Denon Receiver HDMI Cable Test - Testing High Speed and older HDMI cables
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- This video uses the Denon AVR-X4700H receiver to test two High Speed HDMI Cable rated for 4K Video at 30 Hz, 2160p, 48 bit/px color depth and supports bandwidth up to 18Gbps.
The cables tested are:
Certified Monoprice cable
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Amazon Basics High Speed Cable.
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Also tested is an older HDMI cable I had lying around. I have no idea when I got it or what HDMI version it supports. I assume it's at least 1.4.
The procedure should work for any of the 2020 Denon receivers which support HDMI 2.1.
It uses information from this older Denon service manual:
Denon Receiver HDMI cable testing manual
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But for 2020 receivers you need do two things differently:
1) Hook up the HDMI cable between HDMI7 (8k) and the Monitor1 (eARC) HDMI ports on the back of the receiver.
2) Press the
[Back]
and
[Up Cursor]
buttons on the front panel to enter HDMI Diagnostics Mode.
Denon AVR-X4700H 7.1.2 Receiver
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If you speak any Denon Dealer, they all say, you should always power down when making any HDMI connections.
That's always a safe way to do it.
If I do any more testing, I'll do it that way.
how to go to this menu in marantz 2020 model with a small screen ?
I don't have access to that receiver, but someone asked that question over on this forum:
www.avsforum.com/threads/official-2020-marantz-avr-owners-thread-faq-post-1-5.3161190/page-9#post-60180814
but I didn't see any response yet.
You could try asking again over there.
@@BetaCygniBlog Dimmer and Sound mode press together for 3-5 seconds
@@aeon9675 Thanks!
Very interesting test Beta.
However what intrigues me is would my new brand Marantz SR7015 be able to make a diagnosis such as your Danon or is it a Danon own option only ?!
Thanks anyway !!
Looks like Marantz has the same type of testing:
www.accessories4less.com/mas_assets/theme/accessories4less/images/manuals/Marantz/marantzhdmi.pdf
If the button combination in the manual doesn't work, then I'd ask over on this forum. Someone may have already posted the answer:
www.avsforum.com/threads/official-2019-marantz-nr-series-sr-series-avr-owners-thread-faq-posts-1-6.3074034/
I don't see a thread for the 2020 models, but I'm sure one will start up once that receiver is released.
Beta Cygni Right on !
I'm quite sure that Denon's cable test is not reliable. I also have the 4700H and tested various HDMI cables, including an HDMI 2.1 48 Gbps and a cheap HDMI 2.0 cable as well as the PS5 HDMI cable. Likewise, I also got different results, including:
- All three cables failing the test.
- Both HDMI 2.1 cable passing the 4K (9 Gbps) but failing 4K (18 Gbps) test.
- The cheap HDMI 2.0 cable passing the 8K (40 Gbps) test.
In the end, I got every possible result.
I agree that the test has some problems. In this *RE* test (ua-cam.com/video/O3c_kNig7iI/v-deo.html), I powered down the receiver and unplugged it between each test and I got more consistent results.
Could you test, belkin 8k cables?
Belkin is advertising an Ultra High Speed HDMI cable:
www.belkin.com/us/p/P-AV10176/
but it's not certified, so even if I tested one, there's no guarantee that any other Belkin cable would perform the same.
The one reviewer on that site wasn't impressed:
"Over priced cheap Cable"
Looking at the reviews over on Amazon, it claims it's a 48gps cable compatible with 4K, 120hz signals, but this cable is apparently over 2 years old and the HDMI 2.1 spec wasn't finalized back then.
smile.amazon.com/Belkin-AV10175bt2M-BLK-Vision-Optimal-Viewing/dp/B075N83B9X/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2SKGDTXV9AJWH&dchild=1&keywords=belkin%2B8k%2Bhdmi%2Bcable%2B48gbps%2B2.1&qid=1606583433&sprefix=belkin%2B8k%2Bcable%2Caps%2C248&sr=8-3&th=1
If I had to buy a cable today, I'd buy the Zeskit 8K, but if possible, I'd wait until certified cables come on the market.
HDTVtest, in a recent video said that they had gotten a certified Zeskit 8K cable, but I haven't seen it advertised on the Zeskit website yet or available from any major retailer.
Have you updated the Denon firmware/software? This just shows the vageries of technology advancing faster than electronics, so the consumer continues to become a beta user trying to fix the unfixable with "bugs" out the ying/yang. Very telling test. Thank you.
I just updated my firmware to 2960-9214-4132-2065 (DTS Version 3.90.50.82).
I'll give the test another try soon.
Any updates in 2022? Thanks for the video!
I haven't bought any cables lately, so I haven't tested any new ones.
If you buy a certified cable like I show in this later video:
ua-cam.com/video/zWuoCEpl79Y/v-deo.html
You should be fine.
That was a fun, interesting test, I’m in the UK and thinking of upgrading to the 2700H from the 2600H there is one less HDMI port on the new one, I am as addictive as you with cables and power cycling off things before I power new cables up, I get some picture issues with my new and older 4K players (I have 3 lol, no reason to sell them and I always thinks its cool to have a movie in each ready to go lol) anyways, side question, does the 8K HDMI input allow for any 4K player or games console to plug into it, as in act as any other HDMI port or is it exclusively for 8K content ? I’m thinking not but as you have a newer receiver I wonder if you can let me know..along with the 8K out, can that go to my LG OLED or does that have to be the 4K Output 1 ?
Thanks so much brotha.
There's a known problem with at least the new Xbox Series X going through the 8k input of the receiver and onto a 4k TV. Apparently all the major receivers have this problem:
ua-cam.com/video/as35Cd2ZWyQ/v-deo.html
However, I'm running my XSX directly into my C9 and passing through the sound to my receiver using eARC. So I shouldn't have this problem.
I'm running both my video sources (XSX & Chromecast Ultra HD) into the TV and using eARC for all sound.
I have a new series mostly done about hooking up the XSX to my new Home Theater system. Here's a link to episode 10a:
ua-cam.com/video/vJSYa_HAlGk/v-deo.html
Nice video, can u test old 2.0 monster cable or old audioquest 2.0, i used old 2.0 audioquest carbon it works well on Ps5, thanks more power to ur channel.
Thanks for the suggestions. Unfortunately I don't have those cables so I can't test them.
Good quality *certified* HDMI 2.1 cables like the one I test here:
ua-cam.com/video/zWuoCEpl79Y/v-deo.html
are available for a very low price, so I would go with a new cable.
Can you test the monster uhd platinum. They say they are 8k ready
I don't have one of those, but here's a review on Amazon that says it didn't meet the spec:
www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R1HMPLAVX8QYK4/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B07N7NL1NR
The Zeskit 8k cable I tested in this video:
ua-cam.com/video/O84G_RGwKco/v-deo.html
worked fine for me and others and it's cheaper than the Monster Cable.
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07S1CGQ9Z/
I'm still hoping that *Certified* 8k cables come out soon.
@@BetaCygniBlog I’ll be testing mines for at least the 18GB spec Monday. I know a few people had issues with the ends not being so good and they were easy to bend so that’s the only thing they said that I know. I would want to think it should work for 4k60 so imma fault that to it being a bad cable
@@GamerGee Good luck.
@@BetaCygniBlog I need it. I have a in wall. Able installation and that’s the cords we chose because 200 bucks for a cable just for a same room install is crazy
@@GamerGee Let us know how it goes.
I have had some Monoprice 8k cables for my PS4 Pro and Xbox one X and they gave me issues a few weeks in on 4k 60hz, saw corruption in the image.
That's a shame.
I have 3 Amazon Basics 4K cable and they all fail as well.
That's too bad. Now that they're available, I'm only buying certified cables.
Here's a video I did about a reasonably priced one:
ua-cam.com/video/zWuoCEpl79Y/v-deo.html
@@BetaCygniBlog I bought the Zeskit cable and that one fails too. Do you think some issue with the AVR. I have a Denon X3700H.
@@suryachataut More likely it's a problem with the test. I retested the cables and this time between each test I powered down the receiver and unplugged it from the wall (because it isn't all the way off when turn off the power button). Then I plugged in the cable and plugged the receiver back in. I got more consistent results doing that:
ua-cam.com/video/O3c_kNig7iI/v-deo.html
Try that and let us know if it works better.
@@BetaCygniBlog I did power down completed (removed the power cable) and made the connection between HDMI 7 and Monitor 1 (that is what my AVR OSD says). I tried multiple times and it failed each time. I have 3 new cables and they all failed :(
@@suryachataut I would make sure your firmware is up to date on your receiver. I do that in this video:
ua-cam.com/video/XOHkPHNiI3o/v-deo.html
Then if the test still fails, I would try a real-world test. First try showing some DolbyVision/Dolby Atmos content on your TV. If that works, then you're cable is fine and there's something wrong with the test.
I have the Monoprice Premium cables, and using many of them for my LG CX, going E-ARC to an LG SN11RG soundbar, both devices support full HDMI 2.1 and E-ARC.
Plugging in a PS5 and Series X works wonderfully at 4K 120Hz just fine even with Dolby Atmos and HDR Chroma 4:4:4. I use 1 cable from the Soundbar to the TV and replaced the cables given with the consoles with the Premium cables as well, super odd that it failed even the 18Gbps test on the reciever.
I redid these tests after upgrading the firmware of the receiver.
ua-cam.com/video/O3c_kNig7iI/v-deo.html
I was also very careful to un-plug the power to the receiver between plugging and un-plugging the HDMI cables. I got much more consistent results. The Monoprice cable I tested worked up to spec in the re-test.
@@BetaCygniBlog awesome! Do you know if you can get HDMI 2.1 results if you plug into a HDMI 2.1 TV and just use E-ARC to send the sound to the receiver? I'm looking to upgrade to a receiver as opposed to a soundbar but atm even top of the line receivers only have 1 HDMI 2.1 port. I'm looking to be able to do 2.1 with both consoles and a PC.
Thanks!
@@Hendrycks Yes, I'm doing just that. I have a whole series on how I upgraded my 2012 era Home Theater system to the latest 4k OLED TV and Dolby Atmos Surround Sound. Here's a link to part 1:
ua-cam.com/video/c5jgOY4J6eE/v-deo.html
I realized with the new internet connected HDMI 2.1 TVs (at least from LG), the "hub" of the system is now the TV rather than the receiver.
My LG C9 has four HDMI 2.1 inputs and I'm using one of them to drive my Denon X4700h receiver using eARC. The results are spectacular. Especially the Dolby Atmos surround sound.
@@BetaCygniBlog Awesome I just watched the first 3 parts! I'll probably upgrade to the same receiver, I'm just lost on how to go about picking speakers. The Klipsch R series seem to be around my price point but then audiophiles were saying only the RP series are worth it, which are about 2x as much.
So it seemed like 4K 120Hz, HDR 4:4:4 and everything was working wonderfully for you now? Do you ever get the audio popping out for a second with using E-ARC?
@@Hendrycks Everything is working great for my setup. I've had absolutely no problems with eARC. In one of the videos, I run a UA-cam video at increased speed and the lip-syncing works fine.
You can see a list of the speakers I picked in the description, plus I show them in the video.
I have some size constraints so I didn't have room for Klipsch (too wide). I'm very happy with the ones I got.
I found some Polk left & right Front speakers that would fit and decided to go with Polk for all the rest. I splurged on the center speaker since I had enough room for a slightly bigger speaker on the shelf above the TV.
The Polk speakers I'm using for surround and Atmos height speakers (mounted on the wall) are great.
If you can make all the way through the series, I hook up an Xbox Series X and show movies & video games. The video games play at 4K 120fps with the XSX going into the TV and the sound coming out via eARC into the receiver.
I'm realizing that the Xbox Series X's blu-ray player for movies is not going to be good enough for my purposes which is disappointing.
I have a number of 4K discs with DolbyVision and DolbyAtmos and the Xbox Series X won't put out DolbyVision. It may in the future, but I realized that I also play a lot of other regular Blu-ray movies and the video processing for movies in the XSX is not as good as a standalone player.
So I'm getting a Panasonic 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray Player (DP-UB820) that I'll be hooking up soon. I'll add that onto the end of the series.
The Denon AVR-X2700H is suffering from eArc issues using eArc and a games console via eArc and sound mode selection. Not using bitstream, but LPCM.
It only happens when the source is eARC (ie internal apps from the TV when eARC is enabled or using a games console via eArc). The Denon app shows Multi-channel PCM input, however, the output options are not the same when receiving multi-channel PCM from an input directly connected to the receiver.
When using eArc on my TV connected to the Denon, the denon receives multichannel PCM input from the TV, but when I go to select a sound mode on the receiver, I only have a choice of multichannel stereo, stereo or DSur.
Why will it not let me select a sound mode like Multichannel PCM? It should let me output the same format as what the receiver is receiving? Like Input-Multichannel PCM Output-Multichannel PCM.
There is a clearly a bug with this receiver, that will not let me output Multichannel PCM as a sound mode over eArc.
Input (eARC multi channel PCM):
Output (choices are Stereo, DSur, Multi Ch Stereo):
Can test this to see if they have been able to get Multichannel PCM sound mode output? Rather than Stereo, DSur, Multichannel stereo?
I am sure this is a bug with the latest receivers? And needs fixing via firmware update.
I don't have a game console yet (I'm waiting for the Xbox Series X to come out), but I believe I found the same problem with my Blu-ray player. My solution was to configure the Blu-ray player to output unprocessed bitstream instead of PCM. Here's a link to that video in my Home Theater Upgrade Series
ua-cam.com/video/JU83aMFM99o/v-deo.html
I'm running my Blu-ray player through my LG C9 TV using pass-thru to my Denon 4700h via eARC.
Here's an interesting discussion about PCM vs. bitstream:
planethifi.com/pcm-vs-bitstream/
I'm not sure why bitstream isn't okay unless you have bandwidth problems which shouldn't be an issue with HDMI 2.1.
Letting one of the latest and greatest Denon receivers (rather than the player or console) process the sound seems like a good idea to me.
This seems like an active discussion over on AVS Forum:
www.avsforum.com/threads/official-2020-denon-avr-owners-thread-faq-posts-1-8.3151088/post-60194416
Here's the original post:
www.avsforum.com/threads/official-2020-denon-avr-owners-thread-faq-posts-1-8.3151088/post-60178023
Hopefully Denon will fix this.
Hi, how did you access the diagnostics on the 2700?
@@Ruicarrico I found it over on this discussion thread:
www.avsforum.com/threads/official-2020-denon-avr-owners-thread-faq-posts-1-8.3151088/post-60203455
"Press and hold the far left button (TUNER PRESET CH - ) and ZONE2 SOURCE together."
Let us know if that works for you.
@@BetaCygniBlog Thanks
@@BetaCygniBlogWhat HDMI input/output combination?
You forgot the key part, how do we go to the hdmi cable test menu lol
Sorry about that. It's in the description of the video.
I also cover it in this video:
ua-cam.com/video/bXfsTwKgUPo/v-deo.html
Different Denon receivers have different key combinations to go into "Diagnostic Mode".
Could you test, fusion 8k cables?
I don't have any Fusion cables, so I can't test one, but those bring up an interesting discussion.
On Amazon, a 6 foot Fusion 8k cable costs $44.99
smile.amazon.com/Fusion8K-HDMI-Cable-Supports-60Hz/dp/B07YF7KYJR/
The Zeskit 8k cable I tested here:
ua-cam.com/video/O84G_RGwKco/v-deo.html
costs $19.99
smile.amazon.com/48Gbps-Compatible-Netflix-Playstation-Samsung/dp/B07S1CGQ9Z/
So which is better?
Neither are certified:
www.hdmi.org/spec21Sub/UltraHighSpeedCable
In fact, as far as I know, there aren't any certified HDMI 2.1 cables yet.
Since there weren't any certified HDMI 2.1 cables available when I put together my system, I did some research and decided that Zeskit was a good choice. Their cables were used to demonstrate HDMI 2.1 (up to 8K) at the most recent CES (Consumer Electronics Show) and I thought the price was reasonable ($20).
On Amazon, the Zeskit cable has 3390 reviews today, with 86% 5-star and 2% 1-star
The Fusion 8k cable has 102 reviews with 88% 5-star and nothing less than a 3-star.
I always find it instructive on Amazon to read the 1 & 2 star ratings to see what people are complaining about.
My cable works fine, but since the Zeskit cables aren't certified, I could have gotten lucky.
But based on the fact that it has so many more reviews on Amazon and the vast majority are favorable, I thought it was a good bet.
Most Home Theater websites will point out that with a digital signal like HDMI, you don't need a very high cost cable for it to work. Either the 1's and 0's are transmitted correctly or not.
I think that's true up to a point, but with the HDMI 2.1 specification, the margin for error has been reduced. You want a cable to work and keep working for years, so buying the cheapest cable may not be the best choice right now.
Once certified cables are available, I wouldn't hesitate to buy a cheaper certified cable from a company like Monoprice since they have a good reputation for making quality products at a reasonable price.but I wouldn't buy the cheapest cable from a company I'm not familiar with.
@@BetaCygniBlog have an oppo 205 and getting a samsung q90t. Running onkyo rz3100. Seeing if i wasted money.
@@MrHumes-nv1zr That Samsung looks spectacular in the reviews I've seen. If you are using your HDMI cable for ARC (as far as I can tell your RZ3100 doesn't support eARC), then it should work fine. The Oppo 205 is a great player, but it doesn't support HDMI 2.1.
Unless you plan on buying some device that can support HDMI 2.1 (like an XBox Series X or PlayStation 5, or a 2020 receiver like the Denon 4700h), then I'd say you over paid.
But compared to the cost of the rest of the components you have, the difference in the cost of the cable is minimal.
If you bought your cable to future proof your system then it's going to be fine unless you got a bad one. Again, the difference in cost is not that much.
I'm hoping that there are certified Ultra High Speed (8K) cables by November when the XBox Series X comes out since I'm getting one of those.
If certified cables aren't available, I'll probably buy another Zeskit 8K since I had good luck with the first one. If I get a bad one, I can always return it.
NOTE: Even certified cables can be bad. As far as I know they don't have to test every cable to be certified. They just have to have good quality control and test a significant sample of their cables.
Hey what banana plugs brand are you using in the Denon? I have some but they dont fit.
I'm using these Monoprice ones:
Monoprice109436 Gold Plated Speaker Banana Plugs:
smile.amazon.com/Monoprice-109436-Plated-Speaker-Banana/dp/B0097JLQVC/
I'm using these for my speakers:
Monoprice 109438 Gold Plated Speaker Pin Plugs
smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0097JLRZM/
I cover this and all the rest of my equipment in my series on upgrading an 8-year old Home Theater System to the latest 4k OLED TV and Dolby Atmos Surround Sound:
ua-cam.com/video/c5jgOY4J6eE/v-deo.html
@@BetaCygniBlog These banana plugs you specified do not fit. I'm out $10 :(
@@TheOldRepublic7 I'm sorry about that, it was a cut-and-paste error. I accidently used the Pin Plugs link.
If you bought them from Amazon, you should be able to return them.
Here's the banana plug link:
smile.amazon.com/Monoprice-109436-Plated-Speaker-Banana/dp/B0097JLQVC/
I edited the comment above to show the proper link.
@@BetaCygniBlog No worries, I had to wait for my receiver to come in (which was delayed) and I missed the window. Just wanted to warn others in case they bought the original linked ones. Thanks for your response!
@@TheOldRepublic7 You're welcome. Maybe you can use those pins for your speakers like I did. That will protect the end of the wires and make a more solid connection.
Anyone know how to access this test on x4300h?
I did a lot of searching and only came up with this post which said it wasn't supported:
www.avsforum.com/threads/the-official-2016-denon-s-series-x-series-avr-owners-thread-faq.2444306/page-849#post-58206490
You could try this though:
Hold down ‘Zone 2 Source’ and ‘Preset CH - (minus)‘ buttons on the front of the AVR for a couple of seconds, until ‘Diagnostics’ appears on screen.
Let us know if it works.
How to Enter this diagnostic tool on Avr-2700h?
I found the answer over on this forum:
www.avforums.com/threads/denon-avr-x2700-owners-thread.2310815/post-28681670
Hold down ‘Zone 2 Source’ and ‘Preset CH - (minus)‘ buttons on the front of the AVR for a couple of seconds, until ‘Diagnostics’ appears on screen.
Let us know if that works.
Good Luck.
@@BetaCygniBlog I figured it out earlier but every cable I’ve got including Xbox series x failed..
@@piotrchwalek6925 Make sure you update your receiver firmware. As you can see I had some strange results in this video.
I redid the test after upgrading the firmware:
ua-cam.com/video/O3c_kNig7iI/v-deo.html
and got much more consistent results.
One thing I did in the re-test was to completely power off and unplug the receiver before plugging in the HDMI cable.
If it's not unplugged from the wall, it doesn't turn completely off.
I also tested my Xbox cable and it passed:
ua-cam.com/video/Td0zoNu9r20/v-deo.html
Of course that's no guarantee that any other Xbox cable will pass.
Zeskit is now selling "certified" Ultra High Speed (2.1) HDMI cables:
smile.amazon.com/48Gbps-Compatible-Netflix-Playstation-Samsung/dp/B07S1CGQ9Z/
If I was buying one today I'd buy that one.
I was fortunate that both my Zeskit 8K cable & my Xbox cable meet the standard.
Interesting...
Here's the re-test I did once I upgraded the Denon firmware:
ua-cam.com/video/O3c_kNig7iI/v-deo.html
There is a company called Bluejeanscable.com I would recommend for all sorts of cool cable stuff.
Thanks. I'll check them out.
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The denon cable test is utter garbage.
I agree it could be better, but I think it has some usefulness.
With most cables certified these days, it's not as critical as it once was.