"Surely we can't have a vessel named after slavery in our franchise about armies composed of people who aren't paid and have no ability to say no to anything we ask of them"
Disney is the same company that fired one of the main actors in the Mandalorian just because she made a dumb comparison (not even a racist one just a dumb one) This should just be expected
The mouse has needed his ears clipped since his masters sought to extend the copyright just to keep him from entering the public domain . . . Which is where Walt got the majority of his movies from. The irony is not lost on this particular person.
It's not supposed to be a "cool" name. It's the scary kidnapping ship a bad guy uses to fly around with the people he hunts down and sells. If Han called the falcon the USS Lick My Jackboots that would be weird; Slave 1 makes total sense.
Jango didnt Buy it, he Stole it, ater his ship Jaster's Legacy was destroyed by a Firespray-31. it was one of six prototypes manufactured for the prison on Oovo IV. During the raid, Jango launched two missiles into the hangar bay housing the other five Firespray vessels. So Slave 1 maybe not the first, but She's the Last of her kind now.
In all the retcons, expansions, and deletions that happened between "Boba was just some random background character" to... now... I honestly lost track of what the prevailing explanation of Slave I's history was, especially in light of the annihilation of the EU and so on so forth.
@@SacredCowShipyards Oh sure, i mean the extended universe is now called Legends as opposed to Canon, but the Former is like an entire Library and the latter like a Jehovas Witness pamphlet, so i know which one i like to read. I enjoyed the rest of the naval history lesson though. Keep the critiques coming :)
Funny how they get all sensitive about a ship named the "Slave one" because slavery bad, while forgetting that Boba Fett was a bounty hunter that worked for an evil empire that last I knew canonically used slave labor extensively.... Catching runaway slaves seems like it would be part of his job description given the setting and the people he takes jobs from.... Almost like the man flying it was a bad guy....
Fett didn't buy the ship. He STOLE it. The Slave-1 was Jango Fett's ship, as we see him using it in Attack of the Clones. In a previous mission, Fett had to grab a prisoner from a high-security prison, and he stole one of the new Firespray-class starfighters which were meant for police use. The rest of the prototypes got blown up along with the prison, and Jango christened his new ship Slave-1.
That is what I heard/was told/remembered on how Jango got his ship. What I don't recall ever hearing is WHY he named it the Slave 1. Anyone know why he choose that name???
Just a side note: glad to see that joe schmuckatelli is still helping defend the country👍 i always figured he had retired to sell bug juice out of a truck or something
The real problem is the appeal of villain. It is a false argument. The proper place, and reason for freedom of speech in the arts, is that villains do bad things, and this includes what the "name" their property, how they treat their closer circles, the overlap of the two, and everything else. Just because a villain is appealing, the answer is not to make a villains cosmetics more tolerable or less abhorrent, as this weakens the structure of an existing character. What Disney and other IP owners need to learn is when you damage a working IP, regardless of reasons, you risk its viability and you hurt its value. People will notice, and this will cause cracks in blanket concepts to show and dandelions to find those cracks. Whether you like them or not. These will cost you money and effort to clean up, or straight losses to ignore.
"When a hero is in trouble, someone always comes to help; But the bad guys are always alone. No matter how many times they lose, they don't give up. They keep on fighting." - Kuga Yoshimitsu - Cutie and the Beast
Mickey can rename Boba Fett's ship as much as they want, Slave I will always be its name, its just too Iconic. That's like if Disney itself tried to have a name change, we're still going to call it Disney no matter what its new brand will be, that's just how it works.
Holy Jesus! When you got to the LCS I couldn't stop laughing. Another fine axiom: "Interchangable parts....WON'T." Star Wars ain't exactly my bailiwick, but I do know enough about it to recognize when they've screwed the pooch. Keep up the excellent work!
Amateurs talk tactics, masters talk logistics This is why I continue to insist that the Sherman is the most impactful tank in history, and the factor what really makes a superpower isnt all of the shiny toys upon which the media focuses, but rather the air and sea lift and support capabilities it employs.
I've heard an old joke among konigstiger/Tiger-2 crews was allegedly something like "one king tiger is worth ten Shermans! But the problem is that the Americans always seem to have *eleven* Shermans..."
The Sherman tank may have had average firepower and average armor. Though I will contend its base mid barrel 75mm gun had above average explosive filler in its shells and its sloping armor plus cast or welded construction increased its overall effectiveness. But it was reliable, moderately comfortable, mid to late models had big spring loaded hatches, it had excellent optics for everyone and the wet stowage option reduced the burn rate to less then 10 percent.
It would be between the Sherman and the T-34 in my book. The Sherman was designed to be a good (not great) tank & we just happened to have the industrial might to build a shit ton of them because we were on a different continent, logistically impossible to attack. The T-34 was designed to be *the* tank for a war of attrition on your border. Quick production, Low tolerances, Reliability metrics directly tied to average life expectancy (like 50 miles) and not a step further, Simple controls for your consumable rookie personnel, etc. Now the most impactful ship in history has got to be the Liberty class transport. Slow as shit, (would literally go backwards in a strong current & wind) paper thin hull, but 30 of them in a fleet and a million more on the way. U-boat captains just gave up sinking them because it wouldn't even make a dent in the war effort. One of the ships was literally built within 4 days and 15 hours of laying the keel. Thats stupid fast for a 440ft long ship.
@@CMDR_Hadion alot of the more advanced maintenance task on the T34 required levels of disassembly that would make a Panther blush. But when you don't expect the tank to survive more then maybe 50 to 100 hours what difference does it make.
If anyone wants to go much further down the shipping rabbit hole, Drachinifel is a fantastic Naval Histographer. Man has put up probably nigh on a thousand hours of content.
ehh you couldn't really Classes from a historical perspective meant more the hull type rather then the toys put on it and in it. like the nimitz class for example comprised of 10 ships made over the better part of 35 years which was then put into there own subclasses the original nimitz's then the theodores then the ronalds but the tech was constantly changing and new toys where being added and old toys were being taken off. to keep them more or less advanced but there all still nimitz's like the millenium falcon is a yt-1300 freighter heavily modified in the engines mostly but still a yt-1300 freighter because thats the hull used. like how the firespray class was its own class slave 1 was just one of the ships in the class and not the original because no one in there right minds buys the prototype of anything then slaughters the people who made it before they fix all the issues with it.
The slave 1 has been a firespray since at least the 90s as far as I remember from the technical manuals that companies release to case in on franchises. In other news the Roci from the expanse is either a corvette class frigate or a frigate class corvette
Classes - explained... for those of you who still didn't get it... A "class" of ship, (ex. "Iowa-class battleship") is like the make PLUS model of a car. ex., 2020 Camaro... with far fewer options... like maybe internal trim packages and paint color... (but NOT major differences like engines, transmission, etc.) The first ship of a class is the design prototype... they inevitably have BUGS... and almost always MAJOR bugs. It's like buying the first version of a new MS Windows... like 95, Vista, 8.0... You avoid it like the plague, given ANY choice at all, if you know what you're doing. A bit more about classes... Any experienced crewman who knows his job aboard one ship of a specific class SHOULD be able to transfer to any other ship in that class and not need to learn ANYTHING new. Everything on it should work identically to his/her previous ship of the same class. Engines, armor, weapons, sensors... should all be identical... which means capabilities are the same, which means ideal tactics in a given situation would be the same... top speed, cruising speed, maneuvering, defensive, offensive, and sensor capabilities would all be identical... This, of course, is the REASON that each ship in a class SHOULD be identical... to simplify EVERYTHING about supplying, crewing, training, and fighting the ship.
Unfortunately or fortunately US ships of any given class during and a bit after WW2 were not identical. There would be many differences between different ships in a class with just the main stuff being the same, main weapons and engineering spaces. With the Iowa class ships they had different AA armaments and different internal layouts outside of the engineering spaces.
@@Sturmischer Yes... but the IDEA of having classes (for example, "Iowa class", not type (as in BB's, CV's, etc) was for every ship in the class to be as identical as it was possible for them to make, which greatly reduced training and "staffing" problems. Of course, as ships got upgraded, for example, getting new radar, sonar, AA guns, etc., differences would happen. There were other reasons, too.
@@Nyet-Zdyes not really, right after they were built the Iowa's had very different layouts of their internal spaces. Like I said basically all of the engineering spaces would be the same, but anything outside of that was pretty much free game.
@@Nyet-Zdyes it's there with pretty much every class of ship, the Iowa class is just the one I know most about. The Sumner class ships were far from identical from each other, and I doubt the Fletchers were either. They all have differences that would mean that there would be some retraining require, from stuff like different placements of life rafts to the layout of different compartments.
I had the chance to visit USS Freedom. I also had the chance to visit USS Samuel B. Roberts. The Roberts looked like a ship built for the Navy. The Freedom looked like a ship built for Hotwheels.
And to especially confuse the modern audience, while state names were used for battleships and boomers, there were some cruisers named after Alaska and Hawaii, which to the modern viewer sounds like a third class of ships named after states. Except you'd have to know these cruisers were built during WW2, at which times those were just territories, not states. Others in the Alaska class included Guam, Philippines, Puerto Rico, and Samoa, which makes it obvious that they are named after territories, but if you just hear "Alaska class cruisers", the modern viewer might find themselves scratching their heads.
just to be brief the Alaska had an armor belt 9" this whereas Scharnhorst had armor over 4" thicker, and also thicker than many other battleships such as the Iowa class. Alaska was also built to cruiser standards vs Scharnhorst's battleship standard construction. As the gun difference, the Germans in WWI did use an 11" (approximate because metric go brrr) gun in their battleships, and the Germans had plans to give them 380 mm guns. The Alaska is an oversized cruiser while the Scharnhorst is an anemic battleship
Where did this poem about Ollanius Pius come from? " Somewhere in the universe a coin flip lands on its side. Somewhere in the universe a drop of water saves a life. Somewhere in the universe a pebble stops a landslide. Maybe it is because someone believed hard enough. Maybe it is because everything is secretly fair. Maybe it is because the universe is a vast place. Yesterday, I was very cold. Yesterday, I was very hungry. Yesterday, I wanted to run away. Today, I am going to believe hard enough. Today, a pebble will stop a landslide. Today, I am not going anywhere."
So a piece of lore I recently found out about how Jango got the ship, is he didn't purchase it. He claimed it from another bounty hunter who hadn't named it so far as I found. She was also an inexperienced hunter who spent to much on equipment, and who had also just lost Jango's old ship. So I wouldn't be surprised if she bought the newest line of ship that some salesman said would be perfect for bounty hunting, even though it was so new off the line the paint was still wet and no one flew this thing around enough to catch all the bugs yet.
When he gets into to the difficulty of ordering specific LCS parts, I can actually believe he is speaking from experience just from the frustration in his voice alone.
Amusingly, no. Blissfully, I had precisely jack-all to do with the nightmare monstrosities that are LCSes. But there are other frustrations at play, that I do have personal experience with.
I work in a body shop, and I don't know how many times we sit waiting for a part because the supplier sent THE WRONG PART! Has to be worse with government running it.
I just found this channel and love every single rant. I'm excited to wait for the day when Elite: Dangerous ships appear in the Shipyard for reprocessing.
Am I the only one who thought that it was a technical term, like how hard-drives used to be defined as Master and Slave? To me "Slave I" meant that Bobba Fett could pilot the ship remotely using his suit of armor.
See new Dreadnaught class being the new UK Boomer in development for more future confusion and if you want to confuse the issue more. There were also cruisers named after States as well. Namely the California class (there were only two) and they were around from the 70-late90's which overlaps both the boomers named after states and the battleships so for a decade (82-92) there were three types at least named for states
Slavik is not derivative of slave. It is derivative of Slovo meaning word. Meaning is people of word, that can speak language and can be understand, in opposition to those that do not spike same language.
"Slave I" could also be a reference to the person owning it, possibly some kind of Yoda individual who get their grammar wrong most of the time, that he (she or it) believes for him (her it) to be a slave, expressing a deep-seated sentiment to defend his (her it) course of action, expressing that "I am a slave".
The (very) old explanation for why it was called Slave I is that it could be remotely piloted via Boba Fett's wrist dealydoo. ie the ship was "slaved" to his controller, which in turn would presumably be labeled "Slave II" or something dumb like that. This idea seemed fine by me, but it was so unpopular that even the old Expanded Universe retconned it away
The funny thing about this whole mess, is it would be incredibly easy to have Boba Fett himself *rename the ship* . He's got a whole series coming out, and he's the protagonist, which is *very obviously* the reason they did the name change; can't have the kiddos rooting for the guy whose ship is intentionally named to evoke something horrific. But the characterization Fett has gotten, his literal character *arc*, would make it incredibly simple to just give Temeura Morrison a one-off line in the new show. Boba Fett correcting someone who understandably calls it by the old designation, in that no-nonsense rasp. 'Tyrant 1' would be sufficiently poetic, or something similar given Boba's new position. And yes, I'm aware that same characterization means it makes *perfect* sense for Boba to not change anything; he is definitively *not* a good person. But it isn't hard at all to have art accommodate the desires of the business it's attached to, and do it well.
I could see that happening and be more than okay with it and I'm sure there are many others that would be as well. There are so MANY issues that crop up with trying to PC a beloved fantasy SF universe that could be handled wonderfully with just a line or two of throwaway dialogue. Inevitably though, they will either not discuss it at all, leaving fans confused and in the dark on why the major recon occurred. Which will cause uproar and animosity towrds the new lords and masters of said franchise. Or they will over emphasize the change and beat the audiance about the head and face with the minor change/retcon forcing it down their throats. Which will lead to the same result as option 1. (smh)
As a non-city dweller who loves cars and trucks, getting parts can be a serious headache. Especially for two of my vehicles as they're first gen versions.
The slave-I is the name of the ship not the class of ships its name was the "Firespray-patrol cruiser" something i learnt in what empire at war. That being said who knows what when it comes to canon nowadays tough
The Slave-1 was one of a small private line of ships designed for some private location. The ship was stolen by Jango Fett and used as a get away vehicle, he also destroyed every other ship in the line, making the Slave-1 the only surviving copy of the ships model.
11:47 I love that you bleeped out cr*p. Very considerate for the younger audience who just wants to enjoy a nice, family friendly 20-minute rant about battleship naming conventions.
Funny story about requisitions: at one time the DOD shared a system. All orders were made by entering an alphanumeric string from a catalog. There was no feedback in the ordering system itself. We got a call from Kentucky after ordering laboratory supplies once, asking why an aircraft carrier required M1 Abrams turret assemblies. Order was caceled, sadly.
As far as I can remember from the pre-mouse EU Slave I was one of 6 Firespray class prototype and it was stolen in lieu of a failure to be paid. I could be wrong on some details here
Is this quote spoken in a specific episode? I came across this quote while searching for something on the net and I have never seen an episode of B5. So ask if this quote came from an specific episode. The humans, I think, knew they were doomed. But where another race would surrender to despair, the humans fought back with even greater strength. They made the Minbari fight for every inch of space. In my life, I have never seen anything like it. They would weep, They would pray, They would say goodbye to their loved ones, then throw themselves without fear or hesitation into the very face of death itself, never surrendering. No one who saw them fighting against the inevitable, could help but be moved to tears by their courage, their stubborn nobility. When they ran out of ships they used guns. When they ran out of guns they used knives and sticks, and bare hands. They were magnificent. I only hope that when it is my time, I may die with half as much dignity as I saw in their eyes in the end. They did this for two years. They never ran out of courage. But in the end, they ran out of time.
If you played Jango Fett: Bounty Hunter on the GameCube back in the day, you find out a bit about how the Slave I came to be. She's actually part of a prototype line of police patrol craft, which Jango later refitted with his own modifications that was to be the Slave I we saw in that iconic scene of Attack of the Clones movie.
The charm of Star Wars is (or at least was) the idea that good and evil were very distinct ideas and Boba Fett was a Bad Guy(tm). Of course he named his ship Slave I. Some of the bounty hunting he did, if I remember correctly, was rounding up escaped slaves. I had Wookie braids on his armor as trophies. He didn't ask for them. Now it's Current Year(tm) and we can't have bad guys be bad guys that do bad things, no no, we wouldn't want to offend someone's fee-fees. Jango Fett and later Boba Fett flew a Firespray class patrol craft called Slave I and no rodent is going to tell me otherwise. If they don't want to offend the little children, they can just call it a Firespray Class ship, not 'the' Firespray.
Naming multiple ships the same name maybe a tactic used to confuse any kind of enemy intelligence gathered on our naval vessels. Idk I'm not sure that would work, just my opinion. I might be wrong lol
All other things aside, given the design of the Firespray-31, including the armament it's supposed to carry (versus what the Fetts did to theirs), I feel rather like judging ships may not be one of Boba Fett's stronger skills. It's got more in common with shuttlecraft than an actual starfighter, though again, that's just talking about the stock design.
seemed like he got what he needed, nothing wasted. guns capable of rear facing usable by a co-pilot, a grav-mine to dissuade pursuers, enough cargo space to get the job done, a nice big footprint to ease landing and enough speed to get places and not be utterly swarmed by actual fighters (a couple of mines let him outrun a jedi starfighter).
Also keep in mind that this was originally a mining vessel meant for light cargo hauling to and from mine sites. It also carries Seismic Charges, which are demonstrated to be incredibly effective in Attack of the Clones. If you think about its intended purpose it really does make sense. And an old mining ship is rather inconspicuous if you think about it. Just like how the Falcon can get most places without people asking questions. Its just another customized YT-1300 Freighter.
Can't the same thing be said for the Razor Crest? As much as I love the name, wherever Mando goes, beginning with the first episode, Everyone and their mother calls it the Razor Crest. This includes those who never saw that specific ship. The first alien that we see Mando bring in and the flight crew on the planet that Mando crash lands on in the episode: The Passenger both call it by name or is it class?
Just a side note I worked at austal shipyard a while back, they build the LCS tri hull type, I wil say they cut corners on tradesmen, they regularly brought in fraudulent tradesmen, I remember a Philippino boilermaker grade 5 who did a weld so bad my brother as a first year apprentice plant mech had to fix it! That being said, the LCS in service we only trial versions and were only test ships I forget the nitty gritty but they abused them intentionally to iron out the bugs in the first few to ensure the next batch would be all good, I have no idea if they wil make more but that is what I have dug up
It is explained in the Expanded Universe why Jango and Boba Fett call this ship Slave I: amongst the many hidden features on Jango/Boba's Mandalorian armor is a remote control to which the ship is "slaved" (which contextually just means that it can be remote controlled). Since they have more than one ship, and since each of their ships has this remote-control/slave feature, therefore you have at the very least Slave I and Slave II.
Well, we sent a big pump back for refurbishment for HMAS SUCCESS refit, ordered a new pump and got the original one back un-refurbished, seems like the parts system leaves a lot to be desired, only the best of the best get to work in the warehousing system.
My understanding (acknowledging the EU is no longer canon) is that it was named Slave 1 because Jango *himself* was a slave, and this was an homage to his struggle for freedom. So congratulations mouse. You had a tailor-made inspirational story that you could have highlighted for your villain-turned-protagonist and you FUCKED it.
Although Disney *claims* the problem they had was with the word 'Slave', I'm pretty sure it was that the number following it was too small. You just have to remember that Disney made The Song of the South.
Well they were accused of using slave labor for their Mulan movie and their response was "well most of it was filmed in New Zealand". They are just doing something easy to virtue signal.
Wow, this is a super educational episode. Looking forward to more of this, Thanks for the lesson. Also, the moment I heard you say what you said about studying tactics vs logistic, I realized this was a channel I'd want to be subscribed to.
Mando's ship, the main character who's a Mandalorian from a show called the Mandalorian, doesn't seem to have a name either. Blue guy from episode 1 identified it as a Razorcrest, it doesn't seem to have a name any more than my annoying as hell (but its mine, you can't have it) 8 inch adjustable spanner has a name. Its a tool to get a job done and doesn't really need a name to do that. I feel that its the same for Boba, though I would think Boba would treasure it as his fathers ship and would probably name it something kinda intimidating to create and maintain his reputation as a fearsome bounty hunter.
I’d like to direct y’all to Eckhart’s Ladder’s video on the slave 1 situation. It doesn’t sound like they’re actually renaming it at all, and this is all just overblown by social media.
Jango stole the Slave 1 during a job where he was going to basically start a jail break but then proceeded to blow the entire space prison to smithereens. He then renamed the ship to Slave 1 because of his past dealings as he himself had once been a slave. He used the ship to spread fear and try to make slavery less common.
I *really* wish you had not raised this subject… Just as we got a Solo movie, which explained every little detail of Solo’s history, despite no-one asking for it, as it was better left to the individuals’ imagination, I can now see Kathleen Kennedy planning a trilogy around why Boba’s ship is named the Firespray…. God damnit…
No, this was 100% "We can't use the word Slave. Was this ship called something else?" "Yeah, it's a Firespray-class patrol craft, but-" "Great, the Firespray it is. Change it now." And never again was the Marauder or the Andrasta mentioned, because those are probably also exclusively "Legends" now.
Here I was first hearing that line in the show and assuming Boba Fett had just decided to start referring to the ship by its class name, like "the corvette," in polite company, but no, of course everything is way worse than it seemed :\
Class is a bit akin to the model of a car. For instance, Under the vehicle type of "Trucks", you have the sub-class of "full size pick-up". Under that sub-type, you have model/class of the Ford F-150, Dodge Ram, etc.
That doesn't really work--the name of the class should change every time there's a major redesign. But how many major redesigns have there been for Dodge Ram?
A bit older example of a class diverging. Imperial Japanese destroyer Special Type 1, 2 and 3. The Fubuki-class, Ayanami-class and Akatsuki-class. Also thr Hatsuharu-class and Shiratsuyu-class are basically type 1 and 2 of their own line.
Let's also not forget that certain nations (i'm mostly looking at japan here) kinda fucked up the shiptype system too (which is the main reason why i dislike the izumo class multi-puropose destroyer)
B before C for a Battlecruiser made sense when they were cruisers because of ease of bookeeping so you'd have all the Cruisers in one place: CB, CV, CA, CL and so on (Cruiser Battle, Cruiser Voler aka Flying in French for some reason, Cruiser Armored initially and then Heavy, Cruiser Light because they were unarmored initially)
@@gokbay3057 rereading it and you are correct about the CB, tho arguably the Alaska class Large Cruisers were actually Battlecruiser and the USN just wanted to be different / special.. or trick congress into paying for Battlecruisers. Official Battlecruiser designation would have been CC, and BC was never used. As for aViation... perhaps but that wouldn't make much sense when you consider that the USN used the Z designation for Airships and Blips. But officially, for the USN, C stands for Cruiser and V for ... Heavier Than Air (craft). So no help there :D taken from "United States Naval Aviation 1910-1995, Appendix 16: US Navy and Marine Corps Squadron Designations and Abbreviations": "On 17 July 1920, the Secretary of the Navy prescribed a standard nomenclature for types and classes of NAVAL VESSELs, including aircraft, in which lighter-than air craft were identified by the type "Z" and heavier-than air craft by the letter "V". The reference also speculates that: "The use of the "V" designation has been a question since the 1920s. However, no conclusive evidence has been found to identify why the letter "V" was chosen. It is generally believed the "V" was in reference to the French word volplane. As a verb, the word means to glide or soar. As a noun, it described an aeronautical device sustained in the air by lifting devices (wings), as opposed to the bag of gas that the airships (denoted by "Z") used. The same case may be regarding the use of "Z". It is generally believed the "Z" was used in deference to Count Ferdinand von Zeppelin. However, documentation has not been located to verify this assumption." So the correct answer is V in naval terms denotes Heavier Than Air because the Secretary of the Navy in 1920, Josephus Daniels, said so.
@@Palora01 Alaska class does pretty much have the same mission profile with battlecruisers as designed. I consider them to be not battlecruisers for several reasons. 1. Alaska is not a smaller Iowa/South Dakota (thought battlecruisers actually tended to be larger than contemporary battleships, because engines require more space than guns and armour), it is a larger Baltimore. The design is not a capital ship adapted for speed over firepower and protection it is a supersized heavy cruiser. (This influences some things such as the underwater protection scheme) 2. Battlecruisers tend to use the same size guns as battleship (but often dropping a turret for speed), that was 16 inch by the time Alaskas are being ordered. At that point 12 inch was not really a capital grade weapon anymore. (You could also technically argue that the Iowa class is the battlecruiser variant of the cancelled Montana class)
15:20 that message you threw up on screen about laziness earned a like lol. All UA-camrs do it, you're the only one I've seen admit "Screw it, I could have done it over, but I didn't want to" and damn it, I appreciate the honesty. You are quickly becoming one of my favorite channels. Keep up the good work my friend
i would like to remind you that all of this controversy stems of a lego set calling the set "boba fetts ship" to make it easier for parents to know which toy to buy for their kids now that the mandalorian has brought the thing back into the spotlight the ship is still called slave 1 and even if the changed the things name it ultimately would not matter as and I cannot stress this enough it's name as never once been said on screen and that trend will most likely remain intact
Good rant. One point though - The ship was not purchased by Bobba Fett - it was obtained by Django Fett (Bobbas father/clonning donor) and it was in all actuality stolen by Django, during some other mission, and it seems it was such phase of the production, that the CLASS never got out after the "incident" during wich "all prototypes exploded" (and one quietly become Slave1). Bobba did (possibly) purchased the ship afterwards once or twice, but he already knew the ship verry well.
Slave-1 is not the FIRST of its kind, it is the LAST. And its name has NOTHING TO DO WITH ITS CLASS, because it wasn't named by its builders. And 'Firespray' was ALWAYS its class, even before Disney got involved. LONG before Disney got involved. ...because it was a prototype ship the company was trying to sell to the Empire, and only six of them were made. Jango Fett never bought it, he stole it, and immediately used it to blow up the rest while escaping a prison he infiltrated so he couldn't be pursued. With the prototypes all destroyed, the deal fell apart between no ability to demonstrate its capabilities directly while hiding its shortcomings because they had to sell it through presentation of the plans to Imperial engineers... which earned the salesmen a slap on the back of a head and a boot out the door because the base design was AWFUL. Whereupon the little company died because all its assets were sunk into the destroyed prototypes and it NEEDED to land this contract to live. Meanwhile, since Jango Fett escaped an Imperial Slave Labor Camp in it, which he infiltrated by posing as a PRISONER, he jokingly called it The Slave-1. Because in it, THE SLAVE WON. Whatever its original class, it's no longer anything like it was originally designed except in shape, and has been modified like you wouldn't believe with custom armor, shields, engines, and weapons, since while it's not the best ship, Jango got attached to it, and Boba basically grew up in it so he was attached to it, too.
"Surely we can't have a vessel named after slavery in our franchise about armies composed of people who aren't paid and have no ability to say no to anything we ask of them"
Honestly, the Trap of Rat has barely even done anything of their own, let alone done anything right, since _Gargoyles,_ so...
@@seand.g423 why write your own stories when you can extort other peoples stories
Disney is the same company that fired one of the main actors in the Mandalorian just because she made a dumb comparison (not even a racist one just a dumb one) This should just be expected
Just here to breakup the light blue gang
"PRISONERS WITH JOBS" bois
The mouse has needed his ears clipped since his masters sought to extend the copyright just to keep him from entering the public domain . . . Which is where Walt got the majority of his movies from. The irony is not lost on this particular person.
It's already neutered
@@njalsand133 than lets do it agian, this time we clip even more off
It's not supposed to be a "cool" name. It's the scary kidnapping ship a bad guy uses to fly around with the people he hunts down and sells. If Han called the falcon the USS Lick My Jackboots that would be weird; Slave 1 makes total sense.
Jango didnt Buy it, he Stole it, ater his ship Jaster's Legacy was destroyed by a Firespray-31. it was one of six prototypes manufactured for the prison on Oovo IV. During the raid, Jango launched two missiles into the hangar bay housing the other five Firespray vessels. So Slave 1 maybe not the first, but She's the Last of her kind now.
In all the retcons, expansions, and deletions that happened between "Boba was just some random background character" to... now... I honestly lost track of what the prevailing explanation of Slave I's history was, especially in light of the annihilation of the EU and so on so forth.
@@SacredCowShipyards Oh sure, i mean the extended universe is now called Legends as opposed to Canon, but the Former is like an entire Library and the latter like a Jehovas Witness pamphlet, so i know which one i like to read. I enjoyed the rest of the naval history lesson though. Keep the critiques coming :)
@@ModelDiver hey I used to know those. Lol
Then was reintroduced much later probably during the later years of empire
Funny how they get all sensitive about a ship named the "Slave one" because slavery bad, while forgetting that Boba Fett was a bounty hunter that worked for an evil empire that last I knew canonically used slave labor extensively.... Catching runaway slaves seems like it would be part of his job description given the setting and the people he takes jobs from.... Almost like the man flying it was a bad guy....
Fett didn't buy the ship. He STOLE it. The Slave-1 was Jango Fett's ship, as we see him using it in Attack of the Clones. In a previous mission, Fett had to grab a prisoner from a high-security prison, and he stole one of the new Firespray-class starfighters which were meant for police use. The rest of the prototypes got blown up along with the prison, and Jango christened his new ship Slave-1.
That is what I heard/was told/remembered on how Jango got his ship. What I don't recall ever hearing is WHY he named it the Slave 1. Anyone know why he choose that name???
@@earlware4322 I dunno. He was just being an asshole at the time.
@@earlware4322 or that was the name on it and he just never cared to change it
@@dragonjaj It didn't have a name before Fett stole it.
@@earlware4322 if i had to guess? He sold people after he captured them who may or may not have been put into slavery after
Just a side note: glad to see that joe schmuckatelli is still helping defend the country👍 i always figured he had retired to sell bug juice out of a truck or something
The schmuckatelli blood line has several generations of diverse service. I’m sure I have had one in every division I have ever been in.
The real problem is the appeal of villain. It is a false argument. The proper place, and reason for freedom of speech in the arts, is that villains do bad things, and this includes what the "name" their property, how they treat their closer circles, the overlap of the two, and everything else. Just because a villain is appealing, the answer is not to make a villains cosmetics more tolerable or less abhorrent, as this weakens the structure of an existing character. What Disney and other IP owners need to learn is when you damage a working IP, regardless of reasons, you risk its viability and you hurt its value. People will notice, and this will cause cracks in blanket concepts to show and dandelions to find those cracks. Whether you like them or not. These will cost you money and effort to clean up, or straight losses to ignore.
"When a hero is in trouble, someone always comes to help; But the bad guys are always alone. No matter how many times they lose, they don't give up. They keep on fighting." - Kuga Yoshimitsu - Cutie and the Beast
Mickey can rename Boba Fett's ship as much as they want, Slave I will always be its name, its just too Iconic. That's like if Disney itself tried to have a name change, we're still going to call it Disney no matter what its new brand will be, that's just how it works.
The name's too stuck-on at this point.
At least they didnt rename it "XXIII th Party Convention" (yet)
'Fire Spray' sounds like what was coming out of me two weeks ago when I had stomach flu.
Holy Jesus! When you got to the LCS I couldn't stop laughing.
Another fine axiom: "Interchangable parts....WON'T."
Star Wars ain't exactly my bailiwick, but I do know enough about it to recognize when they've screwed the pooch. Keep up the excellent work!
Amateurs talk tactics, masters talk logistics
This is why I continue to insist that the Sherman is the most impactful tank in history, and the factor what really makes a superpower isnt all of the shiny toys upon which the media focuses, but rather the air and sea lift and support capabilities it employs.
I've heard an old joke among konigstiger/Tiger-2 crews was allegedly something like "one king tiger is worth ten Shermans! But the problem is that the Americans always seem to have *eleven* Shermans..."
@@andrewgause6971 that's a good joke. Got a good laugh out of me.
The Sherman tank may have had average firepower and average armor. Though I will contend its base mid barrel 75mm gun had above average explosive filler in its shells and its sloping armor plus cast or welded construction increased its overall effectiveness.
But it was reliable, moderately comfortable, mid to late models had big spring loaded hatches, it had excellent optics for everyone and the wet stowage option reduced the burn rate to less then 10 percent.
It would be between the Sherman and the T-34 in my book. The Sherman was designed to be a good (not great) tank & we just happened to have the industrial might to build a shit ton of them because we were on a different continent, logistically impossible to attack. The T-34 was designed to be *the* tank for a war of attrition on your border. Quick production, Low tolerances, Reliability metrics directly tied to average life expectancy (like 50 miles) and not a step further, Simple controls for your consumable rookie personnel, etc.
Now the most impactful ship in history has got to be the Liberty class transport. Slow as shit, (would literally go backwards in a strong current & wind) paper thin hull, but 30 of them in a fleet and a million more on the way. U-boat captains just gave up sinking them because it wouldn't even make a dent in the war effort. One of the ships was literally built within 4 days and 15 hours of laying the keel. Thats stupid fast for a 440ft long ship.
@@CMDR_Hadion alot of the more advanced maintenance task on the T34 required levels of disassembly that would make a Panther blush.
But when you don't expect the tank to survive more then maybe 50 to 100 hours what difference does it make.
There’s also the USS Missouri has been Sidewheel Frigate, a Maine-class BB, a Iowa-Class BB, and Virginia-class SSN
If anyone wants to go much further down the shipping rabbit hole, Drachinifel is a fantastic Naval Histographer.
Man has put up probably nigh on a thousand hours of content.
Responding to this so that it might get more attention, Drach is really good.
You could argue, that the heavily modified Slave I, is in fact it's own class at this point.
its the last of its class to start with Jango used it to blow up the others lol
From Cop Cruiser to Underworld super modded Bounty Hunter gunship... YA bit different 😂
@@IronWarhorsesFun not even a cruiser, it was prison bus/patrol ship
ehh you couldn't really Classes from a historical perspective meant more the hull type rather then the toys put on it and in it. like the nimitz class for example comprised of 10 ships made over the better part of 35 years which was then put into there own subclasses the original nimitz's then the theodores then the ronalds but the tech was constantly changing and new toys where being added and old toys were being taken off. to keep them more or less advanced but there all still nimitz's
like the millenium falcon is a yt-1300 freighter heavily modified in the engines mostly but still a yt-1300 freighter because thats the hull used. like how the firespray class was its own class slave 1 was just one of the ships in the class and not the original because no one in there right minds buys the prototype of anything then slaughters the people who made it before they fix all the issues with it.
@@si2foo fine, subclass, still different enough to be considered different.
The slave 1 has been a firespray since at least the 90s as far as I remember from the technical manuals that companies release to case in on franchises. In other news the Roci from the expanse is either a corvette class frigate or a frigate class corvette
It was a Firespray 31.
Classes - explained... for those of you who still didn't get it...
A "class" of ship, (ex. "Iowa-class battleship") is like the make PLUS model of a car.
ex., 2020 Camaro... with far fewer options... like maybe internal trim packages and paint color... (but NOT major differences like engines, transmission, etc.)
The first ship of a class is the design prototype... they inevitably have BUGS... and almost always MAJOR bugs.
It's like buying the first version of a new MS Windows... like 95, Vista, 8.0...
You avoid it like the plague, given ANY choice at all, if you know what you're doing.
A bit more about classes...
Any experienced crewman who knows his job aboard one ship of a specific class SHOULD be able to transfer to any other ship in that class and not need to learn ANYTHING new. Everything on it should work identically to his/her previous ship of the same class.
Engines, armor, weapons, sensors... should all be identical... which means capabilities are the same, which means ideal tactics in a given situation would be the same... top speed, cruising speed, maneuvering, defensive, offensive, and sensor capabilities would all be identical...
This, of course, is the REASON that each ship in a class SHOULD be identical... to simplify EVERYTHING about supplying, crewing, training, and fighting the ship.
Unfortunately or fortunately US ships of any given class during and a bit after WW2 were not identical. There would be many differences between different ships in a class with just the main stuff being the same, main weapons and engineering spaces. With the Iowa class ships they had different AA armaments and different internal layouts outside of the engineering spaces.
@@Sturmischer Yes... but the IDEA of having classes (for example, "Iowa class", not type (as in BB's, CV's, etc) was for every ship in the class to be as identical as it was possible for them to make, which greatly reduced training and "staffing" problems.
Of course, as ships got upgraded, for example, getting new radar, sonar, AA guns, etc., differences would happen.
There were other reasons, too.
@@Nyet-Zdyes not really, right after they were built the Iowa's had very different layouts of their internal spaces. Like I said basically all of the engineering spaces would be the same, but anything outside of that was pretty much free game.
@@Sturmischer My original point was about the INTENT behind having classes... NOT about specific examples of people going AGAINST that intent...
@@Nyet-Zdyes it's there with pretty much every class of ship, the Iowa class is just the one I know most about. The Sumner class ships were far from identical from each other, and I doubt the Fletchers were either. They all have differences that would mean that there would be some retraining require, from stuff like different placements of life rafts to the layout of different compartments.
I had the chance to visit USS Freedom. I also had the chance to visit USS Samuel B. Roberts. The Roberts looked like a ship built for the Navy. The Freedom looked like a ship built for Hotwheels.
And to especially confuse the modern audience, while state names were used for battleships and boomers, there were some cruisers named after Alaska and Hawaii, which to the modern viewer sounds like a third class of ships named after states. Except you'd have to know these cruisers were built during WW2, at which times those were just territories, not states. Others in the Alaska class included Guam, Philippines, Puerto Rico, and Samoa, which makes it obvious that they are named after territories, but if you just hear "Alaska class cruisers", the modern viewer might find themselves scratching their heads.
The USS Alaska was really just a small Battleship identifying as a cruiser
@@jesseroegames1518 It did not have battleship size guns so it was not even a battlecruiser, much less a battleship.
@@akihitokoizumi2474 That kinda depends on the definition of a BC. Is a BC a cruiser-killer or a glass-cannon battleship?
@@akihitokoizumi2474 It had bigger guns and similiar armor thickness to the Scharnhorst class.
just to be brief the Alaska had an armor belt 9" this whereas Scharnhorst had armor over 4" thicker, and also thicker than many other battleships such as the Iowa class. Alaska was also built to cruiser standards vs Scharnhorst's battleship standard construction. As the gun difference, the Germans in WWI did use an 11" (approximate because metric go brrr) gun in their battleships, and the Germans had plans to give them 380 mm guns. The Alaska is an oversized cruiser while the Scharnhorst is an anemic battleship
Where did this poem about Ollanius Pius come from?
" Somewhere in the universe a coin flip lands on its side.
Somewhere in the universe a drop of water saves a life.
Somewhere in the universe a pebble stops a landslide.
Maybe it is because someone believed hard enough.
Maybe it is because everything is secretly fair.
Maybe it is because the universe is a vast place.
Yesterday, I was very cold.
Yesterday, I was very hungry.
Yesterday, I wanted to run away.
Today, I am going to believe hard enough.
Today, a pebble will stop a landslide.
Today, I am not going anywhere."
The mouse drove a boat a century ago, probably the most naval experience in the whole group.....
So a piece of lore I recently found out about how Jango got the ship, is he didn't purchase it. He claimed it from another bounty hunter who hadn't named it so far as I found. She was also an inexperienced hunter who spent to much on equipment, and who had also just lost Jango's old ship. So I wouldn't be surprised if she bought the newest line of ship that some salesman said would be perfect for bounty hunting, even though it was so new off the line the paint was still wet and no one flew this thing around enough to catch all the bugs yet.
When he gets into to the difficulty of ordering specific LCS parts, I can actually believe he is speaking from experience just from the frustration in his voice alone.
Amusingly, no. Blissfully, I had precisely jack-all to do with the nightmare monstrosities that are LCSes.
But there are other frustrations at play, that I do have personal experience with.
>Micro-encephalitic failiure at life
Naval swearing is colorful that we need an episode on Spacefaring swearing.
I work in a body shop, and I don't know how many times we sit waiting for a part because the supplier sent THE WRONG PART! Has to be worse with government running it.
I just found this channel and love every single rant. I'm excited to wait for the day when Elite: Dangerous ships appear in the Shipyard for reprocessing.
Welcome to the madness.
Yes! Please do some Ed ships, the type 10 specifically might give you some good ranting material lol
Same the story he makes is great fun
Am I the only one who thought that it was a technical term, like how hard-drives used to be defined as Master and Slave?
To me "Slave I" meant that Bobba Fett could pilot the ship remotely using his suit of armor.
Boba got it from Jango who called it that because he stole it when he was a slave, “Slave Won”
See new Dreadnaught class being the new UK Boomer in development for more future confusion
and if you want to confuse the issue more. There were also cruisers named after States as well. Namely the California class (there were only two) and they were around from the 70-late90's which overlaps both the boomers named after states and the battleships so for a decade (82-92) there were three types at least named for states
He said "ya'll". Subbing forever. A man of proper eloquence deserves no less. You are a scholar and a gentleman sir. (From the son of a Texan).
Thank you, sir!
Thanks, this got me so confused as a kid: I visited the USS Alabama which is a South Dakota Class ... why name it after 2 States?
In regards to the LCS ships, the following statement applies fully.
"Jack of all trades, master of none, but still not as good as a master of one."
Alternate names for Slave 1.
Leia's bikini 1
Robot 1
Slavic 1
Indentured servant 1
its disney gotta go progressive:
Abortionator 1
Slavik is not derivative of slave. It is derivative of Slovo meaning word. Meaning is people of word, that can speak language and can be understand, in opposition to those that do not spike same language.
@@idminister Yes, yes you only care about babies when you can use them to "own the libs", we get it.
Thought that was a star destroyer.
"Slave I" could also be a reference to the person owning it, possibly some kind of Yoda individual who get their grammar wrong most of the time, that he (she or it) believes for him (her it) to be a slave, expressing a deep-seated sentiment to defend his (her it) course of action, expressing that "I am a slave".
The (very) old explanation for why it was called Slave I is that it could be remotely piloted via Boba Fett's wrist dealydoo. ie the ship was "slaved" to his controller, which in turn would presumably be labeled "Slave II" or something dumb like that. This idea seemed fine by me, but it was so unpopular that even the old Expanded Universe retconned it away
Or it's a play on words. Slave Won.
Ah I remember Episode 1, when Qui Gon bought Anakin to free him from Boba Fett's Shipery.
The funny thing about this whole mess, is it would be incredibly easy to have Boba Fett himself *rename the ship* .
He's got a whole series coming out, and he's the protagonist, which is *very obviously* the reason they did the name change; can't have the kiddos rooting for the guy whose ship is intentionally named to evoke something horrific.
But the characterization Fett has gotten, his literal character *arc*, would make it incredibly simple to just give Temeura Morrison a one-off line in the new show. Boba Fett correcting someone who understandably calls it by the old designation, in that no-nonsense rasp. 'Tyrant 1' would be sufficiently poetic, or something similar given Boba's new position.
And yes, I'm aware that same characterization means it makes *perfect* sense for Boba to not change anything; he is definitively *not* a good person. But it isn't hard at all to have art accommodate the desires of the business it's attached to, and do it well.
I could see that happening and be more than okay with it and I'm sure there are many others that would be as well. There are so MANY issues that crop up with trying to PC a beloved fantasy SF universe that could be handled wonderfully with just a line or two of throwaway dialogue.
Inevitably though, they will either not discuss it at all, leaving fans confused and in the dark on why the major recon occurred. Which will cause uproar and animosity towrds the new lords and masters of said franchise. Or they will over emphasize the change and beat the audiance about the head and face with the minor change/retcon forcing it down their throats. Which will lead to the same result as option 1. (smh)
Boba Fett's ship on the landing platform seems to look a bit like a smiling crocodile with powerful hind legs.
As a non-city dweller who loves cars and trucks, getting parts can be a serious headache. Especially for two of my vehicles as they're first gen versions.
The slave-I is the name of the ship not the class of ships its name was the "Firespray-patrol cruiser" something i learnt in what empire at war.
That being said who knows what when it comes to canon nowadays tough
The Slave-1 was one of a small private line of ships designed for some private location. The ship was stolen by Jango Fett and used as a get away vehicle, he also destroyed every other ship in the line, making the Slave-1 the only surviving copy of the ships model.
i live where the independence classes were built and as many failures as they have the do look pretty when they're floating
11:47 I love that you bleeped out cr*p. Very considerate for the younger audience who just wants to enjoy a nice, family friendly 20-minute rant about battleship naming conventions.
If it weren't for the bleeps, the Algorithm wouldn't have shown you this channel.
Funny story about requisitions: at one time the DOD shared a system. All orders were made by entering an alphanumeric string from a catalog. There was no feedback in the ordering system itself. We got a call from Kentucky after ordering laboratory supplies once, asking why an aircraft carrier required M1 Abrams turret assemblies. Order was caceled, sadly.
"Because we need one."
You didn't say what type of laboratory
@12:30, dude, I work in USAF aircraft maintenance and I COMPLETELY feel the level of anger behind that.
As far as I can remember from the pre-mouse EU Slave I was one of 6 Firespray class prototype and it was stolen in lieu of a failure to be paid. I could be wrong on some details here
The SLAVE 1 IS A FIRESPRAY CLASS SHIP, THIS HAS BEEN CANNON SINCE (AT LEAST) THE PREQUELS
Is this quote spoken in a specific episode?
I came across this quote while searching for something on the net and I have never seen an episode of B5. So ask if this quote came from an specific episode.
The humans, I think, knew they were doomed. But where another race would surrender to despair, the humans fought back with even greater strength. They made the Minbari fight for every inch of space. In my life, I have never seen anything like it. They would weep, They would pray, They would say goodbye to their loved ones, then throw themselves without fear or hesitation into the very face of death itself, never surrendering. No one who saw them fighting against the inevitable, could help but be moved to tears by their courage, their stubborn nobility. When they ran out of ships they used guns. When they ran out of guns they used knives and sticks, and bare hands. They were magnificent. I only hope that when it is my time, I may die with half as much dignity as I saw in their eyes in the end. They did this for two years. They never ran out of courage. But in the end, they ran out of time.
That's a quote by Londo Mollari, from the "In the Beginning" movie.
Mickey Palpatine: We cannot have a ship named after slavery while my empire enslaves non-humans...
If you played Jango Fett: Bounty Hunter on the GameCube back in the day, you find out a bit about how the Slave I came to be. She's actually part of a prototype line of police patrol craft, which Jango later refitted with his own modifications that was to be the Slave I we saw in that iconic scene of Attack of the Clones movie.
And after Boba lost it to Hondo Onaka got repainted to its iconic original trilogy colors. Yes thank Hondo for giving Boba his colors.
The charm of Star Wars is (or at least was) the idea that good and evil were very distinct ideas and Boba Fett was a Bad Guy(tm). Of course he named his ship Slave I. Some of the bounty hunting he did, if I remember correctly, was rounding up escaped slaves. I had Wookie braids on his armor as trophies. He didn't ask for them. Now it's Current Year(tm) and we can't have bad guys be bad guys that do bad things, no no, we wouldn't want to offend someone's fee-fees.
Jango Fett and later Boba Fett flew a Firespray class patrol craft called Slave I and no rodent is going to tell me otherwise. If they don't want to offend the little children, they can just call it a Firespray Class ship, not 'the' Firespray.
Thanks for telling the "Mouse"off! Dock Boss would you be willing to do an episode on the Salimus(from Gundam) and the Yamato (from StarBlazers)?
Naming multiple ships the same name maybe a tactic used to confuse any kind of enemy intelligence gathered on our naval vessels. Idk I'm not sure that would work, just my opinion. I might be wrong lol
It was not even a Firespray class, but a Firespray-31 type "fast attack/patrol boat", before Jango laid his hands on it.
You should see the Buzzard Class battle cruiser.
The opening of this video made me smile
All other things aside, given the design of the Firespray-31, including the armament it's supposed to carry (versus what the Fetts did to theirs), I feel rather like judging ships may not be one of Boba Fett's stronger skills. It's got more in common with shuttlecraft than an actual starfighter, though again, that's just talking about the stock design.
seemed like he got what he needed, nothing wasted.
guns capable of rear facing usable by a co-pilot, a grav-mine to dissuade pursuers, enough cargo space to get the job done, a nice big footprint to ease landing and enough speed to get places and not be utterly swarmed by actual fighters (a couple of mines let him outrun a jedi starfighter).
Also keep in mind that this was originally a mining vessel meant for light cargo hauling to and from mine sites. It also carries Seismic Charges, which are demonstrated to be incredibly effective in Attack of the Clones.
If you think about its intended purpose it really does make sense. And an old mining ship is rather inconspicuous if you think about it. Just like how the Falcon can get most places without people asking questions. Its just another customized YT-1300 Freighter.
@@npswm1314 it was a prison patrol ship
He doesn't need a fighter. He does need a cargo ship to haul bounties around in .
Given Disney that they named a ship from their Hiiiiiigh Republic novels "The Ship" it's no surprise they would rename Slave-2 into Firespray
That’s the Slave-1, the Slave-2 was a clunky-ass MandalMotors design.
Can't the same thing be said for the Razor Crest? As much as I love the name, wherever Mando goes, beginning with the first episode, Everyone and their mother calls it the Razor Crest. This includes those who never saw that specific ship. The first alien that we see Mando bring in and the flight crew on the planet that Mando crash lands on in the episode: The Passenger both call it by name or is it class?
It's entirely possible Mando never actually named it.
Just a side note I worked at austal shipyard a while back, they build the LCS tri hull type, I wil say they cut corners on tradesmen, they regularly brought in fraudulent tradesmen, I remember a Philippino boilermaker grade 5 who did a weld so bad my brother as a first year apprentice plant mech had to fix it! That being said, the LCS in service we only trial versions and were only test ships I forget the nitty gritty but they abused them intentionally to iron out the bugs in the first few to ensure the next batch would be all good, I have no idea if they wil make more but that is what I have dug up
It is explained in the Expanded Universe why Jango and Boba Fett call this ship Slave I: amongst the many hidden features on Jango/Boba's Mandalorian armor is a remote control to which the ship is "slaved" (which contextually just means that it can be remote controlled). Since they have more than one ship, and since each of their ships has this remote-control/slave feature, therefore you have at the very least Slave I and Slave II.
Well, we sent a big pump back for refurbishment for HMAS SUCCESS refit, ordered a new pump and got the original one back un-refurbished, seems like the parts system leaves a lot to be desired, only the best of the best get to work in the warehousing system.
My understanding (acknowledging the EU is no longer canon) is that it was named Slave 1 because Jango *himself* was a slave, and this was an homage to his struggle for freedom.
So congratulations mouse. You had a tailor-made inspirational story that you could have highlighted for your villain-turned-protagonist and you FUCKED it.
Although Disney *claims* the problem they had was with the word 'Slave', I'm pretty sure it was that the number following it was too small. You just have to remember that Disney made The Song of the South.
Well they were accused of using slave labor for their Mulan movie and their response was "well most of it was filmed in New Zealand". They are just doing something easy to virtue signal.
The smaller LCS craft seems like it's just a corvette that they made pointlessly complicated.
Pretty much.
I came here for a bullet of knowledge, and I got the whole dam arsenal.
Never change.
Wow, this is a super educational episode. Looking forward to more of this, Thanks for the lesson.
Also, the moment I heard you say what you said about studying tactics vs logistic, I realized this was a channel I'd want to be subscribed to.
Mando's ship, the main character who's a Mandalorian from a show called the Mandalorian, doesn't seem to have a name either. Blue guy from episode 1 identified it as a Razorcrest, it doesn't seem to have a name any more than my annoying as hell (but its mine, you can't have it) 8 inch adjustable spanner has a name. Its a tool to get a job done and doesn't really need a name to do that.
I feel that its the same for Boba, though I would think Boba would treasure it as his fathers ship and would probably name it something kinda intimidating to create and maintain his reputation as a fearsome bounty hunter.
Y'know, considering how many times that ship was breaking down, I wouldn't be surprised if the _Razorcrest_ really was the Line Ship.
I’d like to direct y’all to Eckhart’s Ladder’s video on the slave 1 situation. It doesn’t sound like they’re actually renaming it at all, and this is all just overblown by social media.
Jango stole the Slave 1 during a job where he was going to basically start a jail break but then proceeded to blow the entire space prison to smithereens. He then renamed the ship to Slave 1 because of his past dealings as he himself had once been a slave. He used the ship to spread fear and try to make slavery less common.
USS Texas BB-35, New York class battle ship. CGN-39, Virginia class nuclear guided missle cruiser. SSN-775 Virgina class fast attack sub.
I *really* wish you had not raised this subject…
Just as we got a Solo movie, which explained every little detail of Solo’s history, despite no-one asking for it, as it was better left to the individuals’ imagination, I can now see Kathleen Kennedy planning a trilogy around why Boba’s ship is named the Firespray…. God damnit…
up side you get to see slave one blow up all other firespray's
Wonder if that’ll be a flashback or something in book of boba fett?
if we don't call it out things like this will be lost to history.
Who is gonna tell this guy about the book of boba?
Solo butchered the back story book was better nothing Disney made will ever be seen as cannon
I hear they are going to rename it now to "XianJiang Yi" (Yi is Chinese for 1)
Ah, the LCS: they built a corvette, called it a frigate, and expected it to do the job of a destroyer.
I wonder how long the monohull is going to last.
ngl though, Jango turning out to be a hipster sounds pretty on brand for him
No, this was 100% "We can't use the word Slave. Was this ship called something else?"
"Yeah, it's a Firespray-class patrol craft, but-"
"Great, the Firespray it is. Change it now."
And never again was the Marauder or the Andrasta mentioned, because those are probably also exclusively "Legends" now.
Here I was first hearing that line in the show and assuming Boba Fett had just decided to start referring to the ship by its class name, like "the corvette," in polite company, but no, of course everything is way worse than it seemed :\
Humans... the only thing more squishy is our emotions
He inherited slavec1 from jango who stole it during a prison break
Class is a bit akin to the model of a car. For instance, Under the vehicle type of "Trucks", you have the sub-class of "full size pick-up". Under that sub-type, you have model/class of the Ford F-150, Dodge Ram, etc.
That doesn't really work--the name of the class should change every time there's a major redesign. But how many major redesigns have there been for Dodge Ram?
A bit older example of a class diverging.
Imperial Japanese destroyer Special Type 1, 2 and 3. The Fubuki-class, Ayanami-class and Akatsuki-class.
Also thr Hatsuharu-class and Shiratsuyu-class are basically type 1 and 2 of their own line.
A lot of large (as in lots of ships in class, not large ships) classes have various subclasses.
Disney: Calls out fictional ship out for being called Slave 1
Also Disney: Ignoring countless atrocities committed by CCP
Was this video about the Slave I? I"m at 13 minutes and we're still ranting about the LCS.
It's a video about how Fett's Firespray is the worst LCS ever designed by the Navy, er...wait
That was the "education".
Context. It's what separates, "I don't like it therefore it's bad," from what this is; a well reasoned criticism.
Let's also not forget that certain nations (i'm mostly looking at japan here) kinda fucked up the shiptype system too (which is the main reason why i dislike the izumo class multi-puropose destroyer)
The Slave-1 is getting renamed to the Freedomly Challenged Worker-1
B before C for a Battlecruiser made sense when they were cruisers because of ease of bookeeping so you'd have all the Cruisers in one place: CB, CV, CA, CL and so on (Cruiser Battle, Cruiser Voler aka Flying in French for some reason, Cruiser Armored initially and then Heavy, Cruiser Light because they were unarmored initially)
CB is large cruiser, not battlecruiser.
Also the Voler thing is not confirmed afaik. It is just a theory. Another is that it stands for "aViation".
@@gokbay3057 rereading it and you are correct about the CB, tho arguably the Alaska class Large Cruisers were actually Battlecruiser and the USN just wanted to be different / special.. or trick congress into paying for Battlecruisers. Official Battlecruiser designation would have been CC, and BC was never used.
As for aViation... perhaps but that wouldn't make much sense when you consider that the USN used the Z designation for Airships and Blips.
But officially, for the USN, C stands for Cruiser and V for ... Heavier Than Air (craft). So no help there :D
taken from "United States Naval Aviation 1910-1995, Appendix 16: US Navy and Marine Corps Squadron Designations and Abbreviations":
"On 17 July 1920, the Secretary of the Navy prescribed a standard nomenclature for types and classes of NAVAL VESSELs, including aircraft, in which lighter-than air craft were identified by the type "Z" and heavier-than air craft by the letter "V". The reference also speculates that: "The use of the "V" designation has been a question since the 1920s. However, no conclusive evidence has been found to identify why the letter "V" was chosen. It is generally believed the "V" was in reference to the French word volplane. As a verb, the word means to glide or soar. As a noun, it described an aeronautical device sustained in the air by lifting devices (wings), as opposed to the bag of gas that the airships (denoted by "Z") used. The same case may be regarding the use of "Z". It is generally believed the "Z" was used in deference to Count Ferdinand von Zeppelin. However, documentation has not been located to verify this assumption."
So the correct answer is V in naval terms denotes Heavier Than Air because the Secretary of the Navy in 1920, Josephus Daniels, said so.
@@Palora01 Alaska class does pretty much have the same mission profile with battlecruisers as designed.
I consider them to be not battlecruisers for several reasons.
1. Alaska is not a smaller Iowa/South Dakota (thought battlecruisers actually tended to be larger than contemporary battleships, because engines require more space than guns and armour), it is a larger Baltimore. The design is not a capital ship adapted for speed over firepower and protection it is a supersized heavy cruiser. (This influences some things such as the underwater protection scheme)
2. Battlecruisers tend to use the same size guns as battleship (but often dropping a turret for speed), that was 16 inch by the time Alaskas are being ordered. At that point 12 inch was not really a capital grade weapon anymore.
(You could also technically argue that the Iowa class is the battlecruiser variant of the cancelled Montana class)
@@gokbay3057 fair enough
Bobas dad stole it which means our big bad bounty hunter is a bit sentimental.
"Holy F--k, ya'll F--k'd it the f--k up!"
That's pretty much Disney Star Wars in a nutshell.
Ah, the Indentured Contractor I.
Edging around the bush??!? I want the bush gone! Totally shaved off.
Thank you for sharing this explanation for the folks who have never been in/around navies.
15:20 that message you threw up on screen about laziness earned a like lol. All UA-camrs do it, you're the only one I've seen admit "Screw it, I could have done it over, but I didn't want to" and damn it, I appreciate the honesty. You are quickly becoming one of my favorite channels. Keep up the good work my friend
I am nothing if not honest, especially about my own failings.
i would like to remind you that all of this controversy stems of a lego set calling the set "boba fetts ship" to make it easier for parents to know which toy to buy for their kids now that the mandalorian has brought the thing back into the spotlight the ship is still called slave 1 and even if the changed the things name it ultimately would not matter as and I cannot stress this enough it's name as never once been said on screen and that trend will most likely remain intact
I doubt the class name of the ship never crossed their minds when they renamed it
Make on video about the Executor-class Star Dreadnought
I think this violates the idea talked about in the episode on sisko’s pimp hand: “thou shalt not rename a ship”
if i had the honor to name a ship it would be siskos pimp hand. doesn't matter what kind it is.
@@guillermoelnino honestly I’d be down for a new trek series that’s after ds9/voyager. And have them run across a USS Ben Sisko. 👍
Another nail in the coffin for the mouse? Seems as if the mouse is nailing his own coffin shut at this point??
Currently an LSS (Part man for submarines) and I feel that pain regarding the parts system
Disney, where all good stories go to die
Good rant. One point though - The ship was not purchased by Bobba Fett - it was obtained by Django Fett (Bobbas father/clonning donor) and it was in all actuality stolen by Django, during some other mission, and it seems it was such phase of the production, that the CLASS never got out after the "incident" during wich "all prototypes exploded" (and one quietly become Slave1). Bobba did (possibly) purchased the ship afterwards once or twice, but he already knew the ship verry well.
Its jango.
There were other firespray class pursuit ships including the Andrasta
Slave-1 is not the FIRST of its kind, it is the LAST. And its name has NOTHING TO DO WITH ITS CLASS, because it wasn't named by its builders. And 'Firespray' was ALWAYS its class, even before Disney got involved. LONG before Disney got involved.
...because it was a prototype ship the company was trying to sell to the Empire, and only six of them were made.
Jango Fett never bought it, he stole it, and immediately used it to blow up the rest while escaping a prison he infiltrated so he couldn't be pursued.
With the prototypes all destroyed, the deal fell apart between no ability to demonstrate its capabilities directly while hiding its shortcomings because they had to sell it through presentation of the plans to Imperial engineers... which earned the salesmen a slap on the back of a head and a boot out the door because the base design was AWFUL. Whereupon the little company died because all its assets were sunk into the destroyed prototypes and it NEEDED to land this contract to live.
Meanwhile, since Jango Fett escaped an Imperial Slave Labor Camp in it, which he infiltrated by posing as a PRISONER, he jokingly called it The Slave-1. Because in it, THE SLAVE WON.
Whatever its original class, it's no longer anything like it was originally designed except in shape, and has been modified like you wouldn't believe with custom armor, shields, engines, and weapons, since while it's not the best ship, Jango got attached to it, and Boba basically grew up in it so he was attached to it, too.
That was a nice Letterkenny reference, gonna have to let that one marinate
Lol yes letterkenny fan confirmed?