Reportedly, after Kanos death, Judo briefly split into two groups, one emphasizing grappling and groundwork, the other emphasizing the throw. They later merged and focused on throwing.
@@markhatfield5621 Judo didn't split into two groups. Certain high-schools and universities still have tournaments based on the "kosen" (technical universities tournament) rules aka more emphasize on "ground grappling", and they had them since before WW1, by some sources since 1898.
Hate to be the devil's advocate, but I don't really see the point of this type of training: Sure the weapons are safe to train with...because they're supposed to simulate real deadly weapons. Obviously the video doesn't show the full picture of the art, but mate, they're literally eating sword and bat blows to the head, repeated thrusts to the torso and bullrushing forward as if nothing happened just in order to clinch and throw. Seriously? They're being taught to get killed or maimed. Why the hell are they even holding weapons if they're not even use them properly nor acknowledge the hazard they represent in real confrontations? Someone who may be more informed about this art please correct me if I'm wrong, but what I see in the video doesn't make sense.
"In 1926, Master Kano spoke during a radio broadcast upon the subject of, 'The Judo of Old and the Judo of the Future.' ... He remarked as follows: 'I think that there must be a method of randori and shiai that includes the atemi waza, provided that we devise it gradually and only after thorough investigation. That system, however, will not be as easy to formalize as ones in which the relative abilities of the competitors are decided by throwing (nage) or restraining (osae) an opponent.' It is clear from this remark that randori and shiai training that would include the atemi waza was contemplated by Master Kano" - Kenji Tomiki ~1960
I think you need to understand that "Mind Over Muscle" is the collected writings of Jigoro Kano Shihan OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. Kano was interested in incorporating a number of fighting methods such as stick fighting (Jo), Sword Fighting (Kendo), striking (Karate) into Judo but all these methodologies had to be weighed against the core principles of "Maximum Efficiency" and "Mutual Welfare and Benefit". Safety against injury was his primary concern and in the same process that leg locks were discarded from the core curriculum given medical knowledge and inability to recover from injury in late 1800s/early 1900s, so were these other fighting methods. Like leglocks they found some limited application within formal kata but I always think that Kano's primary test was essentially; "can we do this safely in Randori so that we can all go home tonight and to work tomorrow?". So a lot of "stuff" got tried or at least considered but then discarded in the early years.
Very interesting…. One of the problems was the Olympic sport aspect that came in and really focused the attention toward the one facet of Kano’s vision. I switched to bjj after years of judo because the training for competition focus was brutal on the body. Because of the freestyle element of bjj it’s safer for an older fellow. I also teach matriarchs in school from a judo core, but with the inclusion of striking and a emphasis on self defense. But the judo training is the core of the program, teaching them to fall properly and how respect your training partners. Peace Chadi!
Fantastic video. You provide a plethora of evidence that BJJ and Gracie JJ come from Judo. If one studies the history, principles and techniques of judo, there is no need to study any other martial arts. This is coming from a black belt practitioner of BJJ and Judo.
When I read *Mind Over Muscle*, and what I see in other accounts of Kano's life, is that Kano approached martial arts with a spirit of curiousity and an open mind. Modern Judo lacks this, and is in many ways an insular, elitist community that refuses to accept input from outside. BJJ proves that training with leg locks is safe and meaningfully contributes to newaza theory, but Judo will never consider it. Kano wanted to incorporate weapons and atemi waza, but these ideas died with him. Judo has built its ivory tower, and abstained from future contribution to martial art development
Chadi, you should totally start putting this together. I read Mind Over Muscle and I realized that Kano was trying to do something so much bigger than what he ended up doing. It's wild. He even foresaw people specializing in Ne Waza and what that would turn into. I don't know if he predicted the future or things like what happened to judo had always been happening. You do make a great point about Kendo though. We either forget that or never knew it. You do judo and have a following. You have the platform to start pushing full curriculum judo. The information is out here, just no one is really doing it.
This style with grappling and weapons reminds me of I think their called the dog brothers or something like that. It's grappling and weapons at the same time. And from what you say this form of Japanese fighting came first thank you I just can not believe how cool some of the extremely interesting things you have on your channel are it blows me away. Thank you for this excellent and extremely interesting and informative video please have a good evening 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊.
I've seen and participated in some Japanese jiu jitsu which while also being an unarmed grappling martial art, at times used batons, knives, swords, and even chains typically from the standpoint of defending against an armed attacker (or attackers) but it really was just judo with weapons. The only issue was the training methodology which was much more drill oriented and so the pressure was nothing like judo randori. It looks like in some of these kendo video clips they've solved this somewhat by padding the weapons and wearing simple armour which allows for more competitive attacking, defending, counter-attacking, and so on.
Dr. Jigoro Kano warned against a "contest overemphasis". Dr. Kano prescribed the Judo repetoire to be 3% kata, 17% shiai, and 80% randori. Dr. Jigoro Kano never said he wanted his Kodokan Judo entered into the Olympics despite the fact that he was on the Olympic Committee, Judo entered into the Olympics was done by others after the death of Dr. Jigoro Kano. Asian martial arts and the Olympics do not mix well.
There’s a video where a Japanese anime nerd challenges a Japanese sword fighter and when the nerd clashes swords with him, the swordsman completely slams the nerd onto the ground with a sweet judo throw
Was curious what the full name of the book is you reference in the video as I'd like to read it if I can get a copy. Do you know where possibly one might come by it as well??🤘
There is no problem with Judo being (vast) or as I would say extensive. You won't get a well rounded martial art when techniques and skills are left out. Indigenous masters of the arts from the past already new this.
Hey Chadi! Do you plan to get into long form content? Will be checking for you on Spotify later. If you are not, maybe you should be! You have a lot to offer! Hope you are able to monetize on everything you are doing on social media.
So Kano wanted a complete martial art, but all we got was grappling? 😔
Reportedly, after Kanos death, Judo briefly split into two groups, one emphasizing grappling and groundwork, the other emphasizing the throw. They later merged and focused on throwing.
Yes unfortunately. However it still lives, for example I tell my students I teach the ART of Judo not rhe sport.
@@markhatfield5621 Judo didn't split into two groups. Certain high-schools and universities still have tournaments based on the "kosen" (technical universities tournament) rules aka more emphasize on "ground grappling", and they had them since before WW1, by some sources since 1898.
@@maxpower8439 Interesting. Thank you.
@@markhatfield5621 Organisations/dojos split into groups not Judo.
"So how many various throws you want for self-defense ?"
Sensei Kano: "Yes".
Hate to be the devil's advocate, but I don't really see the point of this type of training:
Sure the weapons are safe to train with...because they're supposed to simulate real deadly weapons. Obviously the video doesn't show the full picture of the art, but mate, they're literally eating sword and bat blows to the head, repeated thrusts to the torso and bullrushing forward as if nothing happened just in order to clinch and throw.
Seriously? They're being taught to get killed or maimed. Why the hell are they even holding weapons if they're not even use them properly nor acknowledge the hazard they represent in real confrontations?
Someone who may be more informed about this art please correct me if I'm wrong, but what I see in the video doesn't make sense.
"In 1926, Master Kano spoke during a radio broadcast upon the subject of, 'The Judo of Old and the Judo of the Future.' ... He remarked as follows: 'I think that there must be a method of randori and shiai that includes the atemi waza, provided that we devise it gradually and only after thorough investigation. That system, however, will not be as easy to formalize as ones in which the relative abilities of the competitors are decided by throwing (nage) or restraining (osae) an opponent.' It is clear from this remark that randori and shiai training that would include the atemi waza was contemplated by Master Kano" - Kenji Tomiki ~1960
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I think you need to understand that "Mind Over Muscle" is the collected writings of Jigoro Kano Shihan OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. Kano was interested in incorporating a number of fighting methods such as stick fighting (Jo), Sword Fighting (Kendo), striking (Karate) into Judo but all these methodologies had to be weighed against the core principles of "Maximum Efficiency" and "Mutual Welfare and Benefit". Safety against injury was his primary concern and in the same process that leg locks were discarded from the core curriculum given medical knowledge and inability to recover from injury in late 1800s/early 1900s, so were these other fighting methods. Like leglocks they found some limited application within formal kata but I always think that Kano's primary test was essentially; "can we do this safely in Randori so that we can all go home tonight and to work tomorrow?". So a lot of "stuff" got tried or at least considered but then discarded in the early years.
Thank you for your excellent work.
I appreciate it
Chadi, I'm actually testing for my Shodan In Taiho Jutsu this summer.
Very interesting…. One of the problems was the Olympic sport aspect that came in and really focused the attention toward the one facet of Kano’s vision. I switched to bjj after years of judo because the training for competition focus was brutal on the body. Because of the freestyle element of bjj it’s safer for an older fellow.
I also teach matriarchs in school from a judo core, but with the inclusion of striking and a emphasis on self defense. But the judo training is the core of the program, teaching them to fall properly and how respect your training partners.
Peace Chadi!
Outstanding video documentary Chadi.🎉
Fantastic video. I was brainstorming something like this for a program at my gym. Of course Kano thought of it over 100 years ago lol
Fantastic video. You provide a plethora of evidence that BJJ and Gracie JJ come from Judo. If one studies the history, principles and techniques of judo, there is no need to study any other martial arts. This is coming from a black belt practitioner of BJJ and Judo.
Such a calm and peaceful voice. :D
When I read *Mind Over Muscle*, and what I see in other accounts of Kano's life, is that Kano approached martial arts with a spirit of curiousity and an open mind. Modern Judo lacks this, and is in many ways an insular, elitist community that refuses to accept input from outside. BJJ proves that training with leg locks is safe and meaningfully contributes to newaza theory, but Judo will never consider it. Kano wanted to incorporate weapons and atemi waza, but these ideas died with him. Judo has built its ivory tower, and abstained from future contribution to martial art development
Chadi, you should totally start putting this together. I read Mind Over Muscle and I realized that Kano was trying to do something so much bigger than what he ended up doing. It's wild. He even foresaw people specializing in Ne Waza and what that would turn into. I don't know if he predicted the future or things like what happened to judo had always been happening. You do make a great point about Kendo though. We either forget that or never knew it. You do judo and have a following. You have the platform to start pushing full curriculum judo. The information is out here, just no one is really doing it.
This style with grappling and weapons reminds me of I think their called the dog brothers or something like that. It's grappling and weapons at the same time. And from what you say this form of Japanese fighting came first thank you I just can not believe how cool some of the extremely interesting things you have on your channel are it blows me away. Thank you for this excellent and extremely interesting and informative video please have a good evening 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊.
Combat Sambo probably comes closest to what Kano had in mind
This is really cool, this would be the martial art I would do if I could. I do Brazilian jiu jitsu now but I want more. It’s too sport focused
I've seen and participated in some Japanese jiu jitsu which while also being an unarmed grappling martial art, at times used batons, knives, swords, and even chains typically from the standpoint of defending against an armed attacker (or attackers) but it really was just judo with weapons.
The only issue was the training methodology which was much more drill oriented and so the pressure was nothing like judo randori. It looks like in some of these kendo video clips they've solved this somewhat by padding the weapons and wearing simple armour which allows for more competitive attacking, defending, counter-attacking, and so on.
OMG WE GOT TO SEE FOOTAGE OF THE MAN CATCHER AND A JUDO THROW !1!!
Bro please tell me you watch ididathing and boyboy. The man catcher reference is amazing
where the clip 5:56 from?
Dr. Jigoro Kano warned against a "contest overemphasis". Dr. Kano prescribed the Judo repetoire to be 3% kata, 17% shiai, and 80% randori. Dr. Jigoro Kano never said he wanted his Kodokan Judo entered into the Olympics despite the fact that he was on the Olympic Committee, Judo entered into the Olympics was done by others after the death of Dr. Jigoro Kano. Asian martial arts and the Olympics do not mix well.
Martial arts in general!
pls research on Italian Ju-jitsu (Bianchi Method) its quite interesting!
Wasn't this project realized by Mochizuki sensei with Yoseikan Budo ?
Listening. Are all the writings of Kano Jigoro translated to english ( or spanish )?
Much is not unfortunately. And the Kodokan Library really has little wish to do so, even more unfortuntely.
Mifune rocks!
There’s a video where a Japanese anime nerd challenges a Japanese sword fighter and when the nerd clashes swords with him, the swordsman completely slams the nerd onto the ground with a sweet judo throw
Salut Chadi , est ce qu'il existe une version francaise de " mind over muscle " ?
L’essence du judo
Was curious what the full name of the book is you reference in the video as I'd like to read it if I can get a copy. Do you know where possibly one might come by it as well??🤘
Mind over muscle
@@Chadi can you do more cool book recommendations please
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There is no problem with Judo being (vast) or as I would say extensive. You won't get a well rounded martial art when techniques and skills are left out. Indigenous masters of the arts from the past already new this.
Hey Chadi! Do you plan to get into long form content? Will be checking for you on Spotify later. If you are not, maybe you should be! You have a lot to offer! Hope you are able to monetize on everything you are doing on social media.
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What is the name of the book?
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So, Dog Brothers?
ممتاز شادي
Вооот что надо ... : ua-cam.com/video/lvrEQspJCV8/v-deo.html .
Olympics killed judo. It would have been amazing...