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OT finish in Duke-Penn State NCAA lacrosse semifinals
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- Опубліковано 26 тра 2023
- Duke and Penn State men's lacrosse went to overtime in the first semifinal game from the 2023 NCAA men's lacrosse tournament.
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How can the ref behind the player make that call when he could not see it? The other ref had the perfect view to see his foot on the crease. Crease violation needs to be reviewable - so Duke wins with a goal that was not a goal
atleast you know what your talking about thank you.
the other ref's view was blocked by a duke helmet, but agree, the ref behind the player could not see anything and threw up the goal sign and the other ref couldn't stop it/didnt know better
Ref was so adamant that it was a good goal too. Such a shame. Will not be seeing that official anytime soon.
Because the ref behind saw the push towards the crease by the defender. Under the NCAA Men's Lacrosse rules that started in the 2023 season, this means the goal is good.
That ref wanted the MVP award.
I was there, with no allegiance to either team. It is a shame that such a terrific game was decided on a blown call. Agonizing loss for Penn State and a tainted win for Duke. The NCAA needs to change the video review rule and not give important future games to these officials.
it was the right fucking call dude. . .There was NO foul or anything. . . . Wish you people would STOP blaming the refs over every single little damn thing.
I was there and had a great view the Duke player was push he was trying to jump out to shout but was forced to jump forward then when he tried to fade out there was a guy in the way
@@jamedlock83 Dude. He stepped in the crease. In regular time, that goal is taken back. Every, single, time. It was absolutely not the right call, and the rule needs to be changed.
Chill out bro, you're acting you're one of the refs who fucked up 😂😂
Forever a game that seniors will remember being screwed over
Crease violation should be reviewable, especially in the tournament
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There was NONE. . .
@@jamedlock83 Dude you're blind. He stepped in
@@jamedlock83 only if you didnt watch it. The freeze frame shows hit foot over the line. It's not even close.
im blind im deaf i wanna be a ref
Go get certified then
Lot harder than it looks
That’s my fav chant
As a Rutgers fan we lost last year in the final 4 and supposed to hate PSU no matter what but in hoops we know what it's like in this situation. Fine the refs AFTER you FIRE them.
I'm a Penn State fan I appreciate that. Rutgers is garbage though.
@@averagebloke4474 Can't wait to beat y'all by 40 each game in the next 2 years in hoops. Check Rivals
@@kdpowers lmao typical Rutgers fan always bringing up other sports... What about football? we own you in football you shouldn't even be on the same field as us definitely shouldn't be in the Big Ten that's for sure. Lacrosse you're not bad in I'll give you that, but your definitely not great Penn State still beat Rutgers this year in that and your not a top team (I know Rutgers fana are delusional so I can't give you compliment without it going to your head too much). In another other sport we own you in, You don't even have an ice hockey program at all let alone at the level of Penn State's, that's because you don't have a really athletic program and Rutgers is just a wannabe shit hole. Rutgers is just a wannabe school that's all you ever will be. Keep talking shit man. That's all you guys do.
Travesty that this game is forever tainted because the refs were too incompetent. How do you have not 1 but 2 officials staring right at Leadmon as he clearly steps into the crease. Even better, it’s 2023 and there’s still no review on goals like this. Ncaa should be ashamed of themselves.
How did the ref not see it. He was hesitant before the back end ref came over. He is clearly staring hard at the play and missed that call.
How tf is h there no replay
Ref was staring at it. They always have the bottom official on the goal. Learn the game.
Man blind zebra season is big this year 😮
Penn State got screwed
Look at the entire game and how it was whistled. Out of 18 games Duke played this season, this was the only game where Duke wasn't awarded a man-up opportunity...really?
Sign of times. We all see the wrong but don't have the integrity to make the true call.
I literally thought there was review in college lacrosse. All these plays should be able to be reviewed. That's ridiculous Penn State got screwed
There is, but this isn't a reviewable play.
I wanted Duke to win and I’m annoyed that the game ended this way. First they need to get technology in stadium that will alert the ref when a player is in the crease they should have refs in the booth that is dedicated to just watching and officiating crease violations. All plays OT goals and plays in the last minutes of the quarters should be reviewable. Coaches should also get a challenge flag. You can’t blame the refs tho there is a shadow over is foot and is unseeable from the refs point of view. Blame the NCAA for the no review don’t blame the refs they officiated a good game and got all the other crease violations during the game. Unlucky for all penn state fans, as a Duke fan I have mixed emotions but go Duke.
I can guarantee crease violation will be review able next year. Big moment for ncaa lacrosse
As a ref my self I’m disappointed how the ref in the far end made the call even though it wasn’t him who to call it. Sadly for Penn State hopefully next year
It's a travesty that in 2023 the rules haven't caught up with technology yet. We have HD video of his foot in the crease, the refs have access to it.. and yet it's not reviewable. Shame on the NCAA. You really have to feel for Penn State, who obviously got robbed. But you also gotta feel for Duke, the rightful #1, and a team that is clearly good enough to win and yet walks away with a tainted one. You know they don't want to win this way... it's a shame all around unfortunately.
Yes I do agree with all who believe this should have been reviewed! I've been an avid lacrosse follower since my participation in a junior HS summer league back in the mid to late '80s and the crease violation has always been up for debate as to what a violation is and what isn't (it's one of sports most inconsistent)! But if you watch this video closely when they're showing it in slow motion, I don't think it had anything to do with his foot touching the crease line! Because preceding that it's clearly evident that Leadmon was being shoved in the back before he was attempting his shot and before his foot came close to the line! I believe it wasn't called because the ref behind saw the shove and believed that created the momentum that caused the crease violation! Might sound a little crazy! But if he's not shoved he'd have been able to go airborne sooner with his shot! And I don't think anybody looked at that aspect because everyone was so quick to judge and be pissed off right away! Yes it should have been reviewed and yes they certainly need slow motion review but I believe it wasn't called because of the shove in the back! To all those who judge my comment nuts ill give u a heads up to rewatch the video again because the push in the back is obviously visible and it precedes Leadmon's shot attempt and causes added forward momentum! Had he not been in the process of being pushed, his foot doesn't hit the line! Criticize me all you want, but when you automatically assume what you think is right, you'll always miss a possible angle that argues your assumption JS
Penn State got Burnt big time
Whatever happened to integrity? Tennis players can overrule refs to concede points to opponents. Why wouldn’t Duke’s coach go to the refs and say “foot was clearly on the crease. Let’s continue overtime and win the right way”. I have no horse in this race. Just wanted to see an exciting fair game. This takes even the excitement out of it. Just like when Colorado College won a football national championship many years ago when the refs messed up and gave them 5 downs. Games should not be decided by refs. What a shame
Tennis players can't overrule the chair ump to concede points to opponents. Only the umpire can award points.
Same deal in lacrosse. It doesn't matter if Duke's coach could go to the refs and said that Duke got an unfair goal. Refs already ruled goal and that's that, since unfortunately, there is no replay in lacrosse for that particular situation.
@@clipcoug1139 I’m not 100% sure on those details, but I’ve seen a few cases in tennis. One in particular that I can remember is Carlos Alcaraz hitting the ball on a drop shot after it had bounced twice. The ref called it good, but Alcaraz said it wasn’t and the ref said Alcaraz had conceded the point, and awarded it to the other player.
@@clipcoug1139 actually, I just looked it up. There are at least two instances where Alcaraz had conceded points. And the example I gave was incorrect. It was his opponent who was returning Alcaraz’s drop shot. The ref ruled it had bounced twice. Alcaraz said it didn’t and the ref called for replaying the point.
@@clipcoug1139 Tennis players can 100% concede points to opponents, and it has happened on numerous occasions. Danowski should've brought the team back and gotten the game going again after the clear crease violation, but I understand the refs left the field as you said. Just a shame a game like this ended in such a fashion. At least the other semifinal delivered similar quality with no obvious missed calls.
@@matthieup.4610: Refs said game over and left. Danowski can't do anything about the ref's poor call
Bad call, but on the flip side, it also looked like he was pushed into the box. At the very least, Duke should have been up a man.
You can push them in though. The rule is any crease violation at all, doesn't matter if you are pushed in, as long as the push was legal and either with 2 hands together or on the hips its fine
@@beastpatriots9569 you can push into the crease from the side or front only, not from behind. That's a penalty "Push in the back with possession" which is a 30 sec man down
@@191Pogo Problem is, the refs will never call it unless it is a clear push. Most likely they won't notice or care because the attackman initiated contact by trying to lean back
Sorry St. Fans horrible missed call. As a BFLO Sabres fan I know your pain we got beat in the Stanley cup on the same missed call. Our play was reviewable but wasn't reviewed since they already brought the cup on the ice. It's so unfortunate that amazing games could be decided by unfortunate mistakes by the refs. Refs are human their not to blame, the lack of replay in such a huge moment is what's at fault.
What about the disallowed Duke goal earlier in the game where the player was not in the crease?
So you’re saying crease violation should be reviewable?
@@JohnSmith-ph7dk Yes, they should. Just like the stupidity in the NFL. Everything should be reviewable. No exceptions.
Duke player was definitely in the crease on both occasions
But he was literally in the crease in that disallowed goal. Look it up. It’s pretty clear cut.
Get out of here with those facts and logic!
That wasn’t a goal those refs are so blind congratulations refs for helping duke in that game but at least they lost in the championship
His foot was on the line but so what? He beat his defender and made a hell of a shot.
He was in the crease. That's the problem. Hell of a play or not, should have been reviewed.
@@beastpatriots9569 nah. Reviews suck. It was close enough.
@@OaksArmorial Reviews stop arguments like this from happening, of course they aren't perfect, but reviews are definitely needed and useful.
@@beastpatriots9569 no thanks
@@OaksArmorial Your opinion is noted, but I honestly don't care
fact is that PSU had no recourse. a shame.
fix the replay rules, someone put it perfectly. Not a good way to win or lose
I know the call was the primary issue.
For me, the whole being able to dive into the crease with another interior crease is just ridiculous.
I’m sure I’m in the minority here. But the game has changed just a bit too much for my liking. That’s all I’m gonna say.
this is ridiculous, psu was screwed over
Penn State got hosed. Tough call to make
It's a clean goal. Would have been a push in the back with possession by #2 if they had not allowed the goal. You cannot push from behind into the crease. Penn State would have gone man down and duke most likely scores during the 30 sec period. Refs opted to allow the goal rather than blow the whistle.
I think by rule, if you're in the crease before the ball goes behind the goal line, refs can't allow a goal. It doesn't matter if you were pushed in illegally or not.
@@clipcoug1139 not if the cause for the crease violation was an illegal push. The penalty for the push should come before the crease violation even happens. At a bare minimum, if the goal wasn't allowed then Duke should be man up
@@191Pogo: Yes the penalty of the push comes before the crease violation happens and I think under the circumstance of the game, it would be a delayed penalty and play continues. Duke was still in the crease when the shot went in so it can't be a goal (if he was out of the crease, the goal counts). Play should stop once the ball went in the net and Duke should of had the man advantage.
Section 21 d. 2 of the NCAA LAX rule book says
2. Illegal defensive contact (when a foul has been called), shall result in the goal being allowed, provided the ball enters the goal before contact with
the crease, goalkeeper or the goal. If the penalty called is assessed as a technical foul, the foul shall be wiped out by the goal. If the penalty is a personal foul, the defensive player shall be assessed penalty time.
Ball didn't enter the goal before Leadmon entered the crease as it was still in Leadmon's stick so it's shouldn't count, technical foul, 30 seconds up a man.
@@clipcoug1139 yes that's fair, and honestly that's what should have happened. But there is too much discourse about the goal, when it's likely that Duke scores on the advantage and the end result is the same. The same people mad about the crease violation will whine if the push does end up getting called
@@191Pogo I edited my last post that included the NCAA LAX rule book that was updated before the season started. I agree if Duke had an advantage instead of the goal, they would have scored anyways and that those people would still be whining about the push getting called.
Even though the refs made a horrible call on something they should have seen live and could have discussed it a little more before bolting for the locker room, I feel a little bad for them, because if the NCAA would have allowed replay for this exact situation, the refs could and should have easily corrected their mistake
I'm no lacrosse fan but it's 2023, and you can't review that? Terrible.
CREASE
Soooo absurd!!! “The refs run off the field immediately.” He lunged into the crease!! 👎👎👎
BRUTAL
In real time you can not see that
Rip off. Officials need to get better. The faceoff did not look clean
Penn State got robbed, very disappointing I thought the refs could call penalties
Go Duke!!
Go Duke! Haters gonna hate. PSU fans crying into their Bud Light tonight
Everyone can see that he stepped in. Have fun with your tainted win bud.
you smile like a weirdo
#1 ball hogged for a whole minute then did a bs move to win the game that shouldn’t have won the game… bruhhhh
Watching this video I don’t see anything conclusive and this is slow motion
Shame on the refs
Cheating
Shot went in before he hit the ground, didn’t land in the goal mouth. It counts
Edit: after rewatching it a couple times, I admit that it’s not as cut and dry as I originally thought. In that context, it should definitely be reviewable cause that definitely looks like his foot was on the line from another angle
his foot is in the crease bub
I can kinda see it if I slow the footage down after the fact but real time it’s impossible to tell
Not really. As soon as the play happened I said his foot was on the line. The slow motion review confirmed it. It should be reviewable
@@laxmonkey4283 it’s not impossible to tell, every Penn State playing saw and called it out in real time lol, just bad reffing in Duke’s favor yet again
@@laxmonkey4283 not impossible at all when the replay literally shows the ref staring at Leadmon diving. Unbelievable that people like you are trying to justify this.
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