It's a technically poor technique that solves one thing (rotation) and creates a bigger problem in the landing phase. If it was legal, eventually it would just go away because it's not as efficient as the other methods.
_My method is better... and it makes 100% sense whichever way you look at it._ *WE DON'T WANT YOU OR ANYONE ELSE TO DO IT THAT WAY.* _Why not?_ *BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN DONE THE OTHER WAY.*
A friend in high school kind of did this, but a judo roll, at a school athletics day. He came second after a guy who actually competed in long jumping and track and field. However he fractured his clavicle landing on his shoulder.
This being forbidden for safety puts in perspective how insanely far we're going with extreme sports. For instance, this very same move is done on a daily basis on parkour/freerunning but over concrete and sometimes over deadly vertical and horizontal gaps
For sure at least partially true. But I don't think this rules were bad intended, probably it seem stupid now precisely because the way we see risk have evolved AF, as well as all kinds of medical treatments are now super advanced
@@Blitz_maniac well it depends on at what point of the flip the athletes fall/fail, a belly flop for example (very early fail) would be more humiliating than harming though the risk of eating dirt is pretty high, likewise a late fail would most likely have you fall on your butt, and again, more humiliating than harming, though this one might actually be quite painful, depends on who you're asking. The harm of falling on your neck with all that momentum is low, and landing on your back which with a bad landing technique could break something is mitigated by a good landing technique, like keeping with the roll instead of trying to fight it and getting whiplashed/slammed against the ground, and what do you know, with this jumping technique you are already going with the roll so might as well just keep going if you feel like you're going to fail your jump.
@@Blitz_maniac people cliff dive. When the technique is safe when properly executed, and you're talking about people at the highest level, the argument of safety is nonsense.
@@Blitz_maniac That could be said of most sports so it comes down to good training before using it in competition - maybe soft landing materials or water whilst developing the technique.
In high school, I was using my own "Cannon ball" method. To prevent my legs from touching the ground by reflexive extension, I just tucked them in and held on til the last second. Was it the safest method? No, but I gained about an extra foot or so which is several medal positions.
I did this as well but my coach forced me to change by doing the hang. To this day, I dislike that I changed it cuz it never improved my distance. My PR was still the cannonball method.
From a physics standpoint, I always thought this made the most sense to maximize a long jumpers distance. They should start off by making this an exhibition category of track and field as a trial. Aside from some possible head gear the jump should be no more dangerous than pole vaulting.
From a physics standpoint, it makes less sense. The reason it makes less sense is that long jump distance is a function of the parabola of the center of gravity. I leave it to you to deduce it from here.
@@charlietian4023 What "point" are you attempting to make? You have never read one single journal article on the biomechanics of long jump. If you did, you would know that COG height off of the board is a key variable. You have no idea what this means. Also, the optimal angular displacement of the trunk segment when is ZERO. Do you know what this means? Hint: it DOESN"T mean rotating forward is good.
Thanks for the footage of this mythical LJ technique. I heard about and saw films of the backflip high jumping technique in the 60s but never saw any footage of the LJ flip technique. Legalizing the technique would make the event far more exciting visually for the spectators. Thanks again.
The technique is stupid. It also would not result in longer jumps. Does the long jump need to be "more exciting visually" at the expense of performance and safety? Sure, and "javelin catching" would be a great idea, too.
@@adrianriverapr6288 All head-forward activities are inherently dangerous. Spend a month in an ER. Every ER doctor will tell you the same thing: never do anything headfirst (dives, slides, football tackes, etc.) But forgetting the obvious danger, there is zero biomechanical advantage despite Tuariki's ideas about it.
I'm old enough to remember back in the 70s when some guys were experimenting with this, and the physics behind it made immediate sense to me. I always wondered why it didn't become a more popular technique... never realized it was actually banned.
I knew a parkour athlete who did long front flips, I never measured them. My brother was a solid long jumper and he couldn’t get close to the distance this guy was flipping.
As an avid Track & Field competitor of the 1970's, we experimented with a lot of 'technical and physiological' improvements. I was a pole vaulter who benefited from the advent of the fiberglass pole and as a high jumper we favored the relatively 'new' Fosbury flop. The forward flip long jump was unusual but not outlawed at the time. We experimented with these fairly unique techniques of human form including the Oldfield spin in the shot put. To us, the long jump forward flip rotation was no different than the backwards leap in the high jump. Yes, officials would ban some of these techniques during competition, but to the athletes, these 'bans' made little sense because you've no individual advantage, as you're relying on raw ability not equipment. (Pole vault the exception) As a nationally ranked decathlon competitor I actively participated in many of these forms and techniques and I can honestly say - the 'flip' long jump made the most impact improving many of our best efforts by almost 2 feet. Considering a good H.S. long jump at the time to be 24 feet, exceling another 2 feet to over 26 feet was national top ranking. The inconsistent banning of techniques in Track & Field shares no proclivity to physical reasoning.
I'd heard of this and the quick ban on it, but did not know that it was actually viable. The sample size and testimonial based evidence isn't good enough for me to believe it yet, but that is moot. This technique is a dangerous for youths, and that is enough justification for me. There really isn't a way to have it legal at the elite levels and banned for novices. In this case we have come to our senses before the paraplegics and deaths happen. More recently, the handspring shot put has also been banned before it got past the UA-cam video stage. I highly doubt it would increase distances. I've quit following the sport as much after 25 years of competing in Masters and officiating NCAA,. But there has been a huge decline in shot putters using the spin technique at all levels, I believe. My vote for the stupidest rule in sport is the one that says the high jumper has to take off on one foot. If we allow you to land backwards on your head, then you can't cite safety. I'd like to know how high a human can jump unaided. Period.
@@twelvefootboy For years this same unreasonable hysteria surrounded many advancements in track field events - the advent of the fiberglass pole vault and the backwards Fosbury flop - all considered to be 'dangerous' for youths. Is 'fear' really justification for controlling limitations of sport? Todays 'extreme' sports practiced by youth are far, far more advanced technologically and risky. Thankfully Dick Fosbury flop high jump routine capable of landing backwards on your head became the most influential technique in the history of track and field. Todays fiberglass pole vault has excelled into its own extreme sport of kind, including girls who are 'fearless' athletes pushing the limitations of amazing gymnastic form.
That's one of the points they make. It goes with the person's momentum instead of against it. Athletics is too image conscious to really accept innovation. I'm surprised they didn't ban the flop for the highjump.
@@bkmeahanDoing a flip is all and well, up until the point that they go way overboard and land face first instead of foot first. This is considering that modern athletes are much faster and jump much higher.
this does seem more natural and organic. i always feel stressed out watching long jump when they touch the sand anywhere behind where their feet land, but it seems inevitable. it looks like if you time that flip perfectly you could just have enough momentum to fall forward, which would be highly satisfying to watch at least
@@UA-camTookMyNickname.WhyNot I actually would have got the world record but in the end wasn't eligible because I sprayed my athlete with chemical pesticide.
Here in South Africa in the 80s we had a guy who did somersaults, flip flops when high jumping. Like a gymnast. This technique was banned, and I unfortunately cannot remember how high he jumped. Roy b, Cape Town. South Africa.
I knew a PE teacher who messed up his back and had to be carried out by the students to an ambulance, not sure if he was using this technique but probably something like it. Way too dangerous.
Thanks for this video. I was always wondering why the professionals don’t use other technics to beat the world records. For example you can do handspring as run-up to jump higher than the current world record.
When Dick Fosbury came up with the "Fosbury Flop it was not made illegal. He was considered a genius. It changed the High Jump forever and is still the technique used by just about everyone today. It's funny how one innovation is accepted and praised, yet another innovation is banned. The goal is to Looooonnnggg Jump, there should be no limitation on the style used by a competitor.
Difference with the high jump and long jump is in the high jump you have a big soft mat to cushion you when you land. In the old days the high jump used just a sandpit like the long jump to cushion the fall. As you can imagine the Fosbury flop technique would have been potentially fatal in the days of using sandpits to cushion the fall. The forward flip technique in long jump is just too dangerous, if you get it wrong you risk serious injury, the only way they could allow the forward flip to be allowed is if the long jump incorporated a soft mat landing, like the high jump does, and if they done this, then how do you measure the distance?
@@shellsbignumber2 I understand what you're saying but the time that flip was used in the long jump, no one was injured. If someone is willing to take a chance, that should be left up to the participant. They could always increase the length of the sand pit for the long jump and make it much deeper so that the landing would be much more cushioned.
Long JUMP yes! To me a somersault is not a jump. It's an added acrobatic move that belongs to gymnastics. And addition to something that already is a jump. And they are really strict on form when it comes both of the vertical jumps too. A rule that I really find curious is for the triple jump where they have to land on the same foot for the second jump. Why? Why not three jumps/steps with alternating landings?
In the late forties or early fifties, a gymnast challenged the high jump world record by downing a run to round off and two legged takeoff. His flip over the bar was well over 6’6” at that time. It was banned and a single leg takeoff was required. He later did another attempt with the same approach but used a single leg, again flipping over the bar. The rule was then change to only a run up and no flipping action. In the late sixties, the “Fosbury Flop” was invented, and the western roll was extinguished within five years.
With two feet, it would still take the record today. I think they don't want gymnasts taking over the sport. All of these events - long jump, high jump, discus, javelin, shot put, pole vault - should have the obvious simple rules, without all these restrictions on form or how many hands or feet you can use. I don't care if it would make them "ugly" and more dangerous - they would be a lot more entertaining.
I am not shocked!!! 15 years ago, in the army( military service,compulsory) ,a villager boy always jumped 5,5meters with this technic , also carrying G3A4 Rifle( not athlete, but very strong). Our commander always grumbled that boy was not human.
It’s not the athletes foot being stationary on the board that causes the forward rotation, their feet are stationary on the ground every time they take a stride, just like everyone else. It’s the fact that you need to get your weight ahead of your foot to allow you to push your weight forwards as well as up to get maximum distance that does it.
It is in fact the foot being stationary on the ground that causes the forward rotation. It's just that when running, your next foot hits the ground, halting and reversing that rotation. But you are experiencing that forward rotation with each stride
I don't know if anybody remembers this, but back in 82 or 83, Carl Lewis jumped over 30' and it was ruled a foul even though he had not left a mark on the plasticine. It happened.
Oh yeah, that guy cheated like Lance Armstrong, but Americans are too naive and xenophobic. Half of the voters also think Trump is innocent, but I digress.
@@SayAhh He was under the most scrutiny of anyone ever. Can you show any proof of any crimes? No, because there wasn't any. Let me guess, something something Russia? Or fake pee tapes? Or how they change his words in the media over and over?
There was a guy here who did a similar thing for highjump but they banned it after he went so high he couldn't get back down and they had to send a blimp up to get him
I think the flipping long jump is banned for the same reason that two footed takeoffs (which can be either back or front flips) are banned in the high jump -- it just "doesn't look right". Almost surprised the Fosbury Flop didn't get banned for the same reason! I think it's particularly silly to ban front flip high jumps, since that doesn't even involve any handsprings, just a straightforward run up to the bar like the regular styles. I seem to remember hearing (from gymnasts) that there were tumblers who could clear 10 feet with a back flip, but I don't know if that's actually true.
I was thinking the exact same stupid rationale, in cycling the great Graeme Obree suffered similarly at the hands of imbeciles in that sport when he dared to deviate from the form and position of a traditional double triangle framed bicycle
A guy in high school used to tuck his knees up to his chest, wrap his arms around them and just cannonball his way through the air. He wasn’t too bothered about how he landed.
If you have a high possibility of landing on your neck with the Fosbury Flop in the high jump, they can easily allow the forward flip in the long jump even if it is ostentatious.
@@samxyx that same issue was in high jump when the fosbury flop was invented, so they made the mats softer and thicker. obviously not the same solution for the long jump but there probably is a softer sand or something they could use
@@qazwsx6340 Fair enough. I guess technically you could jump into a foam pit or something. If a good solution gets proposed I'd listen to it, but based on how it's currently done it's still too risky imo.
I was doing long jump competitions in high schoo (mostly in 1990), and the longest I jumped was 6.15m. I went to a regional competition and finished fifth, but there were really just 5cm between first and fourth position. This backflip jump video is amazing!
Now here is a long jump that won't break your body if you perform it on a hard surface. As someone who trains Parkour, I approve of this landing. Beautifully done. 1:04
I experimented with this technique in the mid-to-late 70s. At the time, I was unaware someone had already tried it. I was actually a pole vaulter but the technique intriqued me. I remember the first "flip" was a bit unnerving but it was pretty easy to get the hang of. I never thought it was particularly dangerous to be honest. In fact, I thought the pole vault was way more dangerous.
🏃♂ True story : I was thinking of introducing this method : To a lucky coach - Unbeknownst that it had already been revealed : I say bring it back - Where is the petition - I'll be the first to sign ✍🏼
Technically, in the long, high, and triple jumps all you have to do is take off on 1 foot. Had a kid at my high school do this and jumped 22'4"!.....he was a gymnast a d he pole vaulted; he was quite an athlete. They banned the technique for "safety" reasons!! Yeah!!
@@Lotschi In the long jump they still place an electronic pointer in the sand.....they couldn't do that on mats unless somehow the whole mat detects impact.
The problem with this technique is that if it goes wrong a lot of necks will break and due to not completely being incontrol of your landing a long of knee and elbow injuries that could end careers
I saw a documentary on Parkhurst and those guys have experimented with all types of techniques to jump long distances and have found that the tuck/roll gets you the furthest distance.
Yep. We had a high school athlete jumping about 22 ft. He started somersaults and instantly added 2 feet. It was allowed in the late 70s. But he also landed wrong once and almost broke his back, so the coach made him stop. Unless you are running from a tiger and you need to jump a wide river that has hippos in it, it's not worth the risk just for pride. Pride goes before a fall.
a lot of the rules in athletics were changed because of health and safety and this was just one of them just like moving away from metal spikes in running shoes or altering the balance of the javelin so it didnt travel outside of the designated area etc as with most decisions there will always be a few that cry foul but its done for the greater good
Yes like locking down an entire planet and then watching everyone suffer and lose their livelihoods and have mental breakdowns. A few will complain but it's for the greater good.
When the Fosbury Flop was introduced to high jumping, the safetycrats tried to ban it because "they'll break their necks!!!" They might actually have had something of a point when jump pits were filled with sawdust. But the safetycrats failed and now the floppers land in all but complete safety on piles of soft foam. This is something that people who love to order other people around "because safety" never, ever acknowledge- that technological advances can make once risky activities nearly risk free (not completely risk free, because nothing in life is completely risk free, another fact of life the safety Karens refuse to acknowledge).
I do agree that it can be dangerous because you have to think every long jumper is going to want to do it. I'd say absolutely no athlete attempts or coaching of it until you are in high-school and even then, maybe only the ones that make the team can be taught and be allowed to use it. It's like the karate death punch of field events
My track coach and I worked on this in 1986. Neither one of us knew it was banned since the internet wasn’t a thing yet! I never perfected it cause my balls weren’t big enough!
Physics teacher and former NCAA long jump coach here. Your forward rotation and landing spot are both predetermined once your take off foot leaves the ground. It's basic projectile motion and you are essentially a cannonball. The purpose of the flight technique is to land in a way that doesn't take away from this predetermined landing spot, making sure your feet and hips land far enough out and both equidistant from the board. Any forward rotation is determined by the distance of the penultimate step which sets up the take off angle. Fron there it's just about maximizing your trajectory.
As a former 23’/7m jumper as a junior there is zero chance a ‘proper’ jumper would agree with this, they achieve their 8.75+ jumps by being great sprinters that can transition speed into a jump…and at that speed you are never going to be able to do anything other than a hang with a leg technique for maintaining form for the leg extension at the landing. It might however give slower athletes a chance to break 8m.
@@stefanoviviani6064 There's a difference between doing a summersault as prettily as possible and doing one while jumping 8 meters at a quasi superhuman speed.
@@jonnynice8366 there's no different bruh. Gymnast literally run full speed before take off and spin at superhuman speeds in the air LOL ... if they misjudge the landing they too and land on their neck ...
It could be incorporated as an independent long jump modality separate from the traditional one now. Visually it is very attractive and it would be very interesting to see the limits of human jumping in this new (previously prohibited) modality. If it is not for a risk of greater injuries in the fall towards the sand, I do not see why this modality should not be practiced.
After watching parkour, I wondered why those guys didn't compete in t&f jumping competitions. Fosberry changed the high jump. Why not allow different methods?
this the first time i am hearing of this, amazing!
Thanks for watching, buddy!
I thought about - Didn't know someone did it already 😔
Mean Maori Mean!!!
I had a friend do it in high school. He was phenominal.
Me too.
Broke the game so hard they had to ban his technique, Absolute madlad.
But what if the other athletes did the same, then I bet he would have been just as mediocre as he was before that stunt..
@@jasonallen3678 he would still be the one who invented the technique first.
It's a technically poor technique that solves one thing (rotation) and creates a bigger problem in the landing phase. If it was legal, eventually it would just go away because it's not as efficient as the other methods.
@@srzjumperpoor technique that break every records ? 😅
_My method is better... and it makes 100% sense whichever way you look at it._
*WE DON'T WANT YOU OR ANYONE ELSE TO DO IT THAT WAY.*
_Why not?_
*BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN DONE THE OTHER WAY.*
A friend in high school kind of did this, but a judo roll, at a school athletics day. He came second after a guy who actually competed in long jumping and track and field. However he fractured his clavicle landing on his shoulder.
Yes, it is not completely injury free.
@@TheWayToWin i got to touch the bump on his clavicle right after and he got second i think it was a win win situation
@@TheWayToWin True, but no real sport is, which doesn't mean we don't participate in those sports, we just take measures to mitigate the risks 👌
@@Daniel-Davies-Gonstead-Student very well said.
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This being forbidden for safety puts in perspective how insanely far we're going with extreme sports. For instance, this very same move is done on a daily basis on parkour/freerunning but over concrete and sometimes over deadly vertical and horizontal gaps
It may be that the rules are just stupid,though. For example,at olympic trampolines doing 4+ flips is banned for the same reason: "too dangerous".
For sure at least partially true. But I don't think this rules were bad intended, probably it seem stupid now precisely because the way we see risk have evolved AF, as well as all kinds of medical treatments are now super advanced
Yeah I do flips way harder than this daily without much injury
nobody asked. grow up, cringer zoomers/ millenials acting like they do anything other than cru
I think it being forbidden is stupid.
It would be really spectacular to see longjump competitions with this technique
True but then if someone fails the injury will not be light
@@Blitz_maniac well it depends on at what point of the flip the athletes fall/fail, a belly flop for example (very early fail) would be more humiliating than harming though the risk of eating dirt is pretty high, likewise a late fail would most likely have you fall on your butt, and again, more humiliating than harming, though this one might actually be quite painful, depends on who you're asking.
The harm of falling on your neck with all that momentum is low, and landing on your back which with a bad landing technique could break something is mitigated by a good landing technique, like keeping with the roll instead of trying to fight it and getting whiplashed/slammed against the ground, and what do you know, with this jumping technique you are already going with the roll so might as well just keep going if you feel like you're going to fail your jump.
@@Blitz_maniac people cliff dive. When the technique is safe when properly executed, and you're talking about people at the highest level, the argument of safety is nonsense.
@@Blitz_maniac just put extra pads on the sides like in gymnastics.
@@Blitz_maniac That could be said of most sports so it comes down to good training before using it in competition - maybe soft landing materials or water whilst developing the technique.
That jump technique was awesome.
Indeed !
Visually stunning to watch for sure!
You’re awesome 🫵
@ALWAYS@MOVIES Then you should not do sport, if you keep thinking like that.
This dude was legit OG, absolute legend.
Literally, bruh.
Thought I'd throw in a bit more millennial lingo for good measure. Don't mind me, little fella.
@@nagualdesign GG nigga
I'd give him double OG status! Aotearoa! the greatest polynesian warriors......
In high school, I was using my own "Cannon ball" method. To prevent my legs from touching the ground by reflexive extension, I just tucked them in and held on til the last second. Was it the safest method? No, but I gained about an extra foot or so which is several medal positions.
I did this as well but my coach forced me to change by doing the hang. To this day, I dislike that I changed it cuz it never improved my distance. My PR was still the cannonball method.
@@UA-camTookMyNickname.WhyNot wut
One thing I loved to see when I was at school doing sports.
I once tried levitating during long jump, and I would have won but I forgot to jump so I was disqualified.
From a physics standpoint, I always thought this made the most sense to maximize a long jumpers distance. They should start off by making this an exhibition category of track and field as a trial. Aside from some possible head gear the jump should be no more dangerous than pole vaulting.
From a physics standpoint, it makes less sense. The reason it makes less sense is that long jump distance is a function of the parabola of the center of gravity. I leave it to you to deduce it from here.
@@Dave-lr2wo except you land with head above the COG so i don't see how that matters
@@charlietian4023 exactly!
@@charlietian4023 What "point" are you attempting to make? You have never read one single journal article on the biomechanics of long jump. If you did, you would know that COG height off of the board is a key variable. You have no idea what this means. Also, the optimal angular displacement of the trunk segment when is ZERO. Do you know what this means? Hint: it DOESN"T mean rotating forward is good.
@@shaleemejaz7019 "Exactly", what? You are in no way following this conversation. lol
Thanks for the footage of this mythical LJ technique. I heard about and saw films of the backflip high jumping technique in the 60s but never saw any footage of the LJ flip technique. Legalizing the technique would make the event far more exciting visually for the spectators. Thanks again.
thanks for watching, Clay!
The technique is stupid. It also would not result in longer jumps.
Does the long jump need to be "more exciting visually" at the expense of performance and safety? Sure, and "javelin catching" would be a great idea, too.
@@Dave-lr2wo nascar logic haha. I agree. Gotta keep it safe.
@@Dave-lr2wo what is the danger? Kids practicing this?
@@adrianriverapr6288 All head-forward activities are inherently dangerous. Spend a month in an ER. Every ER doctor will tell you the same thing: never do anything headfirst (dives, slides, football tackes, etc.)
But forgetting the obvious danger, there is zero biomechanical advantage despite Tuariki's ideas about it.
I'm old enough to remember back in the 70s when some guys were experimenting with this, and the physics behind it made immediate sense to me. I always wondered why it didn't become a more popular technique... never realized it was actually banned.
Because not many people know where their body is in space, so you would have broken necks
@@steve00alt70 I wasn’t asking why it was banned, but your reason doesn’t make sense if you’ve ever seen a tumbling run in a gymnastics competition.
@@johndoe-yw7eb they could try to make the pits wider and longer to avoid injury and try to have someone experiment with it
I knew a parkour athlete who did long front flips, I never measured them. My brother was a solid long jumper and he couldn’t get close to the distance this guy was flipping.
Travis Verky flipped the LA river!
@@HolyCodzta still just around 20 feet
@@basicallyeveryone true but he has to land in an upright position and is obviously not a long jumper.
@@limes_I I didn't mean to play down his performance. Verky is a machine. 20 feet is damn impressive. Especially considering the circumstances!
As an avid Track & Field competitor of the 1970's, we experimented with a lot of 'technical and physiological' improvements. I was a pole vaulter who benefited from the advent of the fiberglass pole and as a high jumper we favored the relatively 'new' Fosbury flop. The forward flip long jump was unusual but not outlawed at the time. We experimented with these fairly unique techniques of human form including the Oldfield spin in the shot put. To us, the long jump forward flip rotation was no different than the backwards leap in the high jump. Yes, officials would ban some of these techniques during competition, but to the athletes, these 'bans' made little sense because you've no individual advantage, as you're relying on raw ability not equipment. (Pole vault the exception) As a nationally ranked decathlon competitor I actively participated in many of these forms and techniques and I can honestly say - the 'flip' long jump made the most impact improving many of our best efforts by almost 2 feet. Considering a good H.S. long jump at the time to be 24 feet, exceling another 2 feet to over 26 feet was national top ranking. The inconsistent banning of techniques in Track & Field shares no proclivity to physical reasoning.
banning creative technique seems premature reasoning while equipment advantages are fare considerations
I'd heard of this and the quick ban on it, but did not know that it was actually viable. The sample size and testimonial based evidence isn't good enough for me to believe it yet, but that is moot.
This technique is a dangerous for youths, and that is enough justification for me. There really isn't a way to have it legal at the elite levels and banned for novices. In this case we have come to our senses before the paraplegics and deaths happen.
More recently, the handspring shot put has also been banned before it got past the UA-cam video stage. I highly doubt it would increase distances. I've quit following the sport as much after 25 years of competing in Masters and officiating NCAA,. But there has been a huge decline in shot putters using the spin technique at all levels, I believe.
My vote for the stupidest rule in sport is the one that says the high jumper has to take off on one foot. If we allow you to land backwards on your head, then you can't cite safety. I'd like to know how high a human can jump unaided. Period.
@@twelvefootboy For years this same unreasonable hysteria surrounded many advancements in track field events - the advent of the fiberglass pole vault and the backwards Fosbury flop - all considered to be 'dangerous' for youths. Is 'fear' really justification for controlling limitations of sport? Todays 'extreme' sports practiced by youth are far, far more advanced technologically and risky. Thankfully Dick Fosbury flop high jump routine capable of landing backwards on your head became the most influential technique in the history of track and field. Todays fiberglass pole vault has excelled into its own extreme sport of kind, including girls who are 'fearless' athletes pushing the limitations of amazing gymnastic form.
They do this all the time in parkour. It actually looks more natural to me. Bring it back!
Agree
That's one of the points they make. It goes with the person's momentum instead of against it. Athletics is too image conscious to really accept innovation. I'm surprised they didn't ban the flop for the highjump.
@@bkmeahanDoing a flip is all and well, up until the point that they go way overboard and land face first instead of foot first.
This is considering that modern athletes are much faster and jump much higher.
@@estoylaroca We'll let a 15 year old girl smash her head on the balance beam but these guys are too precious. Cmon.
@@davidfoster2629 Stupid argument, I'll let you figure it out yourself why.
Gee, what an interesting guy Delamere is! He was a MP here in NZ, had no idea he was an athlete!
I bet he was of those politicians constantly doing flipflops
The ban should be rescinded! That's an awesome technique and deserves to be made legitimate again!
Make Long Jumping Great Again!
I would actually start watching long jumps if they brought it back. This is dope.
Seriously though despite following athletics for nearly 40 years I didnt know this!
Same!
Sama here!! This would probably work in the triple jump as well!!
@@amjan no it wouldnt at all. it is completely different.
That's odd. It's the first thing I thought of after I did my first long jump.
this does seem more natural and organic. i always feel stressed out watching long jump when they touch the sand anywhere behind where their feet land, but it seems inevitable. it looks like if you time that flip perfectly you could just have enough momentum to fall forward, which would be highly satisfying to watch at least
@@UA-camTookMyNickname.WhyNot I actually would have got the world record but in the end wasn't eligible because I sprayed my athlete with chemical pesticide.
@@drworm5007 Had me rolling with laughter - thanks!
Great post! I had no idea about this time in the history of athletics.
i used to wonder when i was a kid if this was possible, this is the first video i have seen, thanks
Is this the guy who voices Cinema sins?
Honest Trailers: Long Jump
"Having just recovered from a back injury sustained as a frequent landing on his behind "
*A small price to pay for salvation*
Damn. That's quite a thing. I love this channel. Straight to point and educative.
Thanks for watching!
That's the honest trailers voice!
Or an AI recreation of it...
I have always thought to do the long jump that way 😂Never know it was actually done b4.
Incredible!
This video has answered one of the questions I had always thought about... Now I know!
Here in South Africa in the 80s we had a guy who did somersaults, flip flops when high jumping. Like a gymnast. This technique was banned, and I unfortunately cannot remember how high he jumped. Roy b, Cape Town. South Africa.
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I always wondered why they never did this at the Olympiad. I came up with this idea as a kid.
It must be made legal. It's natural forces that are being used in the jump. It's the sheer ability of the athlete in motion. How can this be illegal?
maybe it's too dangerous. Not for the elite but for the guys who learn or imitate it.
Yeah it's for athlete safety. Don't want someone to mess up and land on their neck.
Every sport has advantages of one sort or another that are banned, usually for safety reasons.
@@samxyx with the momentum of the jump and run it’s almost impossible to do this unless you are literally diving head first into the ground.
I knew a PE teacher who messed up his back and had to be carried out by the students to an ambulance, not sure if he was using this technique but probably something like it. Way too dangerous.
Thanks for this video. I was always wondering why the professionals don’t use other technics to beat the world records. For example you can do handspring as run-up to jump higher than the current world record.
Thanks for watching
When Dick Fosbury came up with the "Fosbury Flop it was not made illegal. He was considered a genius. It changed the High Jump forever and is still the technique used by just about everyone today. It's funny how one innovation is accepted and praised, yet another innovation is banned. The goal is to Looooonnnggg Jump, there should be no limitation on the style used by a competitor.
Difference with the high jump and long jump is in the high jump you have a big soft mat to cushion you when you land. In the old days the high jump used just a sandpit like the long jump to cushion the fall. As you can imagine the Fosbury flop technique would have been potentially fatal in the days of using sandpits to cushion the fall. The forward flip technique in long jump is just too dangerous, if you get it wrong you risk serious injury, the only way they could allow the forward flip to be allowed is if the long jump incorporated a soft mat landing, like the high jump does, and if they done this, then how do you measure the distance?
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I understand what you're saying but the time that flip was used in the long jump, no one was injured. If someone is willing to take a chance, that should be left up to the participant. They could always increase the length of the sand pit for the long jump and make it much deeper so that the landing would be much more cushioned.
This is absolutely not comparable to the Fosbury flop.
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Why is that? It was a new technique that brought excellent results, just as the Fosbury Flop.
Long JUMP yes! To me a somersault is not a jump. It's an added acrobatic move that belongs to gymnastics. And addition to something that already is a jump.
And they are really strict on form when it comes both of the vertical jumps too.
A rule that I really find curious is for the triple jump where they have to land on the same foot for the second jump. Why? Why not three jumps/steps with alternating landings?
It makes sense how these gymnasts and even parkour runners flip with such ease.
In the late forties or early fifties, a gymnast challenged the high jump world record by downing a run to round off and two legged takeoff. His flip over the bar was well over 6’6” at that time. It was banned and a single leg takeoff was required. He later did another attempt with the same approach but used a single leg, again flipping over the bar. The rule was then change to only a run up and no flipping action. In the late sixties, the “Fosbury Flop” was invented, and the western roll was extinguished within five years.
With two feet, it would still take the record today. I think they don't want gymnasts taking over the sport.
All of these events - long jump, high jump, discus, javelin, shot put, pole vault - should have the obvious simple rules, without all these restrictions on form or how many hands or feet you can use. I don't care if it would make them "ugly" and more dangerous - they would be a lot more entertaining.
I am not shocked!!! 15 years ago, in the army( military service,compulsory) ,a villager boy always jumped 5,5meters with this technic , also carrying G3A4 Rifle( not athlete, but very strong). Our commander always grumbled that boy was not human.
It’s not the athletes foot being stationary on the board that causes the forward rotation, their feet are stationary on the ground every time they take a stride, just like everyone else.
It’s the fact that you need to get your weight ahead of your foot to allow you to push your weight forwards as well as up to get maximum distance that does it.
It is in fact the foot being stationary on the ground that causes the forward rotation. It's just that when running, your next foot hits the ground, halting and reversing that rotation. But you are experiencing that forward rotation with each stride
Amazing. Bring it back
Can you do a video about the 1000 m WR? There are not many videos about it, it's a crazy record with incredibile splits
I don't know if anybody remembers this, but back in 82 or 83, Carl Lewis jumped over 30' and it was ruled a foul even though he had not left a mark on the plasticine. It happened.
van you provide a source or video ? really interesting
Oh yeah, that guy cheated like Lance Armstrong, but Americans are too naive and xenophobic. Half of the voters also think Trump is innocent, but I digress.
@@SayAhh And you are naive if you think any politician is innocent.
@@SayAhh He was under the most scrutiny of anyone ever. Can you show any proof of any crimes? No, because there wasn't any. Let me guess, something something Russia? Or fake pee tapes? Or how they change his words in the media over and over?
@@SayAhh Same old TDS.
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Is this the honest trailer guy narrating?
I recognize that Honest Trailers announcing voice from screen junkies!
There was a guy here who did a similar thing for highjump but they banned it after he went so high he couldn't get back down and they had to send a blimp up to get him
It was a very Goodyear.
I think the flipping long jump is banned for the same reason that two footed takeoffs (which can be either back or front flips) are banned in the high jump -- it just "doesn't look right". Almost surprised the Fosbury Flop didn't get banned for the same reason! I think it's particularly silly to ban front flip high jumps, since that doesn't even involve any handsprings, just a straightforward run up to the bar like the regular styles. I seem to remember hearing (from gymnasts) that there were tumblers who could clear 10 feet with a back flip, but I don't know if that's actually true.
Tumblers are on a mat though. I wouldn’t suggest trying on the field.
I was thinking the exact same stupid rationale, in cycling the great Graeme Obree suffered similarly at the hands of imbeciles in that sport when he dared to deviate from the form and position of a traditional double triangle framed bicycle
A guy in high school used to tuck his knees up to his chest, wrap his arms around them and just cannonball his way through the air. He wasn’t too bothered about how he landed.
He is really rolling with that jump, damn what a man.
If you have a high possibility of landing on your neck with the Fosbury Flop in the high jump, they can easily allow the forward flip in the long jump even if it is ostentatious.
A huge difference landing on thick mats and landing on sand.
Floppers land on their upper backs then roll into a somersault.
Landing on sand is *not* like landing on a mat.
Wth this makes a lot of sense and it’s making me angry to find out it’s not allowed…how is this not just a human trying to jump as far as possible
Imagine if gymnastic commissions were like, "Whoa whoa whoa! Front flips are *WAY* too dangerous. We gotta band those." 🤪
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Bring it back. It looks natural and as risky as the other techniques where you can risk your Achilles tendon.
Spine injury is not the same as an achilles injury
@@samxyx that same issue was in high jump when the fosbury flop was invented, so they made the mats softer and thicker. obviously not the same solution for the long jump but there probably is a softer sand or something they could use
@@qazwsx6340 Fair enough. I guess technically you could jump into a foam pit or something. If a good solution gets proposed I'd listen to it, but based on how it's currently done it's still too risky imo.
@@qazwsx6340 Sand only helps up a point, I knew a PE teacher who severely messed up his back doing long jump even though he landed in sand.
I was doing long jump competitions in high schoo (mostly in 1990), and the longest I jumped was 6.15m. I went to a regional competition and finished fifth, but there were really just 5cm between first and fourth position. This backflip jump video is amazing!
Sure you did. It's a somersault not a backflip.
This is a frontflip, not a backflip.
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Would make the sport so much more interesting to watch
Now here is a long jump that won't break your body if you perform it on a hard surface. As someone who trains Parkour, I approve of this landing. Beautifully done. 1:04
can you do a video on noah lyles american record?
Sure. It's coming. Stay tuned.
I experimented with this technique in the mid-to-late 70s. At the time, I was unaware someone had already tried it. I was actually a pole vaulter but the technique intriqued me. I remember the first "flip" was a bit unnerving but it was pretty easy to get the hang of. I never thought it was particularly dangerous to be honest. In fact, I thought the pole vault was way more dangerous.
No reason to ban it. It’s just evolution. Sportsmen are trying to find new ways to play within rules like the underarm in tennis.
It’s no more dangerous than what gymnasts do every day. You should get extra points for twists.
Genius idea for sure. Encourage them to throw both arms up after completion.
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True story : I was thinking of introducing this method :
To a lucky coach - Unbeknownst that it had already been revealed :
I say bring it back - Where is the petition - I'll be the first to sign ✍🏼
a lot more tame than the spinning javelin throw!
Ahh the old jump over the bar to avoid a gunfight trick.
Technically, in the long, high, and triple jumps all you have to do is take off on 1 foot. Had a kid at my high school do this and jumped 22'4"!.....he was a gymnast a d he pole vaulted; he was quite an athlete. They banned the technique for "safety" reasons!! Yeah!!
On the one hand it looks so cool but on the other hand it really seems dangerous.
Maybe one could think of jumping on a mattress, like in highjump.
in gymnastics summersaults are common and they land on hard surface, so why not for long jumps
How would they measure the distance landed on mats ?
@@blaze1148 the point where they touch the mat, measured with electronics?
Maybe…
@@Lotschi In the long jump they still place an electronic pointer in the sand.....they couldn't do that on mats unless somehow the whole mat detects impact.
@@blaze1148 well, maybe you‘re right but anyways I was just brainstorming. Do you have an idea?
The problem with this technique is that if it goes wrong a lot of necks will break and due to not completely being incontrol of your landing a long of knee and elbow injuries that could end careers
I saw a documentary on Parkhurst and those guys have experimented with all types of techniques to jump long distances and have found that the tuck/roll gets you the furthest distance.
The prisoners?
Parkour?
Yep. We had a high school athlete jumping about 22 ft. He started somersaults and instantly added 2 feet. It was allowed in the late 70s. But he also landed wrong once and almost broke his back, so the coach made him stop.
Unless you are running from a tiger and you need to jump a wide river that has hippos in it, it's not worth the risk just for pride.
Pride goes before a fall.
Even if it's not tiger but a pride of lions?
a lot of the rules in athletics were changed because of health and safety and this was just one of them just like moving away from metal spikes in running shoes or altering the balance of the javelin so it didnt travel outside of the designated area etc as with most decisions there will always be a few that cry foul but its done for the greater good
Yes like locking down an entire planet and then watching everyone suffer and lose their livelihoods and have mental breakdowns. A few will complain but it's for the greater good.
When the Fosbury Flop was introduced to high jumping, the safetycrats tried to ban it because "they'll break their necks!!!" They might actually have had something of a point when jump pits were filled with sawdust. But the safetycrats failed and now the floppers land in all but complete safety on piles of soft foam. This is something that people who love to order other people around "because safety" never, ever acknowledge- that technological advances can make once risky activities nearly risk free (not completely risk free, because nothing in life is completely risk free, another fact of life the safety Karens refuse to acknowledge).
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How come they allowed Fosbury flop in high jump, but banned sommersault in long jump?
Track of field would of been alot more exciting
I do agree that it can be dangerous because you have to think every long jumper is going to want to do it. I'd say absolutely no athlete attempts or coaching of it until you are in high-school and even then, maybe only the ones that make the team can be taught and be allowed to use it. It's like the karate death punch of field events
My track coach and I worked on this in 1986. Neither one of us knew it was banned since the internet wasn’t a thing yet! I never perfected it cause my balls weren’t big enough!
Physics teacher and former NCAA long jump coach here. Your forward rotation and landing spot are both predetermined once your take off foot leaves the ground. It's basic projectile motion and you are essentially a cannonball. The purpose of the flight technique is to land in a way that doesn't take away from this predetermined landing spot, making sure your feet and hips land far enough out and both equidistant from the board. Any forward rotation is determined by the distance of the penultimate step which sets up the take off angle. Fron there it's just about maximizing your trajectory.
As a former 23’/7m jumper as a junior there is zero chance a ‘proper’ jumper would agree with this, they achieve their 8.75+ jumps by being great sprinters that can transition speed into a jump…and at that speed you are never going to be able to do anything other than a hang with a leg technique for maintaining form for the leg extension at the landing. It might however give slower athletes a chance to break 8m.
all it takes is to misstime your takeoff and then you're paralyzed
What about gymnastics?
@@TheWayToWin Some dangerous record breaking moves are banned in gymnastics as well.
@@jonnynice8366 certainly not a summersault though
@@stefanoviviani6064 There's a difference between doing a summersault as prettily as possible and doing one while jumping 8 meters at a quasi superhuman speed.
@@jonnynice8366 there's no different bruh. Gymnast literally run full speed before take off and spin at superhuman speeds in the air LOL ... if they misjudge the landing they too and land on their neck ...
There must be something about the name John and Edwards and jumping events
It could be incorporated as an independent long jump modality separate from the traditional one now. Visually it is very attractive and it would be very interesting to see the limits of human jumping in this new (previously prohibited) modality. If it is not for a risk of greater injuries in the fall towards the sand, I do not see why this modality should not be practiced.
Wait, is the voice over guy the guy from Honest Trailers?
a back handspring is also
a great way to HIGH jump
but also banned
Wonderful...looks like some Ninja Technique 🥷
Parkour/Freerunners use this technique to land 10m plus long jumps. So yeah it should be allowed in competition.
A street performer did the summersalt jump over ten of us standing side by side. And landed on his feet. At least 24ft. This would be cool to see!
_*Somersault._ Summersalt is a brand of ladies swimwear.
This is fascinating.
They should do a competition with this. They should jump water of course.
Wow. I think i know this person.
His brother lives 2 mins walk from my house.
I never knew this.
Respect
Thanks
Banning it was ridiculous.
It's like banning the Fosbury flop in the high jump.
Mind blowing 😎‼️
No way man I used to jump like this in high school for PE tests for fun without knowing it was a real technique 😂
That weird jump technique ,is like sonic doing some dashes.
After watching parkour, I wondered why those guys didn't compete in t&f jumping competitions. Fosberry changed the high jump. Why not allow different methods?
Is this video voiced by the Epic Voice Guy(Jon Bailey)?
This is like if high jump banned the western roll, the straddle and the Fosbury flop. They would still be doing the scissors.
LoL, it's the Honest Trailers guy
how many gymnasts have been severely injured vaulting or floor exercies with multiple flips and twists?
This video gonna hit million views
Didn't know this was banned. I've been always thinking why noone jumps with this technique.
Why is honest trailer guy here?