Australian 🇦🇺 Watches MASTERS OF THE AIR s1ep1 for the FIRST TIME 'Part One' Reaction!
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Hi, my name is Elie Moses and I am a 24 Year-Old Law and Film student here in Sydney, Australia. I have decided to complete the trilogy and watch 'MASTERS OF THE AIR' for the FIRST TIME!! This show is created by Steven Spielberg and Tom Hanks and is the concluding chapter to Band of Brothers and The Pacific. Here is my reaction to episode 1 of season 1. A SOLID START!
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First time watching masters of the air (reaction)
This show isn’t a masterpiece like BoB or the Pacific, but as a historian I still found it very good.
Of the 400,000 US military deaths in the war, 40,000 of them were in the bomber groups flying out of England. They were absolutely decimated, especially early in the war.
This shows not bad at all. There's just some shortcomings and things that were cut in production. Covid really messed up the filming. They were way over schedule. There's a bunch of interviews post release with the film makers stating how they'd have to stop filming and restart due to covid testing. Basically, one person might go out and get exposed and shut down filming for 1-2wks. Each day, they'd all have to get tested, sit in their cars for 90 minutes, and then they could shoot. This was every day. Crazy that they even got it finished. Also, the vet stuff is in the documentary at the end
Considering the circumstances, what we got was good enough in my opinion
ELIE, this episode begins to show you WHY the American 8th Air Force had MORE casualties than even the Marines in the Pacific!!!!
I believe they had something like a 70% casualty rating!!! These crews were given a 1 in 4 chance of survival. And if it wasn't for the B-17 being so able to take massive damage and still stay airborne, it would have been a lot more!!!!😢
Until I saw THIS series I'd never realized that these men DID THIS and had THESE kind of losses!!!!😮
Even tho this show has allot of negative critics, I still enjoyed it personally. There is a great mini documentary on apple tv when you are done. Kinda like the we stand alone together in band of brothers.
My grandfather flew with the Mighty Eighth (flight engineer & top turret gunner), so I had been looking forward to this for a long time. It is a very different show than the other two with a host of issues, but I really enjoyed it.
My grandfather lived long enough to see the movie “Memphis Belle,” and he only opened up about his experiences after that. He flew 50 missions in North Africa and then 26 in England. The extra flight he was assigned mistakenly, but he went without complaint. Poor guy at the base nearly had a heart attack from the stress of waiting for my grandfather to return after he realized his error.
This series is based on several books, not only Miller's Masters Of The Air. The Miller book is an 800 or so page historical opus that covers the air war 'holistically', that is to say from many different points of view. Harry Crosby's book is a memoir and it personalizes the story. He is self deprecating and frank about his air sickness and feelings of inadequacy. Frank Murphy also wrote a pretty good account that covers the war all the way through his years in a pow camp. I haven't read Ken Lemmons' book, but it supposedly covers the war as experienced by the ground crews. The writer Orloff stitches all these accounts and more into a cohesive narrative, or tries to.
Important things to note. The Eighth Air Force had an attrition rate of about 77 percent. This was the highest casualty rate of ANY of the armed forces deployed to Europe by America. Only one crew in four made the 25 missions required to be completed in order to be shipped back home to America. Most of the crews who did make it home accomplished that in the later stages of the war, after the Luftwaffe was decimated by several long years of attrition.
Many of the casualties from the B-17s were not from enemy action. Frost bite from flying at high altitudes with inadequate gear was common. In the early days crews had electrically wired undergarments plugged in to the airship's electrical system. Sometimes the suits would short circuit and leave the crews at the mercy of temperatures around minus 30 or 40 degrees celcius.
Hypoxia and Anoxia killed crews within minutes if their oxygen hoses became fouled.
Comfort was not pârt of the design of B-17s. Flights often lasted six to ten hours during which crews had to urinate or defecate in tin cans.
Crews had no medical training so when a bullet went through the fuselage of a B-17 (fuselages that were as thin as a can of coke) and ripped through flesh, there was little that crew mates could do for wounded comrades. No Doc Roes to call on at 28,000 feet.
When they had to parachute jump out of a stricken airplane, it was almost always their first time doing so. No five jump qualifications for USAAF aircrews. You just jumped, tried not to pull the cord too early so your parachute had enough air to deploy properly and you wouldn't suffocate in the rarified air, and you hope for the best. If you were lucky you jumped into occupied France and hooked up with the resistance. If you were not so lucky you fell into Germany and met up with vengefull peasants you just finished bombing who wanted to string you up from the nearest telephone pole.
There is an old back & white movie that does portray the contributions of the Merchant Marine. It's named ACTION IN THE NORTH ATLANTIC or also named HEROES WITHOUT UNIFORMS. It stars Raymond Massey and Humphrey Bogart. It came out in 1943 as a moral booster dedicated to the unsung heroes of the war. I saw it decades ago and only remember it because I connected it to Domingo, my father's friend. BTW, a big salute to Raymond Massey. He fought in WW1 with Canadian artillery and was wounded. After the war he fought in Russia with allied forces against the communist. In 1940 he re-enlisted with the Canadian forces and was again wounded. After this injury they sent him home for good. He was in my opinion one of the greatest actors of all time and a true warrior and hero.
I’m with your sister on the Elvis bit. Austin Butler had a week break from finishing Elvis to starting MoTA and he hired a dialect coach to help him get rid of the accent.
Ep 5 & 6 are my favorites and Ep 9 was pretty incredible in the beginning. I’m so glad you’ve decided to watch it and form your own opinion. I always learn something new listening to your commentary and really enjoy your genuine reactions. There’s also a documentary for the show and hope you react to it as well!
The air war was very foreign to a lot of people. It was a different world and to try and explain everything at once would be overwhelming. CGI was acceptable but also a necessary evil, there just aren't enough functional planes to avoid it. This one and the next seemed to serve as intros to their situation dripping in lots of information.
I got to fly on the b-17 "Nine O Nine" in 2004. It was amazing to go up, but also a bit scary, knowing I was on an 80 year old aircraft. I remember as we were taking off, there were some gaps in the floor that I could see the runway passing below, and the whole plane was shaking and noisy, made me nervous, so I just can't imagine going up into combat, over and over, facing flak, German fighters, and even bad weather.
But it was also beautiful, being able to go up to the nose and have that view as we flew over the Willamette River and then with the hatch behind the radio compartment open, I was able to stand with my head and shoulders outside the plane, with the air blasting by, was almost like being a bird! It was something I had to struggle with the choice of spending the money, and I'm glad I did it!
Austin Butler jumped straight into Masters from his Elvis role and he quite obviously was still shaking the accent here. It gets better. The actor playing navigator Harry Crosby is really good. He has a great career ahead of him. Callum Turner (Buckky Egan) also starred in The Boys In The Boat which came out while Masters was still being streamed. Great actor. Nate Mann (who comes in later in the series) is a standout. There are many good supporting cast members in this series. You'll see.
But Anthony Boyle, Callum Turner, and Nate Mann are not portraying supporting characters. They are three of the four leads, alongside Austin Butler. Boyle’s character wrote the memoir the majority of the series’ plot came from, while Mann portrayed one of the most famous airmen of WWII and the pilot who inspired Donald Miller’s book.
Greyhound is Navy action with Tom Hanks, but just a movie, not a series.
"Greyhound" is one of my favorite naval films of all time that is so underrated. Yes, I wish people would do some reactions to "Greyhound."
The Air Corp suffered horrendous casualties but of all branches the Merchant Marine suffered the most. The Merchant Marine did more to win the War than any other single branch. When I was growing up one of my father's friends was a sailor transporting much needed supplies across the ocean. He had 2 ships torpedoed out from under him. All I remember is his telling me that the real men were the ones on oil tankers. I mention all this because movies and documentaries cover every branch of the war except the Merchant Marine.
Watch the movie Greyhound
It obvously didn't have the same impact on me as Band Of Brothers did, but I still loved Masters Of The Air. I don't agree with those who think it's bad, I thought it was great. The first episode is def the weakest though imo and I was a bit meh about Austin Butler in the role in the beginning, but it all gets alot better. The 2nd half of the season is fantastic. The way you don't really connect with the characters yet at this point is the way I felt about The Pacific and why I couldn't continue past 3 episodes.
Excellent--thanks! FWIW, if you're gonna be on the front line, Winters is the right person to be with.
The 390th Bomb Group which was part of the same group the 100th Bomb Group was a part of has a museum where I live. They flew a lot of missions together and seeing how accurately they made the show is fantastic.
The US Air Force was made in 1947 so these guys are from the US Army Air Force. They made the air force its own branch after the war too. For things they struggled with I think it's the pacing. It's difficult to format a show over the course of 3 years where Band of Brothers did it over about 9 months from Normandy to Germany.
Your ferlings oncerning episode one were quite similar to my own. Don't worry though, as the series does get better with each episode.
Airplanes! Dreams? Yes, we are influenced by what we watched. Masters of the Air is less personal than the other two but more big picture ;-) A different war ... you get a nice bunk and nice food in England, if you come back at all ;-( You lose 10 airmen with each downed plane. So 30 men lost on 1st mission and no bombs on target.
It’s not as good as Band of Brothers and The Pacific, but it is an eye-opening account of aerial combat in the war, which was horrific.
You fought well, Atreides.
It's challenging for a show to make you feel immersed in it when it's filled with CGI battle scenes. So it's a bit unfair to compare it to Band of Brothers or The Pacific in that regard.
Masters kind of lost me towards the end but it was still solid compared to other shows airing at the time like "True Detective:" Night Country.
What's interested is you complain bout the aspect ratio. When Band of Brothers came out TV were the had 4 by 3 aspect ratio. When making Band of Brothers it was decided to give it a more theatrical aspect ratio. With the 4 by 3 aspect ration you really couldn't use the standard film aspect ratio of 2.30:1, as the black bars during broadcast would consume a significant amount of the screen.
With this show now that 16:9 is standard, they still push it to being a theatrical experience, and now use 2.40:1. Which gives you the same amount of black bars for this show. That Band of Brothers was designed with.
Comparing the show to Band of Brothers isn't really valid. At least not how you are explaining it. The situations are different. Band of Brothers could have training together, because they did train together. That didn't;t happen with the Bomber group, where they trained in multiple different areas. Thus only. few had history together. So they whole building bonds will training that is such a par to of the first episode, is something that can't happen here. The comment about feeling like you are in a fox hole with the guys from Band of Brothers, running and being chase right along with them. Again those are ground troops that are literally running around with hand held cameras behind them giving you the ups and downs of ever step. That can't happen here. They are in very confined spaces. The setting is actually claustrophobic. You would have a much better comparison with a show set fully inside a tank versus ground pounders. Band of Brothers even when inflight they are grouped class together 20 in a plane all in visual view. Here you have 15 airmen, you have three that can't see anyone. You have others typically in sets of two. So when under attack you generally don't have much in the way of contact with your fellow soldiers until you land again. Thats the nature of the their environment. Again so vastly different from Band of Brothers. So trying to compare various aspects isn't rational. Because it's not apples to apples. It's apples to oranges.
One of the biggest drawbacks for this show, Is that the had no planes that they could actually film with. They have only a handful left that are operational. And they have had safety issues with those. There is no way they were going to fly them to England, or allow people to use them.
With Band of Brothers, they had a few operational planes that are used. Both in air and on ground to film with. They had tanks, jeeps, ect, ect.. So there is a more tangible interaction with actors.
Now they did go to great lengths to duplicate to the best of their ability the entire design, creating a moving set around an AR Wall so that the actors could get rough SFX indicating the environment around them, the planes heading for them, debris in the air, and with the moving set, they got to feel some real gravity (though not near what the actual airman would have interacted with, so it helps.
And of course, the Bomber groups took massive casualties, far greater than the units in Band of Brothers, one of the highest casualty rates. So after a little of this you wouldn't form bonds with new recruits. And the new recruits dropped like flies.
And ofc course another big issue though the loss of life was insane. If you finished your days mission. You bunked up nice, have food, shower, entertainment, ect. Which is absolutely not how the servicemen on the ground existed day by day.
While they had a smaller group already there, the US was seriously ramping up its presents in England. So no for most of them this was their first mission.
There are a few you tube fvideos of a gentleman who served in the Bomber group towards the end of the war. And he was really surprised how realistic it was to his experience. Not just the combat, but the down time, and the people. So I would take his word on if its feels authentic more then my own. Whose just judging based on my expectations of what I believe that time period would be like.
Nevermind the haters, they're just looking for stuff to feel superior about. I'm happy we got a show about the air war at all, and while it's not as good as Band of Brothers or The Pacific, and some minor parts are a little more dramatized than I'd like (although some parts you may think are dramatized crazily actually happened) Nitpicks aside it's still a solid 3rd place behind the other two, and did a really good job overall.
Your sister is absolutely right about Austin Butler always using the “Elvis” accent in everything, except “Dune: Part Two”. He was incredible as Elvis, but seems to be miscast in “Masters of the Air”. It is a combination of boring acting choices, and being cast as the least interesting of the four leads. Plus, I never believed he was a guy from Wyoming. Austin Butler is a talented actor with great screen presence, but I noticed he translates best in roles that allow for big and bold acting.
Barry Keoghan’s character is not historically accurate. From what I understand he is a highly altered and fictionalized version of the real man, and used as a stand-in for a major character who debuts later on. Personally, his horrendous “Brooklynese” accent really bothered me. No one ever spoke like that, even if they were from Brooklyn.
Iunno, show’s too glossy looking for my taste and I’m sure it’s because it’s the first series to be made in the netflix/streaming era. Also, the inaccuracies, cheesy dialogue, and big name Hollywood heart throbs just aren’t what these shows have been about in the past
I honestly did not like this show. It's okay to be entertained, but it's not the same experience as Band Of Brothers and The Pacific. You're right about the aspect ratio not allowing viewers the immersion in Masters Of The Air as the previous two. And the dialog is definately forced and not flowing naturally. I miss having the interviews of the actual pilots in the beginning and the narration showing the maps and footage of actual battle. There are quality interviews of these pilots and you can find them on UA-cam. I think these would have helped to better set the tone for the show.
Austin Butler's voice literally changed because of the two years he spent preparing for the Elvis movie. He's admitted that has stayed with him to this day.
All in all, it's good for entertainment...but not the same experience you find with BOB and The Pacific.