Comparison of Original & Reproduction 1853 Enfield Rifles
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Here I do a quick layman's comparison of the Pedersoli P53 3 band Enfield with an original example from Parker, Field and Sons.
Here is the Cap & Ball video I mentioned:
• The Pedersoli Enfield ...
Here is this Parker, Field and Sons being demonstrated by the previous owner:
• Shooting An Original 1...
According to Major F. Myatt's "The illustrated encyclopedia of 19th century firearms" the Enfields stocks in production were shortened by about one inch from 1859 onwards. While his work must be considered a broad overview over a very great topic rather than some very in depth research work (and therefor isn't always accurate), it still gives a hint that there at least must have been two types of Enfield stocks in existence - the measure statet also matches your findings - so my guess is that Pedersoli probably must have copied a post 1859 production Enfield and your Parker+sons original must either have been produced pre 1859 or both types of stocks must have been produced in parallel for a certain amount of time.
The same information is contained in "British Military Longarms 1715-1865" by D W Bailey (Arms and Armour Press 1986). He states that 3rd and 4th model P53's produced at Enfield after December 1859 had the shorter butt (13ins rather than the previous 14ins). Those produced by contractors such as The London Armoury Company had the longer butt. It seems, as you say, that Pedersoli must have had an Enfield model produced after 1859.
In my view the 'Parker' hammer looks stouter/heavier. You have to remember however that there were many makers manufacturing these rifles to a Government pattern, mostly in Birmingham & London. Some parts were made by only a few small artisans & bought in from them by said (gun) makers. Remember also that it was only when Colt opened up in Vauxhall south London that truly interchangeable components made on 'modern' cutting edge production lines occurred.
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Cap and Ball used the Euroarms version for comparison, not the Armi-Sport. FYI
I think armi-sport is just the import name for euroarms.
I've been told by my War of Northern Aggression reenactment friends Parker & Sons is an exact copy of a P53 type 4 Parker used the same tooling but for a rifle that never made it to the South but the Pedersoli is a type 2 or 3 and this is why they use Pedersoli at reenactments, but also the Pedersoli has been made for years Parker only made a limited run...
Parker Hale not Parker & Sons. Parker Hale did copy the Type 4 using the original machinery for their reproduction. The Parker Hale has progressive depth rifling just like the originals while Pedersoli has constant depth rifling. Both the Parker Hale and the Pedersoli versions use the same twist rate and style of rifling.
@@incognito_1111 hey thanks a lot for the information I appreciate your knowledge of the subject.. I do love black powder firearms.. I sold my 1863 Springfield and looking for something nice... Thanks again my friend..
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The ignition vent on the original should angle straight into the charge, while the Pedersoli is at a right angle. Pedersoli also has a screw that allows you to pick clean the vent, and that's definitely incorrect. I heard there were so many complaints that Pedersoli quit that, but they didn't correct the angle of the vent. This makes ignition of the Pedersoli not as reliable or quick as the original and some other reproductions. If all you're doing is shooting blanks then you're okay, but if you want to do precision target shooting you'd better get a different make and probably upgrade the barrel.
I have the Pedersoli P53. I knew the half-cock hammer position was low, but it's illuminating to see one beside an original to see just how low it is. I've never had a misfire due to a light strike, mind you (or any misfire for that matter), so it's only a "problem" inasmuch as it's a slight annoyance.
I cast smooth sided .566 Pritchetts from a N.O.E. mold as well as the baseplugs, and wrap them in replica 1855 Enfield cartridges, and dip the bullet "patch" area of the cartridge paper in SPG lube. I shoot those same cartridges in my Euroarms J.P. Murray (Columbus) Carbine .577, as well.
There's something about the 1861 spiringfield rifle mine is bright steel just like the Originals...
Beautiful original
Pedersoli Quality sucks.
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It is supposed to be one of the best high quality muskets out there tho.
I have two Pedersolis, one Enfield P53 and a P58 and I can say the built quality sucks.Hacked together guns with no love. Don't know how they shoot, but I bet better than they look. Just look at the front of the rifle beneath the barrel that brass piece, how much play there is between it and the barrel on the Pedersoli and how well it fits on a gun that is over 150 years older, there's almost no gap. On my 58 they drilled the hole for the rear sight crooked through the rear sight base. Result is a crooked rear sight blade. Should have brought them back to the dealer but at that time they were the only available Enfield rifles for me. I could write an essay about both my rifles but I rather keep it short - they are not worth the money.
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Oh, I've heard many say they are the best musket. Have you any experience armi-sport muskets?
PrawnBalls there was probably a lot more hand fitting done on original rifles vs new ones being put together with machine made parts and very little hand fitting I'm sure.
Yep, that's one of the reasons.
First off, the Enfield was caliber .577, the Springfield's where .58 caliber. Springfield's could use Enfield ammo, cause it was a tad smaller. But Springfield ammo was a tad to big in diameter to use in a Enfield. As for the hammer, looks like the nipple on the original might be worn down. That new made model, is a very good copy.
Check out FTG. For The Glory video here on You Tube. This guy shows British Army musketry how it was done without biting on the cartridge paper on the 9 or 10 step drill loading procedure. But British Muzzleloaders is the master. Check out the difference. I am getting a Pedersoli 3 band P53 in the future for myself. Twenty five years ago I ordered a P53 Enfield from Dixie Gun Works, I forget who made it. For the hell of it just to shoot black powder. At that time a friend who was a Civil War reenactor had an original made by London Tower correct me if I am wrong. But his rifle was getting old and his stock was getting old and he didn't really shoot it much and had to borrow a repro rifle for real shooting. When I got mine I had the everything for it which I got from Dixie. I took my friend out with me to give me shooting advice. We were popping 45 inch steel gongs at 400 yards from a shooting bench. I was surprised just using 60 grains of Du Pont 4F fine black powder, and .577 Minie tallow waxed bullet. It shot just as accurate like my WWII vintage Czech VZ 1924 at that range with only a one notch in elevation. After shooting it for about a year and banging gongs and targets. My friend wanted this rifle very bad because it was so accurate. So I relented and sold it to him. I am more of a military bolt action and modern semi-auto battle rifle guy. I did take my P53 to the range to make comparisons or just surprise other shooters that an old muzzleloader can be deadly at modern combat ranges. I had fun with it. But now I want to have that fun again.
How about the twist rate ?
Great video. Thanks for making this. My Pedersoli Enfield comes tomorrow! Can't wait!
You forgot to show the left side of the rifles with the square ears of the lockplate washers. Also, the screw head of the barrel bands is always on the left side of the rifle, same side as the 2 screws of the lock plate so it's all quicker to assemble and dissassemble
I am purchasing a reproduction .650 Enfield percussion musket. Can you tell me if it is safe to fire a reproduction rifle. Thanks, Rob.
Hey Rob, the Pedersoli I show here is a reproduction and it is completely safe to shoot. I have shot minie balls out of both of these. Research online who made the reproduction you are looking at to be sure it is designed to be fired, as many are NON-FIRING display muskets. Understand that most reenactors probably don't ever fire actual projectiles from their muskets. They just use precussion caps with black powder alone when in reenactments. So just because a reenactor says he "shoots" his reproduction doesn't automatically mean he shoots lead projectiles out of his. Be sure to confirm whether he is just firing powder or means he has fired ball when getting input on what makes are good shooters.
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The original looks like it’s had some work done :(
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If you were looking to buy an original P53 and a salesperson you dont know shows you one. How would you tell its the real thing and not some replica of recent years ?
look at the wear and tear of the gun. Plus the markings.
Yes look for markings on the stock normally on the bottom of the stock
Also, pull the lock plate off. On my Euroarms it's obvious the recessed pocket was cut with an end mill. It also had numbers paint penned for each part as I assume they were hand fitted.
I’m eagerly awaiting some range footage of those beautiful guns, keep up the good work.
Why did they blue the barrel's I thought they were bright steel....
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excellent video! Well made and very informative! Well done!j
Whats older reproduction go for
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Does the orignal fire?
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I'm pretty sure that hight thing is a myth. We were all just about the same size as we are today. Even in medieval Europe people were just a few inches shorter than today. Just like 3-4 inches shorter on average. There was never a huge difference in hight as far as I know.