I love my turbo fz09, but get way more seat time and enjoyment on my electirc cr80 and modded razors riding the woods in my neighborhood. Without the noise it's basically our private track.
Great informative content! Beast setup on the Surron! 💨 Maybe you can drag race both bikes together next video? Surron is the most fun you can have on two wheels IMO!
Need to factor the rider weight in power to weight ratio. With a 150 rider, the 450 is 400 lbs / 47 HP is 8.5 pounds per HP. The surron is 270 lbs / 26 HP is 10.4 HP. So with the rider the power to weight ratio is actually worse for the surron. Also in a drag race situation saying a electric vehicle has instant torque and a gas vehicle doesn't really doesn't make any sense. You can launch the bike at whatever rpm you want and when you dump the clutch you'll be at peak torque. Still very impressive how close the surron is. I would bet a more experienced rider would have that 450 time down around 4 seconds though.
My previous dirt bike made 58whp and could do 114mph if you had enough room. Surrons got it beat in the weight department though almost half the weight. You should do a 20mph roll on the throttle race and see how they compare
The 450 puked and sputtered and lost a full second launching, did not shift at max rpm. Also misfiring a bit in higher gears. Set playback speed to .25x 450 has top speed of 123, gear it for 102 like Surron and it could be 3 second bike
Hey Jack dont know if you heard or even know of these guys but this giy has a channel called E-bike Guy he builds batterys and e bikes custom kinda lol well his son is the guy who rode his ebike over 100mph passed away in a motorcycle crash aweek ago in the Fl. Area not exactlly sure this car pulled out in front of him and guess he couldnt get away from death that day it came for him .
@@surronzak8154 lol like your opinion mean anything with a username name like that lol Maybe experience the real thing with a real bike with a real engine No gear,no clutch,weak rim,small tire,cheap suspension no thank you.Can you do a 200 feet jump with your baby toy or ride more than 1 hour guest what my bike can do like 125 mile on a tank and it take 2 minute to fill and where are you gonna charge your toy in the middle of the wood and you still need to change the whole system to just get the same performance as a real dirt bike Driving on a bike path is boring as fuck if I want to go somewhere I take my car so I have a roof and heat or a/c and is way more safe that a bike in traffic And I would love to see you doing 100mph in a dirt trail in the wood going faster is not a plus clown And better keep it outside while charging it could burn your entire house with you in it lol
This video with the vibes is what I needed today, Educational, Passion driven and entertaining. Glad I'm coming back to Jacks channel
Thanks! That means a lot.
Yall guys think a 450 gas powered motocross bike is faster than a surron thats been Jacked up 😂 lol
Very cool video. I love all of the numbers comparisons and then the real world comparisons.
Thank you!
Well this makes me much more excited for my 72v chi battery to arrive. Never would have guessed a surron could compete with a 450
What a time to be alive. But to be clear, I'm using the NexBat from Darwin EV.
Jack gives the ppl what they wanted !!! My dude !
Gotta give it to em!
Insta-sub! Great stuff right here. Glad the algorithms blessed me this morning
Still can’t believe how close it is, the Sur Ron is in a class of it’s own
It really is!
Can't wait to see you tune an ERide Pro
I love my turbo fz09, but get way more seat time and enjoyment on my electirc cr80 and modded razors riding the woods in my neighborhood. Without the noise it's basically our private track.
Let’s goooo Jack!!
Nice explantation and demo Jack. But what you compare is a Tuned pimped sur ron vs a stock 450.
Great informative content! Beast setup on the Surron! 💨 Maybe you can drag race both bikes together next video? Surron is the most fun you can have on two wheels IMO!
Wanted to keep the comparison technical. Not a "race". That's why we chose this format.
Jack, you rock! The Surron is a beast to be electric. Peace ✌️
Thanks man!
Epic❤💪 What's the torque difference?
Add a hub motor to the rear or maybe the front wheel. with the Surron mid-drive, it would work, and would be fast as hell.
Close comparison cool
Excellent Presentation. Would love to see a brushless gearless hub motor test up against them as well. Cough cough qs273
That would be cool
Need to factor the rider weight in power to weight ratio. With a 150 rider, the 450 is 400 lbs / 47 HP is 8.5 pounds per HP. The surron is 270 lbs / 26 HP is 10.4 HP. So with the rider the power to weight ratio is actually worse for the surron. Also in a drag race situation saying a electric vehicle has instant torque and a gas vehicle doesn't really doesn't make any sense. You can launch the bike at whatever rpm you want and when you dump the clutch you'll be at peak torque. Still very impressive how close the surron is. I would bet a more experienced rider would have that 450 time down around 4 seconds though.
I still can’t believe you can do 102 on a Sur Ron!!!😂😂😂 and actually have the balls to do it!!!!!🤪🤪🤪🫡🫡🫡✊🏼✊🏼✊🏼
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That's scoot'n! Was the draggy recording the 0-30, 330, and 60' times? Is that with or without roll out?
Yes Without rollout.
I’d love to see you Dyno the acclaimed “80hp electric stark varg”
I'd love to!
Bryan haskell has already dynoed it. 67hp
It's only 60hp
Is that an R32 on the hoist?
Do you still own the shop? How come we never see videos from there anymore?
Yes of course. I’m not interested in showing customer cars on here. Just my tech stuff.
@@JackCecil that’s cool. Thanks for letting us know. I still enjoy the stuff you put out.
even if it had half the power its not even close to the same experience. both are amazing but very different
My previous dirt bike made 58whp and could do 114mph if you had enough room. Surrons got it beat in the weight department though almost half the weight. You should do a 20mph roll on the throttle race and see how they compare
Yea i wanted it as close to stock to compare.
What’s the power to weight ratio?
You should try and race a 450 in the 1/4, that would be great content!
450s run out of gear too quick.
@@JackCecilGood point, still be would pretty interesting to see, badass build man, be safe out there.
u cant ride a 450 in the bike lane
you cant ride a surron on mars
Very true!
@@audidreamscometrue actually you can, gas bike wouldnt work on mars tho. Electric however, it doesnt need o2 to combust
@@RexerYTRexerand you gonna charge it with what on mars
I ride bike to have fun in the trail running on the side walk is stupid if I need to go somewhere I use my car way better
the aerox might be faster then both ? but great video I need a surron👍
Haha it would be right there with them.
This is like the 3rd or 4th version of the SurOn so you are over 10 grand into it including the purchase price
The total cost of the surron as it sits is under 10k.
@@JackCecil under 10k? that is not bad at all
The 450 puked and sputtered and lost a full second launching, did not shift at max rpm. Also misfiring a bit in higher gears. Set playback speed to .25x
450 has top speed of 123, gear it for 102 like Surron and it could be 3 second bike
What’s the motor and controller?
Check out the series! Torp stuff.
What are the price differences
You could google it. The market is always changing.
@@JackCecil i can't find prices for all the upgrades you do xD thats why I asked
suzuki carry represent
Hey Jack dont know if you heard or even know of these guys but this giy has a channel called E-bike Guy he builds batterys and e bikes custom kinda lol well his son is the guy who rode his ebike over 100mph passed away in a motorcycle crash aweek ago in the Fl. Area not exactlly sure this car pulled out in front of him and guess he couldnt get away from death that day it came for him .
Very sad.
Are you worried about the batteries exploding
Not at all.
One is way more fun to ride and you can ride all day
Yea the SurRon is definitely more fun. I agree.
@@JackCecil lol I disagree
@@legros731 cause you never experienced it ^^
@@surronzak8154 lol like your opinion mean anything with a username
name like that lol
Maybe experience the real thing with a real bike with a real engine
No gear,no clutch,weak rim,small tire,cheap suspension no thank you.Can you do a 200 feet jump with your baby toy or ride more than 1 hour guest what my bike can do like 125 mile on a tank and it take 2 minute to fill and where are you gonna charge your toy in the middle of the wood
and you still need to change the whole system to just get the same performance as a real dirt bike
Driving on a bike path is boring as fuck if I want to go somewhere I take my car so I have a roof and heat or a/c and is way more safe that a bike in traffic
And I would love to see you doing 100mph in a dirt trail in the wood going faster is not a plus clown
And better keep it outside while charging it could burn your entire house with you in it lol
Your 2t scooter will destroy the Surron 😎
Yea probably. lol.