Both triethylamine and triethanolamine are commonly abbreviated as TEA. Triethylamine is not used in cosmetics though as it has an extremely pungent fish-like odor.
I used 8oz 91% alcohol, 2oz distilled water 0.20 oz carbopol 940. Used a screen to slowly drop the chemical into the glass bowl and used a immersion blender until all the white was dissolved. Worked great. Now how do i get the air bubbles out lol . Turns out if you add 2 tsp of glycerin and shake it up for a few, that the air bubbles can slide to the top. My recipe's Total alcohol percentage is 70.45% for this recipe.
Air bubbles occur through the mixing process especially if the stirrer isn't submerged fully but kept on the surface so that air can get into the mixture. Once air bubbles are trapped in the gel, it's very hard to get rid of them.
awesome channel just found it today, been in this industry for 20 years, and great to see such a helping hand for others who want to learn......kudos to @MakingCosmetics!!!
A 100% clear gel is almost always only possible if there are no other ingredients than water and carbomer. As soon as other ingredients are added (especially botanicals) the gels starts becoming opaque.
By adding glycolic acid the pH will drop significantly, so that the gel formation will likely break apart. Carbomer needs a high pH in order to form a gel.
Hello. I'm making carbomer gel and adding glycerin, aloe vera extract but it's not perfectly clear like crystal. It's clear but in the glass jar it look s cloudy. how can I make crystal clear gel?
Bummer! Alcohol is liquid gold these days. Mixing the gel and the isopropyl should be the very last step. The TEA is added directly to the gel formulation to neutralize it, after which the alcohol is added. BTW, how much gel are you using? If you're adding more than 10% gel to 70% isopropyl you're not getting enough alcohol in your formulation to protect you. I assume you'll also want some pure essential oils or other skin-nourishing additives. All said and done, though, you must have 60% alcohol or more in your FINAL formulation for your sanitizer to meet WHO standards, 70% to meet medical standards. Much health and safety to you and yours!
which preservatives we can in gel to keep it longer? which antibacterial material we can add if i produce an ultrasound gel? how to make the gel Bacteriostatic ?what to add? can i put the gel in transparent bottle and keep it for 2 years without damage?should the bottle be transparent or not?
HI, thanks for the video. We're having trouble forming a gel. We've been adding Carbomer 940 to a mix of water and isopropyl alcohol, which forms a thin gel THEN adding TEA. When we add the TEA, the mixture instantly becomes much less viscous - practically water consistency - and goes very milky. Should we be adding the TEA to the water/alcohol mix before adding the carbomer, as shown in your video? Also, what's the final pH of the gel? If you take the liquid to around 7pH and add Carbomel, isn't that going to make the final gel acidic?
I just bought this from your site. I want to make a glycolic serum. Since glycolic is acidic, can I still combine these to make a light liquid serum, light enough to be applied with eye dropper? How much preservative to last for a couple of months?
@@Makingcosmetics can you please advice the composition of such hand sanitizer gel.?? Any guess? Usually hand sanitizers have 2:1 alcohol and aloevera extract.
Actually its better to first dilute the carbomer powder then add the triethaolamine in other to prevent lumps. A concern that i have is when i add surfactants the gel turns thin, almost like water, then i try to adjust again the ph but no results. I would appreciate any advice. Thanks!
Can this be used to make a glitter gel? I'm looking to make a gel base that I can add glitter to that will dry down very good and adhere to the face and body. I followed another video from someone else and the gel was a bit watery and the glitter didn't stick, it wiped off
I already bought so much stuff from you guys already to make pomade and gel but I wanna get started with gel I did everything right by want a stronger hold on gel
For making a hair gel with stronger hold you'd have to integrate a polymer like this one, for exampe: www.makingcosmetics.com/HairFix-Powder_p_1128.html
Hi, great video! Is this safe for ingestion? Planning to use this as a base for my lip and cheek tint product. Planning to add cucumber extract as well. What should be the ideal ratio?
@@Makingcosmetics Thanks! Yeah, just for lip products. But sometimes small amounts can be ingested, especially for people who have the habit of licking their lips. Is it safe to be ingested in small amounts?
Carbomer gel is Newtonian below 0.45 wt% but above that, it is shear thinning. It's viscosity only changes while under shear though. It returns to being a gel as soon as force is removed.
I want to make my own glitter gels to bring to market using biodegradable glitter. I want to BUY the gel base but i can't seem to find a supplier for this. Will this tutorial work in making my own gel base for cosmetic glitter gel???
We actually have a MULTI-FUNCTIONAL preservative we manufacture in Italy and it is used instead of TEA for neutralizing Carbomers for CRYSTAL CLEAR gels/serums....if you would like I can send you the link or the datasheet, we supply multinational brands with this unique ingredient.
@@hebayousry2066 hello Heba....my sincere apologies, notifications were backed up. You can contact our co....its Akema Fine Chemicals Italy....send us a request and we will send it to you. Cheers
Am trying to make acne and hyper pigmentation products in gel foam,Since carbomer thickens at pH of 7 and some actives works at pH below 5.5...It means its not suitable agent to use in making skincare right?which other gelling agent would you recommend since gel maker is not available locally
Ma'am how much PH it turn out to be after you added a neutralizer. Exactly how much pH should be attained for a perfect gel. And in how much quantity Ionised water you had added. Percentage wise I would like to know. Do me a favour ma'am .
does it work with more natural preservatives? (preservative ECO) if after adding the actives in the gel, i drop the ph back to 5 will the gel loose its thickness?
Here is my problem with carbomer, upon using it the first time the gel is good, however when i use the powder after a week or a month, the powder it produces becomes a grainy gel, why so?
ICE Hair Gel mix should thicken with any distilled water, you don't have to test the pH of the water. However depending on the additional ingredients you're adding it's good to test the pH at the end and make adjustments. Often an emulsion is separating because of a pH too low or too high.
If we make aloe vera gel, turmeric gel, rose gel using this method and using this chemicals how long could i keep this in the room temperature ? I mean for how many months can we keep this ib the room temperature ? Plz reply me
It depends on what you are trying to make. If you're trying to make a hair pomade, a gelling thickener may not be your best bet and may be why you're getting flakes. Most water-based pomades contain oils and waxes to thicken it rather than something like carbopol. PVP is usually added at about 5%. Hope this helps.
It's not that carbomer loses its thickening properties completely at a pH of 5.5, but it is reduced somewhat. The lower the pH the less thickening effect. If you want to use a similar thickener for a low-pH product we recommend to use GelMaker Powder (www.makingcosmetics.com/GelMaker%C2%AE-Powder_p_948.html)
hi i made wine gel with carbomer and wine in place of water and it was quiet thivk.and transparent. but when i add essential oil with polysorbate 20 and phenoxy ethanol the gel becomes opaque. how to get a clear gel?
Once oils and an emulsifier are added to the water, an emulsion is formed which almost always turns the mixture to an opaque gel. There is no way to make it clear again.
Hi~ I would like to know what body safe chemical can be used to make essential oil and water for example clear. Trying to make a clear linen spray. Thank you~
Polysorbate 20 is a very popular solubilizer for essential oils for example, and it gives pretty clear to slightly hazy solutions. However the higher content of essential oils the higher the chance it will get a bit cloudy. Use the polysorbate 20 in proportion to the essential oils - eg. if using 0.5% essential oils use 0.5% polysorbate 20 solubilizer.
Pay attention to chemical substances names, TEA stands for Triethylamine, TEOA stands for Triethanolamine.
Thank you so much for the information as I was searching what is TEA...so we need TEA right?
Both triethylamine and triethanolamine are commonly abbreviated as TEA. Triethylamine is not used in cosmetics though as it has an extremely pungent fish-like odor.
You can integrate oils and butter into a carbomer gel but only after the gel has been formed
I've been looking for the answer to this question.
Thank youu
I used 8oz 91% alcohol, 2oz distilled water 0.20 oz carbopol 940. Used a screen to slowly drop the chemical into the glass bowl and used a immersion blender until all the white was dissolved. Worked great. Now how do i get the air bubbles out lol . Turns out if you add 2 tsp of glycerin and shake it up for a few, that the air bubbles can slide to the top. My recipe's Total alcohol percentage is 70.45% for this recipe.
Air bubbles occur through the mixing process especially if the stirrer isn't submerged fully but kept on the surface so that air can get into the mixture. Once air bubbles are trapped in the gel, it's very hard to get rid of them.
Yes, adding preservative like phenoxyethanol is recommended.
I going to tried, but in your video it no cristal
Can we Any other preservatives like iscaguard or phenonip?what is the shelf life of this gel??
Thank you😊
can phenoxyethanol be used in place of aminomethylpropanol?
You may try to see whether it still works without TEA, but usually TEA is needed.
MakingCosmetics
It looks like you’ve used more than 0.5% of carbomer. Is it okay to add more ?
As far as I know , first carbomer is hydrated and after completely hydrated TEA is added to rise pH and forming gel .
Triethanol amine just to raise pH?
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How much ethanol% can be dissolved after forming carbomer gel in water without any precipitation?
I am looking for measurements as well as instructions. Thank you 😊
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Hello
Is the carbopol and carbomer, both are same?
A 100% clear gel is almost always only possible if there are no other ingredients than water and carbomer. As soon as other ingredients are added (especially botanicals) the gels starts becoming opaque.
Can this be used in alcohol based sanitizer?
By adding glycolic acid the pH will drop significantly, so that the gel formation will likely break apart. Carbomer needs a high pH in order to form a gel.
MakingCosmetics so TEA is to increase pH while glycolic acid is to drop it?
but skin ph is 4 to 5 right?
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Hello. I'm making carbomer gel and adding glycerin, aloe vera extract but it's not perfectly clear like crystal. It's clear but in the glass jar it look s cloudy. how can I make crystal clear gel?
never add aloe vera
@@rickzhang7421 why?
Yes, you can add fragrances. The duration on how long they last on the skin depends on the type of fragrances
Will the gel remain clear after adding a fragrance?
Do you need an emulsifier to mix this gel with oil or silicones?
what is the measurement of carbomer?
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How to remove bubbles, occurring after few minutes of gel formation
Yes, sodium hydroxide should work too
NaOH elevates the pH enabling the carbomer to polymerize
Im sorry, do you mean like I can use Table Salt or real NaOH that we're use for soap making? I want to use the Carbomer in a hair cream.
Table salt won't work. The key is to bring the pH up. So, you have to use either TEA (www.makingcosmetics.com/Triethanolamine_p_280.html) or NaOH
MakingCosmetics can I use Baking soda?
We haven't tried it. Theoretically, it should work.
When would i add a slurry of tara gum?
Hello, thank you for your inquiry. A slurry of tara gum can be added once the carbomer gel has formed.
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I made a handsanitizer gel of 70%isopropyl alcohol...at the end of the formulation.. a gel was formed however on adding TEA it separated
Bummer! Alcohol is liquid gold these days. Mixing the gel and the isopropyl should be the very last step. The TEA is added directly to the gel formulation to neutralize it, after which the alcohol is added. BTW, how much gel are you using? If you're adding more than 10% gel to 70% isopropyl you're not getting enough alcohol in your formulation to protect you. I assume you'll also want some pure essential oils or other skin-nourishing additives. All said and done, though, you must have 60% alcohol or more in your FINAL formulation for your sanitizer to meet WHO standards, 70% to meet medical standards. Much health and safety to you and yours!
Most people add the TEA last.
Do you mean after the rest of the oil phase and oil phase?
Please use a spatula for mixing, don't do that thing of moving your hand, it is just bad when you have a beaker.
So if the water's ph is already in the 7 range, you don't need to add TEA?
Hello! Thank you for the video! What if I dont add PVP? Will is still provide hold in a hair gel? If so how much hold would it be?
May I use Optiphen plus or liquid germ all plus with this?
Yes, you can use Optiphen plus or Germall
U MUST ADD TEA AFTER DISSOLVING CARPOMER IN WATER NOT BEFOR AS U MAKE
which preservatives we can in gel to keep it longer?
which antibacterial material we can add if i produce an ultrasound gel?
how to make the gel Bacteriostatic ?what to add?
can i put the gel in transparent bottle and keep it for 2 years without damage?should the bottle be transparent or not?
HI, thanks for the video. We're having trouble forming a gel. We've been adding Carbomer 940 to a mix of water and isopropyl alcohol, which forms a thin gel THEN adding TEA. When we add the TEA, the mixture instantly becomes much less viscous - practically water consistency - and goes very milky. Should we be adding the TEA to the water/alcohol mix before adding the carbomer, as shown in your video?
Also, what's the final pH of the gel? If you take the liquid to around 7pH and add Carbomel, isn't that going to make the final gel acidic?
We recommend to first make a gel using water, carbomer, and TEA, and only then add isopropyl alcohol.
Contact carbomer manufacturer (no middle man): Whats app me: +91 8200 465039
Hi, is it okag to mix carbomer with shea butter? Thanks 😊
What do we add more of for extreme hold
Is it 70% alcohol compatible? It precipitates white, rubbery fluffs with isopropanol in my tests. I can’t work it out. Using Carbopol 940.
Do you use an original Carbopol940 or a chineese Carbomer. Can you make Ethanol Gel with this Carbomer?
Can u Supply TEA
Hello, yes. You can find TEA at www.makingcosmetics.com
Please, what percentage of carbomer was used for this video?
TEA (Triethanolamide)
Carbomer 940,640
I just bought this from your site. I want to make a glycolic serum. Since glycolic is acidic, can I still combine these to make a light liquid serum, light enough to be applied with eye dropper? How much preservative to last for a couple of months?
Carbomer 940 or 980 which is better for alovera gel or shampoo
Hello! What preservative and thickener should I use on fresh aloe vera gel?
You could use xanthan gum as thickener and phenoxyethanol as preservative
@@Makingcosmetics
Thank you!
@@Makingcosmetics
Thanks again for replying. Do I preserve the fresh aloe Vera gel before I include it into the recipe do to the texture?
Preservatives are always added at the very end of the complete formula.
For the new year. Can you show us how the make versa gel (lip gloss base).
Martesh Beauty They don't sell it.
Yes I know. I reached out to them about the ingredients. But I found one I can make that is very moisturizing.
@@SerenityJaeHandmade Do you mind saying what brand you found to make it more moisturizing?
Thank you for the wounderful video ... can i use sodium hydroxinde to make the PH higher instead of TEA ???
Emulgen T better than
depending on what u want to use your gel for
I’m trying to make hydrogen peroxide Gel! But not sure how the peroxide would do
Will this be ok if I add mixture of hand sanitizer in this gel to have this gel form??
If hand sanitizer contains 70% isopropanol with Aloe Vera.?
I may work. We haven't tested it though.
@@Makingcosmetics can you please advice the composition of such hand sanitizer gel.?? Any guess?
Usually hand sanitizers have 2:1 alcohol and aloevera extract.
Actually its better to first dilute the carbomer powder then add the triethaolamine in other to prevent lumps. A concern that i have is when i add surfactants the gel turns thin, almost like water, then i try to adjust again the ph but no results. I would appreciate any advice. Thanks!
Adding surfactants to a carbomer gel is a challenge. Some will work, some not.
Can this be used to make a glitter gel? I'm looking to make a gel base that I can add glitter to that will dry down very good and adhere to the face and body. I followed another video from someone else and the gel was a bit watery and the glitter didn't stick, it wiped off
Carbomer use in liquid dish wash gel because thickness
Hello thanks à lot can you teach us how to make Face serums that are satinized ans can be used with microneedling pleace much love
Hello lina
Why not slurry it, so u avoid fisheyes and bubbles?
if i want to make hidrogen peroxide gel, when is to put the h2o2 into the mixture? which form of h2o2 is better, liquid or powder? TIA
How do I make my gel transparent? I added my neem extract, and then it changed the color .. I don't know what to do?
I already bought so much stuff from you guys already to make pomade and gel but I wanna get started with gel I did everything right by want a stronger hold on gel
For making a hair gel with stronger hold you'd have to integrate a polymer like this one, for exampe: www.makingcosmetics.com/HairFix-Powder_p_1128.html
Just follow the instruction in the video to make a clear carbomer gel.
What should be added to keep ultrasound gel ph 7 till 2year .
And what should be added to make gel non slippery
why its not as clear as another gel like gel antibacterial purell ?
Hi... We want to make a cockroach gel with Active ingredients of Fipronil. Can you help us in this regard?
I remember reading some where that carbomer was used in cars can you find out or do you know of this information
There are many different carbomer polymers for various industries.
Very nice video, What content you added 3 drops and why. Pls explain
Click on the SHOW MORE link above then you'll see more details.
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Can Aloe Vera juice be use in place of the water?
Yes, that could work as long as the pH can be elevated.
Hi, great video! Is this safe for ingestion? Planning to use this as a base for my lip and cheek tint product. Planning to add cucumber extract as well. What should be the ideal ratio?
No, this is for external use only but not ingestion. Lips are ok. Extracts are typically added at 5-0%
@@Makingcosmetics Thanks! Yeah, just for lip products. But sometimes small amounts can be ingested, especially for people who have the habit of licking their lips. Is it safe to be ingested in small amounts?
I thought carbomer is shear sensitive. Won't it get cut with the high shear?
Carbomer gel is Newtonian below 0.45 wt% but above that, it is shear thinning. It's viscosity only changes while under shear though. It returns to being a gel as soon as force is removed.
Hi I hope you noticed me how about if I will add a certain ingredient like plant extract . Is it okay to use the same formulation? Thanks
Yes, you can add plant extracts to the gel. Blend well.
Both work equally well
will the gel liquefy if the ph is lowered after the formation is acheived?
Do you know how to fix grainy carbomer gel?
I want to make my own glitter gels to bring to market using biodegradable glitter. I want to BUY the gel base but i can't seem to find a supplier for this. Will this tutorial work in making my own gel base for cosmetic glitter gel???
We carry several gel bases: www.makingcosmetics.com/Gel-Serum-Bases_c_146.html
Is it oki to use NaOH instead of TEA for face gel making ? Plz reply? Is it safe?
Yes, that's possible.
That's as clear as it gets. It never gets 100% crystal clear due to the polymerization of the carbomer.
We actually have a MULTI-FUNCTIONAL preservative we manufacture in Italy and it is used instead of TEA for neutralizing Carbomers for CRYSTAL CLEAR gels/serums....if you would like I can send you the link or the datasheet, we supply multinational brands with this unique ingredient.
@@vinniediego would you please send it to me?
@@hebayousry2066 hello Heba....my sincere apologies, notifications were backed up. You can contact our co....its Akema Fine Chemicals Italy....send us a request and we will send it to you. Cheers
@@vinniediego Ok, thank you so much. I will contact the company.
@@hebayousry2066 why you're most welcome my friend!
Hi thank you for the recipe but I can’t found TEA 😕triethanolamide what I can replace? Thank you
You can buy it here: www.makingcosmetics.com/Triethanolamine_p_280.html
I cant find Triethanolamide on your website. is it because the carbomer listed is 940?
Here it is: www.makingcosmetics.com/Triethanolamine_p_280.html
Contact carbomer manufacturer - all grades available (no middle man): Whats app me: +91 8200 465039
Am trying to make acne and hyper pigmentation products in gel foam,Since carbomer thickens at pH of 7 and some actives works at pH below 5.5...It means its not suitable agent to use in making skincare right?which other gelling agent would you recommend since gel maker is not available locally
We recommend to use GelMaker PH instead: www.makingcosmetics.com/THK-POLACRMP-01.html?lang=default
I did it wrong it came out goowy asf almost like snot. Did I add to mucj carbomer? I ph the distilled water to dark green
Can one make a gel air freshener with it
Hello I’m trying to make a edge control. Can you recommend ingredients
Thanks for your reply
Please can you write components in screen when you speaking
Ma'am how much PH it turn out to be after you added a neutralizer. Exactly how much pH should be attained for a perfect gel. And in how much quantity Ionised water you had added. Percentage wise I would like to know. Do me a favour ma'am .
The pH value should be higher than 6 (typically 6-8).
hi can you please write the amount of material
How to make gel very thick like ointment?
Tq
Can this be used as a lip gloss base ?
Yes, carbomer can be used in lip gloss but usually it is combined with other thickeners/gel-makers.
does it work with more natural preservatives? (preservative ECO)
if after adding the actives in the gel, i drop the ph back to 5 will the gel loose its thickness?
Yes, when the pH drops too far viscosity may decrease as well.
Can I make a glycolic acid peel with this?
What can be used instead of pvp ?
Pl guide me how to make clear gel for food
could you use it for a jelly peel mask ?
Can we use this to thicken isopropyl alcohol due to lack of hand sanitizer?
Yes, but GelMaker PH (www.makingcosmetics.com/GelMaker%C2%AE-PH_p_1417.html) works better for that purpose
Here is my problem with carbomer, upon using it the first time the gel is good, however when i use the powder after a week or a month, the powder it produces becomes a grainy gel, why so?
For the best results hydrate the powder well, then neutralize to pH 6.5-7, then sheer mixing or homogenizing for a smooth texture.
With your ICE Hair Gel mix, would I have to test the PH balance of Bottled Distilled water in order for it to gel?
ICE Hair Gel mix should thicken with any distilled water, you don't have to test the pH of the water. However depending on the additional ingredients you're adding it's good to test the pH at the end and make adjustments. Often an emulsion is separating because of a pH too low or too high.
No, I'll just be adding the water. I ordered it, thank you very much for responding : )
Will carbomer 940 not make gel in other than 7 pH?
Please make video , milky cleanser.
madam please write down hole material and their quantity on below box
If we make aloe vera gel, turmeric gel, rose gel using this method and using this chemicals how long could i keep this in the room temperature ? I mean for how many months can we keep this ib the room temperature ?
Plz reply me
You need to add a preservative like phenoxyethanol-SA (www.makingcosmetics.com/Phenoxyethanol-SA_p_243.html)
Is this safe for face?
If I have a 8 oz of water with the carbopol how much grams of pvp do I put to get and extra hold ?
It depends on what you are trying to make. If you're trying to make a
hair pomade, a gelling thickener may not be your best bet and may be why
you're getting flakes. Most water-based pomades contain oils and waxes
to thicken it rather than something like carbopol. PVP is usually added
at about 5%. Hope this helps.
So does this mean carbomer can only be used in a product with a final PH of 7? How do we make skincare at 5.5 using carbomer then?
It's not that carbomer loses its thickening properties completely at a pH of 5.5, but it is reduced somewhat. The lower the pH the less thickening effect. If you want to use a similar thickener for a low-pH product we recommend to use GelMaker Powder (www.makingcosmetics.com/GelMaker%C2%AE-Powder_p_948.html)
How the hair Styling Wax is Made
You can find recipes here: www.makingcosmetics.com/Hair-Styling-Formulas_ep_92.html
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What is TA
Triethanolamine (www.makingcosmetics.com/Triethanolamine_p_280.html)
Hello, Can i use (CAS 9004-65-3) Hypromellose instead of CARBOMER POLYMER 940 in Sanitizing hand gel?
We haven't tested Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose for that purpose, but it may work.
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hi i made wine gel with carbomer and wine in place of water and it was quiet thivk.and transparent. but when i add essential oil with polysorbate 20 and phenoxy ethanol the gel becomes opaque. how to get a clear gel?
Once oils and an emulsifier are added to the water, an emulsion is formed which almost always turns the mixture to an opaque gel. There is no way to make it clear again.
Because I added 3 grams and it givin me flakes
Thank you for Posting this Video -- I just did that and am using it for making a Cloning Gel -- with IBA
and also how long would you say this base lasts without a preservative?
Without a preservative about 4-5 days.
Hi~ I would like to know what body safe chemical can be used to make essential oil and water for example clear. Trying to make a clear linen spray. Thank you~
Polysorbate 20 is a very popular solubilizer for essential oils for example, and it gives pretty clear to slightly hazy solutions. However the higher content of essential oils the higher the chance it will get a bit cloudy. Use the polysorbate 20 in proportion to the essential oils - eg. if using 0.5% essential oils use 0.5% polysorbate 20 solubilizer.
I appreciate your response~ thank you!
If i add citric acid to balance ph of my lotion n add this gel...will this gel turn to water?
I can tell you are you manufacturers