For a horn player...Formant relating to the vowel sound is crucial understanding. This is how a trumpet player will match the shape of their throat for the frequency of the note they're trying to achieve. It is the formant of the frequency. A low note on the trumpet is the aah sound. A high note on the trumpet is the ee sound. If you're trying to play a high note on trumpet, that would be the "ee" formant. If your throat shapes for ee the high note will be easier to play and will sound better. If you're trying to play that high note and you have the shape (formant) of your throat for the "ooh" sound it will be hard to play the high note because the fomant of your throat doesn't match. For a low note on the trumpet they will shape the throat for the "ooh" sound. They are not singing "ooh" through the trumpet. Just shaping the throat for it. When you get the shape of your throat matching the formant of the note you're trying to play, that's when the note jumps straight into better tone. The trumpet response is almost instant, easier to start. And the tone is rich and resonant because the shape of your throat (formant) matches the note you're trying to play. So when you play trumpet from a low note up to a high note your throat should continually change from "who, boo, or poo" to "oh, bow, or Poe" to "ah, baa, or pa" to "a, bay, or pay" and finally to "he, bee or pee" for the highest notes. You don't _sing_ those words through the trumpet. You just shape your throat as if you were going to. And if your vocal chord is the correct matching tension for _singing_ the note you're trying to play. Then you are a professional. That is the secret sauce. The "in between" vowel sounds are called dipthongs. Midway between A and E is the diphthong AE. All of these sounds correspond to the notes of the instrument. Give some "throat" to your trumpet sound. It also applies to vocalists.
Intriguing! I self-taught some trumpet in my youth, but never put those concepts together, nor were they ever taught in school music programs. I suppose that's one difference between group music programs and private instruction.
@@RickJohnson I was giving away the secrets! When you make the ooh sound for the deeper notes, the tongue flattens out and makes a larger cavern which is perfect for the lower notes. When you make the e sound your tongue naturally raises upward and creates a more narrow air channel which is ideal for the high notes. 👍
Fun! I guessed every single one easily; but I've never equated it to these mnemonics. Good work for teaching a fundamental concept for the community! This will help many people!
Good tip! However, spotting those frequencies in pink noise is not the same as spotting them in the context of music. It's not a bad place to start, but I'd suggest training one's ears by taking a piece of music one enjoys listening to repeatedly and running it through a parametric EQ, setting a single mid band to medium to narrow Q, and boost 250 Hz by +6db, then gradually sweep up through the other frequencies you mention in the video, and pay attention to what aspects in the sound jump out at each frequency. Then do the same thing, but instead of boosting, use a -6db cut, and pay attention to what aspects of the sound get swallowed up each time at each frequency. Once you feel comfortable with that tune, try another in a different style, doing the same thing, and so on until you have a decent grasp on what you are listening for. You can make this exercise more effective if you have another person who can shift the frequencies without you seeing and asking you to tell them which frequency they boosted or cut. Good luck!
As a signal analyst who tries hard to view (or to hear) the world as scale and frequency or what's alike to it, I found this very intriguiing. Thanks for your inspiring content!
Great guide, the way I learned when I was a teen was ringing a wedge slowly and identifying each of the feeding frequencies then filtering out in a 1/3 graphic, doing this over and over in different rooms and situations gave me the confidence to do it in live shows
Holy Moline! I never paused long enough to notice this before. Thnx for this as these absolutely Amazing Austrian Audio Hi-X15 headphones provide me with the first time ever demonstrating an open honest Smooth-as-Sade Silky 20Hz Sine. in an anechoic chamber, that smooth.
Easier to do with white noise than actual music. I can get within range by ear but to pick out the exact frequency is more difficult and more of an educated guess .
Depends very much on the speakers you use. Would be useful to train your ear on various speakers, from small near-field monitors to large room speakers. The room itself is also a big variable.
Really fun stuff! The first test really reminded me of traffic noise from a highway or similar - most car tires seem to have a resonant frequency around 1 kHz, which causes a significant peak there on the otherwise wide spectrum "friction noise" (especially at higher speeds). I'm very familar with most of those test's playing around with EQ on different sounds, so I hear the differences pretty well anyway (adding letters just makes it more compicated. It's like music notes - it says me nothing about how it sounds - just give the frequency or frequency range in Hz instead says a lot more about how it sounds, haha) But I guess this is a big help for those who want to make music and haven't played around with an EQ, analysed frequency content of a lot of sounds (mostly non musical sounds and live recordings in my case) and even built signal generators and filters in electronics, for several years in advance.
thank you for the teaching, and while in the music excercise, much harder to heard which frequency coming out. also lower frequency of 63 and 125 is harder to notice which is which.
30Hz you feel in the floor - if you have the system to do it. You can also train your ear by listening to music while playing with the sliders on a decent non-parametric EQ.
I guessed all right except for 4.4 which I though was 4k, and 4.7 which left me confused I didn't know what I was hearing. After finding out 4.7 was 4k, I guess I am not used at associating the sound with the number. I also disagree that a subwoofer is needed to distinguish between 63 and 125hz. I think it's actually very easy with headphones. I'm using headphones and was always able to guess it correctly.
For me, I can MUCH easier tell the difference between individual SINGLE frequency tones, than with bandwidth limited white or pink noise, because the latter is a "motley" of multiple frequencies, so the boundaries of the frequency fundamental are very "fuzzy", so the overall sound is just "noise" to me, nothing in particular... And that variance gets even worse with actual music because then you have EVERYTHING coming at your ears all at once. I can pretty much ONLY identify frequencies if they are single, individual frequency, SINE waves. Also, I absolutely 100% HATE ALL so called "haptics", and for me, the whole idea of it is just stupid AND EXTREMELY annoying to me, that's why I totally turn off ALL vibration related to "haptics" or button presses, because it REALLY irritates me!... I can't stand the sensations constantly, it's totally distracting and overwhelming to being able to even focus on the main thing you're trying to do! But I have autism, so that might be why I'm majorly different, "opposite", or "weird" like that, LOL...
I like to turn down the intensity of the haptic feedback in settings. I like that little "thunk" when you type. But mostly I turn it down to save battery.
Surprisingly got everything correct through 1.1. to 3.4, but it got really hard when the music started. So at 4.1. I missed 5 out of 12 and had to cheat the first one. I have Yamaha HS5 and I'm guessing subwoofer is recommended for 63hz & 125hz? I don't have one yet.
That’s very good! Nice job. Keep practicing and I think you’ll do even better overtime. Subwoofer will help, but you can also practice without the Subwoofer and see significant results. That’s what I did for a long time.
For a horn player...Formant relating to the vowel sound is crucial understanding. This is how a trumpet player will match the shape of their throat for the frequency of the note they're trying to achieve. It is the formant of the frequency.
A low note on the trumpet is the aah sound. A high note on the trumpet is the ee sound.
If you're trying to play a high note on trumpet, that would be the "ee" formant. If your throat shapes for ee the high note will be easier to play and will sound better. If you're trying to play that high note and you have the shape (formant) of your throat for the "ooh" sound it will be hard to play the high note because the fomant of your throat doesn't match. For a low note on the trumpet they will shape the throat for the "ooh" sound.
They are not singing "ooh" through the trumpet. Just shaping the throat for it. When you get the shape of your throat matching the formant of the note you're trying to play, that's when the note jumps straight into better tone. The trumpet response is almost instant, easier to start. And the tone is rich and resonant because the shape of your throat (formant) matches the note you're trying to play.
So when you play trumpet from a low note up to a high note your throat should continually change from "who, boo, or poo" to "oh, bow, or Poe" to "ah, baa, or pa" to "a, bay, or pay" and finally to "he, bee or pee" for the highest notes. You don't _sing_ those words through the trumpet. You just shape your throat as if you were going to. And if your vocal chord is the correct matching tension for _singing_ the note you're trying to play. Then you are a professional.
That is the secret sauce.
The "in between" vowel sounds are called dipthongs. Midway between A and E is the diphthong AE. All of these sounds correspond to the notes of the instrument. Give some "throat" to your trumpet sound. It also applies to vocalists.
Wow! Thanks for sharing that perspective! Very interesting.
@@AudioUniversity
You're welcome. I enjoy your videos, thanks for making them!
Intriguing! I self-taught some trumpet in my youth, but never put those concepts together, nor were they ever taught in school music programs. I suppose that's one difference between group music programs and private instruction.
@@RickJohnson
I was giving away the secrets! When you make the ooh sound for the deeper notes, the tongue flattens out and makes a larger cavern which is perfect for the lower notes. When you make the e sound your tongue naturally raises upward and creates a more narrow air channel which is ideal for the high notes. 👍
Highly insightful comment!
Today I learned that my tinnitus is around 4 kHz.
In all seriousness, this method is really cool. Thanks for sharing!
I understand! Mine is between 2K and 4K. Kind of a wide “AE”.
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE wojak EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Mine’s way up in the 15k range, and is somewhere around A#.
I tested my hearing a few months ago due to some loss and tinnitus. I offered a guess at 2K and it was 2.1K
I haven't tried it yet but if it's related to congestion, a tea made from the creeping charlie in your lawn is supposed to help.
Fun! I guessed every single one easily; but I've never equated it to these mnemonics.
Good work for teaching a fundamental concept for the community! This will help many people!
Good tip! However, spotting those frequencies in pink noise is not the same as spotting them in the context of music. It's not a bad place to start, but I'd suggest training one's ears by taking a piece of music one enjoys listening to repeatedly and running it through a parametric EQ, setting a single mid band to medium to narrow Q, and boost 250 Hz by +6db, then gradually sweep up through the other frequencies you mention in the video, and pay attention to what aspects in the sound jump out at each frequency. Then do the same thing, but instead of boosting, use a -6db cut, and pay attention to what aspects of the sound get swallowed up each time at each frequency. Once you feel comfortable with that tune, try another in a different style, doing the same thing, and so on until you have a decent grasp on what you are listening for. You can make this exercise more effective if you have another person who can shift the frequencies without you seeing and asking you to tell them which frequency they boosted or cut. Good luck!
Did you watch the entire video?
@@Tony-yp7ok I must confess, I only made it about half the way through. Did I miss an epiphany?
@@N0B0DY_SP3C14L yes. The last 2 minutes or so was the quiz in a musical context. Much more apropos as you noted in your OP.
@@mark-stefaniwAh yes! Funky little jam for the testing tool.
For me, 500Hz always sticks out as the sound of skateboard wheels rolling on concrete
Nice!
And 1k as a vaccuum cleaner hehe
A seashell is what I hear. I hear it the most when I deal with drums with crappy rides or comb filtering.
oh my god, I initially thought that both the lower frequencies sounded like something rolling and now I have a reference for it, thanks!
500Hz, IMO sounds just like the background noise on an airplane.
As a signal analyst who tries hard to view (or to hear) the world as scale and frequency or what's alike to it, I found this very intriguiing. Thanks for your inspiring content!
Great guide, the way I learned when I was a teen was ringing a wedge slowly and identifying each of the feeding frequencies then filtering out in a 1/3 graphic, doing this over and over in different rooms and situations gave me the confidence to do it in live shows
Holy Moline!
I never paused long enough to notice this before.
Thnx for this as these absolutely Amazing Austrian Audio Hi-X15 headphones provide me with the first time ever demonstrating an open honest Smooth-as-Sade Silky 20Hz Sine. in an anechoic chamber, that smooth.
Easier to do with white noise than actual music. I can get within range by ear but to pick out the exact frequency is more difficult and more of an educated guess .
Exercise 1.1 EE
1.2 AH
1.3 O
1.4 OO
1.5 A
1.6 AH
1.7 OO
1.8 A
Depends very much on the speakers you use. Would be useful to train your ear on various speakers, from small near-field monitors to large room speakers. The room itself is also a big variable.
The cues are the same in any room on any system though and that’s why it’s so powerful!
Really fun stuff!
The first test really reminded me of traffic noise from a highway or similar - most car tires seem to have a resonant frequency around 1 kHz, which causes a significant peak there on the otherwise wide spectrum "friction noise" (especially at higher speeds). I'm very familar with most of those test's playing around with EQ on different sounds, so I hear the differences pretty well anyway (adding letters just makes it more compicated. It's like music notes - it says me nothing about how it sounds - just give the frequency or frequency range in Hz instead says a lot more about how it sounds, haha)
But I guess this is a big help for those who want to make music and haven't played around with an EQ, analysed frequency content of a lot of sounds (mostly non musical sounds and live recordings in my case) and even built signal generators and filters in electronics, for several years in advance.
thank you for the teaching, and while in the music excercise, much harder to heard which frequency coming out. also lower frequency of 63 and 125 is harder to notice which is which.
30Hz you feel in the floor - if you have the system to do it. You can also train your ear by listening to music while playing with the sliders on a decent non-parametric EQ.
Interesting approach!!
Your videos are always so clearly laid out and explained. I appreciate the thought you put into giving clear and concise explanations. Thank you!
I wish I have that deep voice as yours. Mine is very high pitched naturally. 🥺
Excellent pointer here. It's really helpful in pinpointing frequencies.
EE and S are irritating to me.
Learning so much from these videos, my mixes have improved greatly already 🙏🏾
Great to hear!
This is gonna be so useful thank you!
Glad to hear this!
Great tutorial, I’ll get back to practicing and I’ll also see how the low end haptics tip responds with a SUBPAC
Thanks for watching!
This makes sense because most audio equipment including speakes are tested at 1Khz because its in the middle of the speech band.
I guessed all right except for 4.4 which I though was 4k, and 4.7 which left me confused I didn't know what I was hearing. After finding out 4.7 was 4k, I guess I am not used at associating the sound with the number.
I also disagree that a subwoofer is needed to distinguish between 63 and 125hz. I think it's actually very easy with headphones. I'm using headphones and was always able to guess it correctly.
A subwoofer is definitely not needed. It's easier to feel it that way, but I sometimes get phantom sensations even in headphones!
For me, I can MUCH easier tell the difference between individual SINGLE frequency tones, than with bandwidth limited white or pink noise, because the latter is a "motley" of multiple frequencies, so the boundaries of the frequency fundamental are very "fuzzy", so the overall sound is just "noise" to me, nothing in particular... And that variance gets even worse with actual music because then you have EVERYTHING coming at your ears all at once. I can pretty much ONLY identify frequencies if they are single, individual frequency, SINE waves.
Also, I absolutely 100% HATE ALL so called "haptics", and for me, the whole idea of it is just stupid AND EXTREMELY annoying to me, that's why I totally turn off ALL vibration related to "haptics" or button presses, because it REALLY irritates me!... I can't stand the sensations constantly, it's totally distracting and overwhelming to being able to even focus on the main thing you're trying to do!
But I have autism, so that might be why I'm majorly different, "opposite", or "weird" like that, LOL...
I like to turn down the intensity of the haptic feedback in settings. I like that little "thunk" when you type. But mostly I turn it down to save battery.
This method isn't for everyone. But thanks for giving it a try!
4.11 was difficult!!
How to idrntify the exact frequncy causing feedback
Yes! This method works for tones too! Check out this video: ua-cam.com/video/YMLTPU6-QAg/v-deo.htmlsi=gS71oudvoM9qIeti
sing or whistle the feedback note into a digital tuner
RTA Tools easiest way.
Thanks this is awesome!
I’m glad you like it!
This is original content from the Jason Corey book and really should be credited as such.
Very helpful. You put out a lot of good information and your presentation is excellent.
Surprisingly got everything correct through 1.1. to 3.4, but it got really hard when the music started.
So at 4.1. I missed 5 out of 12 and had to cheat the first one.
I have Yamaha HS5 and I'm guessing subwoofer is recommended for 63hz & 125hz? I don't have one yet.
That’s very good! Nice job. Keep practicing and I think you’ll do even better overtime. Subwoofer will help, but you can also practice without the Subwoofer and see significant results. That’s what I did for a long time.
@@AudioUniversity Thanks👍
those should play down lower than 60hz for sure like to 45ish i’d guess
Wow, it really works, THANK YOU!
Glad it helped!
All sounds like white noise to me
Great video. Really really helpful. Thanks for posting.
Glad it was helpful!
I also hear 125 Hz as F through the teeth, and 63 Hz as FF around the teeth with the cheeks puffed.
WTF! Go see your dentist
Incredible, thank you so much for all your videos
This is brilliant stuff
That is really useful. Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching! Glad you found it useful.
Very nice! Interesting concept.
That is very helpful, thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
HOLY Frequency Batman. Thank yo so much .... I'll print this out and hang it over my Monitors
Can u recommend some software for capturing the audio and find out the feedback frequency and how much eq to solve the problem and how to use it
Any RTA app (Real-Time Analyzer) will help. But Smaart is the industry standard.
Helpful exercises! (Note spelling of "exercise".)
In my view: When do I need to find a freq? In case of feedback. Feedback is sine and not a bandpass random noise.
Good stuff Kyle,
I see you’ve installed some new acoustical panels
Can you tell you tell us more about why you chose those?
Working on a full video on it!
Thank you
Come for the audio engineering insights, stay for the linguistics.
Can u pls do a video on how to use smart app for identify feedback frequencies
It’s useful for identifying feedback, but not very useful for mixing.
VERY clever!
fantastic video!
Kind of abrasive like a "TS". Got it... 😉
Great video
Nice!
The video is going way too fast for someone to memorize each thing
Good thing it's a video that you can pause, replay, and skip around.
better than way too slow
Check out IPA for cross-cultural spellings.
Chi-Caaa-goh!
You should probably give your mentor a name in the videos. You say you get all your information from him, but never give him credit.
song??
Dat doesnt help at producing, but very interesting
it can yup
1:35 so rediculas none of those sound like vowels
This is real, 😊 true actual and factual! Study this a little bit longer and you might start to hear it.
ee ah oo o a ah o a
1:17 no
Yes.
The latin vowels go U-O-A-E-I and it really does work.
haha this is really serious
The vowels arent related to frequency. Each vowel can be at any frequency
wow masterclass level tutorial! 🫡🫡🫡
Glad you think so! Thanks!
Cheers.