Polestar hasn't officially released news yet but I found in their latest investors presentation that Polestar will have access to Supercharger network in North America via an adapter on June 24th. I'm guessing we'll see Volvo doing the same at around the same time. Just adding this for extra information pertaining to other brands and their access to NACS.
Thanks Tom, passed this info to my Son who is interested in a Rivian R1T, this really helps especially in Canada where reliable 200KW or over CCS charging is far an few between!
Sounds like Tom is selling lots of cars and adapters. I bought a Ford Lightning after his Supercharger video, and I bought an A2Z adapter after his review of it yesterday! I'll be getting a free one from Ford, but I don't want to wait for it. So I'll use the A2Z until then, and later it will become my backup. 🙂
The big difference between high and low quality adapters will be number of insertions before contacts deteriorate. Weaker contacts produce resistance causing heat and less power transfer to your EV. After numerous insertions on the cheap ones, arcing occurs causing carbon for more resistance / heat and eventually a fire. Amazon probably will offer some from China near $99 that won’t have the new UL listing when completed.
Another great video Tom. Great of you to read those disclaimers for the viewers out there so they know full well in case they decide to go with one of those two adapters from two reputable companies. I also agree that most drivers out there are not going to wait several months for their official adapters. I can add that there are other UA-camr EV drivers out there using them. Especially the A2Z one. So there are plenty of videos for the viewer to review as part of their proper research before making their decision. It's better to show these than them just buying any cheap brand from the web that could possibly backfire on them.
Too funny, we also just charged our Rivian at this exact supercharger this week and made a video. Someone told me they recently saw @mkbhd there with two CyberTrucks as well. Small world! Thanks for the great video!
When Tesla launched the CCS1 to NACS adapter, I immediately bought one for road tripping thinking some areas wouldn’t have enough Superchargers for our model S. To my surprise, I’ve never needed a non-Tesla DC fast charger and haven’t used the adapter. I’m certain the NACS to CCS1 adapter will get used for road tripping our EQS. Sadly, MB appears to be at the end of the line.
Hi, thanks for all your time and for sharing your knowledge. What about Mercedes-Benz? I remember hearing and watching some UA-cam videos in the past saying that Tesla was opening up to Mercedes-Benz as well. I also think it was Kyle Connor that mentioned this over on out of spec reviews.
also probably because Rivian charge port is in the front left corner it may be more reachable without having to take more than one space it seems that cable reaches?
I read somewhere that a Rivian owner fried their charging port with the Lectron adapter. Not sure if this is true, but I am a bit concerned what would happen if one of these adapters damaged my (Comingnsoon) R1S - as far as Rivians position about the warranty coverage.
It's happening, one automaker at a time! Good to see! I'd be very curious to know if your "Ford" adapter is almost identical to the adapter in the "Magic Dock" stations. That'd be my guess, but the "locks" would likely be different. I get the impression that the A27 and Lectron adapters are more robust and solid than the "official" one that Ford sent you.
Have you considered discussing how the various chargers integrate with battery storage? I am particularly interested in the FranklinWH system. I believe they have a product coming out called eHub that provides a specific interface for chargers (though I don't know how it works), but does support VtoL (VtoH, VtoG) so the interface can also use the car battery as part of the storage system as well as charge them.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughneyI imagine the wait times will compound as more manufacturers are activated. They should do whatever testing is necessary and formally approve third-party adapters. In the interim, I'll use my A2Z adapter once my manufacturers are activated.
@@Wasabi9111 I have two EVs that are slated to be activated 4th quarter this year and 1st quarter next year. Being the impatient type, lol, I bought it in anticipation of long delays and also for the possibility that it will work prior to the official announcement. Soooo I can't answer your question yet 😀
Tom are there any short extension cables to solve the problem of charge ports being on different locations on non-Tesla cars? I wonder if you can suggest that to these adapter makers.
At least the charge port door doesn't actively block the cable like on the Lightning and Mach E. Ford should work on a fix to swap the opening direction.
The adapters don’t connect the AC pins on the CCS side. All chargers (Superchargers, Destination, CCS, J1772) have a “handshake” process before connecting the high-power pins. Tesla Superchargers/Destination chargers require the car “respond properly” before turning on the 240V AC or 400V DC power. If you plug one of these into a Destination charger, it won’t receive the right response, so won’t ever put 240V AC power on the pins. Likewise if you use a TeslaTap or similar AC adapter for Destination charging to J1772, and plug it into a Supercharger, the Supercharger wont’ get the right response, and won’t turn on 400V DC.
Ford has probably sent out less than a couple hundred. Rivian hasn't started yet. I doubt the two companies will finish sending all of their customers the free adapters by the end of this year
Nothing will work at this point. The VW/Tesla agreement has to begin and we don't know when that will happen. Once it does, the A2Z adapter that I have a 15% discount code for in the description on this video will work.
Any CCS EV can charge on Tesla's Magic Docks. But that's not what Tom is showing here. These are the NACS enabled Superchargers that are being opened in stages to other manufacturers' EVs.
Tom, do you have any insight as to how older EVs, such as my 2015 Chevy Spark EV, will be able to use Tesla's network when the companies are authorized? I assume GM will not send me a free adapter, so I would be one who would need to purchase one. Thanks.
Honestly, I don't think the Spark will even be compatible. I know they have a lot of difficulty charging (if they can at all) charging on Electrify America. Chevrolet isn't supporting the Spark's compatibility with networks because it's a discontinued vehicle, that was basically made for compliance. EA tried to get GM to help them with the compatibility issues and was told they wouldn't spend any time or effort because it's a discontinued low-volume vehicle.
So far, neither GM nor Ford has said anything about their older vehicles supporting it at all, much less offering an adapter. For example, the Ford Parts website listing for the adapter only says the Mach-E, Lightning, and eTransit are supported, not the older CCS-equipped Ford Focus EV. I wouldn’t hold out any hope that the Spark EV would be supported either. It appears that Plug and Charge compatibility is a requirement. So the Bolt EV with the software update to support P&C should work, but almost certainly not the Spark EV (or Focus EV on the Ford side.) Edit: Ah, Ford has updated the FAQ - it now specifically says the Focus EV *ISN’T* compatible. (It calls out both that older Focus EV don’t have CCS at all, and that later Focus EV don’t support the “Blue Oval Charge Network” (AKA Plug and Charge) therefore can’t use it. BUT! I would imagine that initiating the charge via the Tesla app would still work once Tesla opens it up to *ALL* CCS vehicles. Which won’t be until after all the “partnership agreement” manufacturers have sent out all their adapters.
@@AnonymousFreakYT No. Not ALL CCS EVs will work even after all manufacturers are allowed access. Those older slower charging EVs or hybrids won't be allowed. Superchargers are for fully electric only. Tesla knows well how to manage their network and keeping EVs that can cause issues or clog up their stations is one of the reasons why it's the best charging network on the planet.
@@Paul-cj1wb Do you have any source to back up that claim? My old 2014 Model S topped out at about 60kW charging by the time I sold it, and Tesla never banned me from using Superchargers. That’s about the same as a Chevy Bolt, which nobody has said won’t be supported. And there are no “not fully electric” vehicles in North America with a CCS port. The only PHEV with DC charging at all is the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV, which has a CHAdeMO port, thus can’t use Supercharger even with this.
@@AnonymousFreakYT The Tesla Model S uses proprietary Tesla software. I'm talking about older, slower charging CCS vehicles basically not "fully" supported by the manufacturer any longer. It's based on agreements available or discussed online, such as Ford's which includes an agreement for only the Mach-E, the Lightning, and the eTransit, as you yourself mentioned above. And of course, future Ford EVs. The Bolt will more than likely be supported. That's a more modern EV. There might be a time constraint for it when the Supercharger station is getting full similar to the current rates going up after 80% that Tesla currently uses, and the dollar per minute for idling. However, to keep it fair, since slower charging EVs such as the Bolt or the Toyota bZ4X each have the potential of taking up a stall (possibly 2 spots/stalls) for an hour to an hour and a half, they'll likely get a warning when the station is close to full that their rates will go up after 30 minutes of charging. Something like 50 cents or even up to a dollar higher per minute after that. Not per kilowatt as they take too long per kilowatt added. Likely based on the VIN to keep drivers from cheating. But we'll have to wait as see. That's just based on what Tesla does now. They will do what needs to be done to make sure their stations do not become overly congested and frustrate drivers. They don't even put up with their own EVs taking too long, so they're certainly not going to put up with other slower charging EVs slowing down their stations for too long. It's what makes them the most reliable, smoothest running network on the planet. They are not EA or EVgo. They will not allow it to become such fiascos.
To your knowledge, is Tesla holding back on opening V3+ stations for capacity reasons? Or will they all be opened up regardless? I haven't seen anything official. Thanks
Stations that have both V2 and V3 are not open to non-Teslas. This is to eliminate confusion for drivers, since V2 is not compatible. Can't expect all Ford and Rivian and GM and ... owners to know to look for the silver band, to not use those stalls.
Right now, the only two that are are the Ford ChargeStation Pro (F-150 Lightning only) and Tesla Wall Charger (Cybertruck only) support it. All the other brands who have announced hardware haven’t released it yet. (This statement only applies to North America - Japan has had V2x compatible CHAdeMO home units for years.)
CyberTruck has announced intentions to support it, but the software in the truck to actually do it isn't coming until this summer at the earliest. It's on the list with autopilot, FSD, Summon, AutoPark electronic lockers etc.
15,000 charger, NOT charging stations. That is a whole other animal. 15,000 sounds like a lot but that is only Version 3 sites and not all of those are available. It is actually a very small number of Supercharger SITES where Rivian, Ford, etc can now charge at. As in here in Oklahoma, with only 6 Supercharger sites to begin with, only 2 of those are V3’s, hardly a blip and of no meaning at all.
Although I applaud these efforts to accommodate costumers with free adapters, I much prefer buying one . Getting free stuff usually means submitting yourself to the whims of whomever Is doing you a favor. I hate that feeling. I did order the A2z one for my Lightning ⚡.
only standalone V4 and V3 super charges, any location that has both V2 & V3 at the same location will not work with other makes of cars/trucks only Tesla's.
Kia/Hyundai said early 2025 in the initial press release saying they were moving to NACS.....so should be within a year from now, but hopefully sooner.
Amazon would have to make a deal with Teslas. This is not a free for all network. It's strictly managed and supported 24/7/365, which is one of the big reasons that makes it so reliable. And like Tom said, those Rivian/Amazon delivery vehicles have more than enough range for their full day of local deliveries. They regen at every stop. Although I did see one parked next to a low charging CCS station once when the driver was having his lunch. Although I could not see clearly whether he was plugged in or not, so he might have just been parked there.
I wonder if there is a small upcharge for non-Tesla owners at the superchargers. As a Tesla owner I would like to think there is a benefit that I get for being loyal to Tesla.
Yes there is, however non Tesla owners can pay 13$ a month to bring the price down to the same (but then you have to enable your charging from within the Tesla app to get that price).
Yes. Tesla charges non-Tesla drivers higher prices, around 30% more. Although it can a little more or only as much as 20% higher if prices are already low at that site. Non-Tesla drivers can get the same price with a $12.99 per month plan or can save some money on the plan if they elect to go with a one time payment of $99 for a whole year. The price Tom showed was without the plan.
Also worth noting that the Tesla plan cannot be used with Plug&Charge, so you can have the best experience, or the best price, but not both. If you want to use the plan, you have manage all your charging through the Tesla app.
Just curious, why are asking? Bolts are not going to get any higher charging speeds than their 55kw max on Superchargers. You can basically get that on any 50kw charger. Or the full 55kw at any 62kw, or 100kw, or 150kw charger, etc. ChargePoint, EVgo, and EV have plenty of those around. And others will likely leave those available to slower charging EVs as soon as they get Supercharger access.
@@tommckinney1489 I see. It's just that the Bolt owners I know say they almost never charge away from home. It has more than enough range for them to not have to charge on public chargers. That's the reason they got a Bolt and not a faster charging EV. They don't need it since they don't take it on road trips. But online the most requests about the Supercharger access, by far, seem to come from Bolt owners, which is very strange to see. And very conflicting, since a model 3 went for under $30,000 last year, and as low as $25,000 dollars in some states, if the idea was to get an inexpensive EV that can charge on public chargers, as it charges so much faster. That's much lower than any Bolt price I've seen, and that's before all the dealers fees. So it's a bit perplexing to me.
@tommckinney1489 I see. It's just that the Bolt owners I know say they almost never charge away from home. It has more than enough range for them to not have to charge on public chargers. That's the reason they got a Bolt and not a faster charging EV. They don't need it since they don't take it on road trips. But online the most requests about the Supercharger access, by far, seem to come from Bolt owners, which is very strange to see. And very conflicting, since a model 3 went for under $30,000 last year, and as low as $25,000 dollars in some states, if the idea was to get an inexpensive EV that can charge on public chargers, as it charges so much faster. And it already had Supercharger access.
What are your thoughts surrounding the Tesla superchargers having to interact with multiple firmware in cars, known as the handshake issue? Given other third party chargers having sub-standard uptimes as seen in this video: ua-cam.com/video/3m_z27LJa6o/v-deo.html, how do you see Tesla getting around this issue which before opening up its Supercharger Network only interacted with its own vehicles?
@@markfitzpatrick6692 Magic docks were BEFORE auto makers switched to the NACS, now that auto makers are giving out FREE adapters (and new cars native NACS) to there customer it would be a wast of money for Tesla to continue to retrofit V3 &V4 supercharges.
Magic-Dock were just a pilot program to see if it was feasible for other EV to charge on Tesla Superchargers. Tesla is not the one " rollout of the NACS adapter" each automaker is doing that themselves. You can always go to Electrify America. Be thankful that we can use the Tesla network.
Letting other manufacture's use Tesla chargers will cause an issue at the busy places, I can see some arguments coming, especial if they take up two spots for charging. I have to wait only a few times, but its like a cat and mouse game to get the next open space if others are waiting too. This will cause some issue to Tesla owners for sure. This should be interesting. .
Yes, that's why Tesla is not opening the whole supercharging network to all non-tesla cars right away. It's possible some congestion might happen at some locations, but Tesla is rolling this out in a way to mitigate problems. The busiest locations will probably be last to be allowed to be used.
You are right that this will be an issue with certain Tesla owners. I myself as a MY driver I did not like this development and was a bit concerned about non-Teslas taking up 2 spaces and the potential conflicts that could ensue. Now that I’m soon to be an R1S owner, Im preparing myself for the possible dirty looks and comments from Tesla owners. 😂
I'm guessing it would be too complicated to get a refund from Ford or Rivian if you were able to buy one directly from Tesla instead of requesting that they send one. I don't know how easy they are to get right now ordering online.
Tesla isn’t selling them directly, so that wouldn’t work. I imagine once all the “partnership signed” carmakers have fulfilled all their orders, Tesla will start selling them directly to owners of non-partnership cars. And both Tesla and the other carmakers (Ford and Rivian) specifically say *NOT* to use the third party adapters like the A2Z and Lectron. But as this video demonstrates, they do work fine. But no chance of Ford or Rivian refunding you for buying a third-party adapter they specifically say not to use.
GOT A❓: If I plug in at 18:55 at 51 cents/ kWh and 5 minutes later the rate drops to 40 cents/kWh, will Tesla bill a Tesla at the reduced rate after the rates dropped or do you pay the rate you started at the full time❓ Would that be any different for your Rivian or Ford❓ There isn’t screens to advertise the current rate structure so where is that posted before you charge❓ Thanks Tom for the comprehensive overview. I thought of Tesla extension cords years ago but never pursued it because there would not be any cooling and pose unnecessary risk to charge an ICE’d Supercharger. Every junction adds the equivalent of 10’ of cable resistance and voltage losses seen as heat. The only way to reduce that is to either have a superconductor cable like gold which ain’t happening or oversize the gauge wiring to reduce the resistance. That’s not to under emphasize the need of absolutely the highest quality connectors and fitment tolerances. I suspect Tesla used a solid metal DC connection with the pins as part of that hardware which is why it’s so compact. If the others use pins and wires in the build they will have additional losses. 23:08
Thanks to Elon and Tesla for making EVs usable and speeding up adaptation, and Tesla owners for helping to pay for the SuperCharger Network. Now let the federal bucks start rolling in.
This rollout of the adapters has been a cluster. They(Tesla, Ford, Rivian??) should have waited until they had a huge stock of adapters before announcing access to Tesla. Making people wait months on end is going to anger people and it makes it look like these companies just can't plan. Honestly, how long does it take to make 50lk adapters? Are they making them by hand? One an hour?
@@universeisundernoobligatio3283 The problem I state is about how many adapters are being sent out. This is still a current problem regardless of where the charger port is located. Its like you did not even read what I wrote and saw "Tesla" and just reacted to that.
@@gregpochet4812 Still not Teslas problem, Ford, Rivian have to get their act together. Honestly, how long does it take to make 50lk adapters? As long as it takes. If manufactures put NACS charge ports in the ideal location to use super chargers properly they would this problem goes away.
Now that Tesla is opening up their network to other vehicles, it seems only fair (in the interest of maximizing access to charging for all EV owners) for Rivian to open their network to other vehicles. A bonus: no adaptor needed!
AS a Rivian owner, I’d rather they put it off for a year or more. As an EV owner, I it will be beneficial when other vehicles can charge at the RAN. I did hear that this should be happening relatively s-O--O-n. 😅
The R1 charge port location is a bit less difficult then the Ford location, but they still take up 2 spaces on sites with micro-cables. Tesla knows which sites are congested and will likely be prioritizing those sites for V4 dispenser upgrades
EV buyers should hold off till manafactures have a NACS connector in the ideal location to use super chargers properly. That will get the manufactures to make the switch quicker.
Just to be clear; Rivian, Ford, or GM don't have their ports in the wrong location. Tesla didn't think ahead when they released their superchargers so they made the cables too short for the real world. Hopefully they correct this huge oversight ASAP.
How do we get Rivian to revise the R1T/R1S to #1 Get rid of the center console between fronts seats? Just lose it...ENTIRELY. #2 Make BOTH front seats collapsable so every seat in vehicle can disappear flat? Less parts. They could save money and improve margins and survive till R2 hits the scene.
Ford company bosses did commit a very unwise mistake divesting from Rivian in the past. Ford would be much better positioned on the market if current CEO would have been in charge at the time.
EV buyers hold off till they have a NACS connector in the ideal location to use super chargers properly. That will get the manufactures to make the switch quicker.
Nope, what needs to change are the chargers and how they are being installed because the current installation technique as is it's both space inefficient and inefficient on how many cars can charge at a time. If Tesla can give two vehicles access to the charger at the same time similar to some CCS chargers in the states then we're off to the races. Btw the current plug location on the Rivian line up is fine and so is the location on the R2 and R3 respectively. It's no different than how the fuel door on some ICE cars switch sides depending on the manufacturer and it has never been an issue. It can be easily fixed if Tesla added another plug or made double sided superchargers that gave you the ability to pull up to them instead of having to reverse and/or unhitch to even get access to them. The way the chargers are being built is the problem not the location of the plug on other vehicles. It's very obvious Tesla never had plans to open up their network to non-teslas if they did they would have already known they would need to make adjustments to work with the location of the plug on other vehicles but they didn't. Tesla should have been building their chargers to accommodate all vehicles even before they opened up the network. The blame is not on the other manufacturers for putting their plug "on the wrong side". It's on Tesla for not making the changes to their chargers from the beginning.
@@jake_sabrwolf9795 Nope: What needs to change are the non Tesla guests that visit super chargers to have charger ports in the ideal locations. Teslas technique is very space efficent with no need for double headers, with all there complexity as CCS chargers, if the CCS method was so good why is there up time so bad with every one switching to NACS? Btw the current plug location on the Rivian line up is not suitable and so is the location on the R2 and R3 respectively. So poorly designed for efficient super charger usage. It's very obvious Tesla had plans to open up their network to non-teslas, they do not need to make any adjustments as it's the quests that are the ones that need to accommodate. The blame is on the other manufacturers for putting their plug "on the wrong side". It's not on Tesla since there design its great making the best chargers. The NACS standard was designed by engineers to encourage EV adoption. The CCS charging standard was created by the ICE manufactures marketing departments to discourage EV adoption. With the hope EV’s would never catch on. In 10 years the only place you will find a CCS charger is in a museum and an electronic surplus store.
@@jake_sabrwolf9795 Nope: What needs to change are the non Tesla guests that visit super chargers to have charger ports in the ideal locations. Teslas technique is very space efficent with no need for double headers, with all there complexity as CCS chargers, if the CCS method was so good why is there up time so bad with every one switching to NACS? Btw the current plug location on the Rivian line up is not suitable and so is the location on the R2 and R3 respectively. So poorly designed for efficient super charger usage. It's very obvious Tesla had plans to open up their network to non-teslas, they do not need to make any adjustments as it's the quests that are the ones that need to accommodate. The blame is on the other manufacturers for putting their plug "on the wrong side". It's not on Tesla since there design its great making the best chargers. The NACS standard was designed by engineers to encourage EV adoption. The CCS charging standard was created by the ICE manufactures marketing departments to discourage EV adoption. With the hope EV’s would never catch on. In 10 years the only place you will find a CCS charger is in a museum and an electronic surplus store.
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tesla will always have advantage over others as they released about half of superchargers available to others, while tesla can use all 25k and counting.
The chargers that only Tesla can use are the slower chargers (Urban Supercharger are 72kW, Supercharger version 1 are 100kW and Supercharger version 2 are 125/150kW). It is not worth the cost to updating the hardware for other cars to use. The remaining V3 & V4 chargers will be converted over time.
I agree with you, with the exception of several interstate travel corridors in rural areas that are almost exclusively V2. Those need to be upgraded so that the Tesla NACS network has complete coverage to support travel, right now there are huge holes in E-W coverage in the western US.
I think it is irresponsible to promote 3rd party adapters. What happens if the adapter malfunctions and damages or burns up the EV. Will 3rd party adapter vendors repair or replace the EV? I had this happen with a 3rd party cell phone charger that damaged my phone. The 3rd party charger vendor denied any responsibility even though their charger had damaged my phone. Why take the risk? I will only use adapters certified by the EV vendor and Tesla.
They ADDED ANOTHER HEADACHE! IF they want to USE TESLA SUPERCHARGER, their Charging Port must be in "REAR DRIVER SIDE" or "FRONT PASSENGER SIDE". I've encountered an almost a fist fight here in TEXAS, when a Ford MACH E & Rivian R1S occupied 4 SLOTS. (I own Tesla S & X, then waiting for my Cybertruck) The best part is, the owners of those 2 vehicles was SMIRKING & RUDE. IF TESLA wants EVERY EV use their CHARGING STATIONS, they SHOULD make a MANDATORY RULE that they can only use it IF they will change their charging port to "Rear Driver Side" OR "Front Passenger Side", period.
If Tesla wants every EV to use their charging stations, maybe Tesla, as the charging station owner, should change their stations to support other vehicles’ designs. Which they are doing with the V4 Superchargers, which will have long enough cables to reach either side.
@@rk-jc9se You CANNOT just EASILY add an extension for a FAST CHARGING STATION, as it should have a COOLING SYSTEM. IF you noticed, TESLA SUPERCHARGERS has SHORT CABLE, so it doesn't need more cooling apparatus, plus with LESS WEAR. They were already interviewed before, and after so MANY PROTOTYPES, they ended up with that Charging Port, with the design per Tesla Supercharging Station.
@@AnonymousFreakYT That's the MOST STUPID thing to say. THEY BEG to ELON to use the TESLA SUPERCHARGERS. Even Jim Farley of FORD admitted that he called Elon and the answer was NO at 1st, BUT after some weeks of back and forth conversation, Elon caved in, so Tesla can help the EV industry. They have THOUSANDS of charging stations, and you want TESLA to change them, just to PLEASE the other EV brands? Again, that's the dumbest thing I hear from beggars, period.
Supercharged my R1T for the first time yesterday!! Match made in heaven!
Which adapter did you use?
Whoop whoop whoop 👍👍👍
How does the built in route planning incorporate the superchargers?
@@Mildern it’s actually pretty good! You see Al the info that you need
Polestar hasn't officially released news yet but I found in their latest investors presentation that Polestar will have access to Supercharger network in North America via an adapter on June 24th. I'm guessing we'll see Volvo doing the same at around the same time. Just adding this for extra information pertaining to other brands and their access to NACS.
I think they may be next, unless GM sneaks in before them
Yes Tom Gm better be next . I don’t have one but they were 2nd to make the deal. I was surprised they let rivian go next.
When Toyota joins Tesla superchargin network they shouldn’t expect any adapters before 2026 ……. It’s over in 2028
Thanks for your due diligence as always, looking forward to your Lectron review!
Tom another informative video. I've order the A2Z through your link and received a great discount, thank you!
Thanks Tom, passed this info to my Son who is interested in a Rivian R1T, this really helps especially in Canada where reliable 200KW or over CCS charging is far an few between!
Sounds like Tom is selling lots of cars and adapters. I bought a Ford Lightning after his Supercharger video, and I bought an A2Z adapter after his review of it yesterday! I'll be getting a free one from Ford, but I don't want to wait for it. So I'll use the A2Z until then, and later it will become my backup. 🙂
He should. hold off till it has a NACS connector in the ideal location to use super chargers properly.
The big difference between high and low quality adapters will be number of insertions before contacts deteriorate. Weaker contacts produce resistance causing heat and less power transfer to your EV. After numerous insertions on the cheap ones, arcing occurs causing carbon for more resistance / heat and eventually a fire. Amazon probably will offer some from China near $99 that won’t have the new UL listing when completed.
Another great video Tom. Great of you to read those disclaimers for the viewers out there so they know full well in case they decide to go with one of those two adapters from two reputable companies. I also agree that most drivers out there are not going to wait several months for their official adapters.
I can add that there are other UA-camr EV drivers out there using them. Especially the A2Z one. So there are plenty of videos for the viewer to review as part of their proper research before making their decision. It's better to show these than them just buying any cheap brand from the web that could possibly backfire on them.
Already saw Rivian see charge on Tesla supercharger yesterday
Too funny, we also just charged our Rivian at this exact supercharger this week and made a video. Someone told me they recently saw @mkbhd there with two CyberTrucks as well. Small world!
Thanks for the great video!
When Tesla launched the CCS1 to NACS adapter, I immediately bought one for road tripping thinking some areas wouldn’t have enough Superchargers for our model S. To my surprise, I’ve never needed a non-Tesla DC fast charger and haven’t used the adapter. I’m certain the NACS to CCS1 adapter will get used for road tripping our EQS. Sadly, MB appears to be at the end of the line.
Tom will you be testing the extension cable in the future!
Absolutely
Hi, thanks for all your time and for sharing your knowledge. What about Mercedes-Benz? I remember hearing and watching some UA-cam videos in the past saying that Tesla was opening up to Mercedes-Benz as well. I also think it was Kyle Connor that mentioned this over on out of spec reviews.
I heard the bar at that charger is pretty good tom... My daughter lives down the street I'll have to check both out next time I'm up there
Welcome to the Supercharger network, Rivian drivers!
also probably because Rivian charge port is in the front left corner it may be more reachable without having to take more than one space it seems that cable reaches?
It is definitely more forgiving than the lightning, but still requires two spots.
Opens up so many road trip opportunities in the west.
I read somewhere that a Rivian owner fried their charging port with the Lectron adapter. Not sure if this is true, but I am a bit concerned what would happen if one of these adapters damaged my (Comingnsoon) R1S - as far as Rivians position about the warranty coverage.
It's happening, one automaker at a time! Good to see! I'd be very curious to know if your "Ford" adapter is almost identical to the adapter in the "Magic Dock" stations. That'd be my guess, but the "locks" would likely be different. I get the impression that the A27 and Lectron adapters are more robust and solid than the "official" one that Ford sent you.
Have you considered discussing how the various chargers integrate with battery storage? I am particularly interested in the FranklinWH system. I believe they have a product coming out called eHub that provides a specific interface for chargers (though I don't know how it works), but does support VtoL (VtoH, VtoG) so the interface can also use the car battery as part of the storage system as well as charge them.
ALL charge ports should be mandated to front right side, so every one can just pull straight in, no backing up, and can also charge from the curbside.
Need to know when vw will follow. Excited for that announcement
Thank you!
I signed up for my adapter from Ford in the early hours of March 1st. Will not be receiving my adapter until September.
Some people will have 7-8 month waits
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughneyI imagine the wait times will compound as more manufacturers are activated. They should do whatever testing is necessary and formally approve third-party adapters.
In the interim, I'll use my A2Z adapter once my manufacturers are activated.
@@kevin13chow do you like the A2Z adapter? Debating between A2Z and Lectron.
@@Wasabi9111 I have two EVs that are slated to be activated 4th quarter this year and 1st quarter next year.
Being the impatient type, lol, I bought it in anticipation of long delays and also for the possibility that it will work prior to the official announcement. Soooo I can't answer your question yet 😀
Should receive my NACS-2-CCS adaptor from Ford in May. Is Tom posting his FL-to-NJ F150 road trip using the Tesla supercharger network?
I will, but it's going to take a couple of weeks. I have a LOT of other content to edit and post.
Allamuchy Supercharger is showing up on Ford apps now.
It would be cool if the Remax sign said “Bada Bing” - this location always makes me think of the Bing lol
It's far from the Bada Bing's actual location, though
Yea, I know lol@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney
Ford may have done it First but Rivian did it RIGHT!
Kudos to Rivian for a seamless integration!
Tom are there any short extension cables to solve the problem of charge ports being on different locations on non-Tesla cars? I wonder if you can suggest that to these adapter makers.
Not yet, but they are coming.
Thanks for the video! Could you describe how you set up plug and charge? Was charging your Ford also a plug and charge process?
You just activate it in the Fordpass app. It's very simple
Thanks. And the Rivian app allows plug and charge, too?
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney
At least the charge port door doesn't actively block the cable like on the Lightning and Mach E. Ford should work on a fix to swap the opening direction.
Do any/all of these adapters have "idiot proof" protection built in? Specifically thinking of destination/home (ac) chargers.
None of them will work on AC chargers.
The adapters don’t connect the AC pins on the CCS side. All chargers (Superchargers, Destination, CCS, J1772) have a “handshake” process before connecting the high-power pins. Tesla Superchargers/Destination chargers require the car “respond properly” before turning on the 240V AC or 400V DC power. If you plug one of these into a Destination charger, it won’t receive the right response, so won’t ever put 240V AC power on the pins.
Likewise if you use a TeslaTap or similar AC adapter for Destination charging to J1772, and plug it into a Supercharger, the Supercharger wont’ get the right response, and won’t turn on 400V DC.
I'm taking delivery of a R1s next month, will be interesting. Telsa owner are going to be pissed.
Tom, any idea how many adapters Tesla/Ford/Rivian have sent out already? How many they are sending out per week?
Ford has probably sent out less than a couple hundred. Rivian hasn't started yet. I doubt the two companies will finish sending all of their customers the free adapters by the end of this year
Where can we find dynamic pricing for non-Teslas at supercharger stations?
In the Tesla app.
So when is Rivian opening up the adventure network?
They will eventually im sure
Rivian head RJ Scaringe said “late this year” during the R2/R3 reveal.
@@AnonymousFreakYT thanks for the info. That’s money on the table for them
can you recomment something for VW ID4 to be used on Tesla Charger?
Nothing will work at this point. The VW/Tesla agreement has to begin and we don't know when that will happen. Once it does, the A2Z adapter that I have a 15% discount code for in the description on this video will work.
Hey now GM was second to get on board with NACS. Rivian was third. So what is up with that?
It's going to require a software update. GM doesn't do software well. I wouldn't be surprised if Tesla is waiting on GM at this point.
Can Superchargers with Magic dock, charge any electric car? Or do they have to be an approved brand like Ford and Rivian now are?
Any CCS EV can charge on Tesla's Magic Docks. But that's not what Tom is showing here. These are the NACS enabled Superchargers that are being opened in stages to other manufacturers' EVs.
Tom, do you have any insight as to how older EVs, such as my 2015 Chevy Spark EV, will be able to use Tesla's network when the companies are authorized? I assume GM will not send me a free adapter, so I would be one who would need to purchase one. Thanks.
Honestly, I don't think the Spark will even be compatible. I know they have a lot of difficulty charging (if they can at all) charging on Electrify America. Chevrolet isn't supporting the Spark's compatibility with networks because it's a discontinued vehicle, that was basically made for compliance. EA tried to get GM to help them with the compatibility issues and was told they wouldn't spend any time or effort because it's a discontinued low-volume vehicle.
So far, neither GM nor Ford has said anything about their older vehicles supporting it at all, much less offering an adapter. For example, the Ford Parts website listing for the adapter only says the Mach-E, Lightning, and eTransit are supported, not the older CCS-equipped Ford Focus EV. I wouldn’t hold out any hope that the Spark EV would be supported either.
It appears that Plug and Charge compatibility is a requirement. So the Bolt EV with the software update to support P&C should work, but almost certainly not the Spark EV (or Focus EV on the Ford side.)
Edit: Ah, Ford has updated the FAQ - it now specifically says the Focus EV *ISN’T* compatible. (It calls out both that older Focus EV don’t have CCS at all, and that later Focus EV don’t support the “Blue Oval Charge Network” (AKA Plug and Charge) therefore can’t use it.
BUT! I would imagine that initiating the charge via the Tesla app would still work once Tesla opens it up to *ALL* CCS vehicles. Which won’t be until after all the “partnership agreement” manufacturers have sent out all their adapters.
@@AnonymousFreakYT No. Not ALL CCS EVs will work even after all manufacturers are allowed access. Those older slower charging EVs or hybrids won't be allowed. Superchargers are for fully electric only. Tesla knows well how to manage their network and keeping EVs that can cause issues or clog up their stations is one of the reasons why it's the best charging network on the planet.
@@Paul-cj1wb Do you have any source to back up that claim? My old 2014 Model S topped out at about 60kW charging by the time I sold it, and Tesla never banned me from using Superchargers. That’s about the same as a Chevy Bolt, which nobody has said won’t be supported.
And there are no “not fully electric” vehicles in North America with a CCS port. The only PHEV with DC charging at all is the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV, which has a CHAdeMO port, thus can’t use Supercharger even with this.
@@AnonymousFreakYT The Tesla Model S uses proprietary Tesla software. I'm talking about older, slower charging CCS vehicles basically not "fully" supported by the manufacturer any longer. It's based on agreements available or discussed online, such as Ford's which includes an agreement for only the Mach-E, the Lightning, and the eTransit, as you yourself mentioned above. And of course, future Ford EVs.
The Bolt will more than likely be supported. That's a more modern EV. There might be a time constraint for it when the Supercharger station is getting full similar to the current rates going up after 80% that Tesla currently uses, and the dollar per minute for idling.
However, to keep it fair, since slower charging EVs such as the Bolt or the Toyota bZ4X each have the potential of taking up a stall (possibly 2 spots/stalls) for an hour to an hour and a half, they'll likely get a warning when the station is close to full that their rates will go up after 30 minutes of charging. Something like 50 cents or even up to a dollar higher per minute after that. Not per kilowatt as they take too long per kilowatt added. Likely based on the VIN to keep drivers from cheating.
But we'll have to wait as see. That's just based on what Tesla does now. They will do what needs to be done to make sure their stations do not become overly congested and frustrate drivers. They don't even put up with their own EVs taking too long, so they're certainly not going to put up with other slower charging EVs slowing down their stations for too long.
It's what makes them the most reliable, smoothest running network on the planet. They are not EA or EVgo. They will not allow it to become such fiascos.
To your knowledge, is Tesla holding back on opening V3+ stations for capacity reasons? Or will they all be opened up regardless? I haven't seen anything official. Thanks
Stations that have both V2 and V3 are not open to non-Teslas. This is to eliminate confusion for drivers, since V2 is not compatible. Can't expect all Ford and Rivian and GM and ... owners to know to look for the silver band, to not use those stalls.
Tom, are any of the home chargers V2L/V2G/V2H ready?
Right now, the only two that are are the Ford ChargeStation Pro (F-150 Lightning only) and Tesla Wall Charger (Cybertruck only) support it. All the other brands who have announced hardware haven’t released it yet.
(This statement only applies to North America - Japan has had V2x compatible CHAdeMO home units for years.)
CyberTruck has announced intentions to support it, but the software in the truck to actually do it isn't coming until this summer at the earliest. It's on the list with autopilot, FSD, Summon, AutoPark electronic lockers etc.
15,000 charger, NOT charging stations. That is a whole other animal. 15,000 sounds like a lot but that is only Version 3 sites and not all of those are available. It is actually a very small number of Supercharger SITES where Rivian, Ford, etc can now charge at. As in here in Oklahoma, with only 6 Supercharger sites to begin with, only 2 of those are V3’s, hardly a blip and of no meaning at all.
Although I applaud these efforts to accommodate costumers with free adapters, I much prefer buying one . Getting free stuff usually means submitting yourself to the whims of whomever Is doing you a favor. I hate that feeling. I did order the A2z one for my Lightning ⚡.
what about the urban superchargers ?
Those are also excluded. Only the “full power/full size” V3 (and even then only about half of those) work with the adapter.
only standalone V4 and V3 super charges, any location that has both V2 & V3 at the same location will not work with other makes of cars/trucks only Tesla's.
Tom, this is great news that Tesla is making progress on the rollout. I am guessing my Hyundai Ioniq 6 will have to wait till 2025. Joe
The charging port location in Rivian is much better positioned for Tesla Superchargers use vs Ford F150 Lightning.
@stateofcharge when will Hyundai is my biggest question.
We don't know at this point.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Sad face, Keep the the amazing work Tom.
Kia/Hyundai said early 2025 in the initial press release saying they were moving to NACS.....so should be within a year from now, but hopefully sooner.
Hopefully, after seeing other manufacturers doing it, they decide to go with this year
What about the Amazon delivery vans? Would love to see one of those at a supercharger lol.
I doubt they ever stop to charge during the day. They have enough range to complete the daily deliveries and charge at the depot overnight.
Probably not. Elon would probably charge extra to increase his net worth while lowering Jeff Bezos's at the same time
Almost certainly not the Amazon vans; but they have started selling for fleet use to “not Amazon,” so in theory they should be able to use it.
Amazon would have to make a deal with Teslas. This is not a free for all network. It's strictly managed and supported 24/7/365, which is one of the big reasons that makes it so reliable. And like Tom said, those Rivian/Amazon delivery vehicles have more than enough range for their full day of local deliveries. They regen at every stop.
Although I did see one parked next to a low charging CCS station once when the driver was having his lunch. Although I could not see clearly whether he was plugged in or not, so he might have just been parked there.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney for sure. I was more thinking of converted tiny home when we can get our hands on them. 🙏🏻
Tom do you have updates for GM vehicles?
Unfortunately, no
I wonder if there is a small upcharge for non-Tesla owners at the superchargers. As a Tesla owner I would like to think there is a benefit that I get for being loyal to Tesla.
Yes there is, however non Tesla owners can pay 13$ a month to bring the price down to the same (but then you have to enable your charging from within the Tesla app to get that price).
Yes. Tesla charges non-Tesla drivers higher prices, around 30% more. Although it can a little more or only as much as 20% higher if prices are already low at that site. Non-Tesla drivers can get the same price with a $12.99 per month plan or can save some money on the plan if they elect to go with a one time payment of $99 for a whole year. The price Tom showed was without the plan.
Also worth noting that the Tesla plan cannot be used with Plug&Charge, so you can have the best experience, or the best price, but not both. If you want to use the plan, you have manage all your charging through the Tesla app.
Do you think that the Chevy Bolt we'll be able to use the adapters. Since we don't seem to get updates
Just curious, why are asking? Bolts are not going to get any higher charging speeds than their 55kw max on Superchargers. You can basically get that on any 50kw charger. Or the full 55kw at any 62kw, or 100kw, or 150kw charger, etc. ChargePoint, EVgo, and EV have plenty of those around. And others will likely leave those available to slower charging EVs as soon as they get Supercharger access.
@@Paul-cj1wb Just for that, Im telling all the slow charging ev owners to only charge at Tesla SuperChargers
@@Paul-cj1wb The CCS network is a mess. The reason to use Tesla Superchargers is reliability and availability, not speed.
@@tommckinney1489 I see. It's just that the Bolt owners I know say they almost never charge away from home. It has more than enough range for them to not have to charge on public chargers. That's the reason they got a Bolt and not a faster charging EV. They don't need it since they don't take it on road trips.
But online the most requests about the Supercharger access, by far, seem to come from Bolt owners, which is very strange to see.
And very conflicting, since a model 3 went for under $30,000 last year, and as low as $25,000 dollars in some states, if the idea was to get an inexpensive EV that can charge on public chargers, as it charges so much faster. That's much lower than any Bolt price I've seen, and that's before all the dealers fees. So it's a bit perplexing to me.
@tommckinney1489 I see. It's just that the Bolt owners I know say they almost never charge away from home. It has more than enough range for them to not have to charge on public chargers. That's the reason they got a Bolt and not a faster charging EV. They don't need it since they don't take it on road trips.
But online the most requests about the Supercharger access, by far, seem to come from Bolt owners, which is very strange to see.
And very conflicting, since a model 3 went for under $30,000 last year, and as low as $25,000 dollars in some states, if the idea was to get an inexpensive EV that can charge on public chargers, as it charges so much faster. And it already had Supercharger access.
When do Hyundais get access?
Never 😂
What are your thoughts surrounding the Tesla superchargers having to interact with multiple firmware in cars, known as the handshake issue? Given other third party chargers having sub-standard uptimes as seen in this video: ua-cam.com/video/3m_z27LJa6o/v-deo.html, how do you see Tesla getting around this issue which before opening up its Supercharger Network only interacted with its own vehicles?
They have been doing so for a while now with the Magic Dock locations. There have been some issues with the 800-v EVs, but not many
Thank You Tom for All that you are doing for our Planet Earth.... Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste 🙏🏻 😊 🌈 ✌ ☮ ❤
I hope that Tesla does not slow-walk the rollout of the NACS adapter like they did with the Magic-Dock
Yes they said 3500 magic docks in 2024 but only have around 40 and lots of states have zero.
Thud. Agreed.🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗
@@markfitzpatrick6692 Magic docks were BEFORE auto makers switched to the NACS, now that auto makers are giving out FREE adapters (and new cars native NACS) to there customer it would be a wast of money for Tesla to continue to retrofit V3 &V4 supercharges.
Magic-Dock were just a pilot program to see if it was feasible for other EV to charge on Tesla Superchargers. Tesla is not the one " rollout of the NACS adapter" each automaker is doing that themselves. You can always go to Electrify America. Be thankful that we can use the Tesla network.
Letting other manufacture's use Tesla chargers will cause an issue at the busy places, I can see some arguments coming, especial if they take up two spots for charging. I have to wait only a few times, but its like a cat and mouse game to get the next open space if others are waiting too. This will cause some issue to Tesla owners for sure.
This should be interesting.
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Yes, that's why Tesla is not opening the whole supercharging network to all non-tesla cars right away. It's possible some congestion might happen at some locations, but Tesla is rolling this out in a way to mitigate problems. The busiest locations will probably be last to be allowed to be used.
You are right that this will be an issue with certain Tesla owners. I myself as a MY driver I did not like this development and was a bit concerned about non-Teslas taking up 2 spaces and the potential conflicts that could ensue. Now that I’m soon to be an R1S owner, Im preparing myself for the possible dirty looks and comments from Tesla owners. 😂
I'm guessing it would be too complicated to get a refund from Ford or Rivian if you were able to buy one directly from Tesla instead of requesting that they send one. I don't know how easy they are to get right now ordering online.
Tesla isn’t selling them directly, so that wouldn’t work. I imagine once all the “partnership signed” carmakers have fulfilled all their orders, Tesla will start selling them directly to owners of non-partnership cars.
And both Tesla and the other carmakers (Ford and Rivian) specifically say *NOT* to use the third party adapters like the A2Z and Lectron. But as this video demonstrates, they do work fine. But no chance of Ford or Rivian refunding you for buying a third-party adapter they specifically say not to use.
You can't buy them from Tesla. And when you can I cannot imagine any company giving you money for it. They will simply say you should have waited
Mexico??? Specifically, Santa Ana, Sonora, Mexico?
GOT A❓: If I plug in at 18:55 at 51 cents/ kWh and 5 minutes later the rate drops to 40 cents/kWh, will Tesla bill a Tesla at the reduced rate after the rates dropped or do you pay the rate you started at the full time❓ Would that be any different for your Rivian or Ford❓ There isn’t screens to advertise the current rate structure so where is that posted before you charge❓ Thanks Tom for the comprehensive overview. I thought of Tesla extension cords years ago but never pursued it because there would not be any cooling and pose unnecessary risk to charge an ICE’d Supercharger. Every junction adds the equivalent of 10’ of cable resistance and voltage losses seen as heat. The only way to reduce that is to either have a superconductor cable like gold which ain’t happening or oversize the gauge wiring to reduce the resistance. That’s not to under emphasize the need of absolutely the highest quality connectors and fitment tolerances. I suspect Tesla used a solid metal DC connection with the pins as part of that hardware which is why it’s so compact. If the others use pins and wires in the build they will have additional losses. 23:08
Thanks to Elon and Tesla for making EVs usable and speeding up adaptation, and Tesla owners for helping to pay for the SuperCharger Network. Now let the federal bucks start rolling in.
No one else in the industry would do what Tesla has done for the electric car industry 😊😊😊😊
This rollout of the adapters has been a cluster. They(Tesla, Ford, Rivian??) should have waited until they had a huge stock of adapters before announcing access to Tesla. Making people wait months on end is going to anger people and it makes it look like these companies just can't plan. Honestly, how long does it take to make 50lk adapters? Are they making them by hand? One an hour?
Not a Tesla problem if manufactures put NACS charge ports in the ideal location to use super chargers properly they would not have this problem.
@@universeisundernoobligatio3283 The problem I state is about how many adapters are being sent out. This is still a current problem regardless of where the charger port is located. Its like you did not even read what I wrote and saw "Tesla" and just reacted to that.
@@gregpochet4812
Still not Teslas problem, Ford, Rivian have to get their act together. Honestly, how long does it take to make 50lk adapters? As long as it takes.
If manufactures put NACS charge ports in the ideal location to use super chargers properly they would this problem goes away.
Now that Tesla is opening up their network to other vehicles, it seems only fair (in the interest of maximizing access to charging for all EV owners) for Rivian to open their network to other vehicles. A bonus: no adaptor needed!
AS a Rivian owner, I’d rather they put it off for a year or more. As an EV owner, I it will be beneficial when other vehicles can charge at the RAN. I did hear that this should be happening relatively s-O--O-n. 😅
Random thought, can tesla cars use ea chargers
Yes, with an adapter
I'm glad they designed the charge port to meet Tesla's limited cable length. Are you paying the same kilowatt rate as Tesla vehicles?
The R1 charge port location is a bit less difficult then the Ford location, but they still take up 2 spaces on sites with micro-cables. Tesla knows which sites are congested and will likely be prioritizing those sites for V4 dispenser upgrades
Sounds like a problem that a 3-D printer, and some tinfoil could solve. Etsy here we come, what color would you like your adapter in?
Not so fast, using tin foil to conduct 400 V at 200 A is a recipe for creating fire.
I thought Tom sold his R!T?
I did - when my R1S came in!
EV buyers should hold off till manafactures have a NACS connector in the ideal location to use super chargers properly. That will get the manufactures to make the switch quicker.
Just to be clear; Rivian, Ford, or GM don't have their ports in the wrong location. Tesla didn't think ahead when they released their superchargers so they made the cables too short for the real world. Hopefully they correct this huge oversight ASAP.
That's ur problem... not theirs
How do we get Rivian to revise the R1T/R1S to #1 Get rid of the center console between fronts seats? Just lose it...ENTIRELY. #2 Make BOTH front seats collapsable so every seat in vehicle can disappear flat? Less parts. They could save money and improve margins and survive till R2 hits the scene.
R1 is the premium vehicle, they won’t do any major cost cutting on it.
Ford company bosses did commit a very unwise mistake divesting from Rivian in the past. Ford would be much better positioned on the market if current CEO would have been in charge at the time.
Your rate was cheap compared to California.
EV buyers hold off till they have a NACS connector in the ideal location to use super chargers properly. That will get the manufactures to make the switch quicker.
Nope, what needs to change are the chargers and how they are being installed because the current installation technique as is it's both space inefficient and inefficient on how many cars can charge at a time.
If Tesla can give two vehicles access to the charger at the same time similar to some CCS chargers in the states then we're off to the races.
Btw the current plug location on the Rivian line up is fine and so is the location on the R2 and R3 respectively. It's no different than how the fuel door on some ICE cars switch sides depending on the manufacturer and it has never been an issue. It can be easily fixed if Tesla added another plug or made double sided superchargers that gave you the ability to pull up to them instead of having to reverse and/or unhitch to even get access to them. The way the chargers are being built is the problem not the location of the plug on other vehicles.
It's very obvious Tesla never had plans to open up their network to non-teslas if they did they would have already known they would need to make adjustments to work with the location of the plug on other vehicles but they didn't. Tesla should have been building their chargers to accommodate all vehicles even before they opened up the network. The blame is not on the other manufacturers for putting their plug "on the wrong side". It's on Tesla for not making the changes to their chargers from the beginning.
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Nope: What needs to change are the non Tesla guests that visit super chargers to have charger ports in the ideal locations. Teslas technique is very space efficent with no need for double headers, with all there complexity as CCS chargers, if the CCS method was so good why is there up time so bad with every one switching to NACS?
Btw the current plug location on the Rivian line up is not suitable and so is the location on the R2 and R3 respectively. So poorly designed for efficient super charger usage.
It's very obvious Tesla had plans to open up their network to non-teslas, they do not need to make any adjustments as it's the quests that are the ones that need to accommodate. The blame is on the other manufacturers for putting their plug "on the wrong side". It's not on Tesla since there design its great making the best chargers.
The NACS standard was designed by engineers to encourage EV adoption.
The CCS charging standard was created by the ICE manufactures marketing departments to discourage EV adoption. With the hope EV’s would never catch on.
In 10 years the only place you will find a CCS charger is in a museum and an electronic surplus store.
@@jake_sabrwolf9795
Nope: What needs to change are the non Tesla guests that visit super chargers to have charger ports in the ideal locations. Teslas technique is very space efficent with no need for double headers, with all there complexity as CCS chargers, if the CCS method was so good why is there up time so bad with every one switching to NACS?
Btw the current plug location on the Rivian line up is not suitable and so is the location on the R2 and R3 respectively. So poorly designed for efficient super charger usage.
It's very obvious Tesla had plans to open up their network to non-teslas, they do not need to make any adjustments as it's the quests that are the ones that need to accommodate. The blame is on the other manufacturers for putting their plug "on the wrong side". It's not on Tesla since there design its great making the best chargers.
The NACS standard was designed by engineers to encourage EV adoption.
The CCS charging standard was created by the ICE manufactures marketing departments to discourage EV adoption. With the hope EV’s would never catch on.
In 10 years the only place you will find a CCS charger is in a museum and an electronic surplus store.
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Elon's doing that himself? Wow, how's that guy have any time for himself?
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tesla will always have advantage over others as they released about half of superchargers available to others, while tesla can use all 25k and counting.
The chargers that only Tesla can use are the slower chargers (Urban Supercharger are 72kW, Supercharger version 1 are 100kW and Supercharger version 2 are 125/150kW). It is not worth the cost to updating the hardware for other cars to use. The remaining V3 & V4 chargers will be converted over time.
I agree with you, with the exception of several interstate travel corridors in rural areas that are almost exclusively V2. Those need to be upgraded so that the Tesla NACS network has complete coverage to support travel, right now there are huge holes in E-W coverage in the western US.
until all cars have nacs built in, cars its only tesla for me. i ain't carrying around those bulky annoying adapters.
I think it is irresponsible to promote 3rd party adapters. What happens if the adapter malfunctions and damages or burns up the EV. Will 3rd party adapter vendors repair or replace the EV? I had this happen with a 3rd party cell phone charger that damaged my phone. The 3rd party charger vendor denied any responsibility even though their charger had damaged my phone. Why take the risk? I will only use adapters certified by the EV vendor and Tesla.
They ADDED ANOTHER HEADACHE!
IF they want to USE TESLA SUPERCHARGER, their Charging Port must be in "REAR DRIVER SIDE" or "FRONT PASSENGER SIDE".
I've encountered an almost a fist fight here in TEXAS, when a Ford MACH E & Rivian R1S occupied 4 SLOTS.
(I own Tesla S & X, then waiting for my Cybertruck)
The best part is, the owners of those 2 vehicles was SMIRKING & RUDE.
IF TESLA wants EVERY EV use their CHARGING STATIONS, they SHOULD make a MANDATORY RULE that they can only use it IF they will change their charging port to "Rear Driver Side" OR "Front Passenger Side", period.
If Tesla wants every EV to use their charging stations, maybe Tesla, as the charging station owner, should change their stations to support other vehicles’ designs.
Which they are doing with the V4 Superchargers, which will have long enough cables to reach either side.
I wonder if these automakers can provide a 4-6ft extension cable for purchase. That would reduce these conflicts.
@@rk-jc9se
You CANNOT just EASILY add an extension for a FAST CHARGING STATION, as it should have a COOLING SYSTEM.
IF you noticed, TESLA SUPERCHARGERS has SHORT CABLE, so it doesn't need more cooling apparatus, plus with LESS WEAR.
They were already interviewed before, and after so MANY PROTOTYPES, they ended up with that Charging Port, with the design per Tesla Supercharging Station.
@@AnonymousFreakYT
That's the MOST STUPID thing to say.
THEY BEG to ELON to use the TESLA SUPERCHARGERS.
Even Jim Farley of FORD admitted that he called Elon and the answer was NO at 1st, BUT after some weeks of back and forth conversation, Elon caved in, so Tesla can help the EV industry.
They have THOUSANDS of charging stations, and you want TESLA to change them, just to PLEASE the other EV brands?
Again, that's the dumbest thing I hear from beggars, period.
@@rk-jc9se Tesla has already announced they’re making one for sale.
OMG the crappy paint job on the Rivian.