@@MegaWilderness So buy an old one. They are cheap but i'm pretty sure you can do just fine with a 10 years old car, a one year old PC, a 2 year old smartphone and a basic 4K TV.
Bought a salvaged 65 reg Ka a few months back to run around in. Cost me 3k in total to buy & fully repair & had less than 3k miles on it when I bought it (now has 3.3k). Have an 09 reg R3 RX8 for sh!ts & giggles that I bought over 10 years ago with 15k miles (now has 28k) I don't have/need a smart phone as I've had the same Nokia C3 for as long as I can remember - about 8 or 9 years possibly, maybe longer. My Qosmio laptop is nearly 8 years old & still perfectly usable as I spent well on that as I use it for my work too - when I actually do any lol. My TV is a small (nowadays) 42" that I bought back in Feb 2008 (had to check) that I only bought as my then 18 yr old TV blew it's tube, yes, an old type TV lol. I only use my almost 14 year old "new" TV for videos or as a larger monitor for my Laptop when needed as I don't watch TV anymore. So, I buy stuff when I need it or on a very rare occasion as a treat (the RX8 being the last treat), not to show of as Rory says. Never seen the point in wasting hard earned just to show your family, firends & neighbours how much "debt" you can get/have lol ;p
@UCkCNhN3e0X7B1xbD28fcnQA My only point was that new stuff around the corner is not a reason to delay; just buy it when you need it and, as you say, only when you need it
My Dad said, “he who dies with the most toys wins!” Sadly he passed away two years ago and four years ago I had to stop him driving and sell his car - dementia is a cruel disease. So god bless our fathers’ and “buy it now for tomorrow you may die…”
Rory, I appreciate your getting all of your EV and battery tech info correct. Most auto journalists can’t even be bothered to understand the very basics of electricity, and thereby misinform and confuse their viewers. You have gone way beyond the basics, and present everything in an easy to understand way.
Badges. Those were the days 😂. I can remember in the school playground. My Dads got a 2 litre GLX, yeah well my Dads got a 2 litre GTI, my Dads got a 2.5 Elite etc. My Dad actually had a Transit van with a bus seat in the back. I felt like I was in the A Team van 😂
I think as always finance will dictate when people switch and what to. Most people would like a Porsche or Rolls Royce but have to settle for a Type 3 Corsa with a low Euro engine number. EV will be no different.
I wonder if battery technology improvements for ev cars will filter though to the power wheelchair and scooter market. The reason why I’m posing this is because I’m a power wheelchair user
I agree, but the second hand EV market is much different than ICE vehicles, and makes entry into the EV market affordable for most. My used 2014 Leaf is as powerful and runs as smooth as it did when new (an inherent benefit of electric propulsion). In the 4 years that I have owned it, and driven it daily, it has required zero maintenance or repair. It would have been difficult to find a clean 2014 ICE vehicle with the same tech as mine for the same price, and I'm sure I would have spent much more on maintenance and repair, as is the norm for second hand ICE vehicles.
@RandomShart brakepads and fluids still need to be changed. Battery modules are usually cooled with some oily concoction ,and that has an expiry date, so that needs to be changed also after its lifetime end (at latest). So yes, you need servicing, but it's not that complicated as in ICEs (source: trust me, I'm an engineer)
@RandomShart I haven't had mine in, but I have heard that they try to get people to bring them in. There are very few things to worry about and most can be done by owners.
"badges on the rear": not here in Germany we didn't. Some 50% of cars didn't have markings on the rear as a form of understatement... you found out about the others on the Autobahn. I am (was) guilty of that game too, back then.
Some drivers here (California) remove all badging from the back of their car including the model ... I guess either to make a cheaper model look more expensive or to hide the fact that it's an expensive model.
If you are waiting for the better tech you'll always be waiting as EVs constantly will improve just like your phone or your TV. There are good EVs out there now and you can know when you upgrade next time it will be even better.
While it does make sense for some people to buy electric cars right now, for others that isn't necessarily the case. I would love to own one, but I have no place to charge it where I live. So I'm waiting to move. But waiting for the tech tech to improve is pointless. Often times people ask me if they should buy a new phone or laptop or PC right now, or should they wait. And I always tell them the same: If you need it, buy it now. If not, don't.
@@TheThink5op You'll never be able to charge at home at a decent speed until you pay to upgrade your home to have a higher output, regardless of how far car tech comes.
On tech? Yes. On batteries? Maybe. But the future batteries are probably mostly cheap, simple cobalt free iron phosphate batteries with about 160 to 200 Wh/kg. It's going to be interesting to see what Tesla's new 4680 cells will do in a couple of years.
@@mariojakel5544 They are all essentially Tesla batteries that Panasonic has been contracted to manufacture according to Tesla's formulation and specs. 4680 is merely a form factor and indicates the size of the battery and not the composition. With their older batteries, they used form factors that are available off the shelf, but the cells' composition is not the same as what you'd get in a store. So a lot of people get confused between the type of cell, the size of the cell, and between the manufacturer and designer.
@@bW9taeH4 the 4680 maybe the size but they are a tabless design and use a dry electrode and will use a high nickel chemistry. Tesla and Panasonic will be making them initially but I understand LG and possibly CATL will be as well in the future but I don't ever see an LFP chemistry ever used as not energy-dense enough to be used in the vehicles that need a long range.
@@markreed9853 That was exactly my point. Saying that it's a 4680 tells you the size and nothing else. Somebody else could make a battery called a 4680 that's a completely different design but it still a battery.
That's a really good, informative video. Could do with more like this. People need to know the boring details about EVs instead of the headline-grabbing announcements.
If they added retro fit capability in the design that would help, i mean the floor pan and pack box isnt going to change much if at all. If they had it so it was more like a PC, where you could swap out to more efficient higher power products as the need arises that would be near perfect
In theory, that all sounds logical... Until you're driving down a dark country lane in the middle of nowhere at 2am and all of a sudden... You get a _blue screen_ on your dashboard and everything on the car just dies 8-))...
The problem is that cars would need to be designed with new battery technology in mind and would limit some advanves in technology,the battery is a integral part of the structure of the car and isn't easy changinh for something new.
Well, the current electric vehicles are very expensive, impractical and unreliable. So people justifiably don't want to be beta testers for rich ceo selling you a lifestyle you can't afford.
@@argh6666 they're expensive, yes, but they are certainly not "impractical and unreliable" for many people. Yes yes, I know, "but I don't have off-street parking", and, "but I need to drive 700 miles each day", and "but the road trip I do twice a year will take an extra hour", blah blah. Everyone's well aware EVs aren't for *everyone*, but for people who can charge at home or work, they are better than ICE cars for most things.
I was surprised to discover how much cobolt is used in the production of diesel - it's quite a lot, you could easily use far more cobolt driving a diesel car than even the worst EV
Yes, but it's basically used ONCE (albeit with a tiny amount of degredation). It takes about 1 pound of cobalt to remove the sulfur from 80,000 gallons of petroleum products, like gasoline. 80,000 gallons would power a car for about 2.4 million miles, but 98.8% of that cobalt is recoverable, meaning we permanently lose only a pound of cobalt for every 6.6 million gallons we refine.
@@CivicMikey Are you cure cobalt can't be recovered from batteries? Recycling is becoming a thing with Tesla already building a recycling facility and will have more, and since more EVs are sold in China, there are companies in China that recycle batteries. They recover about 90% of materials used but I'm not going back to read the details of what is and what isn't recovered.
What about HHO powered cars. Can somebody please put this resource into perspective against changing away from 4 - stroke to electric. This is another fuel that is co2 less. And we already have the technology. Are we being conned ??????
As someone who has been a broadcaster for over thirty years, I recognise really good presentation. Superbly explained with just enough wit and panache. Underplaying is so refreshing in an era of "shouty presenters".
@@andrewplayer800 @@andrewplayer800 I remember that, but at least they were an Australian company and part of the allied forces and not the axis side, so it wouldn't have mattered as much. SS Super Sport
Careful with such virtuesignaling. 2nd car, why did you replace the 1st? You'd pollute less by not replacing an older ICE car, depending on mileage. You've replaced an ICE for 2 electrics
@@netiturtle you do realise people upgrade cars and sell their previous one on right? Just because he's on his 2nd electric car, doesn't mean the 1st one broke. The 1st one could have been a used car as well. So many assumptions.
@@mistert800 You do realize unnecessary "upgrading", driven by wants rather than needs, is a major contribution to pollution. I don't know why he replaced, so I asked. I admit suspecting him falling to the category of people who drive the newest EV to project an image, while polluting more than someone maintaining an older car. But I wasn't making assumptions, unlike you, when clearing the OP from possible fault in logic, by assumption(1st one could have been..).
Electric cars are easier to make than fuel cars. So in future, people can assemble or make them in their garages and sell them. There will be a lot of electric car manufacturers and this will become a problem for current manufacturers as it will eat into their sales.
So about the 800v, something that you don't mention which turns out to be very important. Temperature. The charging speed is great on them sure, but one of the better advantages with 800v is the temperature control because you don't need as thick wiring to hold the charge. A side effect of this is weight, since you can use thinner wiring, weight is kept to a minimum (since move of the weight will be the battery itself).
Not actually to hold the charge, but to deliver the charging current. Higher voltage means lower current which equals thinner wires, but often requires thicker insulation.
Brilliant review, Rory, you are the number one car reviewer for me. Great evaluation of the market. Perhaps if people want to save the planet by choosing electric cars, perhaps we should get away from the 200mph idea. Nearly all of all the worlds non urban roads are limited to something around 80-90mph max. So let's just limit ALL vehicles to that, say 100mph. As, travelling any faster in whatever vehicle will just use more electricity, which needs to be generated one way or another. People should just stop wasting electricity, or any other power source, make smaller, more efficient cars, and endeavour to get people out of heavy/big cars. Most of us aren't much bigger than people were 50 years ago most everyday cars weighed about a tonne. So why are cars so huge now? Just need to stop it...
Imagine having some bad situation like medical emergency. You will be happy to go more than 100mph on highway... And its same like saying you dont need big house, you dont need this and this you can surivive in small flat with one led light and 15 degrees celsius in winter... You can but its not your free choice and much fun imho
My take is that the legacy carmakers are making a great path for Chinese manufacturers to introduce their way cheaper models with similair specs, making themselves obsolete by doing so.
@@sneaky_krait7271 BYD EA1 is about to released in my part of the world, it's $35k as opposed to a base Model 3 at $65k. $40k will get you the 400km/250mi version. For the price of a Model 3 you can go to BYD and get a 5 seater car, home battery setup, a solar system to charge it all and still have some change left over.
@@deanchur Yes I know, which is why I think European, Japanese and American have done too little too late and are pricing themselves out of the market now, especially the cheaper brands
Any well made electric car with 150 miles or more of range would be a good car regardless of how far the newer ones can go on a charge. Our current tech is already more than good enough we just need to make it cheaper.
It’s a disgrace how expensive they are. With all the components that go into an engine and the development thereof..., how on earth they can justify the cost of these things is beyond my me
The biggest improvements need to come in the charging network. If I could get a guaranteed charger which was working and available then the current range and charging speed is enough [Polestar 2]
Thank you. My view exactly. I have no issue with my electric car but plenty of issues with all the clowns in the charging business. I hate myself for saying so but I wish the "oil companies" would realize that they have to be "energy companies" now in order to have a future, to begin to take electric car charging seriously and put high speed chargers, under cover at every forecourt at a price that will drive muppets like Osprey, Instavolt and the like out of the market. The only ones I have any time at all for are Pod Point and Chargeplace Scotland. Covers over charging stations. Is that too much to ask for, really? "You nice and dry filling your diesel car up there mate? Yeah, well I'm handling 400 Volts in the pouring rain here and I'm about to shit myself" And here's a migration tip for all EV drivers. Move to Scotland where you can charge your cars for half the cost of charging in England, or for free even, and they're everywhere. And if you live in North Wales, don't even bother. Most chargers are broken and will never be repaired anyway.
You can’t get the Dream edition anymore as they only made a certain amount. The Lucids you will be able to get is the Pure, the Touring and the Grand Touring
Really enjoy your excellent no nonsense videos and reviews, informative, entertaining but no waffle nor hype, the information you delivery has authenticity and therefore really useful and believable.
1:20 Simple! The car is needed now! Not whenever 'in the future'! That and things will always be obsolete when they come out! You'll never have a car if you jeep waiting for 'the next new thing in the future!'
It depends to what extreme you take the Osborne effect. Just putting off your next purchase of an ICE car in the hopes that an affordable Tesla, e.g. the Model 2, will come your way in time, is the Osborne effect of a car in general.
What concerns me, is what happens when the bloody thing breaks down! Is it only the dealer that’s capable of repairing it! and we all know what they work on per hour!
Here in the UK at least Stephen, we already have a number of independent EV specialists. I'm fortunate in that both guys who operate the garage in my village have both recently qualified to work on electric vehicles. There is an organisation in the UK which offers training courses for motor vehicle engineers whom wish to "convert"......
I just got an e-tron MY22 for the U.S. market, and happy that I did coming from an S4 with my girls getting bigger. Thing is, I know a refreshed e-tron, along with a Q6 is coming, but that didn't stop me. I think it's smart to not buy an electric vehicle now, but rather lease it, as battery tech is changing fast. For those who buy, just know that your vehicle will age and drop in value quicker possibly.
@@TheThink5op That could be just due to the weird used car market now. Our values increased when new car shortages shocked the auto industry. That's still present. For example, I got a lot more for my 2018 S4 than what it should be worth right now. At least here in the U.S. Audi dealerships are getting anywhere from 150-220 cars on their lots by February. Putting two and two together, just five months prior, my S4 was worth $5-6k less when dealers still had cars. End of last month when I got rid of it, with more miles on it than it had five months ago, it was worth a lot more as the dealership only had 7 cars on their lot. Got rid of it earlier than I wanted due to the profits and once in a life-time circumstances. Those profits will dwindle back down to normal when new cars are back on the lots. So...I see what you're saying, but the inflated values of our pre-owns will eventually adjust back to normal. 2018 S4 Prestige CPO w/ 20,143 miles purchase late February for $40,199. Sold last week of October...so 8 months later for $43,260. I checked my cars value in June and July of this year. June I was offered $36,800 and July, I was offered $37,300. So if you have a pre-owned Audi, sell it asap...and if you're looking to go electric with an e-tron from Audi, my advise is to lease it only.
When are you posting the next video on the Leaf? Have you done any range tests and did you do a comparison when you are using the a/c and heating and when not? Looking forward to it.
@@AutoTraderTV Hi Rory, another excellent video, BUT I have to disagree with your point about Lithium-Ion batteries. Unfortunately this IS soon going to be outdated and will make way for Lithium-Metal batteries. The reason Li-Met batteries aren't currently used is they are unstable (they have tendency to spontaneously combust), so obviously can't be used in EV's. However, recently, a team of researchers from the Material Sciences department at Harvard have found a way to stabilise Li-Met batteries so they're far less dangerous and the tech is now more applicable to EV's. Li-Met is considered 'the holy grail' of battery technology because of its extremely high energy density, meaning a lot more energy can be stored within the same volume, and the charging times are MUCH faster. 10-20 minutes to achieve a full charge, and the battery can go through at least 10,000 charge and discharge cycles, long outlasting the current lifespan of Li-Ion batteries, and even gas powered engines, not too mention a MUCH MUCH larger range and better performance figures
Hi Rory, interesting theme. I think the badge thing will be consigned to the past. We used to get the trim level on the badge; L, GL, GLX, Ghia, SRi etc. I think we've all moved on from this. All except Porsche that is... The marketing person who thought that putting a turbo badge on an electric car was a good idea should spend the rest of their working life asking customers if they'd like fries with that.
My E86 is going nowhere, it’s an old beautiful stra8 six naturally aspirated engine coupled onto a manual gearbox, it keeps me always from new car showrooms and protects me from the poverty of paying car finance, hence leaving me with money to invest in EV technologies at the end of every month. I concur Rory, the technology is changing quicker than a rabbit gets ….. you know. Good news is that my e86 survived the ULEZ onslaught so I look forward to more years of straight six driving fun whilst waiting for further developments in EV vehicle.
Thanks but your circuit and descriptions are incorrect. The long thin line on the battery symbol is the anode +. The short fat line is the cathode -. Electrons flow from the cathode to the anode.
That was informing :) Loads of new stuff to learn and try and understand for us oldschool geeks who knows shit about internal combustion that no sane person basicly gives a flying fox about.
A pretty good video, but so much left out. Tesla uses NCA batteries - Nickel Cobalt Aluminum - Kind of bizarre the EV leader was completely left out of the discussion Also, the quickest EV now is the Tesla Model S Plaid, not the Taycan. The Plaid uses a single speed gearbox. And, Tesla Model S used AC Induction motors from 2012 until about 2018 to 2019, vs the Permanent Magnet motors common today. Maybe a lack of time. space and research but feels like a lot was omitted which was pretty important here.
At present my Taycan costs somewhere between £20:-25 to charge 100miles = to my former 4.4 RR only it takes about 40mins to charge it at an Ecotricity station - when they are available and/or working.
@@noneofyourbusines1476 You have to upload a video, man, my replies keep getting see as spam by the AI edgelords. Maybe your comment section will be safer. Or try asking under one of my videos. Edit: 𝐂𝐡𝐞𝐜𝐤 𝐨𝐧 𝐥𝐮𝐜𝐢𝐝𝐦𝐨𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐬 𝐰𝐞𝐛𝐬𝐢𝐭𝐞 𝐭𝐨 𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐞 𝐢𝐭 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐬𝐞𝐞 𝐢𝐟 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐥𝐨𝐜𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐢𝐬 𝐜𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐝. This comment survived a whole minute, yoohoo!
Same here. Only caveat is that I drove it in the last few days and it won't go under 25 kWh/100 km at 130-135 km/h. Solar roof and transparent panel, plus AWD have added a lot of kilos and the car is not aerodynamic by any means.
@@vicheaterx it is aerodynamic despite its somewhat boxy shape, which is thanks to the lack of front grill and rounded edges. If the climate where you live is cold, it is understandable. I still think its worth its practicality and looks. Its also jacked up with AWD so you could have some fun in snow, mud or dirt!
Badges: Solid State Battery SSB; dual gear or twin gear; Full 5G (autonomous drive); TORQUE; 060 (motors focused on torque rather on HP); Circular (a car made from recycled materials evoking circular economy);etc.
Another informative and enjoyable video. Nice work Rory 👍🏾 I usually wait before buying the latest tech and I’m usually on the previous version of say, an iPhone. When it comes to EVs, they’re not new; I’d say we’re on 3rd gen battery tech/performance now. You could wait, but for how long? Tech always improves and whatever you settle on will always be superseded by an improved version.
If a long winter blackout occurs in a land of electric cars most of the population will perish in the freezing cold. The gas powered car that would provide cabin heat for many days will not be there. The electric car could only supply heat for a short time and would quickly discharge its battery making a trip to a shelter impossible.
firstly, on a combustion car, you could expect it to idle on a full tank (assuming you just happened to fill up before the blackout, unlikley, whilst you charge your EV every night). for around 80-120 hours, depending on your fuel tank and engine size. Meanwhile a modern BEV with a full charge can run its cabin heater for around 75-135 hours depending on your battery size (50-100kWh). Next we can talk about things like refueling or recharging. Now we both know that without electricity, you cant buy fuel. The fuel pumps dont work and they cant process your payment anyway. So you have what ever fuel you have in jerry cans or if you have generator. Now if you have jerry cans. good for you, point to combustion. However if you have a generator, and most likely jerry cans to run the generator. (whats the point of owning a genny if you dont have fuel for it). Then its actually *more fuel efficient* to charge your EV with a cheap portable generator than it is to use that same fuel in a modern combustion engine. So if you're justing sitting in the cabin to stay warm, then its pretty neck and neck between EV and ICE assuming you just filled your fuel tank. (unlikely but we'll roll with it). but if you have a generator, EV's clearly take the cake. Giving longer hours and ranges with that fuel than you would putting it in ICE.
Lots of great stuff here... thanks. I think that buying the latest tech is always an issue, no sooner than you buy it, there is something new. I did my maths and worked out that if I wanted the latest car tech, leasing works out cheaper for me. Drive a Hyundai Kona EV and the fuel savings covers a large cost of the lease.
Hello🙂 Thank you for sharing this interesting video! You mentioned a thing a few videos ago, regarding the petrol car ban in 2030 in the U.K.. Would you consider having a full electric car for your daily commute and maybe a petrol sports car for the weekends? Or would both be fully electric? Or would you consider buying an EV which tackles Performance and daily usability? Hope you don‘t mind my bad English skills, I don‘t need to speak or write English very often. Hope to hear your thoughts. With kind regards from Germany, Julian
Bad English skills? probably better than the vast majority of people that are actually English, never apologise when you can write or speak in another Language, being English myself I'm ashamed to say as nearly everybody seems to speak it like most that live here we don't bother to learn another language bad I know but sadly true. And there is no petrol car ban here in 2030 it just means you will not be able to buy a brand new one after that date, there will still be millions of petrol and diesel cars on the road for many many years after 2030.
@@pillred5974 Thank you! Yes, „petrol car ban“ could definitely be misunderstood. I finance a BMW G21 318d Touring M Sport with a 6 speed manual gearbox. Personally I think it is a great car and ticks nearly all the boxes. But after owning it for a few months now I realize, that it is a bit too big, but as I‘m not a big fan of the new 1series, the 2series gran coupe and the SUV’s it was the best choice, as I wanted to own a Bmw. And the salesman offered me a fair deal. But thinking 5 years ahead I consider „buying“ a smaller and sportier car (with a petrol engine, probably a used one) for the weekend and maybe a BEV for the daily business. But I have mixed feelings about this, especially with this whole climate discussion. I‘m convinced that we should do everything we could to protect our beautiful planet. But as a fan of petrol cars and knowing that we only got this one life, I would like to enjoy a nice, affordable sports car/roadster. First world problems, but yeah it is my motivation. Also to educate myself and be able to communicate with more people outside Germany. I wish you a nice evening!
@@jlnmlng8372 Personally I hope that's still a viable option, an ICE vehicle that does low annual mileage + an electric vehicle for day-to-day. However I suspect they'll be taxed off the roads for most. Would you be willing to keep a 2nd petrol car around if the standing costs get really high? I hope they put most of the tax on fuel, so someone who just takes their pride and joy out for the occasional drive doesn't have to pay loads just to keep it on the road.
@@thepandaman As the UK moving to road pricing, excluding charging a fortune for petrol/diesel through heavy taxation, standing charges for a low mileage fossil fuel fun car should reduce. After the bulk of ICE cars are scrapped, say 2050, we may be reduced to buying our synthetic fuel at the chemist as petrol stations will have disappeared. 😀
Already obsolete, no battery range no chargers worthless, when they bring out a model that has a range of 600 miles with a range of 15 mins top up the battery? no thank I will come back in twenty years nice Video. up
There's no reason why any electric car need be obsolete. Quite the opposite... It's entirely feasible to retrofit older electric cars with newer longer range cheaper and more efficient batteries. If anything electric cars should last far longer than their ICE equivalents
... and there is a growing market for second-life EV batteries, perhaps supporting battery upgrades in the future (as there is value in the old EV batteries); ~70% of original capacity might be a bit rubbish in an EV, but they can be (and are being) repurposed in home energy storage systems, where this reduced capacity is not an issue. Important that this is done responsibly however through professionals who can check that old EV batteries are not at risk or catching fire - and reject the ones which might be at risk.
@@WelcomeToDERPLAND But of course, like an engine, you can also have a tired EV battery pack refurbished, usually at much less cost than a complete new battery......
People purchased ICE cars in the beginning of car manufacturering knowing that there would be better ones on the way, like computers or mobile phones... Like you said, you have to buy the one that is right for you at that time
I'd say, yes. Today's electric cars are like the first pentium processors. Look at the horrendous resale values of the first Nissan Leafs. impressive at first, but quickly overtaken in terms of overall speed, price, and everything. However, it's getting to the point of acceptable charge times and ranges. IMO, the Model Y makes the Model X obsolete already. Nearly just as practical, for like half the price. And don't tell me a model X is much more luxurious. It isn't luxurious at all.
Yes the depreciation is a big problem for buying new EV's, especially right now because we are only at the beginning of this new tech. However for second hand market it is great news, because of the hard depreciation we can get cheap EV's sooner rather than later.
Most EV's have low depreciation, usually the lowest of a manufacturer's mainstream cars. Even before the second-hand car price craziness. Audi, Porsche, Kia, Hyundai have all said their EV's have lower depreciation than the equivalent combustion cars in their ranges.
You have to remember that in terms of eco-friendly, a new car is always bad for the environment. Keeping your old electric vehicle is the biggest eco-friendly thing you can brag about.
Not necessarily, it really depends on your situation, what your current car is, and what you would be replacing it with. Engineering Explained did a fantastic video about whether it is better for the environment to keep your old car or to get a new EV. I highly recommend it.
@@bolt5564 Not exactly. The biggest issue in EE’s video is that he assumes that if you get rid of your car, then the car will no longer be driven. That is not true, because often you will sell your car to another owner who will then drive the car. Currently, from the standpoint of emissions, it will always be better to keep driving a fully electric car until it is deemed no longer fit for the road.
This will change in the future if full EVs becomes the primary transport vehicle on the road, but until that’s the case, it will be better to keep running an EV to the ground, even if it means replacing the battery in between
@@sijankhan7796 when you sell your used car it will either add to the used car market putting downward pressure on said market, allowing someone to junk their older more polluting car and replace it with your car, or it will be junked itself. Either way you are probably taking a more polluting car off the road.
Pretty divisive throwaway comment about cobalt bearing in mind it is also used in the refinement of crude oil, which is used to make petrol, diesel, kerosene and pretty much any fossil fuel that you can think of!
Fair enough. But it’s worth factoring in the pretty startling savings you make over the year with an EV, especially the efficient ones built with longevity in mind.
@@cbromley562 That's all well and good, but I can't run a massive extension lead to my house, so I would be 100% reliant on public charging and as I said there is one plug for a whole town
@@cbromley562 I'm sure they'll get there eventually but I'm concerned time is running out, we have 8 years now until the ban on new combustion cars and some areas like mine are so far behind where they need to be
@@Elkott Yep, this is a real problem…makes me feel we’re very fortunate simply having charging facility. On the brighter side, there’ll be good used ICE vehicles around for donkey’s years…let’s hope they don’t tax the crap out of them. If it’s handled badly, a lot of people will be penalised unfairly. Let’s hope Gridserve/Instavolt/ Tesla decide to move into your area.
Rule of thumb I reckon is if it depreciates, rent. If it appreciates, buy. My next car will be on a lease that looks like value for money. Of course car technology will improve over time, and I look forward to driving them in the future.
The idea of the personally owned vehicle is going to come to an end for most of the world's population. Cities will have to be taken over by mass transit. Cars will only be for people in rural areas.
Not going to happen. Having your own car is popular for a reason. It has a massive positive effect on one's standard of living. For most people outside large cities, relying on public transport or taxis would be crippling. Can't see people in China, Indonesia or India giving up their scooters and cars anytime soon either.
@@MyMednas We have different personality. I try to imagine the things that are unimaginable today. Some powerful people said that internet was a hype and nothing to care about and so on.
"Will Today's Electric Cars Soon Be OBSOLETE?" A: No. Not if they still do what you need. We're keeping our 2016 e-Golf SE with 84-mile range until it craps out. So far, almost zero battery degradation, even without battery thermal management. We replaced tires, wipers, and washer fluid. We charge it almost exclusively on 110-120 v with GFCI. That's it. Does 99.735% of our driving needs; rentals for the rest. Don't _need_ a big ass touchscreen, FSD, sub 4 second 0 - 60, etc. etc. It's transportation, not a fashion accessory.
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There is always a better car, phone, computer, TV around the corner
And the old ones are worth nothing.
@@MegaWilderness So buy an old one. They are cheap but i'm pretty sure you can do just fine with a 10 years old car, a one year old PC, a 2 year old smartphone and a basic 4K TV.
@@Z3t487 I do precisely that. My car is 10 years old. It's reliable and extremely affordable. It has another 10 years of life.
Bought a salvaged 65 reg Ka a few months back to run around in. Cost me 3k in total to buy & fully repair & had less than 3k miles on it when I bought it (now has 3.3k).
Have an 09 reg R3 RX8 for sh!ts & giggles that I bought over 10 years ago with 15k miles (now has 28k)
I don't have/need a smart phone as I've had the same Nokia C3 for as long as I can remember - about 8 or 9 years possibly, maybe longer.
My Qosmio laptop is nearly 8 years old & still perfectly usable as I spent well on that as I use it for my work too - when I actually do any lol.
My TV is a small (nowadays) 42" that I bought back in Feb 2008 (had to check) that I only bought as my then 18 yr old TV blew it's tube, yes, an old type TV lol. I only use my almost 14 year old "new" TV for videos or as a larger monitor for my Laptop when needed as I don't watch TV anymore.
So, I buy stuff when I need it or on a very rare occasion as a treat (the RX8 being the last treat), not to show of as Rory says. Never seen the point in wasting hard earned just to show your family, firends & neighbours how much "debt" you can get/have lol ;p
@UCkCNhN3e0X7B1xbD28fcnQA My only point was that new stuff around the corner is not a reason to delay; just buy it when you need it and, as you say, only when you need it
How refreshing - a clear, intelligent and informative UA-cam review, articulately presented without hyperbole! Great job, thanks!
Are you insane? It is complete an utter rubbish.
Nah, this is utter fucking garbage of an analysis.
@@thescallytrader Two female voices with the best ever pronunciation in music Nat King Cole and Johnny Mathis. Take care and God Bless. 💝
@@connorcampbell5274 Two female voices with the best ever pronunciation in music Nat King Cole and Johnny Mathis. Take care and God Bless. 💝
@@derickwilliams2195 sneed.
I love watching Rory. He’s brilliant, clear, concise and engaging.
Simply the best!
totally agree....really good to watch. info, but not dull...enthusiasm but not inane adulation (carwow)
Agree. He is really great.
I watch his stuff even if I'm not interested in the content. Love the man.
Since day one
Rory, you are without question one of the best presenters on UA-cam. Another superb, informative video.
My dad once said, "Best time to buy anything is the day you die, for it will be the latest version."
My Dad said, “he who dies with the most toys wins!”
Sadly he passed away two years ago and four years ago I had to stop him driving and sell his car - dementia is a cruel disease. So god bless our fathers’ and “buy it now for tomorrow you may die…”
Definitely true, although that also means you don't get anything new for the rest of your life.
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@@falxonPSN Obv, it was a tongue-and-cheek comment to basically say that if you like something, just get it. Don't worry about the next gen.
@@PhilbyFavourites Exactly. Dad bought a new car (Honda Fit) that he loves.
Rory, I appreciate your getting all of your EV and battery tech info correct. Most auto journalists can’t even be bothered to understand the very basics of electricity, and thereby misinform and confuse their viewers. You have gone way beyond the basics, and present everything in an easy to understand way.
That SS joke was fucking gold
It wasnt that funny
Can't even think about when VW reaches range of 1488 miles with that solid state car 👀
@@arsebiscuits560 It really was
Alex Gris agreed. 😆
meh!
Badges. Those were the days 😂. I can remember in the school playground. My Dads got a 2 litre GLX, yeah well my Dads got a 2 litre GTI, my Dads got a 2.5 Elite etc. My Dad actually had a Transit van with a bus seat in the back. I felt like I was in the A Team van 😂
I took a girl and her son on a date: the boy said "wow, an XR31" No son, that is an i for Injection
I love it when a plan comes together.
I think as always finance will dictate when people switch and what to. Most people would like a Porsche or Rolls Royce but have to settle for a Type 3 Corsa with a low Euro engine number. EV will be no different.
I wonder if battery technology improvements for ev cars will filter though to the power wheelchair and scooter market. The reason why I’m posing this is because I’m a power wheelchair user
I agree, but the second hand EV market is much different than ICE vehicles, and makes entry into the EV market affordable for most. My used 2014 Leaf is as powerful and runs as smooth as it did when new (an inherent benefit of electric propulsion). In the 4 years that I have owned it, and driven it daily, it has required zero maintenance or repair. It would have been difficult to find a clean 2014 ICE vehicle with the same tech as mine for the same price, and I'm sure I would have spent much more on maintenance and repair, as is the norm for second hand ICE vehicles.
@RandomShart brakepads and fluids still need to be changed. Battery modules are usually cooled with some oily concoction ,and that has an expiry date, so that needs to be changed also after its lifetime end (at latest). So yes, you need servicing, but it's not that complicated as in ICEs (source: trust me, I'm an engineer)
@RandomShart I haven't had mine in, but I have heard that they try to get people to bring them in. There are very few things to worry about and most can be done by owners.
@@Tom_murray89 Yes it will
I like the new profile Pic!
Very refreshing!
"badges on the rear": not here in Germany we didn't. Some 50% of cars didn't have markings on the rear as a form of understatement... you found out about the others on the Autobahn. I am (was) guilty of that game too, back then.
Back in the day, the ABS badge was actually useful : it meant "My brakes work, don't drive so close" :)
Here in Portugal the designation and model of a car is also passé. I guess no one wants to admit that he has a diesel.
Some drivers here (California) remove all badging from the back of their car including the model ... I guess either to make a cheaper model look more expensive or to hide the fact that it's an expensive model.
If you are waiting for the better tech you'll always be waiting as EVs constantly will improve just like your phone or your TV.
There are good EVs out there now and you can know when you upgrade next time it will be even better.
While it does make sense for some people to buy electric cars right now, for others that isn't necessarily the case. I would love to own one, but I have no place to charge it where I live. So I'm waiting to move. But waiting for the tech tech to improve is pointless. Often times people ask me if they should buy a new phone or laptop or PC right now, or should they wait. And I always tell them the same: If you need it, buy it now. If not, don't.
I will wait for affordable used EVs with enough boot space. And of course being able to charge at home or at least during groceries shoping
@@TheThink5op You'll never be able to charge at home at a decent speed until you pay to upgrade your home to have a higher output, regardless of how far car tech comes.
If you keep waiting for the best, life will pass you by, enjoy now and live for now
As always, very informative, Rory! Thanks for posting this. Looking forward to better and cleaner technologies!
On tech? Yes. On batteries? Maybe. But the future batteries are probably mostly cheap, simple cobalt free iron phosphate batteries with about 160 to 200 Wh/kg. It's going to be interesting to see what Tesla's new 4680 cells will do in a couple of years.
is it a tesla or a pansonic batterie?
@@mariojakel5544 They are all essentially Tesla batteries that Panasonic has been contracted to manufacture according to Tesla's formulation and specs. 4680 is merely a form factor and indicates the size of the battery and not the composition. With their older batteries, they used form factors that are available off the shelf, but the cells' composition is not the same as what you'd get in a store. So a lot of people get confused between the type of cell, the size of the cell, and between the manufacturer and designer.
@@bW9taeH4 the 4680 maybe the size but they are a tabless design and use a dry electrode and will use a high nickel chemistry. Tesla and Panasonic will be making them initially but I understand LG and possibly CATL will be as well in the future but I don't ever see an LFP chemistry ever used as not energy-dense enough to be used in the vehicles that need a long range.
@@markreed9853 That was exactly my point. Saying that it's a 4680 tells you the size and nothing else. Somebody else could make a battery called a 4680 that's a completely different design but it still a battery.
We'll be mostly driving around using LFP batteries in the near future. In a decade, who knows
That's a really good, informative video. Could do with more like this. People need to know the boring details about EVs instead of the headline-grabbing announcements.
If they added retro fit capability in the design that would help, i mean the floor pan and pack box isnt going to change much if at all.
If they had it so it was more like a PC, where you could swap out to more efficient higher power products as the need arises that would be near perfect
In theory, that all sounds logical... Until you're driving down a dark country lane in the middle of nowhere at 2am and all of a sudden... You get a _blue screen_ on your dashboard and everything on the car just dies 8-))...
The problem is that cars would need to be designed with new battery technology in mind and would limit some advanves in technology,the battery is a integral part of the structure of the car and isn't easy changinh for something new.
@@thezanzibarbarian5729 May I ask why someone would be randomly doing that?
@@Zippiye0001 Have you never just jumped into your car at night and gone for a drive?
@@thezanzibarbarian5729 not without reason no
Never understood the mindset of "I don't want to buy now because the tech might change", that's the case with buying anything ever.
You will never dip your toe in the water with this mindset
Well, the current electric vehicles are very expensive, impractical and unreliable. So people justifiably don't want to be beta testers for rich ceo selling you a lifestyle you can't afford.
Yes, but at least wait until a technology become sufficiently competitive. Nowadays electric cars are just NOT an option, against ICE cars.
@@argh6666 they're expensive, yes, but they are certainly not "impractical and unreliable" for many people. Yes yes, I know, "but I don't have off-street parking", and, "but I need to drive 700 miles each day", and "but the road trip I do twice a year will take an extra hour", blah blah. Everyone's well aware EVs aren't for *everyone*, but for people who can charge at home or work, they are better than ICE cars for most things.
@@BICIeCOMPUTERconGabriele Don’t agree with you. The bev is the best for me and my family.
I was surprised to discover how much cobolt is used in the production of diesel - it's quite a lot, you could easily use far more cobolt driving a diesel car than even the worst EV
Yes, but it's basically used ONCE (albeit with a tiny amount of degredation).
It takes about 1 pound of cobalt to remove the sulfur from 80,000 gallons of petroleum products, like gasoline. 80,000 gallons would power a car for about 2.4 million miles, but 98.8% of that cobalt is recoverable, meaning we permanently lose only a pound of cobalt for every 6.6 million gallons we refine.
Good pitch. Except the part that it is wrong. Like the user above pointed out.
@@CivicMikey and we are already getting EVs with cobalt free batteries so in the long run EVs will still probably end up using less cobalt on average.
@@CivicMikey Are you cure cobalt can't be recovered from batteries? Recycling is becoming a thing with Tesla already building a recycling facility and will have more, and since more EVs are sold in China, there are companies in China that recycle batteries. They recover about 90% of materials used but I'm not going back to read the details of what is and what isn't recovered.
@@garethbaus5471 Or the amount is less, and it's recoverable.
What about HHO powered cars.
Can somebody please put this resource into perspective against changing away from 4 - stroke to electric. This is another fuel that is co2 less. And we already have the technology. Are we being conned ??????
As someone who has been a broadcaster for over thirty years, I recognise really good presentation. Superbly explained with just enough wit and panache. Underplaying is so refreshing in an era of "shouty presenters".
6:20 The new VW with Solid State technology: Berlin to Warsaw in one tank
"levels of smugness" is what I investigate when searching for a new car.
Same here and avoid the high levels of smug producing cars.
Great Video - good to hear Rory consider hydrogen too given JCB and Japanese commitment.
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I think the acronym is SS which is a bit troublesome based on VW's history of WW2. 😂
Hi Lionel. The last of the quick Oz Holden's was going to be badged SS, super sport,but they chickened out. A
@@andrewplayer800 @@andrewplayer800 I remember that, but at least they were an Australian company and part of the allied forces and not the axis side, so it wouldn't have mattered as much.
SS Super Sport
Lamborghini and Maserati did use SS as an addition on some models. They were axis ;)
@@MdvK13979 Italy was Axis.
@@lionelgower6877 Yeah, that was the joke. And, lambos are now German on top of it.
When the 500 mile ones come out, the 1000 mile ones will be 3 years away, and so on.
Good analysis- on my 2nd electric car never going back to fossil fuel, I’d kill for a boot lid on a decent saloon BEV, I loathe SUVs.....
You're so virtuous . your car is loaded with toxic batteries. Where do you think electricity comes from ?
My solar panels and my eco electricity supplier? Lol.... you dinosaur lovers are funny 😁
Careful with such virtuesignaling. 2nd car, why did you replace the 1st? You'd pollute less by not replacing an older ICE car, depending on mileage. You've replaced an ICE for 2 electrics
@@netiturtle you do realise people upgrade cars and sell their previous one on right? Just because he's on his 2nd electric car, doesn't mean the 1st one broke. The 1st one could have been a used car as well. So many assumptions.
@@mistert800 You do realize unnecessary "upgrading", driven by wants rather than needs, is a major contribution to pollution. I don't know why he replaced, so I asked. I admit suspecting him falling to the category of people who drive the newest EV to project an image, while polluting more than someone maintaining an older car. But I wasn't making assumptions, unlike you, when clearing the OP from possible fault in logic, by assumption(1st one could have been..).
Electric cars are easier to make than fuel cars. So in future, people can assemble or make them in their garages and sell them. There will be a lot of electric car manufacturers and this will become a problem for current manufacturers as it will eat into their sales.
So about the 800v, something that you don't mention which turns out to be very important. Temperature. The charging speed is great on them sure, but one of the better advantages with 800v is the temperature control because you don't need as thick wiring to hold the charge. A side effect of this is weight, since you can use thinner wiring, weight is kept to a minimum (since move of the weight will be the battery itself).
Not actually to hold the charge, but to deliver the charging current. Higher voltage means lower current which equals thinner wires, but often requires thicker insulation.
Brilliant review, Rory, you are the number one car reviewer for me. Great evaluation of the market. Perhaps if people want to save the planet by choosing electric cars, perhaps we should get away from the 200mph idea. Nearly all of all the worlds non urban roads are limited to something around 80-90mph max. So let's just limit ALL vehicles to that, say 100mph. As, travelling any faster in whatever vehicle will just use more electricity, which needs to be generated one way or another. People should just stop wasting electricity, or any other power source, make smaller, more efficient cars, and endeavour to get people out of heavy/big cars. Most of us aren't much bigger than people were 50 years ago most everyday cars weighed about a tonne. So why are cars so huge now? Just need to stop it...
Imagine having some bad situation like medical emergency. You will be happy to go more than 100mph on highway...
And its same like saying you dont need big house, you dont need this and this you can surivive in small flat with one led light and 15 degrees celsius in winter... You can but its not your free choice and much fun imho
What's your take on the increasing car prices.. stopping cheaper models.. Interested to know..
He's already done a video on that - scoot back through the Autotrader history maybe a month 😃
My take is that the legacy carmakers are making a great path for Chinese manufacturers to introduce their way cheaper models with similair specs, making themselves obsolete by doing so.
@@sneaky_krait7271 BYD EA1 is about to released in my part of the world, it's $35k as opposed to a base Model 3 at $65k. $40k will get you the 400km/250mi version.
For the price of a Model 3 you can go to BYD and get a 5 seater car, home battery setup, a solar system to charge it all and still have some change left over.
@@deanchur Yes I know, which is why I think European, Japanese and American have done too little too late and are pricing themselves out of the market now, especially the cheaper brands
As always, top notch videos Rorzy! You are by far the best car reviewer on UA-cam. Keep up with the good work bro! 😉👍🏼
Rory always pumps out cool content. 👏🏼🤘🏼
Lfp also allows you to charge to 100% without damaging it where as reg batteries should be charged to 80%
Any well made electric car with 150 miles or more of range would be a good car regardless of how far the newer ones can go on a charge. Our current tech is already more than good enough we just need to make it cheaper.
It’s a disgrace how expensive they are. With all the components that go into an engine and the development thereof..., how on earth they can justify the cost of these things is beyond my me
I need better range and charging time.
The biggest improvements need to come in the charging network.
If I could get a guaranteed charger which was working and available then the current range and charging speed is enough [Polestar 2]
Thank you. My view exactly. I have no issue with my electric car but plenty of issues with all the clowns in the charging business. I hate myself for saying so but I wish the "oil companies" would realize that they have to be "energy companies" now in order to have a future, to begin to take electric car charging seriously and put high speed chargers, under cover at every forecourt at a price that will drive muppets like Osprey, Instavolt and the like out of the market. The only ones I have any time at all for are Pod Point and Chargeplace Scotland.
Covers over charging stations. Is that too much to ask for, really? "You nice and dry filling your diesel car up there mate? Yeah, well I'm handling 400 Volts in the pouring rain here and I'm about to shit myself"
And here's a migration tip for all EV drivers. Move to Scotland where you can charge your cars for half the cost of charging in England, or for free even, and they're everywhere. And if you live in North Wales, don't even bother. Most chargers are broken and will never be repaired anyway.
Given our situation with our environment, nothing should be viewed as obsolete until it's not used anymore.
I'm not waiting for batteries to get "betta", I'm waiting for me to get more "richa". Then I'll buy a 1,111hp Lucid Dream.
Hehe mocking the british, I love that
Model X Gang
You can’t get the Dream edition anymore as they only made a certain amount.
The Lucids you will be able to get is the Pure, the Touring and the Grand Touring
Polestar 2 has a sticker on the side of it. 78kWh/300kW.
Really enjoy your excellent no nonsense videos and reviews, informative, entertaining but no waffle nor hype, the information you delivery has authenticity and therefore really useful and believable.
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Simple! The car is needed now! Not whenever 'in the future'! That and things will always be obsolete when they come out! You'll never have a car if you jeep waiting for 'the next new thing in the future!'
It depends to what extreme you take the Osborne effect. Just putting off your next purchase of an ICE car in the hopes that an affordable Tesla, e.g. the Model 2, will come your way in time, is the Osborne effect of a car in general.
Whens the next installment of the second hand leaf video coming out?
I want the range test video!
Brilliantly informative and very enjoyable video.
Don't tesla model 3 dual motors have 'dual motor' on the back? Also the model S say 'P90' or 'P100d' to differentiate them
"What are VW going to use as an acronym for Solid State?..."
Brilliant... 🤣🤣🤣
FZ of course (Fester Zustand - solid state)
@@simonthomas8814 brilliant. Makes perfect sense!
@@simonthomas8814 Good save!
@@simonthomas8814 No it's a joke about the German Nazi police called SS ..
@@unskeptable woooooosssshhhh
What concerns me, is what happens when the bloody thing breaks down! Is it only the dealer that’s capable of repairing it! and we all know what they work on per hour!
Here in the UK at least Stephen, we already have a number of independent EV specialists. I'm fortunate in that both guys who operate the garage in my village have both recently qualified to work on electric vehicles. There is an organisation in the UK which offers training courses for motor vehicle engineers whom wish to "convert"......
Once I noticed your collar I couldn’t stop staring 😂 also tech improves constantly so no point waiting 👍🏻
Waiting is prudent in the face of unaffordable cars.
Solid State will massively increase range as well as shorten charge time. It will also prevent dendrite formation and the fires that come from them.
I just got an e-tron MY22 for the U.S. market, and happy that I did coming from an S4 with my girls getting bigger. Thing is, I know a refreshed e-tron, along with a Q6 is coming, but that didn't stop me. I think it's smart to not buy an electric vehicle now, but rather lease it, as battery tech is changing fast. For those who buy, just know that your vehicle will age and drop in value quicker possibly.
I dont know about that. The used EVs are still pretty expensive at the moment
@@TheThink5op That could be just due to the weird used car market now. Our values increased when new car shortages shocked the auto industry. That's still present.
For example, I got a lot more for my 2018 S4 than what it should be worth right now. At least here in the U.S. Audi dealerships are getting anywhere from 150-220 cars on their lots by February.
Putting two and two together, just five months prior, my S4 was worth $5-6k less when dealers still had cars. End of last month when I got rid of it, with more miles on it than it had five months ago, it was worth a lot more as the dealership only had 7 cars on their lot. Got rid of it earlier than I wanted due to the profits and once in a life-time circumstances.
Those profits will dwindle back down to normal when new cars are back on the lots. So...I see what you're saying, but the inflated values of our pre-owns will eventually adjust back to normal.
2018 S4 Prestige CPO w/ 20,143 miles purchase late February for $40,199.
Sold last week of October...so 8 months later for $43,260.
I checked my cars value in June and July of this year. June I was offered $36,800 and July, I was offered $37,300.
So if you have a pre-owned Audi, sell it asap...and if you're looking to go electric with an e-tron from Audi, my advise is to lease it only.
Excellent! Nice cover of alternate sources of materials and tech.
When are you posting the next video on the Leaf? Have you done any range tests and did you do a comparison when you are using the a/c and heating and when not? Looking forward to it.
The range test is complete... we'll show you the results soon. It's amazing how a/c affect range. -RR
@@AutoTraderTV looking forward!
@@AutoTraderTV Hi Rory, another excellent video, BUT I have to disagree with your point about Lithium-Ion batteries. Unfortunately this IS soon going to be outdated and will make way for Lithium-Metal batteries. The reason Li-Met batteries aren't currently used is they are unstable (they have tendency to spontaneously combust), so obviously can't be used in EV's. However, recently, a team of researchers from the Material Sciences department at Harvard have found a way to stabilise Li-Met batteries so they're far less dangerous and the tech is now more applicable to EV's. Li-Met is considered 'the holy grail' of battery technology because of its extremely high energy density, meaning a lot more energy can be stored within the same volume, and the charging times are MUCH faster. 10-20 minutes to achieve a full charge, and the battery can go through at least 10,000 charge and discharge cycles, long outlasting the current lifespan of Li-Ion batteries, and even gas powered engines, not too mention a MUCH MUCH larger range and better performance figures
@@GlockGrippa define “soon”
Hi Rory, interesting theme. I think the badge thing will be consigned to the past. We used to get the trim level on the badge; L, GL, GLX, Ghia, SRi etc. I think we've all moved on from this. All except Porsche that is... The marketing person who thought that putting a turbo badge on an electric car was a good idea should spend the rest of their working life asking customers if they'd like fries with that.
My E86 is going nowhere, it’s an old beautiful stra8 six naturally aspirated engine coupled onto a manual gearbox, it keeps me always from new car showrooms and protects me from the poverty of paying car finance, hence leaving me with money to invest in EV technologies at the end of every month. I concur Rory, the technology is changing quicker than a rabbit gets ….. you know. Good news is that my e86 survived the ULEZ onslaught so I look forward to more years of straight six driving fun whilst waiting for further developments in EV vehicle.
Don't electrons flow from Anode to Cathode in the external circuit?
Labels shown incorrectly on the circuit!
Yes, Negative to Positive. However, its often taught Positive to Negative "Conventional Current Flow" vs the actual "Electron Flow"
Thanks but your circuit and descriptions are incorrect.
The long thin line on the battery symbol is the anode +. The short fat line is the cathode -. Electrons flow from the cathode to the anode.
That was informing :)
Loads of new stuff to learn and try and understand for us oldschool geeks who knows shit about internal combustion that no sane person basicly gives a flying fox about.
A pretty good video, but so much left out.
Tesla uses NCA batteries - Nickel Cobalt Aluminum - Kind of bizarre the EV leader was completely left out of the discussion
Also, the quickest EV now is the Tesla Model S Plaid, not the Taycan. The Plaid uses a single speed gearbox.
And, Tesla Model S used AC Induction motors from 2012 until about 2018 to 2019, vs the Permanent Magnet motors common today.
Maybe a lack of time. space and research but feels like a lot was omitted which was pretty important here.
Wow, an SS that doesn’t use gas.
I'm triggered!
Tomislav B. Don’t shower praise!
At present my Taycan costs somewhere between £20:-25 to charge 100miles = to my former 4.4 RR only it takes about 40mins to charge it at an Ecotricity station - when they are available and/or working.
I'm going to wait until range is 400+ miles, with a sub 15 minute charge.
In the meantime - I'll spend 35 times as much money and hours more every year driving somewhere just to charge.
Lucid Air got 520 miles of range and charges 20 miles/minute in the battery.
waiting is the best thing to do right now!
@@Z3t487 And where can you buy one? Where do you get it serviced?
@@noneofyourbusines1476 You have to upload a video, man, my replies keep getting see as spam by the AI edgelords. Maybe your comment section will be safer. Or try asking under one of my videos.
Edit: 𝐂𝐡𝐞𝐜𝐤 𝐨𝐧 𝐥𝐮𝐜𝐢𝐝𝐦𝐨𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐬 𝐰𝐞𝐛𝐬𝐢𝐭𝐞 𝐭𝐨 𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐞 𝐢𝐭 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐬𝐞𝐞 𝐢𝐟 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐥𝐨𝐜𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐢𝐬 𝐜𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐝.
This comment survived a whole minute, yoohoo!
Don't forget badges for trim levels, L, GL, or GLS if you've got a sunroof etc.
God that Ioniq 5 takes my eyes every time!
Same here. Only caveat is that I drove it in the last few days and it won't go under 25 kWh/100 km at 130-135 km/h. Solar roof and transparent panel, plus AWD have added a lot of kilos and the car is not aerodynamic by any means.
@@vicheaterx it is aerodynamic despite its somewhat boxy shape, which is thanks to the lack of front grill and rounded edges. If the climate where you live is cold, it is understandable. I still think its worth its practicality and looks. Its also jacked up with AWD so you could have some fun in snow, mud or dirt!
Badges: Solid State Battery SSB; dual gear or twin gear; Full 5G (autonomous drive); TORQUE; 060 (motors focused on torque rather on HP); Circular (a car made from recycled materials evoking circular economy);etc.
Another informative and enjoyable video. Nice work Rory 👍🏾
I usually wait before buying the latest tech and I’m usually on the previous version of say, an iPhone. When it comes to EVs, they’re not new; I’d say we’re on 3rd gen battery tech/performance now. You could wait, but for how long? Tech always improves and whatever you settle on will always be superseded by an improved version.
If a long winter blackout occurs in a land of electric cars most of the population will
perish in the freezing cold. The gas powered car that would provide cabin heat for
many days will not be there. The electric car could only supply heat for a short time
and would quickly discharge its battery making a trip to a shelter impossible.
firstly, on a combustion car, you could expect it to idle on a full tank (assuming you just happened to fill up before the blackout, unlikley, whilst you charge your EV every night). for around 80-120 hours, depending on your fuel tank and engine size. Meanwhile a modern BEV with a full charge can run its cabin heater for around 75-135 hours depending on your battery size (50-100kWh).
Next we can talk about things like refueling or recharging. Now we both know that without electricity, you cant buy fuel. The fuel pumps dont work and they cant process your payment anyway. So you have what ever fuel you have in jerry cans or if you have generator. Now if you have jerry cans. good for you, point to combustion. However if you have a generator, and most likely jerry cans to run the generator. (whats the point of owning a genny if you dont have fuel for it). Then its actually *more fuel efficient* to charge your EV with a cheap portable generator than it is to use that same fuel in a modern combustion engine.
So if you're justing sitting in the cabin to stay warm, then its pretty neck and neck between EV and ICE assuming you just filled your fuel tank. (unlikely but we'll roll with it). but if you have a generator, EV's clearly take the cake. Giving longer hours and ranges with that fuel than you would putting it in ICE.
real life is full of suprises. I know.
Lots of great stuff here... thanks. I think that buying the latest tech is always an issue, no sooner than you buy it, there is something new. I did my maths and worked out that if I wanted the latest car tech, leasing works out cheaper for me. Drive a Hyundai Kona EV and the fuel savings covers a large cost of the lease.
Rory, you are the best, the VW "SS" joke was spot on!
Me watching this on an Intel 386 PC and CRT
Your right collar was triggering my OCD 🤣
Hello🙂 Thank you for sharing this interesting video! You mentioned a thing a few videos ago, regarding the petrol car ban in 2030 in the U.K.. Would you consider having a full electric car for your daily commute and maybe a petrol sports car for the weekends? Or would both be fully electric? Or would you consider buying an EV which tackles Performance and daily usability? Hope you don‘t mind my bad English skills, I don‘t need to speak or write English very often. Hope to hear your thoughts. With kind regards from Germany, Julian
Bad English skills? probably better than the vast majority of people that are actually English, never apologise when you can write or speak in another Language, being English myself I'm ashamed to say as nearly everybody seems to speak it like most that live here we don't bother to learn another language bad I know but sadly true. And there is no petrol car ban here in 2030 it just means you will not be able to buy a brand new one after that date, there will still be millions of petrol and diesel cars on the road for many many years after 2030.
@@pillred5974 Thank you! Yes, „petrol car ban“ could definitely be misunderstood. I finance a BMW G21 318d Touring M Sport with a 6 speed manual gearbox. Personally I think it is a great car and ticks nearly all the boxes. But after owning it for a few months now I realize, that it is a bit too big, but as I‘m not a big fan of the new 1series, the 2series gran coupe and the SUV’s it was the best choice, as I wanted to own a Bmw. And the salesman offered me a fair deal. But thinking 5 years ahead I consider „buying“ a smaller and sportier car (with a petrol engine, probably a used one) for the weekend and maybe a BEV for the daily business. But I have mixed feelings about this, especially with this whole climate discussion. I‘m convinced that we should do everything we could to protect our beautiful planet. But as a fan of petrol cars and knowing that we only got this one life, I would like to enjoy a nice, affordable sports car/roadster. First world problems, but yeah it is my motivation. Also to educate myself and be able to communicate with more people outside Germany. I wish you a nice evening!
@@jlnmlng8372 Personally I hope that's still a viable option, an ICE vehicle that does low annual mileage + an electric vehicle for day-to-day. However I suspect they'll be taxed off the roads for most. Would you be willing to keep a 2nd petrol car around if the standing costs get really high? I hope they put most of the tax on fuel, so someone who just takes their pride and joy out for the occasional drive doesn't have to pay loads just to keep it on the road.
@@thepandaman As the UK moving to road pricing, excluding charging a fortune for petrol/diesel through heavy taxation, standing charges for a low mileage fossil fuel fun car should reduce. After the bulk of ICE cars are scrapped, say 2050, we may be reduced to buying our synthetic fuel at the chemist as petrol stations will have disappeared. 😀
Volvo's Lambda Sond was reference to the oxygen sensor- not Catalytic converter
VW e-wagen SS , Berlin to Warsaw in one charge
Is that you Jeremy?
Already obsolete, no battery range no chargers worthless, when they bring out a model that has a range of 600 miles with a range of 15 mins top up the battery?
no thank I will come back in twenty years nice Video.
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There's no reason why any electric car need be obsolete. Quite the opposite... It's entirely feasible to retrofit older electric cars with newer longer range cheaper and more efficient batteries.
If anything electric cars should last far longer than their ICE equivalents
Swapping out batteries will never be a cost effective viable option. The batteries are in many cases are half of the vehicle cost and proprietary.
Swapping out a battery on an EV is the equivelant to swapping out an entire engine on a petrol car, may as well just buy a new car in that case.
... and there is a growing market for second-life EV batteries, perhaps supporting battery upgrades in the future (as there is value in the old EV batteries); ~70% of original capacity might be a bit rubbish in an EV, but they can be (and are being) repurposed in home energy storage systems, where this reduced capacity is not an issue. Important that this is done responsibly however through professionals who can check that old EV batteries are not at risk or catching fire - and reject the ones which might be at risk.
@@WelcomeToDERPLAND But of course, like an engine, you can also have a tired EV battery pack refurbished, usually at much less cost than a complete new battery......
@@matthewhuszarik4173 So how about a battery pack refurb, at a fraction of the costs of a new battery? It's already happening in the UK.....
People purchased ICE cars in the beginning of car manufacturering knowing that there would be better ones on the way, like computers or mobile phones... Like you said, you have to buy the one that is right for you at that time
I'd say, yes. Today's electric cars are like the first pentium processors. Look at the horrendous resale values of the first Nissan Leafs. impressive at first, but quickly overtaken in terms of overall speed, price, and everything. However, it's getting to the point of acceptable charge times and ranges. IMO, the Model Y makes the Model X obsolete already. Nearly just as practical, for like half the price. And don't tell me a model X is much more luxurious. It isn't luxurious at all.
@Torero No 1MB ram 10MB HDD PC ever ran Windows 3.11.
Yes the depreciation is a big problem for buying new EV's, especially right now because we are only at the beginning of this new tech. However for second hand market it is great news, because of the hard depreciation we can get cheap EV's sooner rather than later.
Most EV's have low depreciation, usually the lowest of a manufacturer's mainstream cars. Even before the second-hand car price craziness. Audi, Porsche, Kia, Hyundai have all said their EV's have lower depreciation than the equivalent combustion cars in their ranges.
Used Tesla's are being sold for more than new ones in the US because of the 6 month wait time.
Good video. Something important is the fact the EV are not precisely eco-friendly.
I doubt anything a modern human does is "precisely" eco-freindly.
Love watching you. Intelligent , well spoken and friendly.
I really enjoy these videos; I learn so much in such a short amount of time. Great insight! Thank you, Rory and team.
The German ss badge took me out 💀
You have to remember that in terms of eco-friendly, a new car is always bad for the environment.
Keeping your old electric vehicle is the biggest eco-friendly thing you can brag about.
Not necessarily, it really depends on your situation, what your current car is, and what you would be replacing it with.
Engineering Explained did a fantastic video about whether it is better for the environment to keep your old car or to get a new EV. I highly recommend it.
@@bolt5564 Not exactly. The biggest issue in EE’s video is that he assumes that if you get rid of your car, then the car will no longer be driven. That is not true, because often you will sell your car to another owner who will then drive the car. Currently, from the standpoint of emissions, it will always be better to keep driving a fully electric car until it is deemed no longer fit for the road.
This will change in the future if full EVs becomes the primary transport vehicle on the road, but until that’s the case, it will be better to keep running an EV to the ground, even if it means replacing the battery in between
@@sijankhan7796 when you sell your used car it will either add to the used car market putting downward pressure on said market, allowing someone to junk their older more polluting car and replace it with your car, or it will be junked itself. Either way you are probably taking a more polluting car off the road.
Nice presentation and very informative Rory. Good job dude 👌
Pretty divisive throwaway comment about cobalt bearing in mind it is also used in the refinement of crude oil, which is used to make petrol, diesel, kerosene and pretty much any fossil fuel that you can think of!
I think waiting for the absolute best is what scuttled many technologies, remember the disc movie player? VHS took care of that.
I'm just waiting for electric cars to be affordable and for more public charging in my area, where I live there is 1 charging point
Fair enough. But it’s worth factoring in the pretty startling savings you make over the year with an EV, especially the efficient ones built with longevity in mind.
@@cbromley562 That's all well and good, but I can't run a massive extension lead to my house, so I would be 100% reliant on public charging and as I said there is one plug for a whole town
@@Elkott Yeah, that is a significant issue, albeit unrelated to affordability.
@@cbromley562 I'm sure they'll get there eventually but I'm concerned time is running out, we have 8 years now until the ban on new combustion cars and some areas like mine are so far behind where they need to be
@@Elkott Yep, this is a real problem…makes me feel we’re very fortunate simply having charging facility. On the brighter side, there’ll be good used ICE vehicles around for donkey’s years…let’s hope they don’t tax the crap out of them. If it’s handled badly, a lot of people will be penalised unfairly. Let’s hope Gridserve/Instavolt/ Tesla decide to move into your area.
Man the way you present is just gold. Im fairly new here and am enjoying the content. Cheers
I’m gonna get the Bmw iX
Rule of thumb I reckon is if it depreciates, rent. If it appreciates, buy. My next car will be on a lease that looks like value for money. Of course car technology will improve over time, and I look forward to driving them in the future.
The idea of the personally owned vehicle is going to come to an end for most of the world's population. Cities will have to be taken over by mass transit. Cars will only be for people in rural areas.
Agree 100 %. I will buy my last car next year. After that I will order a driverless Über when I need a transportation or travel.
Not going to happen. Having your own car is popular for a reason. It has a massive positive effect on one's standard of living. For most people outside large cities, relying on public transport or taxis would be crippling.
Can't see people in China, Indonesia or India giving up their scooters and cars anytime soon either.
@@MyMednas We have different personality. I try to imagine the things that are unimaginable today. Some powerful people said that internet was a hype and nothing to care about and so on.
@@Harrythehun not quite so convenient if you have a ladder or a few bags of cement to move though.......
Solid State cars will have a cool acronym SSX, SSR...
so leasing is the best option for an electric car !!
I don't know why I enjoyed this geeky talk about batteries so much. Plus I spent 9mins wanting to fix your collar 😂
Please review Toyota Hydrogen combustion Engine 🙏
Toyota doesn't make a Hydrogen combustion engine, I assume you most be talking about a Hydrogen fuel-cell vehicle.
@@zoltrix7779 yess toyota make hydrogen combustion engine prototype
Are solid state batteries the ones that use graphene technology? In that case I'm happy to hear that they are only a few years away
"There are going to be levels of smugness here." You got yourself a new subscribers, 😂.
Brilliant presentation and not hyped up.......what a pleasant change.
Very informative.. and the SS reference.. hilarious.
"Will Today's Electric Cars Soon Be OBSOLETE?" A: No. Not if they still do what you need. We're keeping our 2016 e-Golf SE with 84-mile range until it craps out. So far, almost zero battery degradation, even without battery thermal management. We replaced tires, wipers, and washer fluid. We charge it almost exclusively on 110-120 v with GFCI. That's it. Does 99.735% of our driving needs; rentals for the rest. Don't _need_ a big ass touchscreen, FSD, sub 4 second 0 - 60, etc. etc. It's transportation, not a fashion accessory.
And once it "craps out" you could just get the battery pack refurbished at a fraction of the cost of a complete new replacement......