A massive advantage to One Page Rules (aside from being freakin' free) is that you don't have to hunt around several different books to keep up with the rules for your army. Painted up, those minis look bostin'. This was a great, positive video.
Using a limited palette to paint these minis was an improvement as well. You can use a CMYK palette expander like TriaDart II, taking this approach to the next level. It's essentially a parametric color synthesizer. You can use it with any kind of conventional palette, wet palette, and all your airbrushes.
Turned my back on GW a few years ago and moved into historicals and some sci-fi fleet battle and gang war type games. I get mini's from so many manufacturers now and there are so many rulesets out there to choose from it's so much more enjoyable and a damn sight cheaper than GW as well.
I remember getting into battlefleet gothic and then it going the way of the dodo with GW after selling of my collection I discovered Full Thrust from GZG. When you get the original rules as a free download plus with plenty of groups and websites updating the rules all the time which, whilst GZG do manufacture their own pretty damn good mini's, were originally designed so you could develop stats and use any mini's you want and is still probably one of if not the spaceship battle games out there even though it is now 29 years old. My rambling point is that quite often you can find excellent rules sets out there for nothing or close to it on the web that allow you much more variation and scope than GW are ever willing to do and these days they now answer to shareholders which will always mean they are driven by profit to pay the shareholders their annual premium's.
I still haven't had a chance to play a proper 40K game, but I got to play with full armies and played a "close enough" game with Wyloch about 2 years ago - and the game was Grimdark Future (OnePageRules 40K-inspired game). I am exactly the kind of person you mention who slowly gets sucked into the hobby with veteran friends, and easier to understand games like this. Loved this video so much, Luke - great thoughts!
@@sigurdbjohansson Hmm, looks like the "totally not bigots and trolls" got banned. The last thing I saw was a rant against the peer review system of wikipedia. I guess we'll never know now. It's too bad that their posts don't appear on my channel or Luke's' channel anymore, maybe this is a teachable moment and they'll behave as mature adults in future social situations?
I gave up on GW after game after game at a club with "oh did you not know this unit has X power that means your troops die" or this 10 point unit does not ever die to my 100 point unit cos of special rule 4.7.11a in an army book I don't own. The idea of having to own and spend hours studying over £100 of army books for armies I don't own, not to be competitive but just to avoid supid mistakes was a big no for me.
Tiny, seeing his book and knowing it well are two different things. Charging my 30 dice elite plasma armed unit into his unarmoured unit only to find they have the anti plasma mutation from appendix E and can't be touched etc etc does not make an interesting game for me. Yes I learn that exists but the next time its just something else similar and I have no interest in buying every army book every 2 years.
@@Sorrowdusk I got a Elegoo Mars Pro. They're going for around $250 USD. Other companies make good printers as well. I stuck with Elegoo just because I knew that there would be good community support due to their popularity and Elegoo seems to have a decent record of keeping replacement parts around. I use the water washable resin from Elegoo as well which is about $40USD/1000g bottle. I've gotten it cheaper on sales. Again, I personally stick to Elegoo just because I'm not that adventurous and it seems to "just work" which is all I care about. You can make 3d printing a whole separate hobby if you want with mods and dialing stuff in; etc. I don't care about any of that, I just wanted to spit out cool minis to game with and paint. My set up meets my expectations 100%. EDIT: I should say that the 3d printer plates are pretty small, so most people I know that buy 3d printers for terrain go for the FDM filament printers instead of resin printers because you get a much bigger build plate so can make bigger things. I have zero experience with those as I only print minis and similar.
@@Sorrowdusk If you're looking at terrain only, depending on the size of the pieces you want to print you might be better off with a filament printer rather than a resin printer. To generalize a bit, if you're printing big items, buildings, large barricades, centerpiece items etc. I would use a filament printer. Resin printers (fellow Elegoo Mars users here) are better for smaller stuff (or perhaps better for things where you want a lot of detail, rather than just "better") but you don't have the same size build area, so the actual things you can print is limited as your print area is smaller. Two things I didn't properly research when getting a resin printer that I wish I was prepared for before I started, but were not deal breakers in the end: 1) Prepare to spend a lot of time cleaning with isopropyl alcohol. It's like 50% of the hobby. 2) The film at the bottom of the resin tank needs relatively frequent replacement and it is a pain in the arse to do. Not difficult, but there's a billion screws to fiddle with.
I got an Anycubic Photon Zero for £95 last year. I’m very careful and haven’t had to replace the film in the bottom of the vat yet. Still getting excellent results. Loads of free models to download online, haven’t bought any yet because I still haven’t printed all the free ones I want to do yet!
It’s called experiential optimal flow. That timeless, mindfulness when you’re completely absorbed in the moment. Painting does it for me too. Great video.
I was involved in the retail end of the hobby long enough to know how GW's dominance over the UK gaming market decades ago crippled independent retailers. They tried to pull that here in the US, but discovered that they were no longer a big fish in a little pond, and didn't end up turning every retailer into a Specialist Stockist like some kind of market virus. GW still holds a dominant share of the gaming miniatures market, and their rules set (whatever it happens to be this month) holds sway over competitive play in general, but it doesn't *have* to be that way. Overpriced official models with potentially limited relevancy (before the ever-mutating rules change yet again to sell newer, different models), and even a certain, lingering stink of elitist arrogance, can serve only to breed resentment towards GW's near-monopoly over the hobby. The idea of simple, stable rules usable with *whatever* minis you happen to own should be quite appealing to those who just want to play a game. =^[.]^=
They killed my local games shop and it was run by a bloke who was exactly like the comic book guy in the Simpsons. I sometimes wonder what happened to him I can't imagine him doing anything else.
I'm with you on the detail and design front. The latest GW stuff is truley amazing, but I really miss the character and uniqueness that older sculpt brought to the table.
The more recent models seem to be designed as display pieces first and parts of an army second. The details look impressive on a big zoomed in photo, but a larger group falls apart into chaotic mess. Similar to videogame graphics a square milimeter of flat surface is perceived as sub-standard and has to be covered in details. Why? Because it can be, we have the technology! As the comic book artist Moebius put it, there are two ways to impress your audience. You can draw an interesting subject in an impressive way, or you can overwhelm them with sheer amount of details all over the place. (just roughly quoting from memory here)
Yeah you can really see the difference from when characters where hand drawn in concept art and the point they started just designing straight to digital with 3d models. They feel so damn generic. Not to mention the whole primaris scam.... all of the marine chapters with unique looks and accessories got wiped clean on the cross over to primaris marines and now they all look the damn same
That's where customization should come into play. If they sold actually good, pre-primaris levels of quality accessories for SM or even just armies in general people would gladly customize them. Sell basic models with loads of accessories that each player can choose to place or not
Bolt action is a game I have fallen in love with for this reason. There are so many mini brands to choose from and making the choices about your collection is a hobby in an of it's self 😊
Totally agree the game itself is great and BA tournaments for the most part a fun and very friendly. I have met and played against Rick (oh my god wet knickers time) Priestly and Alessio (any mistakes are Rick's Fault) Calvatore at BA Tournaments and they are great guys and good sports. Tea and doughnuts with Rick in a Community Centre kitchen will remain one of my favourite memories; as will chasing Alessio's M4 Sherman round terrain whilst it ran away from my Panzer IV. GW games up until 4th Edition 40k and the death of WHFB used to give me that buzz they don't now. I do love GW models, hate the pricing and I am slowly assembling my 2000pt Deathwatch army ready for when we can play again. That said my first game after lock down ends will probably be Tiny Epic Galaxies followed by Pipeline and then a quick friendly and fun Bolt Action game.
They also realistically price their models. Not price them based on how effective they are in the game. Also since ww2 is so iconic you can easily find stand ins and proxies, play at different scales, 3d printed models, and a game system that is more tactical and decision oriented
@@skylerslack12 plus they can transfer easily to other systems I like a bit of CoC now and again to really get into the historic ww2 platoon leader vibe.
Really cute kid Luke, that was a great shot you got in there of the two of you. And man, your vids keep getting better and better man. This was really well dude 👌
I learned more about painting in this vid you showed me how simple dry brushing can be and how effective it is over a simple base coat. father a daughter time is priceless my Little girl is 16 now the first memories are always the best your a lucky man. because there the first time all of them are great.
Great video and totally agree with the idea of using proxies. I tend to play mostly Historical games but I'm quite happy to deviate from a set of rules by adapting them to my needs. I'm never tied down to a particular rules system, army list, or even scale when I pick a period to collect and play. And while I enjoy a well-written rulebook, I also love a simple one-page sets because they are a brilliant way to get new players into the hobby.
The production quality of these videos is outstanding. I don't play Wargaming like 40k or age of sigmar because of the extensive rules, but this sounds way more accessible. Was great to watch, cheers mate.
I couldn’t agree more!! I have an enormous collection of painted GW minis from decades past but I cannot bring myself to learn the new rules; Nor do my 10 year old boys. But we all are LOVIN the One Page Rules!! We can quickly teach their friends and get immersed in LOTR and 40k without our heads exploding. Great video topic Luke!!!
"It doesn't matter. It's about how you're feeling while you're doing it." *That* is why I watch this channel, *that* is why I'm on the facebook group. I am currently (very slowly) painting a War Mamuk. Whilst planning my model railway. Whilst doing various woodworking "projects". Whilst working and looking after my little ones. It's what it makes you feel, the enjoyment of doing it. Am I a Daemon Painter? No. Not on your life. Neither am I a master carpenter/woodworker. However, I enjoy what I do. It is definitely how it makes me feel. I can walk away and say "I made that." Is it amazing? Probably not. Is it the best I can do? I hope not. But I can sit there and think "Yup, *I* did that." An absolutely corking way of looking at life. Suffering from various issues just makes me want to better myself even more. "Can't do that? OK, let's see if I can do it a different way". Looking forward to your collaboration with Dave. And thank you for putting me onto his channel. P + L Dom
@@GeekGamingScenics Damn straight. I am (and I did see your post) sorry to hear about Gatsby. Whatever time you spend, however good you are, it's a way of spending some time. Thank you for documenting what you do, it has certainly made me a better modeller. Also a better person. Massive love.
@@Mr_Chuckles young ones? It's a nightmare for 30 year olds. Gw needs to stop changing the rules every month and "rebalancing" stuff. They are literally adjusting the value of models on the tabletop to nudge sales in the direction they want. It never was about the bilance of the game
@@techpriestalex8730 which is not a problem if you just want to play. Books and lore are to enrich your experience but are not needed to play. (The game is a mess of rule bloat however)
Thank you for taking the time to do this video! I have tried to explain the hobby to friends and failed. You have shared my desire for the hobby in a great video thank you.
I am constantly amazed that some people think GW are the only kids on the block, and are completely unaware of the vast amount of other figures and rules and periods that are available in the wider hobby of wargaming.
I feel like that isn't entirely the fault of the player, many of the companies don't do a good enough job getting their name out there. I'm a huge GW shill, but man would I love for them to have better competition that actually challenges and threatens them. Would force GW to have better practices, and would overall be a win-win for the consumer.
The fact is, the setting is really well crafted, they have some amazing books and even the tone is really unique. I love the 40k setting but GW is really making me look forward to never buying their stuff again
Yes, One Page Rules! I've gotten into this and I love it. They have a point calculator so I was able to create an entire custom army, with its own mechanics and flavor.
where can i get an aircraft carrier hanger with extra storage for my unpainted mini's. got a massive pile of painted stuff too. I think i might have a problem. Not enough storage space. lol.
@@JamesRansomso far, I have zero interest in returning. So much, in fact, I’m selling off most of my collection. The only thing that might get me back is the return of the Squats... 🤣
I’ve been an OPR patron since the “early days”. Simplicity of mechanisms with an attention to granularity has been its strong points; with patronage comes access to expanded rules and points systems, which has enabled me work towards a steampunk-y game with British colonial troops versus - well: anyone... in 10mm. A simple rules mechanism with add-on variation means massive flexibility and universality across genres, periods, scales and gaming experiences. I advise everyone to visit the site, download the free versions of the rules - which give complete games - and muck about with whatever figures, scales and terrain you like. There are some skeleton “flavours” supplied with each army, but you can adapt it to your personal choice. Then invest in the advanced options and make it completely your own. You don’t have to buy any one manufacturer’s figures or invest in fancy bespoke terrain. I’ve gone for 10mm because I want to play big battles on my small table and I’m a terrain nerd who loves grandiose ruins. Try them.
Hellooo! I love One page rules! I have been playing 40K with my father-in-law but it was way too complicated him to follow... I found OPR about 6 months ago and we were both playing that very night we have have played a few games now and I love the streamlined gameplay that is easy to learn in a single night! Its bloody amazing! Keep up with the good videos!
I really enjoy your channel and this video talks exactly about why I created my rule system, which originally was for me and my son, but after releasing the beta test I have had lots of good feedback and another reviewer is checking it out now, which is more than I could have asked for.
I used this video a few months back as part of why I decided to get a 3D printer. Best choice I’ve ever made for my hobby. One page rules, Artisan guild, and a few others have helped me for under $500, print thousands of dollars worth of models I’d never have been able to buy.
Yeah I don't get it. I've started tracking my print cost with energy consumption factored in. $0.86 total for 3 of OPR's hive warriors. Yes, I had to rinse them in IPA, clean away supports and UV cure, but that workflow is about the same amount of time of cutting sprues and filing mold lines.
Really liked your commentary on limited palettes and how you use them to reduce complexity while increasing your enjoyment of the hobby. You can go 'all out' with this concept by using a CMYK palette expander like TriaDart II. It's essentially a parametric color synthesizer. You can use it with any kind of conventional palette, wet palette, and all your airbrushes.
This video was helpful to me as I'm working on a new table top game and I did not even think about how intimidating a big rule book could be u have given me some things to think about thank you and some good painting going on there as well
I'm going to have to look into these One Page Rules. Those models look great as well. This kinda invigorates me to paint some Raumjager from Wargames Atlantic.
Haven't touched the OPR minis yet, but messed around with the ruleset for a couple of years and I agree, it's a great introductory system; and lots of fun for quick games. Proxies FTW!
Awesome stuff! One Page Rules was what I was recommended by wargamers on Reddit when I asked them "I love painting Skaven, is there a game I can play with them that isn't Warhammer?" I'd never played a wargame before, and having seen Warhammer and having friends who used to be into it and got out, I knew it wasn't for me. But OPR? Easy sell. Plus they make awesome models for my 3d printer? Now I'm 200% sold. And now I'm in the wargaming hobby, and I wouldn't have been without OPR. So, TL;DR, you're absolutely right.
I was so overwhelmed when I started Warhammer High Elves way back when, felt even more stressed when I started 40K. Nowadays I do more painting than playing, but I do really enjoy simple fun rules
Hello, Newer painter here. Are you spraying an adhesive from above at 1:40 to hold them on place on the board? Couldn't quite make out that step. Thanks!
When i played Fantasy I was fairly hard set on using the 'proper' GW mini's for my armies - and looking back, it really held me back from my gaming and army building. Now that i'm older and wiser, and have a 3d printer, I am much less stringent on what i include in my 40k armies, and it has really opened the hobby up for me. so many possibilities (for much less $)
I've been loving Frostgrave, and am looking forward to Stargrave. I love how simple the game is, but how well the scenarios drive the narrative. The only thing we need GW for are the minis ... hard to argue anyone else does as nice minis.
As a certified dinosaur (first wargame c1975) I have little interaction with GW, but just yesterday I impulse-bought a box of their skulls for an undead project.
nice job . would like to try to see if I would like to play. what is the link to get the ready minis as I don't want to get a printer yet . not good at comp. skills by the way I am 65 and you make it look interesting and fun . THANKS
short answer: nope :D since the pandemic I have found totally different ways for my tabletop hobby to thrive without playing or buying anything in a warhammer store. Onepagerules is also one of our local go-to's now! Its just so much easier to play the hobby how you like to.
Me and my family are big onset of rules called Fistful of Lead. Rule book is 20 pages and you can use any models you have for it. I highly enjoy non-legacy games and play them often
Lovely. (And great pacing!) I must agree with the complicated bit... still haven’t really figured out how to pile in properly in AoS 😂 Those minis look real cool and I’m a little envious.
Very philosophical Luke :D I use to hobby with both my kids but they've out-grown it (or so they say) and i miss sitting down with them to paint some minis or even play. Dave at MS Paints is a great guy and very helpful and good mate so i can't wait for that vid.
I’ve just got a copy of one page rules and I have to say that I am cuffed as chips at the simple easiness of game play. No more over complicated rules and massive expensive books. Now I can actually enjoy playing a skirmish game ✌🏻
I really like his rulebooks and his minis. Easy to learn, no heavy investment required... They are a very useful tool to introduce people into this hobby
I'm a lifelong modeller, once me and a mate tried to learn the gaming side in a GW shop, so bloody complicated...as a 40 odd year old bloke...life was just too short
Great advice. I need to stop fixing on all the projects I want to do and just decide what I want to do today and do that, no more pile of shame! I love that you're incorporating your family into your hobby but in a way that allows them to do what interests them.
Games Workshop is like playing World of Warcraft now - it’s just so tailored to experienced players that new players don’t have a chance. That’s a turn off for some people. It’s just too much like...”work”? However, the fact that there is still a demand for a challenge like that is pretty damn appealing.
I’ve played a Napoleonic set of rules the only thing that slows them down is casualties in men and not figures or basesonce I’ve worked out a different way of taking casualties. The best way is a stock control system on a small laptop showing degrading for casualties, tiredness, and disorganisation.. You move figures,roll dice, fire guns etc. I wrote it in basic on a pc but it would work better with a touch screen but I don’t have a touch screen pc and unless I can programme a phone ???
I stopped playing GW in the mid 90s, it got too expensive and the rules changed far too often and were not easy to learn. I recommend Zona Alfa as a really good, clear, and simple post apocalypse ruleset that could be easy to get new players into.
I’m getting back into painting figures and I must admit the latest GW figures were a bit of a shock.. Last time I painted any were in the late 90s ha ha - new to your channel but really loving the style and content, cheers
Now printing is affordable and great quality and the free rule sets are abundant on the net I have almost completely given up on gw products. I still love 40k and AoS but I cannot justify paying for gw stuff anymore. In the last year I have printed 7 40k scale titans (1 warlord, 2 reavers and 4 warhounds) and it only took six rolls of pla which cost about £150 so I saved about £3000 compared to forgeworld prices 😎 the days of saving up for models only to have my planned army nerfed before I can buy it are gone. Now I can print up an army and have it painted and ready to play in a few weekends, and for less than half price of gw.
The way I was able to get friends and Shockingly my grown daughter to play table top miniatures was via Frostgrave. Then we I introduced them to Rangers of Shadow Deep and soon we will be playing Stargrave. We have also play Zona Alpha, Brutality and Lost Legions. All small 10 figures per side skirmish games. 3D printing has helped me make cheap terrain. I showed someone a GW 40K 7th Edition book once and they said no way would they have played if they had to read that book and then a codex. Nope, I stopped buying into GW 10+ years ago and have not looked back. So many mini agnostic rule sets no need for rules heavy games. But, at the same time, people should play what they like
I really enjoyed that one. Not pretentious. Not a real slag on GW. Just telling it like it is. Having your daughter hanging out with you is some great quality time. Well done!
This topic came up in convo with one of the lads the other day. We'll in the form of getting a 3D printer and whether you could just 3D print GW minis with it. Morally I wouldn't but theoretically it could be possible no?
Tbh they are tons of intresting models Currently printing an Amazon Bloodbowl team using Disney princesses! Also tons of really good Proxies. And tbh plenty of outright copies. Id used say 3d printing = Mantic quality minis but not quite GW. But with the quality of designs around now .. I'd say its begining to surpass GW.
@@GeekGamingScenics Nor would I I'd see it as a slight and not to mention the drop in sales could end them then and in Ireland there shops are already too few and far between
@@lucavicentini795 What I wouldn't mind is some sort of a rift between worlds job where GW release a TT game where LOTR, Warhammer and 40K models and armies can be used in scenarios. I'd love to pit the armies of Mordor against the Skaven
It IS possible, and it's possible to find many of the GW models or close enough that you could camouflage them in the middle of a GW store without anyone noticing they're not official stuff, but honestly there's no real reason. There's now at this point enough variety that you can go in a radically different direction than the GW-sanctioned designs, and given the absolute explosion of Patreons and artists out there pumping out wonderful stuff, you could have incredible armies in styles that GW hasn't even dreamed of.
The biggest and most active years that I ever played Warhammer Fantasy battle 4th/5th was when we decided to not use minis. We knew the size of the bases of all units, had all army books and so with that knowledge we enjoyed the game being able to field any army we wanted. We would cut our armies from cardboard and drawing grid on them to show the individual units but not care beyond that about the look of the army. And man did we enjoy the game. Of course i've never been able to play that way ever with people that spent 2-3 gran on an army.
I’ve been playing OPR games (on & off) since 1Page40k. 👍🏻 I love the streamlined, universal rules and their 3D models are excellent. I’m a happy Patreon backer. 👍🏻
"need" has never been the word ive used for GW but every point you listed about how hard their stuff is, that's precisely why its so good restrictions make hard choices and combine with complex rule interactions this gives your choices meaning, its what makes the game fun when you win, you've expressed a mastery over a hard problem not just "chucked a few dice around" i do wish they would spend some time and declutter their game instead of just pumping out new books because you are right the game should be fun no matter what you are playing it with
Dude, I know you're not a huge fan of the bigger rules 9th age does - but there's a bunch of 'tiers' out there now. 'Model Agnostic' is the future. Community driven or small garage-band style indie rules writers are the future. Tie this all together with 3D printing and its quite revolutionary. Check out Essence of war - the core of ranks and flanks, in 30 pages, played in an hour. The hobby is about to get really different because of one-page rules, and others like it.
How do you find people to play with, as a beginner? I'm painting up a couple of skirmish units for one page rules, but I don't know anyone who plays it and I'm brand-new to wargaming. Playing alone should be fun, but it would be good to find other people too.
As a board gamers, back in the SPI days, I always looked for a set of rules which were no longer than 12 pages. The print was small, at 3 columns, but two pages were normally charts and tables and some room was used for TOC, introduction and designers notes, or scenarios. When I got into figure-gaming the rules was either so terse they required deep though to understand, or they were so long as to be overwhelming. I think 1 page is too short, but short rules are good.
A buddy of mine tried to get me into Warmachine/Hordes but... despite the lack of models needed for the game to function, I realized that I'd be getting into the hobby about the same as I would for 40k or AoS, so I pretty much delved into those, kept a mind on what I was buying... heck, even bought the 9th edition recruit box by splitting the cost between my fiance and I so that we each only had to pay $25 to start playing 40k. She took the necrons because I was planning to use the space marines and she's already working on a beautiful paint job with metallic paints in a warm color scheme centered around Rose Gold
You raise an interesting point luke, especially about trying to keep things simple. I'm in the process of painting a very small force of stormcast eternals and with the amount of detail painting them is like wading through treacle.
I dont even play RPGs of any sort. But building terrain for others is my escape. I LOVE making my own world and escaping to it. Great vid, as usual, cheers!
Getting back into painting and wanted to play but didn’t know if 9th Ed. was for me. I found OPR and I’m so excited because now I can play Space Dwarves using the Mantic miniatures. I’m also excited about playing alternating units
I totally agree. I am new to the game system, while I have played D&D with the same group for the better part of 20 years. But OPR got me into it and my friends. The proxy and self printing system let's me choose what army I want to field. I have models from 10 different creators. I love being a bit random. The rules are simple, but very difficult to master. Simplicity makes it super easy to do a pick up game with a new player, that is the best.
I used to play 40k when I was at school, but that was well over a decade ago. I have returned to painting warhammer models and have even learnt to play Middle Earth. But 40k has so far eluded me because it's far more complicated than I remember it ever being. I'm not a strong reader so the rule book is daunting, and my memory is crap meaning I can't seem to keep the rules in my head for long, and even during a single game, i'm constantly forgetting my models stats. I tried Kill team out as an easier alternative, but even that I struggle with. I remember 40k being a simple move, shoot, close combat, done affair. Now there are command points, specialist rules, titans, flyers, keywords, so on. It's a lot to take in.
I don't have a pile of shame either. Just a back log of minis (a lot) I can turn to if I feel like painting them. I like to buy from small companies and one thing I've come to realize is that if I don't buy the minis I like now, I often miss the chance later, if say, the company goes out of business or the minis get discontinued.
2-3 hours for a 40K game is too much! I love painting the models and the lore, books etc but I enjoy playing Warcry, you only need 4-10 models, a board and some terrain. Easier rules and faster gameplay. I also backed the kickstarter "Mythic Battles Ragnarok" skirmish game. It has beautiful miniatures and is really fun to play.
Courses for horses, many people get into tabletop for many different reasons. Some love lore, some love meta, some love painting minis or just building stuff. I think GW still has it's place for veteran and new.
Had to watch because I wondered how someone could take over 9 minutes to say "no" but three seconds in I'm wondering if I've shifted into an alternate dimension.
A massive advantage to One Page Rules (aside from being freakin' free) is that you don't have to hunt around several different books to keep up with the rules for your army. Painted up, those minis look bostin'. This was a great, positive video.
And I feel like it lends itself more easily to add extra spells or rules without making it a complete clusterfuck...
Using a limited palette to paint these minis was an improvement as well. You can use a CMYK palette expander like TriaDart II, taking this approach to the next level. It's essentially a parametric color synthesizer. You can use it with any kind of conventional palette, wet palette, and all your airbrushes.
Bostin?
Did you mean bussin?
@@KneeCapHill Nah, "bostin'" in an exclamation of exuberant approval here in the British Midlands.
Turned my back on GW a few years ago and moved into historicals and some sci-fi fleet battle and gang war type games. I get mini's from so many manufacturers now and there are so many rulesets out there to choose from it's so much more enjoyable and a damn sight cheaper than GW as well.
Agreed, Osprey especially have some many good game systems to choose from.
I remember getting into battlefleet gothic and then it going the way of the dodo with GW after selling of my collection I discovered Full Thrust from GZG. When you get the original rules as a free download plus with plenty of groups and websites updating the rules all the time which, whilst GZG do manufacture their own pretty damn good mini's, were originally designed so you could develop stats and use any mini's you want and is still probably one of if not the spaceship battle games out there even though it is now 29 years old. My rambling point is that quite often you can find excellent rules sets out there for nothing or close to it on the web that allow you much more variation and scope than GW are ever willing to do and these days they now answer to shareholders which will always mean they are driven by profit to pay the shareholders their annual premium's.
I’m loving that way…
Me and my buds did something similar with the tabletop RPGs. We took a few mechanics and now we're in our own Sci-fi universe
Same!
I still haven't had a chance to play a proper 40K game, but I got to play with full armies and played a "close enough" game with Wyloch about 2 years ago - and the game was Grimdark Future (OnePageRules 40K-inspired game). I am exactly the kind of person you mention who slowly gets sucked into the hobby with veteran friends, and easier to understand games like this. Loved this video so much, Luke - great thoughts!
haha I played a lot of wh40k recently and it rocks
I wanna see you paint a unicorn coloring book.
We all do
@@darkmadbat_ What are you on about, dude?
@@sigurdbjohansson Hmm, looks like the "totally not bigots and trolls" got banned. The last thing I saw was a rant against the peer review system of wikipedia. I guess we'll never know now. It's too bad that their posts don't appear on my channel or Luke's' channel anymore, maybe this is a teachable moment and they'll behave as mature adults in future social situations?
@@GoobertownHobbies Yes, let us hope this will stand out as a teachable moment for the negativity-addled among us :)
@Bungee You didn't see the origins because two people got banned.
GW's rules are pretty basic... The problem comes from the million add-ons and combinations they release afterwards
Yeah, it’s pretty rough and sloppy presentation too. Nearly impossible to just play with a reference list of sort
I gave up on GW after game after game at a club with "oh did you not know this unit has X power that means your troops die" or this 10 point unit does not ever die to my 100 point unit cos of special rule 4.7.11a in an army book I don't own.
The idea of having to own and spend hours studying over £100 of army books for armies I don't own, not to be competitive but just to avoid supid mistakes was a big no for me.
@@Cloudman572 that's why you ask to see the book they have, if they don't have said book, the rule doesn't stand...
GW has basic rules?! 😂 That's a great joke man. You're killing me.
Tiny, seeing his book and knowing it well are two different things.
Charging my 30 dice elite plasma armed unit into his unarmoured unit only to find they have the anti plasma mutation from appendix E and can't be touched etc etc does not make an interesting game for me.
Yes I learn that exists but the next time its just something else similar and I have no interest in buying every army book every 2 years.
OPR is not only great rules, but their minis actually got me to buy a resin printer. Changed my hobby completely for the better.
How much did it cost? I'm only interested in printing terrain
I’m keen to print minis ? How does it work ? Like how do you get the moulds ? Or do you Just slide one in and it copies it ???
@@Sorrowdusk I got a Elegoo Mars Pro. They're going for around $250 USD. Other companies make good printers as well. I stuck with Elegoo just because I knew that there would be good community support due to their popularity and Elegoo seems to have a decent record of keeping replacement parts around.
I use the water washable resin from Elegoo as well which is about $40USD/1000g bottle. I've gotten it cheaper on sales. Again, I personally stick to Elegoo just because I'm not that adventurous and it seems to "just work" which is all I care about. You can make 3d printing a whole separate hobby if you want with mods and dialing stuff in; etc. I don't care about any of that, I just wanted to spit out cool minis to game with and paint. My set up meets my expectations 100%.
EDIT: I should say that the 3d printer plates are pretty small, so most people I know that buy 3d printers for terrain go for the FDM filament printers instead of resin printers because you get a much bigger build plate so can make bigger things. I have zero experience with those as I only print minis and similar.
@@Sorrowdusk If you're looking at terrain only, depending on the size of the pieces you want to print you might be better off with a filament printer rather than a resin printer. To generalize a bit, if you're printing big items, buildings, large barricades, centerpiece items etc. I would use a filament printer. Resin printers (fellow Elegoo Mars users here) are better for smaller stuff (or perhaps better for things where you want a lot of detail, rather than just "better") but you don't have the same size build area, so the actual things you can print is limited as your print area is smaller.
Two things I didn't properly research when getting a resin printer that I wish I was prepared for before I started, but were not deal breakers in the end:
1) Prepare to spend a lot of time cleaning with isopropyl alcohol. It's like 50% of the hobby.
2) The film at the bottom of the resin tank needs relatively frequent replacement and it is a pain in the arse to do. Not difficult, but there's a billion screws to fiddle with.
I got an Anycubic Photon Zero for £95 last year. I’m very careful and haven’t had to replace the film in the bottom of the vat yet. Still getting excellent results. Loads of free models to download online, haven’t bought any yet because I still haven’t printed all the free ones I want to do yet!
It’s called experiential optimal flow. That timeless, mindfulness when you’re completely absorbed in the moment. Painting does it for me too. Great video.
I was involved in the retail end of the hobby long enough to know how GW's dominance over the UK gaming market decades ago crippled independent retailers. They tried to pull that here in the US, but discovered that they were no longer a big fish in a little pond, and didn't end up turning every retailer into a Specialist Stockist like some kind of market virus. GW still holds a dominant share of the gaming miniatures market, and their rules set (whatever it happens to be this month) holds sway over competitive play in general, but it doesn't *have* to be that way. Overpriced official models with potentially limited relevancy (before the ever-mutating rules change yet again to sell newer, different models), and even a certain, lingering stink of elitist arrogance, can serve only to breed resentment towards GW's near-monopoly over the hobby. The idea of simple, stable rules usable with *whatever* minis you happen to own should be quite appealing to those who just want to play a game. =^[.]^=
They killed my local games shop and it was run by a bloke who was exactly like the comic book guy in the Simpsons. I sometimes wonder what happened to him I can't imagine him doing anything else.
Welcome to OPR!
Welcome man!
Welcome!
I'm with you on the detail and design front. The latest GW stuff is truley amazing, but I really miss the character and uniqueness that older sculpt brought to the table.
The more recent models seem to be designed as display pieces first and parts of an army second. The details look impressive on a big zoomed in photo, but a larger group falls apart into chaotic mess.
Similar to videogame graphics a square milimeter of flat surface is perceived as sub-standard and has to be covered in details. Why? Because it can be, we have the technology!
As the comic book artist Moebius put it, there are two ways to impress your audience. You can draw an interesting subject in an impressive way, or you can overwhelm them with sheer amount of details all over the place. (just roughly quoting from memory here)
Yeah you can really see the difference from when characters where hand drawn in concept art and the point they started just designing straight to digital with 3d models.
They feel so damn generic. Not to mention the whole primaris scam.... all of the marine chapters with unique looks and accessories got wiped clean on the cross over to primaris marines and now they all look the damn same
That's where customization should come into play. If they sold actually good, pre-primaris levels of quality accessories for SM or even just armies in general people would gladly customize them.
Sell basic models with loads of accessories that each player can choose to place or not
This video has such good vibes man. Gonna go for some painting zen tonight myself
AVE?
I mainly paint these days but I do miss the old GW Dwarf mini’s. they were bloody excellent in the 90’s
Bolt action is a game I have fallen in love with for this reason. There are so many mini brands to choose from and making the choices about your collection is a hobby in an of it's self 😊
Agreed, there are so many different areas to choose. It’s all about having fun and enjoying the hobby 👍
Totally agree the game itself is great and BA tournaments for the most part a fun and very friendly.
I have met and played against Rick (oh my god wet knickers time) Priestly and Alessio (any mistakes are Rick's Fault) Calvatore at BA Tournaments and they are great guys and good sports.
Tea and doughnuts with Rick in a Community Centre kitchen will remain one of my favourite memories; as will chasing Alessio's M4 Sherman round terrain whilst it ran away from my Panzer IV.
GW games up until 4th Edition 40k and the death of WHFB used to give me that buzz they don't now.
I do love GW models, hate the pricing and I am slowly assembling my 2000pt Deathwatch army ready for when we can play again. That said my first game after lock down ends will probably be Tiny Epic Galaxies followed by Pipeline and then a quick friendly and fun Bolt Action game.
They also realistically price their models. Not price them based on how effective they are in the game. Also since ww2 is so iconic you can easily find stand ins and proxies, play at different scales, 3d printed models, and a game system that is more tactical and decision oriented
@@skylerslack12 plus they can transfer easily to other systems I like a bit of CoC now and again to really get into the historic ww2 platoon leader vibe.
And Warlords of Erehwon is super flexible too
Really cute kid Luke, that was a great shot you got in there of the two of you. And man, your vids keep getting better and better man. This was really well dude 👌
I learned more about painting in this vid you showed me how simple dry brushing can be and how effective it is over a simple base coat.
father a daughter time is priceless my Little girl is 16 now the first memories are always the best your a lucky man.
because there the first time all of them are great.
Great video and totally agree with the idea of using proxies. I tend to play mostly Historical games but I'm quite happy to deviate from a set of rules by adapting them to my needs. I'm never tied down to a particular rules system, army list, or even scale when I pick a period to collect and play. And while I enjoy a well-written rulebook, I also love a simple one-page sets because they are a brilliant way to get new players into the hobby.
It's cool seeing you enjoy the hobby and glad that you can find the escape again
The production quality of these videos is outstanding. I don't play Wargaming like 40k or age of sigmar because of the extensive rules, but this sounds way more accessible. Was great to watch, cheers mate.
I couldn’t agree more!! I have an enormous collection of painted GW minis from decades past but I cannot bring myself to learn the new rules; Nor do my 10 year old boys. But we all are LOVIN the One Page Rules!! We can quickly teach their friends and get immersed in LOTR and 40k without our heads exploding. Great video topic Luke!!!
"It doesn't matter. It's about how you're feeling while you're doing it." *That* is why I watch this channel, *that* is why I'm on the facebook group. I am currently (very slowly) painting a War Mamuk. Whilst planning my model railway. Whilst doing various woodworking "projects". Whilst working and looking after my little ones. It's what it makes you feel, the enjoyment of doing it. Am I a Daemon Painter? No. Not on your life. Neither am I a master carpenter/woodworker. However, I enjoy what I do. It is definitely how it makes me feel. I can walk away and say "I made that." Is it amazing? Probably not. Is it the best I can do? I hope not. But I can sit there and think "Yup, *I* did that." An absolutely corking way of looking at life. Suffering from various issues just makes me want to better myself even more. "Can't do that? OK, let's see if I can do it a different way". Looking forward to your collaboration with Dave. And thank you for putting me onto his channel.
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@@GeekGamingScenics Damn straight. I am (and I did see your post) sorry to hear about Gatsby. Whatever time you spend, however good you are, it's a way of spending some time. Thank you for documenting what you do, it has certainly made me a better modeller. Also a better person. Massive love.
OPR's Grimdark Future has really been fun. I've got my kids playing it, where they never wanted to play 40k before.
40k is certainly not very approachable for young ones
@MrChuckles that's even for the ip itself isn't easy to get into either
@@Mr_Chuckles young ones? It's a nightmare for 30 year olds.
Gw needs to stop changing the rules every month and "rebalancing" stuff. They are literally adjusting the value of models on the tabletop to nudge sales in the direction they want. It never was about the bilance of the game
@@techpriestalex8730 which is not a problem if you just want to play. Books and lore are to enrich your experience but are not needed to play. (The game is a mess of rule bloat however)
Thank you for taking the time to do this video! I have tried to explain the hobby to friends and failed. You have shared my desire for the hobby in a great video thank you.
I am constantly amazed that some people think GW are the only kids on the block, and are completely unaware of the vast amount of other figures and rules and periods that are available in the wider hobby of wargaming.
I feel like that isn't entirely the fault of the player, many of the companies don't do a good enough job getting their name out there. I'm a huge GW shill, but man would I love for them to have better competition that actually challenges and threatens them. Would force GW to have better practices, and would overall be a win-win for the consumer.
It's also accessibility for countries and cost.. I want Artel W minis but with conversion and postage to Aus, its hard to pull the trigger..
The fact is, the setting is really well crafted, they have some amazing books and even the tone is really unique. I love the 40k setting but GW is really making me look forward to never buying their stuff again
@@KneeCapHill it's more to do with their business practise than the setting or models. They garden wall their customers, and very effectively as well.
Yes, One Page Rules! I've gotten into this and I love it. They have a point calculator so I was able to create an entire custom army, with its own mechanics and flavor.
"I don't have a pile of shame"
Proof that Luke is indeed the chosen one of hobbying 🤣 He has actually painted all his minis!!
@@GeekGamingScenics Yup , been doing the same for decades, If not I would have a aircraft hanger ,size shame-pile by now ,
@@GeekGamingScenics Heresy! 😳😱
where can i get an aircraft carrier hanger with extra storage for my unpainted mini's. got a massive pile of painted stuff too. I think i might have a problem. Not enough storage space. lol.
I have a Star Wars legion pile of shame 😳🤦🏻♂️
What about the 140 minis from that one video?
Yes, we are also going full steam ahead with OPR! I’ve become a patron and quite enjoy their STLs as well. Excellent choice, sir!
I can’t believe I hadn’t subscribed to you yet. I have now. Great vid!
I like the look of those OPR knights. I didn't even know about one page rules before this so thanks, will definitely check them out.
I have dropped my support for GW for about the last 7 years... and I had been a fan since 1991. I just got into other games and never looked back.
Totally agree. I play Zona Alfa, Wild West Exodus, Gaslands & Frostgrave - they are all so much better that anything GW has these days.
@@cptlazyjack you sound like me. I’m currently trying out the new Dystopian Wars and Wild West Exodus. Been playing Gaslands for a few years too.
You'll be back...
@@JamesRansomso far, I have zero interest in returning. So much, in fact, I’m selling off most of my collection. The only thing that might get me back is the return of the Squats... 🤣
I’ve been an OPR patron since the “early days”. Simplicity of mechanisms with an attention to granularity has been its strong points; with patronage comes access to expanded rules and points systems, which has enabled me work towards a steampunk-y game with British colonial troops versus - well: anyone... in 10mm. A simple rules mechanism with add-on variation means massive flexibility and universality across genres, periods, scales and gaming experiences. I advise everyone to visit the site, download the free versions of the rules - which give complete games - and muck about with whatever figures, scales and terrain you like. There are some skeleton “flavours” supplied with each army, but you can adapt it to your personal choice. Then invest in the advanced options and make it completely your own. You don’t have to buy any one manufacturer’s figures or invest in fancy bespoke terrain. I’ve gone for 10mm because I want to play big battles on my small table and I’m a terrain nerd who loves grandiose ruins. Try them.
Hellooo! I love One page rules! I have been playing 40K with my father-in-law but it was way too complicated him to follow... I found OPR about 6 months ago and we were both playing that very night we have have played a few games now and I love the streamlined gameplay that is easy to learn in a single night! Its bloody amazing!
Keep up with the good videos!
That tight depth of field though. Coooozzyyyyy.
Bang on, life’s about complications and rigid rules, hobby’s are for fun, of course you need rules for games but never at the expense of having fun.
This is your best video yet (that I've seen at least)! It's filmed beautifully. Thank you for being who you are and doing what you do!
I really enjoy your channel and this video talks exactly about why I created my rule system, which originally was for me and my son, but after releasing the beta test I have had lots of good feedback and another reviewer is checking it out now, which is more than I could have asked for.
Been promoting their games on my channel for a while now. Glad they are getting big names such as your self to promote them now.
Loving seeing OPR's models out on the internet, but especially nice seeing a video that gives as much time to their system as to their models :-)
I used this video a few months back as part of why I decided to get a 3D printer. Best choice I’ve ever made for my hobby. One page rules, Artisan guild, and a few others have helped me for under $500, print thousands of dollars worth of models I’d never have been able to buy.
I don't really understand the cost aversion for 3d printers when the devices are so directly comparable to GW box sets.
Yeah I don't get it. I've started tracking my print cost with energy consumption factored in. $0.86 total for 3 of OPR's hive warriors. Yes, I had to rinse them in IPA, clean away supports and UV cure, but that workflow is about the same amount of time of cutting sprues and filing mold lines.
Yeah, OPR is great for using the hype GW generates to introduce folks to a nice, simple playable game.
Buying what you want when you want it doesn't create a pile if shame? I definitely did that wrong. 😅
Great video bud. Not had chance to check out OPR yet but might be a fun way to get my son into gaming or even Wendy!
Really liked your commentary on limited palettes and how you use them to reduce complexity while increasing your enjoyment of the hobby. You can go 'all out' with this concept by using a CMYK palette expander like TriaDart II. It's essentially a parametric color synthesizer. You can use it with any kind of conventional palette, wet palette, and all your airbrushes.
This video was helpful to me as I'm working on a new table top game and I did not even think about how intimidating a big rule book could be u have given me some things to think about thank you and some good painting going on there as well
I'm going to have to look into these One Page Rules.
Those models look great as well.
This kinda invigorates me to paint some Raumjager from Wargames Atlantic.
Haven't touched the OPR minis yet, but messed around with the ruleset for a couple of years and I agree, it's a great introductory system; and lots of fun for quick games. Proxies FTW!
Awesome stuff! One Page Rules was what I was recommended by wargamers on Reddit when I asked them "I love painting Skaven, is there a game I can play with them that isn't Warhammer?" I'd never played a wargame before, and having seen Warhammer and having friends who used to be into it and got out, I knew it wasn't for me. But OPR? Easy sell. Plus they make awesome models for my 3d printer? Now I'm 200% sold. And now I'm in the wargaming hobby, and I wouldn't have been without OPR. So, TL;DR, you're absolutely right.
I was so overwhelmed when I started Warhammer High Elves way back when, felt even more stressed when I started 40K. Nowadays I do more painting than playing, but I do really enjoy simple fun rules
Love my one page rules armies. Came for the battle sisters, stayed for the Eternal Dynasty faction. Every month is a banger, Patreon is a steal
Hello, Newer painter here. Are you spraying an adhesive from above at 1:40 to hold them on place on the board? Couldn't quite make out that step. Thanks!
When i played Fantasy I was fairly hard set on using the 'proper' GW mini's for my armies - and looking back, it really held me back from my gaming and army building. Now that i'm older and wiser, and have a 3d printer, I am much less stringent on what i include in my 40k armies, and it has really opened the hobby up for me. so many possibilities (for much less $)
I'll admit I haven't played any of the One Page Rules games...but I've been sorely tempted to...
I've been loving Frostgrave, and am looking forward to Stargrave. I love how simple the game is, but how well the scenarios drive the narrative. The only thing we need GW for are the minis ... hard to argue anyone else does as nice minis.
GW are also behaving very badly lately, and are terrible value.
As a certified dinosaur (first wargame c1975) I have little interaction with GW, but just yesterday I impulse-bought a box of their skulls for an undead project.
nice job . would like to try to see if I would like to play. what is the link to get the ready minis as I don't want to get a printer yet . not good at comp. skills by the way I am 65 and you make it look interesting and fun . THANKS
I really liked that paint scheme with the limited pallet. So easy sometimes to get bogged down trying to figure what paints to use. Great video!
short answer: nope :D since the pandemic I have found totally different ways for my tabletop hobby to thrive without playing or buying anything in a warhammer store. Onepagerules is also one of our local go-to's now! Its just so much easier to play the hobby how you like to.
Me and my family are big onset of rules called Fistful of Lead. Rule book is 20 pages and you can use any models you have for it. I highly enjoy non-legacy games and play them often
Lovely. (And great pacing!) I must agree with the complicated bit... still haven’t really figured out how to pile in properly in AoS 😂 Those minis look real cool and I’m a little envious.
@@GeekGamingScenics right! Will do! same goes for me actually :)
Great down to earth video, TY For introducing me to One page rules, i can see the majority of my paychecks going their way haha
Very philosophical Luke :D I use to hobby with both my kids but they've out-grown it (or so they say) and i miss sitting down with them to paint some minis or even play. Dave at MS Paints is a great guy and very helpful and good mate so i can't wait for that vid.
I’ve just got a copy of one page rules and I have to say that I am cuffed as chips at the simple easiness of game play. No more over complicated rules and massive expensive books. Now I can actually enjoy playing a skirmish game ✌🏻
I love that you can use programs like Blender to put a "skeleton" in an stl and pose the model to add endless variation.
Been 20 years since I needed GW.
I really like his rulebooks and his minis. Easy to learn, no heavy investment required... They are a very useful tool to introduce people into this hobby
I'm a lifelong modeller, once me and a mate tried to learn the gaming side in a GW shop, so bloody complicated...as a 40 odd year old bloke...life was just too short
Great advice. I need to stop fixing on all the projects I want to do and just decide what I want to do today and do that, no more pile of shame! I love that you're incorporating your family into your hobby but in a way that allows them to do what interests them.
Games Workshop is like playing World of Warcraft now - it’s just so tailored to experienced players that new players don’t have a chance. That’s a turn off for some people. It’s just too much like...”work”? However, the fact that there is still a demand for a challenge like that is pretty damn appealing.
I wasnt ready for this level of philosophy at 8 on a Saturday morning.
Excellent video! Great to have someone to remind us that we don't need to stress and just sit down and enjoy our chosen hobby(s). Thanks!
what is that blue thing you put your paint bottle on at 2:30?
one page rules sounds great
I’ve played a Napoleonic set of rules the only thing that slows them down is casualties in men and not figures or basesonce I’ve worked out a different way of taking casualties. The best way is a stock control system on a small laptop showing degrading for casualties, tiredness, and disorganisation..
You move figures,roll dice, fire guns etc.
I wrote it in basic on a pc but it would work better with a touch screen but I don’t have a touch screen pc and unless I can programme a phone ???
I stopped playing GW in the mid 90s, it got too expensive and the rules changed far too often and were not easy to learn. I recommend Zona Alfa as a really good, clear, and simple post apocalypse ruleset that could be easy to get new players into.
Anything by Osprey is pretty damn good. Zona Alfa, Gaslands & Frostgrave are my personal favourites.
I’m getting back into painting figures and I must admit the latest GW figures were a bit of a shock.. Last time I painted any were in the late 90s ha ha - new to your channel but really loving the style and content, cheers
Now printing is affordable and great quality and the free rule sets are abundant on the net I have almost completely given up on gw products. I still love 40k and AoS but I cannot justify paying for gw stuff anymore. In the last year I have printed 7 40k scale titans (1 warlord, 2 reavers and 4 warhounds) and it only took six rolls of pla which cost about £150 so I saved about £3000 compared to forgeworld prices 😎 the days of saving up for models only to have my planned army nerfed before I can buy it are gone. Now I can print up an army and have it painted and ready to play in a few weekends, and for less than half price of gw.
The way I was able to get friends and Shockingly my grown daughter to play table top miniatures was via Frostgrave. Then we I introduced them to Rangers of Shadow Deep and soon we will be playing Stargrave. We have also play Zona Alpha, Brutality and Lost Legions. All small 10 figures per side skirmish games. 3D printing has helped me make cheap terrain. I showed someone a GW 40K 7th Edition book once and they said no way would they have played if they had to read that book and then a codex.
Nope, I stopped buying into GW 10+ years ago and have not looked back. So many mini agnostic rule sets no need for rules heavy games. But, at the same time, people should play what they like
I really enjoyed that one. Not pretentious. Not a real slag on GW. Just telling it like it is. Having your daughter hanging out with you is some great quality time. Well done!
This was a really lovely video. I enjoy thr focus on just having fun with things!
This topic came up in convo with one of the lads the other day. We'll in the form of getting a 3D printer and whether you could just 3D print GW minis with it. Morally I wouldn't but theoretically it could be possible no?
I prefer have a totally different game system.. With the opr army generator system you can build rules for each army and tailor it as you like
Tbh they are tons of intresting models
Currently printing an Amazon Bloodbowl team using Disney princesses!
Also tons of really good Proxies. And tbh plenty of outright copies.
Id used say 3d printing = Mantic quality minis but not quite GW. But with the quality of designs around now .. I'd say its begining to surpass GW.
@@GeekGamingScenics Nor would I I'd see it as a slight and not to mention the drop in sales could end them then and in Ireland there shops are already too few and far between
@@lucavicentini795 What I wouldn't mind is some sort of a rift between worlds job where GW release a TT game where LOTR, Warhammer and 40K models and armies can be used in scenarios. I'd love to pit the armies of Mordor against the Skaven
It IS possible, and it's possible to find many of the GW models or close enough that you could camouflage them in the middle of a GW store without anyone noticing they're not official stuff, but honestly there's no real reason. There's now at this point enough variety that you can go in a radically different direction than the GW-sanctioned designs, and given the absolute explosion of Patreons and artists out there pumping out wonderful stuff, you could have incredible armies in styles that GW hasn't even dreamed of.
Nice vid style Luke. It was like a magazine editorial come to life!
The biggest and most active years that I ever played Warhammer Fantasy battle 4th/5th was when we decided to not use minis. We knew the size of the bases of all units, had all army books and so with that knowledge we enjoyed the game being able to field any army we wanted. We would cut our armies from cardboard and drawing grid on them to show the individual units but not care beyond that about the look of the army. And man did we enjoy the game.
Of course i've never been able to play that way ever with people that spent 2-3 gran on an army.
I’ve been playing OPR games (on & off) since 1Page40k. 👍🏻
I love the streamlined, universal rules and their 3D models are excellent. I’m a happy Patreon backer. 👍🏻
"need" has never been the word ive used for GW
but every point you listed about how hard their stuff is, that's precisely why its so good
restrictions make hard choices and combine with complex rule interactions
this gives your choices meaning, its what makes the game fun
when you win, you've expressed a mastery over a hard problem
not just "chucked a few dice around"
i do wish they would spend some time and declutter their game instead of just pumping out new books because you are right
the game should be fun no matter what you are playing it with
Dude, I know you're not a huge fan of the bigger rules 9th age does - but there's a bunch of 'tiers' out there now. 'Model Agnostic' is the future. Community driven or small garage-band style indie rules writers are the future. Tie this all together with 3D printing and its quite revolutionary.
Check out Essence of war - the core of ranks and flanks, in 30 pages, played in an hour.
The hobby is about to get really different because of one-page rules, and others like it.
How do you find people to play with, as a beginner? I'm painting up a couple of skirmish units for one page rules, but I don't know anyone who plays it and I'm brand-new to wargaming. Playing alone should be fun, but it would be good to find other people too.
As a board gamers, back in the SPI days, I always looked for a set of rules which were no longer than 12 pages. The print was small, at 3 columns, but two pages were normally charts and tables and some room was used for TOC, introduction and designers notes, or scenarios.
When I got into figure-gaming the rules was either so terse they required deep though to understand, or they were so long as to be overwhelming. I think 1 page is too short, but short rules are good.
Why do you spray the models and bases with (?perhaps water) after you superglue to bases?
A buddy of mine tried to get me into Warmachine/Hordes but... despite the lack of models needed for the game to function, I realized that I'd be getting into the hobby about the same as I would for 40k or AoS, so I pretty much delved into those, kept a mind on what I was buying... heck, even bought the 9th edition recruit box by splitting the cost between my fiance and I so that we each only had to pay $25 to start playing 40k. She took the necrons because I was planning to use the space marines and she's already working on a beautiful paint job with metallic paints in a warm color scheme centered around Rose Gold
You raise an interesting point luke, especially about trying to keep things simple. I'm in the process of painting a very small force of stormcast eternals and with the amount of detail painting them is like wading through treacle.
I dont even play RPGs of any sort. But building terrain for others is my escape. I LOVE making my own world and escaping to it. Great vid, as usual, cheers!
Getting back into painting and wanted to play but didn’t know if 9th Ed. was for me. I found OPR and I’m so excited because now I can play Space Dwarves using the Mantic miniatures. I’m also excited about playing alternating units
I totally agree. I am new to the game system, while I have played D&D with the same group for the better part of 20 years. But OPR got me into it and my friends. The proxy and self printing system let's me choose what army I want to field. I have models from 10 different creators. I love being a bit random. The rules are simple, but very difficult to master. Simplicity makes it super easy to do a pick up game with a new player, that is the best.
Can i ask, what were you usin to fix the models to the board before spray painting them?
I used to play 40k when I was at school, but that was well over a decade ago. I have returned to painting warhammer models and have even learnt to play Middle Earth. But 40k has so far eluded me because it's far more complicated than I remember it ever being. I'm not a strong reader so the rule book is daunting, and my memory is crap meaning I can't seem to keep the rules in my head for long, and even during a single game, i'm constantly forgetting my models stats. I tried Kill team out as an easier alternative, but even that I struggle with. I remember 40k being a simple move, shoot, close combat, done affair. Now there are command points, specialist rules, titans, flyers, keywords, so on. It's a lot to take in.
I find the almost monthly rules updates just way too much to keep up with.
I don't have a pile of shame either. Just a back log of minis (a lot) I can turn to if I feel like painting them. I like to buy from small companies and one thing I've come to realize is that if I don't buy the minis I like now, I often miss the chance later, if say, the company goes out of business or the minis get discontinued.
2-3 hours for a 40K game is too much! I love painting the models and the lore, books etc but I enjoy playing Warcry, you only need 4-10 models, a board and some terrain. Easier rules and faster gameplay. I also backed the kickstarter "Mythic Battles Ragnarok" skirmish game. It has beautiful miniatures and is really fun to play.
Courses for horses, many people get into tabletop for many different reasons. Some love lore, some love meta, some love painting minis or just building stuff. I think GW still has it's place for veteran and new.
Not everyone has a place in their wallet for GW.
@@cams.2083 Nowadays, GW is for people who want to field a $200 statue instead of an army.
Totally agree. It is freeing to know you can use whatever you want with whatever you want.
Cheap, solid, fun rules + whatever minis you want > GW.
think its a valid argument - sometimes simple is what you want especially at differing skill levels or if beers etc are involved
Had to watch because I wondered how someone could take over 9 minutes to say "no" but three seconds in I'm wondering if I've shifted into an alternate dimension.