Vid T M Krishna held a dialogue with Music students, performers and enthusiasts. The dialogue was centred around Raga and performance. This was held on 7th Jan 2022
Oh! How do I admire you artist ? You r neither music nor into music ; You are MUSIC. Salutations to your brilliant depth brilliance and as a monument of art form - the creativity _ Shivam if I can call it in my humble language . Such a great experience to listen to your explanation no second to listen to your musical performances
not even a single minute the conversation gets bored . knowledge just flows like anything from sirs mind . extremely thankful for ganabharathi for hosting the programme with such a great maestro !!!!!!!!😊 . looking forward to have an another session like this .
What a supremely useful and practical conversation. Unable to stop at any point. Thanks for all the pointers for beginer and intermediate Carnatic musicians.
Very good discourse. I am only a music lover, not a musician, not even a student of music. But, the discipline of the discourse is superb and magnificent.
The one thing that I always like about Krishna. He always precisely defines himself. 1:20 "Including me, we all speak words. It doesn't mean what we are saying." "People who speak intelligently, do not know everything they speak" 👌👌👏👏👏
Thanks Ganabharathi for hosting this very good discussion with Vid. T.M. Krishna on several topics. I hope there'll be more such discussion sessions in the future with other well-known artists.
I liked this convo very much. Worth listening. I now have a different perspective of TMK. I think, if he did not unruffle the feathers of traditional carnatic music by criticising the old and existing patterns, or finding fault with the doyens including Thyagabrahmam, practice of so-called casteism, and instead concentrated on his ways of purveying Carnatic Music, he would not become a pariah to C'Music. That is, say what u want to say and follow what u want to follow, but why do that by attacking the existing system or its pantheon of erstwhile and extant Greats, just because he finds faults in them or their behaviour. Let him be a path breaker, but in doing so, let him not stir the hornet's nest. Let him show he's different, but not by making others look silly. Let him not tread on the lines of Kamal, who had the audacity to call T a beggar. Or behave like Periyar. I don't want to say more ... But this interaction was very good. And that it happened in Mysore, it feels even more good.
TMK is a genious,scholar,ready to face any challenge looks fine.If so why he instead of wasting his time and energy in simply finding fault with the traditional Carnatic music and early composers come out with his own new Carnatic music and train millions of people and popularise it? I was an admirer of. TMK later his attitude and mano dharma was totally opposite to his gimmicks on the stage.In our indian system of education questioning is encouraged.But he is simply blowing his own trumpet for the sake of popularity.
What is beautifully brought out from the lecdem on poramboke padal is that, this lyric is better set in a folk tune than in Anandabhairavi. They don't seem to work together.
I dont agree with him on spliting Sahityam for the sake of Ragam or ghamakam. Seems he is trying to validate to an extent the way Tamil Singers sing Tyaagaraja kritis by killng the richness/essance of telugu sahityam, bhavam and bhakti and make it just a musical rhetoric of Ragam. One should not put ragam above sahityam or vice- versa. In my opinion both should go in tandem and compliment each other. The best reference here is for example In telugu there is an old saying I quote "Ramuni Tho Kapi varundiitlaniyen" . If one says RamuniThoka pivarunditlaniyen" the entire meaning changes. It becomes "The tail of Rama" or "Rama's Tail" instead of " The KAPI (Hanuman) told Rama..😀😀😛 Having said that "Saadhinchene Manasa - Aarabhi" sang by M.Bala Muralikrishna. Listen to it the way he presented it. Really a text book presentation.
My thoughts....Tunes are the basics of Music and Words are basics of talking. We can try to bring in words properly in music if it happens it happens well and good but if it does not it is still a music.
I request viewers of this vedeo not to be carried away by what this vedeo has tried to give. It is only confusing and not established any thing.I can not understand why these type of interactions are arranged. we can find in mysore itself there are so many vidwans ,knowledgeble listneres who can impart more than this discussion . is it necessary for classical music to arrange this type of interactions is a subject which has to be seriously thought of. i dont know what the listners will do by taking these answers.
U see wise guys. Concrete also has gods because God is everywhere so you start visuslizing god in concrete then concrete becomes poetry that's all i say be a hindu first the undont hv to ask these experiments for things which are true already
He is trying to corrupt the bhava built over centuries.He is trying to become great by corrupting all aspects of Carnatic music.Degenerating classical music to bathroom level music.
I have enjoyed Carnatic music throughout my life without any complications as TMK professes here. Many connoisseurs without technical knowledge exist and they enjoy music. Is there any use of these discussions . Every sentence is complicated , but he says keep it simple He has made money, like other musicians, singing creations of All great saints and creators without paying any royalty and belittling the Bhava in an insinuating way. He should restrospect if all these deliberations make any use for music perse.
Topic of discussion is given ahead of time. After the topic is presented by the speaker, the floor is open for questions !!!!! There are many knowledgeable speakers in kannada in Mysore, what was the need to invite a controversial personality ?
You make lot of statements. Atleast I don't understand any of your statements as they are not connected to each other. For instance, what if the questions are rehearsed? After all, many non-controversial people (musicians) anyways practice their korvais ahead of the kutcheri. T M Krishna doesn't say, I don't like,dot, he gives his argument. Ofcourse, you can disagree. May be write an article or even better author a book disagreeing with T M Krishna's views sequencentially. He is talking to music students, what is the problem if he talks about controversial views? He never begged the audience to accept his views. Mysore indeed has so many scholars but should it mean the person of your choice should be there ? I guess you could suggest if you have any speakers in your mind. If the organisers are not listening to your advice, you could upload it in UA-cam yourself :). Good luck 🤞
@Anuradha Arun , I am not attempting to answer any of your question. I am bit puzzled with your pondering statements and unarticulated questions. If you are choosing to bash the program/artist/organiser at least make better choice of words. Unfortunately, we are recording our views in public. You cant call something stupid and duck away when asked for explanation.
Deplorable Views By TM KRISHNA ON KASAB HANGING: The first concerns capital punishment. The laws of our land are, purportedly, founded on certain moral guiding principles. But I fail to see any moral justification for capital punishment. Not very long ago, when we fought and earned the right to govern ourselves as a nation, we did so by wielding a very powerful weapon - ahimsa or non-violence - one that defeated the enemy not militarily but morally. Isn't it anachronistic then that today we seek to punish criminals in the most violent way possible: by taking their lives? The judge who condemned Kasab to the gallows proclaimed that he was inhuman and undeserving of any mercy. But is it just being merciful to spare someone the death sentence? Isn't it also the morally right thing to do? Agreed that any punishment must be proportional to the gravity of the crime but if we are serious about preserving our identity as a nation founded on the principle of non-violence, shouldn't we at least debate the morality of capital punishment? By TM KRISHNA ON KASAB HANGING Mr TM Krishna hope you are made to serve in BSF for 5 years. Would see whether you speak the same rubbish after that experience.
Well talented artist gone astray, not sure the agenda behind it. Why try to destroy the culture that has been nurtured with Bhakthi. New ideas are welcome. If so intelligent, Why not create a new type of music in his name.
What did he do to his wife Sangeeta? She's stopped singing after marrying him. She was better than him. What a male chauvinist egomaniac he actually is.
Vid. Sangeetha Sivakumar still continues to perform. Kindly inform yourself before making random nonsensical accusations, and please stop being a fool.
Some streak of madness has got him.classical singing or any classical artform is grown over the period of time.lot of contribution by innumerable rasikas has nurtured it.you can not disreepect them.
He is clearly abusing the God given gift of singing carnatic music. T. M. Krishna makes it look like he has been schooled extremely well with a single minded focus on destroying the entire repository of South Indian classical music like the invaders who destroyed the Nalanda and Tashashila universities. Speedy action is required to bring T. M. Krishna's highly destructive efforts to a grinding halt. This TTK family, once very reputed, has allowed the DMK goons into their family with Dhayanidhi Maran marrying Ram's (owner of The Hindu newspaper) sister. Ram's brother Murali heads the Madras Music Academy. T.M. Krishna is a nephew. So he clearly has been given the license to destroy the foundation of Carnatic music. It is time a more prestigious academy be opened completely run and governed by musicians and we all stop patronizing the Madras Music Academy hereon.
Language spoken in chennai is not Tamil. How can he tune carnatic music in that dialect and words. It didn't work...He tried to show his atheistic and rebellious pleasure. But it is a flop.
Oh! How do I admire you artist ?
You r neither music nor into music ;
You are MUSIC.
Salutations to your brilliant depth
brilliance and as a monument of art form - the creativity _ Shivam if I can call it in my humble language .
Such a great experience to listen to your explanation no second to listen to your musical performances
not even a single minute the conversation gets bored . knowledge just flows like anything from sirs mind . extremely thankful for ganabharathi for hosting the programme with such a great maestro !!!!!!!!😊 . looking forward to have an another session like this .
What a supremely useful and practical conversation. Unable to stop at any point. Thanks for all the pointers for beginer and intermediate Carnatic musicians.
Very good discourse. I am only a music lover, not a musician, not even a student of music. But, the discipline of the discourse is superb and magnificent.
The one thing that I always like about Krishna. He always precisely defines himself.
1:20
"Including me, we all speak words. It doesn't mean what we are saying."
"People who speak intelligently, do not know everything they speak"
👌👌👏👏👏
It was fantastic talk. So informative. Thank you very much for the organisers and TM Krishna Sir
Absorbing dialogue with the maestro !!! Extremely satisfying and fulfilling 2hr48mts of musical discourse....
Thanks Ganabharathi for hosting this very good discussion with Vid. T.M. Krishna on several topics. I hope there'll be more such discussion sessions in the future with other well-known artists.
I love your bond with music, you are the one who can change the way to learn and practice music. Admiring you Mr TMK
In life one cannot explain this much the meaning of promboke
Ha, ha😂...nicely song, I am hearing it first time.
Beautifully described all young and future's musian and creators sould once must listen. TM Krishnan sir
Wonderful session! Love this! Thank you!
I liked this convo very much. Worth listening. I now have a different perspective of TMK. I think, if he did not unruffle the feathers of traditional carnatic music by criticising the old and existing patterns, or finding fault with the doyens including Thyagabrahmam, practice of so-called casteism, and instead concentrated on his ways of purveying Carnatic Music, he would not become a pariah to C'Music. That is, say what u want to say and follow what u want to follow, but why do that by attacking the existing system or its pantheon of erstwhile and extant Greats, just because he finds faults in them or their behaviour. Let him be a path breaker, but in doing so, let him not stir the hornet's nest. Let him show he's different, but not by making others look silly. Let him not tread on the lines of Kamal, who had the audacity to call T a beggar. Or behave like Periyar. I don't want to say more ...
But this interaction was very good. And that it happened in Mysore, it feels even more good.
TMK raises above all his contemporaries by his broad knowledge and his liberal thoughts, which is also the need of the hour.
Such a fine analysis in response to the queries.. TMK is great.
If possible, please invite Prince Rama Varma on a similar discussion. Also, RK Shiramkumar
TMK is a genious,scholar,ready to face any challenge looks fine.If so why he instead of wasting his time and energy in simply finding fault with the traditional Carnatic music and early composers come out with his own new Carnatic music and train millions of people and popularise it? I was an admirer of. TMK later his attitude and mano dharma was totally opposite to his gimmicks on the stage.In our indian system of education questioning is encouraged.But he is simply blowing his own trumpet for the sake of popularity.
Excellent advice.....very useful to all the music students
T M K is genious . Stalwart . Ready to face any challenge ready to answer any tough question . GT musician
Ultimate explanation pandith ji 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🙏🙏🙏
I am huge fan of his ideologies 💙
What is beautifully brought out from the lecdem on poramboke padal is that, this lyric is better set in a folk tune than in Anandabhairavi. They don't seem to work together.
Excellent speech.Krishna,I admire you
What may be Vid TMKs views then on Sangeetha gnaanamu bhakti vinaa sanmaargamu..composition of Tyagaraja..Is difficult to imagine
TMK is a all rounder …Brilliant Talk show
Brilliant conversation!!
I dont agree with him on spliting Sahityam for the sake of Ragam or ghamakam. Seems he is trying to validate to an extent the way Tamil Singers sing Tyaagaraja kritis by killng the richness/essance of telugu sahityam, bhavam and bhakti and make it just a musical rhetoric of Ragam. One should not put ragam above sahityam or vice- versa. In my opinion both should go in tandem and compliment each other. The best reference here is for example In telugu there is an old saying I quote "Ramuni Tho Kapi varundiitlaniyen" . If one says RamuniThoka pivarunditlaniyen" the entire meaning changes. It becomes "The tail of Rama" or "Rama's Tail" instead of " The KAPI (Hanuman) told Rama..😀😀😛
Having said that "Saadhinchene Manasa - Aarabhi" sang by M.Bala Muralikrishna. Listen to it the way he presented it. Really a text book presentation.
OMG I am going to reuse the phrase "you can dislike somebody but not disrespect them". Hope Krishnaji does not mind that 👍
He himself disrespected many. Just by using nice sentences, does not make that person better.
Agree with @Maya Mallya
@@RamdasIyer he said some people are smart in the way they say..
He might be a suave talker but scratch the surface and Periyar emerges. Such malignancies must be eliminated.
Certainly there are feelings and reasons to be understood for his remarks. Once we dislike or hate generally disrespect comes.
TMK is great!!!!!!!!!
Ha ha ha ... joke of the decade, on "identity" - at @24.15.. same baani and yet one may have no identity!! very good point!
Gold!🙏🏻
My thoughts....Tunes are the basics of Music and Words are basics of talking. We can try to bring in words properly in music if it happens it happens well and good but if it does not it is still a music.
Brilliant conversation
Wonderful 🥺❤️
I feel Rahul gandhi is speeking on music
😂
brilliant
I'm residing in Mysore. Where this Ganabharthi located. How to attend the programme s conducted in this place.
Ganabharathi is located at veene sgeahanna bhavana, Adichunchanagiri raste, Kuvempunagara, Mysuru
you know your stuff duede!!!
2:41:10 💯
being smart is not easy!!
Good move....
We must agree to disagree. Best wishes comrade.
I do not know Hindi nor have heard Hindi words. I enjoy hindustani. It's the music. Weak argument.
He is an opportunist
He speaks like Kamalhaasan and Tharoor. Says a lot, means very less.
Really? With all due respect your mind seems closed to new ideas and thoughts
PORAMBOKKU?
52:55
I request viewers of this vedeo not to be carried away by what this vedeo has tried to give. It is only confusing and not established any thing.I can not understand why these type of interactions are arranged. we can find in mysore itself there are so many vidwans ,knowledgeble listneres who can impart more than this discussion . is it necessary for classical music to arrange this type of interactions is a subject which has to be seriously thought of. i dont know what the listners will do by taking these answers.
U see wise guys. Concrete also has gods because God is everywhere so you start visuslizing god in concrete then concrete becomes poetry that's all i say be a hindu first the undont hv to ask these experiments for things which are true already
Your singing is like loud calling sir
Why can't u call Sanjay subramaniyan ,prince Rama Varma.,unni Krishan . There are so many musicians .
Kindly do not delete my comment. Please publish it. What is the harm in publishing an honest view.
His opening comment as usual training his gun on a particular community and language.He thinks he is a genious and tries to create new combination
He is trying to corrupt the bhava built over centuries.He is trying to become great by corrupting all aspects of Carnatic music.Degenerating classical music to bathroom level music.
@@Mk-yt5yp dumb aa da u are
TMK thinks just like me
I have enjoyed Carnatic music throughout my life without any complications as TMK professes here. Many connoisseurs without technical knowledge exist and they enjoy music. Is there any use of these discussions . Every sentence is complicated , but he says keep it simple He has made money, like other musicians, singing creations of All great saints and creators without paying any royalty and belittling the Bhava in an insinuating way. He should restrospect if all these deliberations make any use for music perse.
So are you able to sing like him? These discussions are beneficial for learning
Any how got the magasese award, now trying another foreign award
Topic of discussion is given ahead of time. After the topic is presented by the speaker, the floor is open for questions !!!!! There are many knowledgeable speakers in kannada in Mysore, what was the need to invite a controversial personality ?
You make lot of statements. Atleast I don't understand any of your statements as they are not connected to each other.
For instance, what if the questions are rehearsed? After all, many non-controversial people (musicians) anyways practice their korvais ahead of the kutcheri. T M Krishna doesn't say, I don't like,dot, he gives his argument. Ofcourse, you can disagree. May be write an article or even better author a book disagreeing with T M Krishna's views sequencentially.
He is talking to music students, what is the problem if he talks about controversial views? He never begged the audience to accept his views. Mysore indeed has so many scholars but should it mean the person of your choice should be there ? I guess you could suggest if you have any speakers in your mind. If the organisers are not listening to your advice, you could upload it in UA-cam yourself :).
Good luck 🤞
@@sivasudhanr3456 If you don't understand my comment, why bother to answer?
@Anuradha Arun , I am not attempting to answer any of your question. I am bit puzzled with your pondering statements and unarticulated questions. If you are choosing to bash the program/artist/organiser at least make better choice of words. Unfortunately, we are recording our views in public. You cant call something stupid and duck away when asked for explanation.
@@sivasudhanr3456 He is a great musician no doubt. I am not trying to bash any artist. The whole music fraternity is aware of the controversies.
Chill bro
Deplorable Views By TM KRISHNA ON KASAB HANGING:
The first concerns capital punishment. The laws of our land are, purportedly, founded on certain moral guiding principles. But I fail to see any moral justification for capital punishment. Not very long ago, when we fought and earned the right to govern ourselves as a nation, we did so by wielding a very powerful weapon - ahimsa or non-violence - one that defeated the enemy not militarily but morally. Isn't it anachronistic then that today we seek to punish criminals in the most violent way possible: by taking their lives? The judge who condemned Kasab to the gallows proclaimed that he was inhuman and undeserving of any mercy. But is it just being merciful to spare someone the death sentence? Isn't it also the morally right thing to do? Agreed that any punishment must be proportional to the gravity of the crime but if we are serious about preserving our identity as a nation founded on the principle of non-violence, shouldn't we at least debate the morality of capital punishment?
By TM KRISHNA ON KASAB HANGING
Mr TM Krishna hope you are made to serve in BSF for 5 years. Would see whether you speak the same rubbish after that experience.
Well talented artist gone astray, not sure the agenda behind it. Why try to destroy the culture that has been nurtured with Bhakthi. New ideas are welcome. If so intelligent, Why not create a new type of music in his name.
self references
38:50 2:41:10
As usual... Confused talk.... Boring...
Mediocre master going to confuse young people who want to learn karnataka classic music M ore mediocre masters who can go one day to mental asylum
What did he do to his wife Sangeeta? She's stopped singing after marrying him. She was better than him. What a male chauvinist egomaniac he actually is.
Vid. Sangeetha Sivakumar still continues to perform. Kindly inform yourself before making random nonsensical accusations, and please stop being a fool.
Some streak of madness has got him.classical singing or any classical artform is grown over the period of time.lot of contribution by innumerable rasikas has nurtured it.you can not disreepect them.
He's in the wrong profession. All he wants is some attention, poor guy.
He is clearly abusing the God given gift of singing carnatic music. T. M. Krishna makes it look like he has been schooled extremely well with a single minded focus on destroying the entire repository of South Indian classical music like the invaders who destroyed the Nalanda and Tashashila universities. Speedy action is required to bring T. M. Krishna's highly destructive efforts to a grinding halt. This TTK family, once very reputed, has allowed the DMK goons into their family with Dhayanidhi Maran marrying Ram's (owner of The Hindu newspaper) sister. Ram's brother Murali heads the Madras Music Academy. T.M. Krishna is a nephew. So he clearly has been given the license to destroy the foundation of Carnatic music. It is time a more prestigious academy be opened completely run and governed by musicians and we all stop patronizing the Madras Music Academy hereon.
He thinks he's great.but he is not
Language spoken in chennai is not Tamil. How can he tune carnatic music in that dialect and words. It didn't work...He tried to show his atheistic and rebellious pleasure. But it is a flop.
He is communist yes or no?
A practising Charvaka , not a communist
Yes he is a communist
Yes
We are very unfortunate to have such kind of atheist people in Music.
This t m Krishna is learnt carnatic but midguiding