The experiment is unethical now but a lot of people seem to be missing out on his point. The 'guards' weren't told to abuse their power and were even strictly told not to abuse the prisoners. This experiment shows that even the nicest person can do evil if the situation allows it. In his paper, "The banality of heroism", he talks about how even the supposed 'nice guards' (the ones who stood by without causing harm) were helping promote evil acts. If the 'nice guards' had stood up and said something, then things could have changed. People are so afraid of what the public might think, or if they would be shunned for doing something, losing their job...etc.. In Abu Ghraib prison, the same thing happened. The guards that didn't like all those torture and were uncomfortable with it still didn't say anything. Even if they didn't directly participate, they still promoted the torture because they didn't stand against it.
Ahri A we have to learn this experiment in psychology AS core studies. Apparently the experiment couldn’t be continued anymore because Zimbardo’s wife told him to stop after seeing the study was too un ethical. The hypothesis was that situational behavior could affect the behavior of the prisoners and the guards
Actually now it has been brought to light that - despite physical abuse was forbidden - Zimbardo did instruct the guards to be "tough" for the sake of the experiment.
You can stand against something without having to speak about it. That’s someone killing a person in public and because I choice safety, I’m promoting that person’s death; see that way of thinking doesn’t make sense. Unless you are actively participating, you are not responsible for the actions of others.
The most thought provoking aspect of this experiment is the possible conclusion that so called "evil" behaviour arises out of circumstance and environmental settings, and not necessarily due to personal traits or characteristics. This raises important questions regarding the prison system, the concept of rehabilitation, and the abuse of power by innately good people in scenarios that allow them to shun accountability for their actions. The ability of the prison setup and the power of the role as a prison guard to transform psychologically healthy individuals into brutish, vengeful puppeteers, and the ability of the same ecosystem to break down the psyche of the "prisoners" subjected to it, are shocking testimony to the sensitivity and fragility of the human mind. The human mind, is by nature, volatile and unstable. As this study shows, it takes little to condition the human mind to never before perceived limits of "acceptable" irrational behaviour, and to corrupt its sense of morality.
Yes, to some extent. Everyone may be subjected to conditioning, and to performing roles they are not naturally inclined to (just as everyone can play any role in a movie, although most will be pretty horrible actors). The fact that many behaviors and conducts are conditioned and powered by exterior factors, does not mean there are no internal personal traits that guide specific behaviors (which is actually something obvious). The problem I'm stressing is that many people (normally proponents of _equality_ and who believe pretty much everything is a _social construct_) ignore or miscalculate the actual internal characteristics of people. The problem with this experiment, and something which precisely reinforces the belief that the environment completely overrules personal traits, is that THE INDIVIDUALS, the subjects in the study, were not really _that_ normal (or _that_ "psychologically healthy individuals"). The mere interest in being a guinea pig in a psychological lab experiment about PRISONS already selects a quite narrow diversity of personalities. If experiments like this were allowed and actually performed on randomly selected individuals, there would be several different outcomes, with certain groups being more civilized, certain groups being more caring, certain groups being more pragmatic, and certain groups being extremely violent. And the evidence for that is simply observing how different people behave differently in more _savage_ or uncivilized scenarios in the real world. The problem is that, to observe this, you would have to frequent certain types of places in less developed countries, something that also would pose a certain personal risk to your own life, depending on the circumstances.
No, it's the banality of evil, as Hannah Arendt put it in her brilliant book. You just obey to orders for saving your own ass, even if you *know* it's not right... And I don't think there's an excuse for that really.
@@guachito33 Yes, we all do this to each other. But, Police offers have the authority to actually carry it out when little to no consequences for their behavior. That's the main difference. They can walk around with a gun and a badge and you are made to believe they have authority over you. If you don't do what they say they can arrest you or kill you. An average citizen can't do that to the police officer.
Marwa F it was believed only the Nazis could do these horrible atrocities. Turns out, if you isolate a group of people, make them feel superior, and tell them they must do whatever it takes to survive, they will do literally anything. In this case, isolated guards were given absolute power, told to do anything to prevent a prisoner escaping, and they did exactly that. The human mind is very manipulative.
slimjimmy haha he hasn't done anything? He has passed zero legislation and he has been the most petty, child like president to date. You must be one of those people that loves pissing off the left, rather than actually getting anything done. I was very hopeful that Trump would be the president that we need still have hope if not just desire, but he has been complete shit done nothing but act like a child throw fits. Ben Shapiros words, "he's either guilty (of the Russia collusion), or not guilty and really stupid"
I like how in the movie, the Zimbardo character seemed like even he didn't know why he was conducting this experiment. Everyone was questioning him, but he just came up with vague descriptions with no real idea of why he's doing this.
There's one fundamental characteristic that affects this experiment a little more than it's perceived by most people, which is the recruiting ad itself. "Male college students", and specially interested in "prison experiments", already filters MANY types of people out of the study group, and selects people with a personal bias towards _deviant_ subjects. It would be equivalent to having a call for volunteers for a psychological study on the gangsta ghetto life in the projects, or for a study on the lives of refugees, or prostitution in Thailand, etc. The recruiting method already selects certain types of people, those who are more drawn to violence, to risky behavior, to "perversion", as well as to anti-social behavior, since by the very nature of the social structure and the individuals within it, those who are more "normal" and well adjusted, already have more stable lifestyles and fixed priorities in life, and would not go about being subjects of psychological experiments, much less in these themes.
CzechRiot i agree with a lot of what you wrote. i think their age played a huge role in the result. You do this experiment with men over 30 and its a very different outcome.
The way you wrote your comment sounds like you wanted to see female students. Of course they are going to be only male. Theres a reason why the sexes are seperated. Male guards for male prisons. Femake guards for female prisons. If you want to see males and females in the same prison, then youre lacking comming sense, boy. And this experiment was more of a simulation. They wanted to see what would happen if you locked up college students as prisoners and also run a prison.
Add to that, Zimbardo allowed the study to continue after realising one of the "guards" was acting out a 'persona' of a movie character instead of maintaining the role of a 'guard', and that Zimbardo himself admits that he got too far into his character as the superintendent instead of remaining impartial and controlling the variables in his experiment. This is not in reality a model of prisoner/guard dynamics as much as 'captor/concentration camp or POW camp inmates'. These prisoners weren't imprisoned for pretend crimes, they were essentially kidnapped and tortured. Even Zimbardo's website compared the treatment of his "prisoners" to that of Nazi concentration camp inmates.
CzechRiot agree. a lot of these experiments, studies and research seem benign on the surface but are actually testing grounds for how to replicate its results in the field
I learned about this experiment in a psychology class I took in college. It's pretty scary stuff. I wonder how the students who were the guards ended up after the experiment was over? Did they have any amount of guilt for abusing the prisoners? I also wonder what would have happened if one of the guards chose not to mistreat the prisoners? Would the other guards have turned against him?
caitlinjane92 there were a few guards who didn’t abuse the prisoners but they didn’t stand up for the prisoners either and I think that was an important think to notice in the experiment because in real life people wouldn’t stand up they’d be worried about losing their job etc.
I don't believe they would. They would try to justify why they thought it was fine to hurt the prisoners from even just a tiny comment of criticism from their peers. Because humans function off of how they want others to see them as. It's a survival thing from way back in the days of one not getting kicked out of their tribe cuz they wouldn't be able to survive on their own. That's why the guards don't speak up against the others too cuz they are as human as the prisoners. Even the guard calling the shots. Power over others feels good cuz you're surviving and "untouchable". In the end... a person's morals are only a means to survival too for fear of being critisized or judged by our peers. We're all evil underneath.
But I try to ignore that and have faith in my morals overpowering the survival or powerhungery shit. This is mostly just me making notes on the comments and screenshoting them for later lol so I'm sorry if my comment doesn't make sense
One thing that stuck out to me is why I feel this was cruel because the guard weren't train guards and the prisoners weren't criminals..This was more like a slave study than a prison study..
Isn't some of this torture. Also, the way they became basically slaves to what they say is intriguing to me idk why I want to know why they end up like that
We are all slaves to some extent. We can consider we are all _spirits_ inhabiting a material organic body that we depend upon. It doesn't matter if there exists spirits or any sort of life beyond this one. What matter is that we can conceptualize things this way. And what happens is, everyone comes with pre-programmed ideas, rules of conduct, which are mostly regulated by pain and discomfort through the physical body. So people will behave in a way conditioned to whatever exterior factor that controls the well being of their bodies and their whole self. The whole idea behind the psychological control is how one person may guide the thought processes of another. Obedience is simply a conditioned behavior that aims to prevent present and future _pain/discomfort_ and enhance present and future _pleasure/happiness_.
Humans have always been prone to accepting roles. Go for example to the military. You may be a bit against some stuff for the first few days. But after a week you are essentially completely in the role. Command is command and you will do the command. It just becomes ingrained into you. For example I still only raise my left arm when signaling, even though I used my right arm the first 19 years of my life. All because in the military it was ingrained into me to use my left arm.
AlexanderMccarthey87 the students were treated worse than prisoners. The simulated prison was more like a simulated dictatorship. Prisons arent dictatorships because they are controlled by law.
I am a correctional officer and i found out about this experiment recently during training classes. one of the things the instructor pointed out was how this experiment actually helped reform prisons in a sense. Inmates were treated extremely unfairly and like they were animals which caused countless violent riots(I.E, New Mexico in 71). But now at least in my facility we get countless lectures on treating them like the humans they are and not falling into that abuse of power. When i talk to an inmate i make it a point to address them by their name(last names only as using first names could lead inmates to believe your trying to be there friend which brings in manipulation which is a whole other can of worms), yes i do still use caution when dealing with inmates(Keeping my hands where they wont be caught on anything in case i need to defend myself and keeping one hand near my tools like OC) but thats just the way it is when you are working in a prison, you sadly just cant trust these guys especially in a max security facility like mine. Prisons still have a long way to go yes, but they have gotten much better in the past couple decades with how inmates are treated. they get so many more privilages now, phonecalls, TV's, they can check out tablets to message their families and play games or watch movies on, they can buy real food and pop, ice cream, candy etc. Do they still have alot of their rights stripped away and get treated as some would say unfairly, yes, but thats how it is, your not in prison for singing in the choir, but the one thing we are always told as officers is we are not there to punish them, they are already in prison that is thier punishment.
People can be abusive when given unchecked power. The experiment went farther than i would have expected. I wonder if there was a bully and instigator that kept pushing the ones who wanted to be responsible deputies? I wonder what would have happened if the roles were reversed after five days? Would the former inmates, now new deputies been understanding or retaliatory?
CK wow, you truly made a strawman out of nothing there. nowhere did they say that it was a "global epidemic", idiot. read his comments, he specifically said "corrupted countries" not all countries. Guess you just wanted to win the argument that bad huh. Also you'd have to not be paying attention to know thailand really is like that, people are *murdered* just for doing drugs or smuggling them. Only recently has that changed.
chariots silverroad As a suicidal 16 year old boy who lives a *sheltered* life, look me in the eyes and tell me that having mental issues *conditioned* into your fucking mind is moral. I was born mentally unwell, but I got help and Im doing just fine. These normal healthy people were basically REAL prisoners and were ABUSED into being mindless obedient slaves. THINK OF THE LONG TERM CONSEQUENCES YOU TROLL.
carol pinzón if we don't get educated by then, then yeah I will suffer the consequences of a person who becomes too authoritarian because he blindly follows orders. This is the video for, educating ourselves to always speak up about wrong perpetrated by ourselves and others
No one held the guards accountable for any humiliating, abusive, degradation, coercive and even communal pressure tactics to get the prisoners to do what they wanted. There weren't any ethical constraints governing the guards' actions. Any prisoners rights were thrown out the window and made up to fit some sadistic torturous mind game. Zimbardo himself encouraged it, and if there were any guards who opposed they had obviously manipulated them into silence for the sake of the experiment. This just shows how those in authority may lead those in power over others astray into thinking harming people is somehow morally justified.
What would have really been interesting if they recruited these same members and switched their roles. I'm curious as to whether the past prisoners would feel empathy for the guards or act even harsher since they were the ones who abused them in the past. Maybe the prisoners could be the guards with a new set of people, then their resentment would not be directed towards the prisoners, so either their experience could lead them to treat them bad or feel empathy and treat them better.
This lasted only 5 days. Try US Marine Corps boot camp for 3 months. Drill instructors have literally gone to jail for abusing recruits and some recruits have committed suicide.
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Of course it is. Local prisons have way more regulations. Guards are trained to not do that. Guards have supervisors all the time to prevent most of the shit, etc. In this whole thing many things play together. 1. Guards know all of the prisoners because there are so few prisoners. 2. There are basically as many guards as there are prisoners. 3. It is a group mentality, most likely some of the guards simply oriented themselves on what the others did. 4. Nobody stopped them basically. In Local prisons guards always change between where they work for that day. They have people who supervise the guards. They have outside people who look at how they treat the prisoners. All of that stuff.
So many people in the comments calling this Zimbardo "unethical" or saying "he should've put his own children in there". For the record no one after the experiment had any lasting psychological trauma or effects so quit guessing. Secondly they all were there voluntarily and did not have any orders what so ever. All 18 of them were given no order for violence, in fact it was the complete opposite. The guards were to use means necessary to negate uprisings except for physical violence. Every single person in the experiment had freedom of choice and was in control of themselves. It was up to them how they spent the 2 weeks, and if you're gonna blame anyone for the evilness behind the experiment, blame the kids themselves. Zimbardo had no idea this was going to result. And at the very least, appreciate the science we learned behind human nature. I'd like to see it happen again honestly. Would be interesting to see if the experiment was a fluke, or maybe it would happen the same way again.
ASCA League brainwashed, aren’t you ? Maybe you should have a look into the archives relating to the experiment, before, during and after? It would be interesting to know your reactions then
But, that's why people see it as unethical. Because other than just the standards laid down to them they didn't really know what to expect of each other or from themselves. Neither the guards or inmates didn't have a thorough example of conduct to follow. Just a few textbook rules and procedures. There were no real guide lines from day to day. That's why the experiment was over their heads.
There are so many of these kinds of things that are done in the past for the notion of science and advancement...but this is all in the past....what we should focus on now is not to risk the daily life humans have without their consent and to increase our knowledge in some other way
But then, if the test were to recreate the conditions of a real prison, then why not simply study prisons? OK, these were all apparently 'normal' individuals with no criminal history. Perhaps the interesting thing is how little guidance they were given, so that in a sense they are there all in there making up the roles the think they should be playing. Some of the 'guards' commented afterwards that they went further in their sadism in order to see how far they would be allowed to go - and if they were not reprimanded, then they assumed they were doing the 'right' thing (i.e. what they were expected to do.) So perhaps a lesson to be drawn (if any) is that people act out in order to discover rules, or be provided with limits. Which is quite a different conclusion from 'we are all potential sadists given the opportunity.'
This Study has been used to form and structure Workplaces and Industrial relations policy. Modern day slavery is shackled and chained by unreasonable workplace policies. UNIFORM standards etc.
Not sure if this guy sent his family members into that prison. It is horrifying and in the name of experiment, he destroyed the lives of young people. He mst be burning in hell if there is one.
2020 here. Doing this for an assignment for school, and it just goes to show how 'evil' we really are. In a morbid way, it's a thrill to get away with it.
All this proves is God is right. We are born with a sinful, depraved nature and we need Christ. Put in the right situation and the worst is revealed unless you are surrendered to God and seek His strength to overcome. Watch the Hiding Place about the Corrie TenBoom family who helped Jews during WW2 .
People seem to be angry with the doctor and the students who played the guards. It was a simply mental trick referred to as the Hawthorne effect. People, when they are aware of being observed, act the way they feel is appropriate. If you observe certain depressed people, many will subconsciously begin to act not depressed. They simply lose themselves in a sense. I’m not by any means saying that is was appropriate or that it should have happened, but everything has a reason.
We are still subjecting farmed animals to such torment that their teeth, tails, part of beaks need to be removed to prevent them from harming each others due to sheer stress. While the guards/ factory farm workers have been known to abuse these helpless imprisoned animals in footages secretly taken.
instead of letting them free and shutting the whole thing done he should of switched the roles and made the prisoners be guards and the guards be prisoners.... wow I wonder how the reaction!! the bullied gets to be the bully’s ! it would be fair at least .
CzechRiot what the fuck. Do you really think you saved anyone. 80%of all the money doesn't go to Any africans. I remember in school we had to save money for african children so they could go to school. And we could See what they had done with the money. The school had saved about $50 000. And a few months later a teacher came to us and said there was only enough for a few books. Don't trust that shit
Why did the "prisoners" not rebel? They know it's not a real prison, they wouldn't have gotten beaten. If I was a prisoner there, I'd not follow orders, fight with guards and have fun.
The Holy Quran says, man if following his own whims and desires, becomes worse than an animal. And if he submits his will to the will of God and obeys His commandments, has the potential to become better than angels...for angels submit to God without free will. Never realized I would actually see such an accurate real-life example of that point!
its interesting unintelligent people never question always obey they are by nature human drones ...never quite got the thought process that totally dehumanizes decision making ..powerful stuff human need compliancy
Oscar Molina ...but Boot Camp is arguably therapeutic in nature. You're getting abused...for the purpose of making you a BETTER SOLDIER. So that there's less chance of you dying, or being a liability that gets others killed. Even "weeding out non-hackers" is done for this purpose: letting a non-hacker through would likely get him or somebody else killed in a combat situation. So Sarge is being a stern disciplinarian for a reason, not just to punish. And in the case of Marine boot camp, the recruits SELF-SELECT because they DESIRE to be tested to such an extreme. I'd argue that makes it a different dynamic.
In military boot camp people aren’t deprived of beds or forced to dry hump each other or humiliated to the extent these boys were I’m not saying boot camp is easy I’m just saying it’s like comparing apples to oranges
I’m glad he did it. It is shocking and sick but we have learnt a lot and it’s has shown us a lot. The film really does imitate what happened and the clips shown here are just awful but without them we wouldn’t be able to comprehend or believe such things. It’s crazy, the events that took place, which is why the experiment was necessary. Honestly, if I could I would conduct another in the 21st century to monitor the difference of age and generation. How does the experiment differ when using people who have grown up with violence and rap music ect ect... of course however, I would better prepare them for the possible outcomes and educate them on the previous experiment. I mean when we think about it the possibilities are limitless.imagine paying 5 very willing volunteers to sit in a pitch black sound proof room for 2 days where all they could hear when not talking was silence. Yes it seems simple and boring but so did this experiment and look what happened in just over a day ...
You know all though this experiment was a tad bit fucked up. I still find it as very fascinating and actually as stupid as it may sound. A good experience for both parties. And in psychology you have to get like this sometimes to find out the real way the brain works when put into different situations. Overall. I must say. I'm not happy it happened, but I am not mad or disgraceful over the experiment.
The study was voluntary, no one was forced to participate. Using humans as "lab rats" progressed science in multiple fields. While considered highly unethical today, studies on humans were highly utilized in the late 90's.
People still make experiments like this in current times, they just don't call it experiments, and try not to make it public. South American, African and Asian countries are vast experiment labs to many subjects.
Phil Robertson well this is literally happening in some countries specially in asia. When med doctors have invented something to cure diseases they will immediately send it to 3rd world countries like Philippines and use citizens as human experiments Just like the dengue vaccine they offer in public schools. They made humans as experiments, people are just too cruel
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we haven't done shit like this you db fuck only country's that should be developed as hell have done this kind of shit Russia,china,Usa and other countries as well but don't said that every country in the world has done experiments cuz we don't even fuck with that cuz my country is a shit hole and we don't need this shit lol so stfp with that
That's a really ignorant comment. When it comes down to it, it is based on obedience and authority. It has zero to do with the USA, something like this can happen anywhere. It seems to be something humans repeat regardless of location.
This "experiment" is severely flawed. Check out: Stuff You Should Know podcast. They guy who "broke down" needed to get out because he had to take the GRE in 2 weeks and they didn't let him have his study materials. Zimbardo's "research" appears to be unorthodox which makes his conclusions laughable.
It's weird how the movie got the experiment so accurate.
I think Dr. Zambardo helped with the movie and it was based off of the original footage available to the public
The experiment is unethical now but a lot of people seem to be missing out on his point. The 'guards' weren't told to abuse their power and were even strictly told not to abuse the prisoners. This experiment shows that even the nicest person can do evil if the situation allows it. In his paper, "The banality of heroism", he talks about how even the supposed 'nice guards' (the ones who stood by without causing harm) were helping promote evil acts. If the 'nice guards' had stood up and said something, then things could have changed. People are so afraid of what the public might think, or if they would be shunned for doing something, losing their job...etc..
In Abu Ghraib prison, the same thing happened. The guards that didn't like all those torture and were uncomfortable with it still didn't say anything. Even if they didn't directly participate, they still promoted the torture because they didn't stand against it.
Ahri A Everything you just said i read about in my AP Psych book
Ahri A we have to learn this experiment in psychology AS core studies. Apparently the experiment couldn’t be continued anymore because Zimbardo’s wife told him to stop after seeing the study was too un ethical. The hypothesis was that situational behavior could affect the behavior of the prisoners and the guards
Actually now it has been brought to light that - despite physical abuse was forbidden - Zimbardo did instruct the guards to be "tough" for the sake of the experiment.
You can stand against something without having to speak about it. That’s someone killing a person in public and because I choice safety, I’m promoting that person’s death; see that way of thinking doesn’t make sense. Unless you are actively participating, you are not responsible for the actions of others.
It's soooo scary what we ALL are capable of when in power to abuse that power..
The most thought provoking aspect of this experiment is the possible conclusion that so called "evil" behaviour arises out of circumstance and environmental settings, and not necessarily due to personal traits or characteristics. This raises important questions regarding the prison system, the concept of rehabilitation, and the abuse of power by innately good people in scenarios that allow them to shun accountability for their actions. The ability of the prison setup and the power of the role as a prison guard to transform psychologically healthy individuals into brutish, vengeful puppeteers, and the ability of the same ecosystem to break down the psyche of the "prisoners" subjected to it, are shocking testimony to the sensitivity and fragility of the human mind. The human mind, is by nature, volatile and unstable. As this study shows, it takes little to condition the human mind to never before perceived limits of "acceptable" irrational behaviour, and to corrupt its sense of morality.
Yes, to some extent. Everyone may be subjected to conditioning, and to performing roles they are not naturally inclined to (just as everyone can play any role in a movie, although most will be pretty horrible actors). The fact that many behaviors and conducts are conditioned and powered by exterior factors, does not mean there are no internal personal traits that guide specific behaviors (which is actually something obvious). The problem I'm stressing is that many people (normally proponents of _equality_ and who believe pretty much everything is a _social construct_) ignore or miscalculate the actual internal characteristics of people. The problem with this experiment, and something which precisely reinforces the belief that the environment completely overrules personal traits, is that THE INDIVIDUALS, the subjects in the study, were not really _that_ normal (or _that_ "psychologically healthy individuals"). The mere interest in being a guinea pig in a psychological lab experiment about PRISONS already selects a quite narrow diversity of personalities. If experiments like this were allowed and actually performed on randomly selected individuals, there would be several different outcomes, with certain groups being more civilized, certain groups being more caring, certain groups being more pragmatic, and certain groups being extremely violent. And the evidence for that is simply observing how different people behave differently in more _savage_ or uncivilized scenarios in the real world. The problem is that, to observe this, you would have to frequent certain types of places in less developed countries, something that also would pose a certain personal risk to your own life, depending on the circumstances.
You must be: a) a scholar b) a Joseph Conrad reader c) "arises out of" is an Edward Said reference. So you must favor literature.
ROHITH UNNIKRISHNAN 13BEC0394 yea it all depends on the situation
No, it's the banality of evil, as Hannah Arendt put it in her brilliant book. You just obey to orders for saving your own ass, even if you *know* it's not right... And I don't think there's an excuse for that really.
homie wrote a whole thesis
There is a direct parallel with why SOME police behave the way they do!!!
James Emery not some POLICE , but all humans ... we all do this shit
@@guachito33 Yes, we all do this to each other. But, Police offers have the authority to actually carry it out when little to no consequences for their behavior. That's the main difference. They can walk around with a gun and a badge and you are made to believe they have authority over you. If you don't do what they say they can arrest you or kill you. An average citizen can't do that to the police officer.
Any job with uniforms or position of authority.. doesn't even have to be in a job setting.
@@LSMH528Hz what are you saying
@god Was jacked up on uppers and downers after stealing from a store
Would be interesting to interview some of the prisoners and guards today..
Scary to think that humans have this dark side
Marwa F just watch what happens when you give people power. quick to abuse the privelage. it's very interesting.
So, Trump? Oh boy..here we go!
Marwa F it was believed only the Nazis could do these horrible atrocities. Turns out, if you isolate a group of people, make them feel superior, and tell them they must do whatever it takes to survive, they will do literally anything. In this case, isolated guards were given absolute power, told to do anything to prevent a prisoner escaping, and they did exactly that. The human mind is very manipulative.
Not everyone is the same, I know I could never. I've been put in situations worst than this, and still have done the proper thing
slimjimmy haha he hasn't done anything? He has passed zero legislation and he has been the most petty, child like president to date. You must be one of those people that loves pissing off the left, rather than actually getting anything done. I was very hopeful that Trump would be the president that we need still have hope if not just desire, but he has been complete shit done nothing but act like a child throw fits. Ben Shapiros words, "he's either guilty (of the Russia collusion), or not guilty and really stupid"
I like how in the movie, the Zimbardo character seemed like even he didn't know why he was conducting this experiment. Everyone was questioning him, but he just came up with vague descriptions with no real idea of why he's doing this.
Questhero101 and yet nobody rebelled against his lack of knowledge that he portrayed as a character...
I would of been good, if after the two weeks they switched the roles
1. Experiment was stopped after 6 days
2. No it wouldn't. This would simply stop being a psychological experiment and become a revenge fantasy.
no it wouldn't have
It's obvious it'll be more terrifying with more violence, cuz it'll be driven by revenge and hatred, unlike this one, so it'll lead to the worst
There's one fundamental characteristic that affects this experiment a little more than it's perceived by most people, which is the recruiting ad itself. "Male college students", and specially interested in "prison experiments", already filters MANY types of people out of the study group, and selects people with a personal bias towards _deviant_ subjects. It would be equivalent to having a call for volunteers for a psychological study on the gangsta ghetto life in the projects, or for a study on the lives of refugees, or prostitution in Thailand, etc. The recruiting method already selects certain types of people, those who are more drawn to violence, to risky behavior, to "perversion", as well as to anti-social behavior, since by the very nature of the social structure and the individuals within it, those who are more "normal" and well adjusted, already have more stable lifestyles and fixed priorities in life, and would not go about being subjects of psychological experiments, much less in these themes.
CzechRiot i agree with a lot of what you wrote. i think their age played a huge role in the result. You do this experiment with men over 30 and its a very different outcome.
The way you wrote your comment sounds like you wanted to see female students.
Of course they are going to be only male. Theres a reason why the sexes are seperated. Male guards for male prisons. Femake guards for female prisons. If you want to see males and females in the same prison, then youre lacking comming sense, boy.
And this experiment was more of a simulation. They wanted to see what would happen if you locked up college students as prisoners and also run a prison.
Add to that, Zimbardo allowed the study to continue after realising one of the "guards" was acting out a 'persona' of a movie character instead of maintaining the role of a 'guard', and that Zimbardo himself admits that he got too far into his character as the superintendent instead of remaining impartial and controlling the variables in his experiment. This is not in reality a model of prisoner/guard dynamics as much as 'captor/concentration camp or POW camp inmates'.
These prisoners weren't imprisoned for pretend crimes, they were essentially kidnapped and tortured. Even Zimbardo's website compared the treatment of his "prisoners" to that of Nazi concentration camp inmates.
Czech riot there was a psych test at the beginning to determine that these men were normal and not particularly violet etc.
CzechRiot agree. a lot of these experiments, studies and research seem benign on the surface but are actually testing grounds for how to replicate its results in the field
In Italy we called this "effetto Lucifero", "Lucifer effect"... (I loved the film of 2014 with Ezra Miller)
its a book of his
Enduring value to teach those in authority not to abuse power. Right,that's worked tremendously!
Result: Don't take real shit too far.
Respect to the Prisoners. Hero shit right there. Give em at least a medal.
Peace
I learned about this experiment in a psychology class I took in college. It's pretty scary stuff. I wonder how the students who were the guards ended up after the experiment was over? Did they have any amount of guilt for abusing the prisoners? I also wonder what would have happened if one of the guards chose not to mistreat the prisoners? Would the other guards have turned against him?
caitlinjane92 there were a few guards who didn’t abuse the prisoners but they didn’t stand up for the prisoners either and I think that was an important think to notice in the experiment because in real life people wouldn’t stand up they’d be worried about losing their job etc.
I don't believe they would. They would try to justify why they thought it was fine to hurt the prisoners from even just a tiny comment of criticism from their peers. Because humans function off of how they want others to see them as. It's a survival thing from way back in the days of one not getting kicked out of their tribe cuz they wouldn't be able to survive on their own. That's why the guards don't speak up against the others too cuz they are as human as the prisoners. Even the guard calling the shots. Power over others feels good cuz you're surviving and "untouchable". In the end... a person's morals are only a means to survival too for fear of being critisized or judged by our peers. We're all evil underneath.
But I try to ignore that and have faith in my morals overpowering the survival or powerhungery shit. This is mostly just me making notes on the comments and screenshoting them for later lol so I'm sorry if my comment doesn't make sense
One thing that stuck out to me is why I feel this was cruel because the guard weren't train guards and the prisoners weren't criminals..This was more like a slave study than a prison study..
Isn't some of this torture. Also, the way they became basically slaves to what they say is intriguing to me idk why I want to know why they end up like that
That's why they had to cut it short
Thats why experiments are now heavily regulated by the government
We are all slaves to some extent. We can consider we are all _spirits_ inhabiting a material organic body that we depend upon. It doesn't matter if there exists spirits or any sort of life beyond this one. What matter is that we can conceptualize things this way. And what happens is, everyone comes with pre-programmed ideas, rules of conduct, which are mostly regulated by pain and discomfort through the physical body. So people will behave in a way conditioned to whatever exterior factor that controls the well being of their bodies and their whole self. The whole idea behind the psychological control is how one person may guide the thought processes of another. Obedience is simply a conditioned behavior that aims to prevent present and future _pain/discomfort_ and enhance present and future _pleasure/happiness_.
to some extent? try again..
Humans have always been prone to accepting roles.
Go for example to the military. You may be a bit against some stuff for the first few days. But after a week you are essentially completely in the role. Command is command and you will do the command. It just becomes ingrained into you.
For example I still only raise my left arm when signaling, even though I used my right arm the first 19 years of my life. All because in the military it was ingrained into me to use my left arm.
The main reason for all the breakdowns was the John Wayne guy, which isn't really explained in this doc
Look at our prisons. We haven't learned anything.
AlexanderMccarthey87 the students were treated worse than prisoners. The simulated prison was more like a simulated dictatorship. Prisons arent dictatorships because they are controlled by law.
I am a correctional officer and i found out about this experiment recently during training classes. one of the things the instructor pointed out was how this experiment actually helped reform prisons in a sense. Inmates were treated extremely unfairly and like they were animals which caused countless violent riots(I.E, New Mexico in 71). But now at least in my facility we get countless lectures on treating them like the humans they are and not falling into that abuse of power. When i talk to an inmate i make it a point to address them by their name(last names only as using first names could lead inmates to believe your trying to be there friend which brings in manipulation which is a whole other can of worms), yes i do still use caution when dealing with inmates(Keeping my hands where they wont be caught on anything in case i need to defend myself and keeping one hand near my tools like OC) but thats just the way it is when you are working in a prison, you sadly just cant trust these guys especially in a max security facility like mine. Prisons still have a long way to go yes, but they have gotten much better in the past couple decades with how inmates are treated. they get so many more privilages now, phonecalls, TV's, they can check out tablets to message their families and play games or watch movies on, they can buy real food and pop, ice cream, candy etc. Do they still have alot of their rights stripped away and get treated as some would say unfairly, yes, but thats how it is, your not in prison for singing in the choir, but the one thing we are always told as officers is we are not there to punish them, they are already in prison that is thier punishment.
@@dylancunnignhamit just sucks there are so many prisoners. We never take laws away just add and add.
People can be abusive when given unchecked power. The experiment went farther than i would have expected.
I wonder if there was a bully and instigator that kept pushing the ones who wanted to be responsible deputies?
I wonder what would have happened if the roles were reversed after five days? Would the former inmates, now new deputies been understanding or retaliatory?
Sadly, this seems to be happening in a larger scale in Australia, New Zealand, and soon to be Austria and Germany.
Imagine being in a real prison, an america incarcerates more people than any other country.
+Infiniti yes that is really what happens all over the world (sarcasm)
So it happens in one country. That is not all over the world.
Oh so have 2 countries who you allege do this (no evidence sited). Not exactly the global epidemic you claim.
Many prisons in America do actually have a better life quality than many free places in certain parts of the world...
CK wow, you truly made a strawman out of nothing there. nowhere did they say that it was a "global epidemic", idiot. read his comments, he specifically said "corrupted countries" not all countries. Guess you just wanted to win the argument that bad huh. Also you'd have to not be paying attention to know thailand really is like that, people are *murdered* just for doing drugs or smuggling them. Only recently has that changed.
It really reminds me of my fraternity days
This is morally and ethically wrong on many levels.
chariots silverroad As a suicidal 16 year old boy who lives a *sheltered* life, look me in the eyes and tell me that having mental issues *conditioned* into your fucking mind is moral. I was born mentally unwell, but I got help and Im doing just fine. These normal healthy people were basically REAL prisoners and were ABUSED into being mindless obedient slaves. THINK OF THE LONG TERM CONSEQUENCES YOU TROLL.
Jane they cant do this anymore. its against the guidelines and some laws
No, it's not. It's showing us our true colours.
Next time you can be the prisoner Liv, or your kids so we can understand more about this interesting topic.
carol pinzón if we don't get educated by then, then yeah I will suffer the consequences of a person who becomes too authoritarian because he blindly follows orders.
This is the video for, educating ourselves to always speak up about wrong perpetrated by ourselves and others
No one held the guards accountable for any humiliating, abusive, degradation, coercive and even communal pressure tactics to get the prisoners to do what they wanted. There weren't any ethical constraints governing the guards' actions. Any prisoners rights were thrown out the window and made up to fit some sadistic torturous mind game. Zimbardo himself encouraged it, and if there were any guards who opposed they had obviously manipulated them into silence for the sake of the experiment. This just shows how those in authority may lead those in power over others astray into thinking harming people is somehow morally justified.
G Reeder do you think you can give me a summary about this video ??
Please
How the prisoners were objecting to the point of mental breakdown.
Yikes, I didn't know about the arrests and real police cars... scary that the authorities would be willing to help in this experiments.
College’s probably paid the department a ton of money.
Just watched this movie.....the guy is a freaking psycho!!!!!
Brooke Beyer No duh its a movie
No he's not. He's showing us our human condition and how *coward* we really are.
The movie is a dramatization of the real events
If the movie is so convincing, imagine in real life
I can't even imagine how the prisoners at Abu Ghraib felt, or how the Guatanamo ones are feeling now. Even in your average US prison.
What would have really been interesting if they recruited these same members and switched their roles. I'm curious as to whether the past prisoners would feel empathy for the guards or act even harsher since they were the ones who abused them in the past.
Maybe the prisoners could be the guards with a new set of people, then their resentment would not be directed towards the prisoners, so either their experience could lead them to treat them bad or feel empathy and treat them better.
HI GUYS do you think you can please give me a summary about this video ??
Watch out Clockwork Orange, he happen to face what he did to others
This lasted only 5 days. Try US Marine Corps boot camp for 3 months. Drill instructors have literally gone to jail for abusing recruits and some recruits have committed suicide.
hahahahahah try being a child soldier
most of us die
@@deusmortis9751 ok psycho.
@@peyote2thumbs ok groomer
I was thinking how similar this seemed to it. And that’s about the age recruits go in too
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Fucking crazy Philip Zimbardo!!
Scary when you are the person they study the most. It's a dangerous position to be right when your government is completely wrong!!
Would be really interesting to try the same experiment in different country and then different societies
I'm amazed they fell apart so fast.
This is worse than most local prisons
Of course it is. Local prisons have way more regulations. Guards are trained to not do that. Guards have supervisors all the time to prevent most of the shit, etc.
In this whole thing many things play together. 1. Guards know all of the prisoners because there are so few prisoners. 2. There are basically as many guards as there are prisoners. 3. It is a group mentality, most likely some of the guards simply oriented themselves on what the others did. 4. Nobody stopped them basically.
In Local prisons guards always change between where they work for that day. They have people who supervise the guards. They have outside people who look at how they treat the prisoners. All of that stuff.
Stopped after 6 days not 5 days.
So many people in the comments calling this Zimbardo "unethical" or saying "he should've put his own children in there". For the record no one after the experiment had any lasting psychological trauma or effects so quit guessing. Secondly they all were there voluntarily and did not have any orders what so ever. All 18 of them were given no order for violence, in fact it was the complete opposite. The guards were to use means necessary to negate uprisings except for physical violence. Every single person in the experiment had freedom of choice and was in control of themselves. It was up to them how they spent the 2 weeks, and if you're gonna blame anyone for the evilness behind the experiment, blame the kids themselves. Zimbardo had no idea this was going to result.
And at the very least, appreciate the science we learned behind human nature. I'd like to see it happen again honestly. Would be interesting to see if the experiment was a fluke, or maybe it would happen the same way again.
ASCA League FREAKING THANK YOU!!!!
ASCA League You should volunteer
There was 24 people not 18
ASCA League brainwashed, aren’t you ? Maybe you should have a look into the archives relating to the experiment, before, during and after? It would be interesting to know your reactions then
But, that's why people see it as unethical. Because other than just the standards laid down to them they didn't really know what to expect of each other or from themselves. Neither the guards or inmates didn't have a thorough example of conduct to follow. Just a few textbook rules and procedures. There were no real guide lines from day to day. That's why the experiment was over their heads.
Stuff like this still takes place...so sad
There are so many of these kinds of things that are done in the past for the notion of science and advancement...but this is all in the past....what we should focus on now is not to risk the daily life humans have without their consent and to increase our knowledge in some other way
This experiment was doomed from the start with some major flaws
The test results are bunk because real prison gaurd have rules they have to follow. Prisoners have rights and laws don't change overnight.
But then, if the test were to recreate the conditions of a real prison, then why not simply study prisons? OK, these were all apparently 'normal' individuals with no criminal history. Perhaps the interesting thing is how little guidance they were given, so that in a sense they are there all in there making up the roles the think they should be playing. Some of the 'guards' commented afterwards that they went further in their sadism in order to see how far they would be allowed to go - and if they were not reprimanded, then they assumed they were doing the 'right' thing (i.e. what they were expected to do.) So perhaps a lesson to be drawn (if any) is that people act out in order to discover rules, or be provided with limits. Which is quite a different conclusion from 'we are all potential sadists given the opportunity.'
@@vicalieg interesting
did they help the "prisoners" recover from this experiments? or did they just send them home without taking care of their mental health..
This Study has been used to form and structure Workplaces and Industrial relations policy. Modern day slavery is shackled and chained by unreasonable workplace policies. UNIFORM standards etc.
Not sure if this guy sent his family members into that prison. It is horrifying and in the name of experiment, he destroyed the lives of young people. He mst be burning in hell if there is one.
Couldn’t they sue? Or no because they filled out forms of consent? Since they were physically abusive? And that wasn’t in writing?
2020 here. Doing this for an assignment for school, and it just goes to show how 'evil' we really are. In a morbid way, it's a thrill to get away with it.
This is mild compared to other experiments that have been conducted through the history
They should do more of this today.
All this proves is God is right. We are born with a sinful, depraved nature and we need Christ. Put in the right situation and the worst is revealed unless you are surrendered to God and seek His strength to overcome. Watch the Hiding Place about the Corrie TenBoom family who helped Jews during WW2 .
"I'm glad I did it"
WHAT THE FUCK MAN
When the anti fascists all of a sudden become the fascists ...
Damn.....just when I thought Lord Of The Flies was pretty messed up....
People seem to be angry with the doctor and the students who played the guards. It was a simply mental trick referred to as the Hawthorne effect. People, when they are aware of being observed, act the way they feel is appropriate. If you observe certain depressed people, many will subconsciously begin to act not depressed. They simply lose themselves in a sense. I’m not by any means saying that is was appropriate or that it should have happened, but everything has a reason.
We may all be human... but we're still animals.
this still gets me mad .
Me too ya it's been awful
Bonjour,
Pourriez-vous remettre les sous-titres en français s'il-vous-plait? :-)
Aronkar1 désolé non
Where i can watch the full movie of this? Send link please 😁
it would be all good until someone puts their hands on me they would learn real quick there uniforms do not make them superior to me
Samuel Winn you'd like too think that but I would be you wouldn't do a thing
Samuel Winn who the fuck is this guy
They have night sticks u don’t you’d lose
*Meming Intensifies*
We are still subjecting farmed animals to such torment that their teeth, tails, part of beaks need to be removed to prevent them from harming each others due to sheer stress. While the guards/ factory farm workers have been known to abuse these helpless imprisoned animals in footages secretly taken.
Didn`t a college experiment similar to this happen to the Unibomber that drove him crazy?
This is what happens when you give emotionally unstable people power.
instead of letting them free and shutting the whole thing done he should of switched the roles and made the prisoners be guards and the guards be prisoners.... wow I wonder how the reaction!! the bullied gets to be the bully’s ! it would be fair at least .
why does the office at the beginning look like the police station from psych
UA-cam heros
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CzechRiot what the fuck. Do you really think you saved anyone. 80%of all the money doesn't go to Any africans. I remember in school we had to save money for african children so they could go to school. And we could See what they had done with the money. The school had saved about $50 000. And a few months later a teacher came to us and said there was only enough for a few books. Don't trust that shit
Mr Shade it was a joke. Relax
Why did the "prisoners" not rebel? They know it's not a real prison, they wouldn't have gotten beaten. If I was a prisoner there, I'd not follow orders, fight with guards and have fun.
StructureGames some tried. They were assaulted and beaten down.
I watched this video after seeing the movie and it is so wrong but so fascinating
This demonstrates mankind’s need for a Savior.
who else is here for CINF 200 ?
UALBANY is in the house! Go Danes!
This is so damn disturbing..
Movie brought me here
The Holy Quran says, man if following his own whims and desires, becomes worse than an animal. And if he submits his will to the will of God and obeys His commandments, has the potential to become better than angels...for angels submit to God without free will.
Never realized I would actually see such an accurate real-life example of that point!
Know much more, than you wouldn't believe sooo much
@@erwinledwig5672 I know enough to believe. And the defiant deniers of truth can never know enough.
Peace ✌
@@fatimab6064 for sure
I'm not being moralist. I really don't think that power abuse is a human thing.
truly sickening
its interesting unintelligent people never question always obey they are by nature human drones ...never quite got the thought process that totally dehumanizes decision making ..powerful stuff human need compliancy
And what about military boot camp??? People are complaining that this was super horrible, but has anyone been to a marine boot camp? Lol just saying
Oscar true statement man. Military basic training makes this look like a joke. These rich Stanford kids would have died in basic osut.
Oscar Molina
...but Boot Camp is arguably therapeutic in nature. You're getting abused...for the purpose of making you a BETTER SOLDIER. So that there's less chance of you dying, or being a liability that gets others killed. Even "weeding out non-hackers" is done for this purpose: letting a non-hacker through would likely get him or somebody else killed in a combat situation.
So Sarge is being a stern disciplinarian for a reason, not just to punish. And in the case of Marine boot camp, the recruits SELF-SELECT because they DESIRE to be tested to such an extreme. I'd argue that makes it a different dynamic.
I do not believe for a moment in the marines that they are forced to dry hump each other
In military boot camp people aren’t deprived of beds or forced to dry hump each other or humiliated to the extent these boys were I’m not saying boot camp is easy I’m just saying it’s like comparing apples to oranges
Pizza cat is Gaben confirmed
Moral of the story ??? don't go to prison......It's a bad bad place.....
This proves that people need a saviour
Hi are u a member of the Mormon church
This man is crazy, why he aren’t at the prision
So what happens in real prison?
they drop the soap
I’m glad he did it. It is shocking and sick but we have learnt a lot and it’s has shown us a lot. The film really does imitate what happened and the clips shown here are just awful but without them we wouldn’t be able to comprehend or believe such things. It’s crazy, the events that took place, which is why the experiment was necessary. Honestly, if I could I would conduct another in the 21st century to monitor the difference of age and generation. How does the experiment differ when using people who have grown up with violence and rap music ect ect... of course however, I would better prepare them for the possible outcomes and educate them on the previous experiment. I mean when we think about it the possibilities are limitless.imagine paying 5 very willing volunteers to sit in a pitch black sound proof room for 2 days where all they could hear when not talking was silence. Yes it seems simple and boring but so did this experiment and look what happened in just over a day ...
People like you will watch others suffer in the name of research alone. It’s morally wrong. This experiment was sick.
So the guards are real guards? Or just people who play guards but got way to deep in this shit
Lol all Zimbardo and Haney did was make a prison
Nice Meme
You know all though this experiment was a tad bit fucked up. I still find it as very fascinating and actually as stupid as it may sound. A good experience for both parties. And in psychology you have to get like this sometimes to find out the real way the brain works when put into different situations. Overall. I must say. I'm not happy it happened, but I am not mad or disgraceful over the experiment.
No, you don’t. Just like you don’t have to mutate diseases. Scientists have destroyed enough.
I have ZERO respect for this so-called doctor. 😒
We should use his own children as lab rats next time..
The study was voluntary, no one was forced to participate. Using humans as "lab rats" progressed science in multiple fields. While considered highly unethical today, studies on humans were highly utilized in the late 90's.
It was not informed consent, they didn't know they wouldn't be able to leave as soon as they wanted
People still make experiments like this in current times, they just don't call it experiments, and try not to make it public. South American, African and Asian countries are vast experiment labs to many subjects.
No they could not, unless they were losing their minds, they were not released. They literally had to brake down to be released.
Phil Robertson well this is literally happening in some countries specially in asia. When med doctors have invented something to cure diseases they will immediately send it to 3rd world countries like Philippines and use citizens as human experiments Just like the dengue vaccine they offer in public schools. They made humans as experiments, people are just too cruel
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Trump is a classic example of what they found in this experiment
My brothers a psychologist I see stuff for how it is I don’t like him
Orange is the New Black ain't like this
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Why do people say it's barbaric? These students volunteered to do this experiment. It wasn't like they were forced into it.
so sad what people can do.
Scary.
Hope the guards went to actual jail afterwards
this is messed up. but what do you expect from the usa
its not like other countries have not done equal or worse things
im not saying the usa is the only messed up place. im just saying im not supprised this happened in the usa
I'm not surprised by your ignorant comment.
we haven't done shit like this you db fuck only country's that should be developed as hell have done this kind of shit Russia,china,Usa and other countries as well but don't said that every country in the world has done experiments cuz we don't even fuck with that cuz my country is a shit hole and we don't need this shit lol so stfp with that
That's a really ignorant comment. When it comes down to it, it is based on obedience and authority. It has zero to do with the USA, something like this can happen anywhere. It seems to be something humans repeat regardless of location.
Nope 6
This "experiment" is severely flawed. Check out: Stuff You Should Know podcast. They guy who "broke down" needed to get out because he had to take the GRE in 2 weeks and they didn't let him have his study materials. Zimbardo's "research" appears to be unorthodox which makes his conclusions laughable.
P Bamma hi do you think you can please give me a summary about this video ??
He is a true Charlatan！！！