DiamondLobby your videos have such great quality that i'm always surprised that you don't have at least 500k subscribers. You do your research really well and your just really fun to watch. KEEP IT UP!
It's hard to have a lot of subscribers because this is a niche audience. Most of his videos are gaming mouse reviews and most people who already have working mouse have no need for them
I got my m4 mini 4k a few months ago. I really wanted to try a solid finger tip mouse without spending top tier finger grip mouse prices. After a year of searching I finally found the m4, it appeared too good to be true when considering the price. Overall it's beat my expectations ten fold. What a sleeper this mouse is. If you have never tried a finger tip mini mouse before and are curious, this is it.
Huh? M4 is great mouse and for people who finger tip and are forced to use big bulk budget mice, M4 is salvation. Thank god for m4, I have finally been freed
6 months now, still better than most mouse i have used before. I have to admit that fingertip grip is really fatigue for long hour gaming, feels like you cant even grip the mouse properly anymore. But if you can manage to rest between matches, then this mouse would level up your gaming experience...a lot. I got some crazy flick shots with this mouse on fingertip grip, and insane tracking on claw grip. If they can make the sensor higher up a bit for claw grip, then this mouse would be insane, ez for radiant, top 500, predator, 30k premiere whatever it is.
5:18 NO WAY You got deadlock access? That's so cool! I won't buy any of these, they just don't feel top tier, but their price really is incredible and I'm excited to see Keychron make more.
@@ArkkieAlbadr I have one. Its comfort is great. Fits in the hand just like an MX Master. Build quality is not as good as expected but has a flawless sensor, 1000hz polling, and side scroll wheel which is very useful in excel. Good buy at $49.
@@ArkkieAlbadr Hey bro, I bought it and was using it for about a month. I have massive hands, for me it's just a little small, my bro who is 180sm/85kg thinks it's a perfect size. Other than that, only 2 downsides to this mouse are bad glides, that I changed to dot glides I had, and not very satisfying main scroll wheel when using it in clicks mode instead of infinite scroll mode. But that's just a preference thing, I mainly use it in infinite scroll mode
M2 4k, M2 mini, and the new m7 are probably the best options. Good lightweight ergo. Beside the coating that feels cheaper, the build quality is really good.
M6 is very uncomfortable. I have one myself and it's a bit of a let down. Can't seem to find a light weight wireless gaming mouse with infinite scroll wheel; this is the only one that fits the bill. It's just unfortunate that it's small for my averaged sized hand, and the hump makes it all worse.
I think the mice feet are the worst part as well, however, I checked the white versions and they come with a different feet compound (white) which looks similar to better compounds in other mice.
@@Jdbdjdbdkdbdjjd it's really good! The infinite scroll wheel is really helpful for me at least. The normal clicky one is kinda loud and doesn't sound good imo. Feels cheap. But the infinite one is really good
the only problem I have experienced with M4 is that sometimes especially when playing counter strike I do have my jump binded on scroll wheel and from time to time out of nowhere the mouse scroll gets activated
@@alfred0231 havent found anything on the internet mentioning this specific issue yet. I do have my pc about a metre from the mouse so I dont think that is the issue. I am using keychron soft from the beginning so idk. But thanks for tips
@@yamaokka Then if you haven't done install the software for the M4 mouse on the keychron website. It does feel a bit sketch as they host it on google drive, but that likely will fix it.
Ima go out and say it. I feel like epomaker does a better job than keychron. I have had razor, Logitech, epomaker, and keychron. epomaker is the best (CIDOO V75)
I really...really really hate these silly latency whoring devices. Even 1000hz pollling extremely damn marginal and people reporting that they "feel" different are gas lighting. Blind test -- and I mean truly blind such that the testers won't recognize the mouse based on any other associative information like surface feel or recognizing the shape to bias their opinion -- even the most pro gamers in Apex, Valorant, Counter Strike, etc I'm 100% positive they wouldn't reliably recognize any issue unless polling drops below 250hz. People don't understand how games are written, and have always been written. The main game loop (thread, many games are primarily single threaded with some tasks offloaded), which is almost certainly running at exactly your FPS is far slowing than your mouse hardware's polling and reporting rate. Does it matter that your mouse sensor can take a measurment 1000 times a second, if it only reports to your CPU, updating that memory at half that rate? Maybe the IO subsystem and kernel design actually does have these updates as fast as the polling rate, so 1000 times a second, fine. The game itself is only asking for "what state is this input device in?" at your framerate, and no faster than. That your mouse may have seen 5 or 100 extra updates, is irrelevant. At any snapshot in time -- actually any TWO -- it's really reporting a delta. That is, a "net" movement traveled since last polled by the game. So who's running their games at 8000 fps? 4000? 1000? 500? Exactly. You can barely write a barebones Win32 C application, initialize Vulkan, poll for input, draw a single textured triangle, and clear the screen to black and achieve 8k fps. Not to speak of an entire actual game. You can't tell me that an input device being polled at 8k has a material difference under human control, who's only seeing updates at 1/30th the rate, and has a measured biological reaction time of .2 seconds. The math ain't mathing. Let's be clear, the real limit is vision -- because while we don't explicitly "see" every frame of a game, we can perceive a smoothness difference in refresh rates greater than our reaction time. That's fine. It's not that you're able to "see" something much sooner that's the difference maker, but that your brain "feels and perceives" the motion differently. That's a fair argument to say there's a difference between 120hz and 240hz -- however, it isn't arguable that even 8ms difference isn't going to move the needle at all in your gaming performance if you're not already top 5 player/team in a well established eSports title. The gap between players is simply skill, and feeling comfortable, not equipment. But once you have that perception of your monitors motion in play, literally everything else happening behind the scenes in terms of "faster refresh" is irrelevant. It is literally data being thrown away as if it never existed and didn't need to exist for a gamer. Yes, engine devs know some details of what can be mildly improved with a higher internal refresh rate than presentation, but higher input polling isn't one of them. If the game has slowed to 15fps presentation, accepting input at 60fps isn't helping things out, and in fact may lead to some seriously messed up state. Hence, a lot of games actually have a "miniumum" framerate where below that, they have to run the core logic slower and won't interpolate the actual passage of time for the player. If they don't do this, something will fall apart, like you fall through the floor. I'm someone who's coded game/engines for hobby, DirectInput API and Win32 C API so I know how the OS and the "fast" abstraction layer works at the core for games with all input devices (everything is either a joystick, mouse, and keyboard).
m4 is a banger budget fingertip mouse. given that the other options are pricey
DiamondLobby your videos have such great quality that i'm always surprised that you don't have at least 500k subscribers. You do your research really well and your just really fun to watch. KEEP IT UP!
I normally come to you when needing new peripherals :D
Before you said it i though he had 4.3M i don't why i know i saw something like that 😅
He will get there, just like all good things in life - it takes time.
It's hard to have a lot of subscribers because this is a niche audience. Most of his videos are gaming mouse reviews and most people who already have working mouse have no need for them
I got my m4 mini 4k a few months ago. I really wanted to try a solid finger tip mouse without spending top tier finger grip mouse prices. After a year of searching I finally found the m4, it appeared too good to be true when considering the price. Overall it's beat my expectations ten fold. What a sleeper this mouse is. If you have never tried a finger tip mini mouse before and are curious, this is it.
The M4 is absolutely incredible. Been using it for 4 months now, feels like i cant game without it anymore...
It's also cheap too. Can't use any other mice, because they're too big lmao
Thanks for the hyperbole
Meanwhile, in reality
Huh? M4 is great mouse and for people who finger tip and are forced to use big bulk budget mice, M4 is salvation. Thank god for m4, I have finally been freed
6 months now, still better than most mouse i have used before. I have to admit that fingertip grip is really fatigue for long hour gaming, feels like you cant even grip the mouse properly anymore. But if you can manage to rest between matches, then this mouse would level up your gaming experience...a lot. I got some crazy flick shots with this mouse on fingertip grip, and insane tracking on claw grip. If they can make the sensor higher up a bit for claw grip, then this mouse would be insane, ez for radiant, top 500, predator, 30k premiere whatever it is.
@@MVXZido mouse doesn't really matter, unless it's a 5€ Logitech mouse
have absolutely adored my M4 since i got it
5:18 NO WAY You got deadlock access? That's so cool! I won't buy any of these, they just don't feel top tier, but their price really is incredible and I'm excited to see Keychron make more.
Finally a review of the 4K. I have it in my wishlist for months. The only problem for me would be the length.
The lack of sidewalls is such a bummer
Damn. Now I can use outlook, excel and terminate employments on 4k.
5:18 - Now we know that game must've been Deadlock!
I really wanted more information about the M6. I was starting to consider buying it and wanted to know how comfortable it was when used for work.
@@ArkkieAlbadr I have one. Its comfort is great. Fits in the hand just like an MX Master. Build quality is not as good as expected but has a flawless sensor, 1000hz polling, and side scroll wheel which is very useful in excel. Good buy at $49.
@@ArkkieAlbadr Hey bro, I bought it and was using it for about a month. I have massive hands, for me it's just a little small, my bro who is 180sm/85kg thinks it's a perfect size. Other than that, only 2 downsides to this mouse are bad glides, that I changed to dot glides I had, and not very satisfying main scroll wheel when using it in clicks mode instead of infinite scroll mode. But that's just a preference thing, I mainly use it in infinite scroll mode
the price reveal really shocked me. none of these shapes r for me personally but for those that they do fit, it seems like a steal
M4 seems like such a great fingertip mouse tho
The M3 Mini Metal Edition looks a lot like the Razer Viper Mini Signature Edition but with a much cleaner and soft rounded look. Loving it.
@1:13 thanks, i needed to hear that
Hopefully you get the M7 soon
M2 4k, M2 mini, and the new m7 are probably the best options. Good lightweight ergo. Beside the coating that feels cheaper, the build quality is really good.
6:02 wow, it's lighter than a g502x. Logitech pls.
M6 is very uncomfortable. I have one myself and it's a bit of a let down. Can't seem to find a light weight wireless gaming mouse with infinite scroll wheel; this is the only one that fits the bill. It's just unfortunate that it's small for my averaged sized hand, and the hump makes it all worse.
my modded 22 grams m4 has been my daily driver for a few months now
How did you weight mod it? Iv been wanting to do the same to mine
@@kothrill5733 i desoldered useless stuff and drilled holes into the shell, i can send pictures if u want
i desolderes useless stuff, cut the shell and the base and swapped battery for a smaller one
@@Julian-xz6nu which battery did you use and also do you have a recommendation for some skates Thanks for your time.
@@sreekanthsivakumar i got a 50mah and a 150mah (which i use when i got my tft phase) and i use jade dot skates on my skypad 3.0
I love my M4. A little grip tape and it's the best thing i've used.
Using the M2 mini at the moment. Excellent small ergo mice.
I like the side buttons on my M4.
Wish I could add more. :p
I think the mice feet are the worst part as well, however, I checked the white versions and they come with a different feet compound (white) which looks similar to better compounds in other mice.
ngl wooting still clears great video 😄
Great video idea… you do a mousepad roundup from the last valorant Lan
I use the m6 for work. SUPER USEFUL and m4 for gaming
is it good. I have seen many negative reviews for m6....is it worth to buy it?
@@Jdbdjdbdkdbdjjd I love my m6 for work and such. It is a bit cheap feeling cause of the materials. But for work is amazing!
@@yddragon100 how is the scroll wheel?
@@Jdbdjdbdkdbdjjd it's really good! The infinite scroll wheel is really helpful for me at least. The normal clicky one is kinda loud and doesn't sound good imo. Feels cheap. But the infinite one is really good
A glorious sticker on your laptop? 😳
Wish the M3 Metal had a 1000hz version for $80
Did you try replacing gliders on these mice?
Maybe it would help with gliding.
i use the m6 on a daily basis. wooting still clears though.
@@thawzie is it good. I have seen many negative reviews for m6....is it worth to buy it?
1:10 awww 🥰
no m7... dang it.. I thought for sure they would have sent you the newest m7 mouse
Pls make a top 5 glossy mice list
Video idea: using a drawing tablet... as a mousepad
Ai, where can i get that small keyboard.
please review the m7
The build quality on the M6 was atrocious. I returned it after using for about 10 minutes.
the only problem I have experienced with M4 is that sometimes especially when playing counter strike I do have my jump binded on scroll wheel and from time to time out of nowhere the mouse scroll gets activated
Hey I had a similar issue but it went away. It was either my receiver was to far away or it was fixed once I downloaded their software for the mouse.
@@alfred0231 havent found anything on the internet mentioning this specific issue yet. I do have my pc about a metre from the mouse so I dont think that is the issue. I am using keychron soft from the beginning so idk. But thanks for tips
@@yamaokka Then if you haven't done install the software for the M4 mouse on the keychron website. It does feel a bit sketch as they host it on google drive, but that likely will fix it.
mice with holes in them are gonna get disgusting after a few months
i dropped my toilet paper immediately while wiping my ass to click on this video
That is so epic
Is it dumb that I want it for the USB keyboard dongle
I found your old youtube channel you used to do reviews on by accident. I'm sorry about that.
Good video, funny jokes. Wooting clears. :)
PLEASE invite me to the deadlock playtest man PLEASE
The mouse equivalent of KEY(board)chron would be Michron.
M4 is goated for me
what's up with you changing the names of mice randomly 😂 (mr beast x)
Should I get the Razer DAV3 wired or Razer Viper V3 Hyperspeed
Dav3. Save your wrist
i just found my new main mouse : M4
I need gaming mouse with 4 side buttons
Okay. My G703 is nearing the end of its life.
What's the closest mice that I can buy?
g703
@@DiamondLobbyReviews Doh!
Also, yes. I think I might buy like 3 and make sure they are buried with me.
YOU HAVE BEEN PLAYING WHAT??? PLEASE GET ME AN INVITE I BEG YOU
Ima go out and say it. I feel like epomaker does a better job than keychron. I have had razor, Logitech, epomaker, and keychron. epomaker is the best (CIDOO V75)
Mr Beast mini🤣
I really...really really hate these silly latency whoring devices. Even 1000hz pollling extremely damn marginal and people reporting that they "feel" different are gas lighting. Blind test -- and I mean truly blind such that the testers won't recognize the mouse based on any other associative information like surface feel or recognizing the shape to bias their opinion -- even the most pro gamers in Apex, Valorant, Counter Strike, etc I'm 100% positive they wouldn't reliably recognize any issue unless polling drops below 250hz.
People don't understand how games are written, and have always been written. The main game loop (thread, many games are primarily single threaded with some tasks offloaded), which is almost certainly running at exactly your FPS is far slowing than your mouse hardware's polling and reporting rate. Does it matter that your mouse sensor can take a measurment 1000 times a second, if it only reports to your CPU, updating that memory at half that rate? Maybe the IO subsystem and kernel design actually does have these updates as fast as the polling rate, so 1000 times a second, fine. The game itself is only asking for "what state is this input device in?" at your framerate, and no faster than. That your mouse may have seen 5 or 100 extra updates, is irrelevant. At any snapshot in time -- actually any TWO -- it's really reporting a delta. That is, a "net" movement traveled since last polled by the game. So who's running their games at 8000 fps? 4000? 1000? 500? Exactly. You can barely write a barebones Win32 C application, initialize Vulkan, poll for input, draw a single textured triangle, and clear the screen to black and achieve 8k fps. Not to speak of an entire actual game. You can't tell me that an input device being polled at 8k has a material difference under human control, who's only seeing updates at 1/30th the rate, and has a measured biological reaction time of .2 seconds. The math ain't mathing.
Let's be clear, the real limit is vision -- because while we don't explicitly "see" every frame of a game, we can perceive a smoothness difference in refresh rates greater than our reaction time. That's fine. It's not that you're able to "see" something much sooner that's the difference maker, but that your brain "feels and perceives" the motion differently. That's a fair argument to say there's a difference between 120hz and 240hz -- however, it isn't arguable that even 8ms difference isn't going to move the needle at all in your gaming performance if you're not already top 5 player/team in a well established eSports title. The gap between players is simply skill, and feeling comfortable, not equipment. But once you have that perception of your monitors motion in play, literally everything else happening behind the scenes in terms of "faster refresh" is irrelevant. It is literally data being thrown away as if it never existed and didn't need to exist for a gamer. Yes, engine devs know some details of what can be mildly improved with a higher internal refresh rate than presentation, but higher input polling isn't one of them. If the game has slowed to 15fps presentation, accepting input at 60fps isn't helping things out, and in fact may lead to some seriously messed up state. Hence, a lot of games actually have a "miniumum" framerate where below that, they have to run the core logic slower and won't interpolate the actual passage of time for the player. If they don't do this, something will fall apart, like you fall through the floor.
I'm someone who's coded game/engines for hobby, DirectInput API and Win32 C API so I know how the OS and the "fast" abstraction layer works at the core for games with all input devices (everything is either a joystick, mouse, and keyboard).
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I don't know how mx master is ergonomic. I can't stand this shape. Maybe my palm is too big, idk. Razer pro click is way more comfortable for me.