I'm not surprised how many of you are commenting Kalos or Sinnoh before watching the video the whole way though. It's understandable but I would argue in Sinnoh he was up against Darkrai and in Kalos his team was entirely new. These battles were epic but the losses feel, appropriate . Let me know what you think about my conclusion?
Here's the thing tho, in Sinnoh, it felt really cheap, and there, Ash did exactly the same as he did in Johto: brought pokemon from all over his jounrey. Yes, he did start anew, but he also started incorporating more unorthodox moves into his roster, and Paul was very much a Gary 2.0, the reverse of Ash, both in terms of accomplishments and in training philosophy. Would it have felt nice to see Ash win in the league where he finally beat Gary? Of course it would've, but at least there, Ash only narrowly lost to the better man, whereas in Sinnoh, the equivalent of pay to win gamesharking gary stu waltzed in like he owned the place and proceeded the take a leak onto the whole competition. And plus... Generation 5 was a soft reboot, so Sinnoh felt like the perfect time to let Ash win, and finally retire from the show, but no, the poke-gods said no in fear of their cashcow drying up, and basically unleashed divine retribution onto Ash. Simply put, Sinnoh sticks out more due to the Rivals, the thematic relevance, and how ungodly unfair his loss was.
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Finally someone who agrees with me that he should have won Johto like Red in the games and then have the series end...….sadly they didn't do that :( Also Lyconrock, not Melmetal won him the league.....Melmetal defeated NOONE and was KO'ed lol
Simply put, he SHOULD have brought back old pokémon to Kalos. The whole gimmick of Kalos is mega evolution and they missed the opportunity to let Ash mega evolve old favorites. I know mega evolution is kinda overpowered but you can use it in the game after 3 gyms! On top of that, they let Ash use z moves in Alola, so no excuse for not using megas imo. Ash should have surprised us by using mega charizard Y in the last battle against Alain. That would have been beyond epic!
I think he should have won Sinnoh, I still think that was his strongest team, especially when he brought previous pokemon and they just through a Darkrai at him just so he could lose. That's not the same as with Gladion's Sylvally, Darkrai is a much stronger pokemon, and I don't think his Alola team would have won in that tournament. However, to me, I don't really mind too much that he didn't win, because the battle between Ash and Paul is still my favourite anime battle in the entire series.
Pokemon league conference is different from pokemon league. That's why the orange league doesn't count. Harrison also had a post region team. But I see where you are coming from.
@@EA-bv8zk At least the anime took the time for us to know Alain. By the time he first meets Ash, we know everything about his character assuming you watched the Mega Evolution specials. Compared to other trainers in the anime, he's insanely powerful. Tobias comes out of absolutely nowhere with no backstory or buildup. He doesn't get any screentime until the battle against Ash.
Esteban Maysonet that brings up the question though, if Alain just showed up like Tobias did would the community have accepted it or would they thought it was also bullshit. If we met Tobias early in the series would he have been accepted as the Darkrai trainer that beat Ash or a bullshit plot device that a lot of people consider him as
Directors in the board room: "Ash is going to win this league! What can do we do?!" "Well... How about a random dude with a tonne of legendaries!" "Promote this man"
@@BirdKeeperToby Let's be honest, Tobias's character is incredibly stupid. They just created him as a reason for Ash to lose so they could use their usual concept of, "oh he lost this league, let's try in the next region!".
They had originally planned on Ash winning Sinnoh League with Paul being the final match and then Ash would compete in the Champion league and eventually become a Pokemon master but they decided that it was to popular to stop so they just continued the games and same can be said for Kalos so nough said
Kalos and Sinnoh definitely. They didn’t have to bring in some random for sinnoh to sweep everybody, and kalos literally spent the entire series seeing how an impossible ash-Greninja form is so powerful with the bond of friendship. Winning against Alain would have proven their strength. Don’t know why it took them 7 generations for them to let him win and move on regardless. Unfortunately the gen7 league was not a strong league. The gen7 anime wasn’t good with battling in general. Not a bad anime, but battling is not what it’s about at all. Even though he technically won a league, the battle frontier and orange islands were still bigger accomplishments. Edit: Yes I always wished that Harrison came back in the Hoenn series, at least at the end to rematch Ash. It wasn’t so much “Hoenn Pokémon are stronger,” but more so ash didn’t know what to do against them. So he needed to discover more Pokémon. Similar to how he won the battle frontier and then Gary beat him with an Electivire.
idk ash-greninja is just bs as tobias imo. If he had won that it would feel like he only won because he's the main character and not because he's a good trainer.
Tra-guy D Yes But ash-Greninja was actually a unique phenomenon and we saw the bond build up for him throughout the entire series. Obviously he is not impossible to beat whether or not he lost the league, we saw him lose before. Alain at least was a built up rival unlike Tobias, but it’s a rival Ash never defeated. Plus, he never won before. Obviously he would’ve won for being a good trainer and not because he’s the main character, otherwise he would’ve won every league. Unfortunately the one he finally wins is the weakest league. But maybe the fact it was weak is why they let him win.
@@rusty8311 Alola wasn't weak like you think Ash actually worked to get his victory he had to beat powerful trainers like Hau, Guzma, and Gladion. The last two more so than Hau, because Hau is a Cameron rip off, but wasn't as lazy as Cameron.
Looking at his 6 alolan pokemons they deserve to win him league as much as sinnoh team or Ash-Greninja, Ash bond with Pikachu is much stronger than anyother pokemon so pikachu deserves more.
Johto was too early in his career. That one felt like he was still in the midcard to use a wrestling analogy. Sinnoh and Kalos felt more like he would earn his victory the hard way.
Not if the show ended or changed protagonist right after. Losing a league, winning a pseudo league then finally winning a real league (against Gary maybe?) would have been a perfect arc for Ash. But losing 5 leagues in a row was maybe a bit redundant.
he would have won in sinnoh if that guy with likely a full team of legendarys did not exist. he was only made cause the writers knew that they had to cheat to make ash lose.
I wanted ash to win against a guy with full team of legendaries with his best possible team, that would actually satisfying . Even brendin had the regi trio but ash defeated brendons four pokemons with three non- evolved pokemons(cuz charizard got knocked out early in the battle)
To be honest, Ash should've won the Sinnoh League with his battle against Paul be the finals, but lose to Cynthia or one of the elite four. Than when he competes in the Kalos League while using his previous Pokemon from the other regions until he reaches top 8, he doesn't get screwed over by plot armor and beats Alain. That's what should've happen in my opinion.
Dunno, Alain was doing some stuff outside of the main series that involved the Primals with his Mega Zard, I would 100% say that his Mega Zard is a monster and won that with sheer experience and power alone. Ash-Greninja was strong, but it was basically a hack anyways.
Sinnoh series was the one i watched the most, i watched every single episodes more than two times and i was really into Ash winning Sinnoh league, especially after beating Paul, then Tobias came and ruined my dreams
i think he should have lost to the elite four or cynthia BUT THE KALOS LEAGUE IM MORE SALTY he nearly beat Gardivore without full power ash greninja, if ash blocked the blast burn with the water shuriken, in the smoke double team and areal ace or orange water shuriken mega charizard and win the kalos league.
It's not that "Hoenn Pokemon are stronger" It's "Hoenn Pokemon are something he's NEVER seen before." You try fighting a Pokemon battle where the opponent is using Pokemon you've never seen before and don't know the first thing about
They actually kept that theme up in later seasons when Ash came back to Pallet Town a Battle Frontier champ, then Gary beats him with an Ekectrivire and says "you can't go slacking now Ash just because you beat the Battle Frontier. Their are still so many pokemon out there that you haven't seen yet!" Going to Sinnoh was made out as somewhere to see more pokemon more than it was made out to be a place to face new badge challenges. It's part of what makes it easier to accapt even the seasons Ash does poorly like Unova. He wasn't very strong in Unova, but he was really focused on seeing and catching new pokemon that generation. He caught more pokemon in Unova than he had anywhere else he's been.
@@browncow5210 yeah but I think it's fair to say fighting something new in the leauge is different than fighting a new thing on your adventures in a casual match with random people you've met. The league is filled with trainers who have been training with their pokemon for a while and raising them to there max potential as well as being the best of skilled trainers in general. Fighting a completely unfamiliar opponent in the leauge would be a lot more costly than fighting one normally.
@@danieldishon688 Besides the fact that each time he fights a new Pokemon he uses his Pokedex. He tried to do the same here but, because his Pokedex was outdated, he got no results so he was fighting blindly. He couldn't know that Blaziken was a Fire/Fighting or that Keckleon was Normal.
It's not if you consider that you dont need any consecutive wins. You can lose to each brain then rebattle them. One loss equals losing entire league for the traditional leagues.
And now imagine how Ash returns to the leagues he lost in beating the everlasting daylights out of people while grinning with the whole "Guess who's back" smirk, he's got the experience now, as well as some realy strong hitters, tanks etc. They even could end it with him passing the torch on to someone new, because currently it kind of feels like an endless repitition of failure (due to directors decission that is). I mean what does being a pokemon master really mean? To never lose? To win quite often and get a really deep understanding of pokemon? Is it something that even can be achieved?
I'm really happy he won a league but REALLY. REALLY. Ash-Greninja vs Mega Charizard I KNEW *I KNEW* that the writers were gonna pull some nonsense and have Ash collapse from the pain of taking Greninja's hits thus causing Greninja to collapse and just....ahhhhhhhhh. Dammit. He was SO close. I will forever be salty about that. His team in Kalos and the way he CONSTANTLY thought out of the box was just stunning. He was ROBBED in Kalos darn it lol
@@TheRibottoStudios honestly I liked that ash lost the kalos league. Ash-greninja made ash feel to special imo and it made it feel like other competitors didn't stand much of a chance because of it. It feels like a form just made for ash and greninja. Just the name itself proves that this is was just a way to make ash feel more important and better than other trainers. I would like it if ash won trough skill and not because his pokemon have unique forms that only he can use.
@@tra-guyd5209 How is the Bond Phenomenon (aka what Ash-Greninja is supposed to be) any diffrent from any Mega evolution? If anything it's worse than a regular old Mega because of the connection between trainer and Pokémon it has. Maybe if Ash had a Mega and Ash-Greninja I would agree with you.
I'm not sure about Johto. Yes, it's the only time he has a rival battle in the league with Gary and it would have been cool to see that as the final battle, but the series that preceeded it didn't feel like it was building to that big win. The series that did was Sinnoh. Now, think about it. The Sinnoh arc is the only arc to give any consideration to "What happens next", what happens after you beat the league, win the tournament. Throughout the series they're introducing the Elite 4, giving these characters episodes and, in Flint's case, little mini-arcs to show you how strong these people are. It's the only time that the anime shows all Elite 4 members of a region in that regions anime (Kanto has all of it's Elite 4 members shown but only Bruno shows up in the original Indigo league, Lorelei is in the Orange Islands, Lance in Johto and Agatha doesn't show up until the Frontier arc after Hoenn). They're set up to play a part in the story, but then just sort of don't. You see all of them get stomped by Cynthia at the end of their episodes and that's that. Oh yeah, and they set up Cynthia too, as, you know, this ultra powerful trainer who can stomp even the best of the best. It was like she was set up to be the one to inspire Ash to keep going. He wins the league, scrapes past the elite 4 and then finally loses to Cynthia, before deciding that he still wants to keep going, to keep training, to keep exploring. Then you have his Pokemon. Sure, Ash may have carried more of his Kanto Pokemon with him to Johto (though having said that, Charizard got sent to the mountains to train for most of that time, Snorlax, Tauros, Muk and Kingler never travelled much and Bulbasaur & Squirtle ended up getting phased out as he added more Johto Pokemon to his team, everyone else from Kanto and Orange Islands got released), but Sinnoh saw him actually level up as a trainer. He'd evolve members of his team, he had two fully evolved starters, a Staraptor and a Gliscor, as well as all of his most powerful Pokemon from the previous generations. He'd started using strategies, he taught his Heracross Sleep Talk to counter the Tobias' Darkrai (it didn't work because he missed Megahorn and got Dream Eatered, but if he didn't want to miss he'd have used Pin Missile). In Johto, the story may have felt right, but Ash didn't feel ready. In Sinnoh, they'd laid the story out for it to be his time and he felt ready. It's not even that "oh, he lost to a mythical and a legendary", bull, he'd just come off beating Articuno and all three Regi's (which, sure in actual competitive aren't anywhere near the level of Darkrai or Latios, but this is the anime we're talking about, where it takes an entire army to take on a Regigigas with Slow Start). Hell, there was a guy in the Sinnoh league with a Heatran who didn't even make it past the quarters. We don't even know what Tobias' last 4 Pokemon were, he could have been like that guy with the Marowak in the Indigo saga, a one trick pony. There are ways the story could have played out, plus it would have been very cathartic to see Ash beat Paul in the final battle, not in the same way as seeing him beat Gary, but Paul was a different kind of rival to Gary, his conflict with Ash was more over ideals (set up for BW anyone?) of how to become strong, rather than one guy being better than the other (even though Paul was stronger than Ash throughout). So yeah, just my 2 pennies worth.
Tbh, im glad Ash/Satoshi won, but his victory was kinda not what I hope. Logic: You can't counter Counter using Counter Also, Ash and Kukui were the only trainers with a full team, so even if Ash loss, I can't picture many trainers (except Gladion) battling Kukui
Chris Pole Still doesn’t make it right, especially not when the whole counter counter BS actually won him the league 😅 I don’t mind them using crap like that since it makes sense, but to finish a final match like that... seems almost as cheap as Tobias action replay-ing his way to the trophy 😂
Agreed. Winning a league is impressive but there is so much more to becoming a Pokemon Master. When I think of a Pokemon Master, I think of the likes of Champions like Cynthia. Ash still has a way to go before he's that good!
I think ash deserves the title of Pokemon master, he has been through a lot, and he really showed his prowess By catching a gengar,dragonite and Riolu (I think in one episode)
@@ChonkedCat he has been through a lot but still he shouldn't be regarded as a Pokemon master. He still hasn't even become the best trainer in the world. And it's a recurring theme that being a Pokemon master is much beyond being the best Pokemon trainer
well with the announcement of the anime's arc, we see galar isn't the focus. Its more ash travelling around the regions, probably trying to win the leagues he lost, with much more emphasis on battle. Galar will be in, tho
I think Kalos league would have felt the best to me! (before watching). I see your points but I raise you that ash had ash-greninja. A great team and was more epic, intelligent and awesome than the other series. X/y and X/y and Z was my favorite generation of the anime, more epic and well written/animated/beautiful!
@@fieryicymilkman6098 if you watched the mega special, his mega chara had beaten MANY other mega evolution Pokemon so I'm not surprised that it can beat ash greninja. And plus they had just mastered ash greninja about 4-6 episodes ago.
@@boguslocus @ How do u figure? Both of those leagues ash was the best he's ever been and both had reasons in writing why it would make sense for ash to win. Kalos hyped up ash winning with numerous statements and in sinnoh ash was just an amazing trainer in general.
@@glennrhee7918 Sinnoh Ash should've won because he took advantage of all of his Pokemon and even adjusted their movesets just for the league. Kalos on the other hand was just Ash spamming Greninja while the rest of his team was made into fodder.
@@denickart @ 1. Pikachu won ashs 1st 3 gym battles including tyrunt,vivillon, and a MEGA LUCARIO! In the kalos league beat sawyers aegislash and clawitzer and alains tyranitar and metagross two PSEUDO LEGENDARIES. 2. Talonflame beat one of the psychic gyms meowstic and the fairy gyms sylveon and sawyers slaking and wulfrics avalugg and finally tieing with alains unfezant. 3. Goodra tied with a fairy type,destroyed clemonts luxray, beat tiernos raichu with ease, and had to be taken out by guillotine. 4. Hawlucha a fighting type won at a FAIRY gym and DESTROYED wulfrics abomasnow and beat alains weaville. 5. Noivern ashs WEAKEST kalos pokemon still fucked with a zapdos,tied with a salamence,beat doublade, and went toe to toe with alains metang. "BuT hE OnlY ReLieD oN GreNinjA aNd ThE REsT oF THe TeAm waS FOddEr" honestly when people say this it makes me question if they even wached xyz. Greninja was the ace for sure but it's not like he carried the team the other members could definitely hold there own.
I think making a big deal about Ash winning the Alola league is a bit overblown considering that Alola is more like the Orange Islands than any of the other regions. The premise of the Gen 8 anime, travelling the entire world, means to me that it would make more if Ash ended that series winning a league, as he could put everything learnt from everywhere into one big challenge.
D Kurameno I will be forever salty about ash losing the Kalos league. #Ashshouldhavewonthekalosleague Ash was already keyword champion when he battled kukui. There were no 6 on 6 battles in the alola league. If he had to battle kukui to become champion 1000% none would be complaining about the alola league.
People were FURIOUS his psuedo-legendary ash-greninja lost against a standard charizard. He had type advantage, insane experience (that thing trained harder than any of his pokemon), and special connection that caused a unique evolution. He couldn't beat the charizard but could beat A LEGENDARY POKEMON RIGHT AFTER?! Who then took that pokemon to continue defending the region as it was deemed worthy... I'm sorry, but that wound will never heal.
@@cadyomahony1919 Get your facts straight before you confuse people. Greninja never had type advantage since Mega Charizard X is Fire/Dragon. I might as well add that the anime logic and moves ared different from the games. Speaking of Charizard, that pokemon is anything but standard. It defeated 9 mega pokemon in a row with it and after that went on to battle Malva from the Elite Four and defeat her Mega Houndoom. I am sorry but please do tell, how does that make it standard. That Charizard probably has more battling experience than Greninja. Also, I would like to add that Greninja never defeated a legendary.
@@cadyomahony1919 @ Look I'm mad that ash lost in kalos as much as the next guy but 1. Mega charizard x also has psuedo legendary stats. 2. Ash greninja never beat a legendary pokemon so wtf are u talking about?
I hadn't watched the series, but I do feel like that battle may have been full of Deus ex Machina; granted that the entire main anime series; including the movies; tends to be pretty much Deus ex Machina in itself, lol.
Ignoring the fact that Lycanroc's Counter Counter made no sense. Classy. Also, can we acknowledge the fact that Ash pushing Tobias to his Latios was actually a clever way of saying that if Tobias wasn't there, Ash'd have won the Sinnoh League?
Yeah that's a fact if tobias wasn't in the league Ash would've won sinnoh league too, as the opponent tobias face in final can't even beat his darkrai.
I don't think the complaints about the Alola League are entirely fair. First of all, the Alola League wasn't weak. Yeah, Lillie, Faba, and Team Rocket probably shouldn't have been there, but that's just 4 people. Although it would have been way more satisfying if it had been Brock, Misty, Kahili, and Molayne instead. And yeah, the league didn't have anyone like Tobias. But to be fair, Tobias was a mistake and only existed because the writers needed a convenient way for Ash to lose. As for Hau, yeah, the tactics Ash used did seem dirty and would have made more sense with someone like Guzma, since Ash is supposed to be pure of heart. But regardless, Hau was never going to win that battle, as his entire character is supposed represent Ash back when he was a rookie. Essentially, Ash was supposed to be Hau's Richie. And as for Ash winning by countering a counter? This complaint is ridiculous, and the only reason it's even a thing is because people apply game logic to the anime. For the umpteenth time, THE ANIME DOES NOT WORK LIKE THE GAMES. Remember how Ash's Charizard beat Gary's Blastoise by burning the battlefield? Remember how Ash beat Sawyer by trapping Aegislash with a piece of wood? Oh, and don't even get me started on dodging...
Yet with Poke Amie, PokeCare (whatever it was in gen 7) and Camping, you can build up enough trust to your Pokemon to where they can evade a move or survive a hit that should've knocked them out. Sorry but with my argument here, yours has been countered. I will admit the whole "countering Counter with Counter" is a stupid thing to argue about, we can't argue that for Ash Vs Alain, the game logic was there. M-Charizard X is a Fire/Dragon typing and Water Shuriken would do neutral damage at best. Even then, it has a base power of 15. So, to the people who want to keep saying Ash should've beat Alain: STFU
yeah the argument that ash shouldnt have won because he had a mythical is BS. if tobias is allowed to win with a darkrai (a mythical), ash is allowed to win with melmetal.
It does make sense for Ash to win in Alola from storytelling perspective. He is chosen by Tapu Koko. Ash in Alola is chosen by Alolan god, given the Z-ring directly from Tapu Koko despite being a foreigner, trusted to taking care of alolan legendary pokemon (Nebby), and being sent to another paralel world to save the said world from destruction by Guzzlord. It would be weird if the person that was chosen by the god would not win the battle to decide the strongest trainer on alola
I had expected Ash to win in Alola after playing the Sun and Moon games since the player canonically wins in both Sun/Moon and Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon to become Champion and, to me at least, Ash is the "player character" of the anime since he travels pretty much the exact same path as you do in the games with some deviations along the way for more episodes.
@@Fernando_Cabanillas Yes, but I always thought along the lines of the person who beat him in the league is a different "player character" and they were doing a "wifi battle" where Ash lost. Tobias has 2 Legendary Pokémon, pretty much no one besides the player has a Legendary Pokémon before the postgame content in the games. The others follow similar but still different lines as that.
@@insanityworks4ussu4skrowyt34 if he is supposed to win because he is the player character and each time he looses is because he is fighting a different player character... by that logic... wouldnt it have been possible for there to be a different player character in the alolan league? XD
@@Fernando_Cabanillas Yes, that could have happened. In this case though it did not. Probably because of the fact that the wifi stuff for the Alola games is a bit annoying to do.
@@insanityworks4ussu4skrowyt34 while I agree that the festival plaza is definetly less convinient than the PSS, my point is that your argument is not really proof. He will win because he is the main character unless he doesnt because he went againt another main character :v
Johto might have been nice, but he was battling a Pokemon he had no real data on and I don't think Charizard at the time knew any kind of flying type attacks. I could be wrong, but I don't think he did. If anything Ash should have won Sinnoh. He used all of his Pokemon from different regions, he had a much better rival in that season, then Gary was, used all kinds of different move. Shinnoh is the true season he should have won.
But Toby charizard was off training in the meantime between johto and the battle frontier and if you class the movies charizard also faced a legendary in movie 3
@@justsomeguy4955 I think yes we have some hints about this here's one when team rocket sees lugia in the Johto anime James says something about the lugia who they saw in Orange island and that lugia was appeared in the second pokemon movie who in that time ash was in Orange island
Ash placed Top 8 in Unova. Regarding that league itself... it was mostly bad. VS Stephan was the only great match. Cameron using only 5 in a full battle was less of a problem. The big problem was Ash isn't as motivated to get better as much, compared to the previous regions. VS Elesa was one of the worst Gym Battles and he skipped facing Drayden and Marlon. Despite already getting 8 badges, he should have fought them to gain more experience. Kanto was a huge experimentation and resulted in some major errors. Ash getting some badges not by the result of Pokemon battling, his rival losing first in the league making the rivalry pretty pointless at that point and it took about 3 years after Orange Islands for them to face each other properly, Kabutops being immune to Electric, some decisions were just questionable. Ash succeeding in the preliminary rounds in the league was pretty good, despite not seeing 2 of his matches fully. Him losing early was a mix of his situation, a bad start and an untrained Charizard, resulting in Top 16. Johto was pretty impressive league and despite not having Pikachu against Gary (and him not using Umbreon), it was a solid match. Harrison having 2 of the known Hoenn Pokemon pretty much leads to the next games (and we had no way to use our old mons from Gen1/2 to Gen 3+ until way later) and Top 8 is just the next step. Should he have won here? That's a personal question to answer for pretty much every league. I didn't think he would, as there are just better fighters out there. Hoenn resulted in Top 8 again, kind of wonder if he'll just be stuck in that place next time, which... happened. His rivals were pretty last minute characters, showing up after Ash's 8th Gym match. As questionable for him to use only the 6 he has used over the course of Hoenn, it is a self-challenging decision which I think is respectable. Using what he has earned and strive forward with confidence. Sinnoh stepped up as Top 4, and if he won't be Champion here, I would say Runner Up at best. Paul will always be Ash's best rival to face and they presented an outstanding match throughout their consistent journeys we see in the series. Ash used only the 6 he carried that evolved or grew stronger while they progressed and those results concluded in such a satisfying feel that cements this as 1 of the best league battles. The other battles involve a good shuffle of Ash's previous Pokemon and Gible. Some may be rushed, but still better than skipped. I still feel Ash could have at least make Tobias reveal all 6 of his Pokemon, if there was maybe one more episode. He was the first to beat Darkrai and Latios, while the other opponents of Tobias just got beat by Darkrai. They did no better than Ash. Kalos, I predicted Ash would result in Runner Up, even if I want him to be Champion. Mainly due to Sinnoh's result and they seem to like awarding him step by step (most of the time). This doesn't surprise me but I was when Team Flare executed their plan after the league. I also was a bit worried on all this Ash worship throughout Kalos. I agree that he's a great trainer, but he seem a bit restrained sometimes. I guess there wasn't much there for him to freely express himself, at least from what I remember. Alola, he is Champion and rightfully deserves it. Yes, Sinnoh, Kalos, and sure Johto and Hoenn are better leagues to gain Champion, but I really enjoyed Ash in this series. A great mix of his trainer self and his character self. As a trainer, he fights at his maximum efforts. As a character, he displays ranges of emotions and reassures others to continue life by listening and helps out the way he knows how. With seeing these experiences, I'm very proud of our boi. Gladion is a 2nd best rival. His appearances in the series isn't much, but he mostly (if not always) has something to display on-screen, whether it's to fight Ash or help other's out. His 3v3 battle in the finals isn't a lot in league standards, but they make good use out of them and it's just as intense. I love how both Ash and Gladion laughed before the final battle of their match, showing how much fun they're having. For the league, since past league shows they just have no time to show us ALL of their full matches (skipping rounds, rushing fights), I'm fine with them showing 1v1 battles. At least their matches can be invested fully in. About Ash's other foes: Faba cheated, so his Hypno getting its pendant chewed up by Meltan was deserving; Hau was this series Morrison and I'm on the side of their match as legit while others complained; Guzma I put this as evenly great with the final battle, though it would help to see more of him. Man, Guzma and Hau should have had more appearances.
See, for me I've watched the whole episode... and I still feel Sinnoh is where he should have won. I always felt it was a cheap way to have ash lose to let his opponent have a Darkrai. That league had Ash taking his training more seriously than any league before it. He worked with his team constantly. The series focused heavily on the idea of a battle style and Ash's fit perfect: high risk, high reward that relied on the trust he had in his pokemon. In Johto you have that Scizor trainer who says that Ash "mostly relies on his pokemon's power to win for him." In Sinnoh, it felt like he took that idea and rather than seeing it as a weakness, leaned into it. That's why so many of his pokemon knew an extremely powerful speed move that either did recoil damage or needed recharge time: Flare Blitz, Volt Tackle, Brave Bird and Giga Impact. He had MULTIPLE fully evolved team members, Avengers styled his line ups and had the most thematically resonant match he's ever had against Paul. But the team wanted Ash to face paul early and it seems like in the storyboarding realized that if Ash beat Paul they'd have to do something SERIOIUS to justify him losing and continuing on his journey. But when you've got Ash with a team that frankly, people playing the 4th gen games would have easily sailed through to victory you have to ask how you justify that loss and Tobias was, in my opinion, the answer they came up with. And IMO, it was a weak answer. What I'd have done is have Ash face Paul in the finals, eliminate Tobias completely, win against Paul and then have to face the Elite Four of Sinnoh who they'd been building up all darn season. Maybe he doesn't even get through one of them, maybe he gets through a couple but discovers the Elite 4 are just in an entirely different realm still. Maybe you cap the season with an exhibition bout against Cynthia (something the series had ALSO been hinting at up to that point) where she recommends he try the Unova league if you really want him to keep going.
I totally agree. While I think that he should have won Kalos; He should have also won Johto. Can you imagine the way that they could've shaped his character? Going to Hoenn, with a brand new team other than Pikachu, being all cocky like Gary was, and have that character Arch where he loses and then he gains back his normal personality and battles in the league to prove to himself that he is actually strong and isn't going to lose his champion title to the very next Challenger. After losing the Hoenn league, he keeps on going to other regions. Finally, he feels powerful again when he almost wins Kalos, and save the world for the umphteenth time. He's no longer is cocky, but he now has confidence in himself. (I feel like this timeline would have also explained his depression when he lost to the eighth gym leader). In a Alola, he finally wins (not to mention that Alola and Kanto seem to be close to each other canonly). And that nicely goes into gen eight, where he revisits all of the other regions again. A perfect anime.
I think Ash shouldn't have won in Alola. He should have finished top 4 or something and then won in *Galar.* In Kalos, Ash was the coolest and most capable trainer he had ever been. It wasn't just his team it was the way he carried himself. He was so experienced you could feel that experience exuding off of him. He was the leader of his friend group and he was looked up to by everyone. Alain beating him was a hard pill to swallow but there is a lesson in that, as good as you are there is always a chance someone is better. Plus the match was really close so the lose is easier to bare. But then Alola rolls around and Ash is goofy. He's presented as extremely kiddish and inexperienced. That's ok because they wanted to reset him from the mature versions presented Kalos, but it's not fair for the inexperienced versions to perform better than the mature version. It's kind of like how Ash was a total noob in Unova. He can be a total noob but he roughly did not win the league there because of his noobness. Then they could have framed Galar as the best of the best, the ultimate challenge with the most experienced Ash ever! He could have been put into the leadership roll again with a new cool, confident demeanor like in Kalos. And then when in was in the league he should have used all the pokemon he ever collected over the last 8 region. It would have been the best of the best, all star roster with every Pokemon getting a chance to shine! I'm talking Charzard, Bulbsuar, Squirtle, Septile, Infernape, Greeninja, Incineroar, everyone! It would have been really cathartic to see Ash come so far and win it with all the friends he made over the last 20+ years! It would have been a moment for everyone who ever watch the anime to come together and cheer Ash on! It could have been the culmination of the dream every kid wanted Ash to achieve! His win in Alola now seems like a wasted opportunity. You only have the opportunity to capitalize on that epic hype for the first-league-win-ever once! I just wish it could feel more like a culmination of a journey with an appropriately seasoned, experienced, and skilled Ash.
Can you tell me how Ash was inexperienced in Alola, you think Ash reset just because he was goofy, not even his Pikachu reset in SM like he was reset in DP, BW and XY, as it take 100 episodes for Pikachu to lost a match and it was against Mythical Pokemon Zeraora, in every important match he shown that he is same Ash he was in AG, DP and XY, here he trained all of his Pokemons and make them strong where in XY/XY&Z he only care about training Greninja, oh yeah he trained his other Pokemons how to dance, even that Dragonair has more training on screen than Goodra and Noivern combined in whole series, as they just fully evolved with almost zero experience, even Rowlet has more battle experience and training than this 2 dragons combined, he even had 2 legenday like Pokemons and both Torracat/Incineroar has multiple battle experience and very resilient personality, even Pikachu was never this much important in any series, Fans just think Ash was inexperienced because he was goofy nothing more than that.
I kind of like the look of the new art style for the sword and shield anime. It's similar to the sun and moon art style, but leaning more in the direction of the past styles as well.
Ash should be able to rotate his team in the new series and train up a roster of powerhouses, supports, and technicians. Then allow Go to catch the majority of dex/cute fillers.
Watched the whole video. For me, it should’ve been Sinnoh or Kalos. Though I definitely understand Johto; I’m not completely sure about the using old Pokémon thing. Pretty sure that’s more of a coincidence. Hell the Unova loss felt like it had less to do with the Pokémon, and a lot more to do with Ash regressing as a trainer. Eh, just my opinion. Loved the video!
With that vision yeah... Johto was his prime. You can also say that changing his whole team every region is a step to mastering any pokémon type to be closer to the pokémon mastery
True Dat! I will be forever salty about ash losing the Kalos league. #Ashshouldhavewonthekalosleague Ash was already keyword champion when he battled kukui. There were no 6 on 6 battles in the alola league. If he had to battle kukui to become champion 1000% none would be complaining about the alola league.
I'm kinda tired with the you can't counter counter in the games argument. It's clear the ga!we and anime work very differently. Some examples are: moves fainting Pokemon that don't even do damage (ash vs. Roark) turns not even existing, moves with 100% accuracy missing, the elite 4 might not even exist in certain regions (specifically kanto, johto, alola, and unova) the point is, the games are a template for the anime, but doesn't follow all of the games rules.
Agreed with everything besides the elite 4 not existing in kanto and jhoto because at the end of advanced ash battles agatha who he later discovers is part of the kanto and jhoto elite 4 Plus we also see a member of the unova elite battling cynthia
@@BirdKeeperToby To be fair gen 2 was suppose to be the last gen until they realized Pokemon was bigger then they thought so they had to continue it. So in a way you were right. A lot of fans will say Kalos though, me included.
@@BirdKeeperToby personally I don't like the idea of ash winning with ash-greninja. It makes ash feel to special. It feels like other competitors never stood a chance and it would've made ashe's victory less trough skill and more trough plot
I think he should have won Sinnoh. Sure you can say he had the most experience in Johto, but there is one component that the sinnoh team has that made it stronger. The sinnoh team had more evolved pokemon who are much stronger. Then if you take into account that the older pokemon he used had just as much or more experience than his johto team, then his sinnoh team was much stronger. If there wasn't a Darkrai or a latios he would have won.
Everything i want is the remake of episodes of the battle between ash and alan finals with the outcome we want........i wanna hear "And the champion is ash Ketchum from pallet town!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"i wanna hear this line in kalos league so badly..........but i know it is not gonna happen 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭if you agree like below
For me, the sad thing isn’t that he hasn’t won a league until now, although I do count at lease the Orange Islands as a proper league victory, it’s the way it happened. I’ll admit that, growing up watching Pokemon from the beginning, at times, I was disappointed when he lost. When he lost to Harrison, I told myself that he would’ve won if he’d just given his Charizard a minute to catch its breath before trying to attack first, but I’ve come to accept that these were fine losses, even Unova. Unfortunately, to me, the Alola League hasn’t felt like a proper one from the start. It’s been entirely lackluster. The battle royals was mainly nothing but one-shots; the battles up to Guzma were 1-on-1; then 2-on-2; with the championship match being 3-on-3 instead of an all-out battle. I get that this was likely done to be more inclusive for Ash’s friends that aren’t the traditional trainer, but I expected at least Hau and Guzma to get more interesting battles, and Gladion has a good amount of Pokemon to have a full battle. They did it in Unova, they could’ve done the same here. Sorry for the rant. I’ve just kind been bottled up, and this all flowed out.
Honestly feels like a copout because its a new league without a history,new leagues in any sport take time to build up a legitimate reputation and experience (which is necessary to make fair calls) now in the indigo league if a pokemon falls asleep they are technically out and indigo has been around a lot longer then alola (i understand rules can vary between leagues ie, nhl vs euro league) point still stands the victory feels hollow. Honestly it's about god damn time he won, this friendship thing has not really worked out for him.
They’ve been dragging Sun and Moon for too long it wasn’t even anything major to brag about. Team Skull was a waste of space. Battles (other than Trials) were nonexistent. His friends were lame. Lillie was annoying (wtf was up with them hinting at her getting Magearna). Lana getting Eevee was wasted potential. Team Rocket gave me a bittersweet vibe this Region.
I have 1 thing to say about this if ash won the johto league he probably would not have gon to honen,sinoh,unova,etc. So I call a foul play I fell he should have one the ahloa league. And no he did not win because of melmetal because melmatel only had one official battle before his battle against gladion and his sillvaly and he just evolved before the battle so he needed to get use to his new form. I would also like to note that Ash was spamming double iron bash so yeah. He acuttualy won because of his unpredictable abilities by coutering a couter. So Yeah. -Primarina Playz
@@ezekielhenryjr8118 @ U watched xyz? I can tell u for a fact they hyped up ash winning WAY more in that series. Hell even team rocket specifically mentioned ash possibly winning.
too many plot holes, Overused Greninja and I didn't see the other Pokemon shine. Too little side character development for Serena, Clemont and Bonnie. In SM the other characters and their Pokemon get their spotlight in order to gain character development, each of Ash's Pokemon has a story to tell as well. Edit: This is why the SM series is better on storytelling than XY in general, I'm not saying animation because XY/Z is the best at that. And you say Story telling in SM is hollow, you didn't even watch SM for the looks of things. I even cringe watching this video just by the fact that he dares make a video discrediting SM as the region where Ash won without even watching the entire freaking series.
And also you got disappointed when Ash lose in the Lumiose Conference because of the overhype the writers present to the audience. In SM it was not the case, they pretty much make me clueless who was going to win until the spoilers came.
@@ezekielhenryjr8118 @ Also in your 2nd comment u say u didn't know who was going to win in sm implying that xyz didn't have that affect? Like U said yourself spoilers straight up said ash won while with Alain vs Ash we literally had no clue who was going to win. Yet u have the nerve to tell me I didn't watch the respective series. Finally also based on how u started your 2nd comment u clearly didn't read mine before commenting as u ranted about arguments I didn't even make and blatantly put words in my mouth.
When I read about his champion win in Alola, my initial reaction was this: FINALLY, the kid gets a break. Not long after though, I realized that much like the games it's based in, the Alola league is completely new. take that in with how long he's been competing in professional leagues & my reaction becomes: "okay" *shrugs shoulders*. Haven't kept up with the anime since sinnoh but maybe it'll shift to an anthology style for Galor
If there is 8 badge requirements here and we don't know anything about the characters than we all 100% believe that all the participants are league level trainers as we seen many weak trainer who is even weaker than Lana and Sophocle.
The alolan league was trash.3 v 3 battles.Matches being restarted even though they had been ended. Bs wins like rowlet defeating a decidueye. Mythicals and legendary being used in general.Winning with an under evolved and tbh crappy team that didn't even consist of 6 Pokemon.Entry to all meaning the trials had no significance and no general competition.
I think ash should of won the sinnoh league. Then a new protagonist in unova and won kalos. Honestly I haven't watched more than 4 episodes of alola because of time but I don't think a character should of won that unless they wanted it to be like orange island.
i feel like he could have won jhoto, sinnoh, or kalos but there are reasons why he didn’t. i feel the reason he didn’t win jhoto or sinnoh is the same. throughout kanto and jhoto his biggest obstacle was gary as he’s never been able to beat him. in the silver conference they were paired up in the top 16 which is pretty early. ash finally beats him and overcomes his biggest obstacle so any other win after that would seem insignificant and minor in comparison. so they brought in harrison who had two pokémon from hoenn that ash knew nothing about. neither kecleon nor blaziken had any information in the pokédex so ash ultimately didn’t really know how to deal with them because he didn’t know what they were capable of and therefore he ended up losing to blaziken. now sinnoh was a very similar situation paul was his main rival that he was never able to beat. they got paired up in the top 8 which is still very early on. ash finally beats paul and overcomes his biggest challenge therefore making any win after seem insignificant and minor. so this time they brought in tobias to make it seem like they’re giving ash a challenge but it’s really just so ash wouldn’t win. now with kalos ash most definitely could have won with ash graninja only there was one minor detail i think people overlook. alan had way more time to use mega charizard (as shown in the mega evolution special where he was able to beat about 10?? megas in a row WITHOUT a break) ash had just mastered unlocking the full power of ash greninja about three episodes before. the league was the first time ash used greninja’s full power since finally unlocking it. he had no time to train using ash greninja before the league. due to this greninja and charizards power just was not on equal footing. yes, greninja has a type advantage (which i’m alan knew how to deal with) but charizard just had more experience in the end.
Except Alain got to heal charizard during that gauntlet of mega trainers. Ash got to battle wulfric with his ash greninja, and even then we can assume he had other practices with it. Even if we discount the one battle with wulfric he still battled the Altaria guy, Astrid and Sawyer and we know he used ash greninja for at least two of those. But even then it’s not like ash didn’t have tons of battling experience with froakie, frogadier, and greninja base form by the time he entered the league. And ash’s greninja cancelled Alain’s strongest move... with a water shuriken. Meaning they were definitely of equal power. And also charizard was hit with a quick attack and thunderbolt while he was still a flying type so it should still of greatly damaged him.
I would agree with origin being a good watch but not with generations. Without playing the games, you wouldn't even know what is happening. And they are just short episodes of the events that happened in the games. Also, in origin, Red's charizard turning into X and being able to adapt quickly into its new form were just plot armor. He just got that mega stone. Moreover, Sinnoh, is better than origin and generations. Ash was so OP that the writers needed a guy who has a darkrai and a latios just to stop him from winning. And this is also the saga where Ash finally accepted that power of friendship alone will not make you win. Thus, he used everything he had. All of his pokemon, secondary effects of moves, pokemon abilities and freaking type advantages. This is Ash at his peak.
His alolan pokemons deserve to win him league as much all the previous teams, this is the league where all of Ash pokemons work hard for him rather than depending on 1 ace.
@@inamdaryasin that doesn't change the fact that it was underwhelming as hell...plus ash never "depended" on one ace since the first pokemon league...so idk what you're talking about
@@ssickhead1 underwhelming? Illima, guzma, kiawe and gladion are all league level trainers, you think 1vs1 to 3v3 battles is the reason is underwhelming than it's false because some of those matches duration is bigger than normal match we seen in previous leagues, Gladion and Ash was basically tobias of Alola league, Kukui is E4 level trainer and with tapu koko he surpass them. Ash team in johto and kalos was heavily dependent on Charizard and Ash-Greninja, the whole XY&Z was just about Ash-Greninja as creators and Ash totally forgotten other pokemons existence when noivern really need some good amount of development not even gible ignored that much even though it was introduced very late, his other pokemons only exist to set the stage to his ace pokemon to shine in the end as Ash was spamming Ash-Greninja form in whole season. only hoenn, Sinnoh and Alolan pokemons treated equally in whole series, if you remove Charizard and Ash-Greninja than his Johto and Kalos team would be at huge disadvantage (not counting pikachu) but if you remove any single one of Ash alolan pokemons there is other 3 pokemons can take it's spot.
Comment section in a nutshell: Sinnoh, Kalos, Kalos, Kalos, Serena, and Kalos! Ah should go back to Kanto and win the Indigo league! Honestly this is very sad but understandable...
Now that I think about it, it would’ve made so much more sense if Ash had won in XY. He’s literally on a vacation for Sun and Moon and wouldn’t it have been more fitting for him to be on that vacation AFTER finally winning the Pokémon league? xD I really will never understand why the writers chose Sun and Moon for his victory when XY was so much more fitting in like almost every way.
not really ash owns a pokemon that only he can use. I personally don't think that's fair and it would feel like he won cuz of plot and not skill. Imagin you competing in yugioh tournament and somebody uses a card only he can use and it's also named after him.
Fun fact about the Sinnoh league, in the final match Tobias only needed Darkrai. Ash was the only trainer in the Sinnoh League to force Tobias to use a second Pokemon
To me I'd say Sinnoh, if it was him vs Paul in the final round. The guy with the Darkrai and Latios came out of nowhere. This league it was confusing that he was allowed to continue after Rowlet fell asleep. What counts as a knock out? He may not have had the swirly eyes but he was still not conscience in time before the ref declared he couldn't continue.
He beat 2 legendaries in this league too just like in sinnoh the difference is his pokemons are more stronger (obviously pikachu has gotten more stronger after sinnoh and Ash had 2 legendary like pokemons) Ash and Gladion is tobias here. And Ash should've lost first round in sinnoh league against nando if Sleep is really count knock out which never happened after Indigo league.
Simpel it is not about win/lose. It is about HOW Ash wins/loses. And this Aloha league feels swallow and empty like most of wins were giving to him like 1 seasons gym badges.
@@ssickhead1 exactly didn't feel much of victory at all sadly. The best build ups for victory were truly Johto, Sinnoh and Kalos Leagues. And speacilly Kalos because it was 20 year Pokemon's anniversary. (also of course characters growth and plot and so on ^^;)
In my opinion: he should have won Unova He did switch out Pokemon in Unova. He COULD have swapped out his weaker Pokemon and used a mix of all his best Pokemon. And with that he would have won. But that whole series seemed obsessed with regressing Ash's character
D'ya wanna know how I Know that Alola doesn't count?? There was no pokemon Alola movie, only "I choose you." & "The Power of Us.", the latter of which Ash didn't even have any other pokemon but pikachu 🙄
If they were looking to wrap up Ash, they should have introduced the Pokemon World Tournament in an Orange League type arc. Have him go through, battle and beat trainers like Gary, Harrison, Alain, etc. Would have been more of a culmination of Ash's arc. You could even introduce a Galarian trainer there as well.
Yes, he didn't have as much time with his Hoenn and Sinnoh pokémon, but I'd say that he had way more experience with them because he was shown to be training constantly. Off the top of my head I can only remember him actively training twice (could be more) in Johto; helping Cindaquil light his fire, and right at the start of the league where he thinks he should start beefing up his team. In Hoenn he was actively teaching his pokémon new moves (iron tail, bullet seed, aerial ace, ice beam), and he even used trained during lunch breaks, and during the Grand festival. There was even a whole arc dedicated to him training for his rematch with Brawly. The same goes for Sinnoh. He taught his pokémon how to use aerial ace, brave bird, ice punch and draco meteor, and some of his pokémon even received training from other people while Ash was still working full time on his other pokémon. Paul trained Chimchar, the Air battle master trained Gliscor, and Dawn trained Buizel, who had already been training on its own in the wild. So, yeah. Ash took his training very seriously in Hoenn and Sinnoh.
I'm not surprised how many of you are commenting Kalos or Sinnoh before watching the video the whole way though. It's understandable but I would argue in Sinnoh he was up against Darkrai and in Kalos his team was entirely new. These battles were epic but the losses feel, appropriate . Let me know what you think about my conclusion?
Here's the thing tho, in Sinnoh, it felt really cheap, and there, Ash did exactly the same as he did in Johto: brought pokemon from all over his jounrey. Yes, he did start anew, but he also started incorporating more unorthodox moves into his roster, and Paul was very much a Gary 2.0, the reverse of Ash, both in terms of accomplishments and in training philosophy.
Would it have felt nice to see Ash win in the league where he finally beat Gary? Of course it would've, but at least there, Ash only narrowly lost to the better man, whereas in Sinnoh, the equivalent of pay to win gamesharking gary stu waltzed in like he owned the place and proceeded the take a leak onto the whole competition.
And plus... Generation 5 was a soft reboot, so Sinnoh felt like the perfect time to let Ash win, and finally retire from the show, but no, the poke-gods said no in fear of their cashcow drying up, and basically unleashed divine retribution onto Ash.
Simply put, Sinnoh sticks out more due to the Rivals, the thematic relevance, and how ungodly unfair his loss was.
Finally someone who agrees with me that he should have won Johto like Red in the games and then have the series end...….sadly they didn't do that :(
Also Lyconrock, not Melmetal won him the league.....Melmetal defeated NOONE and was KO'ed lol
Simply put, he SHOULD have brought back old pokémon to Kalos. The whole gimmick of Kalos is mega evolution and they missed the opportunity to let Ash mega evolve old favorites.
I know mega evolution is kinda overpowered but you can use it in the game after 3 gyms! On top of that, they let Ash use z moves in Alola, so no excuse for not using megas imo.
Ash should have surprised us by using mega charizard Y in the last battle against Alain. That would have been beyond epic!
I think he should have won Sinnoh, I still think that was his strongest team, especially when he brought previous pokemon and they just through a Darkrai at him just so he could lose. That's not the same as with Gladion's Sylvally, Darkrai is a much stronger pokemon, and I don't think his Alola team would have won in that tournament.
However, to me, I don't really mind too much that he didn't win, because the battle between Ash and Paul is still my favourite anime battle in the entire series.
Pokemon league conference is different from pokemon league. That's why the orange league doesn't count. Harrison also had a post region team. But I see where you are coming from.
I will always be salty about the Kalos league, he REALLY SHOULD’VE WON
nah ash-greninja is to much of a plot device imo.
@@tra-guyd5209 so is tobias in the sinnoh league... aaannnd alain with his overpowered Burasto Burn
@@EA-bv8zk At least the anime took the time for us to know Alain. By the time he first meets Ash, we know everything about his character assuming you watched the Mega Evolution specials. Compared to other trainers in the anime, he's insanely powerful.
Tobias comes out of absolutely nowhere with no backstory or buildup. He doesn't get any screentime until the battle against Ash.
Esteban Maysonet that brings up the question though, if Alain just showed up like Tobias did would the community have accepted it or would they thought it was also bullshit. If we met Tobias early in the series would he have been accepted as the Darkrai trainer that beat Ash or a bullshit plot device that a lot of people consider him as
@Landen Cahill Well thats an absolute given. Thats why we place importance in writing. Gives us a reason to why such and such happens.
Yes, the league he should of won was the Sinnoh League. But at least he finally won one
See Sinnoh would have been cool but sadly he was up against a Darkrai.
Directors in the board room: "Ash is going to win this league! What can do we do?!"
"Well... How about a random dude with a tonne of legendaries!"
"Promote this man"
@@BirdKeeperToby Let's be honest, Tobias's character is incredibly stupid. They just created him as a reason for Ash to lose so they could use their usual concept of, "oh he lost this league, let's try in the next region!".
They had originally planned on Ash winning Sinnoh League with Paul being the final match and then Ash would compete in the Champion league and eventually become a Pokemon master but they decided that it was to popular to stop so they just continued the games and same can be said for Kalos so nough said
It's the Kalos league in my opinion.
Kalos and Sinnoh definitely. They didn’t have to bring in some random for sinnoh to sweep everybody, and kalos literally spent the entire series seeing how an impossible ash-Greninja form is so powerful with the bond of friendship. Winning against Alain would have proven their strength. Don’t know why it took them 7 generations for them to let him win and move on regardless.
Unfortunately the gen7 league was not a strong league. The gen7 anime wasn’t good with battling in general. Not a bad anime, but battling is not what it’s about at all. Even though he technically won a league, the battle frontier and orange islands were still bigger accomplishments.
Edit: Yes I always wished that Harrison came back in the Hoenn series, at least at the end to rematch Ash. It wasn’t so much “Hoenn Pokémon are stronger,” but more so ash didn’t know what to do against them. So he needed to discover more Pokémon. Similar to how he won the battle frontier and then Gary beat him with an Electivire.
idk ash-greninja is just bs as tobias imo. If he had won that it would feel like he only won because he's the main character and not because he's a good trainer.
Tra-guy D Yes But ash-Greninja was actually a unique phenomenon and we saw the bond build up for him throughout the entire series. Obviously he is not impossible to beat whether or not he lost the league, we saw him lose before. Alain at least was a built up rival unlike Tobias, but it’s a rival Ash never defeated.
Plus, he never won before. Obviously he would’ve won for being a good trainer and not because he’s the main character, otherwise he would’ve won every league. Unfortunately the one he finally wins is the weakest league. But maybe the fact it was weak is why they let him win.
@@rusty8311 Alola wasn't weak like you think Ash actually worked to get his victory he had to beat powerful trainers like Hau, Guzma, and Gladion. The last two more so than Hau, because Hau is a Cameron rip off, but wasn't as lazy as Cameron.
@@LetsTalkSports001 Actually the league wasn't that tuff. He only struggled bc of his mediocre team.
Looking at his 6 alolan pokemons they deserve to win him league as much as sinnoh team or Ash-Greninja, Ash bond with Pikachu is much stronger than anyother pokemon so pikachu deserves more.
Johto was too early in his career. That one felt like he was still in the midcard to use a wrestling analogy. Sinnoh and Kalos felt more like he would earn his victory the hard way.
Not if the show ended or changed protagonist right after. Losing a league, winning a pseudo league then finally winning a real league (against Gary maybe?) would have been a perfect arc for Ash. But losing 5 leagues in a row was maybe a bit redundant.
he would have won in sinnoh if that guy with likely a full team of legendarys did not exist. he was only made cause the writers knew that they had to cheat to make ash lose.
I wanted ash to win against a guy with full team of legendaries with his best possible team, that would actually satisfying . Even brendin had the regi trio but ash defeated brendons four pokemons with three non- evolved pokemons(cuz charizard got knocked out early in the battle)
Right like how the hell was that league and I thought legendaries couldn’t be caught
Yeah, Mr. Action Replay Tobias.
To be honest, Ash should've won the Sinnoh League with his battle against Paul be the finals, but lose to Cynthia or one of the elite four.
Than when he competes in the Kalos League while using his previous Pokemon from the other regions until he reaches top 8, he doesn't get screwed over by plot armor and beats Alain.
That's what should've happen in my opinion.
SSJGamer yea he could’ve brought in Infernape
Charizard
Snorlax
Sceptile
Donphan
Heracross
Muk
Quilava
Etc
Dunno, Alain was doing some stuff outside of the main series that involved the Primals with his Mega Zard, I would 100% say that his Mega Zard is a monster and won that with sheer experience and power alone.
Ash-Greninja was strong, but it was basically a hack anyways.
Dalton Oakley I don’t really think Quilava is that strong
SSJGamer ahh yes plot armor everyone’s favorite thing to say
@@chadachi3970 but isnt that mega evolution special series non canon tho?
Sinnoh series was the one i watched the most, i watched every single episodes more than two times and i was really into Ash winning Sinnoh league, especially after beating Paul, then Tobias came and ruined my dreams
huhuhuhuhu agree
i think he should have lost to the elite four or cynthia
BUT THE KALOS LEAGUE IM MORE SALTY
he nearly beat Gardivore without full power ash greninja,
if ash blocked the blast burn with the water shuriken, in the smoke double team and areal ace or orange water shuriken mega charizard and win the kalos league.
It's not that "Hoenn Pokemon are stronger"
It's "Hoenn Pokemon are something he's NEVER seen before."
You try fighting a Pokemon battle where the opponent is using Pokemon you've never seen before and don't know the first thing about
They actually kept that theme up in later seasons when Ash came back to Pallet Town a Battle Frontier champ, then Gary beats him with an Ekectrivire and says "you can't go slacking now Ash just because you beat the Battle Frontier. Their are still so many pokemon out there that you haven't seen yet!"
Going to Sinnoh was made out as somewhere to see more pokemon more than it was made out to be a place to face new badge challenges.
It's part of what makes it easier to accapt even the seasons Ash does poorly like Unova. He wasn't very strong in Unova, but he was really focused on seeing and catching new pokemon that generation. He caught more pokemon in Unova than he had anywhere else he's been.
And Blaziken is also very strong.
But Ash isn't a living Dex. I'd argue most of his fights that aren't Team Rocket are with something he hasn't seen before.
@@browncow5210 yeah but I think it's fair to say fighting something new in the leauge is different than fighting a new thing on your adventures in a casual match with random people you've met. The league is filled with trainers who have been training with their pokemon for a while and raising them to there max potential as well as being the best of skilled trainers in general. Fighting a completely unfamiliar opponent in the leauge would be a lot more costly than fighting one normally.
@@danieldishon688 Besides the fact that each time he fights a new Pokemon he uses his Pokedex. He tried to do the same here but, because his Pokedex was outdated, he got no results so he was fighting blindly. He couldn't know that Blaziken was a Fire/Fighting or that Keckleon was Normal.
To be honest, the battle frontier is much more impressive than any league
DanCP yeah frontier and the orange islands each master trainer he encounters during those competitions is basically an elite class trainer
I would put it behind Sinnoh and Kalos tbh
It's not if you consider that you dont need any consecutive wins. You can lose to each brain then rebattle them. One loss equals losing entire league for the traditional leagues.
@@benjaminacuna8013 agreed.
By far, especially in the games
Ash: I wanna be a pokemon master
Tobias: I'm gonna end this man's whole career
Alain : after you bro
Tobias should at least get a movie.
@@HeilRay tobias was in every movie, thats where his team came from XD
@@oresti9271 fax
@@silverhetch3383 Damn
And now imagine how Ash returns to the leagues he lost in beating the everlasting daylights out of people while grinning with the whole "Guess who's back" smirk, he's got the experience now, as well as some realy strong hitters, tanks etc. They even could end it with him passing the torch on to someone new, because currently it kind of feels like an endless repitition of failure (due to directors decission that is).
I mean what does being a pokemon master really mean? To never lose? To win quite often and get a really deep understanding of pokemon? Is it something that even can be achieved?
EnraEnerato that’s what a ‘leak’ for the Sword and Shield anime says will happen 😉
This is the anime I want
What would be cool is a out of nowhere timeskip. Where Ash enters the Masters League with his best team. And a possible Ash vs Red.
Ash wins, then he's left for Go? 🤔
I hope he goes back to sinnoh and beats Tobias this time
I'm really happy he won a league but REALLY. REALLY. Ash-Greninja vs Mega Charizard I KNEW *I KNEW* that the writers were gonna pull some nonsense and have Ash collapse from the pain of taking Greninja's hits thus causing Greninja to collapse and just....ahhhhhhhhh. Dammit. He was SO close. I will forever be salty about that. His team in Kalos and the way he CONSTANTLY thought out of the box was just stunning. He was ROBBED in Kalos darn it lol
I misread ROBBED as ROBED and was wondering where in Kalos he wore a robe.
@@CrystalGreymon wait didn't he do the Battle Chateau? He wore robes there lol
@@TheRibottoStudios honestly I liked that ash lost the kalos league. Ash-greninja made ash feel to special imo and it made it feel like other competitors didn't stand much of a chance because of it. It feels like a form just made for ash and greninja. Just the name itself proves that this is was just a way to make ash feel more important and better than other trainers. I would like it if ash won trough skill and not because his pokemon have unique forms that only he can use.
@@tra-guyd5209 How is the Bond Phenomenon (aka what Ash-Greninja is supposed to be) any diffrent from any Mega evolution? If anything it's worse than a regular old Mega because of the connection between trainer and Pokémon it has.
Maybe if Ash had a Mega and Ash-Greninja I would agree with you.
Same here mate. Years later and thinking about how stupid this loss was is still utterly enraging.
I feel like he should just go back to Kanto for 12 to 20 episodes and challenge the Indigo League again
*and win that one too*
Grumps: The Movie at this point he should win every regional championship lol. Best leagues he’s got a shot at winning are Sinnoh and Kalos.
He should be back with pidgeot and butterfree😍
“This guy has a Dragonite and a Gengar”
Well guess what Ash now has a Dragonite and a Gengar
And a riolu
and a galar farfetch that can evolve to sirfetch
They should of given dragonite a mega evolution
Now a lucario
Now a dracovish
I'm not sure about Johto. Yes, it's the only time he has a rival battle in the league with Gary and it would have been cool to see that as the final battle, but the series that preceeded it didn't feel like it was building to that big win. The series that did was Sinnoh.
Now, think about it. The Sinnoh arc is the only arc to give any consideration to "What happens next", what happens after you beat the league, win the tournament. Throughout the series they're introducing the Elite 4, giving these characters episodes and, in Flint's case, little mini-arcs to show you how strong these people are. It's the only time that the anime shows all Elite 4 members of a region in that regions anime (Kanto has all of it's Elite 4 members shown but only Bruno shows up in the original Indigo league, Lorelei is in the Orange Islands, Lance in Johto and Agatha doesn't show up until the Frontier arc after Hoenn). They're set up to play a part in the story, but then just sort of don't. You see all of them get stomped by Cynthia at the end of their episodes and that's that. Oh yeah, and they set up Cynthia too, as, you know, this ultra powerful trainer who can stomp even the best of the best. It was like she was set up to be the one to inspire Ash to keep going. He wins the league, scrapes past the elite 4 and then finally loses to Cynthia, before deciding that he still wants to keep going, to keep training, to keep exploring. Then you have his Pokemon. Sure, Ash may have carried more of his Kanto Pokemon with him to Johto (though having said that, Charizard got sent to the mountains to train for most of that time, Snorlax, Tauros, Muk and Kingler never travelled much and Bulbasaur & Squirtle ended up getting phased out as he added more Johto Pokemon to his team, everyone else from Kanto and Orange Islands got released), but Sinnoh saw him actually level up as a trainer. He'd evolve members of his team, he had two fully evolved starters, a Staraptor and a Gliscor, as well as all of his most powerful Pokemon from the previous generations. He'd started using strategies, he taught his Heracross Sleep Talk to counter the Tobias' Darkrai (it didn't work because he missed Megahorn and got Dream Eatered, but if he didn't want to miss he'd have used Pin Missile). In Johto, the story may have felt right, but Ash didn't feel ready. In Sinnoh, they'd laid the story out for it to be his time and he felt ready. It's not even that "oh, he lost to a mythical and a legendary", bull, he'd just come off beating Articuno and all three Regi's (which, sure in actual competitive aren't anywhere near the level of Darkrai or Latios, but this is the anime we're talking about, where it takes an entire army to take on a Regigigas with Slow Start). Hell, there was a guy in the Sinnoh league with a Heatran who didn't even make it past the quarters. We don't even know what Tobias' last 4 Pokemon were, he could have been like that guy with the Marowak in the Indigo saga, a one trick pony. There are ways the story could have played out, plus it would have been very cathartic to see Ash beat Paul in the final battle, not in the same way as seeing him beat Gary, but Paul was a different kind of rival to Gary, his conflict with Ash was more over ideals (set up for BW anyone?) of how to become strong, rather than one guy being better than the other (even though Paul was stronger than Ash throughout).
So yeah, just my 2 pennies worth.
I can agree yeah
This Comment is Perfection 😭😭 This is why I just quit watching the Anime every week after Kalos. I was at my Limit.
Tbh, im glad Ash/Satoshi won, but his victory was kinda not what I hope. Logic: You can't counter Counter using Counter
Also, Ash and Kukui were the only trainers with a full team, so even if Ash loss, I can't picture many trainers (except Gladion) battling Kukui
But ash has used "just dodge it" as a legitimate move since the beginning. Countering a counter sounds like the same thing.
There's that!
And there's the fact that Ash's Lycanroc's counter barely touched Gladion's.
Chris Pole Still doesn’t make it right, especially not when the whole counter counter BS actually won him the league 😅 I don’t mind them using crap like that since it makes sense, but to finish a final match like that... seems almost as cheap as Tobias action replay-ing his way to the trophy 😂
@@elimun10 hey the rng finally gave ash the random win instead of his opponent.
Oh really tell that to ash greninja vs mega sceptile battle
I just hope this shows that winning a league doesnt make you a master.
Many people get that misconstrued for some reason.
Agreed. Winning a league is impressive but there is so much more to becoming a Pokemon Master. When I think of a Pokemon Master, I think of the likes of Champions like Cynthia. Ash still has a way to go before he's that good!
I think ash deserves the title of Pokemon master, he has been through a lot, and he really showed his prowess
By catching a gengar,dragonite and
Riolu (I think in one episode)
@@ChonkedCat he has been through a lot but still he shouldn't be regarded as a Pokemon master. He still hasn't even become the best trainer in the world. And it's a recurring theme that being a Pokemon master is much beyond being the best Pokemon trainer
He deserved this win after 22 years. I hope he wins Galar next.
YYYYYYYEEEEEEESSSSSSS
i think ash will more focus on catching pokemon and complete the pokedex than winning the league again
@Mcheetah you didn't see the trailer did you?
@@bromicorn that's the reason goh is a character, to catch pokemon
well with the announcement of the anime's arc, we see galar isn't the focus. Its more ash travelling around the regions, probably trying to win the leagues he lost, with much more emphasis on battle. Galar will be in, tho
I think Kalos league would have felt the best to me! (before watching).
I see your points but I raise you that ash had ash-greninja. A great team and was more epic, intelligent and awesome than the other series. X/y and X/y and Z was my favorite generation of the anime, more epic and well written/animated/beautiful!
idk I don't like the idea of ash having a pokemon using a form that only he can use
@@tra-guyd5209 But it's similar to mega evolution and that could be said if someone has a mega evolution pokemon and you don't
@@fieryicymilkman6098 if you watched the mega special, his mega chara had beaten MANY other mega evolution Pokemon so I'm not surprised that it can beat ash greninja. And plus they had just mastered ash greninja about 4-6 episodes ago.
Definitely sinnoh , but kalos is a close second.
Yep correct
No
@@boguslocus @ How do u figure? Both of those leagues ash was the best he's ever been and both had reasons in writing why it would make sense for ash to win. Kalos hyped up ash winning with numerous statements and in sinnoh ash was just an amazing trainer in general.
@@glennrhee7918 Sinnoh Ash should've won because he took advantage of all of his Pokemon and even adjusted their movesets just for the league. Kalos on the other hand was just Ash spamming Greninja while the rest of his team was made into fodder.
@@denickart @
1. Pikachu won ashs 1st 3 gym battles including tyrunt,vivillon, and a MEGA LUCARIO! In the kalos league beat sawyers aegislash and clawitzer and alains tyranitar and metagross two PSEUDO LEGENDARIES.
2. Talonflame beat one of the psychic gyms meowstic and the fairy gyms sylveon and sawyers slaking and wulfrics avalugg and finally tieing with alains unfezant.
3. Goodra tied with a fairy type,destroyed clemonts luxray, beat tiernos raichu with ease, and had to be taken out by guillotine.
4. Hawlucha a fighting type won at a FAIRY gym and DESTROYED wulfrics abomasnow and beat alains weaville.
5. Noivern ashs WEAKEST kalos pokemon still fucked with a zapdos,tied with a salamence,beat doublade, and went toe to toe with alains metang.
"BuT hE OnlY ReLieD oN GreNinjA aNd ThE REsT oF THe TeAm waS FOddEr" honestly when people say this it makes me question if they even wached xyz. Greninja was the ace for sure but it's not like he carried the team the other members could definitely hold there own.
The Orange Islands do count....... Wait you agree with that as well!? Finally someone else who thinks that as well!
I think making a big deal about Ash winning the Alola league is a bit overblown considering that Alola is more like the Orange Islands than any of the other regions.
The premise of the Gen 8 anime, travelling the entire world, means to me that it would make more if Ash ended that series winning a league, as he could put everything learnt from everywhere into one big challenge.
Ash should’ve won in Kalos. Like c’mon Kalos is the most shounen season of all he SHOULD have won.
Sinnoh was where he really deserved to win.
D Kurameno I will be forever salty about ash losing the Kalos league.
#Ashshouldhavewonthekalosleague
Ash was already keyword champion when he battled kukui. There were no 6 on 6 battles in the alola league. If he had to battle kukui to become champion 1000% none would be complaining about the alola league.
Nah that charizard was extremely powerful
Yea but alola was better
Alains charizard is much stronger than ash greninja and it makes sense why he lost.
Ash won because nintendo want to save their stocks
When the XY league ended with ash's loss, their stocks crashed
wait really??
Well the reason why ash has a melmetal is because they want more people to play Pokémon Go (But I still hate Pokémon Go).
People were FURIOUS his psuedo-legendary ash-greninja lost against a standard charizard. He had type advantage, insane experience (that thing trained harder than any of his pokemon), and special connection that caused a unique evolution. He couldn't beat the charizard but could beat A LEGENDARY POKEMON RIGHT AFTER?! Who then took that pokemon to continue defending the region as it was deemed worthy... I'm sorry, but that wound will never heal.
@@cadyomahony1919 Get your facts straight before you confuse people. Greninja never had type advantage since Mega Charizard X is Fire/Dragon. I might as well add that the anime logic and moves ared different from the games. Speaking of Charizard, that pokemon is anything but standard. It defeated 9 mega pokemon in a row with it and after that went on to battle Malva from the Elite Four and defeat her Mega Houndoom. I am sorry but please do tell, how does that make it standard. That Charizard probably has more battling experience than Greninja. Also, I would like to add that Greninja never defeated a legendary.
@@cadyomahony1919 @ Look I'm mad that ash lost in kalos as much as the next guy but
1. Mega charizard x also has psuedo legendary stats.
2. Ash greninja never beat a legendary pokemon so wtf are u talking about?
I hadn't watched the series, but I do feel like that battle may have been full of Deus ex Machina; granted that the entire main anime series; including the movies; tends to be pretty much Deus ex Machina in itself, lol.
@Mcheetah Say that again, but while doing so remember the Unova anime arc.
Ignoring the fact that Lycanroc's Counter Counter made no sense.
Classy.
Also, can we acknowledge the fact that Ash pushing Tobias to his Latios was actually a clever way of saying that if Tobias wasn't there, Ash'd have won the Sinnoh League?
There litteraly was no other trainer who could've stopped ash because he had an army of pokemon at his use.
Yeah because it was mentioned Tobias steamer rolled his final opponent with just his Darkrai so if it wasn’t for that Ash honestly would have won
Yeah that's a fact if tobias wasn't in the league Ash would've won sinnoh league too, as the opponent tobias face in final can't even beat his darkrai.
well yeah...that's any league member...ash is strong he deserved to beat two of tobias's pokemon
Ash: *has a good team*
Pokémon that don’t listen to him: I’m about to end this man’s WHOLE career
Dang it Charizard
I don't think the complaints about the Alola League are entirely fair.
First of all, the Alola League wasn't weak. Yeah, Lillie, Faba, and Team Rocket probably shouldn't have been there, but that's just 4 people. Although it would have been way more satisfying if it had been Brock, Misty, Kahili, and Molayne instead. And yeah, the league didn't have anyone like Tobias. But to be fair, Tobias was a mistake and only existed because the writers needed a convenient way for Ash to lose.
As for Hau, yeah, the tactics Ash used did seem dirty and would have made more sense with someone like Guzma, since Ash is supposed to be pure of heart. But regardless, Hau was never going to win that battle, as his entire character is supposed represent Ash back when he was a rookie. Essentially, Ash was supposed to be Hau's Richie.
And as for Ash winning by countering a counter? This complaint is ridiculous, and the only reason it's even a thing is because people apply game logic to the anime. For the umpteenth time, THE ANIME DOES NOT WORK LIKE THE GAMES. Remember how Ash's Charizard beat Gary's Blastoise by burning the battlefield? Remember how Ash beat Sawyer by trapping Aegislash with a piece of wood? Oh, and don't even get me started on dodging...
Yet with Poke Amie, PokeCare (whatever it was in gen 7) and Camping, you can build up enough trust to your Pokemon to where they can evade a move or survive a hit that should've knocked them out. Sorry but with my argument here, yours has been countered. I will admit the whole "countering Counter with Counter" is a stupid thing to argue about, we can't argue that for Ash Vs Alain, the game logic was there. M-Charizard X is a Fire/Dragon typing and Water Shuriken would do neutral damage at best. Even then, it has a base power of 15. So, to the people who want to keep saying Ash should've beat Alain: STFU
@@MrSonicHedgehog ikr
yeah the argument that ash shouldnt have won because he had a mythical is BS. if tobias is allowed to win with a darkrai (a mythical), ash is allowed to win with melmetal.
Should have won Kalos that was the most hype
It does make sense for Ash to win in Alola from storytelling perspective. He is chosen by Tapu Koko. Ash in Alola is chosen by Alolan god, given the Z-ring directly from Tapu Koko despite being a foreigner, trusted to taking care of alolan legendary pokemon (Nebby), and being sent to another paralel world to save the said world from destruction by Guzzlord. It would be weird if the person that was chosen by the god would not win the battle to decide the strongest trainer on alola
I had expected Ash to win in Alola after playing the Sun and Moon games since the player canonically wins in both Sun/Moon and Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon to become Champion and, to me at least, Ash is the "player character" of the anime since he travels pretty much the exact same path as you do in the games with some deviations along the way for more episodes.
But by that logic, ash should have won all the previous leagues too =/
@@Fernando_Cabanillas Yes, but I always thought along the lines of the person who beat him in the league is a different "player character" and they were doing a "wifi battle" where Ash lost. Tobias has 2 Legendary Pokémon, pretty much no one besides the player has a Legendary Pokémon before the postgame content in the games. The others follow similar but still different lines as that.
@@insanityworks4ussu4skrowyt34 if he is supposed to win because he is the player character and each time he looses is because he is fighting a different player character... by that logic... wouldnt it have been possible for there to be a different player character in the alolan league? XD
@@Fernando_Cabanillas Yes, that could have happened. In this case though it did not. Probably because of the fact that the wifi stuff for the Alola games is a bit annoying to do.
@@insanityworks4ussu4skrowyt34 while I agree that the festival plaza is definetly less convinient than the PSS, my point is that your argument is not really proof. He will win because he is the main character unless he doesnt because he went againt another main character :v
I think ASH should have won Kalos as he was the best trainer he could ever be at that league
"Hello pokemon master" .... It felt wrong it wasnt pokemon masters 😅
Johto might have been nice, but he was battling a Pokemon he had no real data on and I don't think Charizard at the time knew any kind of flying type attacks. I could be wrong, but I don't think he did. If anything Ash should have won Sinnoh. He used all of his Pokemon from different regions, he had a much better rival in that season, then Gary was, used all kinds of different move.
Shinnoh is the true season he should have won.
But Toby charizard was off training in the meantime between johto and the battle frontier and if you class the movies charizard also faced a legendary in movie 3
Are the movies canon though?
@@justsomeguy4955 I think yes we have some hints about this here's one when team rocket sees lugia in the Johto anime James says something about the lugia who they saw in Orange island and that lugia was appeared in the second pokemon movie who in that time ash was in Orange island
@@oresti9271 Thanks! I didn't know that.😊
@@justsomeguy4955 your welcome
Ash placed Top 8 in Unova. Regarding that league itself... it was mostly bad. VS Stephan was the only great match. Cameron using only 5 in a full battle was less of a problem. The big problem was Ash isn't as motivated to get better as much, compared to the previous regions. VS Elesa was one of the worst Gym Battles and he skipped facing Drayden and Marlon. Despite already getting 8 badges, he should have fought them to gain more experience.
Kanto was a huge experimentation and resulted in some major errors. Ash getting some badges not by the result of Pokemon battling, his rival losing first in the league making the rivalry pretty pointless at that point and it took about 3 years after Orange Islands for them to face each other properly, Kabutops being immune to Electric, some decisions were just questionable. Ash succeeding in the preliminary rounds in the league was pretty good, despite not seeing 2 of his matches fully. Him losing early was a mix of his situation, a bad start and an untrained Charizard, resulting in Top 16.
Johto was pretty impressive league and despite not having Pikachu against Gary (and him not using Umbreon), it was a solid match. Harrison having 2 of the known Hoenn Pokemon pretty much leads to the next games (and we had no way to use our old mons from Gen1/2 to Gen 3+ until way later) and Top 8 is just the next step. Should he have won here? That's a personal question to answer for pretty much every league. I didn't think he would, as there are just better fighters out there.
Hoenn resulted in Top 8 again, kind of wonder if he'll just be stuck in that place next time, which... happened. His rivals were pretty last minute characters, showing up after Ash's 8th Gym match. As questionable for him to use only the 6 he has used over the course of Hoenn, it is a self-challenging decision which I think is respectable. Using what he has earned and strive forward with confidence.
Sinnoh stepped up as Top 4, and if he won't be Champion here, I would say Runner Up at best. Paul will always be Ash's best rival to face and they presented an outstanding match throughout their consistent journeys we see in the series. Ash used only the 6 he carried that evolved or grew stronger while they progressed and those results concluded in such a satisfying feel that cements this as 1 of the best league battles. The other battles involve a good shuffle of Ash's previous Pokemon and Gible. Some may be rushed, but still better than skipped. I still feel Ash could have at least make Tobias reveal all 6 of his Pokemon, if there was maybe one more episode. He was the first to beat Darkrai and Latios, while the other opponents of Tobias just got beat by Darkrai. They did no better than Ash.
Kalos, I predicted Ash would result in Runner Up, even if I want him to be Champion. Mainly due to Sinnoh's result and they seem to like awarding him step by step (most of the time). This doesn't surprise me but I was when Team Flare executed their plan after the league. I also was a bit worried on all this Ash worship throughout Kalos. I agree that he's a great trainer, but he seem a bit restrained sometimes. I guess there wasn't much there for him to freely express himself, at least from what I remember.
Alola, he is Champion and rightfully deserves it. Yes, Sinnoh, Kalos, and sure Johto and Hoenn are better leagues to gain Champion, but I really enjoyed Ash in this series. A great mix of his trainer self and his character self. As a trainer, he fights at his maximum efforts. As a character, he displays ranges of emotions and reassures others to continue life by listening and helps out the way he knows how. With seeing these experiences, I'm very proud of our boi. Gladion is a 2nd best rival. His appearances in the series isn't much, but he mostly (if not always) has something to display on-screen, whether it's to fight Ash or help other's out. His 3v3 battle in the finals isn't a lot in league standards, but they make good use out of them and it's just as intense. I love how both Ash and Gladion laughed before the final battle of their match, showing how much fun they're having. For the league, since past league shows they just have no time to show us ALL of their full matches (skipping rounds, rushing fights), I'm fine with them showing 1v1 battles. At least their matches can be invested fully in. About Ash's other foes: Faba cheated, so his Hypno getting its pendant chewed up by Meltan was deserving; Hau was this series Morrison and I'm on the side of their match as legit while others complained; Guzma I put this as evenly great with the final battle, though it would help to see more of him. Man, Guzma and Hau should have had more appearances.
See, for me I've watched the whole episode... and I still feel Sinnoh is where he should have won. I always felt it was a cheap way to have ash lose to let his opponent have a Darkrai. That league had Ash taking his training more seriously than any league before it. He worked with his team constantly. The series focused heavily on the idea of a battle style and Ash's fit perfect: high risk, high reward that relied on the trust he had in his pokemon. In Johto you have that Scizor trainer who says that Ash "mostly relies on his pokemon's power to win for him." In Sinnoh, it felt like he took that idea and rather than seeing it as a weakness, leaned into it. That's why so many of his pokemon knew an extremely powerful speed move that either did recoil damage or needed recharge time: Flare Blitz, Volt Tackle, Brave Bird and Giga Impact. He had MULTIPLE fully evolved team members, Avengers styled his line ups and had the most thematically resonant match he's ever had against Paul. But the team wanted Ash to face paul early and it seems like in the storyboarding realized that if Ash beat Paul they'd have to do something SERIOIUS to justify him losing and continuing on his journey. But when you've got Ash with a team that frankly, people playing the 4th gen games would have easily sailed through to victory you have to ask how you justify that loss and Tobias was, in my opinion, the answer they came up with. And IMO, it was a weak answer.
What I'd have done is have Ash face Paul in the finals, eliminate Tobias completely, win against Paul and then have to face the Elite Four of Sinnoh who they'd been building up all darn season. Maybe he doesn't even get through one of them, maybe he gets through a couple but discovers the Elite 4 are just in an entirely different realm still. Maybe you cap the season with an exhibition bout against Cynthia (something the series had ALSO been hinting at up to that point) where she recommends he try the Unova league if you really want him to keep going.
Yeah that's a good alternative. E4 had whole episodes dedicated to each, would've been nice to see
I totally agree. While I think that he should have won Kalos; He should have also won Johto. Can you imagine the way that they could've shaped his character? Going to Hoenn, with a brand new team other than Pikachu, being all cocky like Gary was, and have that character Arch where he loses and then he gains back his normal personality and battles in the league to prove to himself that he is actually strong and isn't going to lose his champion title to the very next Challenger. After losing the Hoenn league, he keeps on going to other regions. Finally, he feels powerful again when he almost wins Kalos, and save the world for the umphteenth time. He's no longer is cocky, but he now has confidence in himself. (I feel like this timeline would have also explained his depression when he lost to the eighth gym leader). In a Alola, he finally wins (not to mention that Alola and Kanto seem to be close to each other canonly). And that nicely goes into gen eight, where he revisits all of the other regions again. A perfect anime.
That Darkrai was super cheating and I always thought that. I mean its a freaking mythical pokemon
Still I think if ash had used his Infernape Infernape could defeated it more easily
His Heracross should have one shot it with megahorn
He used the wrong pokemon in the battle
I think Ash shouldn't have won in Alola. He should have finished top 4 or something and then won in *Galar.*
In Kalos, Ash was the coolest and most capable trainer he had ever been. It wasn't just his team it was the way he carried himself. He was so experienced you could feel that experience exuding off of him. He was the leader of his friend group and he was looked up to by everyone. Alain beating him was a hard pill to swallow but there is a lesson in that, as good as you are there is always a chance someone is better. Plus the match was really close so the lose is easier to bare.
But then Alola rolls around and Ash is goofy. He's presented as extremely kiddish and inexperienced. That's ok because they wanted to reset him from the mature versions presented Kalos, but it's not fair for the inexperienced versions to perform better than the mature version. It's kind of like how Ash was a total noob in Unova. He can be a total noob but he roughly did not win the league there because of his noobness.
Then they could have framed Galar as the best of the best, the ultimate challenge with the most experienced Ash ever! He could have been put into the leadership roll again with a new cool, confident demeanor like in Kalos. And then when in was in the league he should have used all the pokemon he ever collected over the last 8 region.
It would have been the best of the best, all star roster with every Pokemon getting a chance to shine! I'm talking Charzard, Bulbsuar, Squirtle, Septile, Infernape, Greeninja, Incineroar, everyone! It would have been really cathartic to see Ash come so far and win it with all the friends he made over the last 20+ years! It would have been a moment for everyone who ever watch the anime to come together and cheer Ash on! It could have been the culmination of the dream every kid wanted Ash to achieve!
His win in Alola now seems like a wasted opportunity. You only have the opportunity to capitalize on that epic hype for the first-league-win-ever once! I just wish it could feel more like a culmination of a journey with an appropriately seasoned, experienced, and skilled Ash.
Can you tell me how Ash was inexperienced in Alola, you think Ash reset just because he was goofy, not even his Pikachu reset in SM like he was reset in DP, BW and XY, as it take 100 episodes for Pikachu to lost a match and it was against Mythical Pokemon Zeraora, in every important match he shown that he is same Ash he was in AG, DP and XY, here he trained all of his Pokemons and make them strong where in XY/XY&Z he only care about training Greninja, oh yeah he trained his other Pokemons how to dance, even that Dragonair has more training on screen than Goodra and Noivern combined in whole series, as they just fully evolved with almost zero experience, even Rowlet has more battle experience and training than this 2 dragons combined, he even had 2 legenday like Pokemons and both Torracat/Incineroar has multiple battle experience and very resilient personality, even Pikachu was never this much important in any series,
Fans just think Ash was inexperienced because he was goofy nothing more than that.
Im glad you said it, it would have been nice if he went back to Kanto, and really he should have won Kalos.
I kind of like the look of the new art style for the sword and shield anime. It's similar to the sun and moon art style, but leaning more in the direction of the past styles as well.
Why would it matter if he used a mythical Pokémon are you forgetting The Darkrai and Latios in sinnoh
He also beat professor kukui who was the the masked royal who used topukoko at the end of the alola league.
Who has ever considered Noivern as a pseudo legendary?....
I thought it was when it was introduced in black and white then I looked up the pseudo legendaries for gen 5 and gen 6 and it said it wasn’t one
Ash should be able to rotate his team in the new series and train up a roster of powerhouses, supports, and technicians. Then allow Go to catch the majority of dex/cute fillers.
There's no "if you consider it a pseudo" it just isnt lol
Watched the whole video.
For me, it should’ve been Sinnoh or Kalos. Though I definitely understand Johto; I’m not completely sure about the using old Pokémon thing. Pretty sure that’s more of a coincidence.
Hell the Unova loss felt like it had less to do with the Pokémon, and a lot more to do with Ash regressing as a trainer. Eh, just my opinion. Loved the video!
sinnoh I would be fine but not Kalos. Ash-greninja made ash feel to much special and it would've made his win more trough plot and not skill
With that vision yeah... Johto was his prime.
You can also say that changing his whole team every region is a step to mastering any pokémon type to be closer to the pokémon mastery
Seeing this video I can definitely say Toby hasn't been Following the anime since johto
I'm still salty about the Kalos league
I think Alola was the right league for him to win. The battle with Kukui basically soldified Ash's champion status.
Kalos should been a win
Sinnoh's Powersaves kid should not have been a thing in the first place. Also, Kalos was bs
True Dat! I will be forever salty about ash losing the Kalos league.
#Ashshouldhavewonthekalosleague
Ash was already keyword champion when he battled kukui. There were no 6 on 6 battles in the alola league. If he had to battle kukui to become champion 1000% none would be complaining about the alola league.
I'm kinda tired with the you can't counter counter in the games argument. It's clear the ga!we and anime work very differently. Some examples are: moves fainting Pokemon that don't even do damage (ash vs. Roark) turns not even existing, moves with 100% accuracy missing, the elite 4 might not even exist in certain regions (specifically kanto, johto, alola, and unova) the point is, the games are a template for the anime, but doesn't follow all of the games rules.
Agreed with everything besides the elite 4 not existing in kanto and jhoto because at the end of advanced ash battles agatha who he later discovers is part of the kanto and jhoto elite 4
Plus we also see a member of the unova elite battling cynthia
Easy answer in 1 word: Kalos
Not actually the conclusion I come to
@@BirdKeeperToby yeah, HUGE spoiler, but Johto would've been cool too. And that's where it was all going, right?
Odd way to spell Sinnoh
@@BirdKeeperToby To be fair gen 2 was suppose to be the last gen until they realized Pokemon was bigger then they thought so they had to continue it. So in a way you were right. A lot of fans will say Kalos though, me included.
@@BirdKeeperToby personally I don't like the idea of ash winning with ash-greninja. It makes ash feel to special. It feels like other competitors never stood a chance and it would've made ashe's victory less trough skill and more trough plot
I think he should have won Sinnoh. Sure you can say he had the most experience in Johto, but there is one component that the sinnoh team has that made it stronger. The sinnoh team had more evolved pokemon who are much stronger. Then if you take into account that the older pokemon he used had just as much or more experience than his johto team, then his sinnoh team was much stronger. If there wasn't a Darkrai or a latios he would have won.
He should have won Jhoto league he really grew in his journey from Kanto and Jhoto
Everything i want is the remake of episodes of the battle between ash and alan finals with the outcome we want........i wanna hear "And the champion is ash Ketchum from pallet town!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"i wanna hear this line in kalos league so badly..........but i know it is not gonna happen 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭if you agree like below
For me, the sad thing isn’t that he hasn’t won a league until now, although I do count at lease the Orange Islands as a proper league victory, it’s the way it happened. I’ll admit that, growing up watching Pokemon from the beginning, at times, I was disappointed when he lost. When he lost to Harrison, I told myself that he would’ve won if he’d just given his Charizard a minute to catch its breath before trying to attack first, but I’ve come to accept that these were fine losses, even Unova. Unfortunately, to me, the Alola League hasn’t felt like a proper one from the start. It’s been entirely lackluster. The battle royals was mainly nothing but one-shots; the battles up to Guzma were 1-on-1; then 2-on-2; with the championship match being 3-on-3 instead of an all-out battle. I get that this was likely done to be more inclusive for Ash’s friends that aren’t the traditional trainer, but I expected at least Hau and Guzma to get more interesting battles, and Gladion has a good amount of Pokemon to have a full battle. They did it in Unova, they could’ve done the same here.
Sorry for the rant. I’ve just kind been bottled up, and this all flowed out.
Yes, Sinnoh. Aka, the hightest point of the anime.
straight up facts, sinnoh was the absolute best moment of the anime
I think Alola was the right league for him to win. The battle with Kukui basically soldified Ash's champion status. Ssw
I thought they said Ash was never going to win any Pokemon League because they would have ended the show?
People keep telling me that too but I have yet to find any evidence
Honestly feels like a copout because its a new league without a history,new leagues in any sport take time to build up a legitimate reputation and experience (which is necessary to make fair calls) now in the indigo league if a pokemon falls asleep they are technically out and indigo has been around a lot longer then alola (i understand rules can vary between leagues ie, nhl vs euro league) point still stands the victory feels hollow.
Honestly it's about god damn time he won, this friendship thing has not really worked out for him.
I see there has been a slight shift in the camera angle and that mirror is no longer in frame. THANK YOU, that was distracting.
Ash vs Gary was the hypest it came down to Charizard vs Blastoise and was full of so much symbolism it was crushing that he lost to some guy.
They’ve been dragging Sun and Moon for too long it wasn’t even anything major to brag about.
Team Skull was a waste of space.
Battles (other than Trials) were nonexistent.
His friends were lame.
Lillie was annoying (wtf was up with them hinting at her getting Magearna).
Lana getting Eevee was wasted potential.
Team Rocket gave me a bittersweet vibe this Region.
Unova was top 8 not too 16, also Aloha was an official region, so that's why it counts.
After he lost in Sinnoh i stopped caring about the anime
I have 1 thing to say about this if ash won the johto league he probably would not have gon to honen,sinoh,unova,etc. So I call a foul play I fell he should have one the ahloa league. And no he did not win because of melmetal because melmatel only had one official battle before his battle against gladion and his sillvaly and he just evolved before the battle so he needed to get use to his new form. I would also like to note that Ash was spamming double iron bash so yeah. He acuttualy won because of his unpredictable abilities by coutering a couter. So Yeah.
-Primarina Playz
-note i just realized you said sinoh i just didn't finish the video so sorry😣😣
Yeah, his win over the Alola league feels pretty hollow from a story-telling standpoint.
You watched the whole series dude?
@@ezekielhenryjr8118 @ U watched xyz? I can tell u for a fact they hyped up ash winning WAY more in that series. Hell even team rocket specifically mentioned ash possibly winning.
too many plot holes, Overused Greninja and I didn't see the other Pokemon shine. Too little side character development for Serena, Clemont and Bonnie.
In SM the other characters and their Pokemon get their spotlight in order to gain character development, each of Ash's Pokemon has a story to tell as well.
Edit: This is why the SM series is better on storytelling than XY in general, I'm not saying animation because XY/Z is the best at that.
And you say Story telling in SM is hollow, you didn't even watch SM for the looks of things. I even cringe watching this video just by the fact that he dares make a video discrediting SM as the region where Ash won without even watching the entire freaking series.
And also you got disappointed when Ash lose in the Lumiose Conference because of the overhype the writers present to the audience.
In SM it was not the case, they pretty much make me clueless who was going to win until the spoilers came.
@@ezekielhenryjr8118 @ Also in your 2nd comment u say u didn't know who was going to win in sm implying that xyz didn't have that affect? Like U said yourself spoilers straight up said ash won while with Alain vs Ash we literally had no clue who was going to win. Yet u have the nerve to tell me I didn't watch the respective series. Finally also based on how u started your 2nd comment u clearly didn't read mine before commenting as u ranted about arguments I didn't even make and blatantly put words in my mouth.
When I read about his champion win in Alola, my initial reaction was this: FINALLY, the kid gets a break.
Not long after though, I realized that much like the games it's based in, the Alola league is completely new. take that in with how long he's been competing in professional leagues & my reaction becomes: "okay" *shrugs shoulders*.
Haven't kept up with the anime since sinnoh but maybe it'll shift to an anthology style for Galor
If there is 8 badge requirements here and we don't know anything about the characters than we all 100% believe that all the participants are league level trainers as we seen many weak trainer who is even weaker than Lana and Sophocle.
The alolan league was trash.3 v 3 battles.Matches being restarted even though they had been ended. Bs wins like rowlet defeating a decidueye. Mythicals and legendary being used in general.Winning with an under evolved and tbh crappy team that didn't even consist of 6 Pokemon.Entry to all meaning the trials had no significance and no general competition.
I think ash should of won the sinnoh league. Then a new protagonist in unova and won kalos. Honestly I haven't watched more than 4 episodes of alola because of time but I don't think a character should of won that unless they wanted it to be like orange island.
YES, HE SHOULD HAVE WON KALOS OR GEN VIII DAMMIT TOBY!!!
Losing against Tobias was absolute bullshit like what
i feel like he could have won jhoto, sinnoh, or kalos but there are reasons why he didn’t. i feel the reason he didn’t win jhoto or sinnoh is the same. throughout kanto and jhoto his biggest obstacle was gary as he’s never been able to beat him. in the silver conference they were paired up in the top 16 which is pretty early. ash finally beats him and overcomes his biggest obstacle so any other win after that would seem insignificant and minor in comparison. so they brought in harrison who had two pokémon from hoenn that ash knew nothing about. neither kecleon nor blaziken had any information in the pokédex so ash ultimately didn’t really know how to deal with them because he didn’t know what they were capable of and therefore he ended up losing to blaziken. now sinnoh was a very similar situation paul was his main rival that he was never able to beat. they got paired up in the top 8 which is still very early on. ash finally beats paul and overcomes his biggest challenge therefore making any win after seem insignificant and minor. so this time they brought in tobias to make it seem like they’re giving ash a challenge but it’s really just so ash wouldn’t win. now with kalos ash most definitely could have won with ash graninja only there was one minor detail i think people overlook. alan had way more time to use mega charizard (as shown in the mega evolution special where he was able to beat about 10?? megas in a row WITHOUT a break) ash had just mastered unlocking the full power of ash greninja about three episodes before. the league was the first time ash used greninja’s full power since finally unlocking it. he had no time to train using ash greninja before the league. due to this greninja and charizards power just was not on equal footing. yes, greninja has a type advantage (which i’m alan knew how to deal with) but charizard just had more experience in the end.
Except Alain got to heal charizard during that gauntlet of mega trainers. Ash got to battle wulfric with his ash greninja, and even then we can assume he had other practices with it. Even if we discount the one battle with wulfric he still battled the Altaria guy, Astrid and Sawyer and we know he used ash greninja for at least two of those. But even then it’s not like ash didn’t have tons of battling experience with froakie, frogadier, and greninja base form by the time he entered the league. And ash’s greninja cancelled Alain’s strongest move... with a water shuriken. Meaning they were definitely of equal power.
And also charizard was hit with a quick attack and thunderbolt while he was still a flying type so it should still of greatly damaged him.
Drake was obviously inspired by Lance, and official league or not, that was one of the best battles in the history of the anime.
The true answer to this question is to watch pokemon generations and origins as they are way better than any ash anime.
I would agree with origin being a good watch but not with generations. Without playing the games, you wouldn't even know what is happening. And they are just short episodes of the events that happened in the games. Also, in origin, Red's charizard turning into X and being able to adapt quickly into its new form were just plot armor. He just got that mega stone.
Moreover, Sinnoh, is better than origin and generations. Ash was so OP that the writers needed a guy who has a darkrai and a latios just to stop him from winning. And this is also the saga where Ash finally accepted that power of friendship alone will not make you win. Thus, he used everything he had. All of his pokemon, secondary effects of moves, pokemon abilities and freaking type advantages. This is Ash at his peak.
He should have won Kalos but apparently Ash Greninja is also Reverse Greninja that is somehow good against Grass but not Fire...sooo that blew lol
NO. After 22 years of non-stop failure, he _deserved_ that win.
No, he deserved a well earned victory, this league was not well earned.
No one is saying he didn't deserve to win. He just should have won one of the previous ones before it's would be much bigger and mean so much more
His alolan pokemons deserve to win him league as much all the previous teams, this is the league where all of Ash pokemons work hard for him rather than depending on 1 ace.
@@inamdaryasin that doesn't change the fact that it was underwhelming as hell...plus ash never "depended" on one ace since the first pokemon league...so idk what you're talking about
@@ssickhead1 underwhelming? Illima, guzma, kiawe and gladion are all league level trainers, you think 1vs1 to 3v3 battles is the reason is underwhelming than it's false because some of those matches duration is bigger than normal match we seen in previous leagues, Gladion and Ash was basically tobias of Alola league,
Kukui is E4 level trainer and with tapu koko he surpass them.
Ash team in johto and kalos was heavily dependent on Charizard and Ash-Greninja, the whole XY&Z was just about Ash-Greninja as creators and Ash totally forgotten other pokemons existence when noivern really need some good amount of development not even gible ignored that much even though it was introduced very late, his other pokemons only exist to set the stage to his ace pokemon to shine in the end as Ash was spamming Ash-Greninja form in whole season. only hoenn, Sinnoh and Alolan pokemons treated equally in whole series, if you remove Charizard and Ash-Greninja than his Johto and Kalos team would be at huge disadvantage (not counting pikachu) but if you remove any single one of Ash alolan pokemons there is other 3 pokemons can take it's spot.
Kalos was the one i was thinking of. But Johto and Sinnoh would work for me too
Comment section in a nutshell: Sinnoh, Kalos, Kalos, Kalos, Serena, and Kalos! Ah should go back to Kanto and win the Indigo league!
Honestly this is very sad but understandable...
Facts xD
Serena and kalos are too overrated, but I guess its understandable
Now that I think about it, it would’ve made so much more sense if Ash had won in XY. He’s literally on a vacation for Sun and Moon and wouldn’t it have been more fitting for him to be on that vacation AFTER finally winning the Pokémon league? xD I really will never understand why the writers chose Sun and Moon for his victory when XY was so much more fitting in like almost every way.
Although I’m super happy he finally won I think we all know he should’ve won the XandY series, it made the most sense!
not really ash owns a pokemon that only he can use. I personally don't think that's fair and it would feel like he won cuz of plot and not skill. Imagin you competing in yugioh tournament and somebody uses a card only he can use and it's also named after him.
Not really sense Ash focused waaaaaay to much on Ash Greninja instead of ash putting care and focus on all of his Pokemon more
@@mrboerger1620 He did not focused only on greninja. His ace was greninja but all of his pokemon can hold their own
Eeeeeh not really
Mr Boerger the only Pokémon that couldn’t hold its own was noivern the others could
Fun fact about the Sinnoh league, in the final match Tobias only needed Darkrai. Ash was the only trainer in the Sinnoh League to force Tobias to use a second Pokemon
4 words: Yes, the Kalos league
I know a lot of people say Ash should have won Kalos but at least Alain beating Ash didn’t feel cheap like Tobias.
Should have won kalos.
To me I'd say Sinnoh, if it was him vs Paul in the final round. The guy with the Darkrai and Latios came out of nowhere. This league it was confusing that he was allowed to continue after Rowlet fell asleep. What counts as a knock out? He may not have had the swirly eyes but he was still not conscience in time before the ref declared he couldn't continue.
He beat 2 legendaries in this league too just like in sinnoh the difference is his pokemons are more stronger (obviously pikachu has gotten more stronger after sinnoh and Ash had 2 legendary like pokemons) Ash and Gladion is tobias here. And Ash should've lost first round in sinnoh league against nando if Sleep is really count knock out which never happened after Indigo league.
@@inamdaryasin Charizard wasn't asleep during his battle with Ritchie though; it was just being a lazy prick.
@@zimonzieclown1633 it was Squirtle who was called unable to battle even though he was sleeping because of sleep powder.
@@inamdaryasin Oh, okay. My bad.
Me:ash finally won that's good.
Everyone else: whoo ass won!
Toby: I'm gonna make a rant video bitching because it's not kanto.
Me: wtf
A LOT of people share the same opinion as him. This victory is underwhelming
@@ssickhead1 i agree
Simpel it is not about win/lose. It is about HOW Ash wins/loses.
And this Aloha league feels swallow and empty like most of wins were giving to him like 1 seasons gym badges.
@@ssickhead1 exactly didn't feel much of victory at all sadly. The best build ups for victory were truly Johto, Sinnoh and Kalos Leagues. And speacilly Kalos because it was 20 year Pokemon's anniversary. (also of course characters growth and plot and so on ^^;)
He deserved to win in kalos and sinnoh
In my opinion: he should have won Unova
He did switch out Pokemon in Unova. He COULD have swapped out his weaker Pokemon and used a mix of all his best Pokemon. And with that he would have won.
But that whole series seemed obsessed with regressing Ash's character
D'ya wanna know how I Know that Alola doesn't count??
There was no pokemon Alola movie, only "I choose you." & "The Power of Us.", the latter of which Ash didn't even have any other pokemon but pikachu 🙄
Invalid.
Alola wouldn't have bothered me as much if they had included the Island Challenge and/or at least let him have a full team.
If they were looking to wrap up Ash, they should have introduced the Pokemon World Tournament in an Orange League type arc. Have him go through, battle and beat trainers like Gary, Harrison, Alain, etc. Would have been more of a culmination of Ash's arc. You could even introduce a Galarian trainer there as well.
Not being based on a game is probably the argument for the Orange Islands not counting.
If only the Poliwrath episode came before the Indigo league of if Ash used a different pokemon.
Yes, he didn't have as much time with his Hoenn and Sinnoh pokémon, but I'd say that he had way more experience with them because he was shown to be training constantly. Off the top of my head I can only remember him actively training twice (could be more) in Johto; helping Cindaquil light his fire, and right at the start of the league where he thinks he should start beefing up his team. In Hoenn he was actively teaching his pokémon new moves (iron tail, bullet seed, aerial ace, ice beam), and he even used trained during lunch breaks, and during the Grand festival. There was even a whole arc dedicated to him training for his rematch with Brawly. The same goes for Sinnoh. He taught his pokémon how to use aerial ace, brave bird, ice punch and draco meteor, and some of his pokémon even received training from other people while Ash was still working full time on his other pokémon. Paul trained Chimchar, the Air battle master trained Gliscor, and Dawn trained Buizel, who had already been training on its own in the wild.
So, yeah. Ash took his training very seriously in Hoenn and Sinnoh.