After doing some digging online I actually found out that Aleeah Baker Ian Fleming's wife who was responsible for creating Clove and Cassia confirmed that Clove is a Lesbian but the reason why we never saw her show any attraction to other female characters was mainly because it wasn't relevant to the plot
It's a shame we never got to see Clove find a love interest! We could've gotten some good rep eventually. (Also, I suspect the reason a lot of the later female characters were so good might've been because of Aleeah's influence, though I could be wrong.)
i always loved the idea of making the eggman impery, well a impery, it having control over places, people, and mobians lackys, the idea of making eggman a dictator that controls over a big part of the world, and controls and manipulates people is a really cool concept and to what i see the archie comics does that well
This was an awesome look into Clove and Cassia, I really like their design and character. I wish we could have seen those story plans play out for them I think it would have been cool. Thanks for another Character File, I hope we explore more Egg boss or Items and powers in the future.
One of the things I loved about the post Genesis Wave Egg Bosses was that not only were they creative with their designs but they went out of their way to really flesh them out. Really made you want to see what happened to them later on. Case in point, I would have loved to see these two in their own story arc in Universe. Maybe continue the friendly enemy encounters with the Freedom Fighters in the main series, until the eventual Eggman gets taken off the board and has to rebuild his empire again. You know the usual. 😊
Oh man I love these videos, I hope you cover more stuff from the comics like the chaos emeralds different origins or the crossovers with MegaMan or even some Archie MegaMan exclusive characters
Heh I've had some thoughts about covering the Chaos Emeralds history in Archie Sonic. Is very interesting and barely any official Sonic media gives them lore
@@eliteherodungeon5392Uh... you kinda have your backstory mixed up Shadow's backstory is that Gerald Robotnik brainwashed Shadow's memory into thinking Mira wish was to make all of humanity to pay so Gerald would have his revenge on the world all because one of the gun soldiers killed Mira and he set Shadow on the path of revenge and In order for Shadow to do that he intergrated the choes Emeralds power in mind for the canon of the space colony Ark and after finished doing all before he died Shadow did the rest where he tricked Dr. Eggman into thinking he was awakened to serve him even tho his true intentions was to destroy the world until Amy made Shadow remember what Mira true wish and her wish was for Shadow to protect humanity and after he got his memories back into place Shadow joined Sonic to defeat the bio Lizard.
In my head canon the Pronghorn Sisters do leave Robotnik and join the Freedom Fighters with Clove forming a romantic connection to Griff the Goat who says his people know how to cure Cassia
that would be a COOL idea to bring Griff into the Archie Reboot's canon, especially since he never shown up in the Archie Comics, making him one of the few Satam characters never added to the Archie Comics, but are Satam-Only characters
@@williampulfer-melville8536 yeah those guys are also missing from the Archie Comics, heck even Lazaar from the "Super Sonic" episode is missing and i can see him being a part of a magic council alongside the Naugus twins and the Oracle Of Delphius from Sonic Underground
@@andrewclark3330 yeah crazy they even made a reference to those guys especially the Oracle seeing as he was a weird-looking creature resembling a reptilian anteater that just looks out the place compared to the other Archie comics characters and the fact that other characters from Sonic Underground don't exist in the Archie comics
@@williampulfer-melville8536 yeah, only Manic, Sonia, Aleena, Sleet and Dingo exists in the Archie Comics, but they've only appeared in a One-Off story in a Super Special where Zonic tasks Sonic to help him arrest Scourge (who was still Anti Sonic at this time) as he's been sighted in the Sonic Underground universe we WERE going to get a finale to Sonic Underground as the 50th issue of Sonic Universe, but because the Penders lawsuit was taking into effect at this time, it was replaced by a story where Shard fights Metal Sonic. as for the Sonic Underground finale, we actually DID get the finale anyways, but as a fancomic from Archie Sonic Online also, Athair, Knuckles grandfather i think? is the only character from the Archie Comics to have been used in Sonic Underground where he's been given a redesign to look EXACTLY like Knuckles but with a blue robe and a staff and his connections to the Ancient Walkers and the Brotherhood Of Guardians is never brought up in the show
I have a question for MeltingMan234: are you aware of the Walkin Rom meme that originated from the Return to Treasure Island movie from 1988 and do you have any plans to cover that movie on Forgotten Media?
Yes I am aware of that meme coming from that Russian Treasure island cartoon. And I know about the English dub, but I'm more interested in watching the original Russian version with its random music video segments and stuff.... only downside is that I haven't found one with English subtitles. So idk
@@sadmouse1321 I hate to break it to you but I think the reason why he's not going to cover Sonicchu is stupidly simple, 1 he's not a character from the Archie Comics and 2 Chris Chan is a terrible person same with Ken Penders.
Yeah Maw is interesting, despite the fact that he barely had any screentime. I'll probably just put him in a vid covering some of the Egg Bosses that didn't get much screentime.
After doing some digging online I actually found out that Aleeah Baker Ian Fleming's wife who was responsible for creating Clove and Cassia confirmed that Clove is a Lesbian but the reason why we never saw her show any attraction to other female characters was mainly because it wasn't relevant to the plot
It's a shame we never got to see Clove find a love interest! We could've gotten some good rep eventually. (Also, I suspect the reason a lot of the later female characters were so good might've been because of Aleeah's influence, though I could be wrong.)
Excuse me while I go and cry in the corner over the discovery that my pronghorn waifu bats for the other team...
@minimalbstolerance8113 Get another waifu to ship her with. Or create an AU. Or enjoy both. 😉
It's Ian Flynn. Not Ian Fleming.
i always loved the idea of making the eggman impery, well a impery, it having control over places, people, and mobians lackys, the idea of making eggman a dictator that controls over a big part of the world, and controls and manipulates people is a really cool concept and to what i see the archie comics does that well
@@sadmouse1321 idk what that means but im gonna guess it means im cool
I want clove and cassia join whisper team so they Will work together for defeat eggman
This was an awesome look into Clove and Cassia, I really like their design and character. I wish we could have seen those story plans play out for them I think it would have been cool. Thanks for another Character File, I hope we explore more Egg boss or Items and powers in the future.
One of the things I loved about the post Genesis Wave Egg Bosses was that not only were they creative with their designs but they went out of their way to really flesh them out.
Really made you want to see what happened to them later on. Case in point, I would have loved to see these two in their own story arc in Universe. Maybe continue the friendly enemy encounters with the Freedom Fighters in the main series, until the eventual Eggman gets taken off the board and has to rebuild his empire again. You know the usual. 😊
I wonder are you gonna do a video about Abyss the squid? Like Maw, she got barely any screentime and she seems like an interesting character.
You've got to cover the Downunda Freedom Fighters
Oh man I love these videos, I hope you cover more stuff from the comics like the chaos emeralds different origins or the crossovers with MegaMan or even some Archie MegaMan exclusive characters
Heh I've had some thoughts about covering the Chaos Emeralds history in Archie Sonic. Is very interesting and barely any official Sonic media gives them lore
Until Sonic Frontiers was released anyway.
You’ve gotta do one for Conquering Storm (AKA Connie)
Can't wait to see the rest of the egg bosses
@@sadmouse1321 Also nether of them are in IDW
@@sadmouse1321 I never said that
Wonderful video Meltingman.
@@sadmouse1321 Heck Yeah I am! I'm his biggest fan.
@@sadmouse1321 Of course where is it.
There my favourite of the egg bosses I also really like Nephthys Maw and Thunderbolt
I think Clove should be voiced by Erika Luttrel in a Sonic Cartoon
among all the " background characters" these 2 are the bests
I really hope clove and cassia return on Sonic IDW also i really hope tails x cassia happen
@Elite Hero Dungeon Why on earth you want Tails x Cassia?
Cassia is evil and works for Eggman, and Tails hate Eggman and his allies.
@@omarmendez0402 she is not bad dude
@@omarmendez0402 tell shadow he is evil right? He also want rule universe with chaos emerald
@@eliteherodungeon5392Uh... you kinda have your backstory mixed up Shadow's backstory is that Gerald Robotnik brainwashed Shadow's memory into thinking Mira wish was to make all of humanity to pay so Gerald would have his revenge on the world all because one of the gun soldiers killed Mira and he set Shadow on the path of revenge and In order for Shadow to do that he intergrated the choes Emeralds power in mind for the canon of the space colony Ark and after finished doing all before he died Shadow did the rest where he tricked Dr. Eggman into thinking he was awakened to serve him even tho his true intentions was to destroy the world until Amy made Shadow remember what Mira true wish and her wish was for Shadow to protect humanity and after he got his memories back into place Shadow joined Sonic to defeat the bio Lizard.
@@Sargentsnakeeyesyep dude he is anti-hero
Do one on leeta and lyco wolf. 😀👍🐺
@@sadmouse1321 cool. 😀👍🐺
@@sadmouse1321 I didn't say Leeta and Lyco are next. They'll get their episode eventually
Very educational
In my head canon the Pronghorn Sisters do leave Robotnik and join the Freedom Fighters with Clove forming a romantic connection to Griff the Goat who says his people know how to cure Cassia
that would be a COOL idea to bring Griff into the Archie Reboot's canon, especially since he never shown up in the Archie Comics, making him one of the few Satam characters never added to the Archie Comics, but are Satam-Only characters
@@andrewclark3330 yes another being Ari the Ram Polo the Bear and Dirk the Rhino
@@williampulfer-melville8536 yeah those guys are also missing from the Archie Comics, heck even Lazaar from the "Super Sonic" episode is missing and i can see him being a part of a magic council alongside the Naugus twins and the Oracle Of Delphius from Sonic Underground
@@andrewclark3330 yeah crazy they even made a reference to those guys especially the Oracle seeing as he was a weird-looking creature resembling a reptilian anteater that just looks out the place compared to the other Archie comics characters and the fact that other characters from Sonic Underground don't exist in the Archie comics
@@williampulfer-melville8536 yeah, only Manic, Sonia, Aleena, Sleet and Dingo exists in the Archie Comics, but they've only appeared in a One-Off story in a Super Special where Zonic tasks Sonic to help him arrest Scourge (who was still Anti Sonic at this time) as he's been sighted in the Sonic Underground universe
we WERE going to get a finale to Sonic Underground as the 50th issue of Sonic Universe, but because the Penders lawsuit was taking into effect at this time, it was replaced by a story where Shard fights Metal Sonic. as for the Sonic Underground finale, we actually DID get the finale anyways, but as a fancomic from Archie Sonic Online
also, Athair, Knuckles grandfather i think? is the only character from the Archie Comics to have been used in Sonic Underground where he's been given a redesign to look EXACTLY like Knuckles but with a blue robe and a staff and his connections to the Ancient Walkers and the Brotherhood Of Guardians is never brought up in the show
Nice
While the Comic’s Post-Crossover Reboot wasn’t that Good, it still had it’s charm, and advantages to the Games, and this, is one of them.
I have a question for MeltingMan234: are you aware of the Walkin Rom meme that originated from the Return to Treasure Island movie from 1988 and do you have any plans to cover that movie on Forgotten Media?
Yes I am aware of that meme coming from that Russian Treasure island cartoon. And I know about the English dub, but I'm more interested in watching the original Russian version with its random music video segments and stuff.... only downside is that I haven't found one with English subtitles. So idk
@@MeltingMan234 Well good luck with finding a version of the dub with subtitles and I like your videos.
@@sadmouse1321 you could say I guess.
@@sadmouse1321 Never
@@sadmouse1321 I hate to break it to you but I think the reason why he's not going to cover Sonicchu is stupidly simple, 1 he's not a character from the Archie Comics and 2 Chris Chan is a terrible person same with Ken Penders.
I want know how Ian flynn and aleah baker how to implement and add clove and cassia on Sonic IDW???
Another Eggboss you've got to cover is Maw the Thylacine as he is an interesting character in terms of both characterization and species
Yeah Maw is interesting, despite the fact that he barely had any screentime. I'll probably just put him in a vid covering some of the Egg Bosses that didn't get much screentime.
@@MeltingMan234 ok i just think is interesting since Thylacines as of now are extinct and yet apparently thats not the case on Mobius
@@MeltingMan234 Yeah, from what I heard in Ian's Podcast, he was gonna play a very big role in Zombot virus arc (If Comic did not get cancelled)
Here's a fun fact about Clove (the taller one): she was intended to be a lesbian