Yep. The founder of Christianity preached compassion and practiced nonviolence. The founder of Islam preached violence and practiced war. One cannot overestimate the impact of these drastically different starting points.
Did it stop Christians and the West from starting wars? No. Instead, Christians and the west failed to learn how to be gracious in war. Using chemical weapons, nukes, holocaust, it all came from Christians.
Forgive me, but shouldn’t that have occurred to the majority of Christians over the last two millennia, whose history is not exactly full of compassion and nonviolence? Maybe reseeding Christianity isn’t the way to go?
As an atheist I can see that Christianity is superior to Islam for one thing alone. Jesus Christ taught the brotherhood of all mankind whilst Muhammad taught only the brotherhood of Muslims and to wage war on everyone else.
@@docjoei2224 Not exactly. According to authentic Muslim sources, Aisha was six when married and nine at the time of consummation and eighteen when Muhammad died in 632CE.
Imagine thinking Christians haven’t been conducting violence justified by religion. Slavery was justified by it, as was colonialism, and those are just a couple of things. Even the war in the Middle East right now, western governments are allowing another government to enact collective punishment, completely ignoring the turn the other cheek and love thy neighbour of their religion. Not sure if Douglas is as dim as you or acts it in pursuit of darker motives
Without Judeo-Christianity as the foundational belief and practice of Western civilization, morality, justice, mercy, and human decency, the world will continue to devolve into the most evil forms of barbarism, as was perfectly illustrated in Israel on 10/7.
Converting to Islam: British women on prayer, peace and prejudice Around 5,000 British people convert to Islam every year- and most of them are women. Six of them talk about prejudice, peace and praying in car parks. Explaining his recent conversion to Islam, Said Abdul Latif (Fr. Hilarion Heagy) makes an interesting point abt how modern Westerners see themselves. He notes that such ppl hold that when one renounces Christianity for atheism it is not seen as a betrayal of the West, but when one renounces Christianity for Islam, it is seen as a betrayal of the West.
Well, it's a betrayal of western enlightenment values. It's great for Islam, they need all the fresh blood they can get, centuries of consanguineous marriage has really taken it's toll on the Muslim world.
Douglas has been shedding light on this for at least a decade. I found him years ago, when the UA-cam was banning people like him. I didn't understand why he was targeted because everything he said sounded logical, and could be backed up by either current events or irrefutable facts
@@edneslingYou might need to spend more than 5 minutes. Islam LITERALLY believes in child marriage. They defend the practise. Their own “prophet” married a child of SIX and consummated the marriage when she was 9. This is found in authentic Sahih Hadiths/ Islamic religious texts. The Quran states marriage to prepubescent girls is allowed as affirmed in the Tasfir.
Converting to Islam: British women on prayer, peace and prejudice Around 5,000 British people convert to Islam every year- and most of them are women. Six of them talk about prejudice, peace and praying in car parks. Explaining his recent conversion to Islam, Said Abdul Latif (Fr. Hilarion Heagy) makes an interesting point abt how modern Westerners see themselves. He notes that such ppl hold that when one renounces Christianity for atheism it is not seen as a betrayal of the West, but when one renounces Christianity for Islam, it is seen as a betrayal of the West.
@@mohamedali2858 Well, duh! Atheists don't commit acts of terrorism. You're not going to find an angry mob of atheists chanting about death to the West. The same cannot be said of Muslims. Atheists don't have a Quran verse 9:5.
“Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths. Be not wise in your own eyes; fear the Lord, and turn away from evil. It will be healing to your flesh and refreshment to your bones.” Proverbs 3:5-8 ESV
most likely he won,t . he was helping you for last 300 years in stealing wealth of other countries and killing people by millions now the time for punishement has begun
Well spoken. The "planting the seeds" of civilizational Christianity image is derived, I believe, from Ayaan Hirsi Ali's comments at the ARC conference. However, I have one comment in response to Douglas Murray's saying that we need to acknowledge the spring from which our culture has sprung. I would contend that acknowledging the spring is not sufficient, it is necessary to drink from that spring; acknowledging the source is little better than admiring the cut flower. That said, we need more outspoken and well spoken influencers like these two men.
@@peggyoban4069 Yes, you are correct. Guinness gave the cut flower analogy and Ali expanded on it with the seeds metaphor. That was a great panel discussion.
I'm hoping that this was just a small slice of a much longer conversation. Their previous discussion was phenomenal and now, with civilization on the brink of a possible WW3 we need the intellectual stamina and crystal foresight of these gentlemen more than ever. I'm with Douglas and Churchill. I'm not a believer but I recognise the fundamental importance of 'the benefits of civilizational Christianity.' We ignore it at our peril.....
agree 100% - we have been ignoring it & look at where we are ! some small awakening seems to be happening - for instance - look at holland - my fear though is that now we are at the point of no return in many places -- and have lost the resolve to do what is necessary to save ourselves -- does england have the will to expel enough of the radicals they have in their midst to right the ship ? their time is fast approaching --- 15 years maybe 20 ?-- time is no doubt getting short
Without Judeo-Christianity as the foundational belief and practice of Western civilization, morality, justice, mercy, and human decency, the world will continue to devolve into the most evil forms of barbarism, as was perfectly illustrated in Israel on 10/7.
Well said. I consider myself an atheist but I take my children to church. I need not believe in the literal truth of the Bible in order to find meaning and useful scriptures. In my opinion, I would be a selfish parent to deny them the local community around our church.
Converting to Islam: British women on prayer, peace and prejudice Around 5,000 British people convert to Islam every year- and most of them are women. Six of them talk about prejudice, peace and praying in car parks. Explaining his recent conversion to Islam, Said Abdul Latif (Fr. Hilarion Heagy) makes an interesting point abt how modern Westerners see themselves. He notes that such ppl hold that when one renounces Christianity for atheism it is not seen as a betrayal of the West, but when one renounces Christianity for Islam, it is seen as a betrayal of the West.
@@mohamedali2858 Islam and atheism offer me nothing imo regardless of what some British women are doing. Interestingly those women converting enjoy full citizens rights because they live in JudeoChristian culture, where men and women of the christian faith died in wars to give them that freedom and built the commonwealth of nations through migration. Flip the uk to sharia law and I wonder if 5k conversions to islam of british women a year take place. These women do not live in the same conditions other muslim females does under sharia law. Those women dont have choices in muchin life even if things are modernising. I stick with my catholic faith. Like they say If it aint broke dont fix it, 2000 years still going strong. Atheism under guise of socialist communism is still a big threat to western society just not as overt as fanatical religious terrorism.
@@heartofpuregold Regarding to JudeoChristian When Christian apologists frame Christ Jesus, whom they consider to be a God, as a religious adherent to the religion of Judaism in order to somehow “refute” Islām, they seem to forget one very important thing. Judaism isn't Christianity. Judaism considers Christianity to be a polytheistic faith, whereas Muslims are considered to be monotheists who will partake in the next world (Olam Ha-Ba). About religious terrorism you will not see something like this 👇 The United States, Britain, France,Germany, Italy, Canada,Australia 👇👇👇 They issue a joint statement declaring their full support for all that Israel is currently doing in Gaza to exterminate a group under the pretext of self-defense." If they ask you about Western civilization, say: The Germans, the French and the English have caused two devastating world wars in just 20 years. The first killed about 20 million people. The second killed 60 million people. Then the U.S. joined them in Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, Panama, Chile, Guatemala, Al-Demenican … The list is long. After all this in the past and the present, some of the sackers come out for you and lecture about civilized & peaceful society
Matthew 7:12 is essentially the Golden Rule and teaches us empathy. There is nothing like this in the Qaran which is entirely about power dynamics between people.
You are now required to clarify the psychological & moral state that Jesus had when he ordered this. 👇 "Don't think I came to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to cast a peace but a sword.” (Matthew 10:34). "As for my enemies, those who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them in front of me." (Luke 19:27) If you need more there is but I guess this is enough.what happened to the teaching of empathy.
@@mohamedali2858Anyone can read the least bit of context of those verses and see how disingenuous you are. If you think those are serious objections you must be as illiterate as Muhammad who based his false religion on badly communicated folk Christian/Jewish stories and pagan Bedouin gods.
0:03 - Because Jesus loves all of us He spared the adulterous woman by forcing those accusing her to look inwardly at themselves. However.. Jesus also, because He loved her and wanted to bring her to Him, told the adulterous woman to go and “SIN NO MORE”. Jesus didn’t punish her but He didn’t let her go without instructions on how to lead a good and moral life. Jesus wants all of His children back with Him. But we have to choose that ourselves.
A very wise english men.... Indeed Christianity is our legacy... only Jesus Christ is the way... Islam have no meaning to us.... there is no greater elevation than the incarnation of God..... God bless our Anglo-Saxon brothers in England and UK... with love from Germany ❤🏴🇩🇪🇬🇧🙏
no its not but Christianity which is also from the middle east destroyed England's and the rest of europes indigenous culture where even old churches are built on pagan temples .Time to ditch it return to Europes pagan culture or continue to pay with karma with islam taking over which is just an update of christianity .
I really hope that more people start to understand the importance of having a cristian religion (catholic or protestant) and start to live a life acting this teachings.
I really hope that more people start to understand that the Torah Bible and Quran are mere oversized comic books filled with fantastical mythical fairytales. But that contains a few good ideas. But so does comic books.
@@matheuspetter367why not? I am an atheist and have children. I teach them to respect themselves, other people and do good things. It is not mandatory to be a theist to be a good human.
@@RealDonaldTrump123 It's not mandatory, but the lack of a sacred meta reallity (religion) has a huge impact on humanity. If the eternal principles are not thought the chances of getting involved in some woke agenda (that really is the transformation of man in to our most primal instinctes ) is enourmous. Or do you think that the lack of children in the western world doesn't have a relation to the devaluation of the transcendent in face of the material world? P.s: How old are you?
In the Quran, Allah may or may not save a single person, no matter how morally exemplary that person has lived (including Muhammad), depending on Allah's decretive will. In the Bible, God willingly came to a hostile and treacherous world to save people who hated him and even murdered his own Son, to give life and light to people in darkness who deserved only punishment and condemnation and death.
@@edilbekabdyrakhmanov....only those who give their lives to Christ go to heaven. Jews have not accepted Jesus as their Saviour. The 'jesus' that muslims know is not the real Jesus.
@@madwhitehare3635 don’t say that to me, say it to @pattube . He is the one who said Jesus was sent to save the people who he believes murdered him. Which is nonsense
Such an interesting discussion. I see the danger of crushing Christianity in this country (and Europe) as being the danger of the vacuum left behind which will be rapidly filled by the next strongest religion which is currently Islam. - secularism, humanism or atheism is not nearly strong enough to withstand positive beliefs perhaps because it’s a denial or reaction, not a belief in anything above. Who would die for secularism? Not many. But Christianity allows such non-belief to co exist peacefully beside faith- and we learnt our lesson on that following the civil war in England a few centuries ago…(no more burning at the stake). Yet still most mainstream media is allergic to Christianity and mentioning God or Christ Jesus and even Christmas has become the province of Santa and Elf’s and shops etc, not the nativity anymore, or the beauty of holiness or the thrill of coming out out of church with a lovely day ahead. These are not spoken of enough.
not christianity but secularism allows other beliefs to exist as we remember secularism came eventually out of the 30 years war between Catholics and protesents which proves islam is just an update of Christianity .Time to return to europes indigenous pagan culture.
Indeed, very true. Nevertheless, Christianity is also fundamentally rooted in Hope because of the Resurrection. A Christian would tell you that the battle has been won, Christ has conquered death. And so while it is persecuted in the mainstream, Christianity will always triumph, in one form or another.
@@rheacatera8947 Christianty's days are also coming to an end as people are returning to their pagan roots . Anyone who has read the bible and knows christian history knows its all just made up nonsense which also gave birth to islam which is an update which also is going to end the same way.
Faith . Jesus came back . What is so clear to me is the fact he didn’t glorify himself ( although he was the most awe inspiring appearance..totallywonder ours )his message was immediately about God . He lifted his arms into the Heavens and praised God . There was not a second where he appeared that he was wanting me to look at his marvellous miraculous image . That didn’t need to be established, he just was . His message is Thanksgiving and Praise to God . I love that it was all about his Father our Father . Humanity’s Father.
Wait till you realize Priest and Reverends are still putting their genitals into the mouths of little kids. And Pentecostal / Charismatic Churches are taking money from their congregation to fund their private jets.
@@kebeleteeek4227 but the greatest pron star of all times is Muhammad (pron be upon him). Sad, camera was not athing in 6th century Arabia. The world missed an AVN star
"...we find the seeds that planted the flowers and we recede the land. We replant the flowers, the trees and the bushes of our culture and of our civilization..." 👍
John 8:7 KJV So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
I started to listen to Douglas Murray and became interested in his stand against Hama and radical islam. Thank you and may God bless and protect you. We need God and turning back to faith and repentance, giving value to the Scriptures. Why do English people forget, that the first person who translated and printed the Bible in English was executed and burned? His name was William Tyndale, ~1490-1536 he payed with his life for giving access to the Word of God. (from Switzerland)
Besides of myself not being a religious person and the atrocities of the "CHURCH" during its rises, I deeply believe the Christianity is very positive and powerful to sustain way of life of western civilization. A friend of mine says that I am catholic person, even I claim I am not a religious person, because the way I thing about live, person, family and world. Well, so be it. I can not imagine a living in a different way of life.
Arnaldo, do you think that only believing is enought? I don't think that just believing will resolve the western natalities problems and many others (But I would enjoy to hear yout thoughts).
Roman catholicism is not Christianity, it's a pagan religion masking it's as Christian. The popes were and are still the biggest enemies to Christianity.
Atrocities committed in the name of the Church are an oxymoron because Christianity is opposed to violence and the use of Force therefore they were not acting in accordance with Christian Doctrine There are no violent verses in the New Testament Islam on the other hand has a doctrine of warfare against unbelievers an estimated 280 million killed in the name of Allah in 14 centuries 40,000 plus terrorist attacks worldwide just since 9-11 and the Athiest regimes of the 20th Century has over 120 million dead bodies to its name
The Bible defines true religion in the book of James : (To look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep yourself from being polluted by the world's corrupt ways.) Jesus is the perfect king!, we need to listen to him!
Every scholar who studies ancient literacy skills in 1st century Roman controlled Palestine believes that Jesus and his followers were illiterate. Also, the verse you refer to (woman caught in adultery) was made up and inserted by a later Christian, it wasn't originally in the gospel of John. So, in other words, we have dishonest Christians adding stuff to their holy texts and pretending that they go back to Jesus.
Muhammad was illiterate by design, to protect from the accusation that the stories in the Koran about biblical events were stories he read in other texts. In other words, he made a specific decision not to learn how to read
Taqiyya. Moslem lying. He can’t have been illiterate and plundered the Lord’s Prayer, those parables and stories. I’d say Mo was a highly literate con-artist.
I think that Christianity has developed in a way that has allowed other cultures and traditions to be part of it, and that everyone has the freedom to interpret the scriptures.
Haha😂 look to the history just beyond 200 years. Just one example look to Jewish life style in Europe vs in muslim countries last 1000 years I will not till you any information you just go and search
@@MrAhmedelhadidy The Zionist people tells us that it is necessary and realistic to establish a Jewish nation that focuses on politically unifying the world's Jews, protecting them, and preserving their distinctive way of life. The same Zionist people tell us that it is terrorism and extremism to establish an Islamic nation (i.e., Caliphate) that focuses on politically unifying the world's Muslims, protecting them, and preserving their distinctive way of life.
@@MrAhmedelhadidy 300 years ago Christian scientists started inventing the basis for everything the worlds runs off today and Muslim countries today remain those with the worlds lowest IQ.
@@JeDxDeVuhe is saying that anti-semitism has been a Christian thing since its origin. For almost 2000 years. Btw, didn’t Christians commit several genocides against Jews, American Indians, Australian aborigines and people of Congo?
Professor David Wells, in his book “Losing Our Virtue” writes that “the two most important cultural changes that have happened in the twentieth century regarding ourselves … are the shift from character to personality and from nature (meaning human nature) to self-consciousness (meaning being focused on the self). Worth a read. Would be interesting to hear a discussion with this man. Having said that, it does amaze me, that Douglas Murray maintains his intellectual honesty regarding Christ and Christianity despite his lifestyle being at odds with the tenets of both and delivers what could be described as sermons to rival what one can hear in the best of churches these days.
Thanks for the reference. As to DM: Every one of us is a sinner (I Jn 1:10). It is not incumbent on any of us to point the finger of blame (Mt 7:1; Lk 6:36).
Thanks for that comment: I Will check that book out. I also would be interested to know how Douglas squares his belief with his sexuality….(obviously a hugely divisive issue) and whilst I agree with the other reply about us all being sinners, fallen short of the glory of God, and that we are not the ultimate judges of each other, scripture also clearly lays out in both old and new covenants the consequences of these specific sins. Scripture also tells those of us within the body of believers to help restore them. Galatians 6:1 Brothers and sisters, even if a person is caught in any wrongdoing, you who are spiritual are to restore such a person in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, so that you are not tempted as well.”
@Mercyme57. I have no doubt that an intellectually honest person like Douglas Murray is, indeed, wrestling with his own beliefs as they come up against what he clearly discerns happening all around him. I have little to no concerns about Mr. Murray’s sexuality and I leave that wrestling to him, knowing that the people he is associating himself with and the examples of their own lives and confessions of their faith as the reason for those lives will have the effects that they can only have on an honest conscience. “He who walks with wise men will become wise”.
I am a Christian but I know through my study of the Abrahamic Christian judéo- Islamic belief that: ‘Human beings have great status in Islam. They are honoured by God (Qur'an 17:70) and can act as God's vicegerents on earth (Qur'an: 2:30). They are endowed with reason and freewill and therefore are responsible for what they do.’
You really think you know about islam . Well, my was preist was worried about life in nigeria. Considering 100 catherlic priest where killed in nigeria last year. Glad he is safe in united kingdom.
Totally agree. Fighting over who's got the best imaginary friend is just plain ridiculous! It is, however, obvious that Christianity is less of a threat to those who happen to not be Christian, and a Christian society is clearly more free and healthy.
Yes that's it.When I was a kid my Nan (who was very religious)used to say to me "your Grandad isn't a religious man,but he believes in a Christian way of life"and that's it in a nutshell really.A non threatening,fair and honest way of living whether you actually believe in God or not can only be a good thing.
I have empathy for those who have no faith because it is quite literally “a leap of faith“ to choose to believe in that which cannot be substantiated and this is a leap too far for many. Where would the value of a faith be if we knew of Gods existence beyond doubt? That would just be rule by fear. I am not a church goer myself but my upbringing was within the Church of England, which I admired for its former tolerance and sense of service, though sadly it appears increasingly lost nowadays. My simple faith tends to stem primarily from the parables that were so much a part of my childhood worship experience. I feel that I am acquainted with Jesus and I always ask myself what would he do in any given situation! For clarity, I am certainly no Jesus prophet myself and merely a humble admirer of his. Many of today’s latter day social media prophets influencers, however, seem to wish to give the impression that they are of his calibre but I see precious little evidence of that.
I don't know enough to be a judge on the historicity of Jesus. But I am convinced that any transformational message requires a life: An incarnation of the idea, herein of renunciation service and self sacrifice. I am not sure Christianity as it pursued conversion organisation and dominance transmitted it too well.
@@ananthan8951 exactly. God is Devine but religion is of man and can be flawed. But we take the leap of faith to believe in a god despite the rebellion of our “rational” mind. That’s it for me but I would never try to convert another other than perhaps by example if I ever managed to be an example!🤣
No matter what Douglas Murray says, I listen and listen very carefully. I agree with everything he says, unfortunately, I don't have the vocabulary or composure to say it so eloquently. I'm 56 years old, and he's like a mentor to me. I want to be a better speaker, more patient, and considered with my words after I hear what he has to say.
Look man, I don't know you and I have nothing to gain or lose from who you listen to in your spare time but for your own sake, you need to try and find a better person to to look up to. This guy is a completelty dishonest charlatan who mixes lies within almost everything he says and he's a huge hypocrite.
"He who is without sin, cast the first stone" wasn't an invitation to commit violence Douglas, it was a recommendation to search your heart because as we all know. THOSE WHO LIVE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULDNT THROW STONES!
Douglas mentions the incident of the woman taken in adultery from the Book of John; if you remember Jesus was sitting on the ground teaching the people when the elders brought the woman to him for judgement. Understand the woman was in fact guilty, and Jesus saying at the end to her, "Go and sin no more," confirms that, but was is really interesting is that while all of this was going on he was writing something in the dirt in front of him with his finger. The scripture doesn't tell us what he was writing, but one theory scholars propose is that he was writing the sins of all those who had brought the guilt woman there to be judged by Jesus. So, when Jesus says, "All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!” they all knew that they were condemned themselves, so they all melted away one by one. Puts a real spin on the story doesn't it? And it's not that being caught in adultery is ok in Christianity. That bit of scripture is very deep and has a broad and expansive interpretation, is full of god's mercy who has full knowledge of our sinfulness.
My concern with Islam is it just feels sketchy when a religion dictates how you dress, how you eat, how you worship etc. i know there should be guidelines or a moral code on how you act but the rest feels controlling. Maybe the other believers of that faith are okay with that. I was raised Catholic, and a lot I have learned is that God loves us by giving us free will to follow in His goodness, and we may sin or stray but if we repent we are saved with our faith.
I totally agree with what the fellow said about churchills quote. People do need something to live by and it should be as decent as it can be made. Makes me also think of the phrase ‘if you don’t set your own agenda, someone else will do it for you’.
I was at UCSB as an exchange student in 2011. At the time, they had more Nobel prize winners resident on campus than the entire Moslem world has ever had total. So much about the enlightenment. Yes yadda blah 1000 years ago. I'm not talking about 1000 years ago. I'm talking about the rest of the world having moved on from 1000 years ago.
The Islamic golden age is politically correct fable. Anyone who made advances back then were either heretics, Jews or Christians, living in the dying culture taken over by Islam. There is no requirement to pursue knowledge in Islam, regardless of what they tell you.
But we as individuals are 'flowers that wither and die' as you say it. All individuals wither and die.. its is the culture of that country that should develop / improve, grow stronger.. when that ciuntry /culture allows another culture to inviad its soil, then it suffers, withers and dies.. England has/did have a strong national pride/culture, ... but it is being attacked by forgien cultures... You can only mix a culture to a degree before that culture becomes overtaken, watered down to such an extent that it is no longer recognisable.. i think we have already past that point.. goodbye England, polititions have sold our nation, our culture, our pride and joy, for what we cheap labour, for wokness.
This should be watched by people saying religion does not bring any good.I could think of one religion that does not do anything good and it's certainly not Christians.
God is of the Devine whereas religion is of man and therefore flawed. Quite often its actions fall far short of its aspirations as a result of mans fallibility. However, perhaps we must forgive its transgressions if it is apparent that the intention was good and that the failure is regretted. This is perhaps a little too New Testament for some in society that prefer the handing down of guilt from generation to generation.
Don't know if Douglas is a Christian. Unimportant. As an atheist, he's in my corner as a humanitarian. I may be an atheist but I have Christian principles in my veins. Love that man. ❤️
No such thing as an atheist. In fact atheism is a religion itself. When danger strikes we all revert back to our natural roles and being without a higher purpose has left people feeling very empty in society that's y u see hight rates of drugs promiscuity alcohol breakdown of the nuclear family in the western world
I totally disagree. The reason we're in the position now is because of atheists/agnostics in the Enlightenment Era who said "enough with this Christianity-for-all nonsense" and paved the way for secular societies. It hasn't happened in the Muslim world yet.
@@bradbroadhead6518What exactly are Christian values? Read the Bible and tell me it's a moral book with a straight face. It really amazes me how many Christians are truly ignorant of what's inside their holy book.
@@bradbroadhead6518 there's also Spinoza and Hume. I don't believe there's anything such as "Christian" values. Christians do not have a ownership of values. There is simply a humanist way to do things which means to lead with kindness whenever possible and know that peoples' moral/belief compass is relative to their society.
@@tochiRTA I agree that certain values can be said to be held in common among human beings. The Apostle Paul says as much in Romans 2. C. S. Lewis compiled several sayings showing as much from different sources in The Abolition of Man. However, your assertion that “Christian values” do not exist is demonstrably false. Let me provide a couple early examples of the ways Christian values were distinguished from Greco-Roman values. Marital fidelity is taught throughout the Bible (cf. Matthew 5:28; 19, Hebrews 13:4), yet, by contrast, Apollodorus writes, “We have courtesans for pleasure, concubines for the daily tending of the body, and wives in order to beget legitimate children...” (Appollodorus ‘Against Neaira’). In Diognetus (commonly found in collections of the Apostolic Fathers), the author among other things, argues that Christians, while following local customs, are nonetheless marked off as different from their host cultures. One example he provides is, “they do not expose their offspring” (5:6). We know from multiple sources, including Longus, Daphnis and Chloe, that the Greeks and Romans exposed theirs. For a full historical treatment of the question of Christian values and their impact on Western civilization, I recommend Tom Holland’s (the historian, not the actor) book, Dominion. Cheers!
I like Dougy. He's a great comedian. His delivery of pompous superiority is captivating. The Shakespearean cadence accentuates the ejaculation of the punch lines as he masturbates his enormous ego. His euphoria in recognizing his own IQ, is a privilege to witness. Perhaps he is the exempla of swans singing before they die and that it be no bad thing that some men die before they sing?
He’s theory is that Christianity is the more civilised religion in comparison to Islam which is ridiculous and highly hypocritical given the amount of deaths conducted in the name of Christianity in comparison to any religion in the world.
FYI: most historians and biblical scholars agree that story of Jesus and woman caught for adultery was added some time in 4th century. It makes it a Christian tradition but not something that Jesus did (if he existed as described in Gospels).
Not important. Islam was created much later out of Jewish and Christian oddments, falsely proclaiming itself as part of the same tradition. Douglas was just comparing what Islam did with one aspect of it.
@@strongbow3896 Sure, it's not the key factor in his argument. But it's important as matter of the fact check; you cannot claim that "Jesus said that" because most likely it's fictional story created few hundred years after his death. It's just odd when one tries to refute made up stories of Islam with made up stories of Christianity. It's childish reasoning of 6 yo: "My daddy is stronger than your daddy!"
@@tjblues01 The scholars you allude to exist within the Christian framework; discussion of the meanings and origin of the Bible is normative. Islam on the other hand has no self-critical sensibilities. In fact to do so is a CRIME.
It can be traced back to early in the second century. Augustine commented that it had been removed from early manuscripts of the Gospels "to avoid scandal".
@@postscript67 Even if,.... there is still no historical evidence that Jesus did or said that. 2nd century means around 100 - 150 years after Jesus death. I wouldn't choose Augustin as a reliable source, especially knowing how misogynistic he was. And talking about scandals: the whole Christianity was "a scandal" by pretty much all moral standards of the time. One more wouldn't make any difference. But I agree with Douglas; Christian tradition even in times of Muhammad was morally at least 300 years ahead of Islam. The story of Jesus and woman caught for adultery made up in 4th century Muhammad's made up stories 7th century.
Jesus Always Saw/Sees Clearly Through Hypocrisy! - That Is Why He Spoke To The Men Who Accused This Woman Caught In Adultery - Jesus Protected Her And Made Sure That The Men Knew That They Also Had Sinned In The Same Way. Jewish Law Said Both The Man And The Woman Were To Come Forward Who Were Caught In Adultery, Not Just The Woman. Jesus Christ - Christianity. ✝️
We all have sinned (Romans 3:23 KJV). Sinners will end up in the lake of fire (Revelation 21:8 KJV). The Lord Jesus Christ died for our sins, got buried and rose again the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV). You have to put your faith in the blood of Christ for the remission of sins (Romans 3:25 KJV). We are saved by grace through faith, not works (Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV). Water baptism DOESN'T save us (1 Corinthians 1:17 KJV). If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you will be saved (Romans 10:9 KJV).
The inner voice of our conscience steering us our entire lives through what is right and wrong coupled by our unique individual DNA which proves we can never escape spiritual accountability tells us that we are Gods children . The proof and way is right before our eyes.
For nearly 2000 years, Christianity did not allow criticism of Church teachings. This directly inhibited the progress of ethics, politics and science. The notion of free speech originated in Athens. In fact, the ascendance of Christianity coincided with the decline and fall of Rome, followed by a 1000 year stretch that was known as ‘the Dark Ages' for a reason. Slavery persisted happily for centuries after Christianity was dominant in Europe. Surprising to hear Murray praising Christianity given what it teaches on homosexuals. But at least Christianity has a theological mechanism that enables it to evolve unlike Islam, which remains unreformed - and unreformable.
absolutely thats why its laughable that claims of how Christianity was so progressive. Islam is just an update of christianity which is why it was easy for it to plant itself in europe to now end up trying to take over.
I'm a big fan of Douglas but I think it's important to remember that the history of Christianity wasn't all "beer and skittles". Over the last couple of centuries, it's been pulled into line by those who don't submit to a fictitious higher authority and don't accept that certain individuals have been ordained to be the arbiters of our morals.
Here we go again we the comparisons between Islam and Christianity. Brilliant at sugarcoating your religion sir. You just revealed your true intentions are driven by religious affiliations and not by logic or reasoning. But to enlighten you, the Bible has way more bizarre, violent and disturbing content than the Quran. A simple google search will confirm that. Simply put, no Christian has the right to insult Islam. I’ll tolerate an atheist, but y’all just say anything without reading your own book
I have always used the very same metaphor to talk to people who defend Islam. Not to condemn Muslims, but to get a starting point to review Islam in a new modern perspective. Something that had happened to Christianity four hundred years ago. Only using different examples from bibles. Islam needs a Luther and a Lutheran movement big time. I mean if any Muslim thinker dares to take the responsibility.
Islam already had its reformist movement within 100 years, and the corpus of literature encompassing Islamic traditions and civilizational values is far broader and open to interpretation ...plus it has superiority both in quantity and quality, there are more sects in Islam than there are Churches in West. Islamic works on metaphysics, Islamic socialism, and rationalism, anthropomorphism, and economy pre-date any work of simpler quality & caliber in the Western world. The only issue has been that the Islamic world never had a renaissance as there never was a need for it .....which it requires now. Reformism and Fundamentalism cannot dictate the destinies of Muslims for long and the Muslims will likely emerge again. Last 200-300 years have been the "Muslim Dark ages" with colonialism and a steep decline in intellectual endeavors and significant human achievements ...but we will surely usher in a new golden age.
Yep. The founder of Christianity preached compassion and practiced nonviolence. The founder of Islam preached violence and practiced war. One cannot overestimate the impact of these drastically different starting points.
Did it stop Christians and the West from starting wars? No. Instead, Christians and the west failed to learn how to be gracious in war. Using chemical weapons, nukes, holocaust, it all came from Christians.
Forgive me, but shouldn’t that have occurred to the majority of Christians over the last two millennia, whose history is not exactly full of compassion and nonviolence?
Maybe reseeding Christianity isn’t the way to go?
As an atheist I can see that Christianity is superior to Islam for one thing alone. Jesus Christ taught the brotherhood of all mankind whilst Muhammad taught only the brotherhood of Muslims and to wage war on everyone else.
@@docjoei2224 Not exactly. According to authentic Muslim sources, Aisha was six when married and nine at the time of consummation and eighteen when Muhammad died in 632CE.
Imagine thinking Christians haven’t been conducting violence justified by religion. Slavery was justified by it, as was colonialism, and those are just a couple of things. Even the war in the Middle East right now, western governments are allowing another government to enact collective punishment, completely ignoring the turn the other cheek and love thy neighbour of their religion. Not sure if Douglas is as dim as you or acts it in pursuit of darker motives
The whole western world should listen to Douglas, his view of the world is so true and wise
Without Judeo-Christianity as the foundational belief and practice of Western civilization, morality, justice, mercy, and human decency, the world will continue to devolve into the most evil forms of barbarism, as was perfectly illustrated in Israel on 10/7.
Converting to Islam: British women on prayer, peace and prejudice
Around 5,000 British people convert to Islam every year- and most of them are women. Six of them talk about prejudice, peace and praying in car parks.
Explaining his recent conversion to Islam, Said Abdul Latif (Fr. Hilarion Heagy) makes an interesting point abt how modern Westerners see themselves. He notes that such ppl hold that when one renounces Christianity for atheism it is not seen as a betrayal of the West, but when one renounces Christianity for Islam, it is seen as a betrayal of the West.
Well, it's a betrayal of western enlightenment values. It's great for Islam, they need all the fresh blood they can get, centuries of consanguineous marriage has really taken it's toll on the Muslim world.
Hebrews 6:4-8
@@mohamedali2858no
You have to leave UK
And stop protesting in NYC and Sydney too
"We replant the trees and the flowers" - beautifully said.
Douglas has been shedding light on this for at least a decade. I found him years ago, when the UA-cam was banning people like him. I didn't understand why he was targeted because everything he said sounded logical, and could be backed up by either current events or irrefutable facts
I did 5 minutes of looking on islam and found it was quite nice....why don't you spend 5 minutes
Leftism is anti-logical
@@runeskyttsing9089which parts of Islam did you not like?
@@ednesling5 minutes ⁉️ 😅😂😅😂😅
@@edneslingYou might need to spend more than 5 minutes. Islam LITERALLY believes in child marriage. They defend the practise. Their own “prophet” married a child of SIX and consummated the marriage when she was 9. This is found in authentic Sahih Hadiths/ Islamic religious texts.
The Quran states marriage to prepubescent girls is allowed as affirmed in the Tasfir.
Love listening to you Douglas Murray, I am a great admirer of your bravery and standing up against bullies. Am praying for you. God bless you
"The civilizational benefits of Christianity." - well put.
Dark Ages?
Converting to Islam: British women on prayer, peace and prejudice
Around 5,000 British people convert to Islam every year- and most of them are women. Six of them talk about prejudice, peace and praying in car parks.
Explaining his recent conversion to Islam, Said Abdul Latif (Fr. Hilarion Heagy) makes an interesting point abt how modern Westerners see themselves. He notes that such ppl hold that when one renounces Christianity for atheism it is not seen as a betrayal of the West, but when one renounces Christianity for Islam, it is seen as a betrayal of the West.
@@mohamedali2858 That is very understandable, because Western values were shaped by Christianity, and they are at odds with Islamic theocracy.
@@mohamedali2858 Well, duh! Atheists don't commit acts of terrorism. You're not going to find an angry mob of atheists chanting about death to the West. The same cannot be said of Muslims. Atheists don't have a Quran verse 9:5.
@@DemPilafianThat was a result of the fall of the western Roman Empire and the popularized conception is a myth.
You make some beautiful points Douglas ......blessings and appreciation from Sydney .
mean nothing ,
God help us, thanks Douglas
“Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths. Be not wise in your own eyes; fear the Lord, and turn away from evil. It will be healing to your flesh and refreshment to your bones.”
Proverbs 3:5-8 ESV
most likely he won,t . he was helping you for last 300 years in stealing wealth of other countries and killing people by millions now the time for punishement has begun
well said from the heart. God Bless him for what he believes.👌👏👍
barbaric crusaders.
crusades will start again in near future the way things are moving in west@@faisalalkhedhrawi7311
Thank you Douglas I can listen to you all day.. God bless you 🇦🇺👏🙏
Outstanding and remarkable work exposing the truth Douglas and John! 💯 God bless you! 💯✝️🕊🙏 🙌 ❤️🫂👣
Well spoken. The "planting the seeds" of civilizational Christianity image is derived, I believe, from Ayaan Hirsi Ali's comments at the ARC conference. However, I have one comment in response to Douglas Murray's saying that we need to acknowledge the spring from which our culture has sprung. I would contend that acknowledging the spring is not sufficient, it is necessary to drink from that spring; acknowledging the source is little better than admiring the cut flower. That said, we need more outspoken and well spoken influencers like these two men.
It is from Os Guinness’s metaphor of the cut flowers and Ali took that a step further with the seeds - see the panel with Ali and Guinness at ARC.
@@peggyoban4069 Yes, you are correct. Guinness gave the cut flower analogy and Ali expanded on it with the seeds metaphor. That was a great panel discussion.
Thank you, you expressed what I wanted to say perfectly! Xx
He's not an influencer, he's a sky news reporter.......
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I'm hoping that this was just a small slice of a much longer conversation. Their previous discussion was phenomenal and now, with civilization on the brink of a possible WW3 we need the intellectual stamina and crystal foresight of these gentlemen more than ever. I'm with Douglas and Churchill. I'm not a believer but I recognise the fundamental importance of 'the benefits of civilizational Christianity.' We ignore it at our peril.....
agree 100% - we have been ignoring it & look at where we are ! some small awakening seems to be happening - for instance - look at holland - my fear though is that now we are at the point of no return in many places -- and have lost the resolve to do what is necessary to save ourselves -- does england have the will to expel enough of the radicals they have in their midst to right the ship ? their time is fast approaching --- 15 years maybe 20 ?-- time is no doubt getting short
Without Judeo-Christianity as the foundational belief and practice of Western civilization, morality, justice, mercy, and human decency, the world will continue to devolve into the most evil forms of barbarism, as was perfectly illustrated in Israel on 10/7.
You can watch the whole conversation, linked in the description. Very, very rich content.
@@nguyenvpicipmu Of course! I should have read further, but your heads-up is really appreciated. I'm looking forward to watching the full discussion.
Well said. I consider myself an atheist but I take my children to church. I need not believe in the literal truth of the Bible in order to find meaning and useful scriptures. In my opinion, I would be a selfish parent to deny them the local community around our church.
This enlightenment is outstanding. I appreciate you time and knowledge. I call this priceless..
He got my ears, well spoken.
Amen🇩🇪🙏
Converting to Islam: British women on prayer, peace and prejudice
Around 5,000 British people convert to Islam every year- and most of them are women. Six of them talk about prejudice, peace and praying in car parks.
Explaining his recent conversion to Islam, Said Abdul Latif (Fr. Hilarion Heagy) makes an interesting point abt how modern Westerners see themselves. He notes that such ppl hold that when one renounces Christianity for atheism it is not seen as a betrayal of the West, but when one renounces Christianity for Islam, it is seen as a betrayal of the West.
@@mohamedali2858 Islam and atheism offer me nothing imo regardless of what some British women are doing. Interestingly those women converting enjoy full citizens rights because they live in JudeoChristian culture, where men and women of the christian faith died in wars to give them that freedom and built the commonwealth of nations through migration. Flip the uk to sharia law and I wonder if 5k conversions to islam of british women a year take place.
These women do not live in the same conditions other muslim females does under sharia law. Those women dont have choices in muchin life even if things are modernising.
I stick with my catholic faith. Like they say If it aint broke dont fix it, 2000 years still going strong. Atheism under guise of socialist communism is still a big threat to western society just not as overt as fanatical religious terrorism.
@@heartofpuregold Regarding to JudeoChristian
When Christian apologists frame Christ Jesus, whom they consider to be a God, as a religious adherent to the religion of Judaism in order to somehow “refute” Islām, they seem to forget one very important thing.
Judaism isn't Christianity.
Judaism considers Christianity to be a polytheistic faith, whereas Muslims are considered to be monotheists who will partake in the next world (Olam Ha-Ba).
About religious terrorism you will not see something like this 👇
The United States, Britain, France,Germany, Italy, Canada,Australia 👇👇👇
They issue a joint statement declaring their full support for all that Israel is currently doing in Gaza to exterminate a group under the pretext of self-defense."
If they ask you about Western civilization, say:
The Germans, the French and the English have caused two devastating world wars in just 20 years.
The first killed about 20 million people.
The second killed 60 million people.
Then the U.S. joined them in Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, Panama, Chile, Guatemala, Al-Demenican … The list is long.
After all this in the past and the present, some of the sackers come out for you and lecture about civilized & peaceful society
Thoses with ears should listen.
Matthew 7:12 is essentially the Golden Rule and teaches us empathy. There is nothing like this in the Qaran which is entirely about power dynamics between people.
Islam is Satan's terrible counterfeit of Christianity. Its spiritual - good versus evil. Allah is satan, clearly!
If someone asks you, have you read the Quran until you reach this false stored result that you are trying to promote?
You are now required to clarify the psychological & moral state that Jesus had when he ordered this. 👇
"Don't think I came to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to cast a peace but a sword.” (Matthew 10:34).
"As for my enemies, those who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them in front of me." (Luke 19:27)
If you need more there is but I guess this is enough.what happened to the teaching of empathy.
@@mohamedali2858Anyone can read the least bit of context of those verses and see how disingenuous you are. If you think those are serious objections you must be as illiterate as Muhammad who based his false religion on badly communicated folk Christian/Jewish stories and pagan Bedouin gods.
@@mohamedali2858 Ok, but why are all terrorist followers of the Quran?
Beautiful discussion!
Doesnt one even see the difference in discussions when one is a Muslim? thanks
0:03 - Because Jesus loves all of us He spared the adulterous woman by forcing those accusing her to look inwardly at themselves. However.. Jesus also, because He loved her and wanted to bring her to Him, told the adulterous woman to go and “SIN NO MORE”. Jesus didn’t punish her but He didn’t let her go without instructions on how to lead a good and moral life. Jesus wants all of His children back with Him. But we have to choose that ourselves.
Amen
@@freespeech24Deuteronomy chapter 13.
Amen!
Well put.
The very one who is qualified to condemn you and throw the stone, doesn’t.
Your women are ours
@@Unacademy-x5h You don't have women in your culture. You have dolls!
I needed to see this
A very wise english men.... Indeed Christianity is our legacy... only Jesus Christ is the way... Islam have no meaning to us.... there is no greater elevation than the incarnation of God..... God bless our Anglo-Saxon brothers in England and UK... with love from Germany ❤🏴🇩🇪🇬🇧🙏
no its not but Christianity which is also from the middle east destroyed England's and the rest of europes indigenous culture where even old churches are built on pagan temples .Time to ditch it return to Europes pagan culture or continue to pay with karma with islam taking over which is just an update of christianity .
@@frankiestein8482You have any more lies to share?
@@YouGotTheL once i read the bible i will have loads of them
I really hope that more people start to understand the importance of having a cristian religion (catholic or protestant) and start to live a life acting this teachings.
I really hope that more people start to understand that the Torah Bible and Quran are mere oversized comic books filled with fantastical mythical fairytales.
But that contains a few good ideas.
But so does comic books.
@@readynowforever3676 Tell that to your children. Oh! I remember! Atheist don't have kids!
@@matheuspetter367 “Kids” are born “atheist”, until people like you contaminate them with your agony of misery and intellectual depravity.
@@matheuspetter367why not? I am an atheist and have children. I teach them to respect themselves, other people and do good things. It is not mandatory to be a theist to be a good human.
@@RealDonaldTrump123 It's not mandatory, but the lack of a sacred meta reallity (religion) has a huge impact on humanity. If the eternal principles are not thought the chances of getting involved in some woke agenda (that really is the transformation of man in to our most primal instinctes ) is enourmous. Or do you think that the lack of children in the western world doesn't have a relation to the devaluation of the transcendent in face of the material world? P.s: How old are you?
Douglas Murray knows so much about so many different subjects.
He is ignorant about Islam. Just gives his inflated opinion with no basic understanding of it.
In the Quran, Allah may or may not save a single person, no matter how morally exemplary that person has lived (including Muhammad), depending on Allah's decretive will.
In the Bible, God willingly came to a hostile and treacherous world to save people who hated him and even murdered his own Son, to give life and light to people in darkness who deserved only punishment and condemnation and death.
So those Jews who you believe killed Jesus (pbuh) will enter Heaven?
@@edilbekabdyrakhmanovAllah knows best, does he not?
@@edilbekabdyrakhmanov....only those who give their lives to Christ go to heaven. Jews have not accepted Jesus as their Saviour.
The 'jesus' that muslims know is not the real Jesus.
@@madwhitehare3635 don’t say that to me, say it to @pattube . He is the one who said Jesus was sent to save the people who he believes murdered him. Which is nonsense
@@t-a1365 so you’re saying Jews weren’t responsible in his death?
Such an interesting discussion. I see the danger of crushing Christianity in this country (and Europe) as being the danger of the vacuum left behind which will be rapidly filled by the next strongest religion which is currently Islam.
- secularism, humanism or atheism is not nearly strong enough to withstand positive beliefs perhaps because it’s a denial or reaction, not a belief in anything above. Who would die for secularism? Not many. But Christianity allows such non-belief to co exist peacefully beside faith- and we learnt our lesson on that following the civil war in England a few centuries ago…(no more burning at the stake).
Yet still most mainstream media is allergic to Christianity and mentioning God or Christ Jesus and even Christmas has become the province of Santa and Elf’s and shops etc, not the nativity anymore, or the beauty of holiness or the thrill of coming out out of church with a lovely day ahead. These are not spoken of enough.
not christianity but secularism allows other beliefs to exist as we remember secularism came eventually out of the 30 years war between Catholics and protesents which proves islam is just an update of Christianity .Time to return to europes indigenous pagan culture.
Indeed, very true. Nevertheless, Christianity is also fundamentally rooted in Hope because of the Resurrection. A Christian would tell you that the battle has been won, Christ has conquered death. And so while it is persecuted in the mainstream, Christianity will always triumph, in one form or another.
@@rheacatera8947 Christianty's days are also coming to an end as people are returning to their pagan roots . Anyone who has read the bible and knows christian history knows its all just made up nonsense which also gave birth to islam which is an update which also is going to end the same way.
@@rheacatera8947 Christianity is fake
@@alpacacomentadora413
All are fake
Faith .
Jesus came back .
What is so clear to me is the fact he didn’t glorify himself ( although he was the most awe inspiring appearance..totallywonder ours )his message was immediately about God . He lifted his arms into the Heavens and praised God .
There was not a second where he appeared that he was wanting me to look at his marvellous miraculous image . That didn’t need to be established, he just was .
His message is Thanksgiving and Praise to God .
I love that it was all about his Father our Father . Humanity’s Father.
Usually people breastfeed children and marry adults. But in Islam, you can marry children and breastfeed aduIts
Wait till you realize Priest and Reverends are still putting their genitals into the mouths of little kids. And Pentecostal / Charismatic Churches are taking money from their congregation to fund their private jets.
😂😂😂😂 right comment at the right time and place.
Impact of Christianity to the West: the flourishing of PONR culture and industry .. wkwkwk
😂😂😂 Islam is a hybrid of tragedy and comedy - these people are smiling assassins
@@kebeleteeek4227 but the greatest pron star of all times is Muhammad (pron be upon him). Sad, camera was not athing in 6th century Arabia. The world missed an AVN star
Good show with good and clear message Douglas Murray! God bless!
Such genius Douglas! I love your metaphor of the cut flower. Is this really your original invention? Truly wonderful andThanks.
And yet he is humble...
He admits in other places it is not his invention - he got it from Ayaan Hirsi Ali who got it from somebody else..
I believe that phrasing goes back to Os Guinness.
"...we find the seeds that planted the flowers and we recede the land. We replant the flowers, the trees and the bushes of our culture and of our civilization..." 👍
I think you mean 'reseed' rather than 'recede'. A world of difference!
@@Prospro8 Predictive texting?
Douglas is a national treasure 🙏🏻
John 8:7 KJV
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
Jhn 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
Amen !
Jesus said none of that. It is a later Christian invention.
which proves that islam is just an update of christianity .
@@mephistophelean source
I started to listen to Douglas Murray and became interested in his stand against Hama and radical islam.
Thank you and may God bless and protect you. We need God and turning back to faith and repentance, giving value to the Scriptures.
Why do English people forget, that the first person who translated and printed the Bible in English was executed and burned?
His name was William Tyndale, ~1490-1536 he payed with his life for giving access to the Word of God.
(from Switzerland)
Besides of myself not being a religious person and the atrocities of the "CHURCH" during its rises, I deeply believe the Christianity is very positive and powerful to sustain way of life of western civilization. A friend of mine says that I am catholic person, even I claim I am not a religious person, because the way I thing about live, person, family and world. Well, so be it. I can not imagine a living in a different way of life.
Arnaldo, do you think that only believing is enought? I don't think that just believing will resolve the western natalities problems and many others (But I would enjoy to hear yout thoughts).
Roman catholicism is not Christianity, it's a pagan religion masking it's as Christian. The popes were and are still the biggest enemies to Christianity.
So why do you describe yourself as not a religious person?
Atrocities committed in the name of the Church are an oxymoron because Christianity is opposed to violence and the use of Force therefore they were not acting in accordance with Christian Doctrine
There are no violent verses in the New Testament
Islam on the other hand has a doctrine of warfare against unbelievers an estimated 280 million killed in the name of Allah in 14 centuries 40,000 plus terrorist attacks worldwide just since 9-11 and the Athiest regimes of the 20th Century has over 120 million dead bodies to its name
The Bible defines true religion in the book of James :
(To look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep yourself from being polluted by the world's corrupt ways.)
Jesus is the perfect king!, we need to listen to him!
It appears Hungary and Poland are on the right, grateful and productive track, eh? They have a future and work for it.
Jesus also wrote something in the sand at that event whereas Muhammad says that he himself was illiterate. 📚
Interesting!
Every scholar who studies ancient literacy skills in 1st century Roman controlled Palestine believes that Jesus and his followers were illiterate.
Also, the verse you refer to (woman caught in adultery) was made up and inserted by a later Christian, it wasn't originally in the gospel of John. So, in other words, we have dishonest Christians adding stuff to their holy texts and pretending that they go back to Jesus.
Muhammad married a 6 year old child… Jesus taught us to be as innocent as a child. Not abuse them. They are innocent.
Muhammad was illiterate by design, to protect from the accusation that the stories in the Koran about biblical events were stories he read in other texts. In other words, he made a specific decision not to learn how to read
Taqiyya. Moslem lying. He can’t have been illiterate and plundered the Lord’s Prayer, those parables and stories. I’d say Mo was a highly literate con-artist.
I think that Christianity has developed in a way that has allowed other cultures and traditions to be part of it, and that everyone has the freedom to interpret the scriptures.
Haha😂 look to the history just beyond 200 years.
Just one example look to Jewish life style in Europe vs in muslim countries last 1000 years I will not till you any information you just go and search
@@MrAhmedelhadidy The Zionist people tells us that it is necessary and realistic to establish a Jewish nation that focuses on politically unifying the world's Jews, protecting them, and preserving their distinctive way of life.
The same Zionist people tell us that it is terrorism and extremism to establish an Islamic nation (i.e., Caliphate) that focuses on politically unifying the world's Muslims, protecting them, and preserving their distinctive way of life.
@@MrAhmedelhadidy 300 years ago Christian scientists started inventing the basis for everything the worlds runs off today and Muslim countries today remain those with the worlds lowest IQ.
@@MrAhmedelhadidy
No idea what you’re trying to say or your point is?
@@JeDxDeVuhe is saying that anti-semitism has been a Christian thing since its origin. For almost 2000 years. Btw, didn’t Christians commit several genocides against Jews, American Indians, Australian aborigines and people of Congo?
Professor David Wells, in his book “Losing Our Virtue” writes that “the two most important cultural changes that have happened in the twentieth century regarding ourselves … are the shift from character to personality and from nature (meaning human nature) to self-consciousness (meaning being focused on the self). Worth a read. Would be interesting to hear a discussion with this man.
Having said that, it does amaze me, that Douglas Murray maintains his intellectual honesty regarding Christ and Christianity despite his lifestyle being at odds with the tenets of both and delivers what could be described as sermons to rival what one can hear in the best of churches these days.
Thanks for the reference. As to DM: Every one of us is a sinner (I Jn 1:10). It is not incumbent on any of us to point the finger of blame (Mt 7:1; Lk 6:36).
Thanks for that comment: I Will check that book out. I also would be interested to know how Douglas squares his belief with his sexuality….(obviously a hugely divisive issue) and whilst I agree with the other reply about us all being sinners, fallen short of the glory of God, and that we are not the ultimate judges of each other, scripture also clearly lays out in both old and new covenants the consequences of these specific sins. Scripture also tells those of us within the body of believers to help restore them.
Galatians 6:1
Brothers and sisters, even if a person is caught in any wrongdoing, you who are spiritual are to restore such a person in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, so that you are not tempted as well.”
Are you saying that persons of an openly homosexual disposition should not be allowed (in some way) to promulgate Christian teachings?@@Mercyme57
@Mercyme57. I have no doubt that an intellectually honest person like Douglas Murray is, indeed, wrestling with his own beliefs as they come up against what he clearly discerns happening all around him. I have little to no concerns about Mr. Murray’s sexuality and I leave that wrestling to him, knowing that the people he is associating himself with and the examples of their own lives and confessions of their faith as the reason for those lives will have the effects that they can only have on an honest conscience. “He who walks with wise men will become wise”.
@@CSUnger Thanks. I take your general point if a little snippy in tone.
Douglas tells it the way it is
Truth. Is always the way. my friend.and all of us on this planet
Have to live life.❤
"How little those who lightly throw it aside realise what they owe the gospel." -Mary Slessor (1848-1915), Scottish missionary to Nigeria
I am a Christian but I know through my study of the Abrahamic Christian judéo- Islamic belief that: ‘Human beings have great status in Islam. They are honoured by God (Qur'an 17:70) and can act as God's vicegerents on earth (Qur'an: 2:30). They are endowed with reason and freewill and therefore are responsible for what they do.’
You really think you know about islam . Well, my was preist was worried about life in nigeria. Considering 100 catherlic priest where killed in nigeria last year. Glad he is safe in united kingdom.
Totally agree. Fighting over who's got the best imaginary friend is just plain ridiculous! It is, however, obvious that Christianity is less of a threat to those who happen to not be Christian, and a Christian society is clearly more free and healthy.
Yes that's it.When I was a kid my Nan (who was very religious)used to say to me "your Grandad isn't a religious man,but he believes in a Christian way of life"and that's it in a nutshell really.A non threatening,fair and honest way of living whether you actually believe in God or not can only be a good thing.
THERE IS NO GREATER HATRED THAN THAT OF THE IGNORANT FOR THE INTELLIGENT. GALILEO SAID
Such wise words. I hope and pray that we can replant and reset. Thank you again.
Still wish Mr. Douglas Murray for Prime Minister.
I have empathy for those who have no faith because it is quite literally “a leap of faith“ to choose to believe in that which cannot be substantiated and this is a leap too far for many. Where would the value of a faith be if we knew of Gods existence beyond doubt? That would just be rule by fear.
I am not a church goer myself but my upbringing was within the Church of England, which I admired for its former tolerance and sense of service, though sadly it appears increasingly lost nowadays.
My simple faith tends to stem primarily from the parables that were so much a part of my childhood worship experience. I feel that I am acquainted with Jesus and I always ask myself what would he do in any given situation!
For clarity, I am certainly no Jesus prophet myself and merely a humble admirer of his. Many of today’s latter day social media prophets influencers, however, seem to wish to give the impression that they are of his calibre but I see precious little evidence of that.
I don't know enough to be a judge on the historicity of Jesus. But I am convinced that any transformational message requires a life: An incarnation of the idea, herein of renunciation service and self sacrifice. I am not sure Christianity as it pursued conversion organisation and dominance transmitted it too well.
@@ananthan8951 exactly. God is Devine but religion is of man and can be flawed.
But we take the leap of faith to believe in a god despite the rebellion of our “rational” mind. That’s it for me but I would never try to convert another other than perhaps by example if I ever managed to be an example!🤣
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Atheism (Communism/Marxism) killed over 100M people in the 20th century making it the most bloodiest Century in world's history.
I never expected someone like Douglas Murray to say something nice about Sufism. Thanks for the shoutout, Mr. Murray!
No matter what Douglas Murray says, I listen and listen very carefully. I agree with everything he says, unfortunately, I don't have the vocabulary or composure to say it so eloquently. I'm 56 years old, and he's like a mentor to me. I want to be a better speaker, more patient, and considered with my words after I hear what he has to say.
Look man, I don't know you and I have nothing to gain or lose from who you listen to in your spare time but for your own sake, you need to try and find a better person to to look up to. This guy is a completelty dishonest charlatan who mixes lies within almost everything he says and he's a huge hypocrite.
Amen to the truth, we are not destroyers, but builders ❤
God does not want man to be “forced” to follow him, he wants us to come out of our own free will. He “calls” us and it is up to us if we go.
Im a Christian and i love listening to this guy, he is very smart in my opinion.
"He who is without sin, cast the first stone" wasn't an invitation to commit violence Douglas, it was a recommendation to search your heart because as we all know. THOSE WHO LIVE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULDNT THROW STONES!
That is what he said.
How eloquently put Mr. Douglas Murray.
Your new Premierminister hopefully 🇬🇧🙏❤️🇩🇪
To say there is no God is like saying there is no life. God is love and so are we. We are all a divine expression of God.
Douglas mentions the incident of the woman taken in adultery from the Book of John; if you remember Jesus was sitting on the ground teaching the people when the elders brought the woman to him for judgement. Understand the woman was in fact guilty, and Jesus saying at the end to her, "Go and sin no more," confirms that, but was is really interesting is that while all of this was going on he was writing something in the dirt in front of him with his finger. The scripture doesn't tell us what he was writing, but one theory scholars propose is that he was writing the sins of all those who had brought the guilt woman there to be judged by Jesus. So, when Jesus says, "All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!” they all knew that they were condemned themselves, so they all melted away one by one. Puts a real spin on the story doesn't it? And it's not that being caught in adultery is ok in Christianity. That bit of scripture is very deep and has a broad and expansive interpretation, is full of god's mercy who has full knowledge of our sinfulness.
Douglas love your quotation of the Bible, shows our Christian values! Love you❤
Beautifully told
Wonderful, thank you both.
Can we hope that Douglas Murray will realise what he just said, become an evangelist, and start sowing those seeds?
Douglas sows his seed in infertile soil
Yes, I'm watching him..pray for him.
Amen! I love this honest, decent man and pray daily for this to happen. God bless him with utter salvation!❤
I think he already is an evangelist.
My concern with Islam is it just feels sketchy when a religion dictates how you dress, how you eat, how you worship etc. i know there should be guidelines or a moral code on how you act but the rest feels controlling. Maybe the other believers of that faith are okay with that.
I was raised Catholic, and a lot I have learned is that God loves us by giving us free will to follow in His goodness, and we may sin or stray but if we repent we are saved with our faith.
I very much enjoy these conversations, rational 🙏
I like your comments Mr. Douglas
I’m Christian and Pray for Peace ✝️
Douglas needs to stand politically. He is a necessary voice for the future
The God whom the Christians worship came to earth in the person of Jesus to die for us. The god whom the Muslims worship expects them to die for him.
Thanks for your clarity and breadth of persective.
People can be openly an atheist in Christian world, is the Islamic world too, but for a short while before being expelled or worse.
I totally agree with what the fellow said about churchills quote. People do need something to live by and it should be as decent as it can be made. Makes me also think of the phrase ‘if you don’t set your own agenda, someone else will do it for you’.
Thanks
My gosh you are funneling William F Buckley in your mannerisms and speaking. I'm hooked. Great discussion.
I was at UCSB as an exchange student in 2011. At the time, they had more Nobel prize winners resident on campus than the entire Moslem world has ever had total.
So much about the enlightenment.
Yes yadda blah 1000 years ago. I'm not talking about 1000 years ago. I'm talking about the rest of the world having moved on from 1000 years ago.
The Islamic golden age is politically correct fable. Anyone who made advances back then were either heretics, Jews or Christians, living in the dying culture taken over by Islam. There is no requirement to pursue knowledge in Islam, regardless of what they tell you.
@@strongbow3896The internet is free buddy. Maybe try to research key figures behind the Islamic Golden age before spouting such uneducated garbage.
@@JawnBoyd-rt9gd It's you that needs to do the research.. This Golden Age rubbish is there to give a positive spin on Islam. There isn't one.
@@strongbow3896wdym? Algebra, Medicine, astrology, they contributed to a lot. You just don’t want to admit it because it’s not convenient for you.
@@popoffpeppar Algebra was invented by the Ancient Babylonians and developed by the Greeks. They get credit because we use their term.
Love what Douglas Murray say here, he has a very good point.
But we as individuals are 'flowers that wither and die' as you say it. All individuals wither and die.. its is the culture of that country that should develop / improve, grow stronger.. when that ciuntry /culture allows another culture to inviad its soil, then it suffers, withers and dies..
England has/did have a strong national pride/culture, ... but it is being attacked by forgien cultures...
You can only mix a culture to a degree before that culture becomes overtaken, watered down to such an extent that it is no longer recognisable.. i think we have already past that point.. goodbye England, polititions have sold our nation, our culture, our pride and joy, for what we cheap labour, for wokness.
As we all talk, islam pushes on by FORCE.
Struggle between good and evil. We all have the same hardware but some have their software corrupted
We need more people like Douglas .thank you
We’re so fortunate to have been brought up within the Judeo Christian religion- all men are created equal.So more humane!
But if you don't believe in christ you don't get into heaven
There is no such thing as Judeo-Christian. That term didn’t exist until recently and is a result of subversion.
There is no such thing as Judeo Christian.
There are jews and there are Christians. Two distinct religions.
DM….such a bright guy and a pleasure to listen as he speaks
This should be watched by people saying religion does not bring any good.I could think of one religion that does not do anything good and it's certainly not Christians.
God is of the Devine whereas religion is of man and therefore flawed.
Quite often its actions fall far short of its aspirations as a result of mans fallibility. However, perhaps we must forgive its transgressions if it is apparent that the intention was good and that the failure is regretted. This is perhaps a little too New Testament for some in society that prefer the handing down of guilt from generation to generation.
Don't know if Douglas is a Christian. Unimportant. As an atheist, he's in my corner as a humanitarian. I may be an atheist but I have Christian principles in my veins. Love that man. ❤️
No such thing as an atheist. In fact atheism is a religion itself. When danger strikes we all revert back to our natural roles and being without a higher purpose has left people feeling very empty in society that's y u see hight rates of drugs promiscuity alcohol breakdown of the nuclear family in the western world
I totally disagree. The reason we're in the position now is because of atheists/agnostics in the Enlightenment Era who said "enough with this Christianity-for-all nonsense" and paved the way for secular societies. It hasn't happened in the Muslim world yet.
Do you prefer Neitzche, Sarte, and Camus? Does rejection of Christian values really make the world a better place?
The French Enlightenment was anti-religion but not the English. All problems go back to the French Revolution.
@@bradbroadhead6518What exactly are Christian values? Read the Bible and tell me it's a moral book with a straight face. It really amazes me how many Christians are truly ignorant of what's inside their holy book.
@@bradbroadhead6518 there's also Spinoza and Hume. I don't believe there's anything such as "Christian" values. Christians do not have a ownership of values. There is simply a humanist way to do things which means to lead with kindness whenever possible and know that peoples' moral/belief compass is relative to their society.
@@tochiRTA I agree that certain values can be said to be held in common among human beings. The Apostle Paul says as much in Romans 2. C. S. Lewis compiled several sayings showing as much from different sources in The Abolition of Man. However, your assertion that “Christian values” do not exist is demonstrably false. Let me provide a couple early examples of the ways Christian values were distinguished from Greco-Roman values. Marital fidelity is taught throughout the Bible (cf. Matthew 5:28; 19, Hebrews 13:4), yet, by contrast, Apollodorus writes, “We have courtesans for pleasure, concubines for the daily tending of the body, and wives in order to beget legitimate children...” (Appollodorus ‘Against Neaira’). In Diognetus (commonly found in collections of the Apostolic Fathers), the author among other things, argues that Christians, while following local customs, are nonetheless marked off as different from their host cultures. One example he provides is, “they do not expose their offspring” (5:6). We know from multiple sources, including Longus, Daphnis and Chloe, that the Greeks and Romans exposed theirs. For a full historical treatment of the question of Christian values and their impact on Western civilization, I recommend Tom Holland’s (the historian, not the actor) book, Dominion. Cheers!
We love you Murray❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
I like Dougy. He's a great comedian. His delivery of pompous superiority is captivating. The Shakespearean cadence accentuates the ejaculation of the punch lines as he masturbates his enormous ego. His euphoria in recognizing his own IQ, is a privilege to witness. Perhaps he is the exempla of swans singing before they die and that it be no bad thing that some men die before they sing?
Pleased someone sees him for who he really is.
As far as know (I think I’m not updated) Douglas was Christian and became atheist. But now he talks about Christianity in approving way
He’s theory is that Christianity is the more civilised religion in comparison to Islam which is ridiculous and highly hypocritical given the amount of deaths conducted in the name of Christianity in comparison to any religion in the world.
FYI: most historians and biblical scholars agree that story of Jesus and woman caught for adultery was added some time in 4th century. It makes it a Christian tradition but not something that Jesus did (if he existed as described in Gospels).
Not important. Islam was created much later out of Jewish and Christian oddments, falsely proclaiming itself as part of the same tradition. Douglas was just comparing what Islam did with one aspect of it.
@@strongbow3896 Sure, it's not the key factor in his argument. But it's important as matter of the fact check; you cannot claim that "Jesus said that" because most likely it's fictional story created few hundred years after his death.
It's just odd when one tries to refute made up stories of Islam with made up stories of Christianity. It's childish reasoning of 6 yo: "My daddy is stronger than your daddy!"
@@tjblues01 The scholars you allude to exist within the Christian framework; discussion of the meanings and origin of the Bible is normative. Islam on the other hand has no self-critical sensibilities. In fact to do so is a CRIME.
It can be traced back to early in the second century. Augustine commented that it had been removed from early manuscripts of the Gospels "to avoid scandal".
@@postscript67 Even if,.... there is still no historical evidence that Jesus did or said that. 2nd century means around 100 - 150 years after Jesus death.
I wouldn't choose Augustin as a reliable source, especially knowing how misogynistic he was. And talking about scandals: the whole Christianity was "a scandal" by pretty much all moral standards of the time. One more wouldn't make any difference.
But I agree with Douglas; Christian tradition even in times of Muhammad was morally at least 300 years ahead of Islam. The story of Jesus and woman caught for adultery made up in 4th century Muhammad's made up stories 7th century.
Very impressive conversation
Jesus Always Saw/Sees Clearly Through Hypocrisy! - That Is Why He Spoke To The Men Who Accused This Woman Caught In Adultery - Jesus Protected Her And Made Sure That The Men Knew That They Also Had Sinned In The Same Way.
Jewish Law Said Both The Man And The Woman Were To Come Forward Who Were Caught In Adultery, Not Just The Woman.
Jesus Christ - Christianity. ✝️
Well said Douglas !
Douglas Murray..a pleasure to listen to
Sympatic..handsome and wise
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We all have sinned (Romans 3:23 KJV). Sinners will end up in the lake of fire (Revelation 21:8 KJV). The Lord Jesus Christ died for our sins, got buried and rose again the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV). You have to put your faith in the blood of Christ for the remission of sins (Romans 3:25 KJV). We are saved by grace through faith, not works (Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV). Water baptism DOESN'T save us (1 Corinthians 1:17 KJV). If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you will be saved (Romans 10:9 KJV).
Cool story bro.
If we're into quotes, "what of those who are so made that they cannot believe?"
@@helpmaboabbBelieving is a choice. Everyone can believe.
@@ROMANS3-25KJV You can choose to believe in Santa, too, or the Tooth Fairy. Religion is man-made, including Christianity.
@@janegardener1662 oh so sad 😞.
Ohhhh thankyou Lord Jesus, surely You are working yesterday, now and forever❤
Very funny to see Murray, who is an atheist, talk on behalf of Christianity and people heed his words like he is a priest
The inner voice of our conscience steering us our entire lives through what is right and wrong coupled by our unique individual DNA which proves we can never escape spiritual accountability tells us that we are Gods children . The proof and way is right before our eyes.
For nearly 2000 years, Christianity did not allow criticism of Church teachings. This directly inhibited the progress of ethics, politics and science. The notion of free speech originated in Athens. In fact, the ascendance of Christianity coincided with the decline and fall of Rome, followed by a 1000 year stretch that was known as ‘the Dark Ages' for a reason. Slavery persisted happily for centuries after Christianity was dominant in Europe. Surprising to hear Murray praising Christianity given what it teaches on homosexuals. But at least Christianity has a theological mechanism that enables it to evolve unlike Islam, which remains unreformed - and unreformable.
absolutely thats why its laughable that claims of how Christianity was so progressive. Islam is just an update of christianity which is why it was easy for it to plant itself in europe to now end up trying to take over.
Protestant propaganda.
There is little value in ensuring our country’s survival if our traditions do not survive with it.
-President John F. Kennedy
By the way …..the stoning is a Jewish tradition …(time of Christ)(?) 1:19 and the Muslims are all linked via ..Abrahamic belief.
Profound stuff!
I'm a big fan of Douglas but I think it's important to remember that the history of Christianity wasn't all "beer and skittles". Over the last couple of centuries, it's been pulled into line by those who don't submit to a fictitious higher authority and don't accept that certain individuals have been ordained to be the arbiters of our morals.
Christians have been persecuted at the bwginning for almost 300years people thent ro forget that
Totally agree Christianity does not have a perfect history to say the list
Amen and thank you for speaking this.
Here we go again we the comparisons between Islam and Christianity. Brilliant at sugarcoating your religion sir. You just revealed your true intentions are driven by religious affiliations and not by logic or reasoning. But to enlighten you, the Bible has way more bizarre, violent and disturbing content than the Quran. A simple google search will confirm that. Simply put, no Christian has the right to insult Islam. I’ll tolerate an atheist, but y’all just say anything without reading your own book
I have always used the very same metaphor to talk to people who defend Islam. Not to condemn Muslims, but to get a starting point to review Islam in a new modern perspective. Something that had happened to Christianity four hundred years ago. Only using different examples from bibles. Islam needs a Luther and a Lutheran movement big time. I mean if any Muslim thinker dares to take the responsibility.
Islam already had its reformist movement within 100 years, and the corpus of literature encompassing Islamic traditions and civilizational values is far broader and open to interpretation ...plus it has superiority both in quantity and quality, there are more sects in Islam than there are Churches in West. Islamic works on metaphysics, Islamic socialism, and rationalism, anthropomorphism, and economy pre-date any work of simpler quality & caliber in the Western world. The only issue has been that the Islamic world never had a renaissance as there never was a need for it .....which it requires now. Reformism and Fundamentalism cannot dictate the destinies of Muslims for long and the Muslims will likely emerge again. Last 200-300 years have been the "Muslim Dark ages" with colonialism and a steep decline in intellectual endeavors and significant human achievements ...but we will surely usher in a new golden age.
These guys are types of people that would spit on beggers on the street. Taking compassion advice from silver spooners