Sora's Smash moveset vs the original games 2

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  • @StickmanSham
    @StickmanSham  3 роки тому +411

    the original video received many corrections and ideas of where these moves may have come from, so I rewatched the gameplay demo and came up with a couple more connections to the original games

    • @raisylvaine8398
      @raisylvaine8398 3 роки тому +12

      Ngl, Sora’s downthrow kinda reminds me of of the Failsafe RC in the same way the Morning Star one does, he throws the Nobody into the ground with his left hand; it’s just not quite as fast. Pretty good connection nonetheless, thank you!

    • @Murilo_Bolzani
      @Murilo_Bolzani 3 роки тому +6

      I think his backthrow is based on that Winnie the Poo minigame from KH II lol

    • @ChrisRolands
      @ChrisRolands 3 роки тому +3

      Up tilt also reminds me of Chain Rave, from Re:coded.
      ua-cam.com/video/dmglmcDECzs/v-deo.html

    • @Aniqqqerz
      @Aniqqqerz 3 роки тому +6

      So the legends are true, you did read our comments.

    • @VeldWolf
      @VeldWolf 3 роки тому +4

      During the Sephiroth sequence you can actually see Sora's dash attack, it's , fittingly, KH1's Sliding Dash.

  • @lucylu3342
    @lucylu3342 3 роки тому +345

    People who haven't played KH yet are gonna be in for a shock when the gameplay clips go from fairly normal Kingdom Hearts 1 to batshit insane deflecting a dome of lasers in Kingdom Hearts 2 at 0:45

    • @sonicj.shadow5072
      @sonicj.shadow5072 3 роки тому +34

      it would be more insane if they even get KH2 and KH3 form ...for me just Final form from KH2 get in the Smash would be broken everything.

    • @SlabOfSteak
      @SlabOfSteak 3 роки тому +22

      @@sonicj.shadow5072 Kh2 or Kh3 Sora would just dominate the entire roster. It wouldn’t be fair

    • @harrisonjacobs2594
      @harrisonjacobs2594 3 роки тому +1

      @@SlabOfSteak still wish it was in :(

    • @thegamewin100
      @thegamewin100 2 роки тому +1

      @@harrisonjacobs2594 he would have gotten insanely nerfed he even has reflect in kh2 which is busted

    • @secondbestjojo1300
      @secondbestjojo1300 Рік тому

      ​@@SlabOfSteak Kirby?

  • @littlecasserole3052
    @littlecasserole3052 3 роки тому +148

    lmao the jump from kh1 in traverse town to sora fucking shit up in kh2

    • @iotadays
      @iotadays 3 роки тому +24

      goes to show how much the boy has grown

    • @brandonwilliams6119
      @brandonwilliams6119 3 роки тому +15

      The jump from KH2 to KH3 is even greater in that Sora doesn’t need to sacrifice Donald or Goofy to achieve his transformations.

    • @daseal1479
      @daseal1479 3 роки тому +18

      @@brandonwilliams6119 That was only ever a gameplay aspect before as well, but nobody ever talks about it. You can see Sora still in said form when cutscenes begin, though like you said it's irrelevant as of 3.

    • @DorkAndFriends
      @DorkAndFriends 3 роки тому +4

      @@daseal1479 Idk man i miss forms. Not saying that removing most of them for keyblade transformations was the best option, but tbh i would've loved to see what sora could achieve with valor and master respectively.

    • @daseal1479
      @daseal1479 3 роки тому

      @@DorkAndFriends It would have been nice to at least have an option for Valor and Wisdom, like how 2-style has it's own dedicated forms in 3. Though i could pass on Master and Final, for various reasons.

  • @RooneyDUNX
    @RooneyDUNX 3 роки тому +159

    Up throw also seems pretty close to Sora throwing the first Larxene upward.
    The way he turns the keyblade during his final smash reminds of several of his KH1 summon animations

    • @rinnnnnnnnnnrin
      @rinnnnnnnnnnrin 3 роки тому +8

      *ptsd of tinker bell maleficent cheese...*

    • @Brieg_Skald
      @Brieg_Skald 2 роки тому +3

      Summoning Simba or Mushu. :)

  • @munitz3740
    @munitz3740 3 роки тому +120

    I think the up tilt attack can also be seen in the Neoshadow reaction command and Subzero Impact in the Sköll fight.

  • @zemom.a.8171
    @zemom.a.8171 3 роки тому +146

    I think the aerial combo im smash resembles KH2 soras base air-combo more than KH1 soras air combo.

    • @VeldWolf
      @VeldWolf 3 роки тому +21

      Theres two different ones depending on if you start with NAir or FAir.

    • @Marshallchandra
      @Marshallchandra 3 роки тому +1

      @@VeldWolf NAur and FAir?

    • @DorienTheHeroOfTheArts
      @DorienTheHeroOfTheArts 3 роки тому +16

      @@Marshallchandra Neutral Air, and Forward Air

    • @MaxxusDrago
      @MaxxusDrago 2 роки тому +1

      True.
      Nair is more akin to KH2's basic aerial combo while Fair is closer to KH1's aerial combo.

  • @trial_with_an_error9687
    @trial_with_an_error9687 3 роки тому +51

    The laser dome scene is still STILL one of the most badass moments in video game history period.

    • @onii-chain
      @onii-chain Рік тому +4

      honestly i still think kh2 is one of the best games ever created

  • @egg2520
    @egg2520 3 роки тому +84

    I swear to god I've never seen Sora turn it like an actual key until Smash

  • @yakov9903
    @yakov9903 3 роки тому +31

    Yeah, no. His side smash is DEFINITELY his KH1 counterattack animation.

    • @stevez2158
      @stevez2158 3 роки тому +7

      Might be Muscle Strike from Coded

    • @VeldWolf
      @VeldWolf 3 роки тому

      Damn u right.

    • @jassiemjackson3437
      @jassiemjackson3437 3 роки тому

      It somewhat looks like Upper Slash to me

    • @Cri_Jackal
      @Cri_Jackal 3 роки тому +1

      No, counterattack in KH1 is an upward slash, he literally uses the exact same move in smash with his counter.

    • @yakov9903
      @yakov9903 3 роки тому

      @@Cri_Jackal No the fuck he does not. Check it again fucko, you're literally just straight up wrong.
      In KH1, the counterattack animation plays as him recoiling back and using that momentum to do an outward spinning slash.
      You can literally watch Sham's last video where he compares his smash counter to his source counter and see that they're completely different!

  • @brandonwilliams6119
    @brandonwilliams6119 3 роки тому +37

    The Larxene throw does look very similar to the forward throw or was it the back throw? I wonder if his down throw will be Fail-Safe, he did it against certain nobodies.

  • @SuperMarioSwagger
    @SuperMarioSwagger 3 роки тому +145

    Isn't the up tilt attack, the reaction command against neoshadows ?

    • @brandonwilliams6119
      @brandonwilliams6119 3 роки тому +31

      It could even be an upwards Prism Windmill

    • @pokespartytv8086
      @pokespartytv8086 3 роки тому +3

      @@brandonwilliams6119 lol

    • @Namikazesora
      @Namikazesora 3 роки тому +9

      Yep, Wild dance, its so rare though to see it as they usually die too quick haha

    • @AwesomeX
      @AwesomeX 3 роки тому +10

      @@Namikazesora The actual name is Wind Dance. Wild Dance is the reaction command against those water enemies Demyx makes

    • @definitelynotasquid
      @definitelynotasquid 3 роки тому

      no its timeless river when you fight the tugboat box and u deflect the trash upwards i promise u its an exact match

  • @CrownedJulz
    @CrownedJulz 3 роки тому +9

    For the pour souls who have NOT touched a single KH game, please know this man did a good job to correlate the original moves.
    *From: an '01 OG KH fan.

  • @Redxan600
    @Redxan600 3 роки тому +33

    The up throw is actually him using an item.

    • @Cri_Jackal
      @Cri_Jackal 3 роки тому +3

      YOOO that's a good catch!

  • @Dekomlev
    @Dekomlev 3 роки тому +72

    LMFAO why is Sora in his default idle stance in the air like that on the last clip💀

    • @reddodeado301
      @reddodeado301 3 роки тому +19

      Floaty game, unplayable/10

    • @raisylvaine8398
      @raisylvaine8398 3 роки тому +15

      Since he was in the air during the finishing blow, he must’ve returned to his basic stance for the scene to play; tbh I can’t say this for sure, just a guess

    • @mikepalmer1676
      @mikepalmer1676 3 роки тому +1

      Sora's version of TF2 Soldier's chad A-pose 😂

    • @rocketdog734
      @rocketdog734 3 роки тому +7

      the trinity break attack's always been a little wonky when you finish some battles with it lmao

    • @edgiest-edgelord-that-edges
      @edgiest-edgelord-that-edges 3 роки тому +4

      I noticed this in some KH2 videos lmfao
      I think finishing with certain attacks midair make you default back to the standing pose for a few seconds if you finish the battle with it
      Sometimes you'll notice him suddenly snap to his falling animation before the screen fully fades like "OH WAIT SHIT I'M FALLING"

  • @Davey-lm1qq
    @Davey-lm1qq 3 роки тому +13

    Honestly surprised they didn't give him a comeback mechanic with a second keyblade at high percent.

  • @ImmaNort
    @ImmaNort 3 роки тому +17

    I thought Sora's throw was from the mini game where you Pooh gets stuck in a pot.

  • @IkanaCanyon7
    @IkanaCanyon7 3 роки тому +3

    I think Sora's down throw might pull more closely from the Assassin's reaction command. Also as many have mentioned the up tilt seems to closely resemble the Neoshadow command the most.

  • @jonathangp65
    @jonathangp65 3 роки тому +26

    It's cool to see so many details packed into one fighter here.

  • @orangeapples
    @orangeapples 3 роки тому +6

    So wait, was the move showcase linked to the clothing option?
    I would say the ending for stamina mode is more similar to KH1 since Sora doesn't need to use a finisher. The camera movement and blurring effect was more KH1 than it was KH2.

  • @Friendly_Neighborhood_Qrock
    @Friendly_Neighborhood_Qrock 3 роки тому +6

    You know theirs something very wrong if Sora can still easily defeat Sephiroth to this day-

  • @nightcaller92
    @nightcaller92 Рік тому +3

    Pretty neat how the Smash game-end is a mix of the KH2 hit-freeze and the KH1 whiteout

  • @ultimaboi2950
    @ultimaboi2950 3 роки тому +4

    Tbh I thought Sora's up-thow is based off the animation of him using an item like potions.

  • @nesoukkefka1741
    @nesoukkefka1741 3 роки тому +34

    Also the move he uses to finish Cloud remind of Sonic Blade's Last Hit.

  • @dr3ad698
    @dr3ad698 3 роки тому +1

    seeying sora defeating sephirot still brutally epic

    • @Lightpaladin720
      @Lightpaladin720 3 роки тому

      Ready for round 3 Sephiroth, we didn't meet when Kh3 came out or the dlc

  • @slateoffate9812
    @slateoffate9812 3 роки тому +6

    When Sakurai used Sonic Blade to finish that one fight, the Kingdom Key looked more like the Kingdom Key D?

  • @orangexlightning
    @orangexlightning 3 роки тому

    I think the Up Throw is actually more reminiscent of using an item.

  • @simple_npc8320
    @simple_npc8320 3 роки тому +3

    Do love that Sakurai and team put a lot of detail from a lot of his moves from the series. Its so nice

  • @BluntmanEXE
    @BluntmanEXE 3 роки тому +2

    Leave it to Sakurai to nail every single detail of every character he adds.

  • @WalkerVA
    @WalkerVA 3 роки тому +2

    Up tilt is Zantetsuken. It's repurposed and styled differently but they're the same 2 motions. Twirl the keyblade and then a reverse grip slash

  • @TheAzulmagia
    @TheAzulmagia 3 роки тому +3

    Sora, you can't just launch a Fire spell into a woman's bosom.

    • @metuos.3651
      @metuos.3651 3 роки тому

      Amazing chest ahe- wait no fuck wrong game NO

  • @stevez2158
    @stevez2158 3 роки тому +17

    The side smash heavily resembles Muscle Strike from Coded

    • @tsukiiyomii1232
      @tsukiiyomii1232 3 роки тому +1

      imo I think f smash is like upper slash in kh2, but I see where ur coming from

  • @dogesec
    @dogesec 3 роки тому +2

    Another down-throw example would be the reaction command from that assassin nobody from kh2

  • @КонстантинПаршуков-о6б

    2:10 Sephiroth tried to Royal Guard but failed.

  • @ElickFlash
    @ElickFlash 3 роки тому +2

    Someone else caught it the final smash was a reference to the Marluxia kill

  • @Nosfera22
    @Nosfera22 3 роки тому +4

    Wow, he takes a lot more from the other games than I thought he did. Obviously Sora's entire appearance is mostly based off of 1 but its cool to see stuff from 2 & 3 as well

  • @jorgecardenas3026
    @jorgecardenas3026 3 роки тому +1

    I think his back throw comes from kh3 with goofybommbomer

  • @ruccsacc
    @ruccsacc Рік тому +1

    Isn't the final smash a reference to sealing the dtd?

  • @waynesanvictores7770
    @waynesanvictores7770 3 роки тому +1

    I can't be the only one who always finish sephiroth with trinity in KH2

  • @ShirouBrando
    @ShirouBrando 3 роки тому +1

    Up throw is also the same animation for when sora uses a item

  • @SDSXellan
    @SDSXellan 3 роки тому +2

    I swear when slowing down the laser part looks like they reflecting nothing

    • @VeldWolf
      @VeldWolf 3 роки тому +4

      It was designed for PS2 resolutions on older screens, so obviously they omitted the details in such a busy scene. Doesn't make it any less awesome or iconic.

  • @kingarthurpendragon134
    @kingarthurpendragon134 3 роки тому +2

    The forward smash looks similar to slapshot from KH2, with the way sora puts his one foot forward and does a sweeping upward motion with keyblade instead of it being a normal horizontal swing

  • @jexusdomel5194
    @jexusdomel5194 3 роки тому +1

    A person said this in the last video, and I think it's more correct. His up tilt seems closer to the start up of tornado from chain of memories

  • @FullSpiritTv
    @FullSpiritTv 3 роки тому

    Did i watch this despite knowing all his moves yes. Because I’m a simp for kh.

  • @jinx1987
    @jinx1987 Рік тому

    I just knew it was mainly based around Kh1 Sora just by his jump animation

  • @MegaFredification
    @MegaFredification 3 роки тому +3

    i think his back throw is more like kh3's goofy bombardier?

  • @dyavie
    @dyavie 2 роки тому

    lmao damn this whole comment section is filled with kingdom hearts experts.

  • @lilliegant73
    @lilliegant73 3 роки тому +3

    obama gaming

  • @matthewwysong644
    @matthewwysong644 2 роки тому

    I still think the final smash should have been Ragnarok.

  • @Funnemuffin
    @Funnemuffin 3 роки тому +1

    Down smash is one of his combo finishers from KH2

  • @melvin7086
    @melvin7086 3 роки тому

    0:54 when u pause at the right time *back break*

  • @RoryRenee24
    @RoryRenee24 3 роки тому

    Not you showing the laser fight for his uptilt 💀💀

  • @meevil24
    @meevil24 3 роки тому +1

    Bruh that slowdown at 0:47 was so cool

  • @CrystalHakurei
    @CrystalHakurei 3 роки тому

    One that I didn't see in either is that I'm pretty sure the single hit f tilt is slapshot

  • @sylvir2701
    @sylvir2701 3 роки тому

    Isn't his f-smash kinda like Upper Slash from KH2?

  • @blackastranyx6532
    @blackastranyx6532 3 роки тому

    How to tell when a person haven't played kh before. Watched this video.

  • @TheBaldingPied
    @TheBaldingPied 3 роки тому

    something else to notice, ftilt 3 hit combo uses slap shot, that jump slash from KH1 is used for f-throw

  • @newnengates3764
    @newnengates3764 3 роки тому

    Now we just need Riku for Smash ultimate and then the whole video game is perfect!

  • @Gray137
    @Gray137 3 роки тому

    Final smash and sealing the world in KH2 use the same hop and Keyblade twirl

  • @TwilightKeon
    @TwilightKeon 3 роки тому

    Kinda sad people don't realize his side tilt is slapshot.

  • @Coolio_Ash
    @Coolio_Ash 3 роки тому

    Omg the final smash is a com reference???

  • @SlyJMan
    @SlyJMan 3 роки тому

    I thought back throw was more a reference to the reaction command to those Nobodies who suicide bomb and Sora throwing them into the floor.

  • @sphereShots
    @sphereShots 3 роки тому

    His fSmash looks a lot more like kh1 Counterattack, ngl

  • @xephonian
    @xephonian 3 роки тому

    The up air looks nothing alike.. unless I'm missing something

  • @ShadowCurito
    @ShadowCurito 3 роки тому

    His final smash is him sealing them in kingdom hearts itself if im correct

  • @ShadowCurito
    @ShadowCurito 3 роки тому

    His final smash is him sealing them in kingdom hearts itself if im correct

  • @demi43505
    @demi43505 3 роки тому

    I personally thought his down throw came from the Fail-Safe reaction command that he uses on the Assassin nobodies.

  • @roybusiness6929
    @roybusiness6929 3 роки тому +1

    Am i the only one who thinks his ultimate is pretty weak, like it must have been the trio move from KH1

    • @izukazephoenix
      @izukazephoenix 3 роки тому +1

      If they took it from CoM then maybe. Cause doesn't trinity normally need Donald and goofy?

    • @loghh
      @loghh 3 роки тому +3

      @@izukazephoenix Sora has a solo version of trinity too ^^ Its the move sephiroth is finished off in this video.

    • @roybusiness6929
      @roybusiness6929 3 роки тому

      @@izukazephoenix I actually expected Donald and Goofy to be in his final smash, like Shulk's, Joker, Ness, Lucas...
      But i guess it's too much to ask to Disney

    • @dave9515
      @dave9515 3 роки тому +2

      @@roybusiness6929 Sakurai and the devs had a rule where characters that did not originate from games can't be repped at all in smash so no disney characters heavily referenced makes sense and its perfectly fine. Idk how long this rule will be around but i kind of like it honestly.

  • @caelumCh
    @caelumCh 3 роки тому

    Yes, original movement is important.

  • @xeno4693
    @xeno4693 3 роки тому

    This is the only accurate one I’ve seen thus far

  • @FlyShyGuy007
    @FlyShyGuy007 3 роки тому

    Sora at 2:21: “I alone will stand at the top.”

  • @arthur1050
    @arthur1050 3 роки тому

    his first aerial looks like the base kh3 sora attack when locking on to an enemy below sora

  • @KaimArgonarEyyyy
    @KaimArgonarEyyyy 3 роки тому +1

    Every single move gotta be converted to vertical, since horizontal stuff has a less of a chance to hit-

    • @KaimArgonarEyyyy
      @KaimArgonarEyyyy 3 роки тому +1

      @Tyler Davis Why have all of sora's moves be vertical focused then?

    • @KaimArgonarEyyyy
      @KaimArgonarEyyyy 3 роки тому +1

      @Tyler Davis I don't, I'm just using my eyes. Attacks that are vertical moving in KH games have been changed to move vertically.

    • @VeldWolf
      @VeldWolf 3 роки тому +1

      @@KaimArgonarEyyyy For example? His moves are pretty much exactly as in the original games. Aerial finishers are taken from KH2, which is a vertical strike.

    • @KaimArgonarEyyyy
      @KaimArgonarEyyyy 3 роки тому

      @@VeldWolf Literally the first example. He swings upwards. diagonally, but still up.

    • @VeldWolf
      @VeldWolf 3 роки тому +1

      @@KaimArgonarEyyyy As another commenter pointed out, Sham might have made a mistake there. Due to that exact diagonal angle you're complaining about, it looks more like KH1's retaliation move Sora uses after a successful Guard. It's not entirely clear but in that case the move would have the exact same trajectory as in the original game.

  • @snurgles3952
    @snurgles3952 3 роки тому

    i wanna own a switch now
    even a lite one is fine

  • @Brieg_Skald
    @Brieg_Skald 2 роки тому

    Sora > Sephiroth.

  • @primepikachu5
    @primepikachu5 3 роки тому

    The up tilt is also the blade charge finisher in bbs without blade charge

  • @Curious963
    @Curious963 3 роки тому +1

    No Zantetsuken as side smash saddens me

    • @Cri_Jackal
      @Cri_Jackal 3 роки тому +1

      Would've been too slow for what they wanted for Sora's playstyle, but then you have to ask why they didn't go with Blitz?
      Probably because it would pop him in the air like the Finishing Leap inspired down smash, but they could've just used Explosion since they already pulled up smash from KH3's Magic Flash.
      Really, I think Blitz should be down smash, and Guard Break should've been forward smash, that way you have a different finisher from each numbered game.

    • @TimothyGod
      @TimothyGod 3 роки тому

      @@Cri_Jackal they could have sped it up what you do with a lot of moves from the original games that aren't as fast as they could be there's definitely a few

  • @handlessuck589
    @handlessuck589 3 роки тому +7

    the sudden cut to final xemnas rc is such a meme

  • @heylookitscesco8698
    @heylookitscesco8698 3 роки тому

    Sick

  • @OGSpaceMarine
    @OGSpaceMarine 3 роки тому

    So Sora is OP then lol

  • @SimK64
    @SimK64 3 роки тому

    1:05
    D4C?!

  • @wyattwilkerson768
    @wyattwilkerson768 3 роки тому

    So sham are you gonna do the Super Smash Bros experience?

    • @DuckLover8493
      @DuckLover8493 3 роки тому

      Hopefully

    • @Redxan600
      @Redxan600 3 роки тому

      And we have to watch him making us look like trash again with his skills.

  • @FuukauvvuJan
    @FuukauvvuJan 3 роки тому

    I like

  • @thepersonahunter..6260
    @thepersonahunter..6260 3 роки тому

    Ye

  • @moondoor9031
    @moondoor9031 3 роки тому

    Sora is a badly written character but he's very fun to play with. That's all, a fun character to play with many combos and magical attacks

    • @Lightpaladin720
      @Lightpaladin720 3 роки тому

      He isn't released and your already saying he's fun to play with

    • @moondoor9031
      @moondoor9031 3 роки тому +1

      @@Lightpaladin720 Well in all of his game he is, so...

    • @Lightpaladin720
      @Lightpaladin720 3 роки тому

      @@moondoor9031 wait until the 18th to play the moveset by yourself

    • @ma.2089
      @ma.2089 3 роки тому

      I like how Micah has legit no problem with u saying he’s a bad character, just that you shouldn’t proclaim something is fun when he’s not even out
      I agree with Him. As for the sora being a bad character, he’s had decent characterization I think the big issue is whether the characterization is good or well written, but whether they’ve remained mostly consistent in said characterization. Which isn’t the case. Sometimes they develop backwards lol
      I think we should all just be glad KH has some competent writing from time to time lol

    • @Lightpaladin720
      @Lightpaladin720 3 роки тому

      @@ma.2089 He isn't it's just that I didn't feel like arguing

  • @nopenopenopepikachu5206
    @nopenopenopepikachu5206 3 роки тому +2

    I love that Sora is gonna get in, but for a dlc character his moveset is kinda bland. Other than the lack of Disney I wish they would have been more creative and not have given him a counter. I would have loved that fire key move from the trailer. I believe it's a reference to kh3. It would have been a bit more creative.

    • @VeldWolf
      @VeldWolf 3 роки тому +9

      His Guard + Retaliation is kinda key to his moveset in the original games, so while I get your point I don't think it's much of an issue. I'm a little bummed his Final Smash isn't Ars and that Strike Raid is missing entirely, but overall he's pretty well represented imo. Most of his gameplay will revolve around aerial combos, so it's gonna be just like the original games, which is awesome.

    • @daseal1479
      @daseal1479 3 роки тому +4

      @@VeldWolf They maybe shafted it to not overlap with Pyra's side B.