I Wish Someone Told Me This About Vertical Monitors (GAME CHANGER)
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- I stare at it all day, and after 15 years, I finally tried it and love it.
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1 landscape 1 portrait - This is the way.
Have you tried ultrawide? I used to have two monitors until I tried an ultrawide. I'm curios if one 27" landscape with two 21.5" portraits would do a better job than only one ultrawide, but I'm not sure it would.
@@alexandru-ilea ultrawide is an expensive meme, just buy a TV sized monitor, you get twice the amount of space of the ultrawide for cheaper
@@szlomobronsztajn3115 same Alex here, ultrawide is larger on horizontal not vertical. More vertical size doesn't help me because then I have to look up more which is uncomfortable in my opinion. I like to look a bit down to my monitor not straight or upwards as that feels like it hurts my eyes more.
I went with a 38inch Asus pg38uq 4k. Snap one half of my code editor and it acts like a vertical display. Then the other half would be a quadrant of windows. I just prefer one big display rather than have multiple.
2:29 - “your question is marked as duplicate”
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Honestly, I don't. Not since ChatGPT
I recommend LG Dualup
Didn't know about this one. Will look into it. Thanks!
yup totally i was about to tell the same
Dualup is exactly what I was thinking too
Would be very interested in seeing your thoughts on it! I was going to suggest it also
Yes! The DualUp is the way to go. I have this plus the LG 5K2K curved monitor. Although I use the DualUp for my browser and the 5K2K for my dev IDE.
I hate vertical displays because they contrain the WIDTH of the windows too much. For me nothing beats a 32inch 4K display. I use that for coding and never feel like there isn't enough height on my apps windows but the best part is I can make my windows as wide or as narrow as I want/need. That's a liberating feeling. I rarely need to use the macbook monitor when I'm on my 32inch monitor, I use just that one screen for everything and it allows me to focus better too rather than with two or three monitors with stuff flashing and moving on them constantly.
You might want to check out LG's Dual Up Ergo 28in Monitor - 60 Hz (2560 x 2880) Nano IPS Display. I think it will be more expensive however and I am not sure it is enough of a spec bump from the one you are testing now
The Benq RD240Q has "only" 2560x1600 pixels and a display ratio of 16:10. I think the RD280U and RD280UA with 3840x2560 pixels with 3:2 ratio and a better coating are much more interesting for coding and the other things you mentioned.
I'm also getting the RD280UA from BenQ and will check that out as well.
I tried for some time for general office tasks and found that I was still scrolling. The top and bottom parts are too far away to read there with comfort. It's like on a phone, you scroll more than you need to to keep the text you're reading in the middle where your eyes are. I prefer normal orientation for screen sharing, my main monitor is much bigger than a laptop monitor that I might be sharing to which makes it hard to see for the person on the other side.
This is true but if you know something is up or down there, then you can quickly move your eyes to it. Code or spreadsheets in particular.
If coding is your work, need to use pro tools at home office, 5k 40” curved will give decent ppi, enough vertical space and far corners not too far away, plus it can be all over single type-c wire including 90W power delivery
I used to have a 32" 4k monitor in portrait and another in landscape with my Mac mini. It was amazing for multi tasking.
You should check out the LG Dual Up monitors that offer a 16:18 aspect ratio. I have two and find they work very well for my needs.
I have one as well, it is now a must for working effectively.
are you using BetterDisplay? this thing changed my life. There is no more "oh you need 5k blablabla scaling mac 200dpi blabla". No... even on 24" FHD display, by simply turning on HiDPI, which will scale it up and then scale it down, it makes such a difference. On 1440p 32" monitor as well. I used to think Windows was superior in scaling, but now that I use Windows as primary device again, my extenral displays look like crap. Plus, you can control brigghtness of connected displays, which I didn't even know you can do over HDMI and DP ports. same of built in displays XDR config, bumping the brightness to higher than standard and having full control. It's a godsend that I wish would be available on Windows as well.
Totally agree. Worthy of a video on its own. Best MAC utility ever 😀 and the basic version is free.
Rotated screens no longer alias fonts correctly because the pixel arrangement is also rotated. Also, comparing a high DPI display to a low one is unfair. Get a 24" 8k IPS and compare it to your MBP. There.. apples to apples.
This benQ monitor probably looks great on windows with it's scaling options, but on mac nothing will look crisp enough unless it has the mac recommended pixels per inch. its the only reason why the studio display is worth getting. have you seen those DIY guides for making your own 5k monitor with the panel from LG off ebay? its a half priced studio display
i will have to check it on windows. my LGs look good on both windows and mac
and does this make you realize that horizontal taskbars and menus on widescreen screens are idiotic?
i've always moved my taskbar to the left of the screen ever since monitors went widescreen. i really don't know why microsoft and apple love to waste precious vertical space with these things when there is almost always a lot of perfectly good dead horizontal space they could use
🤔 gotta try
About 2008 I used to have a 2 Samsung (forgot the model but it’s 1600x1200) 3:2 aspect ratio in portrait orientation. Using xrandr scripts and docking port it worked really well. However these days since 2018 I moved to a single ultra wide monitor. I am also trying to minimize to only use a smaller window. Because to be honest our field of vision is narrow. Less multi tasking is better as humans can’t really multi task.
Portrait mode is just one of the reasons monitors should be 16:10 instead of 16:9.
How about 16:12 (4×3)? 16:16!
@@PatousMcGillicuddy Agree that 4:3 is superior for some uses.
if there were affordable 28" / 32" 4-5K 16:10 monitors, i would be less inclined to rotate them :)
I run iMac Pro w/ 4 EXTRA 4k monitors, two vertical and two horizontal on the outside.. It's dreamy
It's in your avatar even. That's a lotta
@@AZisk That's my old setup. The new setup is way more extreme. 180 degreees of monitors. All around me. Curved 32" Dell 4k's
@@RealtyWebDesignersyoutube will have to implement 360 avatars for your next one then :) cheers
ADHD^4 😂
I’ve been using two 27” 4k monitors, one in landscape and the other in portrait, for years… works perfectly 👍
Like switching to the Dvorak keyboard, this is something that people do, talk up how revolutionary it is to their world, and then quietly switch back.
I'm thinking about buying an LG dualup.
after reading the comments, it seems INNOCN 28C1Q & BenQ RD280UA are good alternatives too
My life changed after I started using a 43" 4k monitor. I mostly use my macbook for its keyboard while having slack open on it
This. I wish they had more 35-40” 4k options. Too many 27-32”.
Idk where I would put that. Seems too huge a difference :)
I put it right above the MacBook centered and a bit farther back in the desk. I then have my IDE in the middle of the big monitor and only put quick access apps on the corners like discord, folders, Spotify, docker for desktop, etc
Apple devices often face this pixelation issue. These devices don't really care about external displays. So you'll always have this issue
@@lalitsharma3137the pixelation comes from the low resolution on the monitor, nothing to do with Apple. However win does handle low res better, as it needs to run on whatever legacy hardware, but it’ll still be pixelated
I bought an INNOCN 28C1Q 2560x2880 monitor for vertical purpose and it rocks!! I have an LG 4k 3840x2160 and my laptop as a 3rd monitor. Had this for several months now.
8:00 well, it's unfair to compare a retina display monitor against a 'conventional' (or non-retina) monitor. a display with a pixel ratio of 2 like the Retina display will always be much more 'crispier' than any monitor with a pixel ratio of 1, regarding text and assets 'crispness'. Aside an Apple monitor, if you want a desktop monitor that looks nearly as a retina display, you can try the LG Ultrafine 5k monitor that has 5120 physical pixels wide and 2880 physical pixels tall, and use it like a 2560 x 1440 retina display (5120 / 2 and 2880 / 2) to get tack sharp text
IPS panels are the best for scrolling text, since white-to-black and black-to-white and corresponding values grey value transitions in opposite directions take up a very similar amount of time. TN panel has sticky whites, VA panel has sticky blacks that linger for a few frames.
But i also think 120Hz or more is very good for the purpose of quickly scanning through text like that.
Hello Alex,
I am eagerly anticipating the commencement of medical school this fall. As a current Windows user, I have been contemplating the transition to a MacBook Air, particularly after your insightful discussions regarding the new Snapdragon chips. I am looking forward to watching your reviews and would appreciate a diverse range of topics beyond just coding. Thank you in advance for your guidance.
lol it’s funny watching this as someone who’s been rocking a vert monitor since 2008 and now has the LG DualUp as my main and only monitor.
The Joke on stack overflow cracked me up 😂
It’s mostly llms now bro
that monitor should be reasonably "crisp", what you're seeing is likely just an artifact from how MacOS renders the display. from what i recall it likes to render a 5k image and then downscale, and if the ratio isn't perfect you'll get some pixelation or blurriness. it's especially noticeable on a 4k monitor
about having to look up... you could put the previous monitor lower as you did with the current one
you had room to adjust positioning and didn't do it so I don't get the point of getting a new one
Until recently, Eizo sold the EV2730Q, a 1920x1920 26.5-inch *square* monitor. There are reviews on UA-cam, but as it's been discontinued, the LG DualUp is the way to go, and much cheaper to boot.
You are right, simply looking ahead is more natural. I have even tried 4K televisions up to 50" and having to look up is the most uncomfortable.
Back in the day when I was editing pages of LISP code, I'd print it out on our tractor-feed dot matrix so I had a long strip... I'd drop it off the back of my worksurface (I was dwelling in a cube farm of course), pull it under, and tape the top to the bottom in one big loop. then I could push it forward and back continuously as I searched through the code with my yellow highlighter and red pen. It may sound archaic and crude, but I really miss those days. I could get "in the zone" and work quite productively for hours. So hard to focus like that these days....
The reason you see pixelation is that MacOS non integer scaling SUCKS, native 1080p or 1440p looks pixelated since mac doesn't do font trickery like windows. Maybe you can survive on a 4k 27" or a 1440p 24" but the scaling would not be accurate so you'll get less than optimal clarity and reduced GPU performance.
Now for the real solution, there is the Apple studio 5k 27" but that's too big for you, or you need a 24" 4k (I believe only LG makes them, they have two, both IPS, the older one is glossy and would be perfect for your use, and there's a newer matte one but I haven't seen any reviews for it). You could also consider using a cheap used 5k/4k iMac but not sure if it's possible to mount that vertically, I'm not even sure apple still allows you to use it as an external monitor.
I Use my MacBook Pro docked with a Samsung 4k 27inch monitor in vertical and an iPad Pro with sidecar when I need more real estate.
the laptop screen is always off. its almost like having 2 1080p monitors stacked on top of each other without the bezels.
I think the form factor and the 16:10 aspect ratio of the Benq monitor is great. But 2560x1600 on 24 inch is about 125ppi, which is not enough for sharp text on MacOS. So, I would still prefer using a 27 inch 4k monitor and not use the top space at all. By the way, IPS: In-Plane Switching :)
60Hz is not ok..
Should be at least 120Hz.
For a desktop I'd recommend.
a stand for the laptop to the left.
a main middle 1440P 16+/9 aspect ratio monitor (optional middle top monitor, same ratio as main).
a right tilted with 1440P 16/12 aspect ratio.
A great mechanical keyboard & a high end mouse.
All connected with a highend USB hub..
Pref with a dedicated eth net also.
i think every position have + and - . For me is hard to watch left
ight long time (if you coding for example). It's much worse for my neck than watching a laptop)) My current position is 28inch 4k in the middle, at the bottom i have 16inch 2k monitor (it can be a laptop, or just 16 inch screen, for me it's 16 inch screen cause i don't like use laptop screen and in the summer it's hot to use a keyboard...). And in this variation you have some space in left
ight for portrait\landscape monitor, and also have some space at the top 28 inch (if you want).
2 landscape stacked right in front of you, laptop off to the side as an extra space for discord or whatsapp, and a vertical monitor to the other side, which spans the height of the 2 stacked landscape monitors. Using a 32" 4K M8 Samsung smart monitor for main, 28" Samsung 4K for uppper landscape, and Smasung 34" Ultra-Wide for vertical monitor, which is almost exactly the same height of the 2 stacked in landscape mode. I would never use my 13" macbook display as a main monitor while I have larger externals available.
If you think this is a game changer try the largest monitor you can find. It is practically a widescreen and a vertical in one device which is heaven
the 28" LG DualUp 2x2K 2560x2880 feels too grainy if you are used to MacBook/iMac PPI levels & it's quite expensive too.
a 32" 4K in landscape 2K virtual resolution has the best price / productivity / convenience ratio.
if only we could disable some of the upper part of a 16:9 screen when it's in vertical orientation... because looking up is indeed gets uncomfortable quick.
i think it's possible to do so in X11 with xrandr, but how can we achieve that in macOS?
Mac OS is not that great at scaling certain resolutions. That's why you're getting pixelation on the BenQ
The Samsung Viewfinity S9 5K can rotate. I would think that picture qualitywise the S9 would be the monitor of choice.
PS The Studio Display can also auto-rotate, but then you need the Vesa option
welcome to 2015 dude, i run 2 32-inch vert-monitors plus 6 landscape 32 inchers and 1-65 inch at my battle station. Nothing sits on my desk .
This is my exact setup since 5 years, right vertical monitor, left horizontal, and mac in the middle on an elevation to match the monitors hight
Another good variant is using a 4k tv as a monitor 42-50" It looks like 4 fullhd monitors 2*2 - very convenient. Also laptops are really bad at ergonomics 😢
The Prison simulator - 4x 28' LCD in pivot, all M28U. Any bigger monitor would have top bar too high to comfortably use daily.
Apple studio display and just adjust the windows to the height you want. Just a thought. Eye level and better monitor with more options. Waiting for Apple to update Studio Display. Please Apple.
I also switch 1 month ago one monitor vertical. I love it for reading documentation or for Email's. And I have the same Setup. Only I have tree times the same monitor instead using the Laptop monitor.
I ran a 1440p 27" next to a 34" 3440x1440 ultrawide for a long time.
Sometimes reviewing and utterly crap code hase it helps
Having nice vertical space and the monitor on eye level is also possible if you just use a 32" (NOT ultra-wide) monitor 🤷🏼♂
On my treadmill setup I have an LG Dual UP monitor flanked by a 24in 1080p monitor on each side. This allows me to keep my focus on the main screen, and keep notes and documentation, chat, email etc, off to the side. It also keeps me from having to turn my head too much, which is annoying while on a treadmill. My only complaint is that the side monitors have a much lower ppi, and I think 1440p monitors would work much better. That, and trying to use multiple computers with 3 monitors means lots of toggling each time. I really want to try a 4k ultrawide, but they're a little pricey at the moment.
Haven't heard of Dualup - looks cool
I’ve worked on a treadmill for 15+ years and agree that a monitor straight ahead with chat/notes off to the side works best while working and walking. I used to have a portrait off to the left and landscape in front above my MBP. Recently went to a 1440 deep ultrawide and ditched the portrait as I wanted more width right in front. It’s definitely a different experience, but working for me.
@@NigelBassman My sit down desk is also a 1440p ultrawide with my laptop off to the side. It's been working better than I expected after using 3 monitor setups exclusively for the past decade. I can fit 3 windows on the screen at once as long as I hide the side bars, or 2 depending on what I'm doing. I'm moving soon and I'll probably mix it up, but I'm not sure quite where i'll land.
@@AZisk If you want a little more wide in your vertical monitor, it's a great solution. 4 windows in the 4 corners also works pretty well if you don't scale the screen too much.
Sometimes, you remind me of that guy who bought the chainsaw because he had a field of 50 trees to cut down.The salesman said he could probably cut down all 50 in a week or so. After a week, he brought the chainsaw back to the salesman he bought it from and complained that he could only cut down about 3 trees in all this time. The salesman, genuinely shocked took the saw out back, lifted it, and yanked the starter corde. The saw motor screamed to life, and the guy who bought the saw yelled, "WHAT'S THAT?!!!"
i feel like this too sometimes. nice story :)
I cannot use more than one monitor, so I use 4:3. I can see more code rather turn my head turn to the left and leaves the right side empty then my neck hurt. Or read something centered and leaves gaps at the left and right, just a waste of space for me.
If only macOS had an option to rotate external display. Mine always disappears when I need it. I need to reconnect the display, relaunch the settings app etc. just to rotate the damn screen.
Nope. You'll get pain in your neck soon enough looking so much up or down the vertical monitor.
What's wrong with a little scrolling?
I use Spectacle and hot keys for moving windows and resizing them both in single monitor mode and when I use dual displays.
oh come benq, monitor for programing with 60hz and with that dpi? disappointing! at least 120hz and 150 ppi
It looks like my setup. But I have the laptop on the left, the horizontal monitor in front of me and the vertical to the right.
I also put the laptop on a little base so that it aligns with the base of the monitors
Lg Dual Up is the way
Or get better with code and file navigation?! Also that long methods\classes… it’s a sign :)
Love the video. You should get you camera sensor cleaned tho lol I thought my screen was dirty
LG Dual Up Ergo. I’ve read excellent reviews. Only Alex is missing in these reviews
Main monitor: 32" landscape.
Left: 32" portrait
Right: 32" portrait
Notebook closed somewhere else.
This would be my setup... Just need 2 extra 32 4k monitors :)
I have a 30" in the middle and two 22"s in portraits flanking it. Best setup ever. Your idea is really great, I might do that too or get an ultrawide with 27"s on the sides.
Why not put your macbook in clamshell and use dual external monitors? Much more natural and ergonomic
Im sold, recently moved as well, im going to try this setup out.
4k Vertical 27 Inch
1440p 32 ultrawide horizontal.
Usually I only do 4k 27 for gaming and 1440p for coding ( separate system) Will report back.
after using for an hour, reading/coding on 4k vertical feels so natural...
I have a 27" 4k LG display and portrait mode makes it too high. I was a pain in the neck.
4k vertical monitor, with a bit smaller scaling - my fav setup
also - strongly recommend rectangle app to manage windows - thats a "game changer" x2
totally agree, i have a 27 inch 4k in Landscape and a 24 inch 4k in portrait. Its perfect!
Standing up straight is slanted? I guess I walk around slanted every day in that case.
good monitors start at $999 bare minimum actually double that to get something usable
I use a 32" 4k as my main monitor and the LG Dualup off to the side.
LG Dualup
Brother... It's 2024... We have been using monitors in portrait since the days of CRT.
tried vertical monitors, too much bezel, even tried vertical 27", tried 50 inch 5kx1.4k from dell, too wide, it seems the ideal setup is what Apple provides, around 34" maybe max 40 inches and as high resolution as possible
Sounds fun, until you start feeling your neck from looking up too much.
i just realized this man... loves monitor!
you touched your laptop screen.. fingerprints...😵
if your function is longer than your normal screen then something is wrong there lol
I use to use internal laptop screen + 27 pivot dell + 27 landscape dell.
But finally I movie to 2x27 landscape monitors without using internal MacBook screen.
I mean... a laptop stand so you don't have to look down?
9:08 Do a longer form review. Good work as always!
My setup - 2 stacked landscape + 1 portrait, all 27" dells
LG DUAL-UP is the one. Loving it. It deserves much more popularity. If I was the product designer, I would do exactly this. It has all the things I was craving for.
Mainly an actual proper two-16:9-monitors-in-1-vertically solution. And powers the laptop as well, clean single cable solution. Nice multi-flexi pole-stand, frees up desk space, no need of 2 power bricks, 2 power cables, 2 display cables.
Great video Alex, making me consider whether I want to introduce a vertical monitor to my own setup.
Also, I had a question about Apples M series chips that I'm not sure if you've answered elsewhere or not (if you haven't, it might make a good video!). The question is, from a developer perspective is it better to get a current gen M or M Pro chip or to get the previous gens M Max chip (so for example, the current M3 Pro vs the M2 Max). I know they tend to score similarly benchmarks wise, but in terms of real-world performance is there much of a difference? The Max chips tend to have more cores and come with more memory and storage as standard for example, but is a more up to date chip able to offer better performance despite the lower cores and memory.
Anyway, keep up the great videos Alex 👍
Every time I see someone giving these type of "tips" I always shake my head... Just buy a big 4k TV! Like 50 inch is perfect size. Now you have the equivalent to 4 fullhd 25 inch monitors without any borders... You can position your windows to use the full height next to each other and thus get 2 huge standing "monitors" for very little money!
for a long time, I had three vertical monitors, however, not all laptops, support 3 monitors and switching input to multiple laptops was a pain. I found ultimate solution: get a 55 or 65 inch curved TV. They’re only about $500 - $700. And use apps like magnet or fancy zones that will allow you to easily divide up your monitor to 3 portrait sections and you effectively have three vertical monitors using a single monitor! and the tools like magnet and fancy zones allow you to instantly convert sections of your monitor to landscape as well. so for example, you can easily have two landscape on top of each other plus a vertical on the side. It works amazing and I try to tell everybody about it. On your set up since you have your Teleprompter and other equipment right in the middle that may not work but for most people it’s amazing.
9:00 "Longer form review". -- yes please! When I use Apple Xcode or Android Studio, their UIs push me toward landscape mode. It's the best way to view the relevant panels -- source tree, design, code, logs, simulator / debugger. But, when I use vi / vim in multiple terminals or in split views, I can see the benefits of portrait mode.
M book is a custom calibration for MacBooks from Ben - was eagerly waiting for your inputs on that! please do one soon,,, I have spent 1000s (Indian rupees) on monitors for my base intel 2018 MBP with no luck in getting the 'heat' under control!
I currently have a dual TB display setup that I use with a trash can Mac Pro. I design 3d models, I watch UA-cam, I use a slicer for the models and even use visual studio code. And running these 4 programs at the same time is a little frustrating because I don’t have enough space to run two apps horizontally on both monitors, and sometimes have to switch between windows to get more space. But seeing your setup I remembered that I have a 15” portable display that I got as a gift years ago that I used for my laptop when I first started designing and programming. I can mount it on top of the horizontal monitor and make the second one vertical. Its exactly the width I need without having to buy a third monitor or upgrade to a bulky 32”. What are the odds that this video is what I needed. Thank you!
Lean the vertical display back a bit and put a 5:4 above it and start playing pinball. Having both orientations is best.
Thanks for the review and suggestions. I would love to see a more detailed review of the BenQ developer monitor. I am surprised that it feels pixelated. I have a BQ 32 UHD screen and although it's chunky the experience has been first class. I use the hockey puk all the time to switch between different light modes for different tasks
Wait until your eyes get older and you need glasses with progressive lenses. Then looking down onto the internal monitor and looking up onto the external monitor will get really annoying. 😢 So I tend to put the mac beside my monitor, put the monitor as low as possible and use an external keyboard. But I’ll give it a try with portrait mode.
Thanks for all your videos. I enjoy them!
When you put a window in a vertical 4k HiDPI monitor, the width of the screen is only 1080, which is too small for any window. The only use for a vertical setup is reading documents.
Lol you just discovered this now in 2024?
I have an ultrawide 34 QHD horizontally and a 24 QHD on vertical. This for me is the perfect setup. Sometimes I feel the want of another one on vertical on the otherside, maybe on future.
I’ve tired all variations, the best setup I’ve found and still use today is 2 horizontal monitors stacked on top of each other and then a vertical monitor to the right (left side is horrible).
Try it and let me know if you agree
the pixels on the Monitor are visible because of the low ppi.
I bought a used lg 24in 4K monitor as my vertical monitor for $200. 218ppi and can daisy chain with my 5k 27” monitor. Highly recommend!
For me the value lands on the possibility of having 3 full size applications on top of each other in 1 screen, easily done with Magnet. I usually do Slack at the top, browser in the middle and postman at the bottom. Code on the main monitor and closed macbook
Am using portable monitors, one in office and one at home. 16 inch in office, 13 at home. Normally use 13 on portrait, and 16 landscape. Portrait is always on right side, 16 is on top of my MacBook Air.