The problem with the "BTS paved the way" statement is not that people deny that BTS did amazing for kpop to begin with, but the way it is used to discredit the efforts of other groups or singers in comparison. BTS paved the way for the recognition of kpop for the current generations, just as the previous generations did for BTS. Let's also give credit to the achievements of the individual idols/groups.
It's not downplaying. It's the truth. I keep seeing, only international fans say not only bts pwy, when Korea's gp says otherwise, those very 1 and 2 gen says otherwise, 3 and 4 gen says otherwise, and even the South Korea president says otherwise.
It’s only the international fans like you who are saying they didn’t and are complaining about recognition when the mf idols themselves say it all the damn time.Paved the way doesn’t mean did it first paved the way means made things easier and paved an easier route,which bts did this is why the western media is more open to having kpop groups on their shows and etc..
Previous generation didn't do damn for BTS, they actually cemented the big3 monopoly , btw bigbang members had liked hateful comments about BTS in past and now they are showing all idol are friends drama, check your info first
I agree 100 % that you shouldnt assume anybodies sexuality but it is also "assuming" someones sexuality when you call them " straight" . The way the person said that in the video gave the impression that all Kpop idols are open with their sexuality and is not afraid to be their authentic selves. Obviously this UA-camr has been on the Disney side of Kpop. P.S : Stop assuming all Kpop fans are delusional , toxic , bullies and have nothing better to do with their lives as you only see the small majority of fans on the internet doing shit like that . The other majority is kind , welcoming , entertaining and intelligent. ❤❤
I mean I always assume kpop fans are toxic and I don't see an issue with that, but yeah assuming anyone's sexuality is wild, whether it's insisting they're gay, or insisting they're straight. (Not to say there isn't good kpop fans, I just assume they're all toxic when going into any interaction because so many kpop interactions are toxic. I can appreciate the optimism though, I'm just definitely not an optimist)
@@solacee4327 I understand where you coming from . I'm just saying this based on my experience when interacting with any Kpop fan , whether they were a boy group fan , girl group fan , solo stan or a multi stan . The large majority of Kpop fans is not as unhinged as people make them to be . UA-camrs uses a small majority of Kpop fans and how they behave and stereotype the rest of us as if we are bullies and toxic which is not the case .
See u say that but bts is literally known everywhere and sell out stadiums in very country they go, they hold the records for highest charting kpop group/asian artist in every country that has a local chart, r the most streamed in those country etc😭😭 so yeahhh I would say bts is the real world famous, impactful, popular act out of SK and even Asia for that matter 😁🫶🫶
10:45, yes, TXT got the starting cushion from being the second group since BTS, but also, TXT is doing their own thing, after the debute they got famous by themselves, and Enhypen started off huge because of the survivoul show, not really because of BTS 12:28, rapping is rhyming to a beat, so basically rapping was a thing back in the 50's with jazz and all that, so if you just speak with no rhyme, no rhythm, its not rapping, its just talking
They are debuting with high class budget mv ,shout out from biggest group in the world and promoting them while BTS had to apologise for singing Big3 company group song and had to go to fucking court bcz they outsell them , TXT had not have to do any of these, Learn history of BTS and then speak
No one said txt don't do their own thing... they just would be nowhere as big as they are if it weren't for BTS. Big3 / 4 privilege exists. BigHit would have gone bankrupt without BTS, txt wouldn't even exist in that case. iland was popular because of BTS. Again without BTS the iland building and show itself wouldn't even exist?? This is just common sense. Why would they invite BTS to tour the rooms, give them gifts and handwritten letters, and show up to that live finale, if that show was sooo popular without them? Not saying it wasn't popular, but BTS is why it was popular, and without Hybe, and therefore BTS, belift wouldn't even exist.
@blossom6693 they still suffwrd they where in bight when they had nothing they practiced in mould rooms which got them sick a lot of the time and they pushed themselves to the limit all to debut yes bts suffered but txtx did in their own way
Everyone would talk about how txt got famous only because of bts but nobody talks about the amount of hate and expectation they had to face because of that very reason. Could you imagine how it felt for them to be the first group that comes out after bts? They probably couldn't even sleep at night
For "Paved the Way" here's my opinion. I love BTS, respect them and definitely agree that they did a lot and contributed a lot for their country, K-Pop and the music industry in general. And to a certain extent, they DID pave the way. However, there are SOME(NOT ALL) Armys who completely discredit their predecessors and successors. Like yes, we understand that their contributions are HUGE, but that does NOT mean that anything any OTHER group does is an achievement achieved by or because of BTS. If a group wins an award, then it's not because of BTS, it is because of that groups hardwork and their fans dedication. If a group propels to international success, sure BTS making K-Pop VERY well-known is a reason, but only a tiny part. People listen to a particular group because they like it, NOT because of BTS. All in all, sure BTS did a LOT for the other groups out there, but they didn't do EVERYTHING for those groups and that should be kept in mind. The other groups' hardwork, talent, music and determination play the MAJOR factor in THEIR success.
Exactly like why would people devote so much to other K-pop groups if they’re only like K-pop for BTS. Yes, they helped internationally, but not every single thing is because of the BTS effect
yess like I will never discredit BTS but I'm tired of people praising their fav's for reaching goals etc only for people to be like "they wouldn't of done that without BTS" like why can't we praise our fav's for reaching goals we never thought they would reach?
@@blossom6693again literally proving what she said. People liking groups has nothing to do with bts y’all always make someone else liking something having to do with bts read her paragraph again. Groups becoming big means they’ll go worldwide lmao when will y’all understand people can make success on their own SOMEONES album on us market can be because the group did well on their own not because of y’all
now come on. rapping is more than talking fast and we know this. bffr. let’s not reduce the art form of my ppl to something so banal. it’s poetry/lyricism - good rapper has a strong sense and use of language and is able to bring a musicality to the speaking words; interesting cadence - ability to use and play with rhythm, timing, flow. if they can do all this plus do it fast when it FITS, then it’s good rapping. just talking fast ain’t it. if that was the case that fast talking guy in the old fedex commercials would be the king of rap.
For the clowns trying to deny “BTS paved the way” in these comments: the phrase DOES NOT refer to kpop in South Korea. It refers to kpop globally and always has. It was also created by the media, not by armys. Whether you like it or not, kpop was NOT well known globally before BTS. It was a niche interest, with an isolated fanbase. No one paved the way for kpop globally besides bts, that’s it. BTS are the reason kpop albums are now sold in western stores (armys demanded it from target back in 2016), they’re the reason groups have full western promotions and release music at 12am est for billboard tracking, they’re the reason kpop categories exist in award shows, they’re the reason kpop groups submit music for the Grammys. Denying this is just plain disrespectful. Learn what the phrase means before tryna talk shit, thanks!
5:00 Seb can you not demonize blinks and “threaten” us? I don’t think that’s fair to us generalizing us as toxic and assuming we’re going to attack you if you mess up. Just like armies, yes, fake fans will attack you but most of us just want our girls to be respected and to have their accomplishments acknowledged, not ignored. That bts documentary youtuber tends to over glorify bts and army, not that they don’t deserve the attention they get, but in a toxic way that discredits other groups. Thank you.
Idk if u r talking about boracity or another channel but if it is boracity everything they say is correct and r not glorifying anything 😭😭 y'all just hate that y'all r rightfully put on blast sorry to say but I have been part of the fandom for six or seven years so I have seen first hand a lot of the things they discuss and talk in their videos lol
@@g100-w6jbut u can’t deny their achievements and success they won more awards outside Korea than in Korea and I know haters are gonna say they paid for it just cuz they’re from the YG
@@lanadelreysalways really true! A lot of the big ones of 4th gen have their distinct colour and sound plus they are really fun on and off stage so that's a plus ^^
I agree with this, a lot of ggs just have the same concepts and aren’t doing much different from eachother. Whereas bgs like to break barriers and do things that and are unique and new for most people. Don’t get me wrong I love ggs but sometimes their sounds are tiring to hear constantly, which is why I prefer bgs more. (No one attack me this is a mere opinion)
12:20 it’s the way u were loud and wrong💀like sir speed doesn’t equal good rapping, talent,delivery,flow, cadence etc. it’s nice if rapping can also rap fast but it doesn’t equal rapper. I talk fast but I couldn’t hold a flow to save my life
bruh the disrespect is crazy. rapping is so much more than talking fast. And so many rappers don't rap fast so does that make them not rappers? idk with your logic
Who get away? I'm a once for 6 years now and my co-onces communities are holding chaeyoung accountable.thats the difference of fans of BP and fans of Twice.
She was subjected to so much hate that many people still hold her responsible for what she did.. and everyone is still talking about it until now. She has not and will not survive this. Everyone will talk about this .. Do not pretend that this is not true. Your comment is proof that this issue has not gone away
@@angelcandy4530 My point is she gets less hate than idols who have done something less worse than she has. What she did is a crime in many countries...???
It's true TXT and Enhypen got major platforming for being associated with BTS but so has literally every other group under HYBE plus Enha was formed from a survival show and those types of groups always have a stronger cult following like skz for example so
So in conclusion both txt and enhyphen benefited from debuting under hybe just like every other idol under hybe. Yup. Let's not forget iland wouldn't have even existed, and neither would belift be under hybe, without bts.
kpop was successful before bts, maybe not AS popular and even that, in the west only, but certainly successful - the one thing bts paved the way for is billboard, but other than that if you look at kpop in general from fandom culture (light sticks, concepts/world views, fashion) to album sales to having underground rappers/mixing hip hop into kpop, none of it originated or was popularised by bts… there were many groups before them that still have solid fanbases to this day and were known as phenomenons for a reason 🤷♀️ so it makes sense to say they paved some way in terms of western validation and for certain 4th gen groups in particular
But you have to realize K-pop was a niche concept in America. For example, PSY obviously was successful for a short while. He wasn't consistent as bts now in America he is considered a one-hit-wonder. While BTS was consistent over the years. SNSD and Wonder Girls didn't even get the chance to even break though. Also, Bts created a lot of things in K-pop: reacting to their MV, personal twt accounts( not company acc ), opening their albums to fans, trilogy albums, and storylines in all their albums. They also popularized many things as well. If it was for Bts paving the way, ur favs will still be a niche thing that ppl will bully you about. So the pave the way. They are the group with the most achievements in the generation of groups in the world. They are called Global Celebrities for a reason.
that’s literally what paved the way meas it literally only has to do with western validation. we literally dont think bts created any of that bc its not what paved the way means. bts made it easier for kpop to become less niche in the west. your acting like we’re saying bts created kpop when thats not what paved the way even means
@@galaxies.people will still bully you for liking kpop that won’t change no matter how big it gets, it’s not for everyone and people will still make fun of others for liking it. I’d know from experience, to this day I still get called weird and even ignored for just talking about it.
paving the way quite literally means just making it easier and breaking boundaries to other parts of the world, SPECIFICALLY the western market since its the most competitive. thats what bts did.
paved the way doesn't mean being the first to do something. doesn't mean the way wasn't there. only now they're PAVED. if you did something at a certain level of difficulty and those who came after you still face that difficulty, the way was created but not paved by you. someone who did it better and make it easier/ more acceptable for others to do it too is what paving the way means. just putting this out here. also BTS literally came from nothing. if you're debuting in a better environment than BTS was in, with kpop being more popular rn, and in a company with more resources than BTS had back then but you ain't succeeding, then not the paver of the way nor the way is the issue.
i agree with "just paved some way" cuz they didn't paved the way for any other kpop group who are also most famous worldwide - blackpink, seventeen, twice, red velvet, exo, bigbang, 2ne1 and etc.... i just agree that 'seventeen is the best kpop group right now' they even broke the record of most pre orders
What does also most famous worldwide even mean?? Those groups go abroad and get 'BTS' shouted at them... they're not as big as BTS and that's okay... not everyone can be the biggest otherwise no one would be the very biggest
so.. getting many pre orders = best kpop group, but literally being nominated for a grammy, talking at the white house and for the UN is not a big achievement and cannot be considered "paving the way?" oh pls be fr yall wanna discredit bts SO BAD
Even if I don’t agree fully with all opinions : I RESPECT THEM! And see where they are coming from. Loooooove boracity Edit: before the comments. I know this video is probably satire (99.9% sure 🤡🤣)
More like stop saying "don't assume idols sexualities" when they themselves assume they're het, and some idols make it very clear that they're not het so 🤷🏻♀️
yeah that part is weird to me, like of course no one should assume anyone's sexuality, and some delusional stans need to know their favs are probably not gay - because some fans force it way too much... but saying all idols are straight is just as crazy as hyper focusing on someone being gay XD (I don't think winterosy meant that all idols are straight though, that's just how it came off a little in the video)
I'm sorry, very few idols have come out so how do they "Make it very clear they're not het"? is this based on assumptions or stereotypes? I agree though, no assuming sexualities straight or otherwise
txt and enhypen having that "bts privilege" aint a bad thing cus hey, they is getting that bag cus of that so🤣privilege is not always a bad thing. i stand by that🤷🏾
They say that but don't wanna admit to these big 3 groups getting the big 3 privilege since they debut and connections which go far far beyond what hybe as a fairly new company/corporation has😭😭 like nobody is taking kpop hypocritical @$$ stans seriously
and yes 😭 the whole “duality” thing is so dumb to me. literally most people have duality and can change their personality in a second. we keep praising idols for doing normal human things and i don’t get that 😭
For 42 professional carpentder reactor You gotta be careful watching people. If their jib title relates nothing to what youre looking at, then whats the point of putting it in the title? Vocla coaches should talk about singing Musicians should talk about musicality and the instruments Songwriters and the like should talk about lyrics (even though everyone should) Video editors should talk about the flow of the video, how shots were made, the visual effects Dancers should obviously talk about the dance, what the moves express, giving pointers and praise for the members Like there is one guy who seems nice but his titles are literally height + hairstyle reacts to xyz. Like what does that have to do with anything?? How does that make me inclined to click on your videos just because of your genetics and choice in hair styles?? I personally like Sebs style of video titles. Its not too much and not too little and ive never seen that title style anywhere except tiktoks and yt shorts.
I do kind of agree with hating on big groups cause someone's fav isn't or just hating on bigger groups for no reason and having the sheep mentality..and with my experience of kpop community on twt and tiktok some fans are definitly here for the wrong reasons.
streaming and voting is ruining the fun of kpop because you have these stans guilt tripping you and getting on your ass for voting and even is like "having life and work isn't an excuse" it's so draining
claiming stray kids as world famous is a reach like u be saying their group name to non kpop fans and they will still ask u what a "stray kids" is unlike bts who's immediately known as kpop because yeah they're world famous and even non kpop fans know them
Yeah I think BTS and Blackpink are the only truly worldwide - or at least North American - known artists (like if I asked 9/10 people on the street they'd know BTS and 8/10 would know BP) For the under 16 crowd I think some other groups might be like that now (mainly NewJeans and Twice), but that's only for the Tiktok generation, otherwise I still think BP and BTS are the only ones the average - North American - citizen would know
7:39 Agree to this like SM need to debut new BG since it's been 7 years LIKE we need NEW BOYGROUP they're olthe only COMPANY that don't have 4TH GEN BG REPRESENTATIVE lol
In a short opinion, "BTS Paved the Way" should be kept to mean about kpop IN THE WEST and fans who use it otherwise on SNS are wrong. When other fandoms use that statement to talk about kpop achievements IN SOUTH KOREA, then ARMYs shouldn't get mad and gatekeep the statement. It also should NOT be used as a weapon against other fandoms/groups in toxic fanwars. So, yes, "some way" can probably refer to their western-geared path they chose while validating the fact that other groups also paved the way for kpop as a whole. Kpop is a giant highway with branching roads full of history. One group CANNOT pave that alone and it is extremely ignorant to think that way considering the hundreds of artists who worked their a**es off and the lucky handful who actually CHANGED kpop standards into what they are today. So to those saying "it refers to the way kpop is viewed in the west", I agree one hundred percent. However, to those using it as some "BTS created kpop" type of fantasy on social media, that's absurd. That's all I have to say on it.
Some of these opinion were definitely disagreeable. But saying 4th gen will be better then 3rd gen? Im sorry but not never. As good as SOME if the groups music be they will never top 3rd gen.
I agree with “BTS paved some way” because the logic behind “BTS paved the way” doesn’t work in my opinion. The “paved the way” statement could be used for so many groups in so many different ways. Yes, bts did pave the way for 3rd and 4th gen groups getting western recognition and did a lot for kpop, but Girls’ Generation paved the way for most girl groups even existing. BoA paved the way for kpop in Japan and pretty much saved kpop in general when she saved sm ent from bankruptcy. If you really want to go back, you could say Seo Taiji and Boys paved the way for kpop because they were the first kpop group in general. So saying “BTS paved the way” discredits literally every kpop group and artist that came before and after them and what they did for kpop. (In short, “BTS paved the way” is too general of a statement and discredits literally everyone else in kpop. So “BTS paved some way” works better for what the did)
I disagree. Being the first at something doesn’t mean you paved the way but being able to change the industry does mean that. BoA did do a lot for Kpop and obviously so did Seo Taji but I wouldn’t necessarily say they paved the way for Kpop like BTS has. BTS pushed Kpop to be relevant outside of Eastern Asia. USA holds the biggest industry for music so even though many other idols have great accomplishments they didn’t make pave the way. ( I’m saying this as a jumping BoA, and a Sone.) without BTS Kpop wouldn’t be acknowledged by westerners. There would be no Kpop category within American award shows and Kpop idols wouldn’t be invited to as many western interviews as they are now. Now it’s almost expected to see idols promoting in US or trying to get on billboard. This wouldn’t have been an achievable dream without BTS making Kpop famous within the west.
I’m confused what does Blackpink proves the standard is low I want to understand what is the standard every group has their own style and concept bp has a style and concept that ppl still mess with so I’m confused what standards
8:16 worldwide they do are the only famous kpop group non kpop fans will not know what your talking about if you say Stray kids and if you say seventeen they will think about the number on the other way if you say BTS they will think of kpop disclaimer: i am a multi stan including stray kids and seventeen.
God 14:26 is so true. Like, if your profession has nothing to do with music, then don't include it in a K-pop reaction. "Professional Banker" like we don't care what you're job is
He is getting deeper & deeper in army hole.(He only think BTS is everything in kpop).Well most new kpop fans thinks like that cause you have to their to know that and There are groups done a lot more than bts have done till now. (If you don't agree, bro you just don't know).
I know I might get hate but seriously I need armys to stop making it seem as if bts did everything, there were tons of groups who were popular before bts. Bts paved the way for groups to be more known in the US. I don’t think they paved the way in general so in that opinion where it’s stated they paved some way I do agree. Bts didn’t make kpop what it is, they gave a helping hand in terms of being more normalized and popular in the US.
With the statement " BTS paved the way", many people think that we're saying that they were the first in everything. No they weren't. 2nd gen definitely did contributed a lot but the thing here is, BTS were allowed to be existed because of the fact that 2nd gen existed before them but they didn't did any shit for the other groups to achieve recognition in the west or in the industry itself. Paving the way means creating a wave of opportunities for an industry on a worldwide level. No matter how much iconic and legendary the 2nd gen or some idols were, BTS definitely overdid them in this section. If the other idols paved the way for BTS and much earlier than BTS, why they forgot to pave that way for themselves. And k-pop categories that we see in these western award shows which were made after BTS were grabbing all the major awards so that the other kpop groups can be nominated too is what paving the way means, not who dyed their hair first.
Despise the steaming culture, Army (and probably other groups, but only seen army doing it myself) shaming people for not constantly streaming their songs. Some songs just aren’t good and I’m not going to stream songs I don’t like for view count, as if the amount of views even matter! UA-cam views doesn’t equal popularity! Same goes for voting, voting is a popularity contest and no longer genuine votes. People will vote for their favourites song regardless if there is a better song that deserves the vote more. Unpopular opinion but that is why multistans are the best fans, we base our votes on the best song and appreciate all groups equally.
I didn't really get triggered throughout the whole video itself BUT THE WAY THAT LAST STATEMENT WAS SAYING I WOULD BE THE PROBLEM BC I MIGHT DISAGREE WITH ANOTHER PERSONS OPINION (obviously not facts) TRIGERRED ME SOOOO BADLY HAHAHH
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I think BTS paved the way for Kpop to be known internationally, however, Kpop was already famous in Korea and those who BTS idolise paved the way for them to want to become idols themselves. It depends entirely on the context of “paved the way”. Meaning - “create the circumstances to enable (something) to happen or be done.”
Paved the way means opening doors and making it easier for others to be known, have visibility, more opportunitie, be invited to talk shows etc in the US and worldwide so yes bts did pave the way.... nobody ever said that bts did it first but bts did it bigger and better 🤷♀️🤷♀️
@@g100-w6j like I said, depends entirely on how the term is implied. The use of it in this case, is making Kpop known internationally, which is true. Was just pointing out that making Kpop famous in general isn’t what is meant when people say it, and that it shouldn’t really be an argument as people paved the way for BTS, and BTS paved the way for others, it’s just the way of life.
@@megankeightley9018 BRUh stop trying to make it complicated what you’re implying they did is the exact definition of “paving the way”.The only things the 1st and 2nd generation fr did for kpop was produce músic and ideas The next generation and MAYBE follow
@@Beastafication_VS I’m not making it complicated, just stating the way it’s implied is they paved the way internationally, nothing else. Making Kpop known worldwide is not the definition of paved the way. People paved the way for BTS, BTS paved the way for the next generation and the next generation will pave the way for the next and so on and so on. It’s literally just a fact of life. There’s no need to downplay your idols idol success to make your point
@@megankeightley9018 what you said about 2nd generation and 1st isn’t paving the way it’s called being an influence 💀.As l stated before paving the way is making the path easier for those behind you which bts did,while yes making kpop known internationally is a thing that came with it they’ve opened many doors and opportunities for kpop in general if it wasn’t for bts Kpop albums wouldn’t even be sold in the U.S. If it wasn’t for bts Kpop groups wouldn’t even be included in Any award shows,Y’all constantly love to down play BTS influence of everything your idols are able to do it’s disgusting.They were nominated for a Grammys for Gods sakes the first Asian artist to do so give them their damn credit.It’s tiring to be honesty,lastly as l said before the 1st and 2nd generation didn’t make anything easier for bts them mfs still struggled.
Bts paved ALL the way 💜 1.Ok. Heard of gangnam style didnt know it was kpop. 2. Only because of bts i knew what kpop is, then i realized that gangnam style is kpop. So yes bts did paved for you and your faves.
5:32 everyone is hating on twice 💀 especially on twitter...i've never seen a group attacked by so many fandoms at once just because they are breaking some records... when they promoted mostly in south korea and japan they were getting hate that 'they'll never be able to be popular in us' when they started promoting in us and selling stadiums they were hated because "they fell off in korea" no matter what the girls do they will always be reminded that they can't sing because of one more&more encore...it's actually crazy how good are they live especially in the concerts but the kpop stans opinion on them won't change because of something that happened 3 years ago they were called boring because they kept on having cute concepts...when they finally started having more mature concepts they got hate because "why did they change their concept"... everybody is allowed to do whatever but when twice does it it's a problem... i bet if the slave room didn't exist twice wouldn't be getting so much bad reviews...
The one about bts being the only ones that are real world famous is true, idk, do you hear random locals talking about stray kids? No, if you say something Korean the first thing that comes to their minds is bts, kdramas and random Korean foods, even if they don’t even know the members
@@gu9va it’s my opinion, that’s how I feel so you can disagree but it’s just my opinion. You must’ve not heard him sing before cause he can outsing so many people.
4th gen will never be better than 3rd gen imo! and yes, streaming definitely did ruin the genuineness of kpop because it’s almost never “stream this song because it’s good” but “stream this song so they can chart well.” when i explain that i don’t stream most times, people get mad but why would i stream a song i don’t really like? bts is definitely the only world famous kpop group
8:26 I don’t think seventeen or stray kids are world famous per say. Only because go up to anyone ask if they know of BTS chances are yes. If you ask them who seventeen are or stray kids most normies wouldn’t know who you are talking about. BTS are who people think of when Kpop is mentioned. I’d say only BTS, Blackpink,and Psy could be considered world famous
BTS did pave the way, before BTS kpop was a niche interest an alternative music but BTS made it popular open gates for kpop ,but y'all hate to admit it bcoz u wish it was ur fave who did that and y'all just bitter Yes Forever BTS paved the way, most kpop stans now got into kpop bcoz of BTS ,and the way paving the way is not a big deal
Kpop stans don't know the difference and can't get it through their heads that hybe is a corporation that has many different labels under them so in their mind enhypen benefits from the bts connection and they do that with new jeans too as well as le sserafim even the new boygroup under KOZ entertainment
My take: the 1st and 2nd gen paved the the way for bts in the kpop INDUSTRY, bts paved the way FOR the industry of kpop Edit: before the comment war I know this is satire as a video, and I’m not saying 1st or 2nd gen of kpop COULDN’T pave the way, I think they didn’t have the OPPORTUNITIES that technology presented BTS that helped them open doors to the world. 🫶🏻💜 please love and be respectful and have a DISCUSSION. NOT A FANWA*
@@_.1BISCUIT._ yes and no. Yes in the world wide phenomenon we know, no in general. Other groups broke through and would have, but we have to ask is how much would they have broken through? I just don’t think anyone else (with the timing and message of bts) would have had the OOMPF of an impact bts did and still has. Totally understand what you’re saying 🫶🏻
@@LilRedWitchtiming? You need to check BTS history before saying this bcz surely BTS were not insta but bigbang was and had liked post hating on BTS, 2nd gen and industry outcasted them so they choose internet bcz they were even thrown out of broadcast in big year of 2019 and make big3 company win , give credit where it's due, 2nd gen make it hard for BTS
@@LilRedWitchyou saying IF bts didn’t other groups would but bts did make kpop more well known and paved the way for others into the western industry. how did 2nd and 1st Ben pave the way for bts (genuine question). I think what ur trying to say is that if 2nd/1st gen wasn’t there then bts would do have become singers, that’s not paving the way.
@@ughtae1214 going back to bts’ song come back home: that was an homage to the “original” kpop idol Seo Taiji and Boys in the 90s. What I mean by pave for bts is that kpop wouldn’t have existed as we know it without VERY VERY specific musicians who went against traditional songs and styles to showcase hip hop and other loved genres who, at that time, kpop (as an industry) and the older generation refused to acknowledge. I implore you look up the influence of Seo Taiji as his story is fascinating as it is similar to bts in a way. Chose a path the industry loathed, but the younger gen adored and supported. Come back home was Seo Taiji’s original bts even performed live with him (idk where the Boys are today my apologies) for the 25th anniversary of the song (believe 25th also please correct if the year is wrong). I’m saying the oldest gen of idols paved the way in exposing that kpop IS LITERALLY an industry and a corrupt one and many (talking early early kpop), had their careers snuffed out as “punishment” for having the bravery to openly speak out. I cannot take awake from bts literally paving the way (boracity has a wonder informational video on this phenomenon), and I wanted to also not take away from or put down older groups and idols who simply made kpop into what we know as kpop today. I hope I clarified everything and my sincerest apologies if it felt I wasn’t giving bts more credit. They earned every credit and I felt it wasn’t needed to be said to other army who already know how insane the accomplishments of bts is and still is. An ult bts stan, multi stan, some (a lot of old school kpop industries can still have a big ol’ 🤡 because the audacity and Gaul to try and stop bts from succeeding for so long) I also understand toxic “fans” from outside of bts played a huge role in that wave of hatred, but I don’t think that needs to be said because I believe we all know the sheer ick that has happened (is happening). Thank you friend have a wonderful day 🙏🏻💜
Not a bts stan but it's literally obvious bts paved the way, a little too much than needed if I say but y'all want to discredit them so bad just bc they're the biggest out there.
But TXT has all moa because of TXT AND NOT BTS GOT IT....CLEAR YOUR MIND...IF SOMEONE LIKES BTS THEY WILL LISTEN TO BTS AND NOT TXT GOT IT SO TXT HAS ALL THE MOAS BY THEIR OWN HARDWORK AND NOT BECAUSE OF BTS'S
The fact everything happened after BTS West Success proves BTS Paved the way, nobody had the impact, not BigBang, not Wonder Girl's not SNSD, not Rain, Rain, WG, Psy and alot more give BTS credit for Paving the Way bcos those that were prior to BTS failed
Everyone before BTS failed hugely, only a small amount of fan's gained from 2nd gen, it was the moment BTS went West Kpop became a topic on Mainstream, everyone after BTS is using BTS fame for their own gain
tbh stray kids and seventeen aren’t world famous at all. i might have to agree with that opinion because when i think about it and step out of the bubble i can confidently say almost no one who isn’t into kpop knows them outside of korea
for bts paving the way, imagine this: your cousin participated in building a bridge. you and some friends are walking on the bridge. you say that your cousin worked on the bridge. your friends start laughing, saying that's not possible because your cousin had outside help, your cousin didn't make the tools, your cousin didn't make the materials, your cousin didn't make the ground the bridge is on. explain to me how this isn't equivalent to kpop stans saying "bts didn't invent xyz" when someone says bts paved the way
The problem with the "BTS paved the way" statement is not that people deny that BTS did amazing for kpop to begin with, but the way it is used to discredit the efforts of other groups or singers in comparison. BTS paved the way for the recognition of kpop for the current generations, just as the previous generations did for BTS. Let's also give credit to the achievements of the individual idols/groups.
exactly
@@skinnylegend9782 not exactly.
It's not downplaying. It's the truth. I keep seeing, only international fans say not only bts pwy, when Korea's gp says otherwise, those very 1 and 2 gen says otherwise, 3 and 4 gen says otherwise, and even the South Korea president says otherwise.
It’s only the international fans like you who are saying they didn’t and are complaining about recognition when the mf idols themselves say it all the damn time.Paved the way doesn’t mean did it first paved the way means made things easier and paved an easier route,which bts did this is why the western media is more open to having kpop groups on their shows and etc..
Previous generation didn't do damn for BTS, they actually cemented the big3 monopoly , btw bigbang members had liked hateful comments about BTS in past and now they are showing all idol are friends drama, check your info first
“It’s been pretty quiet in K-pop, it seems like everyone’s getting along.”
.. who’s gonna tell him?
I agree 100 % that you shouldnt assume anybodies sexuality but it is also "assuming" someones sexuality when you call them " straight" . The way the person said that in the video gave the impression that all Kpop idols are open with their sexuality and is not afraid to be their authentic selves. Obviously this UA-camr has been on the Disney side of Kpop.
P.S : Stop assuming all Kpop fans are delusional , toxic , bullies and have nothing better to do with their lives as you only see the small majority of fans on the internet doing shit like that . The other majority is kind , welcoming , entertaining and intelligent. ❤❤
I mean I always assume kpop fans are toxic and I don't see an issue with that, but yeah assuming anyone's sexuality is wild, whether it's insisting they're gay, or insisting they're straight.
(Not to say there isn't good kpop fans, I just assume they're all toxic when going into any interaction because so many kpop interactions are toxic. I can appreciate the optimism though, I'm just definitely not an optimist)
@@solacee4327 I understand where you coming from . I'm just saying this based on my experience when interacting with any Kpop fan , whether they were a boy group fan , girl group fan , solo stan or a multi stan . The large majority of Kpop fans is not as unhinged as people make them to be . UA-camrs uses a small majority of Kpop fans and how they behave and stereotype the rest of us as if we are bullies and toxic which is not the case .
"Seventeen is the best kpop group rn" AGREED
8:04 the problem with this opinion is what people define as "real world famous" cause the world isn't just America and friends
See u say that but bts is literally known everywhere and sell out stadiums in very country they go, they hold the records for highest charting kpop group/asian artist in every country that has a local chart, r the most streamed in those country etc😭😭 so yeahhh I would say bts is the real world famous, impactful, popular act out of SK and even Asia for that matter 😁🫶🫶
@@g100-w6j People like that are delusional, they know it but say otherwise lool
10:45, yes, TXT got the starting cushion from being the second group since BTS, but also, TXT is doing their own thing, after the debute they got famous by themselves, and Enhypen started off huge because of the survivoul show, not really because of BTS
12:28, rapping is rhyming to a beat, so basically rapping was a thing back in the 50's with jazz and all that, so if you just speak with no rhyme, no rhythm, its not rapping, its just talking
They are debuting with high class budget mv ,shout out from biggest group in the world and promoting them while BTS had to apologise for singing Big3 company group song and had to go to fucking court bcz they outsell them , TXT had not have to do any of these,
Learn history of BTS and then speak
@@blossom6693😂
No one said txt don't do their own thing... they just would be nowhere as big as they are if it weren't for BTS. Big3 / 4 privilege exists. BigHit would have gone bankrupt without BTS, txt wouldn't even exist in that case.
iland was popular because of BTS. Again without BTS the iland building and show itself wouldn't even exist?? This is just common sense. Why would they invite BTS to tour the rooms, give them gifts and handwritten letters, and show up to that live finale, if that show was sooo popular without them? Not saying it wasn't popular, but BTS is why it was popular, and without Hybe, and therefore BTS, belift wouldn't even exist.
@blossom6693 they still suffwrd they where in bight when they had nothing they practiced in mould rooms which got them sick a lot of the time and they pushed themselves to the limit all to debut yes bts suffered but txtx did in their own way
Everyone would talk about how txt got famous only because of bts but nobody talks about the amount of hate and expectation they had to face because of that very reason. Could you imagine how it felt for them to be the first group that comes out after bts? They probably couldn't even sleep at night
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For "Paved the Way" here's my opinion.
I love BTS, respect them and definitely agree that they did a lot and contributed a lot for their country, K-Pop and the music industry in general. And to a certain extent, they DID pave the way.
However, there are SOME(NOT ALL) Armys who completely discredit their predecessors and successors. Like yes, we understand that their contributions are HUGE, but that does NOT mean that anything any OTHER group does is an achievement achieved by or because of BTS.
If a group wins an award, then it's not because of BTS, it is because of that groups hardwork and their fans dedication. If a group propels to international success, sure BTS making K-Pop VERY well-known is a reason, but only a tiny part. People listen to a particular group because they like it, NOT because of BTS.
All in all, sure BTS did a LOT for the other groups out there, but they didn't do EVERYTHING for those groups and that should be kept in mind. The other groups' hardwork, talent, music and determination play the MAJOR factor in THEIR success.
Exactly like why would people devote so much to other K-pop groups if they’re only like K-pop for BTS. Yes, they helped internationally, but not every single thing is because of the BTS effect
THISS 😭 u explained it perfectly omg
You are getting your fab group album on us store bcz of BTS army btw, you definitely don't know how much other group owe to BTS and army
yess like I will never discredit BTS but I'm tired of people praising their fav's for reaching goals etc only for people to be like "they wouldn't of done that without BTS" like why can't we praise our fav's for reaching goals we never thought they would reach?
@@blossom6693again literally proving what she said. People liking groups has nothing to do with bts y’all always make someone else liking something having to do with bts read her paragraph again. Groups becoming big means they’ll go worldwide lmao when will y’all understand people can make success on their own SOMEONES album on us market can be because the group did well on their own not because of y’all
now come on. rapping is more than talking fast and we know this. bffr. let’s not reduce the art form of my ppl to something so banal. it’s poetry/lyricism - good rapper has a strong sense and use of language and is able to bring a musicality to the speaking words; interesting cadence - ability to use and play with rhythm, timing, flow. if they can do all this plus do it fast when it FITS, then it’s good rapping. just talking fast ain’t it. if that was the case that fast talking guy in the old fedex commercials would be the king of rap.
For the clowns trying to deny “BTS paved the way” in these comments: the phrase DOES NOT refer to kpop in South Korea. It refers to kpop globally and always has. It was also created by the media, not by armys.
Whether you like it or not, kpop was NOT well known globally before BTS. It was a niche interest, with an isolated fanbase. No one paved the way for kpop globally besides bts, that’s it.
BTS are the reason kpop albums are now sold in western stores (armys demanded it from target back in 2016), they’re the reason groups have full western promotions and release music at 12am est for billboard tracking, they’re the reason kpop categories exist in award shows, they’re the reason kpop groups submit music for the Grammys. Denying this is just plain disrespectful. Learn what the phrase means before tryna talk shit, thanks!
13:18 nope you're the one who's wrong, fast talking or fast singing ≠ rapping. its all about the flow and how you deliver each word
Exactly, Rap stands or rhythm and blues, not talking slightly on beat.
@@celine9richardson correction : RAP means Rhythm and Poetry, RNB means Rhythm and Blue
Soyeon, P1Harmony rappers, BTS, 3RACHA, Monster X are just unstoppable.
these are one of my favorite videos just because some of them are so nonsensical, it gives me a good laugh lmao😭
RAP stands for "Rhythm and Poetry". If it isn't rhythmic or poetic, it isn't rap, simple as that.
Honey, that’s not what rap stands for 😭
@@annoyingblackboyIt is pretty much what rap music is though.
@@maozedong8370 not really bc not all rap music is poetic
@@annoyingblackboy Which is usually what ruins the rhythm and pacing of the song and makes it dog sh*t. You just proved my point.
@@maozedong8370 no not necessarily. As long as the verses are rhythmic then it’s fine. Would you consider Kpop raps “poetic”? Of course not
I have to say, Seb😂 I can never watch these kinds of videos without you as a logic barrier.
5:00 Seb can you not demonize blinks and “threaten” us? I don’t think that’s fair to us generalizing us as toxic and assuming we’re going to attack you if you mess up. Just like armies, yes, fake fans will attack you but most of us just want our girls to be respected and to have their accomplishments acknowledged, not ignored. That bts documentary youtuber tends to over glorify bts and army, not that they don’t deserve the attention they get, but in a toxic way that discredits other groups.
Thank you.
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Idk if u r talking about boracity or another channel but if it is boracity everything they say is correct and r not glorifying anything 😭😭 y'all just hate that y'all r rightfully put on blast sorry to say but I have been part of the fandom for six or seven years so I have seen first hand a lot of the things they discuss and talk in their videos lol
@@g100-w6jbut u can’t deny their achievements and success they won more awards outside Korea than in Korea and I know haters are gonna say they paid for it just cuz they’re from the YG
I agree with you like I’m so confused with the prove the standard is low im confused what standards
i agree that fast talking isn’t rapping, you’re just talking fast. rapping is about rhythm, yes, but also flow, lyricism, etc.
4rth gen bgs are the best… DONT FIGHT ME
At least they have artistic expression
Ya and I like them cause they are more themselves out of stage
@@Munchaee yes exactlyyy!! They have personalities
@@lanadelreysalways really true! A lot of the big ones of 4th gen have their distinct colour and sound plus they are really fun on and off stage so that's a plus ^^
I agree with this, a lot of ggs just have the same concepts and aren’t doing much different from eachother. Whereas bgs like to break barriers and do things that and are unique and new for most people. Don’t get me wrong I love ggs but sometimes their sounds are tiring to hear constantly, which is why I prefer bgs more. (No one attack me this is a mere opinion)
12:20 it’s the way u were loud and wrong💀like sir speed doesn’t equal good rapping, talent,delivery,flow, cadence etc. it’s nice if rapping can also rap fast but it doesn’t equal rapper. I talk fast but I couldn’t hold a flow to save my life
bruh the disrespect is crazy. rapping is so much more than talking fast. And so many rappers don't rap fast so does that make them not rappers? idk with your logic
All imma say is BLACKPINK & TWICE paved the way for ggs, I know some people in the comments might hate BP but u can’t deny they played a part in it
But all of them are known as " K-pop Group " with no difference of adding bg or gg
And almost everybody dived in both category bg and gg
"They can get away with a lot of bullshit" can go to any group. Chaeyoung from twice got away for wearing a nazi shirt!?!? Y'all just hate to hate
Who get away? I'm a once for 6 years now and my co-onces communities are holding chaeyoung accountable.thats the difference of fans of BP and fans of Twice.
She was subjected to so much hate that many people still hold her responsible for what she did.. and everyone is still talking about it until now. She has not and will not survive this. Everyone will talk about this .. Do not pretend that this is not true. Your comment is proof that this issue has not gone away
@@angelcandy4530 She still doesn't get as much hate as other artists do
@@N._kola ……So I guess you weren't active on social media when it happened but saw the obsessed fan who treats her like a child
@@angelcandy4530 My point is she gets less hate than idols who have done something less worse than she has. What she did is a crime in many countries...???
It's true TXT and Enhypen got major platforming for being associated with BTS but so has literally every other group under HYBE plus Enha was formed from a survival show and those types of groups always have a stronger cult following like skz for example so
So in conclusion both txt and enhyphen benefited from debuting under hybe just like every other idol under hybe. Yup. Let's not forget iland wouldn't have even existed, and neither would belift be under hybe, without bts.
kpop was successful before bts, maybe not AS popular and even that, in the west only, but certainly successful - the one thing bts paved the way for is billboard, but other than that if you look at kpop in general from fandom culture (light sticks, concepts/world views, fashion) to album sales to having underground rappers/mixing hip hop into kpop, none of it originated or was popularised by bts… there were many groups before them that still have solid fanbases to this day and were known as phenomenons for a reason 🤷♀️ so it makes sense to say they paved some way in terms of western validation and for certain 4th gen groups in particular
personally agreed to this ❤
But you have to realize K-pop was a niche concept in America. For example, PSY obviously was successful for a short while. He wasn't consistent as bts now in America he is considered a one-hit-wonder. While BTS was consistent over the years. SNSD and Wonder Girls didn't even get the chance to even break though. Also, Bts created a lot of things in K-pop: reacting to their MV, personal twt accounts( not company acc ), opening their albums to fans, trilogy albums, and storylines in all their albums. They also popularized many things as well. If it was for Bts paving the way, ur favs will still be a niche thing that ppl will bully you about. So the pave the way. They are the group with the most achievements in the generation of groups in the world. They are called Global Celebrities for a reason.
that’s literally what paved the way meas it literally only has to do with western validation. we literally dont think bts created any of that bc its not what paved the way means. bts made it easier for kpop to become less niche in the west. your acting like we’re saying bts created kpop when thats not what paved the way even means
@@galaxies.people will still bully you for liking kpop that won’t change no matter how big it gets, it’s not for everyone and people will still make fun of others for liking it. I’d know from experience, to this day I still get called weird and even ignored for just talking about it.
paving the way quite literally means just making it easier and breaking boundaries to other parts of the world, SPECIFICALLY the western market since its the most competitive. thats what bts did.
paved the way doesn't mean being the first to do something. doesn't mean the way wasn't there. only now they're PAVED. if you did something at a certain level of difficulty and those who came after you still face that difficulty, the way was created but not paved by you. someone who did it better and make it easier/ more acceptable for others to do it too is what paving the way means. just putting this out here. also BTS literally came from nothing. if you're debuting in a better environment than BTS was in, with kpop being more popular rn, and in a company with more resources than BTS had back then but you ain't succeeding, then not the paver of the way nor the way is the issue.
Ohhh you're spilling
@@g100-w6j just saying the truth as it is 💜
i agree with "just paved some way" cuz they didn't paved the way for any other kpop group who are also most famous worldwide - blackpink, seventeen, twice, red velvet, exo, bigbang, 2ne1 and etc....
i just agree that 'seventeen is the best kpop group right now' they even broke the record of most pre orders
What does also most famous worldwide even mean?? Those groups go abroad and get 'BTS' shouted at them... they're not as big as BTS and that's okay... not everyone can be the biggest otherwise no one would be the very biggest
@@celine9richardsonSo true 😂
even twice and seventeen themselves said that bts paved the way
so.. getting many pre orders = best kpop group, but literally being nominated for a grammy, talking at the white house and for the UN is not a big achievement and cannot be considered "paving the way?" oh pls be fr yall wanna discredit bts SO BAD
Even if I don’t agree fully with all opinions : I RESPECT THEM! And see where they are coming from. Loooooove boracity
Edit: before the comments. I know this video is probably satire (99.9% sure 🤡🤣)
06:57 the only reason i like 4th gen better is just because of straykids😂
More like stop saying "don't assume idols sexualities" when they themselves assume they're het, and some idols make it very clear that they're not het so 🤷🏻♀️
yeah that part is weird to me, like of course no one should assume anyone's sexuality, and some delusional stans need to know their favs are probably not gay - because some fans force it way too much... but saying all idols are straight is just as crazy as hyper focusing on someone being gay XD (I don't think winterosy meant that all idols are straight though, that's just how it came off a little in the video)
I'm sorry, very few idols have come out so how do they "Make it very clear they're not het"? is this based on assumptions or stereotypes? I agree though, no assuming sexualities straight or otherwise
txt and enhypen having that "bts privilege" aint a bad thing cus hey, they is getting that bag cus of that so🤣privilege is not always a bad thing. i stand by that🤷🏾
They say that but don't wanna admit to these big 3 groups getting the big 3 privilege since they debut and connections which go far far beyond what hybe as a fairly new company/corporation has😭😭 like nobody is taking kpop hypocritical @$$ stans seriously
14z:44 Leeknow needs more lines. HE IS SO UNDERRATED
Stray kids have a fair line distribution 😒😐so no lee know doesn’t need more lines
and yes 😭 the whole “duality” thing is so dumb to me. literally most people have duality and can change their personality in a second. we keep praising idols for doing normal human things and i don’t get that 😭
For 42 professional carpentder reactor
You gotta be careful watching people. If their jib title relates nothing to what youre looking at, then whats the point of putting it in the title?
Vocla coaches should talk about singing
Musicians should talk about musicality and the instruments
Songwriters and the like should talk about lyrics (even though everyone should)
Video editors should talk about the flow of the video, how shots were made, the visual effects
Dancers should obviously talk about the dance, what the moves express, giving pointers and praise for the members
Like there is one guy who seems nice but his titles are literally height + hairstyle reacts to xyz. Like what does that have to do with anything?? How does that make me inclined to click on your videos just because of your genetics and choice in hair styles??
I personally like Sebs style of video titles. Its not too much and not too little and ive never seen that title style anywhere except tiktoks and yt shorts.
I do kind of agree with hating on big groups cause someone's fav isn't or just hating on bigger groups for no reason and having the sheep mentality..and with my experience of kpop community on twt and tiktok some fans are definitly here for the wrong reasons.
streaming and voting is ruining the fun of kpop because you have these stans guilt tripping you and getting on your ass for voting and even is like "having life and work isn't an excuse" it's so draining
claiming stray kids as world famous is a reach like u be saying their group name to non kpop fans and they will still ask u what a "stray kids" is unlike bts who's immediately known as kpop because yeah they're world famous and even non kpop fans know them
Yeah I think BTS and Blackpink are the only truly worldwide - or at least North American - known artists (like if I asked 9/10 people on the street they'd know BTS and 8/10 would know BP)
For the under 16 crowd I think some other groups might be like that now (mainly NewJeans and Twice), but that's only for the Tiktok generation, otherwise I still think BP and BTS are the only ones the average - North American - citizen would know
7:39 Agree to this like SM need to debut new BG since it's been 7 years LIKE we need NEW BOYGROUP they're olthe only COMPANY that don't have 4TH GEN BG REPRESENTATIVE lol
In a short opinion, "BTS Paved the Way" should be kept to mean about kpop IN THE WEST and fans who use it otherwise on SNS are wrong. When other fandoms use that statement to talk about kpop achievements IN SOUTH KOREA, then ARMYs shouldn't get mad and gatekeep the statement. It also should NOT be used as a weapon against other fandoms/groups in toxic fanwars. So, yes, "some way" can probably refer to their western-geared path they chose while validating the fact that other groups also paved the way for kpop as a whole.
Kpop is a giant highway with branching roads full of history. One group CANNOT pave that alone and it is extremely ignorant to think that way considering the hundreds of artists who worked their a**es off and the lucky handful who actually CHANGED kpop standards into what they are today.
So to those saying "it refers to the way kpop is viewed in the west", I agree one hundred percent. However, to those using it as some "BTS created kpop" type of fantasy on social media, that's absurd. That's all I have to say on it.
Some of these opinion were definitely disagreeable. But saying 4th gen will be better then 3rd gen? Im sorry but not never. As good as SOME if the groups music be they will never top 3rd gen.
I agree with “BTS paved some way” because the logic behind “BTS paved the way” doesn’t work in my opinion. The “paved the way” statement could be used for so many groups in so many different ways. Yes, bts did pave the way for 3rd and 4th gen groups getting western recognition and did a lot for kpop, but Girls’ Generation paved the way for most girl groups even existing. BoA paved the way for kpop in Japan and pretty much saved kpop in general when she saved sm ent from bankruptcy. If you really want to go back, you could say Seo Taiji and Boys paved the way for kpop because they were the first kpop group in general. So saying “BTS paved the way” discredits literally every kpop group and artist that came before and after them and what they did for kpop. (In short, “BTS paved the way” is too general of a statement and discredits literally everyone else in kpop. So “BTS paved some way” works better for what the did)
I disagree. Being the first at something doesn’t mean you paved the way but being able to change the industry does mean that. BoA did do a lot for Kpop and obviously so did Seo Taji but I wouldn’t necessarily say they paved the way for Kpop like BTS has. BTS pushed Kpop to be relevant outside of Eastern Asia. USA holds the biggest industry for music so even though many other idols have great accomplishments they didn’t make pave the way. ( I’m saying this as a jumping BoA, and a Sone.) without BTS Kpop wouldn’t be acknowledged by westerners. There would be no Kpop category within American award shows and Kpop idols wouldn’t be invited to as many western interviews as they are now. Now it’s almost expected to see idols promoting in US or trying to get on billboard. This wouldn’t have been an achievable dream without BTS making Kpop famous within the west.
@@minacruzel6387 that's literally what they said by "groups getting western recognition" tho...?
'4 th gen will be better than 3rd'
nope never keep dreaming
2nd and 3rd are the best gen
10:45 i think so for txt but not for enhypen i mean slightly but they had a whole mnet survival show ofc theyre gonna be a big group
I’m confused what does Blackpink proves the standard is low I want to understand what is the standard every group has their own style and concept bp has a style and concept that ppl still mess with so I’m confused what standards
6:51 nooo nah 3rd gen besttt🎉
8:16 worldwide they do are the only famous kpop group
non kpop fans will not know what your talking about if you say Stray kids and if you say seventeen they will think about the number
on the other way if you say BTS they will think of kpop
disclaimer: i am a multi stan including stray kids and seventeen.
God 14:26 is so true. Like, if your profession has nothing to do with music, then don't include it in a K-pop reaction. "Professional Banker" like we don't care what you're job is
13:57 Professional CARPENTER reacts too got7 FUNNY moments PART 1
Whoever you are.. Thank you for giving me a good laugh 🤣🤣
He is getting deeper & deeper in army hole.(He only think BTS is everything in kpop).Well most new kpop fans thinks like that cause you have to their to know that and There are groups done a lot more than bts have done till now.
(If you don't agree, bro you just don't know).
I know I might get hate but seriously I need armys to stop making it seem as if bts did everything, there were tons of groups who were popular before bts. Bts paved the way for groups to be more known in the US. I don’t think they paved the way in general so in that opinion where it’s stated they paved some way I do agree. Bts didn’t make kpop what it is, they gave a helping hand in terms of being more normalized and popular in the US.
@@moonorchid502 I agree that he isn’t like other armies, he’s more respectful and sensible than most armies.
@@moonorchid502 hmmm really. Have you watch is streams. He is getting deeper into army hole.
@@4everbaseone agree
@@4everbaseone ain't no one said that bts did everything, they made it easier for your fave to get into the western market, for charting and 4 sales.
With the statement " BTS paved the way", many people think that we're saying that they were the first in everything. No they weren't. 2nd gen definitely did contributed a lot but the thing here is, BTS were allowed to be existed because of the fact that 2nd gen existed before them but they didn't did any shit for the other groups to achieve recognition in the west or in the industry itself. Paving the way means creating a wave of opportunities for an industry on a worldwide level. No matter how much iconic and legendary the 2nd gen or some idols were, BTS definitely overdid them in this section. If the other idols paved the way for BTS and much earlier than BTS, why they forgot to pave that way for themselves.
And k-pop categories that we see in these western award shows which were made after BTS were grabbing all the major awards so that the other kpop groups can be nominated too is what paving the way means, not who dyed their hair first.
Despise the steaming culture, Army (and probably other groups, but only seen army doing it myself) shaming people for not constantly streaming their songs. Some songs just aren’t good and I’m not going to stream songs I don’t like for view count, as if the amount of views even matter! UA-cam views doesn’t equal popularity! Same goes for voting, voting is a popularity contest and no longer genuine votes. People will vote for their favourites song regardless if there is a better song that deserves the vote more. Unpopular opinion but that is why multistans are the best fans, we base our votes on the best song and appreciate all groups equally.
15:25 what’s up with Kpop stans mocking Korean?
those edibles really kicked in goddamn 😭😭
5:54 and that's why i'm an Apple Music girly
08:58 I LOVE EDGY MUSIC ESPECIALY ONES LIKE VENOM
Seb you NEED to get into Red Velvet if you're here for the music trust meeeee
the duality one is so true
BTS paved the way for kpop to have more acknowledgment internationally. it’s that easy, they are continually paving n paving. it’s factual
I didn't really get triggered throughout the whole video itself BUT THE WAY THAT LAST STATEMENT WAS SAYING I WOULD BE THE PROBLEM BC I MIGHT DISAGREE WITH ANOTHER PERSONS OPINION (obviously not facts) TRIGERRED ME SOOOO BADLY HAHAHH
29 is just facts i wont even try to counter it
People hate twice cuz of blackpink 🤷♀️
And people hate bp because they are talented 💅
@@manogaming6534 which part?
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opinion 29 was so so true like
BTS isn’t the only real world famous group. They are the most famous but not the only ones
7:01 not all of them but someone definitely came to mind
ajanaevis for me
6:50 LMFAOO I MADE THE EXACT SAME FACE 😭😭😭😭
03:35 my opinion is that, that is bullsh!t
I think BTS paved the way for Kpop to be known internationally, however, Kpop was already famous in Korea and those who BTS idolise paved the way for them to want to become idols themselves. It depends entirely on the context of “paved the way”. Meaning - “create the circumstances to enable (something) to happen or be done.”
Paved the way means opening doors and making it easier for others to be known, have visibility, more opportunitie, be invited to talk shows etc in the US and worldwide so yes bts did pave the way.... nobody ever said that bts did it first but bts did it bigger and better 🤷♀️🤷♀️
@@g100-w6j like I said, depends entirely on how the term is implied. The use of it in this case, is making Kpop known internationally, which is true. Was just pointing out that making Kpop famous in general isn’t what is meant when people say it, and that it shouldn’t really be an argument as people paved the way for BTS, and BTS paved the way for others, it’s just the way of life.
@@megankeightley9018 BRUh stop trying to make it complicated what you’re implying they did is the exact definition of “paving the way”.The only things the 1st and 2nd generation fr did for kpop was produce músic and ideas The next generation and MAYBE follow
@@Beastafication_VS I’m not making it complicated, just stating the way it’s implied is they paved the way internationally, nothing else. Making Kpop known worldwide is not the definition of paved the way. People paved the way for BTS, BTS paved the way for the next generation and the next generation will pave the way for the next and so on and so on. It’s literally just a fact of life. There’s no need to downplay your idols idol success to make your point
@@megankeightley9018 what you said about 2nd generation and 1st isn’t paving the way it’s called being an influence 💀.As l stated before paving the way is making the path easier for those behind you which bts did,while yes making kpop known internationally is a thing that came with it they’ve opened many doors and opportunities for kpop in general if it wasn’t for bts Kpop albums wouldn’t even be sold in the U.S. If it wasn’t for bts Kpop groups wouldn’t even be included in Any award shows,Y’all constantly love to down play BTS influence of everything your idols are able to do it’s disgusting.They were nominated for a Grammys for Gods sakes the first Asian artist to do so give them their damn credit.It’s tiring to be honesty,lastly as l said before the 1st and 2nd generation didn’t make anything easier for bts them mfs still struggled.
Bts paved ALL the way 💜
1.Ok. Heard of gangnam style didnt know it was kpop.
2. Only because of bts i knew what kpop is, then i realized that gangnam style is kpop.
So yes bts did paved for you and your faves.
Nah, not really ALL the way, but you do you ig ☺️
Exactly
@@cath.is.an.erizenexplain how it isn’t all the way 😊
sum o dese "kpop opinions😜" videos are just posted by edgelords n they never cease to make me laugh😂
5:32 everyone is hating on twice 💀 especially on twitter...i've never seen a group attacked by so many fandoms at once just because they are breaking some records...
when they promoted mostly in south korea and japan they were getting hate that 'they'll never be able to be popular in us'
when they started promoting in us and selling stadiums they were hated because "they fell off in korea"
no matter what the girls do they will always be reminded that they can't sing because of one more&more encore...it's actually crazy how good are they live especially in the concerts but the kpop stans opinion on them won't change because of something that happened 3 years ago
they were called boring because they kept on having cute concepts...when they finally started having more mature concepts they got hate because "why did they change their concept"...
everybody is allowed to do whatever but when twice does it it's a problem...
i bet if the slave room didn't exist twice wouldn't be getting so much bad reviews...
10:46 stairs not elevator
11:56 well… let me tell you … MY favs can outsing beyonce easily
I MEAN … they’re EXO and Seventeen and mamamoo.
Lmfaoooooo good joke
never speak on mother in this matter ever again
'svt is the best kpop group rn'
dude they are best from the moment they debuted and will be in the future as well.
The one about bts being the only ones that are real world famous is true, idk, do you hear random locals talking about stray kids? No, if you say something Korean the first thing that comes to their minds is bts, kdramas and random Korean foods, even if they don’t even know the members
11:52 jongho does ong
no he don’t
@@gu9va it’s my opinion, that’s how I feel so you can disagree but it’s just my opinion. You must’ve not heard him sing before cause he can outsing so many people.
@@4everbaseonehe can outsing whoever u want but he for damn sure ain't outsinging Beyonce 🥴🥴🥴
@@4everbaseone jongho still doesn’t outsing miss yoncé 😟 she’s quite literally the best vocalist rn
15:04 ABOUT TO THROW HANDS
15:44 ohhhh damn they mad mad
7. Love them but I agree
10:24 low-key i agree
4th gen will never be better than 3rd gen imo!
and yes, streaming definitely did ruin the genuineness of kpop because it’s almost never “stream this song because it’s good” but “stream this song so they can chart well.” when i explain that i don’t stream most times, people get mad but why would i stream a song i don’t really like?
bts is definitely the only world famous kpop group
I do have a fav that can definitely outsing beyonce but I'll just not lmao
saying skz is world famous is kinda crazy 😭
why
@@vib3slwt cause they're not....
@@ahlster i agree that they're not as big as bts but they do come right after them in bgs
@@vib3slwt they do not 😭😭😭 im sawry...
@@vib3slwt exo are still more well known, while SVT and SKZ are performing much better chart/stream wise
8:26 I don’t think seventeen or stray kids are world famous per say. Only because go up to anyone ask if they know of BTS chances are yes. If you ask them who seventeen are or stray kids most normies wouldn’t know who you are talking about. BTS are who people think of when Kpop is mentioned. I’d say only BTS, Blackpink,and Psy could be considered world famous
BTS did pave the way, before BTS kpop was a niche interest an alternative music but BTS made it popular open gates for kpop ,but y'all hate to admit it bcoz u wish it was ur fave who did that and y'all just bitter
Yes Forever BTS paved the way, most kpop stans now got into kpop bcoz of BTS ,and the way paving the way is not a big deal
Enhypen is not related to bts. They are not even from the same label
But they are under hybe labels
Kpop stans don't know the difference and can't get it through their heads that hybe is a corporation that has many different labels under them so in their mind enhypen benefits from the bts connection and they do that with new jeans too as well as le sserafim even the new boygroup under KOZ entertainment
The choreos need to be more apriciated
My take: the 1st and 2nd gen paved the the way for bts in the kpop INDUSTRY, bts paved the way FOR the industry of kpop
Edit: before the comment war I know this is satire as a video, and I’m not saying 1st or 2nd gen of kpop COULDN’T pave the way, I think they didn’t have the OPPORTUNITIES that technology presented BTS that helped them open doors to the world. 🫶🏻💜 please love and be respectful and have a DISCUSSION. NOT A FANWA*
u not wrong tho cuz if it wasn't for bts I wouldn't of know what kpop it
@@_.1BISCUIT._ yes and no. Yes in the world wide phenomenon we know, no in general. Other groups broke through and would have, but we have to ask is how much would they have broken through? I just don’t think anyone else (with the timing and message of bts) would have had the OOMPF of an impact bts did and still has. Totally understand what you’re saying 🫶🏻
@@LilRedWitchtiming? You need to check BTS history before saying this bcz surely BTS were not insta but bigbang was and had liked post hating on BTS,
2nd gen and industry outcasted them so they choose internet bcz they were even thrown out of broadcast in big year of 2019 and make big3 company win , give credit where it's due,
2nd gen make it hard for BTS
@@LilRedWitchyou saying IF bts didn’t other groups would but bts did make kpop more well known and paved the way for others into the western industry. how did 2nd and 1st Ben pave the way for bts (genuine question). I think what ur trying to say is that if 2nd/1st gen wasn’t there then bts would do have become singers, that’s not paving the way.
@@ughtae1214 going back to bts’ song come back home: that was an homage to the “original” kpop idol Seo Taiji and Boys in the 90s. What I mean by pave for bts is that kpop wouldn’t have existed as we know it without VERY VERY specific musicians who went against traditional songs and styles to showcase hip hop and other loved genres who, at that time, kpop (as an industry) and the older generation refused to acknowledge.
I implore you look up the influence of Seo Taiji as his story is fascinating as it is similar to bts in a way. Chose a path the industry loathed, but the younger gen adored and supported. Come back home was Seo Taiji’s original bts even performed live with him (idk where the Boys are today my apologies) for the 25th anniversary of the song (believe 25th also please correct if the year is wrong).
I’m saying the oldest gen of idols paved the way in exposing that kpop IS LITERALLY an industry and a corrupt one and many (talking early early kpop), had their careers snuffed out as “punishment” for having the bravery to openly speak out.
I cannot take awake from bts literally paving the way (boracity has a wonder informational video on this phenomenon), and I wanted to also not take away from or put down older groups and idols who simply made kpop into what we know as kpop today.
I hope I clarified everything and my sincerest apologies if it felt I wasn’t giving bts more credit. They earned every credit and I felt it wasn’t needed to be said to other army who already know how insane the accomplishments of bts is and still is.
An ult bts stan, multi stan, some (a lot of old school kpop industries can still have a big ol’ 🤡 because the audacity and Gaul to try and stop bts from succeeding for so long)
I also understand toxic “fans” from outside of bts played a huge role in that wave of hatred, but I don’t think that needs to be said because I believe we all know the sheer ick that has happened (is happening).
Thank you friend have a wonderful day 🙏🏻💜
Not a bts stan but it's literally obvious bts paved the way, a little too much than needed if I say but y'all want to discredit them so bad just bc they're the biggest out there.
But TXT has all moa because of TXT AND NOT BTS GOT IT....CLEAR YOUR MIND...IF SOMEONE LIKES BTS THEY WILL LISTEN TO BTS AND NOT TXT GOT IT SO TXT HAS ALL THE MOAS BY THEIR OWN HARDWORK AND NOT BECAUSE OF BTS'S
8:33 exo too..
8:27 exactly they're selling out stadiums !!
💀please tell me that ur joking. Blackpink also sells out stadiums multiple nights in a row and I am sure other kpop groups do as well
Are the stadiums (plural) in the room with us rn😵💫😵💫🤔🤔😭💀 yeahhh I didn't think so
@@g100-w6j tf u talking about
15:03 my favs are...
Skz are both funny and loud, that’s why I Stan ❤
BTS PAVED THE WAY!
13:43 no.
Thats very weird to disagree about, may i ask is there any reason for you to baby a literal grown man or women
The fact everything happened after BTS West Success proves BTS Paved the way, nobody had the impact, not BigBang, not Wonder Girl's not SNSD, not Rain, Rain, WG, Psy and alot more give BTS credit for Paving the Way bcos those that were prior to BTS failed
Everyone before BTS failed hugely, only a small amount of fan's gained from 2nd gen, it was the moment BTS went West Kpop became a topic on Mainstream, everyone after BTS is using BTS fame for their own gain
Bts ptw🎉
tbh stray kids and seventeen aren’t world famous at all. i might have to agree with that opinion because when i think about it and step out of the bubble i can confidently say almost no one who isn’t into kpop knows them outside of korea
for bts paving the way, imagine this:
your cousin participated in building a bridge. you and some friends are walking on the bridge. you say that your cousin worked on the bridge. your friends start laughing, saying that's not possible because your cousin had outside help, your cousin didn't make the tools, your cousin didn't make the materials, your cousin didn't make the ground the bridge is on.
explain to me how this isn't equivalent to kpop stans saying "bts didn't invent xyz" when someone says bts paved the way