Toshiba has been making LTO batteries for over 30 years. I bought 40 batteries out of 1991 Honda Fits that were still holding a minimum of 97% of original charge. I am using them on my off-grid farm in North Idaho. I had to build a new system after my previous system using LIPO caught fire from charging them at -29C that was too cold to be charging them. I have charged my LTO battery bank as low as - 52C without any problems. In the winter months my battery bank stays fully charged due to the high C rate.
This is EXTREMELY interesting!! The high intensity heat when a Lipo battery flames out is tremendously frightening!! I can't imagine if all our vehicles were running standard modern lithium batteries.
Well I can copy and paste that also but just because a company selling LTO batteries says something doesn't always mean its true. However in this case it may very well be true.
LTO cells are good in the buses as they can be charged quickly when picking up people at the bus stop every few miles. I do use the 30AH * 2.3v cells for solar storage at home as I wanted a safe battery. I ordered direct from China to Uk which took about 12 weeks to be delivered. Worked out a lot cheaper than buying them in the Uk. I got 48 in total, each one holding up to 69watts, very heavy so no good for cars. I ordered in 3 batches when we had Brexit and customs rules and fees had been relaxed so I did not have to pay any taxes or import duties. 2 of the cells have leaked.
because it is 1) very heavy. 2) LTO has upper & lower voltages of 2.9 V & 1.5 V , needing separate cut off systems to protect over charge / over discharge & also fully utilise its capacity. you simply can't replace a 72 volt Li ion / Lead Acid system with a 72 V LTO system.
@@pravindahiya719 Yes, so my point is valid. LTO is not something Elon is reveling as the end of Lithium which is what the title is suggesting. False title to the video so that people will watch but has nothing to do with Elon/Tesla. Therefore, not worthy of subscribing.
Just started dabbling with LTO. Mainly for cold climate concerns without requiring a heating element for safe charging. Otherwise LiFeP04 is better. Both in density and price. Also their voltage is much lower so you do need to rethink your layout.
This has the potential to make cross country trips in an EV!!! You can charge it in the same time frame as filling a gasoline tank on your car. It also makes a solar powered home more affordable without having to replace batteries every 5-7 years and eliminates the inherent fire risk associated with Li batteries. Their ability to dump large quantities of energy quickly also makes it possible to use in a shop where machinery like welders are used. The biggest challenge will be finding solar panels that will produce more efficient electricity per square meter of surface to keep the batteries recharged without requiring a large field of panels to do so!!
These batteries are closer to supercapacitors than batteries in charge and discharge characteristics. Combine them with a conventional deep cycle tech to give a high energy punch when and where needed. Solar pump starting is one example.
You're missing out. by the time this turns up I'll be on my pension. whizzing about at the moment in my Tesla M3 and my Jaguar I-Pace. Both cars are 3+ years old and no degradation to notice. I've been driving EVs for 8 years. I could never go back....
Those LTO cells are great for high discharge. I made a 12V pack of them for testing and comparison. They make a great starting battery for gasoline or diesel engines. As far as for a BEV? You would need a trailer behind your tow vehicle to power it. Just waaay to low on density.
@@mal7344 its not true . They actually use the cells in buses and in heavy equipment often in China and they are also sold in EV cars in certain regions Mitsubishi uses them in their cars so what this guy is saying is untrue
Yes, LTO batteries have a lower energy density than other types of batteries, just 177 Watt hours per kilogram. Whereas CATL claim to be producing other batteries with 500 Wh/Kg.
The lithium is needed because batteries are needed not because people like using lithium. Which means that longer term the Sodium-ion batteries are likely to do well at least for a while.
LTO battery may be a long lasting battery but the disadvantage is its low energy density. It is about 110 Wh/kg while CATL is coming with it's 500 Wh/kg battery. So LTO battery won't break anything !!!
Why even talk about this video? It's full of mistakes dumber than a bag full of wet hammers: "which is 60 times more than competitive lithium-ion technology like *lead acid* ... "
UA-cam is an endless conveyor belt where you read today of the breakthrough that breaks everything that was a breakthrough yesterday but is inevitably doomed to be broken itself tomorrow. So it goes on. if we could power the world on this youtube clickbait breakthrough huff and puff we would have no problems.
I used them for different applications but mostly for high draw units like car amps, communication, inverters likes them, very stable and safe. They can fail if the batteries are not balanced before assembly, a bit pricey but worth it on the long hull. 808 back out
I have been running the 40ah Yinlong cells in 6S 3P in my car for about 4.5 years now. They are amazing! With about 1,000 amp draw, they only drop about .2 volts. I have a pretty big car audio system.
I'm excited about the potential of LTO (Lithium Titanate Oxide) batteries. As we make progress in improving their energy density and battery size, LTO has the potential to revolutionize the energy storage landscape. Since 2018, I've been closely following the developments in this field, and it seems like we are getting closer to realizing their full potential. It's truly remarkable to imagine a battery that not only offers enhanced safety by eliminating the risks of smoking or ignition but also recharges within just 10 minutes - the perfect time to grab a coffee. LTO batteries hold great promise for delivering high power output, quick response times, and frequent charging cycles. As we continue to advance the technology and scale up production, we can anticipate further improvements in energy density and cost-effectiveness. LTO batteries truly have the potential to be a game-changer in various industries and applications. Just need the cost to be lower to install as a Home PV battery.
Fully charged in 10 minutes sounds great and lasting 82 years is icing on the cake, but you didn't mention range. If you can only go around the black before your out of juice, that's not so good. If you can fully charge in ten minutes and have a range of 750 miles plus. Now your talking!!
Range isn't a function of battery chemistry but battery capacity. For the same mass or volume these will not get as much range as a standard lithium ion. Range is over emphasized 100 miles is completely adequate for most peoples everyday use.
There are pros and cons in everything in life, this video should have mentionned the cons to be fair. And the question is: why Tesla didn't put them in their vehicles sooner if it's in use in China since 2015?
😊 yeah the New York times has the most recent publication to turn over its editorial column to the aerospace engineers that created the company for several years now helping Toshiba with toshiba's provide their selves specifically to micromobility including electric bicycles and especially UNICYCLES. AFTER MANY MIDDLEMAN AND MARCUS IT'S JUST THREE FIGURES EXTRA OP THE BIKES THAT ARE OFTEN OVER$10,000. SCHWINN UNDERSTOOD THE VALUE OF A SMALL ELECTRIC BATTERY FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T PEDDLE UPHILL WHICH IS BASICALLY EVERYBODY IN PLACES LIKE SAN FRANCISCO IF YOU WANT TO GO FASTER THAN WALKING SPEED. But is this video Mansions once the audience which was my bike buyers saw the battery cell it was pulled from the micro mobility market and all but Japan. So imagine our fellow mammals flying small or not bats. To the car industry they can be vampires indeed. The Google AI system provides a link p to the website of Mazda to prove that it is using the Toshiba Titan aid batteries for the Mazda SUV in the United Kingdom & Bard also says that although it's not produced by Toshiba several German e-bike makers since 2020 have used LTo. Like the maker of this video Google is delusional however. Don't believe something is true just because they give you a website they provided a website because people provide websites when they're trying to prove something and has nothing to do with whether what you're trying to prove exists. It is possible because it is the way it should be. I don't know about the figures at the beginning of this video they seem completely based upon actual cost of holding overtime. Titanium is not cheap and its price as little to do with nanocrystals of its oxide it's your mainly a similar-sounding name. The specifications that I provide in this video are not for Toshiba not for its past. Toshiba's excellence requires a company like zapbatt. Please support.
Tesla is building a Lithium refinery outside of Corpus Christi Texas right now. They broke ground about a week ago. You even showed a picture of it when talking about Nevada. LOL
You're correct. In fact, Tesla was very open to experimentation for developing and using its own batteries. The opening of the battery factory in Texas, which performs a variety of functions in addition to manufacturing batteries and refining materials. For example, it is a specialized location for conducting research on novel batteries in the future- not just for lithium batteries.
This must be the holy grail of battery production. I don't see how it can be improved upon. The only thing that remains is for Western countries to manufacture the batteries themselves. We really must stop relying on China to sell us our own technology.
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I noticed many commentors picked up on the same mistakes I did. Beyond the obvious, this chemistry has been available for quite some time. The presenters use the term Tesla or Elon musk to get our attention when most if the time Tesla is not really directly involved with the specific tec.
If there are used in China, what does the United States so long to catch on? I think it be great for cars power chairs in all sorts of things let’s get them going.
Somebody doesn't realize the price of Lithium is dropping like a rock. One of the reasons is due to the practical use of Sodium-ion batteries in Chery vehicles and soon the Zeekr. Renders use of LTO lab batteries immaterial.
I like the recharge times but will the range improve, and what about the cost in weight are they lighter or heavier. These important questions need to be answered.
you can't charge at 10 minutes on a regular basis. will give 20,000 cycles only if charged / discharged at 2C ( i.e. half an hour ). it is very heavy , having a charge density of 76 wh / kg as compared to 200-300 Wh / kg for NMC / LFP cells.
@David Rapp charging / discharging @ 10 C is possible but only for very short durations & also at a cost of reduced life cycles. LTO gives 20,000 cycles at 2C.
@@pravindahiya719 you're right with the cycles at this fast charging, but I guess most of the people would still charge at home - slowly. And only on big trips like going on holidays or just some long trip you would use that 10min charging.
10 min to recharge ..... that's much better, now I can at last look at an EV...!!! Now let's hope it goes into the EV market .......... like ...... yesterday as I'm in the mood to buy any EV that takes 4 hours to charge...!!!
Once we reach a circular economy lithium may not need to come out of the ground/water. Sure, that could take 40+ years as we're finding more and more products to make & those pesky batteries are lasting too long in cars as well as in 2nd life .... 2nd life means sodium batteries are getting a leg up
The newest Lithium ion batteries have 5 times the energy capacity of LTO............That will mean 600 miles for the newest lithium.....110 for LTO..............How are You going to sell THIS.!.????...............Paul
@@avibhagan you flipped the two by mistake. LTO has 76 Wh / kg , Li ion ( NMC ) have 250-300 Wh / kg. CATL one of the biggest producer of NMC is claiming to start production ( already lab tested etc done ) of new NMC cells with 500+ Wh/kg.
Building a battery to age inside a car, or a car that ages around a battery is a stupid idea in the first place, the future is swapping! Whether that be swapping the whole battery, or electrodes is up to debate. This has a whole plethora of advantages, such as making it independent of the car value, safety in case of fires is better when you can isolate the battery, being able to store energy from green sources, zero charging time for the end user, lower vehicle weight if you can choose a light battery for daily grocery hauling, and a heavier one only when longer rides are required. High speed charging also puts massive load on the electrical net, it just does not make sense to do that for a large amount of vehicles...period....
Toshiba SCiB, YinLong batteries and Mitsubishi iMiEV and Citroen C-Zero was the cars with LTO batteries as well as TfL busses from BYD were using LTO batteries as well for years.
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No those are regular lithium polymer pouch cells. They even say 3.6 or sometimes 3.7 volts on them. I've dissected dozens of different types all had regular pouch cells.
Lots of the usual bull about cost and recharging time. However, what they don't tell you is that very few public chargers can handle that sort of fast charge and of course the silence over the range these batteries offer is deafening. Despite this so called miracle advance, an EV is still only for the gullible with big pockets that have bought into this net zet zero nonsense.
with 20,000 cycles , the batteries won't need a replacement . so , they are for the masses. disadvantage is - very heavy i.e. short ranges. can't charge in 6 minutes as claimed - will reduce life.
Great video thanks for the update. So, LTO is just a slightly better (liquid Lithium Battery). No improvement in density. I want double the density and fast recharge. Elon needs to do better than this. Basically, a side grade. Welp, I guess I will continue to save up for a Toyota, they will sell solid state EV starting 2025 last I checked.
It is certain that Tesla will optimize its LTO battery further in the near future and that it won't just stop at the current level of energy density and charging capacity.
The limit to which a battery will accept a fast recharge is not always relevant. The limit is likely to depend on how heavy the charging cables and connectors can be. Then too, the power lines to the charging stations would be a factor. Thus I doubt that recharging an electric car in 10 minutes would be practical.
As you can see, the demand for lithium is extremely strong across all industries. The global market for lithium is roughly 7 billion units, but it is expected to expand at a CAGR of 15.7% between 2022 and 2030. As a result, its current price will almost certainly skyrocket.
What is the cost of a LTO battery pack replacement in a Tesla? Like for like. I found four LTO barrettes to cost of $600 US. I think size is a problem too.
why mislead ? ( by combining different features which can't be combined practically ). 1) they can dis / charge at 10 C , BUT for very short periods. 2) gives 20,000 cycles ONLY if charged & discharged at 2C ( i.e. fully charge / discharge in 30 minutes ). 3) if charged / discharged at higher rates , their lifecycle is decreased.
This will clearly help us with our mobile devices, (tablet & smartphone), because charging may come down to a mere 10-minute charge instead of 2-hours from empty. As far as electric cars are concerned, they have serious problems in the middle of winter in say Michigan. That problem will end up not being a problem. I've never had a lithium-ion battery explode orgo into thermal runaway, but I know people this has happened to. This is where the electric car will come into it's own, when charging times significantly drop and sustained output in a very large temperature bracket will now be possible.
This is great, so how do i get my hands on some for my bike? Can i go to a Tesla show room and order a box? Probably not so until they are on sale and i can buy some it's pie in the sky.
Centigrade is a temperature measurement system where there are 100 steps. Celsius is a centigrade system that uses the freezing point of (fresh) water as 0˚ and the boiling point of water (at sea level) as 100˚
Naw, they are the same. Celsius invented the centigrade scale specifically bookended by those points, and it was later named in his honor. Centigrade: " relating to, conforming to, or having a thermometer scale on which the interval between the freezing and boiling points of water is divided into 100 degrees with 0° representing the freezing point and 100° the boiling point." Merriam-Webster
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you find these yinlong things in the BMW evolution c electric scooter the result is : expensive bike ,verry heavy MF ,and range to 100 miles max , the battery is good they do not have to replace them a lot, the riding wind cooles the battery while driving and a ventilator in the battery starts cooling during charging ,so noisy indoors
Because LTO batteries are flexible and small in size, this is feasible. To meet your demands, you can design them into your battery system. In reality, you may see it being utilized as a battery bank in solar cell systems installed on slopes or in deserts in the highlands throughout America.
LTO batteries are not being made or used by Tesla and in fact Tesla has been championing LFP or Lithium Iron Phosphate as its next gen battery. Also, you might note that the market for Titanium is dominated by our China. Overall, this does not seem a win and either sodium or Iron Phosphate would be more advantageous chemistries from a supply flexibility perspective.
Given the energy density of a LTO battery in comparason with the LI-ION it would be 1/3 of the current range, because LTO has 110Wh per kg and LI-ION 270Wh per kg energy density factor
Its energy density is pittiful. Its charging efficiency is same as lead acid(pitiful). You will not see this in a car unless there is a MASSIVE breathrough in the type of battery.
@@pravindahiya719 there is no exact energy density it may vary depending on the production process but the top density for this chemistry is around 110Wh per kg at the moment
I was good until about 12 min in. Not flamable at all? They still have lithium which burns when in contact with water. How does adding titanium reduce the cost again?
Mostly gibberish. Comparing price per pound is meaningless. Lots of pics of Chinese batteries but talking about Tesla factories in the USA. The titanate lifetime is not proven, it’s extrapolated. The cost of titanium can only rise with the demand. The charge time depends on expensive chargers and a high-current link to a major power line. Not for home use. They have some advantages. Only actual use will teach us if the advantages are worth the low voltage.
Toshiba is producing LTO. 20,000 cycles are proven ( at 2C rate of charge / discharge ). they are fair in displaying everything openly unlike Yinlong. 5C for short durations & 10 C for VERY short durations is possible . faster dis/ charging reduces the cycle life. Yinlong has an energy density of 76 Wh/ kg ; Toshiba has lower.
Toshiba has been making LTO batteries for over 30 years. I bought 40 batteries out of 1991 Honda Fits that were still holding a minimum of 97% of original charge. I am using them on my off-grid farm in North Idaho. I had to build a new system after my previous system using LIPO caught fire from charging them at -29C that was too cold to be charging them. I have charged my LTO battery bank as low as - 52C without any problems. In the winter months my battery bank stays fully charged due to the high C rate.
This is EXTREMELY interesting!! The high intensity heat when a Lipo battery flames out is tremendously frightening!! I can't imagine if all our vehicles were running standard modern lithium batteries.
Why did Honda Fits have LTO batteries in them?
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@@paulrubright5075 ??? I don't understand your comment...
Us car audio guys love using this battery!!!
Well I can copy and paste that also but just because a company selling LTO batteries says something doesn't always mean its true. However in this case it may very well be true.
LTO cells are good in the buses as they can be charged quickly when picking up people at the bus stop every few miles. I do use the 30AH * 2.3v cells for solar storage at home as I wanted a safe battery. I ordered direct from China to Uk which took about 12 weeks to be delivered. Worked out a lot cheaper than buying them in the Uk. I got 48 in total, each one holding up to 69watts, very heavy so no good for cars. I ordered in 3 batches when we had Brexit and customs rules and fees had been relaxed so I did not have to pay any taxes or import duties. 2 of the cells have leaked.
I suspected there was a drawback.
can you please tell more about the leaks !
i was also looking for safer batteries with high number of cycles .
Thanks.
please can you give me your personal contact number for more info and discuss on lithium
@@thegeneralist7527 leaking cells are either due to shipping or bad cells to begin with. Many China suppliers sell cells that are to be recycled
@@pravindahiya719 they will leak when being overcharged! This happened to me, because a failure of charge controller
A typical UA-cam video makes everything sound so good and never tells the other side. On the market for over 8 years and auto makers still not using
because it is 1) very heavy.
2) LTO has upper & lower voltages of 2.9 V & 1.5 V , needing separate cut off systems to protect over charge / over discharge & also fully utilise its capacity.
you simply can't replace a 72 volt Li ion / Lead Acid system with a 72 V LTO system.
@@pravindahiya719 Yes, so my point is valid. LTO is not something Elon is reveling as the end of Lithium which is what the title is suggesting. False title to the video so that people will watch but has nothing to do with Elon/Tesla. Therefore, not worthy of subscribing.
Just started dabbling with LTO. Mainly for cold climate concerns without requiring a heating element for safe charging. Otherwise LiFeP04 is better. Both in density and price. Also their voltage is much lower so you do need to rethink your layout.
This has the potential to make cross country trips in an EV!!! You can charge it in the same time frame as filling a gasoline tank on your car. It also makes a solar powered home more affordable without having to replace batteries every 5-7 years and eliminates the inherent fire risk associated with Li batteries. Their ability to dump large quantities of energy quickly also makes it possible to use in a shop where machinery like welders are used. The biggest challenge will be finding solar panels that will produce more efficient electricity per square meter of surface to keep the batteries recharged without requiring a large field of panels to do so!!
These batteries are closer to supercapacitors than batteries in charge and discharge characteristics. Combine them with a conventional deep cycle tech to give a high energy punch when and where needed. Solar pump starting is one example.
that's why I'm waiting to buy an EV until this new battery tech is available
You're missing out. by the time this turns up I'll be on my pension. whizzing about at the moment in my Tesla M3 and my Jaguar I-Pace. Both cars are 3+ years old and no degradation to notice. I've been driving EVs for 8 years. I could never go back....
Those LTO cells are great for high discharge. I made a 12V pack of them for testing and comparison. They make a great starting battery for gasoline or diesel engines. As far as for a BEV? You would need a trailer behind your tow vehicle to power it. Just waaay to low on density.
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I just ordered a ready-made pack from Jeffs for my UPS. Can't wait.
That Doesn't Seem To Be A True Statement
@@mal7344 its not true . They actually use the cells in buses and in heavy equipment often in China and they are also sold in EV cars in certain regions Mitsubishi uses them in their cars so what this guy is saying is untrue
Yes, LTO batteries have a lower energy density than other types of batteries, just 177 Watt hours per kilogram.
Whereas CATL claim to be producing other batteries with 500 Wh/Kg.
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The lithium is needed because batteries are needed not because people like using lithium. Which means that longer term the Sodium-ion batteries are likely to do well at least for a while.
LTO battery may be a long lasting battery but the disadvantage is its low energy density. It is about 110 Wh/kg while CATL is coming with it's 500 Wh/kg battery. So LTO battery won't break anything !!!
For stationary usage is where the real value is.
Why even talk about this video? It's full of mistakes dumber than a bag full of wet hammers:
"which is 60 times more than competitive lithium-ion technology like *lead acid* ... "
The main disadvantage of LTO is the high price due to titanate, which is much more expensive than iron in LFP.
UA-cam is an endless conveyor belt where you read today of the breakthrough that breaks everything that was a breakthrough yesterday but is inevitably doomed to be broken itself tomorrow. So it goes on. if we could power the world on this youtube clickbait breakthrough huff and puff we would have no problems.
@@-danR yes I felt the presenter was not familiar with the subject!
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I wish the batteries were made in the USA.
Let confident! In our commercialized market, whenever you need it, it will be ready to serve your requirement wherever it is manufactured.
I used them for different applications but mostly for high draw units like car amps, communication, inverters likes them, very stable and safe. They can fail if the batteries are not balanced before assembly, a bit pricey but worth it on the long hull. 808 back out
I have been running the 40ah Yinlong cells in 6S 3P in my car for about 4.5 years now. They are amazing! With about 1,000 amp draw, they only drop about .2 volts. I have a pretty big car audio system.
This battery technology looks very promising. I look forward to never hearing about it again.
I already have them so...
They've been out for years and Musk had zero to do with it.
Lexus is way ahead of you with this new battery.
Elon will be the one to beat the resat again
I'm excited about the potential of LTO (Lithium Titanate Oxide) batteries. As we make progress in improving their energy density and battery size, LTO has the potential to revolutionize the energy storage landscape.
Since 2018, I've been closely following the developments in this field, and it seems like we are getting closer to realizing their full potential. It's truly remarkable to imagine a battery that not only offers enhanced safety by eliminating the risks of smoking or ignition but also recharges within just 10 minutes - the perfect time to grab a coffee.
LTO batteries hold great promise for delivering high power output, quick response times, and frequent charging cycles. As we continue to advance the technology and scale up production, we can anticipate further improvements in energy density and cost-effectiveness. LTO batteries truly have the potential to be a game-changer in various industries and applications.
Just need the cost to be lower to install as a Home PV battery.
will last long ONLY if charged / discharged at 2C i.e. ( 30 minutes, not 6 minutes ).
can dis / charge at 10 C but for very short durations.
@@pravindahiya719 Good to know!
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Fully charged in 10 minutes sounds great and lasting 82 years is icing on the cake, but you didn't mention range. If you can only go around the black before your out of juice, that's not so good. If you can fully charge in ten minutes and have a range of 750 miles plus. Now your talking!!
Range isn't a function of battery chemistry but battery capacity.
For the same mass or volume these will not get as much range as a standard lithium ion.
Range is over emphasized 100 miles is completely adequate for most peoples everyday use.
There are pros and cons in everything in life, this video should have mentionned the cons to be fair. And the question is: why Tesla didn't put them in their vehicles sooner if it's in use in China since 2015?
heavy ! o.k. for buses , not for cars in the USA ( needing looong ranges ).
I'm wondering if these LTO batteries will be available for e-bikes?
😊 yeah the New York times has the most recent publication to turn over its editorial column to the aerospace engineers that created the company for several years now helping Toshiba with toshiba's provide their selves specifically to micromobility including electric bicycles and especially UNICYCLES.
AFTER MANY MIDDLEMAN AND MARCUS IT'S JUST THREE FIGURES EXTRA OP THE BIKES THAT ARE OFTEN OVER$10,000.
SCHWINN UNDERSTOOD THE VALUE OF A SMALL ELECTRIC BATTERY FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T PEDDLE UPHILL WHICH IS BASICALLY EVERYBODY IN PLACES LIKE SAN FRANCISCO IF YOU WANT TO GO FASTER THAN WALKING SPEED.
But is this video Mansions once the audience which was my bike buyers saw the battery cell it was pulled from the micro mobility market and all but Japan.
So imagine our fellow mammals flying small or not bats.
To the car industry they can be vampires indeed.
The Google AI system provides a link p to the website of Mazda to prove that it is using the Toshiba Titan aid batteries for the Mazda SUV in the United Kingdom & Bard also says that although it's not produced by Toshiba several German e-bike makers since 2020 have used LTo.
Like the maker of this video Google is delusional however.
Don't believe something is true just because they give you a website they provided a website because people provide websites when they're trying to prove something and has nothing to do with whether what you're trying to prove exists.
It is possible because it is the way it should be.
I don't know about the figures at the beginning of this video they seem completely based upon actual cost of holding overtime.
Titanium is not cheap and its price as little to do with nanocrystals of its oxide it's your mainly a similar-sounding name.
The specifications that I provide in this video are not for Toshiba not for its past.
Toshiba's excellence requires a company like zapbatt.
Please support.
the BMW C evolution scooter uses them
Tesla is building a Lithium refinery outside of Corpus Christi Texas right now. They broke ground about a week ago. You even showed a picture of it when talking about Nevada. LOL
You're correct. In fact, Tesla was very open to experimentation for developing and using its own batteries. The opening of the battery factory in Texas, which performs a variety of functions in addition to manufacturing batteries and refining materials. For example, it is a specialized location for conducting research on novel batteries in the future- not just for lithium batteries.
This must be the holy grail of battery production.
I don't see how it can be improved upon.
The only thing that remains is for Western countries to manufacture the batteries themselves.
We really must stop relying on China to sell us our own technology.
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Elon had nothing to do with these batteries.
I noticed many commentors picked up on the same mistakes I did. Beyond the obvious, this chemistry has been available for quite some time. The presenters use the term Tesla or Elon musk to get our attention when most if the time Tesla is not really directly involved with the specific tec.
If there are used in China, what does the United States so long to catch on? I think it be great for cars power chairs in all sorts of things let’s get them going.
Somebody doesn't realize the price of Lithium is dropping like a rock. One of the reasons is due to the practical use of Sodium-ion batteries in Chery vehicles and soon the Zeekr. Renders use of LTO lab batteries immaterial.
I like the recharge times but will the range improve, and what about the cost in weight are they lighter or heavier. These important questions need to be answered.
LTO has low energy density so with the range, not really. About the weight to size Im not sure.
you can't charge at 10 minutes on a regular basis.
will give 20,000 cycles only if charged / discharged at 2C ( i.e. half an hour ).
it is very heavy , having a charge density of 76 wh / kg as compared to 200-300 Wh / kg for NMC / LFP cells.
@David Rapp charging / discharging @ 10 C is possible but only for very short durations & also at a cost of reduced life cycles.
LTO gives 20,000 cycles at 2C.
@@pravindahiya719 you're right with the cycles at this fast charging, but I guess most of the people would still charge at home - slowly. And only on big trips like going on holidays or just some long trip you would use that 10min charging.
10 min to recharge ..... that's much better, now I can at last look at an EV...!!! Now let's hope it goes into the EV market .......... like ......
yesterday as I'm in the mood to buy any EV that takes 4 hours to charge...!!!
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Dano już istniały super i ultra kondensatory a teraz nastaje przyszłość ich istnienia .
With longer lasting batteries there will be fewer replacements and thus lithium reserves will last longer.
Once we reach a circular economy lithium may not need to come out of the ground/water. Sure, that could take 40+ years as we're finding more and more products to make & those pesky batteries are lasting too long in cars as well as in 2nd life .... 2nd life means sodium batteries are getting a leg up
Definite great stationary power system to say the least!
The newest Lithium ion batteries have 5 times the energy capacity of LTO............That will mean 600 miles for the newest lithium.....110 for LTO..............How are You going to sell THIS.!.????...............Paul
Dude.
LTO = the new Lithium Ion battery that has 5x capacity of of Li ion batteries .
LTO is the new lithium ion battery.
Do not forget the ~75% charge efficiency. ... They also discharge themselves fairly rapidly if I remember correctly...
@@avibhagan you flipped the two by mistake.
LTO has 76 Wh / kg , Li ion ( NMC ) have 250-300 Wh / kg.
CATL one of the biggest producer of NMC is claiming to start production ( already lab tested etc done ) of new NMC cells with 500+ Wh/kg.
Building a battery to age inside a car, or a car that ages around a battery is a stupid idea in the first place, the future is swapping! Whether that be swapping the whole battery, or electrodes is up to debate. This has a whole plethora of advantages, such as making it independent of the car value, safety in case of fires is better when you can isolate the battery, being able to store energy from green sources, zero charging time for the end user, lower vehicle weight if you can choose a light battery for daily grocery hauling, and a heavier one only when longer rides are required. High speed charging also puts massive load on the electrical net, it just does not make sense to do that for a large amount of vehicles...period....
Thanks for your idea!
love the idea
Toshiba SCiB, YinLong batteries and Mitsubishi iMiEV and Citroen C-Zero was the cars with LTO batteries as well as TfL busses from BYD were using LTO batteries as well for years.
Love lto
We're initiatiating micro step to filled the journey to universe and exile to second earth for more wisdom to stored infinite minds principles and laws to follows.
But never neglect the GOOD DEEDS where its based. From the beginning to SAVES MORE LIVES.
Nice..
is this company being traded on NASDAQ? if so whats the ticker?
As far as we study, Yinlong Energy Ltd is not traded on NASDAQ.
thanks.
Did you know LTO batteries are used in disposable electronic cigarettes? Because of thier low leakage rate and high current output capacity.
No those are regular lithium polymer pouch cells.
They even say 3.6 or sometimes 3.7 volts on them.
I've dissected dozens of different types all had regular pouch cells.
Lots of the usual bull about cost and recharging time. However, what they don't tell you is that very few public chargers can handle that sort of fast charge and of course the silence over the range these batteries offer is deafening. Despite this so called miracle advance, an EV is still only for the gullible with big pockets that have bought into this net zet zero nonsense.
with 20,000 cycles , the batteries won't need a replacement . so , they are for the masses.
disadvantage is - very heavy i.e. short ranges.
can't charge in 6 minutes as claimed - will reduce life.
This video needs some technical review and corrections. Almost incoherent.
You can take that new lithium battery and stick it with sundown shine and your electric car
Great video thanks for the update. So, LTO is just a slightly better (liquid Lithium Battery). No improvement in density. I want double the density and fast recharge. Elon needs to do better than this. Basically, a side grade. Welp, I guess I will continue to save up for a Toyota, they will sell solid state EV starting 2025 last I checked.
It is certain that Tesla will optimize its LTO battery further in the near future and that it won't just stop at the current level of energy density and charging capacity.
The limit to which a battery will accept a fast recharge is not always relevant. The limit is likely to depend on how heavy the charging cables and connectors can be. Then too, the power lines to the charging stations would be a factor. Thus I doubt that recharging an electric car in 10 minutes would be practical.
What is the range expectation for electric trucks and cars, and buses? Please talk more about that. Is this american technology or foreign?
very cool
Thanks!
Sounds like lithium titanate is the best thing coming down the road😅
Yes! That's true!
Lithium prices have dropped like a rock
As you can see, the demand for lithium is extremely strong across all industries. The global market for lithium is roughly 7 billion units, but it is expected to expand at a CAGR of 15.7% between 2022 and 2030. As a result, its current price will almost certainly skyrocket.
Sodium Ion will take the cake !
What is the cost of a LTO battery pack replacement in a Tesla? Like for like. I found four LTO barrettes to cost of $600 US. I think size is a problem too.
size & weight are problems.
Meanwhile Tesla raised the price of their cars once again.
why mislead ? ( by combining different features which can't be combined practically ).
1) they can dis / charge at 10 C , BUT for very short periods.
2) gives 20,000 cycles ONLY if charged & discharged at 2C ( i.e. fully charge / discharge in 30 minutes ).
3) if charged / discharged at higher rates , their lifecycle is decreased.
There is a huge deposit of lithium near that Nevada battery factory.
Not a very good battery for vehicles with the lower energy density, but this would be great for grid applications
My lto 40ah pack expanded and shorted while being in a car for 2years safely
This will clearly help us with our mobile devices, (tablet & smartphone), because charging may come down to a mere 10-minute charge instead of 2-hours from empty. As far as electric cars are concerned, they have serious problems in the middle of winter in say Michigan. That problem will end up not being a problem. I've never had a lithium-ion battery explode orgo into thermal runaway, but I know people this has happened to. This is where the electric car will come into it's own, when charging times significantly drop and sustained output in a very large temperature bracket will now be possible.
That's right. Battery quality needs to be improved and optimized as much as possible to ensure the safety of consumers.
Is this battery on the new performance chart?
Hm looks like its still firmly in the hands of the Chinese, so Tesla would still be completly dependant
i have tons of videos on LTO
Thanks. We are really grateful for your comprehension of LTO batteries.
Does each cell have its own battery management system?
This is great, so how do i get my hands on some for my bike?
Can i go to a Tesla show room and order a box? Probably not so until they are on sale and i can buy some it's pie in the sky.
Oh, it's not necessary because you just order it, the e-commerce platforms will bring it home for you.
@@TeslaCarWorld Where do I order them, and presumably they are competitive in price.
This battery might work well in the Tesla Semi in colder climates, range was not discussed in this video, which is to bad.
This is the first time I hear that LTO batteries are less expensive than LFP, and I am quite confident it is 100% false!
That's because they aren't they are at least twice as expensive as LiFePO4.
And finding a bms is a pain.
How will this affect the tesla power wall?
It will strengthen the power wall even more and enhance the amount of energy that can be used from the battery.
@@TeslaCarWorld
That's good news. Thank you.
You can also use alminum ion battery
Nice work, Elon nobody else cares to try and save the planet. We see you doing something.
Its the same chemistry Apple was intending to use in its EV!!!
Nuclear diamond batteries are the way to go.
years away, and they won't be cheap or available to the public.
And my property is rich in lithium and I received a note of planned mining on it
Maybe by using some sort of graphene quantum dots doped with some elements!?
You can hear the long distance mandarin laugh about this.
Centigrade is a temperature measurement system where there are 100 steps.
Celsius is a centigrade system that uses the freezing point of (fresh) water as 0˚ and the boiling point of water (at sea level) as 100˚
Naw, they are the same. Celsius invented the centigrade scale specifically bookended by those points, and it was later named in his honor.
Centigrade:
" relating to, conforming to, or having a thermometer scale on which the interval between the freezing and boiling points of water is divided into 100 degrees with 0° representing the freezing point and 100° the boiling point." Merriam-Webster
So as they improve millions of old style batteries will have to be dealt with?
Don't risk your #life & everything you own on a possible #runaway #lithium #battery #fire.Wait for the #Tesla & #EV with #LTO #safe batteries #Ford #Chevy #Japan #Korea #China #USPS
You do realize Lithium prices have cratered in the past few months
It won't remind that way! We can't get it out of the ground quick enough.
Great! keep it up!
you find these yinlong things in the BMW evolution c electric scooter the result is : expensive bike ,verry heavy MF ,and range to 100 miles max , the battery is good they do not have to replace them a lot, the riding wind cooles the battery while driving and a ventilator in the battery starts cooling during charging ,so noisy indoors
Will you be installing LTO in pI
LTO batteries exists for decades.
How about store Solar energy into gravity with tall buildings, long bridges, and hill sides infrastructure?!!
Because LTO batteries are flexible and small in size, this is feasible. To meet your demands, you can design them into your battery system. In reality, you may see it being utilized as a battery bank in solar cell systems installed on slopes or in deserts in the highlands throughout America.
Time to get rid of Lithium.
time to get rid of petroleum !
LTO batteries are not being made or used by Tesla and in fact Tesla has been championing LFP or Lithium Iron Phosphate as its next gen battery. Also, you might note that the market for Titanium is dominated by our China. Overall, this does not seem a win and either sodium or Iron Phosphate would be more advantageous chemistries from a supply flexibility perspective.
how do they compare to sodium ion batteries? (in kw per kilo)
In the video, when the LTO batteries were being handled, they did not look very heavy. Yet the are, apparently.
Talk to me again when we don't let all LTO battery production happen in China.
Yep sir
You forgot one important aspect! Range? How many miles between charges!
How much range will a car have with this kind of battery?
Given the energy density of a LTO battery in comparason with the LI-ION it would be 1/3 of the current range, because LTO has 110Wh per kg and LI-ION 270Wh per kg energy density factor
@@dannyboy6021 in that case they might have to combine different types of batteries to gain more range. Elon Musk has already eluded to it.
Its energy density is pittiful. Its charging efficiency is same as lead acid(pitiful). You will not see this in a car unless there is a MASSIVE breathrough in the type of battery.
@@dannyboy6021 it is 76 Wh / kg , not 110 Wh /kg.
40Ah × 2.3 V ÷ 1.2kg
= 76.67 Wh / kg
@@pravindahiya719 there is no exact energy density it may vary depending on the production process but the top density for this chemistry is around 110Wh per kg at the moment
Lithium in Tonopah?! Near the Sparks battery factory. That part of Nevada is also mining country. Talk about mysterious ways.
Great job Cowboy
Thanks.
Elon musk costs have gone to no end the headline should read
Leaders bought into his battery car when there are much cleaner alternatives.
...Yinlong, - they provide 8 years warranty for the battery, and the battery will last 82 years ?? so, why warranty is only 8 years ??
They have been using them in chinese electric buses for years!
I was good until about 12 min in. Not flamable at all? They still have lithium which burns when in contact with water. How does adding titanium reduce the cost again?
None of the rechargeable lithium batteries have free elemental lithium metal. Yes they are nonflamable.
How do the LTO batteries compare to the sodium ion batteries that China is starting to use in some ev's?
Lto has been used in vehicles for years sodium ion is a new thing and is just starting to make it into vehicles
Every alternative is lower energy density so I guess we will all be hauling our LTO battery pack behind our vehicles in the future :P
No it’s the opposite with the LTO you need to listen carefully and just the first five minutes
Mostly gibberish. Comparing price per pound is meaningless. Lots of pics of Chinese batteries but talking about Tesla factories in the USA. The titanate lifetime is not proven, it’s extrapolated. The cost of titanium can only rise with the demand. The charge time depends on expensive chargers and a high-current link to a major power line. Not for home use. They have some advantages. Only actual use will teach us if the advantages are worth the low voltage.
Toshiba is producing LTO.
20,000 cycles are proven ( at 2C rate of charge / discharge ).
they are fair in displaying everything openly unlike Yinlong.
5C for short durations & 10 C for VERY short durations is possible .
faster dis/ charging reduces the cycle life.
Yinlong has an energy density of 76 Wh/ kg ; Toshiba has lower.