Honda S2000 vs Lotus Elise | Buttonwillow 13cw

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  • Опубліковано 4 лют 2019
  • These were the only 3 clean laps we got due to traffic. This is my lotus elise and my friend's honda s2000. Lotus build details are on my channel.
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  • @ono3869
    @ono3869 5 років тому +185

    Straight away.
    I'm gonna let this mustang pass.
    Hits the corners.
    We're loosing the mustang now.
    😂😂😂

  • @aehmerchant
    @aehmerchant 5 років тому +97

    09:07 -- very good recovery. Nice job man!

    • @prodkxi
      @prodkxi 4 роки тому

      aehmerchant i keep rewatching it over and over

    • @Shadow1986
      @Shadow1986 Рік тому

      phew! That was hairy as hell

  • @terminator2149
    @terminator2149 5 років тому +99

    what an interesting camera angle; found that to be a great placement to put your in cabin video on the bottom left, makes it seem like your driving a go-cart. 9/10

    • @bliglum
      @bliglum 5 років тому +4

      I'm not a huge fan of the low cam.. It increases the sense of speed.. But it's so low, you can't really see the track

    • @herberthans7015
      @herberthans7015 5 років тому +3

      9/10 for me too. maybe a hood cam (placed either inside the windshield or on top of the car) would be perfect with the angle/editing of the onboard footage.

    • @luisrod106
      @luisrod106 5 років тому

      bliglum Yea rather cabin view

  • @orleansjunky4074
    @orleansjunky4074 5 років тому +67

    man cant get your leg any more on the shifter lol. gg

  • @RSGAEL
    @RSGAEL 5 років тому +51

    That s2k cant get any cleaner......so nice.

  • @carstech2685
    @carstech2685 5 років тому +11

    as a owner of both those Elise and s2k I love both of my cars. I Howard's s2k is nice and he really knows how to drive the s2k. a s2k stock wont really do well against an Elise but its awesome on what just tires and a bit of aero can do with the s2k. now apply that to your Elise and watch what happens with that

  • @Earl_VTEC
    @Earl_VTEC 5 років тому +14

    S2000 is epic - i hope it will reborn again

  • @dreamdrivedrift
    @dreamdrivedrift 5 років тому +8

    Good driving. I'm impressed by how much quicker the Lotus is in the braking zone, and even on the straightaway. Would not have imagined that (straightline speed) to be the case!

  • @VicCatalasan
    @VicCatalasan 5 років тому +4

    Entertaining video, my two favorite cars! Data on the video is awesome!

  • @ATLRIOT
    @ATLRIOT 5 років тому +1

    Really great video, love the way you edited to have that perspective.

  • @tyronejk
    @tyronejk 5 років тому +14

    Nice camera layout. It's a good way to show all the information.

  • @LLCoolPass
    @LLCoolPass 5 років тому

    That's a really cool video editing perspective trick that you've done there never seen that quite like that before I really like that

  • @anthonys3906
    @anthonys3906 5 років тому

    Digging the set up you have for this vid. None of that gimmicky vlogging crap, just straight racing.

  • @unluggylounge674
    @unluggylounge674 3 роки тому

    nice mate, interesting watch with great commentary. good driving too!

  • @m3lowiesvlog715
    @m3lowiesvlog715 11 місяців тому +1

    Amazing battle!👍🏻

  • @desibro08
    @desibro08 5 років тому +1

    So much fun to watch. Awesome video!

  • @caszzxs4104
    @caszzxs4104 5 років тому

    Awesome video, more like this will catch momentum for sure! Will share

  • @orand515
    @orand515 5 років тому

    These videos are great, making me want to venture out from the auto x I am use to. I think it would be interesting to hear a little conversation between you and the guys you run against after the runs.

  • @adnoHis1
    @adnoHis1 5 років тому

    Really nicely made video. I love the S2000

  • @Johnnie5213
    @Johnnie5213 5 років тому +44

    ❤️❤️❤️❤️ S2000

  • @NL-nk3kg
    @NL-nk3kg 5 років тому

    Got a Sub, Keep it up! Looking forward to your next upload.

  • @EZdick1234
    @EZdick1234 5 років тому

    Great video for such as all channel. SUBSCRIBED!!

  • @WTF8375
    @WTF8375 5 років тому

    Best thing you can do is imitate the s2000. Which you did. Awesome job.
    If you want to save some time, ask if there is a corner you can go flat out to any of the instructors. More info on the gps setup!

  • @andrewg4412
    @andrewg4412 4 роки тому

    Where I live, you can get a ~2002 Elise and 2000-2003 S2000 for the same price, obviously daily driver so gonna be the S2000 but love seeing how they match up on a tight track like this. Thanks for adding the corner speeds, and lateral g's too!

    • @andrewg4412
      @andrewg4412 4 роки тому

      Oh and the way you recover from a loose rear really shows you know more about what you're doing. Straightening the wheels and not just getting right off the gas, as well as not trying to immediately counter steer. Seen so many people lose it from the smallest slide by immediately trying to counter steer, then letting off the throttle completely and causing snap oversteer etc

  • @KevinBurkeRacing
    @KevinBurkeRacing 5 років тому

    nice driving, car looks incredibly fast and fun.

  • @tyronejk
    @tyronejk 5 років тому +12

    It looks like there's a significant time lag (maybe a little over half a second?) in the accelerometer output. It also looks a little jumpy at times, so maybe the filter settings are a little off.

    • @ZentRose
      @ZentRose  5 років тому

      Yes i need to figure out how to fix that. The only thing that seemed to sync correctly was the timing.

  • @ajr5195
    @ajr5195 5 років тому +4

    Good battle!

  • @futabaguy1
    @futabaguy1 5 років тому +4

    Nice recovery around 9:09 I probably would have spun out 😲

  • @blue04mx53
    @blue04mx53 4 роки тому

    Hi, what do you think of the seating position? It appears that you have no where for your right leg. It seems crammed against the shift knob and it looks uncomfortable .

  • @afonsopereira1990
    @afonsopereira1990 5 років тому +1

    Cool video!

  • @johnconnor7501
    @johnconnor7501 5 років тому +9

    That lotus steering wheel looks cool.

  • @luisrod106
    @luisrod106 5 років тому +7

    Man I wish I knew how to drive like this haha

  • @S.Tua.Thousand
    @S.Tua.Thousand 5 років тому

    What time did the ap2 run? What spring rates is he running on the clubsports?

  • @N4CR5
    @N4CR5 5 років тому +1

    Good fun! A Helical LSD may not help so much, I have an S2K and they also will spin up when the inner wheel lifts a little so clutch based LSD is best. I prefer the ease of a strong helical LSD and not worrying about clutch packs and friction modifiers though.. have a 15' Z28 torsen in my LS2k so bit different to most.

  • @H0LDENSUX
    @H0LDENSUX 5 років тому

    What about the Torque to Weight ratio differences between the two cars? Sure the Honda might have slightly lower power to weight ratio, but it could overcome that with more torque to support its superior aerodynamic package.

  • @JohnMFlores
    @JohnMFlores 5 років тому

    Nice driving!

  • @teoshineent.9244
    @teoshineent.9244 5 років тому

    Nice save Zent!

  • @WhatAreWeEating
    @WhatAreWeEating 5 років тому

    Looks like a great day at the track. Couldn't even manage 80mph on the straight in our lemons car lol

  • @SelimxBradley
    @SelimxBradley 5 років тому

    Do you still have the C6 Z06 man? If so, how's she holding up so far?

  • @dantran5478
    @dantran5478 5 років тому

    Fun driving! GG

  • @AmirPomen
    @AmirPomen 5 років тому

    Nice driving...at some part i felt u can improve by releasing the brake earlier and keep higher speed? Looks like u need wider tyre upgrade to keep up with s2000

  • @Rawnfella
    @Rawnfella 5 років тому

    Sweet video.

  • @b18citr
    @b18citr 5 років тому

    I couldn't help but notice where your thigh rests so close to the shifter. Has this been an issue for you?

  • @RC-fe9py
    @RC-fe9py 5 років тому

    Awesomeness!!!

  • @STITCHWA
    @STITCHWA 5 років тому

    Never heard of buttonwillow before, needs to be in forza or grand turismo. Awesome track awesome cars, both on my bucket list....

  • @jazzatar
    @jazzatar 5 років тому +2

    What have you done to the Lotus? Very clean driving enjoyed watching!

  • @ozarka7554
    @ozarka7554 4 роки тому

    That s2k sounded and look sweet.

  • @LC-qp7pr
    @LC-qp7pr 5 років тому

    What tire compound are each of you running?

  • @2gripzcruiser
    @2gripzcruiser 5 років тому

    You had every advantage with that lotus and should never lose

  • @samin2012
    @samin2012 5 років тому

    just wondering if there is an accurate android app for g-forces reading?

  • @dannyboy768
    @dannyboy768 5 років тому +16

    N/a four cylinders 😍

  • @MastRk
    @MastRk 5 років тому +3

    Man I'd love to put a lotus in my garage next to the S.

  • @MrLUXATL
    @MrLUXATL 5 років тому

    Awesome 👍

  • @Doomreb
    @Doomreb 5 років тому +4

    looks like he's driving underground lol

  • @CrispySmiths
    @CrispySmiths 4 роки тому

    which would win if these were both stock?

  • @scottanthony5036
    @scottanthony5036 3 роки тому

    The knee pushing the gear shift over is killing me

  • @hammer86_
    @hammer86_ 5 років тому +2

    Looks like fun. What has been your favorite track car, and have you had the C7 on track yet?

    • @ZentRose
      @ZentRose  5 років тому +1

      I like S2000, miata, FRS/BRZ and this elise for buttonwillow. I like corvettes/mustangs for more open road courses. The C7 has been at the dealer for about a week now.. trying to get the transmission issues fixed under warranty.

  • @FroztiProductions
    @FroztiProductions 3 роки тому

    Yo is the clutch literally to the right of the wheel??

  • @Way2EasyDIY
    @Way2EasyDIY 5 років тому +1

    I miss my 05 Elise. NOTHING could get out of a corner like that car. Where and what track is that? Unfortunately there are like 0 tracks like this in Florida

    • @giannissinti8208
      @giannissinti8208 5 років тому

      Dude there are 0 tracks of any King where i live so be happy... 😭

  • @turtlehater2
    @turtlehater2 5 років тому +1

    s2k guy is real good nice driving

  • @SilverScarletSpider
    @SilverScarletSpider 5 років тому +2

    That’s a cool view set up by overlapping the videos like that. Looks like you’re actually driving on the floor

  • @rickbarajas6823
    @rickbarajas6823 5 років тому +9

    Looks like you’re in a go-kart 😂

  • @colinbowman8816
    @colinbowman8816 5 років тому +14

    You mention that the S2K has the aero advantage a few times. I'm here to point out that the cars are probably about equal in the amount of downforce and drag that they make. The S2K has a lip, hardtop, and wing at low AOA. The Elise has a lip, hood vents, flat floor, duck tail, diffuser, and is known to make about 100lb of downforce at 100 mph. From the literature I have found; the CR spec S2K still makes a little lift, and that is with the lip, hardtop, and small GT wing.
    Buttonwillow is a pretty fast track, and HP matters a good deal here. Advantage S2K. The S2K also had 255 width tires. What did the Elise have? How much time did each driver have in their car, and how much exp. did each have at BW?

    • @michaelgomez4994
      @michaelgomez4994 5 років тому +2

      Colin Bowman a duck tail barley does anything. It just sort of says hi to the air as it does absolutely nothing. While a wing that’s over the roof of the car will be extremely more efficient

    • @michaelgomez4994
      @michaelgomez4994 5 років тому

      Colin Bowman & a rear wing of a fr layout car and shave seconds off your time on a fast track like cw13

    • @michaelgomez4994
      @michaelgomez4994 5 років тому

      Colin Bowman then let’s not forget the s2000 comes with locking diff . Witch again is a huge advantage the car will feel more balanced everywhere with less understeer & allows u to actually put power down

    • @michaelgomez4994
      @michaelgomez4994 5 років тому +1

      Colin Bowman then you add 255 fronts on a car that came with what 215s stock. I’m surprised the kinda stock lotus keep up at all

    • @AmirPomen
      @AmirPomen 5 років тому

      I think the s2000 have better ratio and powerband...
      And if not mistaken, elise stock tyre is narrower than 255 width which the s2k got

  • @reginstravels
    @reginstravels 3 роки тому

    That was awesome

    • @ZentRose
      @ZentRose  3 роки тому

      Glad you liked it!

  • @Norrr3
    @Norrr3 5 років тому +4

    S2000 🤘🏾

  • @SergioInzunza
    @SergioInzunza 5 років тому

    The lotus had some good corner entry speed.

  • @maybelive765
    @maybelive765 5 років тому

    supercharging time!!! aero as well :)

  • @jongking50
    @jongking50 5 років тому

    More videos like this please

  • @hondafanaticonly
    @hondafanaticonly 5 років тому

    Why do you not have an s2k anymore I know you love the car ?

  • @ORMA1
    @ORMA1 5 років тому

    Push push when the corner ends...😂🌬

  • @AM-wt8qi
    @AM-wt8qi 5 років тому

    Quality driving

  • @Akirify
    @Akirify 5 років тому +4

    Looks like a very tight fit in the lotus

    • @ZentRose
      @ZentRose  5 років тому

      Yes it is hard to believe how small it is until you sit in one.

    • @paladain55
      @paladain55 5 років тому

      @@ZentRose How tall is too tall? i'm 6'3

    • @bobbyrios2k223
      @bobbyrios2k223 5 років тому +1

      Great video, when I was shopping for my s2000 one of the dealers had a lotus and I sat in it..it was so tight and I'm only 5"11. My leg was hitting the shifter too and I basically had to fall out of the car to get out haha

    • @BlatentlyFakeName
      @BlatentlyFakeName 4 роки тому

      I'd say 6'5 is about the max to fit in an Elise, but only if you are slim. I'm about 5'9 and my Elise only comes up to my waist :D
      They are a lot smaller and lower than they appear on screen. If you have ever stood next to a Le Mans car they are about the same size as that.

  • @AliasHSW
    @AliasHSW 5 років тому +1

    What front kit is that on the s2k?

  • @lancedolan
    @lancedolan 5 років тому

    Ahhh why did you end it there! You had just started your fastest lap and found a better line through that second turn! What was the final lap time?

    • @ZentRose
      @ZentRose  5 років тому +1

      We ran into traffic. The final lap was predicted 1:59.8 but the fastest lap shown in this video was 2:01.27.

    • @lancedolan
      @lancedolan 5 років тому

      @@ZentRose thanks dude! You're the only channel I actually look forward to content notifications from; keep the content coming! Especially about the Elise. You bought a C5 the same time I did, and then bought an Elise and C7 at the same time I've started looking into both, so I'm really living some dreams vicariously through you haha

  • @markanthonyhurston
    @markanthonyhurston 5 років тому

    Uhhh ... can someone please tell what happened here ...

  • @Zygrene
    @Zygrene 5 років тому +19

    Fun video. I'd like to battle your Elise sometime in my S2000!

    • @johnconnor7501
      @johnconnor7501 5 років тому +2

      Zygrene you two guys were one of my very first subscribers. Now both your channels got big and are talking to each other.

    • @m3lightweight
      @m3lightweight 5 років тому +1

      When are you coming out again?

    • @Zygrene
      @Zygrene 5 років тому +1

      @@m3lightweight great question lol. Hopefully in March!

    • @KentBrakewell
      @KentBrakewell 5 років тому +1

      My car @sparkyS2k wants to roll with y'all reeeel bad :)

    • @wowsdrawkcab
      @wowsdrawkcab 5 років тому

      Id like to try my hand with my 1980 race prepped (stock engine) 911SC. ;)

  • @TunerDesigns
    @TunerDesigns 5 років тому +2

    If you had aero, do you think you would've been faster than the s2k?

    • @ZentRose
      @ZentRose  5 років тому +1

      I feel like they were pretty evenly matched. I would change out my tires next to gain some time. I am currently running the cheapest 200tw tire (federal RSRR).

    • @richardbossman9875
      @richardbossman9875 5 років тому

      @@ZentRose take treadwear numbers with a grain of salt since it isn't really standardized between manufacturers. They are allowed to market/label them as being softer ( lower number ) then tested but not harder ( higher number ).

  • @TurboD16z6
    @TurboD16z6 5 років тому

    nice...

  • @bienmacron
    @bienmacron 5 років тому

    nicr both cars

  • @tscooter22
    @tscooter22 5 років тому

    Fun, fun! Zoom-Zoom! /points left

  • @OVER5TEER
    @OVER5TEER 5 років тому

    Car looks a little loose. You're managing it well (except your little moment there) but I wonder if you're fighting the car a little which is slowing you down.

    • @ZentRose
      @ZentRose  5 років тому

      The lotus had toe out in rear. It was very loose.

    • @OVER5TEER
      @OVER5TEER 5 років тому

      @@ZentRose yeah that would do it for sure

  • @dowroa
    @dowroa 5 років тому +4

    aww.. cut it short. Thanks!

    • @ZentRose
      @ZentRose  5 років тому

      yes we ran into traffic unfortunately

  • @dartecoates9262
    @dartecoates9262 5 років тому +2

    S2k has vtec, a Honda 6 speed manual transmission (they row like butter), aero/suspension work. It's hard for alot of cars to keep up with S2k's, especially at a power disadvantage.

  • @dronetrucker
    @dronetrucker 5 років тому

    I'ma k24 swap my RX-8, let me know if u want to Battle.

  • @pullthatwigback5969
    @pullthatwigback5969 5 років тому

    did you manage to get a 2 minute lap? solid work

    • @ZentRose
      @ZentRose  5 років тому

      2:01.27 was fastest lap in this video. Predicted 1:59.8 on the last lap but hit traffic. I will be taking it out again this weekend with a couple tweaks to the set up.

    • @pullthatwigback5969
      @pullthatwigback5969 5 років тому

      @@ZentRose where to? I assume you're running with speed ventures?

    • @ZentRose
      @ZentRose  5 років тому

      @@pullthatwigback5969 I'm going with ongrid running buttonwillow 13cw again this saturday.

    • @alexventura3843
      @alexventura3843 5 років тому

      Nice. Tires are the real limiting. My NA Elise with re71rs/NA Nitrons is mid 50s. No aero.

    • @pullthatwigback5969
      @pullthatwigback5969 5 років тому

      @@alexventura3843 the re71 is that much faster than the r888r?

  • @Doomreb
    @Doomreb 5 років тому +1

    that's the best looking hard top i've seen on S2000 what is it?

    • @kumingo
      @kumingo 5 років тому

      Doomreb oem top

    • @Doomreb
      @Doomreb 5 років тому +1

      Tyson Trani was thinking he made a mistake or something. i thought the oem one was the bulky one i've seen so much.

    • @kumingo
      @kumingo 5 років тому

      The bulky one is the Mugen type hardtop.

    • @Doomreb
      @Doomreb 5 років тому

      Tyson Tran makes sense, thanks

  • @commantrosexetlos4700
    @commantrosexetlos4700 5 років тому

    so you put that 100kg+ into lotus so s2000 has a chance..try put a 70kg driver and watch s2000 from the rear mirror but half of the turns are full throttle..you need to push

  • @rickbarajas6823
    @rickbarajas6823 5 років тому

    2zr-fe right?

  • @sharkparty1027
    @sharkparty1027 5 років тому

    *...sometimes....you just gotta give up on life...* - ZentRose

  • @123PSPs
    @123PSPs 4 роки тому

    I've always wanted an Elise or at least a 2zz swapped MR2s already have an s2000

    • @BlatentlyFakeName
      @BlatentlyFakeName 4 роки тому

      Buy an Elise, any Elise before prices go up even more. I recently bought a 1zz model (2006 Elise S) and it's more than quick enough for road use, quicker than the S2000. The most reliable version too :)

  • @MarkJCarruthers
    @MarkJCarruthers 5 років тому

    Open diff on that Lotus?

    • @ZentRose
      @ZentRose  5 років тому

      yes

    • @LC-qp7pr
      @LC-qp7pr 5 років тому

      Lotus doesn't think lsd helps. Same with McLaren. It's a British thing. Stiff upper lip and all that.

  • @delaticgaming2559
    @delaticgaming2559 5 років тому +1

    Why all car guys so BIG?!

  • @yang8168
    @yang8168 5 років тому +7

    Drop a k series in the lotus

    • @herberthans7015
      @herberthans7015 5 років тому

      you mean an LS or RB26

    • @vopall
      @vopall 5 років тому +4

      @@herberthans7015 K20 would better compliment the lightweight characteristics of the Lotus

    • @herberthans7015
      @herberthans7015 5 років тому

      you can overcome that if you run nitrous

    •  5 років тому +4

      @@herberthans7015.. def not a rb26.. and an LS would be way too much weight for the Lotus.. K20-24 would be perfect.. On the track, NA is a lot more fun and usable having that huge rev-range.. My k20 Mr2 revs out to almost 10K and is a monster on the track.. 280whp NA.. built head, 12:1 compression. Power numbers and boost are not everything on the track. Comes down to a good setup, a usable power-band, the right tires/suspension, good aero, and good power-to weight.

    • @herberthans7015
      @herberthans7015 5 років тому

      @ I stole matt farahs delorean and when I hit like ~95 miles on the highway I entered a loophole and the car was beamed to the future. the future was even shittier then the present so I came back and put the car back where it was parked like nothing happened. anyway what I learned from this is you should put a V12 in your MR2.

  • @bwest6275
    @bwest6275 5 років тому

    Honda vs. Toyota. Cool.

  • @onthediscovery6239
    @onthediscovery6239 5 років тому

    What track is this?

    • @AliasHSW
      @AliasHSW 5 років тому

      On the Discovery - Buttonwillow (in California) as stated in the title.

    • @onthediscovery6239
      @onthediscovery6239 5 років тому

      @@AliasHSW sorry im not from there. THank you for the response

    • @AliasHSW
      @AliasHSW 5 років тому

      You’re welcome 😊 it’s a track I want to try too. It would interesting to experience such a flat track relative to my home tracks: Laguna Seca and Thunderhill (Willows California), and Sonoma Raceway where they all have massive elevation changes.
      Where are you?

  • @MawtinLee
    @MawtinLee 5 років тому +2

    I still root for the Lotus!

    • @Dtt4
      @Dtt4 5 років тому

      Yea I was also rooting for him to close the gap.

  • @NormalMonkey
    @NormalMonkey 5 років тому

    can't believe those car does not have LSD from the price they cost, damn even my Civic Si got one.

    •  5 років тому

      Some of the models do have LSD.

  • @masternoob1879
    @masternoob1879 4 роки тому

    Wanna have the view of that s2000

  • @TheEducatedtroll
    @TheEducatedtroll 3 роки тому

    Bro you’re leg crushing the gear stick as you cornered gave me cancer but I appreciate the video

    • @ZentRose
      @ZentRose  3 роки тому +1

      I am a fat American and have trouble fitting in these tiny cars.

  • @grimsler3947
    @grimsler3947 5 років тому

    I feel like he's driving a gokart