Behringer K-2 Sound Demo (No Talking)
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- Behringer K2 Sound Demo showing different patches. Occasionally, Delay and Reverb are being added to show it in a usual studio setting.
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My opinion: Behringer K-2 is a nice synth but it's definitely not an (old filter type) MS-20. The character is there, but it lacks the nasal, round and dirty sound I like so much on the original MS-20. But to be fair, Korg didn't do a great job either with its MS-20 mini when it comes to these specific sounds.
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So as a owner of the original rev1 (35 chip) I had the opportunity to do my own side by side tests. I ended up selling the original for a few reasons: usability is WAY better with the K2 (midi implementation, note priority), I get to sit the K2 better in the mix with less effort and last but not least - for what I have got for the MS20 I bought a Behringer Neutron, a Model D, a PRO 1 including a 3 device wooden rack stand and still have money left for a Behringer Crave once its available.
thanks for your comment - I agree that the price being paid for a vintage model for most users would not justify the difference. If you're a purist and want THAT sound, the K-2 would only be a compromise though. That being said, it's a compromise I can live with. Also I guess that the prices for the vintage models will continue to fall as it was the case already when Korg released their MS-20 versions.
And you're a proof that more and more people sell their vintage versions for exactly your reasons.
I'll be there when the prices have fallen enough ;)
You bought all of those: which one is your favorite?
@@clarkharrell2227 Hi Clark, tough question. Currently the K2 but the Model D is used in like every single project. The Neutron still amazes me every time I am working on new patches. Honestly, they complement each other fairly well given they all are monosynths. I can not comment on the Pro1 as of now since I have spent way to less time on it to judge, will update after my current project is done and I have time to dig deeper into the Pro1.
@sbmphr 100% agree. I am actually making music with it so apart from sound and functionality - maintenance, parts availability and most important how it integrates in my workflow are how I choose my synths. Cheers mate!
@@limbicbits Thanks for your kind reply. You are absolutely right, the K2 is somewhat of a compromise soundwise but not as big as one might expect. I found the difference more obvious when they released a Rev2 with the LM13600 chip - at least I failed way less in blindtests compared to K2 vs MS20 Rev1. Great upload and super programing on the K2 by the way!
Whether it’s on par with the original isn’t that important to me. It’s got great character and unique features. It’s got attitude and doesn’t sound so fabricated like maybe the ‘metalizer’ did in the Arturia Minibrute. Those filters are worth the price of admission alone and having played the Korg rerelease, I really think Behringer’s knock off sounds better. It’s also built better.
I can totally agree on that.
spot on. these are modern machines with a serious nod to the past. just to get the sound character right at that price is a small miracle to me. give all your green to ulli b. so he continues his quest.
Fabricated? Lol. The metalizer is an analog function, all synthesis is ‘fabricated’, not sure what you’re getting at?
Excellent demonstration. Thanking for actually playing the keys on the MID keyboard. A lot of other demonstrators do not do this enough.
I love analogue synths!!
I love the range you showed in this.
Just wanted to say thanks so much, as this was one of the two videos that made me choose the k2 over other similarly priced synths available here in Bogotá. Don't regret it a second either, as this is the most fun i've had with a modern producton synth ever! (For reference modern synths i've owned are the behringer poly-d, ms-1, ik uno, korg volcá everything, monologue, minilogue, Pioneer as-1, and a few others.)
excellent! ¡me alegro que ha sido de ayuda!
@@limbicbits claro! tienes un favorito de los nuevos behringers? yo he tenido varios pero el k-2 sigue ganando. tambien quiero comprar el monopoly porque mi primer synth de todas era un polysix.
@@GoldenDeathMusic Para mi, el Pro-1 es el sinte que hasta ahora más me ha convencido. Me gustaba mucho el K-2 pero al final lo vendí. Como sinte está bastante bien pero como recreación del MS-20 no me había convencido del todo.
El Crave también tiene un sonido espectacular y más considerando su precio.
El MonoPoly me ha gustado mucho pero era demasiado grande para mi estudio. Si lo hubiera en formato modulo creo que me lo hubiera quedado.
A ver cuàndo Behringer se anima a lanzar un SEM-Clone. Esto sí me gustaría ver aún.
@@limbicbits gracias por la respusta tan detallada! Yo tampoco soy super fan del ms-20 pero cambie de pais a colombia hace unos meses y tenia la opcion entre el k2, el wasp, o un jx-di. En fin, vi a tu video y hizo la decision facil. Y hey...siempre es posible eso del SEM! Si alguno me habia dicho antes que Behringer iba a sacar una copia del Wasp no lo habria creido.
You may have just made me decide this over the Pro 1.
My opinion: Behringer K-2 is a nice synth but it's definitely not an (old filter type) MS-20. The character is there, but it lacks the nasal, round and dirty sound I like so much on the original MS-20. But to be fair, Korg didn't do a great job either with its MS-20 mini when it comes to these specific sounds.
the mini is very close, i have the mini - i have had an OG for 20 years too ;-)
Maybe you’ve had a rev 2 model? During these years I was lucky to play on a frequent base different MS20s (all with the older filter model). Neither the mini nor the K-2 manage to get this gritty rough filter overdriven Sound completely right. Also ring mod seemed to be rounder on the original MS20. But again, K2 isn’t a bad synth at all.
@@limbicbits mk1 mate :-) mk2 is very soft in comparison, i am an old man and know my ms20, the ESP and RM are beefier on the OG no doubt and no argument - the rest is not really for discussion but that is just my opinion
@@ogasi1798 what is your opinion of the K-2 then?
@@bittergums32 personally i LIKE IT ! it is a different flavour yes. Haven't played it yet though :-( soon
Used to own an original MS-20 that i used a lot in the 80s. This is the first demo i hear from this clone and it sounds remarkably familiar! Cool. On the original you could patch the voltage from the modulation wheel to the VCO's which gave a much larger bend range than without the patch. I'm curious to how the K2 operates in that respect.
I just ordered one of these today. I can't wait to get it! Among other synthesizers that I have, I also have a Behringer Deep Mind 12, and a Model D. This will be my third Behringer synth! Among my other synths, I have a Novation Mini Nova, A Yamaha DX7, and an Ensoniq SQ1+
that K2 should fit quite well into your existing setup
Did you end up getting along with it? I have Dm12, Neutron and MS-1 and currently trying to decide whether to get a K-2 or save up more for the 2600.
I really love the way this thing overdrives at 7:40 😈😦😛
I was stunned in the music shop by the sound of this synthesizer... It has a sinister vibe to it... Really interesting feel.
I tried the Waldorf Quantum and didn't feel anything at all...
welcome to waldorf lol
6:16 Enrico Sangiuliano's SYMBIOSIS!
Behringer: Thissss ssssounds vvvvvery clonable -- oh, wait!
thank you, - probably the most revealing demo i've seen..
~ as someone who has been buying synths since the mid-80s, i really couldn't decide whether this would bring anything different to my setup, - i never owned the original, - but after watching the Starsky comparison video and this one, i believe it will be a fine addition...
much appreciated.
It’s a great synth but it still lacks some of the rough grittyness the old MS20 is famous for. But better than the MS20 mini and more affordable
Really happy with it, great little synthesizer in its own right..
Thanks again for the revealing content of the video.
Very nice sounds, surprisingly fine synth :)
this devide is so god damm amazing i createt a hole psytrance track out off it
Do you mind to share the track? Sounds interesting
Damn this sounds so good. Great demo!!!
Lovely layout! Super alluring!
I like this one more than the Pro-1. It sounds so deep and crispy. Very very very appealing.
I have the model D and the Neutron....and the Poly D and Deep Mind 12........I think next for me is the Wasp
Fantastic sound design, love this
3:10 Gary numan cars 😂
I want. MB33 needs this as a partner.
I’ve only used the iOS standalone and gadget MS-20 app so far, hoping to get the HW eventually.. I love it for crunchy and distorted sounds, nothing else sounds like it. I think it and Odyssey have the most distinct sound signatures of all of Behringer's clones
Yes, the K-2 is fantastic. Still not an MS-20 but the closest clone out there so far (apart from the Korg MS-20 FS)
@@limbicbits which are your favorites from the behringer desktop synths?
@@boimesa8190 Pro One is my favorite. K-2 is also great but I'm quite picky when it comes to an MS-20 recreation. And here, the MS20 FS wins
@@limbicbits Sick! and third place? 😉
@@boimesa8190 In that concrete format I'd tend to say "the cat". Including other formats, the S-100 series is quite nice, too and the crave as a small budget allrounder is fantastic
Do the LOW CUT FREQ and HIGH CUT FREQ knobs are looser than the rest and feels less smooth on the touch? I returned one for that reason and the replacement K-2 also has the same knobs.
Haven’t noticed that on my unit. Strange
@@limbicbits Thanks for the reply. I found it strange as well. Then my friend visited the store where I ordered it from and checked the other K-2 units. Same thing. It does not affect the functionality though..
Sounds rad 😻
If korg couldn't match their own original ms 20, when making that mini... Why blame behringer then. Still sounds great. Maybe the resonance is not as on the original ms 20.
absolutely. I like the Behringer take better. But we'll see what Korg will introduce at NAMM 2020. There are some rumours around about rerelaunching the MS20.
Danke! Klingt super und ist das MS-20 ähnlich genug, IMO. Und viel billiger.
Behringer should make one intermodular analogue hardware dream synth!!Hear me Behringer!
Hi everyone. I have just purchased the K2, what a lovely synth! Can anybody help me figure out on how to patch up the K2 properly so that it reacts to mod wheel action on my controller keyboard and creates the classic "vibrato" effect when turning the mod wheel up. I cannot seem to get the patching procedure right to have this work. Any advice is much appreciated by me! Also have any of you experienced that the Filer 1 setting on the K2 (when a key is pressed on the keyboard controller) brings up an audible level of noise even though all controls are turned all the way down and the synth is supposed to make no sound at all? Or is this noise part of the Filter 1 design by default and the noise is supposed to be there. BTW Filter 2 setting is perfectly quiet. Thank you guys! Tom
In regards of the filter, yes, the 35 filter (the old one) is noisier. Or to put it in other words: you can hear the synth is breathing and full of life ;).
Best sounding clone since the Moog d clone . Can’t wait for their twenty six hundred! Peace Christo🎶👽🐕🛸☮️
Greats sounds. How is the tuning on this synth? I have seen some complaints claiming that either the scaling is off or it doesn’t stay in tune for more than 5 minutes. Any truth to these complaints?
At least it wasn’t the case with my unit.
I have recently bought a Waldorf Blofeld. It's my first synthetizer. I'm thinking about complementing with one of the Behringer family. What do you recommend me? Thanks, in advance.
It really depends on what you're aiming for. From Behringer's line, only Pro-1 for me has been a keeper. Here's why:
1. I've got some kind of a hate love relationship with Moog (style) synths. I love them in the beginning but can't stand the sound after two weeks. Happened to me with Prodigy, Mother 32, Grandmother, Behringer D and with the SE-02.
2. The K2 didn't convince me too much as an MS20-clone but it's a cool synth anyways. Go for it if you want to get a grittier analogue synth.
3. WASP Deluxe until now is B's synth that I liked the least.
4. TD-3 is cool but it's that - as a clone limited to a small range of sounds.
5. Pro-1 is a good clone and a fantastic synth on its own. But I've always liked the sequential sound character.
6. Crave - for the money being asked a no brainer. I don't like the sequencer too much though.
So as you see - it's a question of taste. You might come to a completely different conclusion. If you like, check out my channel for more videos.
@@limbicbits Where on this list would you put the 2600? If I remember correctly you don’t like the Arp sound too much. I’m in the market now for something like 2600 or MS-20 mini/K-2, something to experiment with, patch some cables, make some techno noise. Didn’t decide yet, but if I lean towards the Ms-20 sound, I’ll probably buy Behringer, not Korg. I’m really tempted by the Barp 2600, it looks like a blip bloop heaven.. K-2 is probably not that bad in that department either.
@@LukezyM You're right - I'm not a big fan of the Arp Sound but that really doesn't matter. From what you've described, the 2600 could be a perfect synth for you. The 2600 is able to produce great bass tones, experimental sounds, drones, leads and so much more. Plus, it's way more flexible than the MS-20, although the latter is also great for Techno.
If I would have to make a decision (that's not based on my personal preferences). I'd recommend the 2600 over the K-2. Or to put it in other words: Both can complement each other quite well. But I'd go for a 2600 before getting a K2.
@@limbicbits Thank you, for always taking time to reply. 👍
Hey Chat... I need help. New to this and bought the K2 for some fun. BUT... not sure how to rig it as only have a usb midi keyboard (akai mpk mini) Limbic how is yours hooked up?
I’m in the same boat
I’ve connected it with a computer in between. If you want to connect it directly to your mpkmini you’d need an active usb Converter. But to be honest I’d rather sell the mpkmini and buy a keystep instead. You could connect it directly via midi then and even use the cv out as additional control voltage. Plus, you get a sequencer
Hi how do you record audio to a DAW? Can you do it by just plugging it into an USB port as a Midi device?
Directly from the Audio Out to the interface. USB is for MIDI Data, only
@@limbicbits thx
How's its' stability? I'm looking at getting all of the Behringer modules, but the last time I dealt seriously with a true analog synth was back in the 80's. Our high school offered a class in electronic music and we had an old EML 101 synth that was so unstable, you could create a Jupiter-8 brass lead, write down the settings, come back to it a half hour later, plug those settings back in, and it would be a harpsichord. I suspect the true analog synths nowadays are infinitely more stable.
lol. the EML is quite unstable, even after warming up. No worries. The K2- remains stable for quite a while unless you won't expose it to a massive change in temperature or humidity. Don't expect the sound to be 100% the same the next day, though, if you have a lot of modulation etc. going on. But that's with almost ever analog gear the same which is not digitally controlled.
ok, no talking, but no additional processing thru delays, reverbs, whatevers too?
at least not on this channel. But most of the demo videos here show the equipment dry and with effects. If you like to check it out with only the raw untreated sound, there are fortunately plenty of alternative videos out there. But that's just not my concept.
Hey , I wanted to buy an analog synth in the price range of the Behringer ones, but I wanted something polyphonic, I love the sound of this synth, but can this play chords, or just one note at a time. I am thinking on buying the behringer odyssey, but I’m doing my research
Dirk Knight I’ve been doing my research, and I’ve come across the Behringer neutron, and the 2 note polyphonic is really all I think I need to do synth bass, arpeggios, and those “pads”, what do you think about that
Dirk Knight I’ve been doing my research, and I’ve come across the Behringer neutron, and the 2 note polyphonic is really all I think I need to do synth bass, arpeggios, and those “pads”, what do you think about that
if im not too late, id say go with the minilogue from Korg :)
I know I've missed the boat on this one, but for anyone else asking the same question then if you want polyphony, Behringers DeepMind 6 is the droid you are looking for. It's a little more costly than the mono synth modules but you can pick one up for under 400 UK pounds second hand.
Great demo!
Cheers!
wow estoy por comprarme uno K2 soy fan del MS20 y parece ser un excelente clon MUY BUEN VIDEO COLEGA SALUDOS...
Gracias! En mi opinion, el K2 es el clon más cercano al sonido de la versión original, aparte del Korg MS20 FS. Mejor incluso que el propio MS-20 mini.
Is the K-2 like the ms-20 or does it use regular volt per octave? I mean, Can it be patched together w/ neutron, model d and other euro rack?
It’s hertz / v so they’re not compatible without additional modules. Of course you can use it in an eurorack environment for everything else but tonal information
Limbic Bits that’s kinda lame. They really should have made it volts/oct
Theo Void - I agree, if it was V/oct I’d have sold my MS20 Mini and bought a K2.
@@leftmono1016@theo void You could add a Disting MK4 to your system (which is a great module in so many ways) and you'll get a great converter plus over 80 other functions such as delay, reverb, rectifier, LFOs, OSC etc. www.thomann.de/gb/expert_sleepers_disting_mk4.htm?offid=1&affid=397
Or use a keystep/beatstep pro.
Just bought mine i seriously cant wait till it comes.. getting major case of trigger finger! lol could you please tell me: with the pink and white noise will i be able to patch them out into something else like to my neutrons mult or osc?
Everything that can be found on the patch matrix can be connected to external gear and vice versa . So yes, that’s possible
@@limbicbits thanks for the reply cant wait till it comes so excited!
Hi Limbic Bits and every one here! Why did you use the phones output and not the regular one? thx
Pure pragmatism - the mono signal is routed out stereo (although of course still being mono). The recorded data was easier to handle for me, later.
Do you thiink this is just an ms20 mini in different enclosure?
I don't think so. But in my opinion, the K-2 is much closer to the MS-20 mini than it is to the original MS-20 (1st version). As just for the sound alone and built quality, I'd choose K-2 over the MS-20 mini. As clone, both units couldn't convince me completely.
@@limbicbits Is the MS-20 mini build quality lacking? I’m thinking which one to buy.
@@LukezyM To be honest, I found the MS20 mini's build quality worse than what Behringer offers at a lower price. Plus, the K2 is closer to the original MS-20 Sound if that matters. I haven't tried the MS20 FS Versions from Korg, though.
Nice sounds :)
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Sick!
This demo is about a 1/4 of the tones possible.
Thanks! I'd even say it can do way more than what I've displayed in this video. But then - isn't that sonic flexibility the purpose of almost every synth?
i bet if you put a neutron trough an ms20 type eurorack filter you would pretty much get the same as k2?? , it always seem at the oscillator and envelop stages that the behringer clones ar brighter and less snappy ? , model d came closest to the original i think
That would be a nice experiment. Don't know the Neutron, though
Totally badass
I'm always torn on this one, in a void it a pretty nice sounding synth for price point, but I really don't think the filter sounds like or as good as a MS-20.
It's the best hardware clone so far but I have to agree. The original MS-20 filter is quite a bit dirtier / rougher.
@@limbicbits Do you think you can approach the og sound more with the addition of overdrive / distortion pedals ? Cheers
I have long wanted to ask you. Please tell me, if possible, all these synthesizers that you review, you don't buy them for yourself, do you? Thank you.
I mean, that could I get some group of synth for review, as you did? Sorry😏
Hi, Some of them are bought but as you've assumed, I don't buy most of them. They're loaners that have to be returned to the companies after the demo video. In any case, I wouldn't have the space to host all of them, either. Plus, as a musician, it always makes me kind of nervous having too much stuff around me. I rather focus on a smaller selection that works fine for me.
@@limbicbitsHow did you manage to organize it. After all, if I write to a company or an intermediary that I will do reviews, and even want money for this, they will send me where to go😂? Probably, first you need to get a certain number of subscribers?
@@user-sx2iw2hq3l Well,I guess receiving money for a review would be kind of pointless as companies would like to influence the outcome of the review. In this case, at least you need to make it transparent for your viewers. But to be honest, at this point we're talking about several thousands of followers. My channel is way too small that I could be in that situation.
Plus, I'm still focussing only on demo videos and tutorials. All equipment based questions my viewers ask will be replied based upon my personal experiences. And as I'm following certain styles in my music, I'd for example not giving advice on the best synths for prog rock. As it's simply not my genre.
Coming back to your other question, here are my thoughts and recommendations:
- Never build up a channel only for the purpose of making money with it
- Ask other musician friends if they would borrow you a synth for a couple of weeks
- Focus on something, you really like and you don't absolutely suck at
- Be there for your community
- It's just equipment. Don't waste your time over endless discussions just because someone doesn't share your opinion
- Get in touch directly with companies and offer them something particular. In my case, it's my knowledge as sound designer and synth nerd. Other channels have an enormous reach or do great tutorials for free (or in exchange of a synth). After all, it's business when getting in touch with a company.
- Especially at the beginning: Don't shy away from doing something for free to expand your contact list but also don't sell out.
On the other hand, I'm yet not even over 10k subscribers, so who am I giving advice ;)?
Very nice
Good demo, does it have an arp? Thanks.
Thanks! No arp on the K-2 but most midi controllers should have an arp on board.
Thx
When is the flagship going to be released?
I'm not sure whether or not Behringer just created that rumor to attract attention. Would be nice to see a polyphonic K50/K2 flagship
K2 is a good synth by itself, but doesn't sound as MS20, just a nice warm fat analog monosynth that resembles MS20.
11:00 🖤
Благодарю.
sounds like it needs to go through some tubes to fatten it up a bit
I had MS-20M (superior quality sound, desktop limited edition). I'm listening to this and I cannot hear any sub bass on A7X + Adam Audio Sub. Can you open a spectrum analyser and tell me? I cannot hear anything lower than 80-90 Hz, even you have a bass patch playing. Very strange, this is second video I watch and I have same feelings here.
Bass was definitely there, but I’ll check as soon as I put my setup back together. Maybe sth got lost in the yt-compression ?
@@limbicbits other music on youtube has bass...if u program simple riser it should shake your room around 40 to 90 hz
It sounds more like moog at some parts, but not in a good way...even minitaur would kill it with its bass
Lukas Satin watch the starsky carr video if you need to see its fundamental and year bass, he has a scope on all the time, it goes low so maybe your sub has a hi-pass set to 80Hz hehehe
@@ogasi1798 Studio subwoofer for 700 USD does not have any hi pass. Please think about what you wrote. I just compared to MS-20M and it is missing bass and the filter sounds more like American Moog in some positions, which is verified by Rob Papen UA-cam video here with K-2 and MS-20 comparison. So it is not just my opinion. Where is Starsky Carr video? I'm talking about this video. You seem a bit stupid mate.
Some boards or Canada(ish) riffs there ? I know this is commented everywhere lol 😝
Everything sounds like boards of canada
My first thought haha
Sounds good for what it is but it just doesn’t sound quite like an MS-20 to me.
It goes into the right direction but I agree regarding that typical sound. With the Pro-1, Behringer did quite a good job, though
Limbic Bits Agreed. The Odyssey sounds very close as well. I had a feeling this might miss the mark. The MS20 is just something else. Nothing else like it.
@@HotStrange I've to try the odyssey one day. Do you know if Korg did a good job with their version? I've owned it and didn't like its sound at all. So maybe I'm just allergic to the Arp sound.
Thicc
Say please about your connection of these setup!;)
Nice and useful video by the way:)
Thanks and sure: the signal went directly into a H4n field recorder (24 bit). Later I’ve added a bit delay and vintage reverb using Valhalla dsp plugins
@@limbicbits and what about the midi signal?)
@@limbicbits also, what about tuning and calibrating process?)
The keystep is connected to Ableton and the midi signal rerouted to the usb connection of the k2. Other ways would be possible as well of course. No tuning or calibration needed
Limbic Bits hey I'm back, midi pitch bend or mod wheel work?
buen clon
Imo it's the closest one out there but yet not 100 %
i cant make my god dam mind up this or pro 1 to partner my minibrite 2
Pro1 I’d say
Unless you specifically want the MS-20 type of sound and considering you only have 2 synths, you better pick the most versatile: Pro 1.
Korg collection(vst) is more simillar and near to Ms20! Take a listen! I think they did better job than ms20 mini or k2!
I know the collection and disagree. Both synths are way closer to the original (especially the older version). The vst version is just a nice sounding vst camouflaged as MS20. Strangely though I found the iPad version pretty decent and much better than the vst clone
You better do a blind test if you have time in the future!let me see how many ppl realize!
why not both?
cheesy