Are You Repenting Enough? And Is it Sufficient?
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2024
- Is it possible to be repentant while still engaging in that sin? Jon and Justin explore the nature of repentance and what it means to be a repentant sinner.
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Oh how I wish I had heard the truth explained so well here and understood it 27 years ago. But God’s grace is sufficient and greater than my sin.
❤amen, God's grace is so amazing 👏
When you say someone is in “spiritual danger” when they are unrepentant of sin, you need to clarify your meaning. Are you saying one can lose their salvation? You have said this multiple times now and you don’t clarify your meaning.
It’s about believing in Jesus not yourself
How we understand repentance can be some of the problem, if we see it as only agreeing with what God says about our sin we will continue to struggle. God grants us repentance, is repentance something we do alone? If we are doing it in our own power, is this Godly repentance? We need to understand that repentance is a gift of Gods Grace, it flows from heaven empowered by the Holy Spirit to the saints. We do not repent unless the Spirit is already confirming your status as a child of God. Sure we see a superficial repenting, but true repenting is a drawing nearer to the one who can and does help us in our weakness. A gift of Gods Grace and Mercy given to all the saints. For many it’s a bitter pill to swallow but to those who receive it, what a gift it is to be forgiven!
Incorrect. The Bible says we have repented when we have believed the gospel, and all are called to repent and believe. Your version of repentance seeks to foster doubt, steal assurance, and make it seem impossible. It robs the good news out of the good news. All are called to repent and believe the gospel.
@@medic4christ777 All are called to believe as well but who can believe brother? As you received the Gospel so you will receive much more, all that God gives is received by faith, Saving Faith is actively receiving brother, it is not a dead faith. If you have truly received this new life you will be awakened to a new hope, Jesus Christ ! No longer hopping in self!
Impossible with man but not with God, you are no longer alone in your fight but united to Christ. This is a truth that is being lived out in the power of the Holy Spirit that lives in the believers .
@@medic4christ777 Hebrews 12 is a Good Word to help us understand biblical repentance.
Jesus, Founder and Perfecter of Our Faith
Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.
Do Not Grow Weary
Consider him who endured from sinners such hostility against himself, so that you may not grow weary or fainthearted. In your struggle against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons?
“My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord,
nor be weary when reproved by him.
For the Lord disciplines the one he loves,
and chastises every son whom he receives.”
It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline? If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. Besides this, we have had earthly fathers who disciplined us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live? For they disciplined us for a short time as it seemed best to them, but he disciplines us for our good, that we
may share his holiness. For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
Therefore lift your drooping hands and strengthen your weak knees, and make straight paths for your feet, so that what is lame may not be put out of joint but rather be healed. Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord. See to it that no one fails to obtain the grace of God; that no “root of bitterness” springs up and causes trouble, and by it many become defiled; that no one is sexually immoral or unholy like Esau, who sold his birthright for a single meal. For you know that afterward, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no chance to repent, though he sought it with tears.
@@davidelgeti517Romans 10:14-17
"4 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
This my friend is what is called saving faith given to every person by the hearing of God's Grace by His Word. Spiritual faith also comes by hearing God's Word as we increase our knowledge of it because it is our sword that the spirit. If we don't know it we grieve the spirit because we fail to give the Spirit the tools to help us fight off the temptations of the devil. Same faith to different functions of it.
@@free0234 Romans 11:5-12
So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.
What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were
hardened, as it is written,
“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that would not see
and ears that would not hear,
down to this very day.”
And David says,
“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them;
let their eyes be darkened so that they cannot see,
and bend their backs forever.”
Yes I agree, but my point is that if not for Gods Grace our hearts remain deaf and blind, hearing but not hearing . Repentance, belief and faith begin with God and are given by Grace. The very fact that we have ears at all are all by Gods hand in creating man.
What also for me is very confusional about the repentance doctrine is that i never know in what i should need to repent more or less - i recognize that people just teach this doctrine without understanding it themselves or even not practicing maybe themselves; after they have told this doctrine to a little baby in christ maybe they feel so much spiritual but dont care if they caused to this sheep more confusion
I always felt very confused about it
@735 thanks bro as i was getting some so-called edification for ongoing besetting sin and the one brother said that i wasnt repenting as im still doing the same sin. i walked away discouraged so much that despair came in. so now im looking for that great big repentance situation for relief...
I also asked myself often if i would repent enough - it ends in so much self examination and takes you in confusion and discouragement
What is conditioned upon repentance? The end of 2 Corinthians 6, Paul says "what agreement does the temple of God have with Idols" and quotes the OT saying "be separate and I will be a Father to you"; continuing "Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let’s cleanse ourselves from all defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God." If this implicating of holiness in God being a Father to us isn't weighty enough there - 8 verses later he keeps pushing this necessity of holiness with these stakes: " I now rejoice, not that you were made sorrowful, but that you were made sorrowful to the point of repentance. For the sorrow that is according to the will of God *produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation* , but the sorrow of the world produces death. "
To recap: Paul implicates holiness and separating from the world in God being a Father to us, and quickly reiterates the importance of this repentance by saying it leads to salvation. He had previously reprimanded this church(1 Corinthians) but here we get the clear stakes -- from the end of 2 Cor 5, where Paul speaks on salvific reconciliation and in the same breath humbles them with "be reconciled to God, today is the day of salvation"- the very reason for this humbling is the sin he then exhorts them to stop at the end of 2 Cor 6 through 2 Cor 7:10
The passages above, Paul's belief in these severe implications, help inform us as to why Paul has this direness: "I am *afraid that when I come again my God may humiliate me before you, and I may mourn over many of those who have sinned in the past and not repented* of the impurity, sexual immorality, and indecent behavior which they have practiced." 2 Cor 12:21
If he's clearly telling Christians in 2 Cor 7:10 that repentance leads to salvation (after telling them we need to come out of the world), this verse in 1 Cor 5 is crystalized by that " I have decided to turn such a person over to Satan for the destruction of his body, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord."; in 1 Tim 1 Paul says handing over to Satan is for repentance
That's God's reprimanding facilitating repentance; which Paul says is necessary "But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with the world." 1 Cor 11:32. So here and in 2 Cor 7:10 we see repentance as a necessary cog in salvation
The end of 2 Cor 5 through 2 Cor 7:10 contains a string of warnings/exhortations that culminates here "I'm glad you repented, repentance leads to salvation"; I really urge everyone to keep Paul's train of thought cohesive 2 Cor 5:19-21, 2 Cor 6:1-3, 2 Cor 6:16-18, 2 Cor 7:1 , 2 Cor 7:9-10; Paul culminates in telling his "why" , the reason for the exhortations and reprimanding.. but if you view holiness as unnecessary then you wouldn't culminate your speech with the same "why"; you wouldn't tie up the exhortations with “repentance leads to salvation”; this is a stack of exhortations - would you give it and culminate it the same?
Repentance is necessary as to not to have a callous heart WHICH cannot repent, like Esau. Keep the heart tender towards that hate of sin.
Whats your definition of repent. My bible says its to change your mind. See jonah 3:9-12
Kjv is the only bible that says that
9 and 10
So, what is true repentance? You guys seem to be stating that you can't know what true repentance is. John 5:14 Jesus clearly told the man to sin no more that something worse may happen to him. Also, John 8:14, Jesus told the woman to sin no more. He did not say I know you struggle and agreeing that it's wrong,
he said don't do it. I used to acknowledge things were wrong when I was not born again and still kept in sin. We Jesus sets you free, you're free indeed. That is free not to sin. So maybe you guys can clarify if you care to?
If I’m committing adultery in the church and don’t stop, I’ll be removed from the church. However, if I have consistent lustful thoughts towards another, I won’t be removed from the church. Why is there a difference. Both are sins
You're right. It's all sin, and God knows it even if the church doesn't. Practically, the church can't discipline sins of the heart of which only God knows. The reason Paul teaches church discipline is so the church doesn't tolerate open sin. I agree that the church can't discipline sin unless it's aware of it, but you still have to answer for the sin in your heart.
The whole 1 Thessalonians; the whole 1 Corinthians.
However, you boldly, unashamedly believe & teach the Lord's mercy, grace, intersession & forgiveness only applies for a certain pre-chosen elect? You don't believe all/everyone CAN call upon the Lord for salvation...per: Calvin's Institutes.
The non elect could care less about His forgiveness. There certainly are lost sheep that need to hear the Gospel. I think you're misunderstanding some things here brother.
@@matthewrasmussen4181 I have been reaching out to Calvinists for decades & have been told I understand their beliefs rather well, FWIW.
I'm not sure you understand the context of who the "elect" are in scripture. Most of the time it means those called to service. In Romans 11 it refers to unbelieving Israel as elect. ANYONE who receives Jesus as Savior becomes the elect & the chosen... very different from Augustine-Calvin theology. They taught it's a pre-selected limited few.
We have no control over our *repenting. It is purely, Holy Spirit Driven.
Romans 10:9-10, John 16:8-11, Ephesians 2:1-10. The Holy Spirit is the one who brings us to repentance. It is through Him that we feel guilty over sins and have a desire to repent and come to God.
What if we're committing sins in which we're not sure are sins and don't repent. Or if we're a believer and don't repent do we lose our salvation?
What sins are you committing, that you're not sure aren't sins?
If it's too personal I can give you my email.
@dannodoesfunthings8100 Like taking two of my Klonopin anxiety meds in the afternoon to nap instead of one twice a day for anxiety. Plus taking my muscle relaxer with it to help nap since I have insomnia and can't sleep much at night. Thanks@@dannodoesfunthings8100
We all have indwelling sin we don't even know about. This is the point of the video, we are at war with our Spirit. When we agree with God about sin and who we are, His mercy is about. Our sins are deep, thankfully God's mercy is deeper!
@@dannodoesfunthings8100he's talking about indwelling sin, hidden sin.
Im starting to consider the Orthodox view of scripture. Im someone whos grown up in a protestant background. But I've noticed that Christianity in the west is made up of millions of atomized individual interpretations of scripture that seems to only divide into incoherent subjectivity.
For example, ive begun noticing that Christians who live closer to inner cities where crime and violence is blatant will have a more aggressive tone towards repentance (which is justified, given Paul had to deal with Crete)
I guess what I'm saying is I'm tired of a million voices of subjectivity and emotionalism.
You know what I mean?
I don’t think you have to leave Protestantism in order to leave behind subjectivity and emotionalism.
Those things also annoy me (I grew up in a mega church), but I was able to find a Bible-loving church within the Protestant tradition that took great care in what they taught, while avoiding both of those things.
I definitely relate to what you’re saying, and I know many Protestants who initially considered EO for similar reasons. I wanted to share that to encourage you as you consider other traditions. Gavin Ortlund has been a tremendous resource for me in these endeavors with his UA-cam channel, Truth Unites.
All that to say, a church without subjectivity and emotionalism (or at least, substantially less) is not impossible to find within Protestantism. And we all rely on private judgment to determine the meaning of Scripture, so it’s not like we can escape that.
You are assuming that such emotionalism isnt present in EO, and that all interpretations are important. My interpretation of John 1:1 is not as important as my interpretation of 1 Timothy 2:12 (Salvific vs tertiary issue)
I find it ironic how you guys disagree with Lordship salvation, but then see the need for repentance…. Why can’t I just have faith in Christ, not repent, and be ok?
I’m not trying to stir up the pot, I’m being very serious.
The line needs to be drawn somewhere between what a faith that saves looks like, and what a faith that does not save looks like
Their repentance is NOT giving up obvious sins, but controlling the use of sins by the power of grace.
@@daniellim8964 but why do that unless Christ is Lord? It’s His Spirit that convicts and transforms. I just don’t see how one can serve both the world and Christ?
I’m not disagreeing with the fact that true faith involves repentance. I’m just saying that you are going to confuse ppl when you also teach a cheap grace gospel. The grace that was bought for us came at a very high price. A price that if one truly believes makes Christ Lord.
@@inseinenstudios6404 it is about what Christ did, NOT performance based, but there are a few sins that must be given up, NOT the regular sins that the flesh does with a struggle.
@@inseinenstudios6404 there are regular sins, irregular sins and unnatural offences
@inseinenstudios6404 of course no one who is born again can truly love even regular sins
These conversations, and so, so many like it are what you get when your run the Kingdom Gospel through the Euro-Amero cultural meat grinder and get religion burger. Try feeding this sandwich in Bolivia, Nigeria or better yet, in the hoods, barrios and downtowns of California.
Not once did I hear the words of Red Letter Jesus proclaimed. Even though I live inside of Romans 8, I was once Paulianitan too. I am now free in Christ, Cross and Empty Tomb. Shalom everyone.
Brothers, I am not sure if you are causing more harm than good. It’s like you’re both trying to figure it out and everyone who watches this sees you stumbling around. I truly think you both need to be under a more qualified elder and humbly learning rather than doing this show. With love consider what I am saying, brothers. 🙏
There is no confusion.
Repentance is not a good work, it is a change of mind. Progressive Sanctification which is about being transformed is not part of repentance.
( Regeneration precedes faith )
It’s just the presentation.
I don't see any stumbling at all: they seem solid in their convictions, whether they be right or wrong.
@@ianrobertson2480 Repentance is more than a change of mind, it is also turning to do the will of the father, turning from your will to do His. What good is it to agree with God but continue to do nothing towards God? Your mind is changed and by default your direction turns Godward as well. Faith is actively agreeing and pursuing in a reasonable hope that God is good! A life of repentance is a life that again and again turns from our will,our thinking to His. Think of repentance as something we grow in as God ways prove to be so much better than the way of the world.
@@davidelgeti517 👍James 1:22-25