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I´m german and I really appreaciate that in this show they casted actors who spek german fluently to portray the german population and soldiers. In nearly every us war movie and even in band of brothers the germans are always played by actors with strong american accents saying and shouting sentences no german would ever say. But in the scenes in this episode everything seems extremly authentic. Cheers to the casting director.
That's good to know. I felt in this episode that the German guards often felt cartoonish and overly aggressive, and things were not played nearly 'mundane' enough. Seems like the routine of moving prisoners would make them all rather disinterested and almost bored rather than angry.
@@scottwatrousI think they did a pretty decent job with the Luftwaffe guard portrayals in the next episode since they were more so the calmer bunch of the military. Outside of the searches they didn't really seem too interested in just being aggressive
The scene in the bombed out city is based on the Russenheim massacre in 1944. 8 americans from a B24 bomber were forced to walk through a town to another train station after the tracks they were on were destroyed by canadian bombing. only 2 guards. 6 of them were killed by an angry mob and 2 escaped from the cart of bodies. We dont know if Egan experienced something similar but it was a worry for airmen that something like this could happen
My mother's uncle was captured at Tobruk June 1942. He spent the rest of the war as a POW. (3 year) While Allied prisoners were treated by the Geneva convention initially. As the war reduced German's ability to feed its own population, rations for POW's was also limited. He also took part in a death march from Poland to Germany as the Russians approached. When he was rescued at war's end he was skin and bones and suffering from diseases. It took months for him to recover enough to go home. Funny story my Grandparents told me about his POW experience. Around Christmas prisoners received Red Cross goodies boxes from family. Everyone had to donate something from their boxes to the Christmas meal. In my Great Uncle's box was a large can of apricot jam. Very irritated at receiving a jam he disliked, he handed over the tin. To his horror when it was opened it was full of biltong (spiced dried meat). An absolute favourite of anyone raised in South Africa.
That scene of them getting attacked while walking through that town was absolutely terrifying. Imagine how absolutely terrified and scared those men must have been in that hell…..
The Luftwaffe Interrogaters were very smart in their techniques and the way he spoke to bucky was very accurate from historical accounts. the way they got information without the prisoner realising they gave the information was an art form in itself. The was one well known account of a POW being given his file by an interrorgator and he opened it up and went white as a sheet. inside his file the germans had was a copy of all his high school report cards from america.
They had all that information on American and even British bomber pilots and crew becuase since the end of WW1 Germany had been flooding the US and England with spies ir had been recruiting German nationlist already living in the States who were still loyal to the "Fatherland. The incident you mentioned set off a large FBI Ivestigation into German spies in the US. the airman who that happened to wrote home about it, somehow it got past the German censors, and his parents reported it to the Army who turned it over to the FBI.
I saw that interview. Talk about a mind you know what if they had your school report card. Even Bucky, who said he wouldn’t divulge information, gave up that he liked baseball, with Yankees as his favorite team. That could then be used in the next interrogation. “Major Egan was a Yankees fan, it’s okay to talk, he did” type of thing.
@todddober I read some accounts from the British perspective of early interrogators. They were sneaky then as well. Not as knowledgeable then but still insight into how it developed further
@@jameswg13 One, Hanns Scharff, basically wrote the post war US book on the art of interrogation. Some techniques are still used to this day. They never used force to coerce airmen, counter to the Gestapo, but were even more effective. Amazing.
@@jameswg13 I a lot of them went to college in the US or England or were German Nationalists who lived in the US or England before the war and went back to Germany to fight for the "Fatherland". There is a good UA-cam channel I watch after I watch some of these historical shows. Reel History. The man is a history professor and has written several books and he breaks down the historical facts about the shows. He does extensive research before hand. For an example of his research, when reviewing this episode, he knew the name of the German officer who interrogated Bucky. You should check it out if you don't know about it.
The German interrogator knew so much about Buck and Bucky because he had a copy of the New York Times newspaper (and other American papers) which featured Buck and Bucky in an article about their exploits.
This was the most artistic episode of the show, IMHO. Everyone begins the episode feeling alone, and by the end, they see they aren't. Even the choice of the Woody Guthrie song 'Tear The Fascists Down' focuses on everyone being in the struggle together.
Rosenthal was a qualified lawyer in civilian life and jewish so i love these conversations he was having with the Doctor. you can sort of see the Lawyer come out.
Rosie’s story is so interesting and credit to Nate Mann who’s been amazing on this show. One day I hope these guys also react to the Hollywood classic “Judgment at Nuremberg” (1961).
Crosby wrote in his book that he never did find out what she did. Her real name was Wingate not Westgate as in the show. They became close friends. She must have had some job in British intelligence I agree. I thought she may have worked for SOE Section 2, the british women who went into occupied France as radio operators to help spy and help the French Resistence. But all of those women amd their fate have been documented and you can get thier names online. She was not on the list.
I agree. I think she was sent to the conference to investigate what the professors were speaking about. Communist sympathizers were rampant in England at the time and universities did (and still do) harbor those beliefs. Later on the come across a party (which I think she knew was happening) the song the woman is singing is praising the Soviets and Chinese confirming to me it was a communist group and she was sent to get tabs on what was going on.
@@ryanhampson673 that's a good assumption. but the song the woman was singing "Tear the Fascists down" was not a communist sympathizer song. It was an American Folk Song written and performed by American Folk Singer Woodrow Guthrie (who also wrote This Land is Your Land). It became very popular during WW2 in the US and the UK. It speaks to the unity of the Allied nations during WW2 (The US, UK, Russia, and China who were fighting against the Japanese. China was not yet a Communist Country. They kind of put their Civil War on hold to unite against the Japanese. The country was split into the Soviet Zone, the Communist, and the Liberated Zone, the Chinese Nationalist. Of course, it was a lot more complicated than that, but that's the simple gest of it ) to put an end to the Nazi regime of Germany and the end of the Japanese Empire.
The Subaltern not revealing her posting I think is meant to imply she works for Intelligence, or possibly she's stationed at Bletchley Park, the now famous codebreaking facility.
Thats what I picked up on pretty quick too, and her time spent with Harry was maybe a sense of normalcy away from all the hushhush intel stuff ...or a strategic decision to monitor airmen and see if they were leaking sensitive info away from their bases? Im sure we'll find out in future episodes since they spent too much time on her character not to follow up.
When the German Luftwaffle pilot interrogating Bucky said he would look into the incident in town where the townspeople murdered to Amsricans,.a real incident but didn't happen to Bucky, he was not just trying to appease Bucky The German Luftwaffle who did those interrogations had respect for the American and British crews because they shared similar experiences Himmler, late in the war, issued a General order that all Gerrman citizens and local police and military were to execute downed American and Brirish flyers, the German Luftwaffle ignored the order and took them prisoner instead
Flack houses were residential estates or resorts that the owners turned over to the Red Cross for American pilots to use when they were at the breaking point.
26:11 Actually his first mission was the one where Buck went missing. He then flew another mission the next day and then the following day was his 3rd mission which was the one where he was on his own.
The Luftwaffe pilot interrogating Egan was known for going out of his way to avoid force, coercion and torture to obtain information from downed fliers. Even AFTER orders came from the German brass to do so. He made friends from them, made sure they were taken care of, even gave them news from home. After the war, he testified against several high-ranking German officials, aiding in their convictions. After that, he moved to America where he worked as a consultant for the FBI and wrote THE book on interrogation tactics.
Rosie's first mission was the one where Buck got shot down and his friend Nash died. Not the Muenster mission where his fort was the only one to return. It was stated during the talk with the doctor.
he character of sandra was real in the ATC but her name was changed per her familys request her real name was Alexandra Wingate. the way her role is alluded too likely communications, or possibly a Bletchley park code breaker. A role so secretive it wasnt declassified till decades later
@@SpitFir3Tornadoshe wouldn’t say she lived near Bletchley, as that would likely give away more than she should. Also, Bletchley isn’t too far from London. You can visit it as a day trip from central London on the train. It’s a fabulous place.
@@vickster5001 That just doesn't stand up to reason. She has no reason to lie about where she lives, there are forces stationed all over the country, her being in Bletchley lets on no more than her being in London.
@SpitFir3Tornado except she didn't say she lived in London just that crosby could call her next time he was in London making London easy to access for her. Bletchley wasn't too far away and the were many reasons not to say lived in Bletchley security wise
@@jameswg13 The theory doesn't make any sense. You can keep saying it does but it doesn't. There are armed forces everywhere, it would not be some sort of security reason she couldn't say she lived in Bletchley or even so somewhere adjacent. If you keep watching the show it will become evident your theory is not correct.
The mission where Rosie was the only one that made it back was his 3rd mission not his first. His first mission was the mission buck got shot down on. The mission where he was the only one that made it back was the last mission he was on before they sent him to that retreat for rest and relaxation
My next-door neighbour was captured in Norway and spent five years as a prisoner of war. When he got home in 1945 his wife had died in 1943 and he didn't know.
Bucky didn't actually go through what they showed but there were multiple murders concerning American airman and German civilians. This shows an incident that did occur in another town when a train moving POW's couldn't get through because of British night bombing so they matched them through the town and several Americans were murdered by an overzealous air warden. This was a story decision that started back when Bucky saw the bombing in London to add a bit of historical slightly out of context to make a point.
Hi, I have two movie recommendations for you two (if you have not seen them previously) pertaining to the Two Bucks being in the Prison Camp. 1. The Great Escape (1963). This event occurred in the camp where the Bucks are imprisoned, but was primarily confined to the British section of the Camp. It was made in the 1960's and had an impressive all star cast for the time: Steve McQueen, James Garner, Richard Attenborough, and Charles Bronson to name a few... 2. Stallag 17 (1953). This a more fictional movie, but was a great look into what life was like for the POW's in Germany in WWII. The premise is an American POW who is running the Black Market in a German POW Camp is accused by the other Prisoners of being an informant after two fellow prisoners are killed trying to escape.
The Great Escape, though heavily fictionalised, is still one of the greatest POW movies ever made. The real story is every bit as fascinating as the Hollywood version.
Austin Butler said that in talking to the family of his character, Buck Cleven, as well as the family of Bucky, Buck actually said “What took you so long” when they saw each other. What a story! Thanks for your review!
you both have made my early spring so much better! Been waiting 6 years for your "the ones who live" reaction. that was so awesome! Band of Brothers The Pacific and this show are very special to me. i was so happy to see you guys reacting to this "live" (or as it comes out). Steve thank you as always for your hard work🙏
Sagan was German city, but now it's in Poland, called Żagań, 40 km from border with Germany and Czech republic. So in that time it was located in eastern Germany. Germans lost those territory after war to Poland. In Żagań you can still visit Stalag Luft III and museum of Military Prison Camps. There is also base of many Polish army units.
Highly recommend short documentary “Ghosts of Bataan.” My mom’s uncle was a Philippine Scout and Bataan Death March survivor. American POWs under the Japanese experienced the most inhumane treatment and hellish conditions of WW2. As much as possible, I like to keep the memory alive of The Battling Bastards of Bataan. Their heroism and courage under captivity should never be forgotten.
Analogous situation: Early in the American Civil War Union Troops were coming south by train but the B&O tracks were not continuous through Baltimore, so the troops had to leave one train and walk to through Baltimore to the next station. Pro-confederate crowds surrounded them and the resulting violence became known as the Pratt Street Riots.
Thought for sure Buck died. Didn't read up on the history because of spoilers, but I thought for sure he was dead. Massive "fuck yeah" moment at the end for me.
Trauma Therapist here -- it's good to see depictions of combat increasingly committed to showing the cost of war, a trend that 'Saving Private Ryan' ushered in. Tom Hanks has through SPR, BoB, TP, and now MoTA, has greatly contributed to public awareness of and support for the psychological toll of war -- and to a greater extent, mental health in general. Shocking to think as recently as Vietnam PTSD wasn't validated and such men were written off as weak or drunks. Interestingly, this episode also shows the psychological similarities of both therapy and (hostile) interrogation. Both work towards accessing information via emotional management, in one case for the healing release of things subconsciously avoided and the other for countering resistance to sharing information consciously kept safe. The mechanism and medium are similar, the intent not at all.
POW treatment during WW2 REALLY varies depending on which theater you're talking about. In the Western Threater (Germany and Italy vs Britain and USA) the treatment of POW's on the whole was pretty good. It wasn't perfect mind, you still have incidents like the one we saw in Band of Brothers where allied soldiers would kill POWs and the same happened to them especially during the Battle of the Bulge where there were documented SS massacres of American troops they overran. But MOSTLY, any captured German or American would be treated pretty well by their captors at least until food and supplies started drying up in the late stages of the war. In the Eastern Front it was a MUCH Different story. Neither Germany nor the Soviet Union had any intention of keeping any live prisoners that could be traded back to their home countries. Survival rates of POWs on both sides was very very low. Soldiers that were taken as prisoner were starved, and left to freeze in the harsh environment of winter in Eastern Europe. Germany would take hundreds of thousands of prisoners at a time during the first few months of the invasion and sources I've seen say that less than 1/3 of these men taken prisoner would survive the war, it gets worse when there are stories that some of the men that actually escaped German capture were then executed by their own Soviet commanders as deserters. Just absolutely horrific total war status for prisoners in that theater. In the Pacific. Well. We saw what those conditions were like. The Japanese didn't really believe in taking prisoners, and they brutalized, tortured and mutilated MANY of the soldiers and marines they captured. Japanese soldiers in turn would usually fight to the death rather than be captured. American troops knowing this, didn't really try too hard to take prisoners even if they could. In the Chinese theater, it was pretty much the same as the Eastern Theater of Europe, except perhaps even worse.
My uncle was with the 84th infantry division (Railsplitters) he said the SS in the bulge would beat the u s soldiers they would capture is not massacre them
Westgate is most certainly British intelligence. My theory is she was sent to the conference to listen to the goings on with the other Allie’s as well as to see what the professors were talking about. University’s were and still are locations of possible “radical” thoughts in the eyes of the government. What sealed the deal for me was later when they “happen” across a party and go inside. Listen to the song the woman is singing. “The brave Soviet Union and Chinese fighting the fascists.” It was a communist group and she was sent to investigate.
Hey y’all, I hope your both doing great I’m not sure if you have seen or done a reaction to these movies yet but they are full of comedy and some other stuff the movies are called Grown Ups (2010) and Grown Ups 2 (2013) these movies have Adam Sandler side fact about this movies one of the actors in this movie died young his name is Cameron Boyce he plays Keithie Feder he never got to finish making the movie descendants 3
Please review "Winter Soldier OD's on METH, Becomes Unkillable - Aimo Koivunen" from the Fat Electrician. Everyone seems to review his newer stuff, but he has a lot of older videos that are also very worthy.
So, I was watching your reaction to episode 6 and then I saw another reactors reaction to episode 2 and then it hit me. In the scene where they are at the bar semi-arguing with the British pilots, they mention that Bucky is a a Yankees fan. There could easily be spies at the bars and they are just gathering information. Bucky and Buck would fit the bill for why they would want information on them because of their rank and command position. I don’t remember if Bucky told that woman he slept with where he was from, but he very easily could have. Most of their info could easily be gotten by spies.
I feel like Crosby's English friend was actually our late Queen Elizabeth the 2nd, as she actually did serve during the war, and when the other guy said that everyone was looking for her, and look me up when you're in London..of course I could be wrong.. Another great episode, but again hard to Watch, especially as you know that these events actually happened..😔🇬🇧🇺🇲
Nice idea but the (then) Princess Elizabeth would not have been at such a gathering. Others in the comments have pointed out the real identity of the woman, her name was changed for the show.
The fighters are being redesigned and drop tanks are being used and tested at this time! Gen. Jimmy Doolittle with take command of the 8th Air Force and turned the fighters lose on the Luftwaffe. The 4th FG flying P51s and the 56th FG flying P47s turned the tide of the air war over western Europe starting in early 1944
The Red tails flew in Italy with the 15th not the 8th Air Force. Some of the main fighter groups in in the 8th were the 4th fighter group and 56th fighter group. ALL had impressive combat records! @@kvoltti
@@squint04 All the fighters at the beginning of World War Two from the United States were not capable even with drop fuel tanks to make to Germany and back where the factories were, it wasn't till P 47 and P 51 with drop tanks came to Europe that they had support from beginning to end of missions. Both My Father and one uncle fought in World War Two. I am a former Sergeant in the United States Army.
Homework Assignment 🙂search for this article online!!!! "The Real Aerial Battles That Inspired Star Wars Born one year before the end of World War II, George Lucas turned a boyhood fascination into a space epic." Most people don't know the inspiration behind the Star Wars space battles!
The kid didn't call out when he saw Bucky because he was worried about getting into trouble, unlike the bomber crews in earlier episodes who were shot down over Belgium and had help, Bucky was shot down over Germany. The kids were doing their patriotic duty. Bucky was their enemy. Also the Americans and Britsh had been bombing the hell out of their country for at least a couple of years, so yeah they were not going to help an American bomber pilot
Because us brits don’t do any yank bashing at all do we? As former military i can say that it happens in all forces around the world, mostly tongue in cheek banter in my experience but some serious as well. They knock us, we knock them, human nature and especially military nature. Hell, we rip the P out of our own service arms depending on who you serve with 😅
@@dougmoodie8713 But ALL they show regarding the RAF in this series is negative. There is zero balance. At it again in Episode 7 "The Brits finally hit something". They even airbrush the RAF out of history "there are only Americans in Stalag Luft III" and no mention that the Great Escape was RAF planned and executed and no USAAF did the escaping. Im sorry but these American productions like Saving Private Ryan, Band of Brothers, The Pacific and now this new series repeatedly shit on their allies. And it's not "banter".
@@lyndoncmp5751 there’s the magic sentence, American made films and series, coincidentally about American units that have no real British unit connection so why should they give us British any love. I’ve seen plenty of British films that show the Americans in unfavourable terms , and we have to remember that we have the historical knowledge that they didn’t have in that era. The British officer giving Crosby grief about the yanks abroad wasn’t exactly nice was it? But it happened in both directions, that’s a historical fact. My dad was British airborne in WW2, and they were often moaning about the yanks and their strange ways same as they moaned about ours, but there was always a deep respect for each others wartime exploits. I seem to remember Buck Cleven changing his mind and agreeing with the R.a.F officer that daylight raids were suicidal in episode 2 I think. What bothers me more at the moment is the approach of the D day 80th anniversary and the way the French seem to be making it all about the US and no one else, festivals planned etc, that’s wrong and we keep fighting it every year. Documentaries talking about how the US won the war on its own etc, that’s the real threat, not these historical series that are based on true stories and use changes for drama purposes.
@@dougmoodie8713 Who's talking about love though? Im merely talking about not shitting on their allies with stereotypical silliness and historical misrepresentations. Again and again. Where is the 'respect' for ALLIED cousins. These productions do not have any, unless its a female about to get laid. All British military men are either snooty arseholes, incompetent or in need of saving. The Aussies got shafted the same in the Pacific. Your last sentence is pertinent. Watching these American productions people get the impression it WAS the Americans who won the war... and their allies just got in the way stumbling and bumbling. Masters of the Air gives exactly that impression. Take that excruciating dialogue in Saving Private Ryan "ya gotta take Caen before ya can take St Lo" (after the obligatory Monty bashing) . That's complete historical nonsense. Each town was in two different directions and an independent objective by different armies. The Americans had their own problems with St Lo. The bushes of the Bocage. The Americans not moving on St Lo was the fault of the British for not taking Caen, according to the dialogue in SPR. Then to cap it all, SPR goes and steals the Tigers that the British were facing at Villers Bocage and shows the Americans stopping them in the Cotentin Peninsula. The Americans never faced Tigers in Normandy. They were all in the Caen sector. In Band of Brothers they groan when Montgomery is mentioned, regardless of the fact that the real life Richard Winters admired him and said he was "the real deal, an example to follow". The less said about the bumbling British tankers in episode 4 (real life B Squadron, 44th Royal Tank Regiment lead by Lt Benton's troop) the better. Yes I'm sure US paras knew better how to take on German armour more than the vastly more experienced 44th RTR did. Sigh. Totally agree with the part about the French, but what should we expect when people today are influenced by what they see on their screens, and American productions like these going worldwide with their skewed portrayals? Since Saving Private Ryan came out, people worldwide including the French, focus more on the Americans in Normandy. Regardless of the fact that the British and Canadians were taking on most of the best divisions including 80% of the German armour. Cheers anyway. Best wishes. ✌
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I´m german and I really appreaciate that in this show they casted actors who spek german fluently to portray the german population and soldiers. In nearly every us war movie and even in band of brothers the germans are always played by actors with strong american accents saying and shouting sentences no german would ever say. But in the scenes in this episode everything seems extremly authentic. Cheers to the casting director.
That's good to know. I felt in this episode that the German guards often felt cartoonish and overly aggressive, and things were not played nearly 'mundane' enough. Seems like the routine of moving prisoners would make them all rather disinterested and almost bored rather than angry.
@@scottwatrousI think they did a pretty decent job with the Luftwaffe guard portrayals in the next episode since they were more so the calmer bunch of the military.
Outside of the searches they didn't really seem too interested in just being aggressive
no one really care about nazi except you buddy...
Buck Cleven did actually say that to Egan when he saw him "what took you so long"
The scene in the bombed out city is based on the Russenheim massacre in 1944. 8 americans from a B24 bomber were forced to walk through a town to another train station after the tracks they were on were destroyed by canadian bombing. only 2 guards. 6 of them were killed by an angry mob and 2 escaped from the cart of bodies. We dont know if Egan experienced something similar but it was a worry for airmen that something like this could happen
Wait cleven died?
@williamhuynh3574 what no where the Heck did you get that from my comment ?
@@williamhuynh3574 no?
I’m certain the same would have happened to German airmen had they been downed on Bethnal Green Rd on a bombing night
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My mother's uncle was captured at Tobruk June 1942.
He spent the rest of the war as a POW. (3 year)
While Allied prisoners were treated by the Geneva convention initially.
As the war reduced German's ability to feed its own population, rations for POW's was also limited.
He also took part in a death march from Poland to Germany as the Russians approached.
When he was rescued at war's end he was skin and bones and suffering from diseases.
It took months for him to recover enough to go home.
Funny story my Grandparents told me about his POW experience.
Around Christmas prisoners received Red Cross goodies boxes from family.
Everyone had to donate something from their boxes to the Christmas meal.
In my Great Uncle's box was a large can of apricot jam.
Very irritated at receiving a jam he disliked, he handed over the tin.
To his horror when it was opened it was full of biltong (spiced dried meat).
An absolute favourite of anyone raised in South Africa.
That scene of them getting attacked while walking through that town was absolutely terrifying. Imagine how absolutely terrified and scared those men must have been in that hell…..
The Luftwaffe Interrogaters were very smart in their techniques and the way he spoke to bucky was very accurate from historical accounts. the way they got information without the prisoner realising they gave the information was an art form in itself. The was one well known account of a POW being given his file by an interrorgator and he opened it up and went white as a sheet. inside his file the germans had was a copy of all his high school report cards from america.
They had all that information on American and even British bomber pilots and crew becuase since the end of WW1 Germany had been flooding the US and England with spies ir had been recruiting German nationlist already living in the States who were still loyal to the "Fatherland.
The incident you mentioned set off a large FBI Ivestigation into German spies in the US. the airman who that happened to wrote home about it, somehow it got past the German censors, and his parents reported it to the Army who turned it over to the FBI.
I saw that interview. Talk about a mind you know what if they had your school report card.
Even Bucky, who said he wouldn’t divulge information, gave up that he liked baseball, with Yankees as his favorite team. That could then be used in the next interrogation. “Major Egan was a Yankees fan, it’s okay to talk, he did” type of thing.
@todddober I read some accounts from the British perspective of early interrogators. They were sneaky then as well. Not as knowledgeable then but still insight into how it developed further
@@jameswg13 One, Hanns Scharff, basically wrote the post war US book on the art of interrogation. Some techniques are still used to this day. They never used force to coerce airmen, counter to the Gestapo, but were even more effective. Amazing.
@@jameswg13 I a lot of them went to college in the US or England or were German Nationalists who lived in the US or England before the war and went back to Germany to fight for the "Fatherland".
There is a good UA-cam channel I watch after I watch some of these historical shows. Reel History. The man is a history professor and has written several books and he breaks down the historical facts about the shows. He does extensive research before hand. For an example of his research, when reviewing this episode, he knew the name of the German officer who interrogated Bucky.
You should check it out if you don't know about it.
The German interrogator knew so much about Buck and Bucky because he had a copy of the New York Times newspaper (and other American papers) which featured Buck and Bucky in an article about their exploits.
The Germans had spies in the US as well.
This was the most artistic episode of the show, IMHO. Everyone begins the episode feeling alone, and by the end, they see they aren't. Even the choice of the Woody Guthrie song 'Tear The Fascists Down' focuses on everyone being in the struggle together.
Rosenthal was a qualified lawyer in civilian life and jewish so i love these conversations he was having with the Doctor. you can sort of see the Lawyer come out.
Rosie’s story is so interesting and credit to Nate Mann who’s been amazing on this show. One day I hope these guys also react to the Hollywood classic “Judgment at Nuremberg” (1961).
The lady is for sure either an Intelligence officer or a code breaker at Bletchley Park
Crosby wrote in his book that he never did find out what she did. Her real name was Wingate not Westgate as in the show. They became close friends.
She must have had some job in British intelligence I agree. I thought she may have worked for SOE Section 2, the british women who went into occupied France as radio operators to help spy and help the French Resistence. But all of those women amd their fate have been documented and you can get thier names online. She was not on the list.
I agree. I think she was sent to the conference to investigate what the professors were speaking about. Communist sympathizers were rampant in England at the time and universities did (and still do) harbor those beliefs. Later on the come across a party (which I think she knew was happening) the song the woman is singing is praising the Soviets and Chinese confirming to me it was a communist group and she was sent to get tabs on what was going on.
@@ryanhampson673 that's a good assumption. but the song the woman was singing "Tear the Fascists down" was not a communist sympathizer song. It was an American Folk Song written and performed by American Folk Singer Woodrow Guthrie (who also wrote This Land is Your Land). It became very popular during WW2 in the US and the UK.
It speaks to the unity of the Allied nations during WW2 (The US, UK, Russia, and China who were fighting against the Japanese. China was not yet a Communist Country. They kind of put their Civil War on hold to unite against the Japanese. The country was split into the Soviet Zone, the Communist, and the Liberated Zone, the Chinese Nationalist. Of course, it was a lot more complicated than that, but that's the simple gest of it ) to put an end to the Nazi regime of Germany and the end of the Japanese Empire.
Please don’t make me wait that long again for the next episode! Love yalls points of view watching these!
Crosby was doing an impression of Tracey from the movie test pilot a late 1930's movie which inspired many to join the air force
In his book, Crosby talked about doing exactly that, only totally naked other than his hat!
The Subaltern not revealing her posting I think is meant to imply she works for Intelligence, or possibly she's stationed at Bletchley Park, the now famous codebreaking facility.
Thats what I picked up on pretty quick too, and her time spent with Harry was maybe a sense of normalcy away from all the hushhush intel stuff ...or a strategic decision to monitor airmen and see if they were leaking sensitive info away from their bases? Im sure we'll find out in future episodes since they spent too much time on her character not to follow up.
"Subaltern"?
When the German Luftwaffle pilot interrogating Bucky said he would look into the incident in town where the townspeople murdered to Amsricans,.a real incident but didn't happen to Bucky, he was not just trying to appease Bucky
The German Luftwaffle who did those interrogations had respect for the American and British crews because they shared similar experiences
Himmler, late in the war, issued a General order that all Gerrman citizens and local police and military were to execute downed American and Brirish flyers, the German Luftwaffle ignored the order and took them prisoner instead
I found the guy interrogating Bucky so interesting to watch.
He’s the lead in the Netflix German series Dark and he’s such a brilliant young actor.
@@vickster5001 I haven’t watched that yet! I’ve heard great things about it though. I’ll definitely have to check it out.
That's why I recognized him!
@@victoriac4317 please do. It's hand down one of the best tv shows I've ever watched. Higly recommended from a friendly internet stranger
The real-life character he portrayed was Hanns Scharff. There is a Wikipedia article about him.
Flack houses were residential estates or resorts that the owners turned over to the Red Cross for American pilots to use when they were at the breaking point.
26:11 Actually his first mission was the one where Buck went missing. He then flew another mission the next day and then the following day was his 3rd mission which was the one where he was on his own.
The Luftwaffe pilot interrogating Egan was known for going out of his way to avoid force, coercion and torture to obtain information from downed fliers. Even AFTER orders came from the German brass to do so.
He made friends from them, made sure they were taken care of, even gave them news from home.
After the war, he testified against several high-ranking German officials, aiding in their convictions. After that, he moved to America where he worked as a consultant for the FBI and wrote THE book on interrogation tactics.
And his name was Hanns Scharff. There is a Wikipedia article about him.
That's the same POW camp that the Great Escape happened at.
that Luftwaffe interregoator was a real guy as well. before the war he went to Columbia uni in the USA
Rosie's first mission was the one where Buck got shot down and his friend Nash died. Not the Muenster mission where his fort was the only one to return. It was stated during the talk with the doctor.
he character of sandra was real in the ATC but her name was changed per her familys request her real name was Alexandra Wingate. the way her role is alluded too likely communications, or possibly a Bletchley park code breaker. A role so secretive it wasnt declassified till decades later
I've seen people throw the Bletchley Park thing around and it just makes no sense. She said she lived in London not Bletchley.
@@SpitFir3Tornadoshe wouldn’t say she lived near Bletchley, as that would likely give away more than she should. Also, Bletchley isn’t too far from London. You can visit it as a day trip from central London on the train. It’s a fabulous place.
@@vickster5001 That just doesn't stand up to reason. She has no reason to lie about where she lives, there are forces stationed all over the country, her being in Bletchley lets on no more than her being in London.
@SpitFir3Tornado except she didn't say she lived in London just that crosby could call her next time he was in London making London easy to access for her. Bletchley wasn't too far away and the were many reasons not to say lived in Bletchley security wise
@@jameswg13 The theory doesn't make any sense. You can keep saying it does but it doesn't. There are armed forces everywhere, it would not be some sort of security reason she couldn't say she lived in Bletchley or even so somewhere adjacent. If you keep watching the show it will become evident your theory is not correct.
The mission where Rosie was the only one that made it back was his 3rd mission not his first. His first mission was the mission buck got shot down on. The mission where he was the only one that made it back was the last mission he was on before they sent him to that retreat for rest and relaxation
My next-door neighbour was captured in Norway and spent five years as a prisoner of war. When he got home in 1945 his wife had died in 1943 and he didn't know.
Bucky didn't actually go through what they showed but there were multiple murders concerning American airman and German civilians. This shows an incident that did occur in another town when a train moving POW's couldn't get through because of British night bombing so they matched them through the town and several Americans were murdered by an overzealous air warden. This was a story decision that started back when Bucky saw the bombing in London to add a bit of historical slightly out of context to make a point.
PERFECT timing for me to go into this app. Been looking forward to this update ☺️
This episode was brutal. The tone for this show has just been set to a whole new level.
Hi, I have two movie recommendations for you two (if you have not seen them previously) pertaining to the Two Bucks being in the Prison Camp.
1. The Great Escape (1963). This event occurred in the camp where the Bucks are imprisoned, but was primarily confined to the British section of the Camp. It was made in the 1960's and had an impressive all star cast for the time: Steve McQueen, James Garner, Richard Attenborough, and Charles Bronson to name a few...
2. Stallag 17 (1953). This a more fictional movie, but was a great look into what life was like for the POW's in Germany in WWII. The premise is an American POW who is running the Black Market in a German POW Camp is accused by the other Prisoners of being an informant after two fellow prisoners are killed trying to escape.
The Great Escape, though heavily fictionalised, is still one of the greatest POW movies ever made. The real story is every bit as fascinating as the Hollywood version.
Austin Butler said that in talking to the family of his character, Buck Cleven, as well as the family of Bucky, Buck actually said “What took you so long” when they saw each other. What a story! Thanks for your review!
you both have made my early spring so much better! Been waiting 6 years for your "the ones who live" reaction. that was so awesome! Band of Brothers The Pacific and this show are very special to me. i was so happy to see you guys reacting to this "live" (or as it comes out). Steve thank you as always for your hard work🙏
ah Stalag Luft III a very famous POW camp in British history of WW2
so fun seeing Louis Hoffman (Jonas in Dark) pop up in random things. also Bel Powley, underrated actress.
Sagan was German city, but now it's in Poland, called Żagań, 40 km from border with Germany and Czech republic. So in that time it was located in eastern Germany. Germans lost those territory after war to Poland. In Żagań you can still visit Stalag Luft III and museum of Military Prison Camps. There is also base of many Polish army units.
Easily one of the best episodes of the season. The boys are back together!
Highly recommend short documentary “Ghosts of Bataan.” My mom’s uncle was a Philippine Scout and Bataan Death March survivor. American POWs under the Japanese experienced the most inhumane treatment and hellish conditions of WW2. As much as possible, I like to keep the memory alive of The Battling Bastards of Bataan. Their heroism and courage under captivity should never be forgotten.
The Japanese did not sign the Geneva Convention. Far better to be a POW in Germany then Japan! Deepest respect to your Mom's uncle
@@squint04 thank you 🙏
I can’t think of anything more terrifying than a German screaming at me in Nazi Germany.
Analogous situation: Early in the American Civil War Union Troops were coming south by train but the B&O tracks were not continuous through Baltimore, so the troops had to leave one train and walk to through Baltimore to the next station. Pro-confederate crowds surrounded them and the resulting violence became known as the Pratt Street Riots.
Thought for sure Buck died. Didn't read up on the history because of spoilers, but I thought for sure he was dead. Massive "fuck yeah" moment at the end for me.
There was an incident where more than a hundred captured airman were simply executed after being forced to carry huge stones up a hill.
Key point of the Rosie arch was that his men needed it, if if he did not.
Addictive series!
funnily enough Buck and Bucky were at the transit camp at the same time a few doors down from each other but never realised
Isn't the Baseball talk with the interrogator basically tells Bucky that they intercepted his "code" messages when using payphone?
Coombe housse still exists its now a special school for kids suffering from a wide range of ailments.
Trauma Therapist here -- it's good to see depictions of combat increasingly committed to showing the cost of war, a trend that 'Saving Private Ryan' ushered in. Tom Hanks has through SPR, BoB, TP, and now MoTA, has greatly contributed to public awareness of and support for the psychological toll of war -- and to a greater extent, mental health in general. Shocking to think as recently as Vietnam PTSD wasn't validated and such men were written off as weak or drunks. Interestingly, this episode also shows the psychological similarities of both therapy and (hostile) interrogation. Both work towards accessing information via emotional management, in one case for the healing release of things subconsciously avoided and the other for countering resistance to sharing information consciously kept safe. The mechanism and medium are similar, the intent not at all.
Unfortunately, another trend that Saving Private Ryan ushered in was to shit on the British military and its men.
My moms father., Younger brother was a lost over Europe. He was a tail gunner on a B17. She has his box of his positions they sent back
My grandad was a WW2 airman... But a c47 pilot, and in the Pacific
Cant wait for you to see the next episode!
POW treatment during WW2 REALLY varies depending on which theater you're talking about. In the Western Threater (Germany and Italy vs Britain and USA) the treatment of POW's on the whole was pretty good. It wasn't perfect mind, you still have incidents like the one we saw in Band of Brothers where allied soldiers would kill POWs and the same happened to them especially during the Battle of the Bulge where there were documented SS massacres of American troops they overran. But MOSTLY, any captured German or American would be treated pretty well by their captors at least until food and supplies started drying up in the late stages of the war.
In the Eastern Front it was a MUCH Different story. Neither Germany nor the Soviet Union had any intention of keeping any live prisoners that could be traded back to their home countries. Survival rates of POWs on both sides was very very low. Soldiers that were taken as prisoner were starved, and left to freeze in the harsh environment of winter in Eastern Europe. Germany would take hundreds of thousands of prisoners at a time during the first few months of the invasion and sources I've seen say that less than 1/3 of these men taken prisoner would survive the war, it gets worse when there are stories that some of the men that actually escaped German capture were then executed by their own Soviet commanders as deserters. Just absolutely horrific total war status for prisoners in that theater.
In the Pacific. Well. We saw what those conditions were like. The Japanese didn't really believe in taking prisoners, and they brutalized, tortured and mutilated MANY of the soldiers and marines they captured. Japanese soldiers in turn would usually fight to the death rather than be captured. American troops knowing this, didn't really try too hard to take prisoners even if they could. In the Chinese theater, it was pretty much the same as the Eastern Theater of Europe, except perhaps even worse.
As you can see landing in a country where you’ve been bombing them for months is pretty much a death sentence
I actually like they dont 100% do historically accurate on this show. They kinda mix some stories together from different people.
Oh my god I’ve been waiting for this episode lol
finally, been waiting for this
My uncle was with the 84th infantry division (Railsplitters) he said the SS in the bulge would beat the u s soldiers they would capture is not massacre them
Westgate is most certainly British intelligence. My theory is she was sent to the conference to listen to the goings on with the other Allie’s as well as to see what the professors were talking about. University’s were and still are locations of possible “radical” thoughts in the eyes of the government. What sealed the deal for me was later when they “happen” across a party and go inside. Listen to the song the woman is singing. “The brave Soviet Union and Chinese fighting the fascists.” It was a communist group and she was sent to investigate.
Hey y’all, I hope your both doing great I’m not sure if you have seen or done a reaction to these movies yet but they are full of comedy and some other stuff the movies are called Grown Ups (2010) and Grown Ups 2 (2013) these movies have Adam Sandler side fact about this movies one of the actors in this movie died young his name is Cameron Boyce he plays Keithie Feder he never got to finish making the movie descendants 3
Stalag Luft III aka the great escape
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16:59 The german guy is not the actor from DARK?????
So, I was watching your reaction to episode 6 and then I saw another reactors reaction to episode 2 and then it hit me. In the scene where they are at the bar semi-arguing with the British pilots, they mention that Bucky is a a Yankees fan. There could easily be spies at the bars and they are just gathering information. Bucky and Buck would fit the bill for why they would want information on them because of their rank and command position. I don’t remember if Bucky told that woman he slept with where he was from, but he very easily could have. Most of their info could easily be gotten by spies.
Episode 6-7 really let me down. And I’m a huge fan of the show. Those latest episodes were painfully stagnant.
I feel like Crosby's English friend was actually our late Queen Elizabeth the 2nd, as she actually did serve during the war, and when the other guy said that everyone was looking for her, and look me up when you're in London..of course I could be wrong.. Another great episode, but again hard to Watch, especially as you know that these events actually happened..😔🇬🇧🇺🇲
More likely she worked with the code breakers with Alan Turings team. But your theory would be cool too.
Nice idea but the (then) Princess Elizabeth would not have been at such a gathering. Others in the comments have pointed out the real identity of the woman, her name was changed for the show.
What they need is long-range fighter planes to keep the German fighters off them.
With red tails
The fighters are being redesigned and drop tanks are being used and tested at this time! Gen. Jimmy Doolittle with take command of the 8th Air Force and turned the fighters lose on the Luftwaffe. The 4th FG flying P51s and the 56th FG flying P47s turned the tide of the air war over western Europe starting in early 1944
The Red tails flew in Italy with the 15th not the 8th Air Force. Some of the main fighter groups in in the 8th were the 4th fighter group and 56th fighter group. ALL had impressive combat records! @@kvoltti
@@squint04 All the fighters at the beginning of World War Two from the United States were not capable even with drop fuel tanks to make to Germany and back where the factories were, it wasn't till P 47 and P 51 with drop tanks came to Europe that they had support from beginning to end of missions. Both My Father and one uncle fought in World War Two. I am a former Sergeant in the United States Army.
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The kid didn't call out when he saw Bucky because he was worried about getting into trouble, unlike the bomber crews in earlier episodes who were shot down over Belgium and had help, Bucky was shot down over Germany. The kids were doing their patriotic duty. Bucky was their enemy.
Also the Americans and Britsh had been bombing the hell out of their country for at least a couple of years, so yeah they were not going to help an American bomber pilot
At it again with the RAF bashing from the writers I see. peak
Yes, nauseating.
Because us brits don’t do any yank bashing at all do we? As former military i can say that it happens in all forces around the world, mostly tongue in cheek banter in my experience but some serious as well. They knock us, we knock them, human nature and especially military nature. Hell, we rip the P out of our own service arms depending on who you serve with 😅
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But ALL they show regarding the RAF in this series is negative. There is zero balance. At it again in Episode 7 "The Brits finally hit something". They even airbrush the RAF out of history "there are only Americans in Stalag Luft III" and no mention that the Great Escape was RAF planned and executed and no USAAF did the escaping.
Im sorry but these American productions like Saving Private Ryan, Band of Brothers, The Pacific and now this new series repeatedly shit on their allies. And it's not "banter".
@@lyndoncmp5751 there’s the magic sentence, American made films and series, coincidentally about American units that have no real British unit connection so why should they give us British any love. I’ve seen plenty of British films that show the Americans in unfavourable terms , and we have to remember that we have the historical knowledge that they didn’t have in that era. The British officer giving Crosby grief about the yanks abroad wasn’t exactly nice was it? But it happened in both directions, that’s a historical fact. My dad was British airborne in WW2, and they were often moaning about the yanks and their strange ways same as they moaned about ours, but there was always a deep respect for each others wartime exploits. I seem to remember Buck Cleven changing his mind and agreeing with the R.a.F officer that daylight raids were suicidal in episode 2 I think.
What bothers me more at the moment is the approach of the D day 80th anniversary and the way the French seem to be making it all about the US and no one else, festivals planned etc, that’s wrong and we keep fighting it every year. Documentaries talking about how the US won the war on its own etc, that’s the real threat, not these historical series that are based on true stories and use changes for drama purposes.
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Who's talking about love though? Im merely talking about not shitting on their allies with stereotypical silliness and historical misrepresentations. Again and again. Where is the 'respect' for ALLIED cousins. These productions do not have any, unless its a female about to get laid. All British military men are either snooty arseholes, incompetent or in need of saving. The Aussies got shafted the same in the Pacific.
Your last sentence is pertinent. Watching these American productions people get the impression it WAS the Americans who won the war... and their allies just got in the way stumbling and bumbling. Masters of the Air gives exactly that impression.
Take that excruciating dialogue in Saving Private Ryan "ya gotta take Caen before ya can take St Lo" (after the obligatory Monty bashing) . That's complete historical nonsense. Each town was in two different directions and an independent objective by different armies. The Americans had their own problems with St Lo. The bushes of the Bocage. The Americans not moving on St Lo was the fault of the British for not taking Caen, according to the dialogue in SPR. Then to cap it all, SPR goes and steals the Tigers that the British were facing at Villers Bocage and shows the Americans stopping them in the Cotentin Peninsula. The Americans never faced Tigers in Normandy. They were all in the Caen sector.
In Band of Brothers they groan when Montgomery is mentioned, regardless of the fact that the real life Richard Winters admired him and said he was "the real deal, an example to follow". The less said about the bumbling British tankers in episode 4 (real life B Squadron, 44th Royal Tank Regiment lead by Lt Benton's troop) the better. Yes I'm sure US paras knew better how to take on German armour more than the vastly more experienced 44th RTR did. Sigh.
Totally agree with the part about the French, but what should we expect when people today are influenced by what they see on their screens, and American productions like these going worldwide with their skewed portrayals? Since Saving Private Ryan came out, people worldwide including the French, focus more on the Americans in Normandy. Regardless of the fact that the British and Canadians were taking on most of the best divisions including 80% of the German armour.
Cheers anyway. Best wishes. ✌
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