Is Vocaloid Dead?
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2024
- This was a subject a lot of you guys brought up to me in videos where I talk about Vocaloid and on my fan server. It's actually an interesting conversation. Is Vocaloid really did? Otherwise known as: Did Yamaha kill Vocaloid with Vocaloid 5? Let's find out!
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The short answer is yes. The long answer is no, it's just not as big as it was in the mid 00s and early 10s
I think she is talking about Yamaha's software platform not about "Vocaloid" scene (not Vocaloid anymore)
I really hope the vocaloid and it’s community doesn’t die. I have a very big attachment to the characters and producers. I’ve loved it for almost 8 years by now. All I can hope is Yamaha turns it around and keeps it alive. Here’s to the hopeful future. ❤️
i think were already past that point. miku and her friends are all moving to NT, and others like gumi and IA aren't being updated at all.
@@VocalSynthUtau IA has been updated actually! She recently got an English voicebank for Cevio.
Apparently IA's English was supposed to be for Vocaloid 4 but I guess some stuff with Yamaha fell through.
@@WeebaLu thats true. but her japanese voicebank hasnt been updated in many years right? and its not like it ever will be because it seems like they moved from vocaloid to cevio.
and from the promotional stuff 1st place co is putting out, they seem focused entirely on the talkbanks now anyway.
Utau:
@@WeebaLu don't worry. Vocaloid is still alive
i feel like vocaloid is just kinda stuck. especially with the video games and the live shows. the rhythm games are stuck in a loop of reselling the classic songs from 2009-2013 (excluding the 10 new tracks from Megamix). and while new songs are played at Magical Mirai, it just feels like they’re running out of songs to use. and with all these companies dropping from Vocaloid™ i’m a bit nervous LMAOO. maybe it’s just a bad year for vocaloid, hopefully they bounce back. 🤷♂️ i think vocaloid is still alright in the end, but it’s definitely not as big as it was in 2010-2013.
The MEIKAs are carrying the whole engine, best thing about it
I know! I stan them >:D
@@NyanGelatOak sameee
Mikoto is better
@@Sinc3r3ly Yes
1 year later and this didnt age well.
T-T I don’t want Vocaloid to die! We all have to much of attachment to these characters for Them to go away now!
The engine may die but the fandom wont
I really love vocaloid.I listen to vocaloid everyday,it’s my go-to music.If vocaloid is really dead I will be very sad😢😭
well we do have other engines
@@inotfunny8506 That's true! While I don't like Cevio that much, Synth V is very impressive and Utau has been blowing my mind recently!
Tsunami Jaegerjaquez same my lists are just vocaloid and j pop
Also that sucks about gumi because she's one of the best voices for English. At least her V4 will always exist.
Her V4 is awesome! I agree, she does have one of the best English voices in the market for sure.
What about Eleanor Forte
@@itsyuuki Omg yasss
I guess for English yes she’s great but I feel like she’s very overrated
Well, Internet Co. LTD seems to be releasing a SynthV, which is Cul's sister, so there may be a possibility that GUMI may end up going the way that Stardust did.
Me: How about I'll try Vocaloid And Join the Community
Vocaloid: *Maybe Ded*
You should join the community! Just stay away from drama because suprisingly there's a lot of fighting about ships lol
Reaaalklyyy?
I’ve been here for years and I haven’t seen much war in this community...
Probably because I’m just enjoying the music and the singing and playing around with covers and tuning and just partying with my bbies
@@itsyuuki Yea people fight more than you would think lol.
Hi! Welcome! I also just joined a few months ago but i wish i had joined earlier :,)
Vocaloid is life where’s the community at though
with all the crazy stuff happening in 2020 i wouldn’t be surprised to see vocaloid 6 being announced and the whole thing blowing up again
I thought I was the only one who was wondering if Yamaha would release Vocaloid 6
The fandom will be strong
I agree!
Is something truly dead if you love and remember it?
Even if the engine dies. The community will keep it alive in the east and west . I mean take team fortress 2 . Valve doesn’t make games that much but tf2 is still popular. So I have hope for it
The crypton characters are all going to receive updates, just for a different engine. Which is a good thing because they are trying to make the characters sound like their original selves, unlike v4x which made luka and miku sound nothing like themselves
I don't think is dead, the fandom on Insta & Tumblr is very active, Twitter too! Even though there are not many big releases, talkloids, fanart and memer channels are growing
It's an average time, I would say
Or maybe, i'm just in denial
The only thing I found interesting in V5 were Hime and Mikoto.
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VOCALOID is never going to die while I'm alive😎😎😎
honestly, the answer really depends on what you're talking about. the vocaloid engine itself is dead; yamaha can't compete with other voice synthesizers that are currently on the rise, such as synthv, deepvocal, voiceroid, and crypton's new engine.
however, the fandom itself is still very much alive! vocaloid producers are still working hard to create songs every day, and there will always be new songs that get popular now and then, just like back in the days. personally, i think that it isn't important whether yamaha cares about the software or not; as long as vocaloid songs are still uploaded and viewed, the community will still thrive and stay alive. plus, most voice synthesizer companies are still very active; crypton just released miku nt's prototype, ahs is releasing a new voiceroid, vsinger is still doing many collabs, gynoid is still active promoting their loids, quadimension has been uploading a lot throughout the past few days, and first place is still planning out their concerts and events. that being said, the vocaloid fandom is definitely still alive. the hype might not be as big as it used to be, but it's still active to this very day.
for the longest time, i've always thought that maybe from now on we should call the fandom the voice synthesizer fandom instead? since, y'know, the vocaloid engine is dead and it can't really be the standard for voice synths anymore. what we can do is move on and try to adapt to this turn of events; vocaloid isn't the only voice synthesizer out there, and we must accept that fact and embrace the existence of all the other voice synthesizers. even though the engine's dead, miku will still stay popular as long as crypton continues on advertising her, so why would we worry so much? the vocaloid software might be dead, but remember that this is a community-focused fandom; as long as we keep supporting producers, both old and new, we can keep the community alive for as long as ever.
wow, ur so optimistic that u gave me hope about the future lol... agree 100%
I was so desperate I am vocaloid fan since 2016 and I was going to my first concert this year and I was really planning it but covid hit and I ofc couldn't go and they say the fandom is dead which made me really sad because I grew with vocaloid and they say the it's dead
@@thisgal8821 the fandom isn't dead! it's still very active in platforms such as amino, twitter, instagram, and soundcloud. i hope you still can attend a vocaloid concert next year ^^
@@spectrumbookstuff9800 Thank you! ^^
I agree 100%
Just cuz the Vocaloid engine itself is dead doesn't mean the fandom dies with it.
SynthV is on a great path. It's missing some things (like a good vocal fry and growl), but it's fantastic otherwhise.
Utau is still around and there r still new users joining and new voicebanks being made. The voicebank quality also improved drastically over the years.
And Crypton is also working on their engine
So I don't think the vocal synth programs will die any time soon. I'm staying positive that things r gonna be ok as long as the community is still here!
Even if Vocaloid’s dead I’ll still like it
The fandom will keep vocaloid alive when the engine dies
4:45 Actually, that’s not quite right. The new Piapro Studio is just called “Piapro Studio STANDALONE”, and it will be using an _entirely_ new synthesis engine developed completely in-house _completely_ separate from VOCALOID. Crypton is separating from VOCALOID altogether. “NT” ( which stands for “New Type”, so Miku NT is Miku “New Type” ) just seems to be the moniker they’re attaching to the new voicebanks that are now being made for the new Piapro Engine.
I was a fan in elementary then i stopped because my parents didnt like it and they also thought it was hentai. They made me take my vocaloid poster down in 5th grade lmao. Now im about to be a freshman in high school and during quarantine i got back into it and i even have the full project diva future tone game 💀 idk why now my parents aren’t spazzing out
This title made me a little sad :(
*What I believe is that VOCALOID is in the "inactive state."*
VOCALOID isn't really dead but inactive. There's still plenty of producers making songs and there are even new fans too; recently, it was "active" in China. Like how VOCALOID was at a peak around the 2010s but with VSIINGER VOCALOIDs.
Kinda like Minecraft. It was big in the 2010s, "died down," and resurged last year.
And kinda like K-Pop, which was big in the 2010s, kinda died down, then resurged in the past few years as the Western Hemisphere became invested in it; before K-Pop was big in the Philippines back then.
I do agree V5 has been inactive. Our last update was a year ago, not like the regular monthly or a few months gap with V3 and V4.
YAMAHA has been taking a new step with VOCALOID Artificial Intelligence. They revived Hibari Misora's voice this way.
Companies have been leaving YAMAHA for their own work and affiliations, like Crypton, 1st PLACE, Quadimension, Zero-G, PowerFX, you name it.
Honestly, I think it will become active again, with an entirely new generation of VOCALOIDs and fans alike. And VOCALOID companies. -However, we give a veteran certificate for those who were here since the 2010s.-
Music is something that lives on. There will be changes, but lives on. Besides, there are plenty of new producers, like me.
*TL;DR: VOCALOID is "inactive" now but will be "active" again with an entirely new generation of VOCALOIDs, fans, producers, and companies alike.*
I didn't keep up with vocaloid for a long time now but it's still really sad to witness the whole decline since I'm still absolutely in love with the vocaloids themselves and it's just very sad to watch them and the community die :/
If vocaloid does die. I just hope my favorite producers like crusher-p, Ghost and pals, R.I.P, Kira, circus-p, etc keeps making music because they're the only music's I listen to besides electro swing;; this sucks
I think so! Crusher-P doesn't really make Vocaloid music anymore but she actualy helps with with The Living Tombstone! GHOST has always been experimental so I'm sure they'll always make their funky beats!
@@WeebaLu that's good. Some I know won't probably leave the fandom. They have a lot of music to offer still and I'm sure they aren't going anywhere anytime soon
If only ghost would make some music..
Edit: I probably sound really rude forgive me but I'm really salty at them for personal reasons (mainly them costing me money for their mistakes when it came to shipping their merch and when I asked for a refund because the charms were broken they were all like "haha too bad I didn't know this would happen")
@@cristalat101 ghost is my fav vocaloid prouducer but i am sorry that had happend also,
i love your username ssgdg
Remember when we was patiently waiting for a male CV04 voice to be released over 7 years ago.
ha ha...
I miss those days ;-;
Mood T_T
I wish people would get more into vocaloid, even if they get into the older stuff. The vocaloid community is honestly a pretty great community
There's so many songs from 8-12 years ago that have like less than 10k, 5k views here on YT
(I was on a nostalgia trip for songs I used to listen to and was kinda shocked by their viewcount on yt,
considering they've been uploaded long ago. But it's possible the songs are just more popular on nico or something)
so there's a lot of treasures for newcomers to dig :D
I Mean I Don't Like Vocaloid But It's Dead. K-pop Has Kinda Harassed It China-Pop Is Just Beating it And Then Euro Dance comes Around And Just Blasts It Into it's Grave.
@@GodpraisethePALANTINE The only music I recognized that you mentioned is K-pop. Vocaloid still is popular, just not in the same way as before
I just feel a little confused and a little bit worried about Vocaloid but I'm hoping and praying it's not dead
2 years later Vocaloid 6 came in with some New Gumi VoiceBanks
As long as there are some fans and admirers, Vocaloid will never truly die.
I knew the Vocaloid engine was dead the minute the mumble rap tutorial video came out.
But seriously. When V5 first came out, I was excited and looking to buy it. But then my friends used it and said it wasn't worth the money so I didn't get it. I'm perfectly fine tuning in V4, and so are many people. I think that's why Vocaloid won't truly die. I think the engine is pretty much dead. But as long as people are still making covers and songs, Vocaloid, as a community, will stay alive.
R.I.P gakupo and Gumi.
Gapuko will not have a English voicebank and gumi will never have a voicebank uptade.
yeah, gumi is dead. say that to her new vocaloid 6 voicebank.
The true problem is no one except the creators know how to properly use the engine. If you've used V4, V3 you will definitely see the difference while using V5. It is lot more smooth than other engine.
2. The velocity parameter preset is set higher, so V4, V3 voicebanks sound more robotic in V5. Solution is to reduce it to 64 or even lower (the velocity parameter is completely reworked and works differently compared to V4)
3. Exciter parameter is being abused. It was intended to use at few parts(starting/ending) of a note to produce vocal cracks. But everyone uses it like Brightness parameter which makes the loid sound worse. reducing it gives semi falsetto effect/ reduces vocal tension
4. no one is talking about the reworked Breathiness and Air parameter. Air parameter can be used to give release breaths while breathiness can be used to give whisper tone. They are abused same as Exciter and got complaints
5. expression control is a very useful thing that no one uses
6. same goes for attack and release effects (V5 voicebanks have extra phonemes which can be accessed from there). Breath out, advanced growl for V3
7. AI Breath will adapt according to each VB if we set the type of vocal and pressure
8. I still can't understand singing style, it alters our tuning and tunes itself at some points
9. Hundreds of sample files and Misc audio to use in songs
The problems are
less advertisement
need more resources to run smoothly
aimed at professional users
Vocaloid is not dead, saying this means you are ignoring the people who are working hard to give frequent updates and next engine development (yeah, They want to be the only one to create VB for their next engine)
Welp I just joined The Vocaloid Community in 2019,after I hear the Ievan Polkka in the trailer of Just Dance since 2016,because I used to make Vocaloid Stuff together with Object Show but sometimes PVZ and somewhat TF2 related,but not anymore because I was going to reupload the private videos so that some/few new peoples will start or give a credits to others and download it on MP3,but for now on I don't want The Vocaloid Community is be dying,they tried their best on covering characters and I actually love all this kind of stuffs and forget about the toxicity!
Yohio reading the question caught me happily off guard
I actually think that the UA-cam Vocaloid community is growing a bit. UA-camrs like Minenemi, Tanjiro Taidana, ubnubmaster, Marce Cloud 39, and well, you gather Vocaloid fans and prove that the fandom is still kicking. (Which is good that there’s more Vocaloid orientated channels because most of the others post Nico Nico mirrors and haven’t uploaded in like 11 years)
I remember those glorious first few weeks in '11 after I learned about Vocaloid purely by chance. (I saw someone play Po Pi Po on a bootleg Beatmania IIDX machine and for some reason I had to know more.) This was the era of the Crypton six, Gakupo, Gumi, Miki, Yuki, Kiyoteru, Lily, VY1, Iroha, Piko, and VY2, and... I can't stress this enough... *all of them* had great songs by dedicated producers. Every one. I couldn't load these songs fast enough. And then there was the big announcement of what nearly everyone was pegging as really big things, Yukari and Ia. I remember the first time I watched Setsu Getsu Ka and that MMD Cup video of Ia Ia Night of Desire. I just about freaking melted. A phenomenon that was already hotter than a nuclear reactor core (tons of incredible MMD videos, too) and these two sultry angels come along. Talk about the rich getting richer.
Time passed. The new crop, Cul, Mayu, Anon & Kanon, Galaco, Yohioloid, Merli. Didn't blow me away, little I'd consider really impressive, but collectively still plenty of good songs. More time passed. Older Vocaloids getting misused more and more (none taking it harder than Yukari and Ia). Newer ones, Arsloid, Stardust, Azuki, Matcha, not connecting with producers. Project Diva falling into familiar bad habits.
Which brings us to the present, where everyone from Lumi onward is a nonentity (Seriously, what is even the point of Komachi?), most of the old second-stringers have long since crumbled into nonentities, Miku and a few others have sucked the air out of the room with the intensity of a jet engine, and new producers are left with a devil's bargain, use one of the giants and get lost in the crowd or use an obscure Vocaloid and get ignored. Meanwhile, Utauloid, that formerly undeserving weak sister, has advanced in leaps and bounds, allowing producers to create outright masterpieces (look up Death Ohagi and prepare to get blown away) with *none* of Vocaloid's terrible baggage.
Vocaloid used to be the coolest thing on the planet. Now its time has passed and it's time to move on. Nothing lasts forever.
Sad
Back in the early days, whenever there was a new Vocaloid release, people would create discussions about them, make memes about them, give them character items, etc., it honestly showed that the fandom back then cared about the characters and the concept of Vocaloid itself. But nowadays I don't see the same energy towards any new voicebank release
You forgot about Quadimension who moved to the Synth V engine, though Shanghai HEIAN (idk if I spelled it correct) is still going to make voicebanks.
Also, as long as certain Vocaloid producers like Kikuo and Mitchie continue producing, we won't die soon. Hopefully the less popular producers are noticed due to the drama though.
Dang now I really wish I got into vocaloid sooner than now like I have friends that love vocaloid that I’ve known for 5 years now but I myself didn’t fully get into it until last month when I started playing project diva mega mix (I am addicted to that game and the music)
I entered the fandom last year and I just can't live without Vocaloid anymore
If it dies, I'll probably die too
I think that term "Vocaloid" is dead, but the voicesbanks are still living. Jugding by Cryton approach, they want to continue in their own way, plus now Miku and her friends are called "Virtual Singer" rather than Vocaloid.
I don’t want it to die!! I just joined!! And I’m already so attached...
Seriously! I love vocaloid too... I can't even explain how it makes me feel
@@ak7v4quitted59 I think it’s reviving little by little :))
@@chiaisannoying I don't know if it will ever get that kind of peak again but I don't want the last vocaloid producers to stop ;(
@@ak7v4quitted59 I know what you mean..
thank you so much for discussing this! i was expecting it to be like “oh the fandom isn’t like how it used to be” and blah blah blah but no you actually covered how the companies are doing and stuff so thank you. i’m young right now and i wish i was born earlier to experience vocaloid when is was super popular, but oh well i guess. also about using vocaloid 5 to its full potential, i totally felt that, like when kyaami made scattered glass with meika mikoto i was like “YES FINALLY AN ORIGINAL SONG WITH HER ACTUALLY SHOWING WHAT SHES CAPABLE OF”
as vocaloid dies at least crypton’s piapro is still being worked on hard, i hope piapro will be able to bring other companies classic banks into NT as well so at least all the classics will live on
That's why crypton released the new Miku NT, they want people to love our idols, but if V5 it's not the software. Let's keep the fandom alive, that's what's important.
The entire UTAU community now is like: Yes comrade, our time has come.
" we all know internet co. is dead, let's be real here.... We all know internet co. is dead, let's be real here."
glad I'm not the only one who noticed that lol
When things slip through the cracks while you're editing :')
me, getting back in vocaloid after 5 years: *cries*
I wouldn't really say it's really dead yet, we're all just sort of stuck. Yamaha isn't getting anyone hyped up about anything and, as someone said here already, it seems like the MEIKAs are carrying Vocaloid 5. MegaMix seems to be Crypton's last hurrah with Vocaloid before moving all focus to Piapro Studio, with many other voicebanks not receiving updates, and I haven't noticed many notable new producers appearing as of late...
Once again, I join a fandom as its flame begins to burn out, but here's to hoping someone can come along and reignite it not to far in the future!
I really don't want vocaloid to die, i just joined the fandom a few months back, i hope that it doesn't.
Hey if vocaloid the engine dies that doesn’t mean the fandom will die
You should stay. It’s fun here, and though people may be leaving you can still enjoy the bounties of this community it’s not going to go anywhere
Yeah, I can still enjoy all the songs.
Vocaloid pls dont die, I just started hearing your music :(
The only reason why I bought 5 was for the MEIKAs. 5 is my very first engine and I thought it was cool that there was already made assets to add to the voicebanks when they sang, since I'm new and have little experience with getting a voice to sound like I want it to. But, with using all the assets, most of them sound like hot garbage fire and, while one can be really soft one second, I find that the next one I move to blasts my ear drums the next. It's really hard to get a consistent volume level when testing these things.
I'm also experiencing a problem where, despite having both Mayu and GUMI installed, they're not where selecting the voice banks should be. Instead, I have to start on the song and navigate through a couple of tabs to be able to select them as the singer.
The last thing I experienced was one of my songs ended up going missing, despite having saved the project multiple times.
It's absolutely frustrating and I wish I would've used my money for 4 instead, since it seems so much more stable. :/
I just rejoin the vocaloid fandom this year....I didn't want the fandom dies,but I don't think that the fandom will not than easily die, like we can still make fanart for vocaloids and cosplay them . I believe if we still love vocaloids,the vocaloid fandom will never die
(sorry for my bad english )
The videos talks about the engine, the community is far from being dead XD
Omg same I saw how different it became to what it once was and it just made me depressed so I came back for my children I joined the fandom in 2010 but after a while school became a priority
Vocaloid is so good, I know artists that are trying to revamp it and are underrated.
I still have hope that Vocaloid will continue on.
There are so much to offer in Vocaloid and I even created a concept of what a new English Vocaloid5 character could look/sound . And it could even sing in Male normal/falsetto voice like Kokone. Now it’s only a concept for people to be interested.
i think vocaloid (Yamaha, in this case) needs to innovate. its been mostly the same "rinse and repeat" if you know what i mean. (???) Making a new engine, making new vocaloids, releasing updates, throw in some shows and events, do it again after ~3-4 years. I believe that yamaha could potentially up their advertising and make vocaloid alot more interesting, and possibly make more out of the characters they have to bring in. with this, they could get more customers and make vocaloid more mainstream (and a lot less niche.) They need some pr advice is all im saying :,,)
I feel like many people from the vocaloid fandom has moved onto other fandoms like k-pop, my hero academia and many other bands and tv shows. It’s rlly sad T-T
Thank you for this video. Though I never really thought that vocaloid was super big outside of Japan anyways. Actually, well known artists still get over a million views and I feel like the japanese community is still into it. Personally, I thought it is just a phase but even after like 10 years, I still listen to the same old (and new) vocaloid songs so I dont think ill ever leave this fandom x)
I think the Vocaloid engine is dying but at the same time virtual singers are on the rise outside of Japan so I don't think it's the end of voice synthesizing programs just yet. I feel like other programs such as CEVIO and NT if it turns out good are gonna end up being more popular than Vocaloid in a couple of years.
It's a shame cause V5 had really cool features but they fucked up with the voicebanks. Instead of releasing 4 new VBs with the engine, they should have focused their already known ones such as Cyber Diva and VY1. Also it's just too expensive for newcomers. It's stupid that you can't purchase just the V5 editor, no, you have to have Ken and the rest with it so it ends up being really high cost.
At least NEUTRINO is a thing now, and it's quite an amazing feat.
The fandom is active and big but only with Miku, Len, Rin, Luka, KAITO & MEIKO, all the others are just . . . forgotten, it's sad i'm a vocaloid fan since 2010 so i remember those days when other vocaloids have more love than cryptonloids. And vocaloids of V5 are *bad* really bAd :P
Vocaloid will never died, because the music always gonna exist, so vocaloid too 👁👄👁
I started to join this community almost 1 year ago, I'm a late and I'm sad that it's a little dead... and I love vocaloids so much! I hope the community will be back :)
I don't think vocaloid will be dead soon, as comunity side, there is still people creating content, either fan art, songs and all. I can understand that company wise there is some stagnation and some producer don't use them that much (well i mean, kikuo kuragep and pinnochioP works sometime with and sometime without vocaloids. Clearly it's not as big as before, but it will never trully end i think
I that vocaloid, as a software line, is on it's deathbed
HOWEEVER
vocaloid, as a community, as a phenomenon, will live on
producers won't just stop making music with this software for quite a while, and also... UTAU exists and is quite popular even after it's creator seemingly abandoned it for years upon years, i'm sure vocaloid can do the same
I also want to liken this to some music scenes, like Goth. Goths still exist even after the hayday of Gothic Rock passed, they just continue to listen to the old stuff and incorporate new emerging genres spawning from it into the goth umbrella.
There are quite a few singing vocal synths that came into being thanks to vocaloid that could take its place as the main synth in the future, just counting off the top of my head (and this isn't including new synths that could come into being in the future, people are passionate about this)
-CeVIO
-SynthV
-Piapro Studio
-Hell, even UTAU
I personally believe if they partnered with internet co (maybe it'd revive them??) and continued to make more games, add more songs, vocaloids, and outfits Vocaloid could really strive as well as continue to get the publication.
Project diva has been a favorite of mine for many years and with megamix getting added to the switch people became more aware of vocaloid. I know this because I had a friend say they never knew about Miku til the game came out and she absolutely loves it!! Granted megamix took out so many songs since the last game.. I'm thinking... it'd definitely continue the fandom and if more songs get added to the games as DLC maybe people would be willing to make more tunes as I know a lot of people stopped making songs because they don't get anything out of it. Imagine the money they'd make, id literally buy every outfit or song I can get my hands on. Maybe they'd have more money to put into their voicebanks (so they can improve the quality not take 10 steps backwards) and have this awesome domino effect. Just my thoughts (or low-key just what I want lol)
omigosh u had otomachi una throughout this vid she is my favorite!
It's Sad Cause Because Hachi Even Said It In he's Lastest Song "Sand Plant" Tbh Alot Of People Find It Offensive Cause ALOT Of Producers Like KurageP ( Probably Not Saying It Correctly Sorry) Was SUPER POPULAR In My Opinion Vocaloid Is Almost Dead "BUT" IA Is ACTUALLY Becoming Really Popular She Even Had Own Concert Which Look Sick Unlike Crypton Who Is Lazy With The Concert 's for Vocaloid ( idk why i Suddenly Talk About Concert XD) Tbh I Feel Like IA And One Are Gonna Take Over Miku's Popularity Any Day Now.
I wouldn't mind if IA took over Miku's popularity since I'm kinda tired of Miku. XD
Ia's Voice Is Actually Calm and Relaxing Compare To Miku I Mean Miku Append Is Relaxing I'm ngl But Sometimes She's Kinda Sounds Irritating.
i hope the vocaloid and utau community wont be dead, i just joined 2 years ago...
I really hope Vocaloid doesn’t ‘die.’ It’s helped me through so much for the past few years and I’ve built connections with some ‘characters.’ It would be a shame for all of this amazing music people have created to just be tossed out eventually.
Something to keep in mind is that a lot of the best producers passed away and vocaloid five in my opinion is more geared towards newer users of the software and they expected experts to keep using v4
At least we just got mega 39s which will hopefully spread and gain some popularity. It still sucks that they screwed up the chart on Mitchie's song tho.
I think that the technology is dying, when vocaloid was released it was crazy good technology for the time (2007,2009). Now we have text to speech everywhere!
Hime and Mikoto sounds amazing though ngl
Damn, I was just getting into it, too. Perhaps it won’t completely die and allow for new voices and producers to rise up in popularity
No I don’t want Vocaloid to die😢😢
This why I joined the vocal synths fandom instead of just sticking with vocaloid
Same, stan UTAU, CeVIO, and Synth V
@@annaferns1840 preech
Stan Alter/Ego, Vocalina, Chipspeech, Niaoniao, MUTA, Sharpkey, Cantor, etc.
Disclaimer! I still didn’t finish the video!
Hope you say no because I got in the Vocaloid community like three months ago and I don’t want it to die right now that I got into it
Ah, I wish I got into Vocaloid sooner, when it was more popular... I know it since 2015 but when I really got into it, Haruno Sora was going to be released soon (so yeah, it was already dying... that's sucks...).
Some parts are dead, but the fandom is still here. There is still new songs, fanarts, collaboration, etc...And even if there is no updates, you can always use the software, despite the problems.
I don't work with all these news channels and product advertisements, what I see is how many new songs we have and how much they slap, all the fanart and fan-made mediatypes which vocaloid is all about.
Not only vocaloid isn't dead but it's getting more popular, and with all of these instruction videos the new fans are more knowledgeable and supportive which also improves the quality of the liveliness
Not to mention the "unpopular thing recommendation" wave that brings attention to less loved producers (Like 23.exe, they're growing good too). So I'm not worried about the future
This is kinda sad, I just started to work with synth v and planed on moving to Vocaloid 5 in the future... I want Vocaloid 5 because well it's vocaloid however after hearing some of the downsides the only thing that's really holding onto me getting it is Hime and Mikoto
i dont really care. the v4xs and EVECS were a disaster, Crypton couldn't maintain continuity between the voicebanks. also yamaha has zero clue how to market their product, no one is going to get hyped about exciting characters like "chris". Vocaloid 5 deserves to die. We still have UTAU, V synth, cevio, neutrino and soon NT. Crypton acknowledges their mistakes with the V4s and is trying to make the characters sound like themselves again. And Crpyton knows how to market the characters, look at all the sponsorships, commercials, and merchandise they make.
i would say that in general, character based vocal synthesis has a brighter future than it did 2-3 years ago. Yahama is a dinosaur company and their time has past.
Wait, so what happens to the main 5 and other characters like Gumi?
@@monogramsekai main 6 will be alive!!! They will just have a different program. Gumi,Gakupo and another Vocaloid from different companies probably will be dead :''')
About the thing with voice color: it’s not very good if you use the presets that Yamaha gives you. Voice color becomes pretty good if you adjust individual parameters based on the needs of each vocal library and your tuning style.
For example: I made a custom color for Rin that makes her sound more cute and like an idol. Whereas for Fukase, I made a color that’s very soulful and contains a moderate amount of growl.
I’m not trying to back Yamaha up or anything, because they really threw V5 under the bus. But I think that voice color did a lot of good for the engine.
I love how much you used Otomachi Una-
Accualy , if we ....the fandom...... keep insist, made more videos like this and keep that lil hope to back glory days. yamaha might fix some issues and i prefer if they call some producers to help out and give some ideas for the editor and extra ideas and teach the devolopers in tunning and how to make vocaloid sound realastic and also prefer if yamaha uptade his own voicebanks characters and got an official illustrator . not mentioned, to not make new vocaloids voicebanks unless it was in another language .'cause in my openion the easiest way to save the fandom and cummunity is by making voicebanks able to sing for exemple : french,arabic,russian,filipino..ect and level up the capibility and the power of english voicebanks to sounds lil more like famous pop stars and the last thing is making voicebanks voiced by utaites because if the utaites didn't existe the fandom would be dead from a long while and thats it and i hope yamaha would do this things
Yes please. And there are a lot of features I want to be added.
Synthesizer V has the overlay function with an extra tuning parameter and Emvoice has greatly improved with MIDI Listen Mode.
@@cybergalacticnova yeah synthesizer V is cool and it might hang popularity it used more
You never really know what could happen, but that worries me. I got into Vocaloid almost 2 years ago, which isn’t too long ago, so I don’t want it to start dying so soon.
i’ve been in the fandom for not very long, but if it dies it would feel like my best friend died cause i have a way to big attachment to the characters haha.~
If the engine dies that doesn’t mean the fandom dies
It's sad that Vocaloid seems to be dying because Vocaloid was the highlight of my childhood (especially the Lenku ship and other Project Diva/Mirai games). I remember Cleopatra Wolf, googoo888, Karins Channel, etc. I hope new companies come and make Vocaloids. The problem is, Vocaloids are expensive to make like you stated so that's one of the main problems. I've seen some new producers joining the community though so that's good. I think another reason why the fandom is dying is because of the newer Project Diva games (mainly Megamix). Think about it, the main reason why people know Vocaloid is because of Project Diva. Project Diva, 2nd and Extend were hits when they came out. Then out came Project Diva F and F2nd which are probably the most popular Project Diva games in the series. There were also some spinoffs like Miku Flick and Project Mirai. Project Diva X is when the series seemed to go down hill. The story mode is bland (but it makes sense because Vocaloids don't have a set personality so it doesn't really bother me). The 30 songs were alright, but most of it was Miku. Rin, Len and Luka all got one solo and Kaito and Meiko didn't even get a solo! Plus, they removed the Diva Room and Edit Mode which seems to be the main reason why people hated it. Future Tone then came out and it got much better ratings than the last game. Had over 200 songs for a good price in my opinion, a bunch of modules, and so much more! The only problem is that they removed the Diva Room and Edit Mode again and you weren't able to communicate with the Vocaloids at all which was kind of saddening. A year later, for Miku's 10th anniversary, Project Diva Future Tone DX released and it was basically just a physical version of Future Tone. Sega got a lot of hate from that game which is understandable because they hyped it up too much imo. Megamix was kinda lazy. It was basically a Nintendo Switch port of Future Tone. Only 10 new songs and 9 are coming to Future Tone anyway. I personally really like mix mode but not a lot of people liked it. Touch mode is hard af imo.
But I really hope Vocaloid doesn't die. Maybe it's just a bad year and once 2021 hits, it'll start growing again. Plus, there's new people joining the fandom almost everyday. I think the fandom itself is safe, but Vocaloid as in the engine is gonna have to work harder because it's dying, and pretty fast too.
Me:*sees title* I hope not!?
I've been in the fandom for roughly 5 years... I really hope the fanbase never dies and producers continue doing their songs and don't pull a full HACHI. Because some of the producers I know are utaites and HACHI began with vocaloid then went full singing. I wouldn't mind because its utaites but then vocalloids I- jdyjgyerd4fevi
Vocaloid 5 without their flagship Miku will never surpass Vocaloid 4 any time soon. The big Miku producers will continue to use V4 or will work with NT once it's fully developed.
I really hope it's not dead! A couple months ago, i just came back into this community, and i dont wanna leave it again because it's so dead. ;( Also, unrelated to what i just said, I think they were just trying to test out something new and they wanted the public's opinion about it! If they continue with vocaloid, and make a V6, they might change around some things and try to fix their mistakes on what they think they went wrong with V5.
I’d simp for her voice. It’s really smooth and adorable
There should be a new korean male vocaloid coming out, which is pretty neat (I've not been keeping up on it so idk if it's still being made)
Hey, weebalu!
I was wondering,
Since crypton is "breaking away" from VOCALOID does that mean there will be concerts still? Just worried- >-<
Edit : The title made me real sad-
of course not, they have Piapro so why would they?
@@inotfunny8506 No clue, just I'm worried since I got really into vocaloid this year-
@@lexis2573 all thats happening is the crypton characters are moving from the vocaloid editor to crypton's own NT editor. so they will no longer be "vocaloids", but they will still be the same characters and sound the same. in fact, from what we've heard of NT so far, Miku sounds more like her original voicebank than she did as a V4.
@@VocalSynthUtau That doesn't explain the question, but they won't be called "VOCALOIDs" anymore? May I ask why? .
@@lexis2573 @@lexis2573 they are called vocaloids because their voicebanks (what's used to make music) are made for the Vocaloid Editor (vocal synthesis software). Now Crypton is making their own editing software (called NT or Piapro) which miku's new voicebank is being made for. So she won't be associated with the vocaloid editor anymore.
The Program? Yes.
The Fandom? Heck no! We're still here n vibing! I'm still gonna love Vocaloid! I've been a fan for about 6 years! ❤
Also another thing, there are MANY Vocaloid songs being released, but there's not..A lot of translators,,,which kinda sucks :((
I don't think it's dying. I actually think it's reviving in 2020. I'm an artist (drawing kind) and I've seen the art community do something called "Miku redraw challenge" It's self explanatory. Almost every artist that has participated has gone back to listen to Vocaloid and got back into it because of memories (like me :D)
Thanks so much for updating us about what's happening to Vocaloid! ^^
I really wanted to know what's going on. And in my opinion, V4 is the best one.
I just starded learning how to use vocaloid 3, lol
I just wanna say I’m sad if Vocaloid dies. It made some of my best friends over the internet. When I’m sad, scared, or practically any other emotion, I listen to Vocaloid. I would not want one of my favorite things crashing. Yes, the fandom will most likely not die (I’ll remember it and pass it on). I just don’t wanna see the engines that they originally appeared on to go.
If it were to DIE GSR Would never have revealed The Car for this years GT3 Championship or wouldn't have announced an official Hatsune miku livery in the NASCAR
I don't think vocaloid will die, but newer V-Synthes are getting more popular (outside Synth V and Cevio I mean) I'm actually making my own V-Synth that intends to bring back the feel of V2-3, Utau and Gen1 SynthV.
I always listened them but now I really started to get into it before I didn't really care about vocaloids just songs were so good. Now everyone is goneee 😿