iiTzTimmy on TSM ImperialHal switching to Controller & why he WON'T switch for Aim Assist
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- Опубліковано 1 гру 2023
- iiTzTimmy speaks out on Apex Pros switching to Controller & will he QUIT MnK?
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Saw someone say this in a comment and thought it summed everything up pretty well: controller raises the skill floor, while mnk raises the skill ceiling. The average playerbase will NEVER need to worry about skill ceiling. It's something that won't affect 99% of players. That is why people say controller is broken. I see a lot of controller players arguing that movement is broken after watching streamers like Faide and Aceu, but to reach that level requires much more effort than it takes a controller player to be good enough to shit on top mnk players. Movement is extremely overrated as people look at others stomp in pubs where everyone is a bot.
If people say that movement kills them and makes it unfair and mnk is good because of that I know that they are just playing against pub stompers and that they havent played against any of the pro players or played at a high rank.
I’m not understanding. I hear ranked and pubs are 3 stacks and preds. Now I hear people pub stomp solo lol. Which is it?
@@TJzWayyynobody 3 stacks in pubs bro what are you on about
@@TJzWayyy Go watch streams bud. Also, doesn't change a single thing I've said.
Let's ignore people using macro, script, etc
I put so much work into getting good on mouse and keyboard that I just refuse. This game is up there with CS and quake as far as movement and aim skill. Plus, you have to play the shot and not your reticle as much, like in Halo. It really is disappointing to see MnK dying on this game. Literally and figuratively.
Im a roller player and i agree it sucks to see mnk players dropping like flies, but this was bound to happen. Once people got to a certain skill level the things differentiating players is tiny % that make you better than the next guy and in this case its aim assist that gives that extra 10% power to a pro player. People want to change or are changing over because they want that 10% to keep up with the pro rollers. The devs have said they will be looking into nerfing roller somehow in the next year or so, but even then as long as aim assist helps you aim its going to have an edge over mnk and people are going to switch to roller to be on level with that advantage.
@@TheHollowBlade Disagree, the discrepancy was always like this from the start. The only difference is PC was mainly MnK in the beginning. Season1 AverageAden had a following because he doing really well and playing with top MnK players (he one of the very very few controller PC streamers), people didn't understand how strong AA was vs MnK. Once other players started switching they realized he wasn't anything special and he fell off instantly. The skill level never changed, it was just more and more people realizing how busted it was in comparison. The more controller opponents, the more obsolete your raw aim becomes.
@@TheHollowBlade Also the devs have said they'll nerf it before. The issue is competitive integrity is not as important and the primary playerbase, who mainly use controller. When the risk vs reward comes into play, what are they going to choose? Watching MnK disappear from comp, or pissing off the primary player base (don't say they wouldn't be mad, console players lost their mind when AA dropped to .4 for a day). Doesn't seem like a hard decision.
@@RidingOnWings watch old comp apex from season 1 and 2 everybody was REALLY bad compared to now so there were other ways to stand out on MNK.
@@UrbanMattsthey were “bad” because it was almost all MnK. I think you’ve forgotten what raw aim looks like. Apex used to have world class MnK aimers running the comp scene. Now they’ve almost all dropped out because that skill is almost meaningless since controller players have entered the scene. Go look at the players then vs now. Not a single controller player that has gotten “better”. Just MnK players who have quit or switched and new controller players. I don’t see the merit in your argument. There’s no statistical foundation.
The only reason I play MnK at times is because I refuse to let a game play for me. If I want to play a game I want to be in full control of my mechanics even if its for the worst and other people are getting assistance.
Respect. This is why I'll never understand cheaters. If I suck, I suck. If I own, it was ALL ME owning.
i never cant explain myself better than you explain it but when someone ask me why im not playing on controller this... thiis is the reason this is what i meant! well said thanks
I play both regularly and it pretty much comes down to 2 things. If you care more about winning and are less concerned with being skilled: controller, if you care more about being skilled and are less concerned with winning: mnk
Nah
The game would honestly be much better for mnk if there was an option to not go against rollers, including pc controllers.
@@mandy11254braindead take
they just need to remove all the visual clutter and get some higher tick servers. I miss because i cant see where my target is or because i thought a door was shutting but someone just walked clean through it like it was open. Rollers dont have to worry about that because they just have to be with the AA FOV and they hit 180 through vortexs and explosions
@@mandy11254
apex on roller and on mnk its literally a whole different game, if EA actually cared about apex and got 120fps on console, and made separate lobbies for roller and mnk there wouldn't be this endless pointless arguing on the internet, a competitive game having two different inputs is never gonna be taken seriously skillwise, also roller gameplay is boring as fuck to watch, in algs is just 4-3 and stick drift on every single controller player
I've seen someone beams with the RE-45 midrange on roller on gravlift, there's no way you can do that on mnk without AA. It also sucks that i cant tell the difference between cheaters and rollers when they beamed me in
Controller players telling MnK players movement is op when the other guy has to learn it and practice it and they could've just swapped to MnK if it was that broken lol why didn't you swap if it was so broken. Also Configs are a thing.
Calm down, that's too much truth for a day.
Never gonna swap to mnk. Controller is broken... and configs are legal cheats so i think not many want to use them
controller is just lifeless, i have no fun playing with one. like yeah my centering is off and im not the best, but its either i miss or it locks in for 120 damage and the kill doesnt feel good. on mnk every kill feels earned and very rarely feels like i fluked into it
aceu said it best: i play to do cool shit in the game. i dont want the game playing for me
The fact that people think controller takes no skill is just insane to me. You just press trigger and the game does everything for you is just not true. Everything Timmy is saying comes from a pros perspective. And pros are pros for a reason.
I've had many friends who tried controller and quit cause the skill to actually learn controller to a normal player level is actually very hard. It's only when you get really good at the game the benefits actually show, which is like 10 percent of the player base
as soon as you said it locks in i know you have no idea what what aa is
@@stocktonfiero5379if you cant hop on a controller and beam right out the gate you are dead ass trash and should just stop playing games. Its actually hard to be the bad. Zero hand eye coordination
I used to always play controller and grind ranked, now I have more fun playing ltms and tdm on mnk. I plugged in my controller a few weeks ago farming 4k’s. So boring fr
it doesnt feel like a good kill partly because youve been told it isnt your skill and you are biased because you are an OG MNK player which is dope to me but not a fair take tbh
Aim assist in close range needs a nerf and that is it
Also another thing is that if youve been playing games most of your life its pretty easy to pick up a controller and learn a game however a lot of people have never used mnk to play games so its mich harder to switch from controller to that. Same thing with fighting games and arcade sticks.
you are not cooking shit
the fact that any video on aim assist for this entire year still applies is ridiculous
why would they change it
@@estfatul744 competitive integrity
Seeing Timmy and other players like Alb and a few others playing on MnK like why would they switch? They're top tier talents on MnK and it's good to have 1 on your team. Hal won a lan on MnK before most pros were on controller, then when it switched over he did too and got more lan wins, he's stayed ahead of the curve for sure. He also has big E and then Jordan on MnK so you still need those great MnK players. They fill that void. It works great and it's tons of fun to watch instead of seeing people barrel stuffing each other with R-99s you get some crazy good movement with juicy Timmy flicks. Good for the game
my argument is that tournaments should not be played with (aim assistance). because its like in an F1 race letting a driver have traction control for whatever reason, its removing part of the skill requirement, which means some have manual inputs and others have automatic adjusted inputs. Its not fair, it appears like cheating
hal game sense and knowledge expedites his swap, but controller aim training for long range and understanding aa takes a 1/3 of the time if not a little less compared to getting close range strong enough on mnk to hang with roller close range
I have over 16k hours playing games on mnk, 1k on kovaaks, 5k on apex, at least like 6k training my aim in game, and with like 70 hours on controller in my entire life I beam harder with it.
@@miclwastakeni know its insane to me how people can claim controller isnt broken. Ive played mnk for 7 years now the first year i didnt take to seriously on cs but after that ive practiced my aim on different games and aim trainers and made money from tournaments about $1000 and aim has always been my focus i beam people in apex but the just hit a little bit more shots than me and then i see the controller symbol and its a slap in the face.
Shooting at long range is mostly a waste of time and just gives away your position.
completely agree I am absolute dogshit with wingman on mnk with 5k hours I have high highs and low lows but within a week of learning roller I did things with wingman r99/car I could only dream of doing with mnk
Literally
Agree with almost everything Timmy says here
It just translates Mnk = skill controller=aim assist.
From DMA AI cheats to controller AA with AI DMA cheats, whats the difference?
3:05 this is how i feel about swapping to mnk. Not that mnk is better but i feel my personal peak may actually be on mnk instead of controller.
Its not. Not even the best mnk players in the world can beat a good roller in aim
HAL already had controller experience, so him being good off the bat is berceuse of that on top of being a good player in general
the contorller is strong
answer is yesnt
I never understood people that say aim assist is broken then switch and have less fun. A game is for fun because ik all of y’all aren’t making money so just play for fun and if it’s not fun just stop playing… literally millions of games and the whole world outside just go have fun doing something else. Literally anything else but complain online for seasons
We wanna have fun but as long as its fair. We dont wanna cheat
I play RTS games majority of my time now. MNK and controller issues like this don't exist, no issues with troll teammates, no issues about hackers. I'm happy. Not coming back.
you and the other 30 people playing RTS games 😂
Less is more ;). @@LordlyUri
Which rts you play/recommend?
The one you'll enjoy. Lots of choices. I believe SC2 hast the largest active community and AOE2 comes the closest if I'm not mistaken. AOE4 is also growing in popularity. I personally loved COH2, COH3 is a downer at its current state so... Anw, enjoy! @@MADDcartman
I like Timmy but i don’t understand why people just don’t acknowledge HAL being the best alongside verhulst … saying hal has bigger stream and best teammates is so wrong …. If HAL changes reps(no hate to reps i like him alot but he is not on the same lvl as hal and verhulst)with some other bigger name player they will win every-game which they almost do. And still people hate him just because he is a bit outspoken
Nah, Reps and Hal were still dominant before Verhulst, Reps is the most integral part of TSM’s roster.
Reps is probably the best MNK player out there. You are buggin if you think otherwise. Man has won so many 1v3s and 1v2s to save TSM. All 3 of them are arguably 1,2,3 Hal Reps Verhulst. In that order.
@@MrThetruth0034 bugging out putting reps over evan respectfully.
I've played with 0.6 since the 1st week but when i switch to 0.4 i feel way more consistant and its still pretty strong, as a controller player i agree it needs a nerf
Nah theres not many that can beat hal in a 1v1 in the wild. Only guy ive seen is evan his teamate.
Gild is up there I think
yeah in actual battle royale hal is toogood with positioning and aim
no.1 MNK player is infinitely more skilled than no.1 aimbot player
Timmy too nice on MnK
that's why most rollers play hemlock on single fire
DMA ANDY
FACTS
yall really think controller players dont have to learn movement? if mnk was so bad then literally every top player would be on controller but they arnt...
kist needs nerfing is all
reptar frex lou all better on roller and will be same for dooplex
you can turn aim assist off on controller just fyi, some people simply prefer it. I'm still playing the game myself just different inputs
Disagree. Hal exemplifies that FPS games are so much more than raw mechanical skill. You have to have good timing, peeks, and info retention. Then you throw in that clutch ability. He is one of the best FPS players I have ever seen. IYKYK. His swap to controller was for confidence. That is an intangible trait of a competitor in any realm, digital or physical.
Hal was always good at the game just never mechanically great (compared to other mnk pros). I feel like he reached his skill ceiling and as more and more controller players started filling the pared lobbies you could see him get frustrated with never being able to do enough to win gunfights. The switch was definitely more to do with mechanical consistency but he did lose a lot of confidence near the end of his mnk days. I remember him unbinding his tap strafe key and changing his sens ever lower to compete just before he made the switch to controller
and why was he not confidence when playing on mnk. You can dance around the topic all you want, controller just make you better at gunfights period.
As someone who prefers MnK, I will say the skill Ceiling is so high for top MnK players with tap strafing and shit. I play with 2 friends on the ps5 and I'm on pc now (cause i'm not gonna spend 500 dollars to be on console just to play apex with friends). Players who can do movement and hit their shots most of their time REALLY outshine anyone on controller any day of the week. I still have better aim than my friends on controller, I will always feel better on controller, and having the ability to change dpi at a moments notice is just so good when needed.
tldr: 'Roller isn't as strong as people make it out to be, learn to tap strafe and stomp kids.
No one who isn't a beginner with mnk changes dpi at a moments notice. Assuming you mean that in game mid match without adjusting your sens in game to match your edpi.
Tap strafe doesn’t work, controllers aiming algorithm auto adjusts to lock on regardless of direction change.
Your MMR must be really low.
No-one in my lobbies is going to miss a MNK player tapstrafing.
Controller config neostrafers however could be troublesome.
I’m on controller and can beam from 500yrds out with a flatty or Lstar… Timmy should too
Cap or zen you fool
bs
@@MrXboxUser 100% skill issue
i can beam from one billion miles and im 6'9 with 200 confirmed irl kills
Jesus.. to be more specific I can dish out 50-100 damage, sometimes more sometimes less. The recoi pattern on a flatline and Lstar is easy. Go to the firing range and shoot for far targets only for 10,000 damage then try shooting dummies, you will see massive improvements. Do that before every shift on Apex.
Aim assist makes these games trash
If you’re doing this for a living there is no reason not to switch to controller. If you’re a casual player there is definitely no way why you’re not on controller 😂😂. Mnk is for mnk sweats that plays other fps games like valorant, csgo, overwatch.
I tried to play with roller, but could not addapt to it, it feels alien to me, my main shhoters are battlefield games ( up untill bf1, not bf5 and 2042 garbage) im more like shiv, mnk that dont use movement strats
I'm Vietnamese. My parents don't want to buy a machine just to play games on it, so I don't have any console. I stick with MnK since I started playing video games.
And pretty sure lots of Asian gamers and gamers outside Asia out there starts with MnK with the same reason as mine.
Just play gyro even with aim assist you will need human skill aim assist dont work super op perfect balance
It’s not that deep lmao just play what you want it’s just a game
I suck controller so y’all are cooking burnt fish
Sounds like a lot of cope. "I don't care to be the best" at apex legends so I won't make the swap. Gtfoh lmao he literally claims he could be number 1 but he won't because a new game may come out that needs mouse and key skill. As he is currently a PRO PLAYER for Apex Legends lol I like Timmy but cmon
If controller was as broken as everyone says it is, there wouldn't be this fear to switch inputs that Timmy describes. I'm not saying that controller isn't better. I'm saying that it still takes a lot of time and dedication to get good with. Otherwise, every pro would already be on it.
It's time for people to start looking at this objectively and stop looking at it so emotionally.
Objectively it doesn't take nearly as much skill as the auto lock/auto adjust features of controller do most of the aiming for you, taking away the skill aspect of shooter games. Versus mnk you don't get the automatic aim adjustments and crosshair locking that controller does. Obviously you still need to know positioning for both inputs.
@@nolanb4165 Don't get me wrong, I absolutely agree. Having moved from controller to mnk, I noticed a clear difference in my ability to hit shots up close.
That being said, people will say that controller is broken, takes no skill, and mnk has no possible chance of competing with it. Based on what Timmy is saying, none of that is true.
I still think controller is better but not so much better that it warrants the constant emotional breakdowns regarding AA.
@@_Atlas. Looking at it from a logical perspective, in close to mid range (typically seen in end games), mnk has no chance of competing with with controller. A computer program (aim assist source code) is gonna beat a human almost 100% of the time in terms of efficiency. Look at chess for example, top ranked grandmasters still always lose to computers that have an algorithm coded in.
@@nolanb4165 But it isn't fully a computer program. The control still rests in the hands of the player. Put the controller in hands of my mother and give her .9 AA and just about any player in the game would beat her every time on mnk with one hand. Therefore, skill does play into it.
It's not like it just locks on to an enemy player when you squeeze the trigger. It only helps make small adjustments when you're already aiming on near them. It may be an algorithm to adjust aim but its only purpose is to make up for the shortcomings of aiming with a thumbstick. The fact that it adjusts the aim isn't the problem. If AA were .01, .05, or .1 it would still be equally a "computer program" but people would never complain about it again.
@@_Atlas. So after playing both basically all you have to do for controller is aim the crosshair at the enemy to enable auto adjustments/tracking once you do that the algorithm comes into play and starts auto tracking the enemy. Versus mnk even if you do get the crosshair onto the enemy there is no machine learning involved to make those adjustments so youre basically having to track the enemy the whole time when shooting which is basically the main difference.
WTF IS TIMMY RUBBING THIS WHOLE VIDEO
mnk can break physics while roller give you stronger aim case closed
problem is roller players on pc are doing more insane movement shit than mnk players because of steam configs.
@@b7shoota true if they remove configs then roller wouldn’t be such a issue imo
@@b7shootathey 100% need to do something about that, its not that bad. I aint super high rank so idk what its like in high mmr lobbies but in my lobbies ive run into 1 guaranteed dude using them. Past that idk, but they need to ban cofigs asap, its only going to catch on more and more as time goes on and people realize you can basically use them to cheat and full on never get banned.. shit we got people making careers using that shit. Lets go configs go go go!
If I have to break physics to avoid AA, that says more about AA than it does movement. Movement was something that was just flashy and to have fun with. Now it's become something to avoid getting beamed by roller.
@@TheHollowBlade I'm not at a very high rank either and haven't played apex in a little while now, but I had ran into multiple of them. It's very discouraging as an mnk player where they're doing things just by pressing a button that I can't even do having practiced my movement. I wanted to switch to controller but didn't care to put the time in, and mnk is just more fun. But it must be fun to basically be cheating and able to run the entire lobby down, looking cracked as fuck, nobody can hit you, ranks beyond what you could do before. Like those creators on twitch I can't even remember their names that get mad viewers and get treated like they're the best in the game when you can't even use them in algs.
The real thing is aim assist needs nerfed, they should have been messing with this for a long time, perfecting the balance of mnk and controller, but they have just let the casual experience take over and its cost them a lot of players.
MnK tears. Yet none of you will be any better on roller.
READ THIS - Albralelie, one of the best pro players in the world, switched to controller with the intention of mastering it and remaining on roller. He lasted what? A few weeks and went back because he sucked.
Mnk = insane movement, tap strafing on ppls heads, insane midrange and long range, no AA at close range
Controller = garbage movement, terrible long range and middle of the road mid-range, very strong close range.
Pick your poison as Albralelie did and shut up for God’s sake 😂, such a boring conversation. Pick your poison people, pick your poison.
MnK is more poisonous because you dont get the automatic aim feature that controller has. Movement doesn't matter as much with controllers auto lock + auto adjust aim features. Also I use controller for ranked and aim assist definitely works long range. I shit you not there are times where I dont even move my joystick and the crosshair is still moves on its own.
stupid take, alb switch back to mnk because the team needs him to be the support character and mnk are good for that. you forgot that literal best player in the game Hal switch to controller and never looking back again.
True
@pitifulanonymous2996 If this were true he would have stuck to the more comfortable input, use your brain and not your emotions. He switched back because he had nowhere near the results on roller that he was getting on MNK, even though it's so incredibly "OP".
i cant tell you the amount of time i tap stafe, wall jump and died mid air with some dude beaming me for 150
Man I see guys like Timmy. Ace U. Stormen. Mande. Shiv. Reps. Sweet. All these MNK guys beam. Nobody says “awe man he was an MNK user for sure”. I feel like MNK guys are just mad that controller players get to play more comfortably without having to learn how to not cramp their fingers on a keyboard.
as the apex community like to describe, "You're brain dead." Fills an accurate description to your comment.
@ramoncarneiro8885 the guys trying to defend aim assist the second he did that brain dead was 100% what he is
Bruh, even controller players like Gen complain about aim assist wtf are you talking about
where to even begin with this one 💀💀💀
@@lucascuartero8095 Bro saw controller brain from a mile away and had to end him real quick💀
Are we ever gonna talk about how easy long range aim is with a keyboard and mouse? Every one of my PC teammates want to sit 2000 meters away on a cliff with a 30/30 because you have to be awful to be able to miss a point and click shot.
But you can do the same thing on controller but with aim assist, did you even watch the video he talked about it for like a minute
Because the second they get close they die instantly with no chance to fight back.
Simply put aim assist isn’t that op compared to pc tap strafe with also can jump around while looting as well as less recoil
How is changing direction mid air good when aim assist can track it
you can still shoot ppl while theyre looting bozos
What are you saying bro
Bruh roller has a lot less recoil.
You can also jump around while looting on roller with steam configs.
The thing is Hals problem was his lack in machanical talent bc his knowledge is and was top notch and and the mechanical lack got way better with controller, and Timmy has insane talent for MnK so why would he.