One thing I really like about the show is we get to see Robin become a better leader through the Titans. He was already good at strategy and working with people but we got see him become better through out the show, oddly enough through letting go of some of what Batman taught him. His mistakes as a leader or as superhero like keeping secrets from his team or not allowing himself to take a break or have a personal life where things that Batman-whether directly or not-definitely taught him. But by letting go of those ideas he was able to become a better leader and a better man. He even admits as such in the episode "Revved Up" that he used to think that secrets from his friends where necessary but not anymore. I'm not trying to say that Batman was a bad mentor, far from it, but he wants the Robins to be better than him and becoming a Titan is how Dick became a better leader than Batman could ever hope to be.
Every character on the show had nice arc and growing moment, in particular Raven and Beast Boy got some really cool moments, such as Raven opening up and become more trusting of others, Beast Boy going from goofy kid to more mature guy (especially after his arc with Terra), and Robin had that nice episode where he had to let things go after Deathstroke seemingly comes back to life in S3. Not to mention that dude went to Hell to save Raven (s4 during Trigon arc). This is what I loved about the show, I was already in my teen years when it aired, so i was mature enough to pick up on more mature themes, but it was still colorful and goofy that you could enjoy it if you were just a kid.
Robin wasn't just trained by Batman, he was also introduced to fighting and acrobatics at a very young age as in Dick Grayson's original backstory, written by Bill Finger, he is raised in the circus with the acrobatic trio The Flying Graysons, consisting of him, his mother and father. So even before meeting batman he had tremendous talent, batman just enhanced it.
I know this is over a year old, but I have to say my piece. Teen Titans, I grew up on, it's one of my favorite childhood shows when we had cable. When I was a kid, I wasn't too into superheroes, so Batman wasn't really known to me. I knew of him, but I never watched shows or movies that had Batman because he didn't interest me. The Teen Titans however, it caught my interest and I didn't even know there were other robins because I thought it was just this Robin. I didn't even know he had any other name than Robin until I tried looking into it for a story idea I'm writing, I like writing fanfics. All I cared about was this character and this character only, but learning more about him, everything, it made me love his character that much more.
I think what i like a lot about Teen Titans Robin is that it feels like the time he spends leading the team is crucial to his development into the wholistic man that he is when he becomes Nightwing. In teen titans, you can see how he was raised by batman, and still had batmans cold and obsessive nature. But he had a soft spot for the team, especially starfire, and that taught him to be more than just a hero. It makes his character as nightwing in later iterations more believable and feel real. That hes an even greater role model and even father figure for damian wayne.
This show as my first time really getting into the superhero space (along side JL Unlimited, I was just a bit too young to catch the BMtAS stuff on air) and when looking back after learning more about everything, I absolutely adore the omnipresent "teen" aspect of this series. The TT time of Dick's life was when he was the most rebellious and "typical teen" like as a character. He was branching out from The Bat, learning to be more "independent" (yeah he's got a team, but no seasoned heroes or Bruce's bank account), improving his leadership skills, slowly becoming Nightwing, and I think this show portrays that phenomenally. Personally, I do like the YJ Dick more as a whole, but speaking honestly, he's also just a more "complete" version of the character over all - the point of the TT version to me was to show the character in this specific time period and space and I think they absolutely nailed it. They combined teen angst and impulsivity really well with the core aspects of the Batfam's Oldest Son (still a detective-crime-fighter trained by Batman, but not as dark) , isolated him (purely through writing) from any help outside his team (or other teens), and really showed him coming into his own during this time.
Growing up with Teen Titans is the main reason I really know anything seeing as I wasn't really into things like DC growing up but Teen Titans is the reason I started somewhat getting into it and Robin was one of my favorite Titans.
I would love for the Batman (2004) and Teen titans (2003) to be the same Robin/Nightwing versions, that’d cement that version being the #1 best and greatest spot-on Dick Grayson to me. I still love DCAMU’s characterization but those movies truly just disrespected him the best they could… oof…
Some people, people more used to the fanon depiction of Dick who see him as a "ray of sunshine", think TTA Robin is out of character for DG, but they actually couldn't be more wrong. Dick has always been the more sober/serious one when it came to the Teen Titans, Titans, Outsiders etc. etc... and even then he's been a more grounded character in his other books and solos, especially in the 80's/90's. It's only recent years and this overwhelming fandom woobification (which also seems to dumb him down/dull his skills) that has led to this misrepresentation of his character that has brought us to the Nightwing in the Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy show, a whiny idiot with daddy issues. And I know that show makes fun of everyone, but it's still so close to the fanon version of Dick that it's just kinda sad... great video!
I see it as a 'Spock on the Enterprise' situation. Only the loose cannons of Vulcan culture find themselves accommodating enough to be able to work with a mainly human crew, but at of the day they're still Vulcans. Dick Grayson can be both the purest member of the Batman universe, and also the most serious member of the Teen Titans. Anyone able to crack jokes around Bruce and Damien Wayne will look like the life of a party, and anyone who demands discipline and work around Starfire, Beat Boy, and Cyborg is going to look like a tight ass. Grayson's path is finding a way to navigate those two approaches, and come into his own.
And that is why writers should never 100% listen to fanbases when it comes to writing characters; when you let your spectators dictate the way you should handle your writing (especially the manic ones who tend to flanderize or woobifie characters for the sake of personal gratification, AKA the Tumblr/Twitter crowd), you're bound to see how your story/show comes crumbling down like a stack of Jenga pieces, and your characters' rep. and actual personality ruined. Example: RWBY. In the case of the Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy show, it was inevitable that Dick would be portrayed like that, cause that show is aimed at the exact same crowd who turns him into a joke in their drawings and such. They don't care about actual character accuracy or anything like that, they just want to self-insert into the characters and feel like everything revolves around them as a (desperate) means of validation.
I just watched some TT but you're making me want to go back and do it again lol. Teen Titans made a great decision by not including the big name adult superheroes. Like you said, it allows the kids to shine in their own right and resolve their own issues. It heightens the stakes, provides more opportunity for character growth, and allows for more interesting plots. I heard they did it to make them look like more confident role models for kids. But it was a great narrative choice as well, and it made Teen Titans more iconic. Gave some of the lesser known Titans (especially in season 5) more time to shine too.
I’m actually surprised you don’t have the BTAS version up there along with YJ and TT. I kind of find it hard to disagree with the TT version being the best though because I absolutely loved that cartoon growing up and Robin was, in fact, my favorite character. But BTAS was one of the closest and best interpretations imo. Right up there with TT. Dick wasn’t the leader of the Team as Robin in YJ though (except for 3 episodes/missions and one of them was a dream), that was Aqualad. But then in season 2 he was as Nightwing. Oh and another thing you didn’t mention in the video about how he’s flawed is the part about how he created the Red X moniker but didn’t fill his team in not to mention he was fighting them. And then we see the character development from that as Robin learns to trust his team more and basically doesn’t do anything else without them except for what he needed to do himself. He was a very balanced character and, yea, I agree that he is the best version of the character we’ve seen so far.
Not only is this my favorite version of Robin, but it also has my favorite version of Nightwing, even though he only appears in one episode, but I love how long is forever's Nightwing. Next to DCAU'S Robin/Nightwing and the comics.
I love the Teen Titans version. Robin in this show feels more competent than Batman in a way. Like he’s even more focused on preparedness and getting the job done. And this is inline with the fact that Batman sees him as his predecessor.
TT Robin is great for all of those reasons you gave but I think I slightly prefer YJ Robin however only because seeing his growth into Nightwing in later seasons. The not bringing Batman into TT also has a different element to it too, when Batman is present you do have a comparison between the two and his differences show and their relationship (that scene of them playing basketball I thought was great). YJ explored have more of his psyche too and his growth was far more visible. (Him wanting to lead to the team more than anything and then him opening up how he expected to become Batman but realizing that he isn’t Bruce, he isn’t the same as him and wants different things) Now TT also had some of this growth but it was more subtitle until the movie Trouble in Tokyo. But in my mind they’re both great, neither is bad, just personal taste thing.
Teen Titans didn't bring Batman into the show because they wanted to restrain Robin's and Titans story from the rest of DC cast. After all, Dick has finally got his own team and must prove himself as worthy leader, Batman and Bat-family would've been just a third wheel. However, Batman did show up in Teen Titans 2003 comics which were kind of the finale after "Trouble in Tokyo" and unofficial season 6. When Robin finally let his emotions outside he finally separated his hero and teen life allowing himself to openly date with Starfire. Bruce was watching the whole thing from another building, which is creepy for adult man spying on 2 teens making out, but he finally accepted Robin grew up and can stand up for himself and his friends
The best part is this is the most comic accurate Dick Grayson. All the angst and anger you see from Jason Todd in the DVDs, that was based on Dick Grayson. Bro was a demon before he became Nightwing.
I betcha need no reasons to prove why he's the best... He is just ghe best I BELIEVE HE'D BE THE DEFINTION of PERFECT.... Yhe bestest character ever of dc... Luv him with mh whole heart... HE'S JUST ON ANOTHER LEVEL AND WHATEVER LEVEL I'LL ALWAYS LUV HIM......
I think it's more that Dick Grayson is a really good character, since I kinda prefer him as Nightwing. Not that the others are better as Robin, Dick is still the best, but Nightwing is like a good epilogue for him. I also quite enjoy him as Batman (with Damian as his Robin).
I'd really love a show with Tim Drake's Robin as the focus (not supporting like in BTAS and YJ), preferably in his Red Robin N52 costume. He'a dedinitely the most underrated amongst his brothers.
@@Purgosmusic wrong, watch the show from the beginning. The first Robin is Dick Grayson, there’s a time skip in season 2 where he turns to Night Wing. Tim Drake appeared in season 2 as Robin.
This robin is perfect, in my opinion is also the best robin for batman. How he wanted him to be. It was surprising to see him in other shows , because I feel like the robbed him, they make him look weak and less interesting
I absolutely agree that this version of Robin was the best portrayed. However, not enough people talk about how a lot of his key defining traits were ripped straight from Tim Drake like his bo staff use, detective skills, and affinity for gadgets. As a result, Tim Drake was often portrayed as the kid brother figure instead of the prodigy who had the potential to out sleuth Batman Dick was meant to represent what Batman would have been like if he put more energy towards his emotional intelligence and leadership skills. They definitely got that part right in his portrayals in Teen Titans and Young Justice.
Robin for me was always the most skilled titan and the red x saga proved it early on. He was wholly himself all while being in my head near batman level being more serious than the others
Teen Titans Robin is really great though I do feel like against Trigon Robin would've called the League realizing too much is at risk plus the League would've shown up in their own
you want to have a better life then the old man's take care of the people that love you tt robin does that without being batmanand without being bruce's clone he's wat batman wanted the next generation to be
Teen titans and batman the animated series robin are my favorite ever versions of robin, that's the robin i grew up with, and that's why dick grayson will always be my favorite robin no matter what
TT has a great robin and I love everything they do with the character, expecially with how competent he's shown alongside his super powered friends. However I wouldn't say he's my favorite because I think Dick Grayson needs a little more levity. Not that Dick is a goofball, I absolutely like making him more serious to show how Bruce has raised him, but robin is supposed to be the ray of sunshine to counter Batman's darkness. The animated shows have all done a pretty good job with dick with one exception. The Batman(2004) and BTAS both nail the Batman and Robin dynamic with the former being more energetic while the latter is more seasoned. Young Justice has a pretty amazing dick Grayson with him being competent yet flawed and so much fun to watch, he's cocky and arrogant yet smart and calculating and is in my opinion the best robin to date. I'd say the DCAMU is the only one that kidna drops the ball and I still love this dick Grayson. He's now Nightwing and I love him in Judas Contract where he's depicted similar to his young justice counterpart. Also Dick x Kory is so much more interesting than him with Barbara and I will die on this hill. The only problem with this depiction is how much his ass gets handed to him. So the perfect robin would have the Teen Titans leadership, BTAS's dynamic duo, the Batman's energy, young justices character writing, and DCAMU's maturity. The perfect dick Grayson is inspiring and compassionate but can get caught up in his own head. A robin that can lead a team with his intellect and comradery while still being an anchor for Batman to keep him grounded in his goal. Dick Grayson is the perfect combination of Batman and Superman.
Is it me or does the batman 2004 robin looks like Robin from teen Titans 2003 when you said the batman Robin is more childish but the teen Titans Robin is mature I have a headcanon that the batman is a prequel to teen titans show what do you think.
I actually see that too. I think the art style is pretty close hinted at something. In fact I think there's comics where The Batman worked with the TItans.
This Robin does shit like hang upside down in the dark to make a dramatic entrance when the bad guy flips on the light😂 He really is actually a very believable version of Robin all things considered because he’s almost too mature for his age because he never had a normal childhood with Bruce; like the things he has seen and done and had on his shoulders before have given him the sense of responsibility that Batman would have instilled in him, meaning, a little bit more self-blame than is purely healthy. But this Robin is obviously very recently split from Bruce and is on bad terms. Which is exactly how it happened in the comics. Their split was ugly and they didn’t talk for over a year. Jason’s entire tenure as Robin came and went without Dick talking to Bruce. The canonical rift between them was extreme and almost permanent. Tim was the one that basically forced them to make nice with one another, and by that time Dick was obviously going by Nightwing and had long since abandoned his title as Boy Wonder. You excluded Batman Brave and The Bold and I think that was the right choice. Does Robin even count as a true character in that show? He gets what, two appearances as Robin and one as Nightwing? Idk. But he’s just not….really a full-fleshed out Robin in that show.
One of the writers that wrote young justice comic and Tim drake was also the person that wrote teen titans So they basically used the young justice comics as inspiration for the show Taking a lot from young justice robin(Tim drake) when writing this version Young justice is the closest to accurate representation of Dick Grayson robin just modernize while this version is literally Tim drake but more edgy and brutal
People forget without Grayson there's no wally west , Roy harper, Bucky Barnes teen titans etc he gave DC and marvel the idea to make side kicks and prove that they work that's why tons of the big side kicks where made and based of him without him Spiderman may not of been what he is or as popular
I don't know, personally I think Dick Grayson in YJ was a much better representation of Dick. Unfortunately, his representation on Robin was short-lived, but overall as Dick Grayson it's the best version, it best represented Dick as to why he became the better version of Batman and surpassed him in many ways.
This Dick Grayson is alot like the him in the New Teen Titan comics where he was more serious. Also, people like to use the fact that Drake is the smartest Robin to dumb down Dick way too much.
@@mattblazefire7999It's been stated numerous times that Tim is the smartest Robin, also people are just tired of Dick getting all of Tim characteristics that made Robin popular in the first place.
Young Justice Dick Grayson >> Teen Titans Dick Grayson I Love both, both shows are the best version of him, but as a Comic Reader and Fan for years. YJ is the most close to his comic counterpart imo. Or more so, I think I agree with someone in some other video I watched, TT is the Best Robin but YJ is the best Dick Grayson what means Best Nightwing since Nightwing is Dick's best self.
I'd say Teen Titans 2003 series creators never really focused too much on Titans real identities, all of that was more for reference use. They needed to make their heroes personas more obvious for kids, but at the same time these characters grew and changed just like their audience. I found it really strange people wanted to know about villians backstories, have bigger scales than just saving Jump City when Teen Titans is completely different from shows like BTAS or Justice League Unlimited. All the threats serve as a tool to cover Titans personal and team conflicts. Having a complex 6-parter story wouldn't just give them air to expand on their personalities and acceptance of their limits and insecurities. And villians like Joker or Starro weren't needed at all.
I thought young justice’s Robin was Tim Drake? Honestly I was under the impression this whole time that the original Teen Titans Robin was Tim as well.
The original Young Justice Robin in the first season is Dick Grayson like the Teen Titans Robin they both become Nightwing in the future.But from season 2 onwards the Young Justice Robin is Tim Drake, Jason Todd is Robin sometime during the time skip between seasons 1 and 2.
Nope! It was Dick Grayson, this robin became Nightwing in the future and mentioned things like the flying Grayson in his origin. I can definitely see why you would think that though
I agree that TT robin is the best character named robin but the other two robins are more accurate portrayals of dick grayson Robin. TT robin is more of a fusion of batman and robin.... which is great.
His rivalry with Slade/Deathstroke in the show is my favorite part about him.
Nice pf
yeah its good
Slade was beating tf out of teenagers lmao
This is less to do with the character, but I love his expressive mask-eyes. Peak design decision.
Me too it makes him look amazing and cool
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Yhh this is what made me love Robin
The Spiderman effect
@@doctorjay8673nope the Batman effect
One thing I really like about the show is we get to see Robin become a better leader through the Titans. He was already good at strategy and working with people but we got see him become better through out the show, oddly enough through letting go of some of what Batman taught him.
His mistakes as a leader or as superhero like keeping secrets from his team or not allowing himself to take a break or have a personal life where things that Batman-whether directly or not-definitely taught him. But by letting go of those ideas he was able to become a better leader and a better man. He even admits as such in the episode "Revved Up" that he used to think that secrets from his friends where necessary but not anymore.
I'm not trying to say that Batman was a bad mentor, far from it, but he wants the Robins to be better than him and becoming a Titan is how Dick became a better leader than Batman could ever hope to be.
yeah same this helped Robin became a better Character and Developed a lot
Every character on the show had nice arc and growing moment, in particular Raven and Beast Boy got some really cool moments, such as Raven opening up and become more trusting of others, Beast Boy going from goofy kid to more mature guy (especially after his arc with Terra), and Robin had that nice episode where he had to let things go after Deathstroke seemingly comes back to life in S3. Not to mention that dude went to Hell to save Raven (s4 during Trigon arc).
This is what I loved about the show, I was already in my teen years when it aired, so i was mature enough to pick up on more mature themes, but it was still colorful and goofy that you could enjoy it if you were just a kid.
This version of Dick broke Slade's neck with one kick, Dick Grayson normally holds back because of his training
He froze and then shattered Madame Rouge too. This kid was out for blood is2g
Robin wasn't just trained by Batman, he was also introduced to fighting and acrobatics at a very young age as in Dick Grayson's original backstory, written by Bill Finger, he is raised in the circus with the acrobatic trio The Flying Graysons, consisting of him, his mother and father. So even before meeting batman he had tremendous talent, batman just enhanced it.
I know this is over a year old, but I have to say my piece. Teen Titans, I grew up on, it's one of my favorite childhood shows when we had cable. When I was a kid, I wasn't too into superheroes, so Batman wasn't really known to me. I knew of him, but I never watched shows or movies that had Batman because he didn't interest me. The Teen Titans however, it caught my interest and I didn't even know there were other robins because I thought it was just this Robin. I didn't even know he had any other name than Robin until I tried looking into it for a story idea I'm writing, I like writing fanfics. All I cared about was this character and this character only, but learning more about him, everything, it made me love his character that much more.
Teen titans is by far the best Robin
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@coleenvlog173huh?
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He is a very intriguing character amd you can see he struggles to deal with his trauma in the show.
I think what i like a lot about Teen Titans Robin is that it feels like the time he spends leading the team is crucial to his development into the wholistic man that he is when he becomes Nightwing.
In teen titans, you can see how he was raised by batman, and still had batmans cold and obsessive nature. But he had a soft spot for the team, especially starfire, and that taught him to be more than just a hero. It makes his character as nightwing in later iterations more believable and feel real. That hes an even greater role model and even father figure for damian wayne.
This show as my first time really getting into the superhero space (along side JL Unlimited, I was just a bit too young to catch the BMtAS stuff on air) and when looking back after learning more about everything, I absolutely adore the omnipresent "teen" aspect of this series. The TT time of Dick's life was when he was the most rebellious and "typical teen" like as a character. He was branching out from The Bat, learning to be more "independent" (yeah he's got a team, but no seasoned heroes or Bruce's bank account), improving his leadership skills, slowly becoming Nightwing, and I think this show portrays that phenomenally. Personally, I do like the YJ Dick more as a whole, but speaking honestly, he's also just a more "complete" version of the character over all - the point of the TT version to me was to show the character in this specific time period and space and I think they absolutely nailed it. They combined teen angst and impulsivity really well with the core aspects of the Batfam's Oldest Son (still a detective-crime-fighter trained by Batman, but not as dark) , isolated him (purely through writing) from any help outside his team (or other teens), and really showed him coming into his own during this time.
Growing up with Teen Titans is the main reason I really know anything seeing as I wasn't really into things like DC growing up but Teen Titans is the reason I started somewhat getting into it and Robin was one of my favorite Titans.
I would love for the Batman (2004) and Teen titans (2003) to be the same Robin/Nightwing versions, that’d cement that version being the #1 best and greatest spot-on Dick Grayson to me. I still love DCAMU’s characterization but those movies truly just disrespected him the best they could… oof…
Some people, people more used to the fanon depiction of Dick who see him as a "ray of sunshine", think TTA Robin is out of character for DG, but they actually couldn't be more wrong. Dick has always been the more sober/serious one when it came to the Teen Titans, Titans, Outsiders etc. etc... and even then he's been a more grounded character in his other books and solos, especially in the 80's/90's. It's only recent years and this overwhelming fandom woobification (which also seems to dumb him down/dull his skills) that has led to this misrepresentation of his character that has brought us to the Nightwing in the Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy show, a whiny idiot with daddy issues. And I know that show makes fun of everyone, but it's still so close to the fanon version of Dick that it's just kinda sad... great video!
I see it as a 'Spock on the Enterprise' situation. Only the loose cannons of Vulcan culture find themselves accommodating enough to be able to work with a mainly human crew, but at of the day they're still Vulcans. Dick Grayson can be both the purest member of the Batman universe, and also the most serious member of the Teen Titans. Anyone able to crack jokes around Bruce and Damien Wayne will look like the life of a party, and anyone who demands discipline and work around Starfire, Beat Boy, and Cyborg is going to look like a tight ass. Grayson's path is finding a way to navigate those two approaches, and come into his own.
i really love this version of Robin
I can't stand the batfamily fanbase
@@geckowss why so???
And that is why writers should never 100% listen to fanbases when it comes to writing characters; when you let your spectators dictate the way you should handle your writing (especially the manic ones who tend to flanderize or woobifie characters for the sake of personal gratification, AKA the Tumblr/Twitter crowd), you're bound to see how your story/show comes crumbling down like a stack of Jenga pieces, and your characters' rep. and actual personality ruined. Example: RWBY.
In the case of the Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy show, it was inevitable that Dick would be portrayed like that, cause that show is aimed at the exact same crowd who turns him into a joke in their drawings and such. They don't care about actual character accuracy or anything like that, they just want to self-insert into the characters and feel like everything revolves around them as a (desperate) means of validation.
I just watched some TT but you're making me want to go back and do it again lol.
Teen Titans made a great decision by not including the big name adult superheroes. Like you said, it allows the kids to shine in their own right and resolve their own issues. It heightens the stakes, provides more opportunity for character growth, and allows for more interesting plots. I heard they did it to make them look like more confident role models for kids. But it was a great narrative choice as well, and it made Teen Titans more iconic. Gave some of the lesser known Titans (especially in season 5) more time to shine too.
TT was the best interpretation of Grayson as Robin. Young Justice was the best interpretation of Grayson as a hero/person on the daily
Great analysis! I'm grateful that this was my introduction to Dick Grayson because he was just portrayed so well!
I’m actually surprised you don’t have the BTAS version up there along with YJ and TT. I kind of find it hard to disagree with the TT version being the best though because I absolutely loved that cartoon growing up and Robin was, in fact, my favorite character. But BTAS was one of the closest and best interpretations imo. Right up there with TT. Dick wasn’t the leader of the Team as Robin in YJ though (except for 3 episodes/missions and one of them was a dream), that was Aqualad. But then in season 2 he was as Nightwing. Oh and another thing you didn’t mention in the video about how he’s flawed is the part about how he created the Red X moniker but didn’t fill his team in not to mention he was fighting them. And then we see the character development from that as Robin learns to trust his team more and basically doesn’t do anything else without them except for what he needed to do himself. He was a very balanced character and, yea, I agree that he is the best version of the character we’ve seen so far.
Not only is this my favorite version of Robin, but it also has my favorite version of Nightwing, even though he only appears in one episode, but I love how long is forever's Nightwing.
Next to DCAU'S Robin/Nightwing and the comics.
Facts! Teen Titans is the best version of Dick Grayson. Including comics book lore.
I love the Teen Titans version. Robin in this show feels more competent than Batman in a way. Like he’s even more focused on preparedness and getting the job done. And this is inline with the fact that Batman sees him as his predecessor.
Absolutely. This version of Robin is one of my favorite DC characters of all time
Speedy and Robin are the tool coolest characters on the show and neither have powers, but the way they are animated conveys they are still strong
TT Robin is great for all of those reasons you gave but I think I slightly prefer YJ Robin however only because seeing his growth into Nightwing in later seasons. The not bringing Batman into TT also has a different element to it too, when Batman is present you do have a comparison between the two and his differences show and their relationship (that scene of them playing basketball I thought was great).
YJ explored have more of his psyche too and his growth was far more visible. (Him wanting to lead to the team more than anything and then him opening up how he expected to become Batman but realizing that he isn’t Bruce, he isn’t the same as him and wants different things) Now TT also had some of this growth but it was more subtitle until the movie Trouble in Tokyo.
But in my mind they’re both great, neither is bad, just personal taste thing.
Teen Titans didn't bring Batman into the show because they wanted to restrain Robin's and Titans story from the rest of DC cast. After all, Dick has finally got his own team and must prove himself as worthy leader, Batman and Bat-family would've been just a third wheel.
However, Batman did show up in Teen Titans 2003 comics which were kind of the finale after "Trouble in Tokyo" and unofficial season 6. When Robin finally let his emotions outside he finally separated his hero and teen life allowing himself to openly date with Starfire. Bruce was watching the whole thing from another building, which is creepy for adult man spying on 2 teens making out, but he finally accepted Robin grew up and can stand up for himself and his friends
To me, Teen Titans is so good, that I got hooked at watching more episodes after watching the very first episode.
The best part is this is the most comic accurate Dick Grayson. All the angst and anger you see from Jason Todd in the DVDs, that was based on Dick Grayson. Bro was a demon before he became Nightwing.
I betcha need no reasons to prove why he's the best... He is just ghe best I BELIEVE HE'D BE THE DEFINTION of PERFECT.... Yhe bestest character ever of dc... Luv him with mh whole heart... HE'S JUST ON ANOTHER LEVEL AND WHATEVER LEVEL I'LL ALWAYS LUV HIM......
He was more mellowed it in the 1984 comics. Hell, I'm sure he was even more chill in the OG Teen Titans with Wally, Aqualad, Speedy, and Wondergirl
I think it's more that Dick Grayson is a really good character, since I kinda prefer him as Nightwing. Not that the others are better as Robin, Dick is still the best, but Nightwing is like a good epilogue for him. I also quite enjoy him as Batman (with Damian as his Robin).
Favorite version is Young Justice.
But he wasn't Robin long enough. But it did both Robin & Nightwing.
Title of Video “Best Robin” not “Best Robin & Nightwing”
Teen titans is my fav version of titans, fav robin, fav deathstroke, and just overall one of my fav shows ever
I'd really love a show with Tim Drake's Robin as the focus (not supporting like in BTAS and YJ), preferably in his Red Robin N52 costume. He'a dedinitely the most underrated amongst his brothers.
Teen Titans 2003 Robin is my favorite version of the character.
Dick Grayson from teen titans is my favorite robin tbh
Teen Titans 2003 Robin have most superhuman feats
Young Justice Robin/Night Wing is highly underrated. Actually, Young Justice in general is highly underrated.
Young Justice Robin is actually Tim Drake. Nightwing is in the show.
@@Purgosmusic wrong, watch the show from the beginning. The first Robin is Dick Grayson, there’s a time skip in season 2 where he turns to Night Wing. Tim Drake appeared in season 2 as Robin.
@@ExoticZah but in comics dick grayson wasnt part as robin in young justice, just tim drake, in tv show's this changes
@@eljajOMG This video is talking about the young Justice cartoon.
@@ExoticZah i know, but the other comment is talking about the comic
This robin is perfect, in my opinion is also the best robin for batman. How he wanted him to be. It was surprising to see him in other shows , because I feel like the robbed him, they make him look weak and less interesting
I absolutely agree that this version of Robin was the best portrayed. However, not enough people talk about how a lot of his key defining traits were ripped straight from Tim Drake like his bo staff use, detective skills, and affinity for gadgets. As a result, Tim Drake was often portrayed as the kid brother figure instead of the prodigy who had the potential to out sleuth Batman
Dick was meant to represent what Batman would have been like if he put more energy towards his emotional intelligence and leadership skills. They definitely got that part right in his portrayals in Teen Titans and Young Justice.
Robin for me was always the most skilled titan and the red x saga proved it early on. He was wholly himself all while being in my head near batman level being more serious than the others
Teen Titans Robin is really great though I do feel like against Trigon Robin would've called the League realizing too much is at risk plus the League would've shown up in their own
Great video! I absolute agree with you bro 👍
you want to have a better life then the old man's take care of the people that love you tt robin does that without being batmanand without being bruce's clone he's wat batman wanted the next generation to be
Teen titans and batman the animated series robin are my favorite ever versions of robin, that's the robin i grew up with, and that's why dick grayson will always be my favorite robin no matter what
I agree with you bro 👍
Besides best Robin here is Richard Dick Grayson from Teen titans 2003. There is also a cute star fire, Raven and best badass slade... . .
As a kid I always held out hope that Batman would eventually appear on Teen Titans.
Yo I think teen Titans should have a crossover with TMNT 2003
TT has a great robin and I love everything they do with the character, expecially with how competent he's shown alongside his super powered friends. However I wouldn't say he's my favorite because I think Dick Grayson needs a little more levity. Not that Dick is a goofball, I absolutely like making him more serious to show how Bruce has raised him, but robin is supposed to be the ray of sunshine to counter Batman's darkness.
The animated shows have all done a pretty good job with dick with one exception. The Batman(2004) and BTAS both nail the Batman and Robin dynamic with the former being more energetic while the latter is more seasoned. Young Justice has a pretty amazing dick Grayson with him being competent yet flawed and so much fun to watch, he's cocky and arrogant yet smart and calculating and is in my opinion the best robin to date.
I'd say the DCAMU is the only one that kidna drops the ball and I still love this dick Grayson. He's now Nightwing and I love him in Judas Contract where he's depicted similar to his young justice counterpart. Also Dick x Kory is so much more interesting than him with Barbara and I will die on this hill. The only problem with this depiction is how much his ass gets handed to him.
So the perfect robin would have the Teen Titans leadership, BTAS's dynamic duo, the Batman's energy, young justices character writing, and DCAMU's maturity. The perfect dick Grayson is inspiring and compassionate but can get caught up in his own head. A robin that can lead a team with his intellect and comradery while still being an anchor for Batman to keep him grounded in his goal. Dick Grayson is the perfect combination of Batman and Superman.
This Version of Robin is my favorite Version of him
Dick Grayson, more like Dick Raisin', am I right? (I have an unhealthy obsession with Nightwing)
Is it me or does the batman 2004 robin looks like Robin from teen Titans 2003 when you said the batman Robin is more childish but the teen Titans Robin is mature I have a headcanon that the batman is a prequel to teen titans show what do you think.
I actually see that too. I think the art style is pretty close hinted at something. In fact I think there's comics where The Batman worked with the TItans.
This Robin does shit like hang upside down in the dark to make a dramatic entrance when the bad guy flips on the light😂 He really is actually a very believable version of Robin all things considered because he’s almost too mature for his age because he never had a normal childhood with Bruce; like the things he has seen and done and had on his shoulders before have given him the sense of responsibility that Batman would have instilled in him, meaning, a little bit more self-blame than is purely healthy. But this Robin is obviously very recently split from Bruce and is on bad terms. Which is exactly how it happened in the comics. Their split was ugly and they didn’t talk for over a year. Jason’s entire tenure as Robin came and went without Dick talking to Bruce. The canonical rift between them was extreme and almost permanent. Tim was the one that basically forced them to make nice with one another, and by that time Dick was obviously going by Nightwing and had long since abandoned his title as Boy Wonder.
You excluded Batman Brave and The Bold and I think that was the right choice. Does Robin even count as a true character in that show? He gets what, two appearances as Robin and one as Nightwing? Idk. But he’s just not….really a full-fleshed out Robin in that show.
One of the writers that wrote young justice comic and Tim drake was also the person that wrote teen titans
So they basically used the young justice comics as inspiration for the show
Taking a lot from young justice robin(Tim drake) when writing this version
Young justice is the closest to accurate representation of Dick Grayson robin just modernize while this version is literally Tim drake but more edgy and brutal
Wholeheartedly agree with this take
This Robin really is Batman Jr.
People forget without Grayson there's no wally west , Roy harper, Bucky Barnes teen titans etc he gave DC and marvel the idea to make side kicks and prove that they work that's why tons of the big side kicks where made and based of him without him Spiderman may not of been what he is or as popular
For what its worth this video inspired me to get a robin tatoo batman is so cool but so dark too❤❤❤
I don't know, personally I think Dick Grayson in YJ was a much better representation of Dick. Unfortunately, his representation on Robin was short-lived, but overall as Dick Grayson it's the best version, it best represented Dick as to why he became the better version of Batman and surpassed him in many ways.
Nice vid
You're not automatically correct, your opinion is just the one and only one that matters on this channel.
The robin in teen titans is Dick Grayson? He seems so serious
This Dick Grayson is alot like the him in the New Teen Titan comics where he was more serious. Also, people like to use the fact that Drake is the smartest Robin to dumb down Dick way too much.
That's because this Robin is inspired by Tim Drake, they him Tim's bo staff, his pants, his seriousness, his smarts and tech.
@@mattblazefire7999It's been stated numerous times that Tim is the smartest Robin, also people are just tired of Dick getting all of Tim characteristics that made Robin popular in the first place.
Young justice Robin is actually Tim Drake. Dick is Nightwing in that show.
Season 1 has Dick as Robin
I agree with everything you just said
I mean he was supposed to become an elite court of owls ninja. I wouldnt be surprised if he was genetically enhanced and basically their chosen one.
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This version of Robin even surpasses a lot of versions of Batman
Yo Robin should have electric gloves🔥 As a suit power
Fr they did nightwing dirty in judas contract
Dick Grayson is the Best Robin to me
GothamPaladin I love robin in teen titans please comment to me in respond
I agree this is by far the best Robin ever created!!! And the best Speedy is the one from Young Justince
Best version of Starfire too.
Robin in the teen titans show is a representation of how batman should've been
Young Justice Dick Grayson >> Teen Titans Dick Grayson
I Love both, both shows are the best version of him, but as a Comic Reader and Fan for years. YJ is the most close to his comic counterpart imo.
Or more so, I think I agree with someone in some other video I watched, TT is the Best Robin but YJ is the best Dick Grayson what means Best Nightwing since Nightwing is Dick's best self.
I'd say Teen Titans 2003 series creators never really focused too much on Titans real identities, all of that was more for reference use. They needed to make their heroes personas more obvious for kids, but at the same time these characters grew and changed just like their audience.
I found it really strange people wanted to know about villians backstories, have bigger scales than just saving Jump City when Teen Titans is completely different from shows like BTAS or Justice League Unlimited. All the threats serve as a tool to cover Titans personal and team conflicts. Having a complex 6-parter story wouldn't just give them air to expand on their personalities and acceptance of their limits and insecurities. And villians like Joker or Starro weren't needed at all.
I heard the version of him in the Batman teen titans and young justice is all the same universe
I thought young justice’s Robin was Tim Drake? Honestly I was under the impression this whole time that the original Teen Titans Robin was Tim as well.
The original Young Justice Robin in the first season is Dick Grayson like the Teen Titans Robin they both become Nightwing in the future.But from season 2 onwards the Young Justice Robin is Tim Drake, Jason Todd is Robin sometime during the time skip between seasons 1 and 2.
I thought Tim Drake was the Robin used in teen titans, with use of the bo staff.
Nah. It's dick grayson. You see a flashback of his parents falling off the trapeze when raven tries to enter his mind and look through his eyes
Nope! It was Dick Grayson, this robin became Nightwing in the future and mentioned things like the flying Grayson in his origin. I can definitely see why you would think that though
Dick used the staff too, but Tim did use it the most. But yea this version is Dick Grayson.
Yeah, besides in the future he becomes Nightwing
I agree that TT robin is the best character named robin but the other two robins are more accurate portrayals of dick grayson Robin. TT robin is more of a fusion of batman and robin.... which is great.
I kind of wish that dick in this show came far enough to become nightwing
Wasn't the first robin jason?
No, Jason was the second, after dick, then tim and damian.
Young justice Robin is Tim Drake, not Dick Grayson
Isn't the young justice robin tim drake and not dick ??
Dick was Robin first in Young Justice. Tim Drake showed up afterwards when Dick took up the mantle of Nightwing.
he becomes Nightwing later
not gonna lie robin is more likely spidermans side character lel
might sound crazy but i think gohan from dragon ball and grayson r so similar
The teen titans Robin is not Dick Grayson. That would be me. 😮😢 I don't like the other Robin's there's only two. Me and Damian
nah, young justice robin (dick grayson not tim) is the best
He's 2nd best
Jason better
Ngl i love yj dick grayson in the first season