The fact that the Kemper and Quad Cortex are still in production at all is a testament to their quality and impact on the industry. Owners shouldn't take offense that something finally supplanted them. The only thing that should irk people who have purchased them more recently is that the cost of these devices has remained so high for so long. It was just a matter of time before someone came along to crush them in the price/quality ratio.
Get what you are saying. But, to be honest, the qc and the Kemper are still a bang for your buck. If you want a full rig with fx etc wich is portable, the qc and the Kemper are still leading. I mean, yeah the ToneX sounds great. But not better or worse than its competitors. But don’t have the possibility to use fx in a good and easy way. You still have to use your pedalboard and have an extra DI for it. So if you add it up, you might got even pricier than Kemper and co.
@@M.Holland Exactly. If you are a studio musician, then the Tonex is a great choice, and great value for what you are getting. However, if you are a live guitarist, the QC and the Kemper have a lot more features that most guitarists do use that the Tonex doesn't have. Kempers and QC have just about every built in effect you would ever want. The Tonex doesn't. Kemper and QC have stereo effects that can be in stereo. The Tonex, you literally have to buy two of them to go stereo. That's $800 for the Tonex now. If you don't have the effects you need, then you need to buy them individually (gets pricey) or buy an effects processor to supplement. Now we're looking at an additional $400 for the effects. Now we're at $1200 for a Tonex. You can buy a used Kemper for $1200 and have everything in one single unit. Kemper and QC still have plenty of valuer for the price. It just depends on the guitarists needs.
@@M.Holland If you want a full rig, pedal boards and all, nothing comes close to the Axe-FX. Kemper is peanuts compared to Fractal, even the older Axe FX II had it beaten in that regard, the III has godly amounts of DSP to run rigs only David Gilmour or The Edge could tax. Can't fully judge on the Quad Cortex but I think it doesn't threaten the Axe FX III either.
Here's what I don't get: You've been really going hard at shaming Kemper and AxeFX owners for spending thousands on their rigs, when the ToneX is $399. I'd be willing to bet that the VAST majority of Kemper and AxeFX owners have had their rigs for at least 3+ years. The Quad Cortex was released in 2022. The ToneX was released in February of this year, 2023. So how the hell can you shame someone for not buying something that was literally not available (or in some cases, not even created) when they made their original purchase?? For someone who is all about science and logic, you seem to not really comprehend how time works. 🤔
I've had my Kemper since 2014 😂 There's no way I'm gonna sell it to buy a Tone-X, I've had too much fun with it over the years.. and seen it too many times out live powering great sounding guitar tones from big bands. It's never gonna not sound good. The ironic thing is, I love gear.. so I was totally open to picking up a Tone-X when I first heard about it.. as another tool & for a bit of fun. But the more and more shilling videos I see, like Glenn's constant flood of them, the more put off I am
As a kemper owner I'm honestly still happy with my purchase. It works for what im doing. But if I was in the market for buying a new amp, I'd easily go with the ToneX or a plugin of some sort! Thanks for doing honest shootouts and consumer infomation 😁
@@c1ph3rpunk so true man. i’ve had the same line 6 firehawk for YEARS at this point and it does exactly what i need it to do. i’ve considered upgrading but for the time being i have no need to, it gets the job done for fuxking around and playing songs and that’s exactly what i need it to do at the moment. 100% agree that the best gear is what you have at the moment
That's the whole deal. I don't really get why people get upset. If something you already have is working perfectly, why switch? If you're on the lookout for something new, then go for what's economic and does the job
I don't own any of these units, or any like them... But I feel like it needs to be said, Glenn you're using these things out of context and kind of being a dick about it. First, people bought their QC/Fractal/Headrush/Helix/Zoom/Boss-GT/Positive-Grid/Kemper ect units possibly years ago now, the ToneX just came out... it's a process where the price came down over years, it's literally one of the reasons I never jumped on with the Helix/QuadCore/Fractal ect, also I never really liked what I heard when I did mess around with them. Now maybe I'm wrong but the ToneX is just amp sims, the QC/Fractal ect do amps but also have effects, tuners, recording capabilities. Comparing them and then claiming people have wasted their money on the QC/Fractal/ect years before ToneX came out is just not logical... nor is the fact that the ToneX on it's own is just a bunch of amp plugins without delays, distortion, reverb ect. I like that you (Glenn) do these back to backs, that you give out content on how to record or gear demo's ect... I'm not shitting on you as your efforts are much appreciated by a community of over 500k subs. I suppose sometimes it feels like in your own personal journey to accept a switch from real amps VS digital amps, you became almost like angry... If I'm not mistaken there is a free Neural amp sim online, making the ToneX obsolete, unless you consider one has a physical pedal and the other is pure digital... just like ToneX is amp plugins where as the rest have effects and are older. One day it might be possible that someone will create a physical hardware that can download any/most plugins from any company (like your computer can!) and all of these individual platform pedals become a limiting and dead tech. It won't mean people wasted their money or were stupid for buying what was out before something better came along.
Umm, I own everything that has been thrown against Kemper, and Kemper still wins. There's nothing that can compare, and now that they've introduced the liquid profiling, your monetary videos on subpar devices shall be diminished. These comments about the Tonex "crushing" Kemper are laughable, at best.
Yeah I bought TONEX with this attitude being pushed and that thing may work for whatever setup and needs some have but it was a HUGE disappointment for me and didn’t work at all outside of me ditching everything I need with it on my pedalboard. Recently got a Kemper and it’s hands down out the gate better for my needs. God forbid I expressed that in the TONEX group on Facebook without being considered as incompetent and not knowing how to use it. Well that can be a fair assessment I suppose in this world of gear having seen plenty of examples BUT this pedal has several well regarded issues with the input gain problem. Guess what? There’s a work around for that! Here’s how…..oh you really have to play with it to get your preferred useable sounds…..yeah that’s an understatement. I spent a solid week with this thing and my $400 wasn’t letting me accept it despite obviously wanting to and hoping I’m just an idiot not using it right. This thing is for simple box head players and if you’re not that and still use it? Cool. Congratulations! Glad for you! But this thing sucked my ass for me and getting the Kemper used I could have saved $400 and a bunch of time with this POS. It doesn’t happen often that when some piece of gear finds a following and misses the mark to some that the dick riders of said gear will go on offense to attack their punching up subject. Thay should have been my first warning to stay away from this thing. It really has no business being pushed as a Kemper killer. They don’t even compete in my estimation
The reality is that any profiling device or modeler today produces tones that are essentially indistinguishable in a mix from one another…to professional musicians and studio engineers and producers. To music consumers, especially those who are listening to music on their iPhones or iPads, there is not only no difference what-so-ever, but they don’t even care in any way. So, what differentiates one profiler or modeler from the others is ease of use, the completeness of the on-board cabs and effects, the cost of the units and personal preference. There is really no one best unit, there are a lot of really great choices.
Can't wait til you try NAM and, no doubt, shoot it out against ToneX. No compromise (and arguably even better than ToneX) sound quality for anyone's home studio, and for free.
ToneX does not contain the profiler... you need a PC with an additional software and lots of time. ToneX does not contain many effects, while Kemper in the meantime contains so many high quality effects. ToneX has no routing options at all. and so on... Kemper making Profiles is an Art... but you still get the best profiles, if you invest money. I hoped for falling used prices for Kemper, when the ToneX came out, to get a 2nd Kemper... but still 1200 EUR+... this makes clear what Kemper users think.
@@mrnorbotron3308 And, if you do not want to create your own profiles... else you still need the PC! If you never want to do profiles by yourself, are fine with the available profiles and already have the required external effects and are fine with carrying those external effects with you, feel free to use ToneX. I can't live with all that limitations.
The difference between Glen and Ola? Glenn sponsored by IK: sell your kempers cause ToneX is as good and much cheaper. Ola Englund not sponsored by IK, or any at at all, in his latest video today: Is it as good as a kemper or QC? I don't think so. Oh forgot, NAM plugin is so much cheaper than ToneX. It's free so sell your ToneX. Nobody will hear any difference either in a mix.
I Am a Kemper owner and I am not Mad what so ever ! I love all the new Tech coming as I use all this stuff for inspiration and as Tools of the Trade... Buy what you can Afford !!!! use what is available to you. lets stop pitting one against the other all these products are amazing IMO..........😎
Not really sure what your point is, if it’s the cost of the other units then the comparison doesn’t work. I for one wouldn’t buy the ToneX, it’s not got anywhere near enough features compared to the other units. This is subjective but I want the effects and the routing options the more expensive units offer, I also don’t want to need a computer to clone my amps, I want to do it directly on the hardware itself. I currently own Helix, Kemper and recently purchased the Headrush Prime, the Prime is way faster at cloning than the Kemper and from what I’ve heard the ToneX is a long winded process that needs a computer, audio interface and software etc. I agree that the actual capture on the ToneX sound as good as the others options, and if this is all you’re after great. But it’s not in the same category as a QC, Kemper or HRP when it comes to the full functionality they offer. I’m a fan of your videos, but I don’t really agree with you on this one 🙂
tbh I can't overstate how important the snare bottom mic is, in which you can dial in a cutting snare without having to worry about cymbal bleed that might creep up if you're boosting too much treble on the top mic(s), (edit 1) in which inexperienced or even seasoned mix engineers can get thrown off which they resort to sample blending. Don't fear the rattle. edit 2 : snare bottom mic can also help to bring up the ghost notes, too.
Why would I be mad about a new device, that does the same in a mix, as a Kemper does, when that device was not available, when I bought my Kemper, neither was the QC. I just won't buy any of those devices, because I already have the Kemper.
Bought a Tonex and returned it. I paid $1100 for my powered Kemper. It has a power amp, effects and MBritt profiles, what else would I need? For $100 more I got a 10 footswitch mid controller. Oh, forgot to mention that Liquid Profiling is already on beta for the Kemper. Yeah, the Tonex is great for $400, but Kemper has a ton of features, a huge community and has been used for a lot of big artists as well.
Switching from neural plugins to the Kemper was life changing for somebody that loves playing guitar like me. I’m glad that this technology continues to improve and is getting cheaper but I would not change my Kemper for anything else at this point. The amount of available profiles on Kemper is something that will take years for other platforms to implement and one of the things I enjoy the most. Also, Kemper keeps releasing firmware updates with huge improvements 10 years after releasing the hardware, I like the idea of buying something that will last long rather than buying into the hype and changing gear every year. Hopefully Tonex and similar technology will continue to evolve, we all win this way.
@@pramesh.gurung to me yes! The high gain sounds are not that far but the low gain and edge of break up is extremely different and better with the Kemper.
“Life changing “ is the kind of thing ppl hear about with Kempers. Tone X only says money saver, but that doesn’t breed inspiration. It’s just another black box on the floor. If I really wanted to save money I could just use a guitar vst and program the notes with midi. No one will tell through the mix! lol. Meanwhile Glenn will be pushing Tone X 2.0 next year as the first Tone X boxes get binned and forgotten.
I think all 3 are great products, I was saving for a QC when tonex came out and since I already had effects i went with the tonex strictly for cost reasons..and it has been damn good for playing live so far, everybody in the band is impressed with the heavy tones it dishes out, even the drummer lmao ..still waiting for that driftwood capture Glen! Lol
I think we can stop baiting Kemper owners at this point as you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned that the Kemper is something like 10 years old! When there were only two options, of course, the prices for things would be much higher. As the technology has gotten better, it’s gotten cheaper so it’s no surprise that new things can do the same as older things for less. But you’ve gotta love Glenn, the king of tests, proof and results “the Kemper seems like it’s just missing everything above 8K here...” Sitting there listening in his DAW but doesn’t pull up an eq or spectrum analyzer to show what is actually happening! What a beaut!!😂
@@SpectreSoundStudios Gelln, while you're here, I reiterate my suggestion of using FMIT (Free Musical Instrument Tuner, or something) to assess how well guitars hold their tune, it might yield interesting results ;)
This just underlines that guitarists, just like any hobbyists, like their gear. And seldom for any real world reason other than that they like their gear. It's not like anyone in the audience will hear, or care, what gear you are using. And in a mix it just doesn't matter. What you as a player like to hear/feel when standing in front of an amp or recording is entirely subjective. And that is okay. Just don't expect anybody else to care.
@@shitmandood You're confusing liking something with being detached from reality, and denying the very existence of a very basic bias. Sorry to tell you, your Gibson does not fart unicorns.
Guitar gear and professional audio gear doesn’t price that way. This isn’t consumer grade crap. Guitar pedals like ToneX is priced comparably to its size and purpose. It looks like it’s trying to compete with Strymon.
@@KingKong-mp6gj What basic features do you feel the KPA is missing? I’ve used mine for 7-8 years for gigging and recording with just two expression pedals and nothing else and never felt it lacked anything, indeed it had features I’d not seen before anywhere else?
I spent money on my Kemper 7 years ago. Back in the day it was impressive. Now I wouldn’t buy a Kemper, because indeed there are cheaper solutions which may or may not offer the same features, but I wouldn’t sell it either. Why would I? It works just fine. I wanted the QC mainly for the integrated computer interface, but I already have tons of neural plugins and a decent interface.
Axe Fx user here. I really like the sounds I'm hearing from that little box. I'm concerned about the amount of CPU memory it can handle. For example, I can run wet, dry, wet on the Axe Fx. I can program a custom harmony and store it in Global. Run several effects (and parallel and series/parallel Fx chains) at once without maxing out memory. I'm not sure that the TONEX can do this. And we all know how crappy our effects unit sound whaen the CPU is maxxed out.
Well, there is something that cannot be yet surpased, and it is the kemper reliability, there is no a single reliability problem on the kemper side and its an equipment more than 10 years old. Another thing is that the kemper is already an ecosystem and a well tought out, the kemper kab is marvelous, the kemper management of amp parameter (not tone stack, but I will come to that), and the way it separates the cab part from the amp part, is wonderfully realized and not as well implemented by others. But the cherry on top, its it keeps evolving, liquid profiling sounds like a silly marketing ploy, but now we have it on our hands it changes the game, a liquid profile can be your be all end all for your favorite amp.
Dude, you're a god when it comes to saving money, but I'm gonna stay pedal and Amp free still because I'm still a tone is in the strings guy. Like, you could make companies go broke in seconds.
The Kemper is 11 years old and still holds its ground. It's only normal that tech improves and smaller/cheaper versions are made. I've been enjoying amp profiles for the past 8 years, so I paid around 250 usd per year for a great deal of flexibility and superb tones. And unless the unit dies on me and it's too expensive to repair I'll be using it in the future as well so my total cost of ownership will continue to decrease. Plus if you really are looking for something to get mad at, neural Amp Modeler is free and apparently is closer to the real amp than all profilers (there's a null test on UA-cam)
You act as though having delay and reverb is an insignificant difference. Okay, so what?? My question is, how have you not noticed the only thing that drives product markets are the insignificant details! Like didn't you build your computer recently? Doesnt matter, you can understand the concept regardless. Cause anyone who has built a computer recently probably used a core i7 chip. But why? The performance gain over a new Core i5 is what it is. Is it worth the hundreds of extra dollars that will be spent cause of the MB also needed?Well, that depends. Are you okay with paying the difference to get the difference? If yes, than its worth it. If not, than its not. Now dont get me wrong. This is a great product. But so isn't the most basic BMW. the difference between the base i5 and a fully loaded BMW i5 is over $20,000. And not one dollar of that $20,000 dollars goes into making the car a better car. Its the same exact car, heated seats and a touch screen GPS wont improve the performance of the car. And as you said, the tone difference is irrleivant as no one could tell the difference. So why are you making the argument over priced based on how these products perform? Cause no one is out there thinking the kemper sound is worth $1,200 more than tonex. So what could they possibly looking at that makes them decided they want the kemper? Well, I suppose they are looking at all the things you didn't even address or pay any attention to cause you write off the nuance difference as being a rediculous reason to pay more money for something. For reference though, do you know what separates the Helix Flagship and the Helix LS? $500 dollars. And that $500 is only I/O connections. Everything else is exactly the same. I think there is a far bigger difference in the hardware of the kemper and the tonex than just I/O. and if I/O are $500 dollar difference the kemper actually starts to look like a very reasonable, if not an actually price deal!
3 things... 1.. Kempers owners are not mad... the only mad people are the people that can´t make a good sound with the kemper and try to buy new things to correct that.. maybe some people never try a real tube amp and think that in a simple plug and play you can replicate a real amp in the laptop with cheap headphones.. thats never happend... 2...your video is about 1 type of sound that you think is amazing... its not about the full potencial from the kemper..the example is ... 10 years and the people still talk about the Kemper..... and 3... i think your sound in the minute 8:05 is bad... maybe you can make a better sound with a cheap zoom 505 for that kind of song...
Why so much dunking on the kemper, QC etc? They along with the helix were the game changers at the time and proven platforms are still worth it to a lot of players. The cheaper options now available definitely sound just as well. The market will correct itself.
My take: Use what you have and don’t compare side by side. It isn’t worth it. The 1/1000th tonal change doesn’t mean shit until you compare side by side. And then, it’s 1%. Write better, play better, it will turn out great.
Serious question: why would kemper owners be mad if this tone x thing is almost a dead on copy of it? I think you like make bold claims for no reason. Anyways I’ve never owned a kemper/ quad cortex, and I never will own one.
Well, I don't really get the point in this can-you-hear-the-difference-thing. Of course there are differences - but these are no longer differences on the quality side. Just some frequencies here and there. In total all of the items simulate tube sounds on a high level, it sounds totally believable. What we will see in the future is price dropping.
I've been playing my Kemper for over 10 years now. Countless gigs, and I'm still loving it. Playing in cover bands I use quite a few different profiles with different effects to sound like the songs I'm playing. The Kemper still gets the job done and has paid for its self many times over. I don't see a reason to change. If I didn't already have a Kemper, then I'd have to do a lot of research to see which one would fit my needs.
Never having bought one and being a bedroom studio hobbyist, I can't hear any significant difference. Then again logic + free amp sims and IRs has always been enough for me.
Kemper owner. I'm not bothered. If anything - it just makes this technology more accessible to other people. It'd be really dickish to be upset about that. haha
The Music industry has been trying to turn music gear into a consumable product for the last several years. The UA-camrs (ironically) both complain about it and promote it at the same time. Get some gear and get good at it, that is all that really matters.
One question and please don't judge me: Does the ToneX come with wildly huge amount of amps modeled or it's up to you to do the capture? Because what still doesn't sell me for it is the lack of effects, where on the other hand the Quad Cortex have abundant choices and guaranteed quality amps pre-captured. Clarification: I'm aware that the IK Multimedia software have a big choice of amps, but are we talking about popular/quality amps or just a bunch of dogshit?
Why does everyone keep forgetting that the kemper ist not just a profile player like the tone x. You can gig with the kemper and need no other stomps. Try that with the tone x... no delays, just compressor and not even a hall reverb. If you buy external pedals to ads effects that the kemper already has, you spend a lot more than than 399 or whatever. If you just want to record with profiles , that is another thing. Sure. But than you could use the NAM for free and complain that 399 is far too expensive in comparison. It's a silly comparison.
@@matthewprice1950 testing new products is a big part of Glenn’s channel! I for one appreciate his comparisons. We can make better purchasing decisions because of it.
I've been watching Glenn talking big about the ToneX and how it's the Kemper/QC killer and all that but it really doesn't sound good to me and I'm impressed how Glenn likes it. Especially the way the ToneX distortion sounds on the high frequencies. I've heard so many ToneX captures and all of them sound weird and kinda digital on the high end.
“GUYS! TONEX IS SO NICE GUYS, THEY GAVE ME THEIR PRODUCT FREE OF CHARGE, SO THEYRE SO NICE AND BETTER THAN FRACTAL AND KEMPER! P2.” title somewhere in the multiverse, probably the honestverse
Would have loved if you'd given us a reamp of the amp through the same IRs, but the time is here: We no longer need tube amps to get utterly crushing metal tones.
To Anyone wanting to try the software out for capturing your own amps: I wanted to test how the software sounds on my own amp setup. The company has the amp capture process locked behind a $100 paywall, so you can't even try the capture process to see how it sounds for your setup. Figured i warn someone before they waste a couple hours like I did.
Would love to have had choice a Tonex or Quad cortex 10 years ago instead of a Kemper, wait, it wasn't available!!!! If I had to do it today fair enough but since they're new there's no argument to have really.
the argument is against some of the people who are complaining and being mad in glenns youtube comments cus they bought a kemper years ago and can't believe to the point of anger that something came out later that was cheaper.
@@BLAZINGwaffle56 who exactly? That's what Glenn is selling as the angle, but I don't see any actual owners furious that a cheaper option that covers the profiling aspect came out. The marketing tactic from IK Multimedia seems to be "dump shit on the Kemper owners so the kids looking for their first unit will buy a Tone-X instead" rather than anything
1:04 honestly, you could easily only be changing the text on screen and I wouldn't know. It all just sounds good! Glad that if I get into guitar playing, I don't have to break the bank to get some good gear.
If this test was done the way I want it done (3 bars of the same riff, changing the hardware every bar, fair game, no solos or the same solo in each bar) I would say tonex was the first one in red because it sounded different from quad and tonex, which sound pretty similar.
Firstly, glad to hear you can open an umbrella! Glenn, agree the captures are all very close, but there is a little difference between all those devices. I have the tonex, QC and a kemper. The tonex doesnt really have effects and so if you have a pedal board with your effects then it can be an amp replacement. QC and kemper can be a rig replacement. I also really love the fact I can just put these models into the DAW with the tonex app as an extra option to the plugins I have. One thing I will say about the kemper as someone in the software industry for years - the fact that they continue to improve and support hardware that old and it keeps sounding better and becoming more usable is incredible. Anyway, options are cool. Peace to all
i find that high gain sound shitty on a kemper but i don’t play metal and i much prefer the feeling of the kemper while playing. so tonex got returned the same day lol
I own a Kemper Powerhead, & I am glad that people can now experiment with profiling amps for a fraction of the price. Yes I spent nearly $2000 AUD for it, but its exceeded my expectations from what I expected. The release of the ToneX for such a cheap price will only put pressure on the larger companies to make something way better than what's currently available to justify the price. In the end, its a win-win for everyone in te long run.
As a Kemper user of many years I have no problem accepting that for any given feature on the Kemper there exists a product that does it better for cheaper. The only way I can justify sticking with Kemper is based on using all of the features at once. With other options I would need multiple pieces of gear (more failure points and cable routing) to get the same result. But I’m certain it won’t be long before something comes along that does everything the Kemper does, doing it better and for cheaper. Which is great! And I’ll be looking to make the change when that happens. Definitely strong indications it will be a future Tone X product. I don’t understand all the butt hurt. Your videos always make very specific points that people are determined to take out of context. Nothing you are pointing out here should offend anyone. Yes, the Kemper is a great unit but it’s prohibitively expensive and doesn’t make sense for the majority of use cases. Fuck you Glenn, for trying to save people time and money!! Just for context my use case is fitting a bands worth of a gear in a single rack. Using the powered out for a physical cab (without IR), balance out (with IR) to a splitter to an IEM rig/front of house, midi in for automated control and ethercon for the remote (for expression, tuning and manual control). Getting all this in a single unit taking up 3u is super nice. Was disappointed that the Axe 3 takes up an 3u and didn’t add a power amp. Would love to see Tone X make all in one solution! Anyway, from one Kemper user to the rest, stop crying! Haha
Great stuff as usual. But my question is - what about the ToneX vs a Pod GO? the Pod GO rocks and I think it's only $50 more, but it's a different thing. It's solely a modeler - but it does it well for the price. Plus, all of the effects you can get are nuts. People get mad at me for using the Pod GO as an FX unit on my Dual Rectifier, but the effects are pretty good. Just wish it had smidge more DSP though.
I’m not mad. Love my Kemper. Love my ToneX. Kemper is more practical for me with the floorboard and expression pedal additions etc. TONEX needs a rack unit to enter the professional touring market IMO but I’m sure that’s coming. No reason to hate on anything. New innovations promote growth and competitiveness and I always welcome it.
It sounds good, but it's cheaper for a reason. I've commented before you need a ton of extra gear and cables just to do the same thing the other 2 modelers do, when you take that into consideration then it's not as cheap as you think. There is a reason professional musicians use the quad cortex or the kemper and not this. I have both of those and still wouldn't buy the tonex just thinking about all the extra shit I would need. Now if you just want the sounds someone else made and need no more than 3 footswitches, then yeah it's a great deal.
Yeah this argument is one of those things I say to each their own. I seriously regret selling my EVH 5150 III but I really don't mind using Positive Grid software on my recordings and I even use it live these days. I go by what sounds good, not what breaks my bank.
Great video Glenn, I grabbed a cheap NUX that came up for sale 2nd hand. As an old guy I was really sceptical, but the tones and consistency just make it great for recording. I can plug any guitar in, go to a present & know exactly what I’m getting.
Glen! Stop it! I will order 10 "Glen is wrong" cups from henning! Those are NOT comparable produts! One ist only doing part of what the other one! You cannot compare the prices!
HEEEEEEEEY GLENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN! I'm a bass player and I'm looking to replace my decade-old bass preamp and maybe ditch amps all together. Do you think it makes sense for a BASS PLAYER to buy one of these Tonex pedals instead of buying something like a SansAmp or a Darkglass pedal to replace on stage amplification? (Or will your new secret bass product replace all of them?) I appreciate what you do here! Thanks!
I stopped watching at 2:30. No hate. I just can't get my head around the technical gobbledegook. I wanted to see where in the mix each item was and listen to the fabulous piece of music. Maybe if I kept watching I might learn something, but it's meal prep day and I'm too busy. I hit the 👍 though!
What are you talking about Glenn? I can totally hear the difference! The difference is uh... uhhh..... THE NAMES THAT APPEAR ON THE SCREEN WHEN THEY'RE BEING PLAYED!
I know you’ve gotten tired of the V30 sound over the years, but this has to be one of my favorite guitar tones you’ve done. Would also love to see and episode on dialing in a lead guitar sound.
I think nowadays is only about which gear you feel more comfortable with. Because they all sound awesome! I have a Kemper profiler and the only reason I don't sell it is because the power head function, since i play live. But if I ever retire from live gigs, i will defenitely consider switch to TONE X Great video!
The fact that the Kemper and Quad Cortex are still in production at all is a testament to their quality and impact on the industry. Owners shouldn't take offense that something finally supplanted them. The only thing that should irk people who have purchased them more recently is that the cost of these devices has remained so high for so long. It was just a matter of time before someone came along to crush them in the price/quality ratio.
Get what you are saying. But, to be honest, the qc and the Kemper are still a bang for your buck.
If you want a full rig with fx etc wich is portable, the qc and the Kemper are still leading.
I mean, yeah the ToneX sounds great. But not better or worse than its competitors. But don’t have the possibility to use fx in a good and easy way. You still have to use your pedalboard and have an extra DI for it. So if you add it up, you might got even pricier than Kemper and co.
And, ToneXshall, in turn, be overtaken
And the most intelligent comment in the history of UA-cam goes to! Thank you sir. Pin this perfect comment.
@@M.Holland Exactly. If you are a studio musician, then the Tonex is a great choice, and great value for what you are getting. However, if you are a live guitarist, the QC and the Kemper have a lot more features that most guitarists do use that the Tonex doesn't have. Kempers and QC have just about every built in effect you would ever want. The Tonex doesn't. Kemper and QC have stereo effects that can be in stereo. The Tonex, you literally have to buy two of them to go stereo. That's $800 for the Tonex now. If you don't have the effects you need, then you need to buy them individually (gets pricey) or buy an effects processor to supplement. Now we're looking at an additional $400 for the effects. Now we're at $1200 for a Tonex. You can buy a used Kemper for $1200 and have everything in one single unit. Kemper and QC still have plenty of valuer for the price. It just depends on the guitarists needs.
@@M.Holland If you want a full rig, pedal boards and all, nothing comes close to the Axe-FX. Kemper is peanuts compared to Fractal, even the older Axe FX II had it beaten in that regard, the III has godly amounts of DSP to run rigs only David Gilmour or The Edge could tax. Can't fully judge on the Quad Cortex but I think it doesn't threaten the Axe FX III either.
Glenn is the next Billy Mays. Imagine him screaming at old ladies on QVC at 2am.
lol Glen selling useless bs at 2am would be the best.
The next Billy Mays and simultaneously the Anti Billy Mays
But will Glenn grow a beard then dye it vantum black like Billy?
@@PooNinja as Spinal Tap would say none blacker er.
You mean like this? ua-cam.com/video/gcYYAPySTNg/v-deo.html
Here's what I don't get: You've been really going hard at shaming Kemper and AxeFX owners for spending thousands on their rigs, when the ToneX is $399.
I'd be willing to bet that the VAST majority of Kemper and AxeFX owners have had their rigs for at least 3+ years. The Quad Cortex was released in 2022. The ToneX was released in February of this year, 2023.
So how the hell can you shame someone for not buying something that was literally not available (or in some cases, not even created) when they made their original purchase?? For someone who is all about science and logic, you seem to not really comprehend how time works. 🤔
he is sponsored by IK
I've had my Kemper since 2014 😂 There's no way I'm gonna sell it to buy a Tone-X, I've had too much fun with it over the years.. and seen it too many times out live powering great sounding guitar tones from big bands. It's never gonna not sound good. The ironic thing is, I love gear.. so I was totally open to picking up a Tone-X when I first heard about it.. as another tool & for a bit of fun. But the more and more shilling videos I see, like Glenn's constant flood of them, the more put off I am
As a kemper owner I'm honestly still happy with my purchase. It works for what im doing. But if I was in the market for buying a new amp, I'd easily go with the ToneX or a plugin of some sort! Thanks for doing honest shootouts and consumer infomation 😁
More power to you, dude.
Folks dumping their Kemper, and going with a ToneX, is actually buying into the hype.
The best gear: paid off and working.
@@c1ph3rpunk so true man. i’ve had the same line 6 firehawk for YEARS at this point and it does exactly what i need it to do. i’ve considered upgrading but for the time being i have no need to, it gets the job done for fuxking around and playing songs and that’s exactly what i need it to do at the moment. 100% agree that the best gear is what you have at the moment
Honestly, this is the most level-headed response to his review of Tone-X.
That's the whole deal. I don't really get why people get upset. If something you already have is working perfectly, why switch? If you're on the lookout for something new, then go for what's economic and does the job
I don't own any of these units, or any like them... But I feel like it needs to be said, Glenn you're using these things out of context and kind of being a dick about it.
First, people bought their QC/Fractal/Headrush/Helix/Zoom/Boss-GT/Positive-Grid/Kemper ect units possibly years ago now, the ToneX just came out... it's a process where the price came down over years, it's literally one of the reasons I never jumped on with the Helix/QuadCore/Fractal ect, also I never really liked what I heard when I did mess around with them.
Now maybe I'm wrong but the ToneX is just amp sims, the QC/Fractal ect do amps but also have effects, tuners, recording capabilities. Comparing them and then claiming people have wasted their money on the QC/Fractal/ect years before ToneX came out is just not logical... nor is the fact that the ToneX on it's own is just a bunch of amp plugins without delays, distortion, reverb ect.
I like that you (Glenn) do these back to backs, that you give out content on how to record or gear demo's ect... I'm not shitting on you as your efforts are much appreciated by a community of over 500k subs. I suppose sometimes it feels like in your own personal journey to accept a switch from real amps VS digital amps, you became almost like angry... If I'm not mistaken there is a free Neural amp sim online, making the ToneX obsolete, unless you consider one has a physical pedal and the other is pure digital... just like ToneX is amp plugins where as the rest have effects and are older.
One day it might be possible that someone will create a physical hardware that can download any/most plugins from any company (like your computer can!) and all of these individual platform pedals become a limiting and dead tech. It won't mean people wasted their money or were stupid for buying what was out before something better came along.
Umm, I own everything that has been thrown against Kemper, and Kemper still wins. There's nothing that can compare, and now that they've introduced the liquid profiling, your monetary videos on subpar devices shall be diminished. These comments about the Tonex "crushing" Kemper are laughable, at best.
Yeah I bought TONEX with this attitude being pushed and that thing may work for whatever setup and needs some have but it was a HUGE disappointment for me and didn’t work at all outside of me ditching everything I need with it on my pedalboard. Recently got a Kemper and it’s hands down out the gate better for my needs. God forbid I expressed that in the TONEX group on Facebook without being considered as incompetent and not knowing how to use it. Well that can be a fair assessment I suppose in this world of gear having seen plenty of examples BUT this pedal has several well regarded issues with the input gain problem. Guess what? There’s a work around for that! Here’s how…..oh you really have to play with it to get your preferred useable sounds…..yeah that’s an understatement. I spent a solid week with this thing and my $400 wasn’t letting me accept it despite obviously wanting to and hoping I’m just an idiot not using it right. This thing is for simple box head players and if you’re not that and still use it? Cool. Congratulations! Glad for you! But this thing sucked my ass for me and getting the Kemper used I could have saved $400 and a bunch of time with this POS. It doesn’t happen often that when some piece of gear finds a following and misses the mark to some that the dick riders of said gear will go on offense to attack their punching up subject. Thay should have been my first warning to stay away from this thing. It really has no business being pushed as a Kemper killer. They don’t even compete in my estimation
The reality is that any profiling device or modeler today produces tones that are essentially indistinguishable in a mix from one another…to professional musicians and studio engineers and producers. To music consumers, especially those who are listening to music on their iPhones or iPads, there is not only no difference what-so-ever, but they don’t even care in any way. So, what differentiates one profiler or modeler from the others is ease of use, the completeness of the on-board cabs and effects, the cost of the units and personal preference. There is really no one best unit, there are a lot of really great choices.
Can't wait til you try NAM and, no doubt, shoot it out against ToneX. No compromise (and arguably even better than ToneX) sound quality for anyone's home studio, and for free.
Yes, it’s on my list!!
Yea I thought this was a NAM video...
@@tommj4365 I bet it will have a similar headline, tbf
ToneX does not contain the profiler... you need a PC with an additional software and lots of time.
ToneX does not contain many effects, while Kemper in the meantime contains so many high quality effects.
ToneX has no routing options at all.
and so on...
Kemper making Profiles is an Art... but you still get the best profiles, if you invest money.
I hoped for falling used prices for Kemper, when the ToneX came out, to get a 2nd Kemper... but still 1200 EUR+... this makes clear what Kemper users think.
ToneX is a PEDAL and you don't need thos effects, it is your Amp-Substitude
@@mrnorbotron3308 And, if you do not want to create your own profiles... else you still need the PC!
If you never want to do profiles by yourself, are fine with the available profiles and already have the required external effects and are fine with carrying those external effects with you, feel free to use ToneX.
I can't live with all that limitations.
The difference between Glen and Ola? Glenn sponsored by IK: sell your kempers cause ToneX is as good and much cheaper. Ola Englund not sponsored by IK, or any at at all, in his latest video today: Is it as good as a kemper or QC? I don't think so. Oh forgot, NAM plugin is so much cheaper than ToneX. It's free so sell your ToneX. Nobody will hear any difference either in a mix.
If I’m sponsored by IK, I sure hope I get paid for this one!
@@SpectreSoundStudios I'm sure you will. In the description of ohDj3Jr1gz8 you state: "Proudly Sponsored by IK Multimedia!"
Yes, that one was sponsored. Not getting paid for this one!
I Am a Kemper owner and I am not Mad what so ever ! I love all the new Tech coming as I use all this stuff for inspiration and as Tools of the Trade... Buy what you can Afford !!!! use what is available to you. lets stop pitting one against the other all these products are amazing IMO..........😎
Not really sure what your point is, if it’s the cost of the other units then the comparison doesn’t work. I for one wouldn’t buy the ToneX, it’s not got anywhere near enough features compared to the other units. This is subjective but I want the effects and the routing options the more expensive units offer, I also don’t want to need a computer to clone my amps, I want to do it directly on the hardware itself. I currently own Helix, Kemper and recently purchased the Headrush Prime, the Prime is way faster at cloning than the Kemper and from what I’ve heard the ToneX is a long winded process that needs a computer, audio interface and software etc. I agree that the actual capture on the ToneX sound as good as the others options, and if this is all you’re after great. But it’s not in the same category as a QC, Kemper or HRP when it comes to the full functionality they offer.
I’m a fan of your videos, but I don’t really agree with you on this one 🙂
Now that I've listened with my eyes, the differences are really apparent
The prism interface looks really clean!
Ola just said on his channel the Kemper and Quad both have a better sound capture than the Tonex. Decisions decisions on who to believe 😂😂😂
I’m this case I’m thinking it’s Ola
Ola would be more accurate...this guy here is a little "click bait-y"
Ola thinks that Kemper sounds better than the Tonex... ;)
That guitar player can't decide if he wants to be Axl Rose or Gerard Way. 😂
Can you clickbait harder, please?
*_The best tone out of all of them is that snare!!! 🥁_*
tbh I can't overstate how important the snare bottom mic is, in which you can dial in a cutting snare without having to worry about cymbal bleed that might creep up if you're boosting too much treble on the top mic(s), (edit 1) in which inexperienced or even seasoned mix engineers can get thrown off which they resort to sample blending.
Don't fear the rattle.
edit 2 : snare bottom mic can also help to bring up the ghost notes, too.
like your sarcasm lol,but it would be great if this guy would stop talking about guitars at all
Why would I be mad about a new device, that does the same in a mix, as a Kemper does, when that device was not available, when I bought my Kemper, neither was the QC.
I just won't buy any of those devices, because I already have the Kemper.
Bought a Tonex and returned it. I paid $1100 for my powered Kemper. It has a power amp, effects and MBritt profiles, what else would I need? For $100 more I got a 10 footswitch mid controller. Oh, forgot to mention that Liquid Profiling is already on beta for the Kemper. Yeah, the Tonex is great for $400, but Kemper has a ton of features, a huge community and has been used for a lot of big artists as well.
Switching from neural plugins to the Kemper was life changing for somebody that loves playing guitar like me. I’m glad that this technology continues to improve and is getting cheaper but I would not change my Kemper for anything else at this point. The amount of available profiles on Kemper is something that will take years for other platforms to implement and one of the things I enjoy the most. Also, Kemper keeps releasing firmware updates with huge improvements 10 years after releasing the hardware, I like the idea of buying something that will last long rather than buying into the hype and changing gear every year. Hopefully Tonex and similar technology will continue to evolve, we all win this way.
life changing?? is the gap that huge with neural plugin?? i had hx stomp .. didn't like it. i am back to neural plugin.
@@pramesh.gurung to me yes! The high gain sounds are not that far but the low gain and edge of break up is extremely different and better with the Kemper.
“Life changing “ is the kind of thing ppl hear about with Kempers. Tone X only says money saver, but that doesn’t breed inspiration. It’s just another black box on the floor. If I really wanted to save money I could just use a guitar vst and program the notes with midi. No one will tell through the mix! lol.
Meanwhile Glenn will be pushing Tone X 2.0 next year as the first Tone X boxes get binned and forgotten.
The only difference I noticed is there were different words on the screen.
I think all 3 are great products, I was saving for a QC when tonex came out and since I already had effects i went with the tonex strictly for cost reasons..and it has been damn good for playing live so far, everybody in the band is impressed with the heavy tones it dishes out, even the drummer lmao ..still waiting for that driftwood capture Glen! Lol
I think we can stop baiting Kemper owners at this point as you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned that the Kemper is something like 10 years old! When there were only two options, of course, the prices for things would be much higher. As the technology has gotten better, it’s gotten cheaper so it’s no surprise that new things can do the same as older things for less. But you’ve gotta love Glenn, the king of tests, proof and results “the Kemper seems like it’s just missing everything above 8K here...” Sitting there listening in his DAW but doesn’t pull up an eq or spectrum analyzer to show what is actually happening! What a beaut!!😂
Indeed, a bit of analysis wouldn't have hurt.
Ok, great suggestion! I’ll try that next time
@@SpectreSoundStudios Gelln, while you're here, I reiterate my suggestion of using FMIT (Free Musical Instrument Tuner, or something) to assess how well guitars hold their tune, it might yield interesting results ;)
This just underlines that guitarists, just like any hobbyists, like their gear. And seldom for any real world reason other than that they like their gear. It's not like anyone in the audience will hear, or care, what gear you are using. And in a mix it just doesn't matter. What you as a player like to hear/feel when standing in front of an amp or recording is entirely subjective. And that is okay. Just don't expect anybody else to care.
Usually, they like their gear because they already paid for it. Sunken cost fallacy, and all that jazz.
@@CyberChristno they like their gear because they wanted it. If you had to settle because you didn’t have the money then you might not like your gear.
@@shitmandood You're confusing liking something with being detached from reality, and denying the very existence of a very basic bias.
Sorry to tell you, your Gibson does not fart unicorns.
GLENN, THE HYPE AND HYSTERIA SALESMAN
GLENN IS THE HYPE!
44 inch Plasma TV's were over 10 grand in like 2001. You can get an equivalent now for 150ish. Technology makes jumps sometimes and we all bennafit.
you would need an OLED to be comparable with the black levels of plasma
Guitar gear and professional audio gear doesn’t price that way. This isn’t consumer grade crap. Guitar pedals like ToneX is priced comparably to its size and purpose. It looks like it’s trying to compete with Strymon.
That Kemper still updates the device without having to upgrade as per Fractal keeps it relevant for me.
I would take an EOL AxeFx from 2007 over a KPA any day. At the rate Kemper is adding basic features they may catch up in 10 or 20 years though.
@@KingKong-mp6gj What basic features do you feel the KPA is missing? I’ve used mine for 7-8 years for gigging and recording with just two expression pedals and nothing else and never felt it lacked anything, indeed it had features I’d not seen before anywhere else?
@@KingKong-mp6gj Liquid Profiling is basic? More like market leading.
I spent money on my Kemper 7 years ago. Back in the day it was impressive. Now I wouldn’t buy a Kemper, because indeed there are cheaper solutions which may or may not offer the same features, but I wouldn’t sell it either. Why would I? It works just fine.
I wanted the QC mainly for the integrated computer interface, but I already have tons of neural plugins and a decent interface.
Axe Fx user here. I really like the sounds I'm hearing from that little box. I'm concerned about the amount of CPU memory it can handle. For example, I can run wet, dry, wet on the Axe Fx. I can program a custom harmony and store it in Global. Run several effects (and parallel and series/parallel Fx chains) at once without maxing out memory. I'm not sure that the TONEX can do this. And we all know how crappy our effects unit sound whaen the CPU is maxxed out.
Well, there is something that cannot be yet surpased, and it is the kemper reliability, there is no a single reliability problem on the kemper side and its an equipment more than 10 years old. Another thing is that the kemper is already an ecosystem and a well tought out, the kemper kab is marvelous, the kemper management of amp parameter (not tone stack, but I will come to that), and the way it separates the cab part from the amp part, is wonderfully realized and not as well implemented by others. But the cherry on top, its it keeps evolving, liquid profiling sounds like a silly marketing ploy, but now we have it on our hands it changes the game, a liquid profile can be your be all end all for your favorite amp.
The Tonex software sucks. Kemper is still better as far as usability. Sounds difference is negligible.
Liquid Profiling is also coming..yay
I just bought a line 6 pod hd pro x for 235 bucks and I’m super happy with it. Sounds great and it’s all i need.
Dude, you're a god when it comes to saving money, but I'm gonna stay pedal and Amp free still because I'm still a tone is in the strings guy. Like, you could make companies go broke in seconds.
The Kemper is 11 years old and still holds its ground.
It's only normal that tech improves and smaller/cheaper versions are made.
I've been enjoying amp profiles for the past 8 years, so I paid around 250 usd per year for a great deal of flexibility and superb tones. And unless the unit dies on me and it's too expensive to repair I'll be using it in the future as well so my total cost of ownership will continue to decrease.
Plus if you really are looking for something to get mad at, neural Amp Modeler is free and apparently is closer to the real amp than all profilers (there's a null test on UA-cam)
It's strange, but...even though Tonex sounds fantastic, in the mix I prefer Kemper! ...and I sold my Kemper because I bought Tonex!!!
You act as though having delay and reverb is an insignificant difference. Okay, so what?? My question is, how have you not noticed the only thing that drives product markets are the insignificant details! Like didn't you build your computer recently? Doesnt matter, you can understand the concept regardless. Cause anyone who has built a computer recently probably used a core i7 chip. But why? The performance gain over a new Core i5 is what it is. Is it worth the hundreds of extra dollars that will be spent cause of the MB also needed?Well, that depends. Are you okay with paying the difference to get the difference? If yes, than its worth it. If not, than its not. Now dont get me wrong. This is a great product. But so isn't the most basic BMW. the difference between the base i5 and a fully loaded BMW i5 is over $20,000. And not one dollar of that $20,000 dollars goes into making the car a better car. Its the same exact car, heated seats and a touch screen GPS wont improve the performance of the car. And as you said, the tone difference is irrleivant as no one could tell the difference. So why are you making the argument over priced based on how these products perform? Cause no one is out there thinking the kemper sound is worth $1,200 more than tonex. So what could they possibly looking at that makes them decided they want the kemper? Well, I suppose they are looking at all the things you didn't even address or pay any attention to cause you write off the nuance difference as being a rediculous reason to pay more money for something. For reference though, do you know what separates the Helix Flagship and the Helix LS? $500 dollars. And that $500 is only I/O connections. Everything else is exactly the same. I think there is a far bigger difference in the hardware of the kemper and the tonex than just I/O. and if I/O are $500 dollar difference the kemper actually starts to look like a very reasonable, if not an actually price deal!
3 things... 1.. Kempers owners are not mad... the only mad people are the people that can´t make a good sound with the kemper and try to buy new things to correct that.. maybe some people never try a real tube amp and think that in a simple plug and play you can replicate a real amp in the laptop with cheap headphones.. thats never happend... 2...your video is about 1 type of sound that you think is amazing... its not about the full potencial from the kemper..the example is ... 10 years and the people still talk about the Kemper..... and 3... i think your sound in the minute 8:05 is bad... maybe you can make a better sound with a cheap zoom 505 for that kind of song...
Why so much dunking on the kemper, QC etc? They along with the helix were the game changers at the time and proven platforms are still worth it to a lot of players. The cheaper options now available definitely sound just as well. The market will correct itself.
Is he really still milking this.Move on.
My take: Use what you have and don’t compare side by side. It isn’t worth it. The 1/1000th tonal change doesn’t mean shit until you compare side by side. And then, it’s 1%. Write better, play better, it will turn out great.
Serious question: why would kemper owners be mad if this tone x thing is almost a dead on copy of it? I think you like make bold claims for no reason. Anyways I’ve never owned a kemper/ quad cortex, and I never will own one.
Well, I don't really get the point in this can-you-hear-the-difference-thing. Of course there are differences - but these are no longer differences on the quality side. Just some frequencies here and there. In total all of the items simulate tube sounds on a high level, it sounds totally believable. What we will see in the future is price dropping.
Still love the Kemper, tried the tone x but it does not have live editor software so that went back to sweetwater.
I've been playing my Kemper for over 10 years now. Countless gigs, and I'm still loving it. Playing in cover bands I use quite a few different profiles with different effects to sound like the songs I'm playing. The Kemper still gets the job done and has paid for its self many times over. I don't see a reason to change. If I didn't already have a Kemper, then I'd have to do a lot of research to see which one would fit my needs.
I’ve heard most ppl that buy a Kemper usually buy more than one. Wonder what Glenn thinks of that. No point buying two Tone X I guess. 😂
Most people who use kempers are stuck playing in cover bands
@@weareparkerful ? I’ve spotted quite a few Kempers at concerts at the BOK Arena in Tulsa, OK. But whatever. You do you. Lol
@@stevemorris7344 I was just being sarcastic
But whatever
@@weareparkerfulthat’s almost hilarious I’m guessing that’s why triviums using them huh?
Never having bought one and being a bedroom studio hobbyist, I can't hear any significant difference. Then again logic + free amp sims and IRs has always been enough for me.
Kemper owner. I'm not bothered. If anything - it just makes this technology more accessible to other people. It'd be really dickish to be upset about that. haha
I'll stick to my kemper though. I know it, I like it and I don't need the bothersome exchange for a magic frequency no one will hear live.
In a shootout between Glenn and EVH I can't even tell the difference. Even with the titles changing the difference is too subtle.
He is saying Kemper sounds dull and muted, but I think it sounds the best. TONE X is amazing, sounds as good as Kemper and better than Quad.
The Music industry has been trying to turn music gear into a consumable product for the last several years. The UA-camrs (ironically) both complain about it and promote it at the same time. Get some gear and get good at it, that is all that really matters.
Nothing quite like manufacturing controversy for clicks. Good grief. Same old same old.
I think you're missing the point of the kemper if im honest. The kemper is designed to emulate ANY amp you want, you can profile them yourself to.
One question and please don't judge me: Does the ToneX come with wildly huge amount of amps modeled or it's up to you to do the capture? Because what still doesn't sell me for it is the lack of effects, where on the other hand the Quad Cortex have abundant choices and guaranteed quality amps pre-captured.
Clarification: I'm aware that the IK Multimedia software have a big choice of amps, but are we talking about popular/quality amps or just a bunch of dogshit?
Would be interested to hear your thoughts on the new free Neural Amp Modeler and all of the community captures up at ToneHunt?
Why does everyone keep forgetting that the kemper ist not just a profile player like the tone x. You can gig with the kemper and need no other stomps. Try that with the tone x... no delays, just compressor and not even a hall reverb. If you buy external pedals to ads effects that the kemper already has, you spend a lot more than than 399 or whatever. If you just want to record with profiles , that is another thing. Sure. But than you could use the NAM for free and complain that 399 is far too expensive in comparison. It's a silly comparison.
Different tools for different jobs. Just appreciate stuff for what it is my man, fuckin’ chill out.
Kemper has no equal in my mind
we're still at this? Ok...
*_Stay mad, Kempersimp._*
Someone owns a Kemper 😂
Glens funny but this is getting a bit boring. I think we all appreciate that Amplifiers as we know them are going the way of the dinosaurs. 😢
as they say.... the beatings will continue until morale improves... or in this case, i guess until guitarists accept reality.
@@matthewprice1950 testing new products is a big part of Glenn’s channel! I for one appreciate his comparisons. We can make better purchasing decisions because of it.
I've been watching Glenn talking big about the ToneX and how it's the Kemper/QC killer and all that but it really doesn't sound good to me and I'm impressed how Glenn likes it. Especially the way the ToneX distortion sounds on the high frequencies. I've heard so many ToneX captures and all of them sound weird and kinda digital on the high end.
Thank you Glenn for the community service you've done to the viewers worldwide.
Respect from Malaysia 🇲🇾
✊🏽🙂
Seem to have a proper bee in your bonnet about kemper and not about quad Cortex and axe fx. Feel a touch of skew.
Lol at anyone who misses out on all the benefits of a Kemper because Glenn wanted to use a click bait title to sell some impulses 😂
“GUYS! TONEX IS SO NICE GUYS, THEY GAVE ME THEIR PRODUCT FREE OF CHARGE, SO THEYRE SO NICE AND BETTER THAN FRACTAL AND KEMPER! P2.”
title somewhere in the multiverse, probably the honestverse
Glenn fricker, as I live and breath, is working on learning Van Halen.
Super proud of ya man, keep it up!
Ty! It’s still got a way to go, but it’ll happen eventually!
Would have loved if you'd given us a reamp of the amp through the same IRs, but the time is here: We no longer need tube amps to get utterly crushing metal tones.
Most Kemper owners should be very happy once they have downloaded the new software upgrade 👌👍
It’s been a long time coming but it’s here now 👷♂👌
But does that Tonex haver 600w?!!!!
Or amp in the box + FRFR with the Kabinet? Or all of those effects? Or the soon to come LIQUID PROFILING?? No!
To Anyone wanting to try the software out for capturing your own amps: I wanted to test how the software sounds on my own amp setup. The company has the amp capture process locked behind a $100 paywall, so you can't even try the capture process to see how it sounds for your setup. Figured i warn someone before they waste a couple hours like I did.
Would love to have had choice a Tonex or Quad cortex 10 years ago instead of a Kemper, wait, it wasn't available!!!! If I had to do it today fair enough but since they're new there's no argument to have really.
the argument is against some of the people who are complaining and being mad in glenns youtube comments cus they bought a kemper years ago and can't believe to the point of anger that something came out later that was cheaper.
@@BLAZINGwaffle56 who exactly? That's what Glenn is selling as the angle, but I don't see any actual owners furious that a cheaper option that covers the profiling aspect came out. The marketing tactic from IK Multimedia seems to be "dump shit on the Kemper owners so the kids looking for their first unit will buy a Tone-X instead" rather than anything
Liquid Profiling is coming to Kemper....
1:04 honestly, you could easily only be changing the text on screen and I wouldn't know. It all just sounds good! Glad that if I get into guitar playing, I don't have to break the bank to get some good gear.
After hearing that jam, I left most blown away by the fucking snare. The guitars all sound good, but man that snare.
The quad cortex sounds a bit like Zakk Wylde
If this test was done the way I want it done (3 bars of the same riff, changing the hardware every bar, fair game, no solos or the same solo in each bar) I would say tonex was the first one in red because it sounded different from quad and tonex, which sound pretty similar.
@Rob K oh you are so smart when you use Glen's words! Good boy! Roby want a cookie?
Still waiting for the secret to that bass tone. Was that via the modelers or the thing you have teased?
Firstly, glad to hear you can open an umbrella!
Glenn, agree the captures are all very close, but there is a little difference between all those devices. I have the tonex, QC and a kemper. The tonex doesnt really have effects and so if you have a pedal board with your effects then it can be an amp replacement. QC and kemper can be a rig replacement. I also really love the fact I can just put these models into the DAW with the tonex app as an extra option to the plugins I have.
One thing I will say about the kemper as someone in the software industry for years - the fact that they continue to improve and support hardware that old and it keeps sounding better and becoming more usable is incredible.
Anyway, options are cool. Peace to all
I'm fully happy with my kemper. Liquid profiling baby
The cheaper profilers do a good job on metal, but with cleaner just breaking up sounds, nothing comes close to a kemper
i find that high gain sound shitty on a kemper but i don’t play metal and i much prefer the feeling of the kemper while playing. so tonex got returned the same day lol
I own a Kemper Powerhead, & I am glad that people can now experiment with profiling amps for a fraction of the price. Yes I spent nearly $2000 AUD for it, but its exceeded my expectations from what I expected. The release of the ToneX for such a cheap price will only put pressure on the larger companies to make something way better than what's currently available to justify the price. In the end, its a win-win for everyone in te long run.
As a kemper spokesman (self appointment just now) I'm quite happy to accept stuff has moved on for the better.
As a Kemper user of many years I have no problem accepting that for any given feature on the Kemper there exists a product that does it better for cheaper.
The only way I can justify sticking with Kemper is based on using all of the features at once. With other options I would need multiple pieces of gear (more failure points and cable routing) to get the same result. But I’m certain it won’t be long before something comes along that does everything the Kemper does, doing it better and for cheaper. Which is great! And I’ll be looking to make the change when that happens. Definitely strong indications it will be a future Tone X product.
I don’t understand all the butt hurt. Your videos always make very specific points that people are determined to take out of context. Nothing you are pointing out here should offend anyone. Yes, the Kemper is a great unit but it’s prohibitively expensive and doesn’t make sense for the majority of use cases. Fuck you Glenn, for trying to save people time and money!!
Just for context my use case is fitting a bands worth of a gear in a single rack. Using the powered out for a physical cab (without IR), balance out (with IR) to a splitter to an IEM rig/front of house, midi in for automated control and ethercon for the remote (for expression, tuning and manual control). Getting all this in a single unit taking up 3u is super nice. Was disappointed that the Axe 3 takes up an 3u and didn’t add a power amp. Would love to see Tone X make all in one solution!
Anyway, from one Kemper user to the rest, stop crying! Haha
Folks in the comments are saying it’s the pod go they can do it.
Great stuff as usual. But my question is - what about the ToneX vs a Pod GO? the Pod GO rocks and I think it's only $50 more, but it's a different thing. It's solely a modeler - but it does it well for the price. Plus, all of the effects you can get are nuts. People get mad at me for using the Pod GO as an FX unit on my Dual Rectifier, but the effects are pretty good. Just wish it had smidge more DSP though.
I have Kemper, Fractal, Pod GO, JVM, 6505+, 5150III, and I use the Pod GO more than all of them. It just does everything in one box.
@@JohnSmith-oe4bwif you want cheap, sounds like pod go is best
@@shitmandood - it's got all the bread & butter sounds, is easy to program, has a small footprint, and has an expression pedal. You're good to go 👍🏻
I’m not mad. Love my Kemper. Love my ToneX. Kemper is more practical for me with the floorboard and expression pedal additions etc. TONEX needs a rack unit to enter the professional touring market IMO but I’m sure that’s coming. No reason to hate on anything. New innovations promote growth and competitiveness and I always welcome it.
The Kemper is much, much more than an amp. There you go.
Hey Glenn, are you ever gonna get around to doing a review on the Tonex? Oh wait, you’ve done five.
It sounds good, but it's cheaper for a reason. I've commented before you need a ton of extra gear and cables just to do the same thing the other 2 modelers do, when you take that into consideration then it's not as cheap as you think. There is a reason professional musicians use the quad cortex or the kemper and not this. I have both of those and still wouldn't buy the tonex just thinking about all the extra shit I would need. Now if you just want the sounds someone else made and need no more than 3 footswitches, then yeah it's a great deal.
Yeah this argument is one of those things I say to each their own. I seriously regret selling my EVH 5150 III but I really don't mind using Positive Grid software on my recordings and I even use it live these days. I go by what sounds good, not what breaks my bank.
That Van Halen tone sounded mint!❤❤❤❤
Great video Glenn, I grabbed a cheap NUX that came up for sale 2nd hand. As an old guy I was really sceptical, but the tones and consistency just make it great for recording. I can plug any guitar in, go to a present & know exactly what I’m getting.
Even better than the Tone X I bet!
The nux mg30 is stupid good considering what it costs.
I'd say that I like the green strip's sound a tiny bit better. Really digging the shredding, btw.
Ola thinks Kemper and QC sound better than Tonex
Glen! Stop it! I will order 10 "Glen is wrong" cups from henning! Those are NOT comparable produts! One ist only doing part of what the other one! You cannot compare the prices!
Kemper's tonewood has a richer sound!
Please so a video about how to dial in lead tones for plugins and digital amps like the Quad Cortex, Kemper, ToneX, etc. Thanks ahead of time!
HEEEEEEEEY GLENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!
I'm a bass player and I'm looking to replace my decade-old bass preamp and maybe ditch amps all together. Do you think it makes sense for a BASS PLAYER to buy one of these Tonex pedals instead of buying something like a SansAmp or a Darkglass pedal to replace on stage amplification? (Or will your new secret bass product replace all of them?)
I appreciate what you do here! Thanks!
I stopped watching at 2:30. No hate. I just can't get my head around the technical gobbledegook. I wanted to see where in the mix each item was and listen to the fabulous piece of music. Maybe if I kept watching I might learn something, but it's meal prep day and I'm too busy. I hit the 👍 though!
My money is on the ToneX. Period.
What are you talking about Glenn? I can totally hear the difference! The difference is uh... uhhh..... THE NAMES THAT APPEAR ON THE SCREEN WHEN THEY'RE BEING PLAYED!
I know you’ve gotten tired of the V30 sound over the years, but this has to be one of my favorite guitar tones you’ve done. Would also love to see and episode on dialing in a lead guitar sound.
Ty! It’s coming!
I think nowadays is only about which gear you feel more comfortable with. Because they all sound awesome!
I have a Kemper profiler and the only reason I don't sell it is because the power head function, since i play live. But if I ever retire from live gigs, i will defenitely consider switch to TONE X
Great video!
I bought a Pod Go last year. I wonder how that compares to the ToneX since they are in a much closer price range compared to the Cortex or the Kemper.