Ip chun chi sau Shaun Rawcliffe and others.wmv
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- A short video of Ip Chun performing chi sau with sifu Shaun Rawcliffe and a few others (who I don't know the names of, sorry) at the first ving tsun conference. I hope the people in the video don't mind me posting this, I'll take it down if it's a problem with any of you guys. This is uploaded without permission but with epic respect for their skill and contribution to the art. Sifuchen.
Look, how responsive master Ip Chun is. He is the real deal Wing Chun master
2:05 - when you try so hard to dominate an old man with aggression then get smacked on the nose for it. Adding tension clearly made it more possible for Ip Chun to sense the strikes and openings, amazing exhibition of composure by the old master.
Put in there an amateur boxer....
Great video! I learned much from that. It is amazing that Master Ip Chun retained this much sensitivity, reflex, footwork etc at age of 70+. This is a great example of how Wing Chun helps you to understand your body through very simple exercises.
respect for a great master - the best thing with kung fu is to see elder men being agile, aware, and combative
to all the haters u will be lucky if u are able to pie on your own at 75 let alone fight.show some respect for the great man
I'm not a "hater" but, with all due respect, nobody's "fighting" in this video, I don't think anyone in history has ever "fought" like this. As my Wing Chun teacher told me to begin with, chi sao is not fighting, it's an exercise to develop attributes that can be helpful in fighting.
the caveman the exercise is to develop the sense through one’s arms in CQB, to control the situation, not for offense. Think that this system is limited to this exercise is total ignorance. A open minded disciple could adapt Wingchun to various styles, if he get the very core, the basic concepts.
Why is he great? He is Ip Man's son sure, but that doesn't make him great. I have no idea if any of Ip Man's students can fight except maybe 5 or 6.
@@solus161 so funny why would you put yourself in the situation like this with this old man playing arm tricks if you could just jab him, leg kick elbows and knees.
@@rosenamajunas1159 this is just an exercise, a contest where people compete in defined skills. But it requires fine motor nerves and good footwork to not getting overwhelmed, meaning it's easier to avoid/negate/block jab, kick, elbow etc. What looks like to you (two men swinging their arms) is one stress testing other opening for strike. But if your opponent is way bigger than you, that's another story. In my country, wingchun, and all other varieties are taught to police forces and their wingchun could be different. Masters like Ipchun are like textbook, and instructors learning from them could develop their own varieties.
I'm surprised that some would be so aggressive in their time with him.
sugarfuut Yeah man you’re totally right, huge lack of respect (knowing for sure the grampa would hit them hard and fast if he wanted to...)
@@detritusman it would be disrespectful to not try
I think he is asking for it as it is for the show and i wouldnt be surprised cause his defensive and movement is still there for his age
if i was good at chi sau, i don't think i have to guts to hit ip chun out of respect
Darknives, thank you for explaining. I find it funny to hear people comment and say "there was no kicking" "there was no takedowns" and junk like that. People, like he said, it's a drill called Chi Sau. It is NOT sparring. It's ultimately not even competition. It's all about helping each other learn sensitivity. This is a beautiful art and I have loved learning it. Please be respectful.
Extraordinary skills from the son of the extraordinary master ip man
this is the result when you dedicate your life learning something worthy, will be a legend.
Damn!!!!!! the old man is fast!!!!!!!!! He's a perfect example of that...........
"YOU JUST NEVER KNOW HE REALLY IS" type........at first glance.........he's a very harmless looking old man........but here.........he's lightning quick, and his hands are quicker then his mind...... I guess it really is true what a finance coach of mine once said............. those who know don't need to say anything........those who don't know....say all the time
that last move by ip chun was epic :D a living legend!
lol I love how Ip Chun makes him pay for it though ;;
great master wing chun best martial arts than all
Amazing display of Chi Sao, I would love to train with Ip Chun.
Muito respeito por esse estilo de luta do saudoso mestre Ip Man!!
The greatest achievement is selflessness.
The greatest worth is self-mastery.
The greatest quality is seeking to serve others.
The greatest precept is continual awareness.
The greatest medicine is the emptiness of everything.
The greatest action is not conforming with the worlds ways.
The greatest magic is transmuting the passions.
The greatest generosity is non-attachment.
The greatest goodness is a peaceful mind.
The greatest wisdom is seeing through appearances.
1:25 wtf?
Excuse my language, but.....FUCKING AWESOME!! Just wonderful. I would love to learn this since I am soon going to have hip-replacement surgery, and I don't know if I will be able to even throw a kick afterwards. But this is just great!!!
Most of the people who talk bad about Wing Chun probably haven't grasp the understanding of it.Here is a Man who has lived longer than all of us and live Wing Chun.None of us youngster have any right to say anything bad,great job GM Ip Chun
ip chun would have killed them with chi sao in if he was their age.
yoyoandbow if one does not bring back their wu sao in time when doing bong soa one will get hit by me. Talk with your hands not with age, status or anythibg else
Yea how about firstly you talk about your awful spelling, then you can comment whatever pleases you
Believe me, they would have shown him much less respect if they had gone easy on him. Yip Chun wanted the world to see how far his western students have come since the 70's. It is Wing Chun philosophy to train in the most realistic manner possible without anyone getting harmed. The fact that some of these guys are really going for it only further underlines Yip Chun's skill.
เล่นตบแปะกันหรอ...อาจารย์มือตกไปเยอะนะครับ...ผมบลูชลีไง
2:25 - and that's a wrap!
absolutely great Grandmaster
Chi Sau is a training game. The game part is trying to get your opponent to make a mistake and thus create an opening. The training part is in developing the sensitivity in (not just) the arms and wrists. As this develops with practice, the opponents intentions can be felt early as well as reactions speed up now that the arm no longer has to wait for the eye to relay signals to the brain. No hits are counted and no score is kept as the practitioners are really trying to help each other.
What this training adds to the Kung Fu is an increased ability to counter and deflect and a much more instinctive way of applying techniques. The actual striking is left out for obvious reasons. It does seem counter intuitive in the very beginning, but it very quickly animates the "static" techniques learnt in the forms.
OMG IP IS WONDERFUL...... I LOVE IP MAN
Thats his son incase you think its him if u didnt then im wrong
Bordereye
Thats a none constructive coment
Against a great Kung Fu grand master
A great Sifu and a living legend,
He's been training his whole life
The slaps on his arms are to show
You how solid his block is and how
Strong his stance is .....
Do you train ?
That's a shame, may I ask how come? I'm trying to work up the funds and contacts to go train there for a month, I'm in Wales and don't drive so it's kinda awkward. Went to a seminar he did in November though, insane skills on the guy, good laugh too. I'm gutted for you that you had to stop :(
Having spent a lot of time for video of Ip chun, he is only a man with his famous father'name and , in fact, does not know how to perform " principle of wing chun". Furthermore, he only can practise his wing chun form to be similar as wing chun execrise. If you go through another style of wing chun in China, I guess that they are much better than his style . At least , they know how to use power from their waist and horse strand is more stable than him.
Alright, but what exactly makes you think that he would let you gain control of his wrist and how are you assuming that you are going to do this?
Do you know what he would attempt to do to counter it?
I have been lucky enough to witness lots of great chi sau, but the opening of this film where Ip Chun chi saus with Sifu Martin Brierley shows more usage of Wing Chun's energies and minute angles in such a short space of time, it is a mind blowing example of high level Kung Fu. It's apparent these two have practiced together for many years. What do you guys think??
you are right in a couple of things...but bruce realized that some styles are more dominant than others..he learned ho to wrestle ho to box kickboxing proabably would have learned muay thai and bjj if he had the chance..thing is you think of mma fighters as grapplers when we actually prepare for all aspects of combat, i mean only dumbasses would go for a takedown in a bar..you get kicked in the head, but you can use boxing kicking knees elbows maybe even clinchfigting..thats what people forget
unless you know wing chun and its philosophy and the basics and if your a master in any arts it doesnt matter, wing chun is a great art just like any other so unless your a master and I'm referring this comment to Reefa Rollin you are in NO position to talk down on wing chun or any arts. you would get your ass handed to you quick and I would be more then willing to be that person so hopefully you dont like in Iowa.
thats the thing, these guys try to adapt to the threats other martial arts give from wing chun perpective, while you have hybrid styles that actually go and seek a wrestler to learn how to fight a wrestler, they learn boxing from a boxer, submission from luta livre and bjj, throws from judo, close quarters combat from muay thai...you seek to be formless and have as many useful tools you can get, when you see that chain punchers get caught with a jab, you learn to jab! not to chain punch savvy?
They tend to think that their opponent will stand there and let them do those things! i mean, they trap the hand and pull it back and then strike like 100 times with their chain punches, my question is..what makes you think they guy is still going to be there or that he isnt going to go for the shoot or for the clinch..or if he knows how to box he knows how to fight in close, or if he knows muay thai he can fight in close as the training in MT teaches them, elbows knees advances clinch grappling
All styles have borrowed from, and improved upon what had come before. Some styles are "complete" because to add to more techniques would ruin the concept. Some styles are "open" because they are quite literally, open to anything. When one strives to reach perfection in anything, it becomes an art form automatically. It doesn't matter what style. MMA on tv is definately a sport. But in the gym, it's all about your attitude.
@SkemeKOS MMA is a sport, not a martial art. It is comprised of various martial arts. Something Bruce Lee did with his journey into the study of martial arts, outside of his base art of Wing Chun. MMA is more a system of what works best for the ring against sport competitors. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that these guys aren't fabulous fighters/martial artist, but MMA itself is not a martial art.
@TheTweak0r I trained and taught for years. I've nothing personal against Ip Chun, of course, but know that some masters and even grandmasters are by no means as good as their students say. If you must know, every time I post a negative comment about Ip Chun, I hope someone will convince me I'm wrong, even a little... By the way, I know people who have trained with him and confirm my impression. They also say his brother, Ip Chin, is more skilled and has a deeper knowledge of Wing Chun.
although i do not agree with @ReefaRollin this man is an exaple of dedication and discipline! so i respect him as a martial artist, i do not think he could ever win a fight against a guy like carlos gracie or eugenio tadeu them being old to but..i still respect the man..i hope you take this in a good way dude..some comments from the other side of the coin
Why argue? just see love, see truth, and embrace all things as beautiful. Its not about who's or what's the greatest, we are all equal its not about violence, its a spiritual path, discipline self control. Spirituality and the mind will always over weigh the physical being the physical being ends the mind however does not. Bruce lee had a great mind, ip chun also.
Wing Chun theory states that all kicking has an inherent weakness in that one leg must be removed from the ground which considerably diminishes the effectiveness of the stance (this is a fact). However, the longer range and increased power of the legs when compared with the arms (hands) means that no complete martial art can ignore kicking.
@erbake In Wing Chun, there is only low kicking.... thigh, knee, and the point between knee and feet... Wing Chun doesnt involve of throwing but it has many ways to prevent from getting thrown... Wing Chun is a kung fu that involves attacking and defending at the same time.... Everything is about timing, speed and accuracy... and of course reaction time...
The theory is that it's much better to disable an attacker before they touch you so practice time would be wasted learning complicated throws. I think WIng Chun theory is nigh on perfect but to be the ultimate fighter, you'd probably need to know a few throws. :)
This is unscientific and unworkable. Check out our disclosure of Wing Chun on Udemy and Google Play. The link is on our channel.
do you really think you can throw him down? man its not MMA or boxing or anything else its wing chung, i mean it uses no muscle but pure physics( his stance ). Trust me you can throw him down he would throw you down before you would even realite it.
Reading these comments always make me laugh. If you know anything about fighting you'll first and foremost to be respectful of all martial arts. Go away and take some effort to learn something. Then you might have an oppinion worth sharing.
I dont like to mention this, but it appears to me that every fight takes place in the Wrong distance? Wheres the point in striking, if my opponents to far away ? I always thought Chi Sau should teach propper Distance?
Wow, I sincerely hope that you do not practice martial arts for only a fool would make such comments. I'm sure if I met one like you in combat, I'd walk away, giving you mercy and perhaps a sad chuckle.
You must be silly....that old mans father was the man who trained Bruce Lee himself. Most of Bruce Lee's foundation training came from Wing Chun. You must really not know how serious Wing Chun really is...
He is is 86 at year 2020. Try to fight at that age and let us see. Respect!
he is 95 now
His brother is 86 or something but he is 95 like *Bela Oster* said
@bordereye If those guys were over 75, will they be on the same level as Ip Chun is now? It's fairer to compare people of the same ages. The way you view it makes me laugh =)
All those guys could have hit Ip Chun many, many times but only aimed to his arms. It seems to me that they treat him like a child... because they love him, they let him win.
Are you one of his students shindai? I would have prefered it without the comedy again. Still its better than the thug one. Starting to sound like a broken record.
Why the young boy try to beat GM Ip Chun?
Ip Chun is older then the boy.
It was an unrespectfull attitude to behave like that to the oldest person.
Ps - For an excellent (albeit quite theatrical) demonstration of sticking legs in action, check out The Prodigal Son movie.
I wish you would try that he'd have you on the floor quicker than you can think.
This is an exercise, not a fight. Why can't wing chun trolls get it into their heads that sometimes a martial art is allowed to not have throws in it?
I’ve seen a video where he did throw one particular student to demonstrate a hole in his structure while doing chi sao. The movie shows him quite capable of kicking as well.
What a load of pantomime shit .....I don't care what anyone says this cannot be used for self defence ...standing there playing patacake ain't gonna stop someone who has half a clue from doing damage.....zero defence ....I understand people doing it for a hobby and don't knock it but what tends to happen is that they think it works in the real world....it doesn't and it gets smashed by an average non trained tough guy
If you hold your own, you are claimed to be taking advantage of old age, if you get dominated you are criticized as weak...I don't get society.
omg this old man is a live legend!!!!
@Tigerbear1981 you should be trying to close the distance with chi sau but i think ip chun is keeping him away
He didn't start until he was in his late 30's. He wasn't so interested until after the death of his father.
ReefaRollin says it all.....Wing Chun is a real fighting art.People that know CQC get how real WC is.
75 years old guys 75 ... fucking amazing for that age!
Nice to see a fellow human with a brain the size of a brain instead of a grape.
@toikooo you have not done chi sao with grandmaster Ip Chun...........that is OBVIOUS HA HA
there is nothing much to say, just pure awesomeness.
but i didn't like the guy @ 01:20
chi sao is a drill to develop form. IF you don't study Wing chun you won't understand
Should bong sau be left out or should you drop the arm to a tan sau straight after?
That's one of my point dude, you are saying to go and watch a movie of wing chun being applied, its a movie! there are no K1 wing chun fighters or mma fighters or even video evidence where a chunner actually uses its instinct to fight in the streets as their philosophy and teachings are meant to be used, when a chunner gets hit in a real fight even with a padded glove he starts freaking out and throing haymakers to protect his face from being pummeled
There are a LOT of them right now. A few of them are actually dominating!
Ha ha this is amazing ;D RESPECT I looove many forms of martial arts ( if that is what this is , pardon my ignorance ) I find it totally fascinating and would so love to participate with some one else to take classes . Thanks for posting this , very inspiring , loved the last one the most ! ;D
しかし、日本人には絶対に教えないという差別的な武術。
It difficult to defeat ip chun in battle because all they ever do is me.orized moves
Nu intindin nada...🤔💭 Que bobeira é essa?🤔💭
It's a good moves i guess, but.........😅
Для этого возраста сильный человек
i have to say the man at 1:20 was rather impressiver
Esto me recuerda a ver a mi hermana pequeña jugar a las manitas
you are quite right i must say
Oh sure we have the right to say anything bad, but it'd make us judgemental morons if we do, not to mention ignorant and arrogant... but I digress - thanks for the comment :D ... got called away and forgot what else I was gonna say.. ah well, glad you posted
It reminds me of an Aikido demonstration or the 108 Tai chi forms...but this is done with less grace or skill.
It's less graceful, sure, linear movements are less pleasing to the eye than circular I think, but it's just a different set of skills. It may not look like much but I've done chi sau with some of them and their structure and reaction speed is formidable :)
WC, as any other Kung Fu style, greatly improves ur physical and mental condition. It might only seem that we are not improving ourselves in physical way, when practicing, but actually every WC technique affects ur body and spirit in a nice way. U can call this vital points and energy flows, and all this stuff, or you can operate more modern terminology. In any way, I would tell u that it works well) And btw, WC attacks improve and utilize muscles which are not simple to see on human body :)
It’s called the immovable elbow for reason sir...
The maximum grandmaster Chun
Don't think there was deliberate comedy in this one, just having fun. I'm not a student of his, but my first assessment was followed by an impromptu seminar by him and he is shit hot at wing chun :)
Awesome. Ip chun is really a true master
Another interesting wing chun chi sao video:
[ Wingchun Spirit Club] LUYỆN VÀO TAY - TRAINING CHI SAO
Internal arts don't guarantee longevity, but they do require the practitioner to be relaxed. That's probably more to do with their longevity more than the specifics of the style, stress is well known to affect health after all. Any exercise is good exercise, though, and if you're eating healthily as well as being positive and unstressed, you're likely to live a long time :)
I love ip chun kungfu!
Nesse vídeo aprendi que devemos deixar nosso legado na terra e devemos tentar fazer isso todos os dias pq quando o tempo chega só restará o nosso legado deixado em vida
18 people have no idea what a real master is.
Got the whol show, ip chun isn't in much of it, but Shaun does a fun and cool demonstration of wing chun vs some thugs. I may upload it but will need his permission first so I don't get my ass handed to me at the next assessment :p
ไม่ได้ดูถูกมวยจีนนะ..ถ้าการต่อสู้ในชีวิตจริงมวยจีนมีแค่นี้...ผมคิดว่าถ้าเจอ มวยไทย..ไม่รอดแน่..มวยไทยใช้ในชีวิตจริงได้แน่นอนเห็นผล..มวยจีนท่าทางสวยงาม .แต่ในขีวิตจริงมันใช้ไม่ได้
Incredible...OLD but BOLD......
Вот поэтому они ни в каких боях и не участвуют, здесь даже я в морду дам им обоим и лягут как милые, а вот эта мутатень для фильмов только!
кому ты дашь в морду , ты себе ели ели в мажишь.он тебе как даст , ты проснёшься в сваём подьезды голы
He better not have! Talk about a sad day.
El señor ya esta grande no sirven esas tecnicas
เหมือนเล่น กรรไกร ไข่ ผ้าไหม
@erbake He looks intimidated coz he's a foot shorter than everyone else lol. There are no kicks or throws because throws aren't the focus of this style (which is a weakness), and kicks at that range aren't the ideal attack. Better to keep balance and rely on structure and hand techniques.
Sensacional ❤