Conquest of India - The Empty Chair - Extra History - Part 5
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Cawnpore, India July, 1857. We've been here before, another small British garrison is under siege but this is where our story comes to a head. The EIC, now under "new management" seeks to add India to its "Age of Reform". Scrubbing away the last vestiges of the Mughal Empire and paving the way for "British Civilization".
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Part Two - East India Companies - • Conquest of India - Ea...
Part Three - The Black Hole - • Conquest of India - Th...
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Please no more armchair gig
It’s so annoying and makes the show seem like it’s talking down to its viewership
Could u do a video on Anglo nepalese war
I want the armchair to be in another series like for example something about Afghanistan
what if you're not american? :(
my search goes on, then
It's surprising that you did not mention the marathas who were the only powerful empire left while the mughals were just reduced to Delhi...
Seems like your records are based on your prejudiced ancestors.😠
Loved the series, but I think that jumping from the Battle of Plassey of 1757 directly into the Indian Revolution of 1857, an exact 100-year jump, was too much. There should have been one or two more videos in between 4th and 5th.
They have to do the entire series in 5 or 6 episodes so they have to cut a few things. Lies usually corrects this. Its not easy making a video
@@mariustan9275 that’s still no excuse they literally miss the British taking India lol
They have to cover centuries worth of information in a max 10 min video so cut them some slack.
They could have added and additional episode, this fast forward really badly
Yeah I agree, this kind of reinforces the myth that India went directly from Mughal to British rule, while that is completely untrue
Less animated armchair, more pun hating murder cat on a war elephant.
But an excellent series nonetheless
The correct amount of time those mascots should appear on screen should be 0 seconds.
Yeah, honestly, I hate that Armchair and the cat and those asides. They add nothing and are frankly annoying.
Having the cat as an ongoing visual gag/mascot like say Walpol? Sure. That'd be fine. But as practically a cohost? For the love of god no.
But I like zoey
the chair hits too close for home eh?
where was Zoey this episode anyway?
This was a fascinating series. But, no disrespect, I could go without more Army. Though I do respect the risk of trying a new character. Can't wait for the next series!
The point of army is to clear out common misconceptions.
@@turdferguson3400 Yes, but that could be done much less annoyingly.
@@turdferguson3400 if only there was a lies episode where they could talk about things and add more context
@@andreasbuehler1821 actually I’d say it’s pretty accurate
@@Deadknight237 accurate? Maybe. Helpful? Not
Lesson: Never neglect social studies, geography, geopolitics, cultural studies when you want to conquer, rule, or make an empire.
Or just kill them all. The dead can't advocate for their liberation after all.
Dont forget to march into Russia
@@vaterchennurgel8095 in winter
And people say those classes are worthless.
I wish you have seen or go through same( 0.01) pain and suffering as indian during British rule/raj then you will know British saw indian as slave , pig, human source to be used in war or to make goods /product
in exchange for next to nothing , if you read in British amry record you will see countless indian die to starvation man made famine etc because of British rule
Maybe a "sequel series" on the Indian Independence Movement, and how it's much bigger and more complicated than Gandhi and his Pacifistic approach - too few in the West have ever heard of Bhagat Singh.
True
*Cough cough* shubash chandra bose. One of the most morally gray and interesting characters irl imo.
@@reubennelson4086 its very interesting to hear of subhash chandra bose from a western(allied) perspective and how because of that particular reason he has been painted as morally devient, while in india particularly in recent times of heightened nationalism, he is seen to be the ultimate representation of patriotism and love for the motherland, going to the extent of even taking support from the axis. i do have some reservations on his means but his ends are certainly justified!
@@ayush1ism netaji amar rahe
@@ayush1ism he has always been considered a hero, even before the heightened nationalism.
I was really hoping for Zoey to have her War elephant...
maybe she could show up in lies
British did not actually use pig and cow fat for their shot. It was a rumor started by local leaders because the British lowered their salary.
The paper was waxed, but many troops’ apprehensions weren’t treated with respect
The British did use animal fats for their own cartridges, though they quickly moved to stop any such cartridges being supplied to Sepoy units to avoid the exact sort of rumor that started. But, the overall point (which the episode makes) is that the rebellion wasn't really about the cartridges, in the same way that World War I wasn't really about Franz Ferdinand. In each case, the initiating event was simply the spark that allowed many other bigger, long-simmering issues to suddenly boil over.
Lol
in fact, i read that they had actually used bees wax!
I can believe that.
Please don't bring back the arm chair, I've missed many things of the past from this channels inception, but I will never miss his appearances
I actually second this. I find the character annoying. Sorry.
does anyone notice that the cat is gone? Did the cat pass away if so I am so sorry
yea deffinitely can do without
@@0812EL let's not jump to conclusions here, it's just weird to shoehorn Zoey into every episode.
@@Juan94766 yeah I'd miss Zoey
No mention of the key role the Sikhs and Nepalese played in putting down the 1857 rebellion? The most recently defeated powers on the subcontinent were also the most loyal to the British, since there was mutual respect between them and little sentiment towards Hindu or Muslim Indian nationalism. To the end, the British East India Company practiced good diplomacy.
Indeed, also one of my critricism
Well we can talk about showing different histories, but EC would never actually show history that goes against their narrative.
Wrong analysis, Sikhs supported British coz they were completely against the revival of Mughal Empire as their Sikh Gurus were beheaded by earlier Mughal Emperors.
On the contrary Muslims and Hindus sided with the Mughal Emperor to save their religion from extremist missionary activities.
No one had any respect for EIC they were lesser of the two evils, that's why they got support from Sikhs as well as Gurkhas.
Non Brits might also not be aware that the Nepalese soldiers, known as Gurkas, are still an important and extremely well respected part of the British army.
@@s.dwivedi6830 your analysis along with OP's are both factors that worked in tandem. A political/societal group could have multiple reasons and imcentives to pursue a course of action.
This whole series has made me want to see a series on the Indian independence movement. Will you please consider one? Love your channel!
Lerxt you can find that in a Bollywood TV Show named "1857 Kranti" by Sanjay Khan
@@soumendramajumder13 I'll have to check that out! Thanks bro!
Great series, no to Army. The chair was annoying and unnecessary and unfunny.
As Indians we learn a lot about theses events in school for many years, however there's no comprehensive and such properly presented work anywhere.
Really awesome,
Would really appreciate that the freedom struggle of India , which is never discussed in western history education would be a great topic to cover
Bhai acche videos banana. Stop making crap
I'd like to see that too
Please never bring the chair back
👍
Show some respect, his name is Armie
Neat series, but please take “Army” out back…
6:46 I don't think I'd say "throw off" moreso "After two world wars and clamor for independence, England gave in and let them go"
After everything's said and done, I still feel like the lack of internal cohesion within the Mughal empire was ONE MAJOR factor for their eventual downfall.
It’s a pretty consistent theme in history, coordinated efforts & clarity of cause wear down & overcome the political power of divided forces.
That's pretty common. Throughout the history of colonialism, you'll pretty frequently find that an area has a ruling group and some other groups who hate them and are willing to fight before any outsiders show up. Cortez in Mexico is probably the best example - he brought down the Aztecs with 500 Spaniards because he also had 20,000 anti-Aztec Indians backing him up. (And smallpox.)
Lack of competent leaders led to fall and wars etc
@@michaelramon2411
What were 20,000 Indians doing in Mexico???
So India's existence is pretty much down to the British Empire, and in turn making a very interesting country with so many cultures, all without starting a war. Pretty impressive and unique situation!
Great series; please, never bring Armie the Arm Chair back.
BRING ARMIE BACK TO EXTRA HISTORY, PLEASE!
I imagine Army, during the last minute of the video, slowly realizing that today, as a concept, he dies
I wouldn't mind if Army got executed by Cannon along with his potential successors.
Beautifully articulated, I concur.
no
Great series, but would've liked to have seen more on their actual conquest of india and perhaps the wars with the individual indian states and the paradoxes of those.
Please, I beg of you. Lock army in the cellar and throw away the key.
Great series guys! I can respect you trying new things with the armchair character, but maybe you’re just not there yet
The British did offer to let the sepoys grease their own cartridges but this was seen as confirming the rumors about them using pig/cow fat
This was a good series, but frankly I felt the armchair narrative device was a little condescending towards the viewership. We can understand things like historical paradox and contingency without being talked down to. Very good series otherwise.
100% agree
Agreed, there's several books (William Alrymple's 'The Anarchy: the relentless rise of the east india company' as one example) who cover the period in much more detail and without the...armchair approach.
Agreed 💯
With how the channel is going recently, it's no surprise they'd take that tone.
@@addisonwelsh what do you mean by that?
Good series except for the armchair
The novels of The Raj Quartet and Staying On, both by Paul Scott, are great glimpses into the end of the British Raj
You should do a series on karl marx
Great series! Keep 'em comin'!
Ideas for EC History:
1) The Lincoln Assassination (complete with the kidnapping plot, the manhunt, and, of course, JWB's conspirators and the military trial that followed in the aftermath).
2) The Time of Troubles (complete with the Romanovs coming into power).
3) Peter the Great (a series was done on Catherine; we need to know about Peter, too).
4) The French Revolution.
5) Empress Maria Theresa of Austria.
6) A mini-video about a little-known failed assassination attempt known as the Ōtsu Incident.
Ideas for EC Literature:
1) Les Miserables.
2) War and Peace.
3) Macbeth.
4) Hamlet.
5) The Divine Comedy.
6) Canterbury Tales.
Wow
@@abhijeetashiya8856 What can I say? I love history and literature!
@@M.E.ANDHistory I hope ec reads this and work on these projects or at least some of them
@@abhijeetashiya8856 Here's hoping! 🤞
Please do the Takeda Shingen series that you promised so long ago next.
I also remember them wanting to do Zenobia.
Frankly, I'm surprised that the Sepoy Rebellion of 1857 wasn't more successful. Again, the British were waaaaaaaay outnumbered by the native Indians. Only a few years after 1857, the British were trying to take over China in the Second Opium War, but the Chinese held firm, were very united and expelled the British and French armies back to the coastal treaty ports in China. So again: divide and conquer really won the day for the British. The Brits were experts at getting Indians divided and not united. So when the Sepoys rebelled, there were few princes in Oudh (modern Uttar Pradesh) and other regions that were willing to support the rebellion. Most Indian princes, nicely bribed by vast British taxpayer funds, stayed put and did not bring their armies to bear against the British. The Brits thus isolated the rebels and crushed them, knowing full well the rest of India was fine with this outcome.
The British literally invented the Marshall races as a way to keep Indians divided
The Chinese didn't hold firm whatsoever , but rest is correct.
...divide and rule...
...works always...! :-(
Divide and rule is very effective with Indians. Even today!
The division was always present in india. Most of the soilders on British payrome were indian. Most princely states fought for personal reasons, e.g: the doctrine of lapse, which would diminish their power. Heck, many wars that the British fought were due to invitations by indian claimants for some throne, e.g: the anglo maratha war. Indian was never a country to begin with, but a continent masquerading as a country. The one thing definitively given by the British to India is modern day nationalism that is prevalent in the place. The British conquest of India is a real life example of two mens quarel third mans gain.
I was never taught about the mughal empire! The movies always made me assume the british conquered the indians by having more resources and technology, this has been very enlightening, THANKS.
Would love to see a series on the Partition of the British Raj later on, great series!
Yes
As an Indian we were never taught about how the mutineers murdered the wives & children of the British soldiers.
Thanks you guys!
Haven't you read history.
We were always taught this......they soldiers didn't directly kill them but they were supposed to cross a river.There a mob spotted them and killed them.This greatly angered the british and made them hungry for revenge.
The thing is that your education system has political goals (just like every other education system). Which parts of history you tell and which you skip over is massively important.
@@ANKITSINGH-im8kd If you'd seen the state of Indian history education...
It's a war, what do you expect? people are obviously going to slaughter and kill civilians, this sort of stuff happened all the time back in the day.
OMG i love the curse of Strahd reference at the end there
Glad somebody else caught this too!
This series is so informative! Thank you!
I find the Armi character very condescending
I have to say, I'm glad I'm not the only one who dislikes the armchair. In general I don't think this channel needs sidekicks or even a lot of jokes
lighten up a little, its youtube not a university speaker hall.
Extra History ideas for future videos.
The Hippie Trail
The Siege of Kaaba
The Teapot Dome Scandal
The Discovery of Victoria Falls
The Pol Plot
The Siege of Sarajevo
The Yarmuk Negotiation.
The Invasion of Crimea.
The Kiev of Russ.
They will not do a video on Crimea
@@prathamsaxena9503 it's too recent i assume?
The siege of kaaba is pivotal to middle east
They did a video on the kieven russ, although admittedly 1 video as part of a longer series
Liked the series, didn’t like the armchair
I opened this video and got an ad that said "are you a trader?" With the British flag flying in the background. Pretty much sums up the story.
Thank you for the series on the Conquest of India. It was very good.
A lovely series, as always: entertaining and educational! I'm eager for the "Lies" episode!
This is the best history series to understand the topic. All of the other ones I have seen have left me with nuances.
Thanks for this, going through this in school rn. It’s helped a lot
very nice info about Indian History! really... but the "armchair joke" is not fun. Please no more of this character...
He was fine
Is this really the end? I feel like there is so much more about this subject
So happy this came out...it’s been a long week ok!?
I was hoping that the episode would drop today!
No more armchair, thanks!
Saying that a rebellion in 1857 was about getting rid of cultural imperialism and racial inequality sounds like a bit of a simplification, no? Who were the leaders? What were their interests? Its really great to deconstruct the "british conquest" of India but that shouldn't then translate into any form or idealisation of those who opposed the british.
Anyone else spending part of their holiday break binge watching a TON of episodes of Extra History?
The EIC had told the Mughal Emporer (Bahadur Shah Zafar II)that once he dies the ruling dynasty ends do you think that making Queen Victoria "Empress of India" was planned from the beginning and that deposing him in 1857 helped also knowing she wasn't crowned until 15 years of his death ?
Love your videos
I'm a little disappointed in the fact that Punjab and Sikhs were barely mentioned. Great series overall.
This is an Interesting perspective of the colonization of India.
I recently finished my Masters thesis on the Orientalist-Anglicist debate over the language and literature of Indian public education. Glad to see this series!
Is there really a debate over it? Indians have to adopt English for business and trade opportunities. Meanwhile we have to learn our local languages too to tie us into our identity and culture.
V.o.c next??
This was really great
this is such a good series :) enjoyed this one
edit: i’m looking forward to more south asian subjects in the future!!
Hope you guys follow up eventually with a series about the journey to Indian Independence
Do a series a second opium war and the Bengal famine and you'll have a pretty complete saga of British imperialism in Asia on the books.
I didn't knew about the massacre of 200 women and children. It's not taught in history.
“If Mughals maintained power, there would still be mistakes, but Indian mistakes to make!” … You know that they’re a foreign Invading empire too, right?
Yeah they're going way too far there. And seriously the idea that a Delhi based government could possibly be considered to be "local" in a country the size of India is beyond ridiculous. It's easy to point to the harm British rule caused to India, but the alternatives were never going to turn India into Utopia. They are just different grades of bad.
Which intermingled with populace and the emperor stayed in Agra and then Delhi and married Indian princesses. They were indianised.. And not the other way around. The British did everything in the opposite way.
@@xJavelin1 , couldn't say anything. The Marathas had the largest area. They could have established independent Indian rule.
@@ritikshaw5868 How could that be possible in a landmass with perhaps the most diversity in terms of cultures? Wtf does "indianised" even mean in this context? They still practiced a foreign religion and kept a form of government that came with their ancestors. It's like saying that the Kievan Rus were all Greek-fied because they adopted Orthodox Christianity and some married Byzantine princesses. These things were done to prop up their power and legitimacy, that's all.
@@GoDLiKeKakashi they indianised because theirs a theme of Indianness despite the diversity which can be easily identified. True they were Persianised before that but when they came they culture got influenced by the Indians which can be seen in their architecture which is a mix of Indian and persian styles. And from Akbars reign they tried seeing themselves more Indian then outsiders. The sultans of Delhi were a different breed though.
A fascinating story of conquest.
Okay, but was the "Red Dragon Crush" label on the wine bottle in the ad a low-key shout-out to the episode topic, because that D&D wine specifically was created in module B7 _Rahasia,_ which applied a (very thin) gloss of Indian-inspired details to the elven culture in the adventure?
Should have mentioned the Deccan famine and Na ankh famine.
Great series, we will be waiting for you to return to India.
Fascinating!
Done done. That was well done.
So fascinating to see a video about your own city on top of that at start of the video (cawnpore now rebamed as Kanpur)not even my country, MY VERY OWN CITY !!!!!!!😀😀😀😀😎😎😎😎👍👍😣😣😣❤️❤️❤️❤️😄😘😘😂
Funny thing is the Mughal whom British did overthrown was just another foreign invader who managed to conquered most of India
But they became Indian. Much different from those who looted the subcontinent and made their own lands richer
@@03.achyuthans39 yeah, Akbar and his successors can be considered as Indian.
I find the Armchair really patronising and a misstep for ExtraHistory.
Exactly, it's childish
(but a nice try)
Same
Not really surprising with the way the channel has been going recently.
@@addisonwelsh they should make the rise and fall of their channel
Comparing the British Government to the EIC gives you that feeling of "no wait you weren't supposed to do that" but x100
Laughing at Micheal the Drunkard during the Bright Cellars ad read, lol
4:45 -Though undoubtedly barbaric, this was actually a pretty common punishment used by the Mughals.
This series ignored a lot of atrocities committed by the British. Especially by the British tax collectors in the countryside.
No
Amazing 👏👏👏👏
Do a Independence of India Series as well
Love you guys and your work but could personally do without armie anymore
I still don't understand what was the empty chair they refer to in the title of episode? I thought it referred to the Indian Thorne of the mugol's been empty
3:13 it's the cutest sundae ever!
But... the Mughals weren't Indian *either*
India was already under the yolk. The Mughals were themselves a foreign power
It's not as weird as Egypt; which was basically under foreign rule for literal millellia, but yeah...
True yet the Mughals for the most part were relatively competent rules that respected the many cultures and religions of India compared to the British who were basically as they said absentee landlords
Meghals lived in India, and died in India, and didn't take the resources out of the country.
Maybe originally, yet by the end to call them not Indian would have been foolish (or even by Shah Jahan, who had a Rajput mother and grandmother!). The last Emperor Bahadur Shah Zafar II had several photos taken of him at the end and of his sons, and you could not mistake him for being Persian or even a Turk! Just look on the wiki page for the mothers of the Mughal Emperors, there are more Indians on the list than Persians or Turks! And the last six Empresses were Hindu!
Seems to be a modern Indian narrative that the Mughals were not Indian. If that's the case, the Taj Mahal is not an Indian cultural landmark.
Who tf were Mughals, if they wasn’t Indian? As the dude said, they lived in India, died in India.
I feel like this episode messier than other of their series
Please do an extra history series on the permian- Triassic extinction a.k.a. the great dying it could be a special called “extra prehistory”.
One thing I don't like about this series is that you kind of just bundle all Indians together like they were some unified culture, which wasn't true in the slightest; not only is there massive cultural diversity, there is also racial disparity between native Indians and Aryans. There was no "Paradox" that happened. What happened was an outside power that moved in and took advantage of divisions and cracks within the sub-continent to expand their personal powerbase, and just happened to take the whole prize.
There are no racial disparities in Indian community for sure. There is only colourism in typical beauty standards which is a result of post-colonial inferiority complex.
However, India is a cosmopolis since pre-historic era. That's why Sumerian elamites, Aryans, Iranians and Austric people intermingled for many centuries. We have a collective & tightly knit gene-pool, ethnicity, cultural and philosophical heritage.
Didn't the British use their "Aryan" ancestry to try to win over at least the northern Indians? Divide and conquer...
That has no historical or demographic basis. Even North Indians have significant admixture from the South and Central Asia, and vice versa. There was no "Aryan" race that existed in India, at least in the past thousand years.
Something says that you are not Indian.
"there is also racial disparity between native Indians and Aryans."
What exactly do you mean by that? While there were significant differences between the cultures in the subcontinent, by the time the British arrived there were no "Pure Aryans", and race is a social construct anyway, there is really no such thing as "race" anyway. Ethnic, religious. Linguistic and caste-based differences existed.
I miss when this series was more like story telling with history and not attempting a new concept every series.
Same, less of a bias thing and more of like you said, a story.
Army was a great idea, but im not sure this is the iteration you're looking for. Thanks to everyone for the amazing content :)
@extracredits the Sepoy Mutiny started in Barrackpore, Bengal by Sepoy Mangal Pandey, then moved to Cawnpore, under the leadership of Nana Saheb Peshwa and Rani Lakshmibai.
i have a suggestion you can make on vid to how to code a game (i dont mean the tips that you did 4-5 years ago)
Juxtaposing the British rule of India with the Mughals is a bit misleading, as the Mughals were themselves foreign conquerors for most Indians. While some emperors were tolerant, others, like Aurangzeb, were pretty opressive.
After Akbar they were Indians anyway.
Extra Credits couldn’t handle my undivided attention.
Michael the Drunkard cameo at 8:33
Do extra history on the Khmer Empire
@Extra Credits
You need the 'Elephant in the Room' animation like the Arm Chair animation for future videos ;D!
this series was really good except for the constant contempt for/belittling of your audience through Army
My favorite part is how nobody spent 10 seconds to check the definition of "paradox".
For anyone wondering, George V and Queen Mary did actually attend their Durbar in person, but that would be the last. Edward VIII abdicated before one could even be planned, while George VI’s was shelved due to balking at the expenditure by both the Raj and the British government and the quickly approaching Second World War. George VI would forgo the title of Emperor of India in June 1948, remaining King of India until 1950, while Elizabeth II would remain Queen of Pakistan until 1956.
Honestly, i wish instead of this you would've done multiple series like "Rebellion of 1857", "Anglo-maratha wars" (separate series for each one), "Anglo-mysore wars" (separate series for each one) and "Anglo-sikh wars" (separate series for each one).
*Does anyone know* where I can find the video intro where he is reading off a script to advertise the channel
then he finds out the script was edited by Zoey 'to give Zoey more treats?'
Commercials for alcohol consumption are inappropriate for this channel.
Thankyou for another memorable serie.