Harvey Brownstone with Kathleen Zellner, Renowned Defense Attorney and Star of “Making a Murderer”
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- Harvey Brownstone conducts an in-depth interview with Kathleen Zellner, Renowned Defense Attorney and Star of “Making a Murderer”
About Harvey's guest:
Kathleen Zellner is an American attorney who has worked extensively in wrongful conviction advocacy. Notable clients Zellner has represented include Steven Avery (who was the subject of the 2015 and 2018 Netflix series Making a Murderer), Kevin Fox (who was falsely accused of murdering his daughter), Ryan W. Ferguson, and 19 exonerees who are listed in the National Registry of Exonerations.
She opened her firm, Kathleen T. Zellner & Associates in Downers Grove, Illinois, in 1991. Her firm handles wrongful conviction cases, civil rights violations, medical malpractice, and prisoner abuse cases. Zellner had achieved 19 exonerations as of October 2018, and now 20 exonerations for clients.
Notable clients Zellner has represented include Steven Avery (who was the subject of the 2015 and 2018 Netflix series Making a Murderer), Kevin Fox (who was falsely accused of murdering his three-year-old daughter), and 19 exonerees who are listed in the National Registry of Exonerations. Newsweek reported that a lawyer said that facing her at trial was "worse than my divorce."
As of March 2016, she had won almost $90 million from wrongful conviction and medical malpractice lawsuits. In 2000, The National Law Journal named Zellner a top ten trial lawyer in the United States for a suicide malpractice verdict of $13 million. She also won a $15.5 million verdict for the violation of Kevin Fox's civil rights in 2007, an $11 million verdict for Ryan W. Ferguson in Missouri who had served 10 years in jail, and a $9 million civil rights verdict for Ray Spencer in Washington in 2014. In 2012, she won the American Bar Association "Pursuit of Justice" Award.
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Kathleen Zellner is an outstanding woman, she deserves a Nobel prize. She definitely goes far and beyond her call and has a massive heart and is a genuine pursuer of justice. Words fail me in describing my admiration of this lady , God bless you
Thank you so much for watching
A true Super Hero, fighting for truth and justice.
Totally agree!
She is an incredibly gifted lawyer who also has a conscience. What a wonderful woman!
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Thanks for having her on. She's a hero of mine.
Mine too! I hope you’ll subscribe to our UA-cam channel!❤️
@@harveybrownstoneinterviews8980 I did, and I hope you do the same with mine. I did many experiments in the Steven Avery case. I even had a bone burning experiment with a bonfire. I have a making a murderer playlist with many experiments we did many years ago. Of course I subbed
Mine as well 💖💖
Mine too !!
A hero of mine also!
Kathleen is such an inspiring, intelligent and brave woman. I hope she can eventually bring Steve the justice he deserves
Kathleen Zellner is absolutely brilliant… I would love to see her in the Courtroom!.
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@@harveybrownstoneinterviews8980 only if you keep having Kathleen on your channel will I be a loyal subscriber 😉👌
Wrongful Convictions are tragic, terrifying, and fascinating. Keep up the work that you do Kathleen,
A brilliant and very insightful interview of a true champion for seeking justice of those wrongfully convicted. Is it any wonder that the State of Wisconsin is obfuscating everything Kathleen puts forward? The stakes for them are massive. We all hope that Kathleen gets her day in court and that both Steven and Brendan are released. It's only a matter of time before the truth is finally revealed. Could you imagine the likes of Kratz, Fallon, Gahn, Culhane, Eisenberg and Colborn being questioned by Kathleen Zellner? MaM 3 - bring it 👍
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!
Thank you so much for watching. I’m delighted that you found the interview “brilliant and insightful”. I greatly appreciate it.
Absolutely Dr Silkman I can’t wait for that day to come, let’s hope it’s sooner than later❤️
That bunch must be shaking in fear and desperation. KZ has them circling the drain, and has to watch her back
@@diannelaurier2248 let's see how the State will handle Zellner's latest filing. This time, she gave exactly what the court asked for - a perfect Denny and several Brady violations.
I love Kathleen Zellner ! Her confidence and unwillingness TO NOT GIVE UP
She’s truly an inspiration
Man, I would want this person in my corner. She on point and very good at breaking things down.
She’s my hero and seeing this interview has just confirmed that she’s a great person.
Protect this woman at all costs!
Yes indeed
Excellent interview! I wish all Lawyers had the thought process and the drive Kathleen Zellner presents. Striving to unveil the truth for innocent clients is most important and she does it so naturally.
Thank you so much for watching!
Very smart, articulate woman. Pleasure to listen to. Nice flow to the interview as well. The right questions were asked at the right time without interruptions . Just hope she can get Steven out, got the impression that even she was slightly surprised how difficult it’s proving to be
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Kathleen is an amazing incredible human being. Bless her 🙏
She has such a personable demeanor...and yet tough and steady on the case! Love it! 💯
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Such a great interview with Kathleen ! Thanks so much for having her on. I could listen to her all day. I love her passion for justice♥
Thank you so much for watching
I believe this is one of the BEST podcast interviews I have EVER SEEN!!
The questions you asked Kathleen Zellner were unique, ( as to, they haven't been asked hundreds of not millions of times already.) I am glad I got to hear what AMAZING things she had ALREADY done, the IDEAS she had for making the court rooms BETTER, and the way she speaks about mentoring, helping, and believing in YOUNG, NEW LAWYERS / ATTORNEYS of the future if HUMBLING. I would VOTE her in as a Judge ANY DAY!
( P.S. Could you IMAGINE what it would be like if KATHLEEN ZELLNER, KELLY SIEGLER, and JUDGE MILIAN, sat as JUSTICES of the SUPREME COURT?! 🤔😲😁
That is the ULTIMATE DREAM TEAM, IMO!!
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Kathleen is the personification of Justice! ⚖️ Great interview.
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This is in my opinion the best interview she has given in terms of educating the public. It was a great overview of the system not just a focus on one case because of a documentary.
That was exactly my goal. Thank you so much for your beautiful comment. You make all the hard work worth it!
Kathleen is an exceptional mind and a personal hero. 🔥 Thanks for asking such thought-provoking questions.
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Thank you Harvey I just loved that interview!Kathleen is my absolute hero❤️
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Harvey, great job, very professional way to do an interview. I wish there were more lawyers like her. I got indicted on a crime that I did not commit. Wound up having to take a plea deal. My lawyer did not do his job. My case should have been a slam dunk, but they played games with my life instead!!!
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You can understand why corrupt county officials are frightened of her, they all know if she’s on their backs they won’t shake her off. Zellner will get her day in the Avery case
Amazing woman our Kathleen :) Great listen Harvey Brownstone, thankyou, FREE STEVEN AND BRENDAN!!!
Thank you for watching
Great interview!! Loved it! Ken Kratz has no integrity! If he did, he would have never brought charges against Avery and Dassey. What a shame! I hope Steven and Brendan get out someday. Go get em’ Kathleen!
Yes, having Kathleen on our show was a monumental honor for me. This very special episode of our show has become one of the most watched interviews in our entire inventory of shows.
Sos un Gran ejemplo a seguir kathleen Zellner! Gracias infinitas por tu Humanidad y por todo lo que haces por Steven y por miles más. Sos absolutamente Admirable. Gracias!!!
Was so impressed by the facts she raised and you responded. Your professionally background made this interview one of your best. The fact she recognized your strength and integrity speaks volumes. Wonderful job.
Thank you so much!!❤️
6-12 suspected wrongful conviction cases left after a corrupt prosecutor has passed away. That prosecutor will never face justice, so the jurisdiction must. We have to hold jurisdictions accountable, because that will force their hand to create real oversight.
I could listen to her talk for hours
I’m hoping you’ll watch our show for hours! 160 episodes filmed so far!!!
The question why the Evidentiary Hearing never came to fruition for me is now answered. It has boggled my mind since I first viewed Kathleen Zellner's precise steps of examining the evidence against Steven Avery. Now I understand completely. For a true crime aficionado of over forty years, I so admire Ms. Zellner and am grateful for her tenacity, experience and dedication to serve the innocents who have been wrongly convicted. Thank you.
A big thank you to Kathleen Zellner for not giving up on steven Avery. Seems the whole system in the us corrupt in so many ways. They tell us all to trust the system. Its sad money rules over lives. I think that is why they will not let Steven free. Its would cost to much.
This is an awesome listen. Thanks. #freestevenavery #freebrendandasse #freetheinnocent #theworldiswatching. Love and support from Mississippi.
Thank you so much for watching
Classiest lady ever! Smart..brilliant...Love Kathleen.
Thank you so much for watching
She’s an absolute hero! My favourite lawyer ever! More power to you, Kathleen. The world needs more people like you.
How could you not be impressed by this amazing lady?
Believe me, I AM impressed. That’s why we had her on our show!! Thank you so much for watching!❤️
@@harveybrownstoneinterviews8980 Sorry,I didn't mean you specifically. What I meant was how coukd anyone fail to see how amazing she is. My fault.
No need to apologize. I’m just so grateful for your support for our show. That means the world to me
I loooove Kathleen Zellner. She is a true role model and a human being. FREE STEPHEN AVERY.
I’m wondering how many more year’s he and Brendan will be in prison before being free.
@janicescott6569 they will never be free. That’s what I honestly believe
We need more people like Kathleen Zellner!
And I need more viewers like you!!
God bless you Kathleen! You are very courageous and amazingly! I admire you for advocating and fighting for the TRUTH!
Great interview! I am so impressed by Kathleen Zellner. I hope she is able to continue taking cases of innocent people for many years to come and train more tenacious lawyers to do the same!
Thank you so much for watching
Kathleen is Amazing. She is 1 in a Million. ❤️
Yes! And so is this interview!!
She is a powerhouse!!!!!!!!! Bless her heart and the hard work ethic she uses to help innocent people and pursue justice. She would definitely be my #1 choice.
Mine too
Great Interview!! What I do not understand is how Steven's first set of lawyers really drop the ball on getting experts. Why is that? Is it money related? Is it over confidence?
Through their own admission lack of funds was a huge issue for them getting experts.
Thanks for presenting this WONDERFUL interview. Kathleen Zellner is probably the only person in this country that has a chance to get justice for Steven Avery in the Wisconsin court system because she WILL NEVER QUIT when she is passionately convinced her client is INNOCENT.
Unfortunately many thousands of innocent prisoners will never be able to get justice & will serve their entire sentence, even die as an innocent person serving life without parole, or refuse parole rather than admit to guilt to be released. My son served his entire sentence in spite of us spending our life's savings trying to get ANY chance to prove his innocence. No one in the Wisconsin justice system has ANY interest in an innocent person's story.
I am passionate about the Avery/Dassey case & anything to do with Kathleen Zellner. This was one of the most delightful & inspirational interviews I've seen in a long time.
When Kathleen took a second look at the case when Ryan Ferguson asked her to, she realized the case was bogus, & it should be easy to overturn because the evidence is completely fabricated & misleading to the jury. She didn't realize how deep or how high the corruption would take her. What should have been a hearing to present the case, followed by a new trial & release has turned into a HUGE MUD HOLE of excrement to wade through. I see she has her "big girl boots" on, & will continue to wade through it until she gets to "solid ground" & drag the entire state of Wisconsin into the middle of the excrement.
This woman is AMAZING ! WE LOVE YOU KETHLEEN ALL THE RESPECT FOR YOU ,DO NOT STOP FIGHTING FOR JUSTICE🙏💛🦋
My upmost Respect to that Lady!!!Greetings and best wishes to her and her Family from Switzerland
Kathleen Zellner is an incredibly gifted lawyer to people who need a justice who also has a conscience. What a wonderful woman from God.
That was absolutely riveting. MUCH respect to both of you. 😍😍😍
Thank you so much for watching!!! I live for feedback like yours!!!❤️
I could listen to her all day. I re-watch MAM all the time for her segments. She’s incredibly brilliant
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Thank god for good lawyers and generally good people like her
And I thank God for my loyal viewers
We need Kathleen Zellner as the next U.S. President. She is the epitome of integrity and honor. My admiration for Her work ethic as well as her ethical standards are unsurmountable. Simply a beautiful soul.
She’s WAY too smart to want to be a politician.
@@harveybrownstoneinterviews8980 Exactly what We need as a country.
So true. Unfortunately, the kind of people who should be leaders are not interested in the job because of the toxicity of politics. Its very sad
Kathleen you’re legendary and thank you for everything.
Such a fascinating, thought provoking and intelligent interview. I'm so glad I stumbled across it. Thank you.
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She is absolutely exceptional! Absolutely exceptional.
And she gave me an absolutely exceptional interview
She cares about her clients so much that she learns every single detail of the case which is rare for lawyers to do thats the secret to her success
You are 100% correct. When I was a criminal court judge, the most common flaw I saw in lawyers was a lack of preparation. Most defence lawyers are paid by Legal Aid, and they’re simply not paid enough to spend dozens of hours working for each client.
Thank you for helping Johnny win his case. You are forever loved ❤
What a fantastic human. So calm, so confident, not really phased by what who says or thinks, just stands her ground and sticks with what she believes. My prayers go out to @Stephen Avery and may Kathleen prove to be your angel, that gets you justice and most of all, your freedom! I wholeheartedly believe the documentary in which Kathleen got the experts to investigate, is fair and didn't try to be more favorable to Stephen. My question is: could it even be "higher up" putting pressure on judges to prevent a re-trial, out of fear 1. For loss of faith in the American justice system, 2. A renewed claim against corrupt Manitowoc County, police and that AWFUL prosecutor.....makes you think doesn't it.....
I knew for a long time how brilliant and tenacious she was but when she sat so comfortably and not hurriedly inside the home of the poirly kept Avery household I knew how special she truly is!! Even I am more judgmental and I too am poor...it's the kind of comfortable I admired in my mother!!!
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the incredible sense of justice that seems to genuinely comes across from Kathleen Zellner is refreshing. In an ideal world politicians would be like her.
Yes Kathleen really opened up in this exclusive interview. I loved every moment of our time together. Thank you so much for watching
Harvey - your opening words immediately gave me a lift - thanks - I'll get back to the video
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Kathleen Zellner is such a special attorney! I wish ALL attorneys had her heart for real truth and justice!! God bless you Kathleen and THANK YOU FOR YOUR PASSION FOR TRUTH!!❤
*AND SOME JUDGES* I wish had the SAME passion for truth!
Amen to that!
Kathleen is by far the smartest and most beautiful lawyer this great nation has.
I've watched a handful of Harvey's interviews, all across the board of entertainment subjects, and it's amazing and delightful just how prepared, how much research and knowledge goes into these so that interviews across many different subjects are of such high quality.
That’s so kind of you Jess. Thank you so much!🙏❤️
1 need not be a genius to see the blatant flaws in the SA case. How them in charge in the US, can close their eyes on this, is mind boggling.
If anyone can help Steven Avery, Kathleen Zellner can. Wonderful interview x
The best interviewer I’ve ever listened to!!! Bravo 👏 u have a new fan!! 😎 u r excellent & Kathleen Zellner is my Hero! Steven Avery is innocent and it’s hard to comprehend how those who know he is, sleep at night! It’s the biggest injustice that has ever occurred in American Law!
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Follow the money
No. Follow our show!!!🙏❤️
This is such a great interview, Kathleen has so much integrity compared to cops, prosecutors, judges who seemingly could care less about truth! Not to mention cops!
Well, speaking as a retired judge, we DO care about truth. But in a courtroom, truth is determined by the evidence. And yes, judges do sometimes get things wrong.
She’s a rockstar!!!
She is brilliant , but she doesnt even use big words. She talks like the average person, and comes across as an average person. So cool!🕊
Thank you so much for pointing that out. You’re 100% correct. Using plain language is so important to be an effective communicator.
It is amazing to me that despite the accumulation of so much new evidence and the undermining of the prosecution's evidence, the process leading to the retrial of Steven Avery is so complicated and time-consuming. I function in a different i.e. European, continental legal system. In your country in the United States, isn't there a path for the prosecutor's office to be re-involved in the investigation if there is new evidence pointing to a different perpetrator? Isn't there a path to request an investigation if new facts have emerged in the case?
Intelligence and solid values. May you and your team save many more. I am a fan.
Terrific interview. I knew people who worked on the series. KZ is an inspiration.
Thank you so much for watching!
Love what you are doing Kathleen. YOU ROCK!!
THANK YOU SO MUCH KATHLENE YOUR A SUPERSTAR
Wonderful interview. Thank you.
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Powerful interview Harvey. Can’t wait to check out Kathleen’s show. I especially liked listening about the “tells” of the truly innocent. Both of you change lives.
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Kathleen is such a whole hearted woman.
With the world being as corrupt as it is, I really hope more up and coming Attorneys take a leaf out of kathleen book of truths and dig deeper into the books of lies and corruption.
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I can listen to this women for hours
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Todos los abogados del mundo deben aprender de ella, ejemplo a seguir eh!!!
I love this lady I hope to do what she has done in her career it’s beautiful and we need more ppl like this as judges and police they dnt have empathy, smarts, or common sense honestly when it comes to police and judges they make so many mistakes on ppls lives and could care less it’s disgusting like I get shivers watching these disgusting police and judges ignore innocents
Wonderful person ms zellner the world needs you and more people like you. I pray for your well-being all the days of your life.
Did you enjoy the interview?
Yes. I enjoyed the entire interview. I am watching from the Philippines.
Hero!
Great interview! Both of you keep it up!
Thank you so much
Kathleen is correct about the evidentiary hearing. She was right about it during MaM season 2. “They want us to just go away. And quietly. Please, go quietly.”
Kathleen will always do what she believes is best for her clients.
Biggest takeaway from watching the Steven and Brendan Avery cases on Netflix is how cool and calm Kathrine Zellner is with everyone she works with on her staff, as well as her clients and experts. I strive to be like her in my life.
So well said. I agree with you. Thank you so much for watching. I hope you’ll subscribe to our UA-cam channel!🙏❤️
I just watched documentary on Avery's case and I totally agree with you all !
Eh! from Canada 🇨🇦
Thanks for thinking to interview Kathleen Zellner ♥️
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So glad to of come across your channel I appreciate your manners and diplomacy. When I saw Kathleen was your guest I shot right over and subscribed!
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Can you re-interview her with updates? I understand they are going to higher courts, but I have so many questions about what that means. This is my third time watching this one alone. Great job!
Sorry but as of the present time there are no updates. There is no progress on the case.
Update-Lost ALL the frivolous appeals and Avery still guilty of murdering that poor girl.
You can tell that Kathleen REALLY knows her stuff. And the fact that she turned down multimillion dollar civil payouts to focus on exonerating wrongfully convicted individuals says a lot about her character. She seems to be super well rounded in her legal experience touching everything from civil to criminal trials to appellate law
Come on. She is a wealthy attorney. She has just as much character as the next person; no more, no less. AND Avery is 100% guilty.
@@milart12 just saying. You learn a lot about people when they can either do something moral or take the cash. You don’t know until you’re in that situation. It looks like she was able to find a way to do both and good on her for that. You only get one go around in this life and to dedicate it to this cause says a lot.
@@TrevanDotCom But what is particularly "moral" about her. Don't you think the vast majority of people want genuinely innocent people freed? Of course, they do. Most attorneys would LOVE to be in her position. BTW, Zellner's husband is a commodities broker, and they live in a mansion in a wealthy suburb. She has made tons of money off of these cases. Is it moral to accuse these police officers of framing an innocent man without a shred of evidence?
Im from the Philippines , i wish there are more Kathleen zellner in the world. I can imagine how many innocent people are locked up because of the old ways police interrogation.
She mentions my city, Houston and Kim Ogg. And she's absolutely right. We will vote her out this year.
Great! Good luck!
i fall in love with this fantastic lawyer i really hope she gets steve and his nephew out and i m so happy that joined #justice for Johnny Depp
she s terrific
The documentary series was one of the first things I watched to see if I could tell which of the many characters were telling the truth based on a verbal pattern I had been noticing in liars. I didn't see a stick of manipulation in AWESOME Zellner!! I loved seeing her very detailed questions and analyzing the facts to figure out what really happened in the case.
Amazing interview. I do believe Kathleen is right; all the people involved with what happened to Teresa, someone who knows something is going to eventually get a conscience and take the weight of this huge lie off their shoulders. It's just heart wrenching for Brendan and Steven in the meantime 😒
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An honor, Ms. Zellner!
It was truly an honor to have her on our show.
She is a Legend. She relies on Facts & Truth. Not Lies & Fake Charges. Defending the innocent who have been wrongly charged guilty by crooked Police, Sherrifs, Procecutors & Judges. Go get em Kathleen.
There are many people who cannot afford reputable lawyers, why can't (after learning the "appointed attorney" works for the state not for the defendant) why can't they hire a law student in graduate school?
Trust me. Law students are NOT qualified to do anything in court
@@harveybrownstoneinterviews8980 you probably know 😁thank you! The "lawyer "appointed"to me was not good, I was just wondering & that was THAT (as I said) public pretender some may be better. Because of that forced admission of guilt I may not have been put in prison for real but I've been in my apartment only venturing out to the corner market since 2013 I now have serious trust issues 😪
My heart goes out to you
@@harveybrownstoneinterviews8980 it's all good lol .bit thank you!😁
Thank You Kathlene. I still believe they are both INNOCENT ❤️🇺🇸🕊️✨🕊️✨
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Her voice is so pleasant I'll bet she can sing very well😊😊😊❤❤❤❤❤
Ummm….ok if you say so.
Congratulations for the interview.
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Thank God for Kathleen Zellner.
And I thank God for the millions of viewers who watch our show!