr kanyinga from Namibia.
This Yengeni guy is a joke...
Jacob Zuma is going to scream and shout personal platitudes........and walk out like he did in the State capture commission.
I really don't understand why these ZUPTA is given platform to mislead ordinary members of the society, it is just tiring.
Clement you are waisting time, maybe bhut' Tony's logic on this issue can be best understood in the corridors of night clubs in Cape Town.
Why would you want to study further when you get paid millions a year
Do you have thier papers or some proof of them taking those assessments orvyou just clapping hands from the outside
If Jacob Zuma was educated state capture shouldint have happend
Zuma a divisive leader who thrives on tribalism
"Only matric"? Are you serious? I "only" have matric and I will debate you in public if you are so brave!! Life experience is a powerful tool. And it is not only myself who is able to make you eat your words. I am sure that there are people, right now, lining up behind me to take up your challenge.
The problem is there's no way of finding out if a person is capable, that's the whole point of educational system
@@mvelompanza3803well, a body of work is great evidence of competence. Let’s not confuse schooling with education
I agree the way forward is skill not studying to claim certification for every single thing this is bias, look at all the black people they have skills
What?
Why is he calling a traitor commorade? He is a sellout of the party.