@@Leastmachine Depends what kind of player you are. Some people are completionists and need to talk to every NPC, get every treasure, explore every nook of every field and dungeon, complete in game bestiary, max level their characters, max out skills, find all the secrets, complete every quest, beat every optional boss etc. It takes a long time to do it all. Average playthrough with average side content is usually in the 40-50 hour range as you pointed out.
@@acidwizard6528 I'm a pretty aggressive completionist. I like to get my money's worth out of a game, so to speak. I would struggle to make most rpgs last longer than 70 hours, short of silly things like grinding enough money to buy a stack of 99 of every item in the game. You would have to artificially inflate your play time to an extreme degree in order to make every game last more than a hundred hours.
I know how you feel on that. Too many games to choose from these days so I'm trying to stick with titles I know will be good or titles in a series to one that I have experienced to be good. For example I really like the tales games and I've played I think two of them and if possible I would like to play through all of their games. Same for the final fantasy games even though in both series they have had their duds to an extent. As for games I know will be good, I don't have any examples off the top of my head right now. Either way, even from the titles that are considered good I will only play through them once, though if I like the series enough I will try to get all the achievements. Exception to this are mmo games I like but I typically stick to the more known titles. Even then the only mmo title I can say I am current on is Final Fantasy XIV and really mmo games are the only games I would "play again" and a lot of that has to do with the fact that they still release new content anyway. If an mmo got to a point where no further relevant content was released I would likely beat whatever story it has if any and then stop playing unless I liked the game enough to attempt to go after all the achievements. Unfortunately this is extremely difficult to do in an mmo.
For anyone who played Zestiria and wants to know how much worse it can get: I recorded a let's play of Zestiria as my 2nd playthrough. I intentionally did the final battle off screen as to do the post game dungeon before the final boss on camera. Little did I know that doing so would put the fuse mechanic to its peak annoyance since the final boss not only doubled in level as a result of me beating the post game dungeon, but the final boss also gained resistance to every attack element (including null), so I had to give each character armor and weapons with skills that aligned 7 in a row to grant elemental resistance nullification. It forced me to spend about an additional month off screen preparing and it was agonizing.
I got to the final boss, decided I would do the dlc for the game. Didn't realize that the DLC wasn't part of the main game but used the same save slots. My therapist asks me how I feel about that, after I accidently save over my near game complete file.
I played till I reached the final boss, for who knows what reason, The event where one by one of your spirit had to become bullet and died won't trigger no matter what I did!!!
@@louishometo4656 Armatized Heldalf will trigger his OTK spell each time you deplete 1/4th of his maximum health. At that point, you have to deal enough damage before he fires it to basically stun him. That will give you about 8 seconds to armatize Sorey with a seraph, then to fire the seraph as a bullet, you need to press R1 if you're playing on a PS3, which is what I was using for the let's play.
Ever thought of a video series compiling a list of games (3 maybe) filtered by flaws? Like highest random encounter rate, highest unfair difficulty, worst dungeons, worst story progression, clunkiest mandatory minigames, etc.
For RPGs I always make it a point to play them twice to be sure I truly like or dislike them unless they are just a hyper time sink in which case I drop that if the fun is not a thing.
It usually takes me months to finish a single RPG even when it's the only game I'm playing. How do you have the TIME to replay every RPG just to "make sure you like it"? Not trying to be rude, seriously asking.
Disgea is one of those games that's either break it open or slog though once you know what to do with iteam world residents you can seriesly bend the game over. cause some iteam resident give insane exp boosts like expx9999.
I feel the same with Tales of Zestiria, my problem isn't the final boss thou, but the gameplay overall, it just isn't appealing to beat again, (much different from Tales of Arise, or any Zelda game for example) killing all those monsters in the overworld and dungeons actually felt like busy work.. on the other hand the story was good enough, the characters were beautiful, and the ending was very wholesome 👌🏻
I would love to see Xenogears remake with the same combat system for regular battles but action combat for Gears battles like you experience in the prison area. But yeah, its the most deserving game of a remake/remaster because of how rushed it was toward the end. Sadly it will never happen because of Square.
Octopaths difficulty was just right for me, nothing was insurmountable but the later game content was tough, I never found the need to level grind but Im the sort of person that tends to check out everything as I go along and not rush through things so i found that just exploring everything was easily enough to keep me strong enough to deal with most things, i came back to things that were too tough later because theres so much to do or tried a different strategy or set-up which was a rewarding experience to get the win, too many Jrpgs nowadays are hand holding piece of cake experiences and although im in it for the story generally im also looking for a fair challenge to keep me hooked.
It's these dogshit casual who don't know how to play the game who want to make it simpler. I was running from every encounter to not EXP and didn't have any piece of armor equipped otherwise the game was too easy, yet they complain there is too much grind ? wtf is wrong with these guys. You can legit break every boss of the game as soon as they wake up except galdera. Didn't play OT2 yet and i hope they didn't take this critiscm
Too many games to play but it’s what I like about rpgs timeless stories if I ever go back to playing a rpg I really enjoy the series kinda like battle network
I've beaten Xenogears 3 separate times. I'd do it again, too. I don't think it needs a remaster. I'm curious what one might look like, but I want its 90s anime aesthetic preserved.
The main story of any Disgaea game can be completed without grinding, at all. You don't need to ever repeat a map, or do item world beyond the mandatory 10 levels. All anyone talks about in Disgaea is the grind. But you can play it like any srpg. Grinding is only necessary post game.
For me it was LEGRAND LEGACY: Tale of the Fatebounds. There were 2 VERY questionable dungeons designs made basically to make you angry for no reason, and the tournament at the beginning was unnecessarily hard. And finally the last boss gives you the feeling of "I just want to finish this as soon as possible and I'm done!" instead of being entertaining or fun. Decent game, but I'd never play it ever again.
I agree with this. The devs of that game definitely forgot games are supposed to be fun. Even the combat,they focused more on balance than fun. The dungeons are annoying just for the sake of it, especially the snow dungeon & final dungeon
Usually if i've beaten a jrpg once, i rarely play again, due to my backlog. One i definitely wouldn't go back to is Phantasy Star II. The dungeon designs were a nightmare to navigate. Quite cryptic in parts too.
Rogue Galaxy is just way too hard but after overcoming a level you feel some kind of satisfying accomplishment. but I personally agree it's way too hard to go through it again. and I'll add Ni no Kuni and Tales of Vesperia to this list for a different reason.
@@random_an0n maybe, maybe not. I remember getting lost a lot and getting my ass handed to me by some enemies and especially the bosses. good game, and I like the story.
@@uhtyp1 i had a pleasant experience with it,if you want a shitty jrpg from that era,suikoden 4,its the rtarded child of the series,bland story,bland characters and fleshed out by making random enemy battles every couple of steps,literally like every 2 steps,it was a pure slog
@@random_an0n i actually liked suikoden 4 tbh lol. I would say out of the 6 games released MY least favorite would be 3 for the sole fact of me not being able to get pass the dueling sections without a guide. Suikoden 4 did have the annoying slow ass ship sailing but overall it was pretty good and pairing it with Tactics afterwards actually capitalized on the ideas set at the end of the game for me too. (Ive never played the psp game is it any good?)
@@talesofpassion1995 @TROLL PATROL 4 was a bad Suikoden, but a decent game. The battle ship was very satisfaying since Suikoden 3 made that horrible war system. Sukoden 3 was 50% amazing, 50% trash. The war system sucked. And only the girl story was fun to play. Castle was also not my cup of tea with Thomas. The best will aways be 2 and 5. Can't wait for Suikoden 1&2 remaster.
Geez yes Xenogears, I remember playing it when it came out in stores in Canada back then in 98 or 99... back then I was still searching heaven and hell for good jrpgs on the first Playstation (before people called it "ps1"). Xenogears has been one of them, 'memorable' to say the least.. but darn the exploration, it made me rage-quit a few times back then, never gave up tho... I always had to come back for the addictive combat, it was that good back then. Had to beat it... but never again. Never even touched it once after my first and only playthrough.
i absolutely LOVE xenogears, but i do have to agree with erik. the 3d platforming and the wicked camera angle made playing it an major chore. i will say, i wouldn't mind going back and playing it again.
Xenogears beat multiple times. Sure the camera etc. is problematic, but the story is so amazing that even if I were to beat it once more then I'm sure I would learn something new!
The most common thing about JRPGs, majority of the time, is the lack of replay value. Good or bad JRPGs had all of the similar practice. For me, there are JRPGs I played and mostly beaten: - Xenoblade series: their stories are great but their MMO FF12 gameplay style felt outdated and not everybody's forte. Even with NG+, I don't wanna spend another 100 or so hours just to play the games again. All Xeno series games had the same issues other than Gears. - Fire Emblem Engage: I beaten past FE titles and played them again even it lacked NG+, however, Engage's story and characters really turned me off and I knew Iw ill never beat the game let alone DLC for how painful the design be. The lack of NG+ really killed it for me and it's a one and done thing. Yes, most FE stories aren't good either but when I am struggling with Engage more than Fates knows it's a really bad sign. - Persona 5: for a game with 100 hours, it is easily worth to play the game again because not only how the story was great and the characters but I had to push myself trying to get the true ending and to maxed out their confidants. - Nier Automata: not really long long JRPG but the replay value was worth it because it felt like I didn't see the true ending and it was their perspectives of how the world works. The story was dark and the characters are well made to give me excitement. - Bravely Default 2: the problem with niche HD2D or similar games is how grindy and hard the games are. Octopath was only one of the many games from SE that I just can't see myself playing again after beating it.
@@jaretco6423 even with replay value, unless you WANT to go 100%, jrpgs are designed to be one and done games. The games are expanding more hours and people with busy lives just wanna play and beat it and never play the game again.
Yeah, I'll play Xenogears if it gets a remaster or remake, but until then I'm fine with just watching the cutscenes when I want to re-experience the story. Looks exactly like the kind of game I'd find excruciating to play.
I never beat Xenogears so I tried picking it up again 3 years ago and man the platforming really dragged the game down for me. Once you hit that first forest I forgot how clunky those controls were. I still want to beat it but it really didn't age well in that aspect.
Xenogears was hurt mostly by the length of its crazy NO MAP HAVING dungeons, but I beat it… And Octopath 1 has the single hardest hidden super boss I’ve beaten in any video game. *INSANE.* Props to anyone else who did it!
Rogue galaxy really deserves a remake or a remastered at least but they really have to manage the difficulty because it's the hardest arpg i never played.
For OT1 I got burnt out of it and stopped playing around 10 hours But for OT2 I enjoyed the hell out of it I put in 85 hours with beating all 8 stories and almost all of the side stuff and got all the jobs
It's okay, the writing is nothing to write home about. The class customisation is weak, and the character interactions are very lacking. Bravely Second nails job customisation, and Trails (the older games) nails the story-writing.
Disgaea 2 is not that grindy if only for the sake of getting through the story. Later on you get to catch dragon monster and nekomata which is overleveled (Up to lv 9999) to cheese through the game.
I never get tired of beating xenogears over and over again. Every playthrough I learn something new about the world building or the characters. I'll never play Digimon world 3 ever again though. I hate backtracking through the same zone over and over and over again. Legend of Dragoon had a similar issue but not to the degree of Digimon World 3.
Don't worry on D2, grinding to late game for post game content in that game specifically was made to be very obnoxious. Staticians were removed from the game so no exp boosts and the ordeals grind map was changed from a 3x3 that is quickly cleared with big bang was replaced with an 8x2, more enemies but you couldnt sweep them with 1 unit so there wasnt much point to reincarnation grind much. Exp boosts was instead gained by felonies, which you find randomly in the item world, and gave you 1-10 depending on the level of felony you choose, thsi caps out at 300 (1% per felony) so needless to say it takes a long time for little gain and it stops counting at 99 so you need to pen and paper keep track of it. The only plus side is that you can throw a stack of characters on the warp for them to all get it, but this also means that you cant really put these on monsters effectively and only 9 at a time since you need 1 of them to throw the stack.
I totally agree with Octopath Traveler. It took me from its release almost until the second one was released to finish it, not even joking. I think I`m good.
There are only a few RPG’s I’ve played through more than once and those are Final Fantasy 7-10 and Brave Fencer Musashi which was like an action rpg on PS1. Then as I got older and had less free time that’s never happened again.
Wow, 3 games in this video I've actually played? I also beat Zestiria only once. That was enough for me. I don't know why it's so disliked either when I thought it was just okay. I actually beat Disgaea 2 twice, but that was years ago. I like how the later games in the series all have post game stuff that I really want to complete but the grinding is always too much for me to handle and I end up quitting after a few days. If anyone can tell me how to make the grinding faster or a little more bearable, I'd like that very much. I also played through Octopath (the first one, I'm not finished playing the second game yet) and I was a bit disappointed to find out that after finishing all the stories, there wasn't much else to do. I'm really liking Octopath 2 though. Long comment. Sorry.
I've recently had the same problem with Tales of Zestiria and it's depressed me. I loved the game back in 2018, watched the Anime in 2020 and played the Alisha DLC. But for some reason I just couldn't get properly into it this year. I just didn't care what happened in the story..
A lot of Zestiria is about the mystery of what the hell is going on and trying to place disparate bits of history, so once that's done it's much less interesting, imo. Still, I think the game is gravely under estimated, and I'm completely baffled by the idea the last boss was complicated. If there is one thing about the combat I hated, though, was how the cast spd of enemy scaled on difficulty, making Chaos difficulty a game of rocket tag.
@@tombeauvais7025 Yeah I agree about the history parts and once you know about them, the game just becomes much more less interesting. I never had this problem with some other Tales of games though. Tales of Zestiria is still a good game though and yes I agree it's under estimated. It's still in my top 5 and I really did enjoy it back in 2018 and 2020.
How you feel about Rogue Galaxy is *exactly* how I feel about Legend of Legaia. I beat it…somehow, and loved it. But good lord NEVER would I try again!
I have to agree with Tales of Zeteria on not wanting to finish/replay. Due to some of the system is a bit a waste of time and final boss fight is a wtf thing.
I feel exactly the same way about SO5: I had fun with it overall and thought it got a little too harsh a reception, but it also wasn't good enough to merit a replay. But....and I know mostly just me...but the SO game I really feel that way about is 4. If I have to hear "Edge Maverick" blather on ever again my ears will bleed. Talk about missed opportunities.
Was Star Ocean 5 really that difficult? I distinctly remember there was only 1 battle that I had trouble with and that was a battle where you had to protect someone who didn't have much health and couldn't move. Other than that you have so many characters that even if you lose 4 party members you can use the other 2 to revive them.
I feel the same way about the .hack games. I would play them in a heartbeat if they got a modern rework though. I enjoyed the story and some of the gameplay, but the repetitiveness was too much.
I played Xenogears two years ago for the first time and I was completely hooked on it. The only reason I'm not playing it again is because I'm hoping for a remaster. I don't want a remake, I just want the original touched up with new content added that was supposed to be on disc 2.
I'm not sure but i don't think a simple remaster would expand that "unfinished" disc 2 content. That could happen if it was a remake. Do you know many examples of rpg remasters that did a similar kind of expansion?
There is a fan made remaster, but aside from texture and resolution it doesn't change much else. The game needs what FF7 needed, better graphics and voice overs, that's pretty much it.
I feel the same with Tales of Xillia....but at the time I played and beat 1, I didn't have access to 2. So now I have both discs, I am trudging to finish 1 again so I can finally finish both. On the contrary...I've fonished Xenogears more than 3 times now. 😅
Tales of Zestiria was the only Tales game that I finished multiple times (6 to be exact). Symphony, Abyss, Berseria and Arise I was satisfied after just playing it once.
I admire your dedication, I don't know any UA-camr that is as dedicated to the genre as you - which is also why you're my #1 go-to for RPG recommendations. There are too many games in my backlog for me to even think about beating any game more than once, let alone an RPG.
I also dislike open worldish open ended directionless games but somehow romancing saga games seem to be the exception to that for me. It's helped by the fact that it feels like a megaman choose your way to the final boss sorta thing since if you keep exploring your options and talking to everyone you'll eventually spark a new adventure ✨️ guess it just scartches an itch that others don't.
I agree on Zestiria, once was enough even though it wasn't that bad of a game. Rogue Galaxy was awesome, I gotta replay it again, even though there's a sh*tton of stuff to do to 100% it. (the weapon fusion alone is an absolute nightmare) Xenogears - another YOPO (you only play once).
That pacific star ocean was okay but I don't think I'll ever go back to it either. Although it's not as bad as some people made out to be but definitely is not good enough to play a second time.
Xenogears is my favorite RPG, would play it a gazilion times if I had the time. Sad we probably won't get a remake due to company drama between square, nintendo, banco and monolith
I've played Xenogears a billion times, but every time (including the first) it takes me a few hours before I really get sucked in, at which point it has me with a death grip.
nice,the topic was my idea on the sunday Q & A :) edit: i beat disgaea 2,and 1, and i would play again,its has great combat, yes grindy but rewarding,and the games itself its made to play again because there was multiple endings. also the dot hack games i finished, but will not play again for the same reasons as you, in the other hand the dot hack GU games are 10/10 i beat like 3 times already and i still love it and would play again ♥ i am a big persona fan (3 and onward) but never played persona Q/Q2. i am not into dungeon crawlers but maybe i can enjoy.
Most of the Final Fantasy Pixel Remasters I doubt I’ll beat again cause…I got all the trophies I needed out of them! I suppose if I were gonna revisit any of them they’d probably be IV, V and VI. Final Fantasy II Pixel Remaster is probably the one I never will revisit though.
I've always had this one nitpick with Octopath, and that's making the boss enemies look absolutely massive for no reason. I know that's what old school JRPGs did, but those were also on a fully 2D plane with no depth, and it just looks stupid every time I see it. I dunno why it bugs me so much lol.
That looked kinda stupid for no reason in FF6 for example. It's hard to defend that one, that's isn't a very early game btw. And that problem doesn't exist in all rpgs from that same time. It was an odd artistic choice, that's all.
me with atelier Sophie. i rlly love Sophie, for me, shes my 1st jrpg female char, but dam.. the game is a problem for everything. you need a lot of time and find answers yourself a LOT. Nice video as always erick!
!!! Persona Q is one of my favorite games of all time. The combination of Etrian Odyssey mechanics with Persona 3 + 4 characters made it amazing in my books, and I loved Rei and Zen. In fact, I was an Etrian Odyssey fan and the only reason I tried P3P and P4G was because I wanted to be acquainted with the characters before PQ was released. I bought a Vita just for those two games. LOL I took a week off my job just to power through this game. PQ2 was not nearly as good, mostly because I really don't like the majority of P5 characters (the P5 protag is probably the one I like least), and unlike Rei and Zen, I never felt any connection to Hikari, Nagi, or Doe.
This was a good list. I guess I disagree only about Octopath and Xenogears. In Octo's case I just don't remember the game being that difficult, (barring the optional bosses), but maybe that's just me? For Xeno, you correctly describe every problem it has. It's just... it's strengths are SO strong, that they more than forgive the game's problems. Still, you're right there isn't a game on the PLANET (imo) that needs a remake more than Xenogears. Game's a masterpiece even with its huge flaws, it'd be transcendent without them.
The only two games I’ve played on this list are tales of this Zestiria and star ocean 5 unfortunately but I would probably never beat them again, either for pretty much the same reasons as you had- unlike most people that play games for the gameplay, I like to pay more attention to the story and the characters and neither of these games really did it for me.💔 The old saying “don’t judge a book by its cover“ well it’s never been a problem following that logic with people or books, but with games I’m just a little too judgmental about what I’m gonna be looking at for 80+ hours! SO5 and Zestiria had the cute anime art style that always got me, and still does to some extent. The only reason I remember anything about the ending to zestiria is because of Berseria being the epic prequel that did not make me stop thinking about how the game is connected throughout playing the game “OMG I remember being here before in the last game, which part of the math is this?!“ I remember being so excited to figure things out! It was so cool. And the twist at the end was the cherry on top, of course - Sorey going on about this unseen deity all through the game, and finally understanding everything about him in a completely different game that came out two years later utterly blew my mind, and I loved it Surprisingly, I didn’t love or care about anything that happened in the star ocean title, the only reason I played it was because of the graphics, and the promise of it being like “till the end of Time“ I had faith in it before it came out because of all the promotional stuff, the characters had similar but updated graphics similar to the characters in SO3 and the vistas were top-tier… I kept hoping the story would at least start to Dee entertaining and make sense, I have never played a game that just ended with a pitiful whimper of joy and togetherness🤣🤣🤣🤣💔🤣💔🤣💔💔
9:32 So we playing anything when we get bored enough, huh? In Nocturne my demons and I are lvs 30-40, yet can't get the job done without relying on items. I'd tough it out if it was endgame, but not being able to grind for the exact item only 3 bosses in I stopped in my tracks. People place Nocturne on a pedastal, but I'll never look at it again.
Tales of Zestiria's last ending left a bad taste in my mouth. Won't say what actually happens, but after having to buy the DLC to see the end only to get left on a friggin cliffhanger that will never be resolved... yeah.
I agree completely but with one exeption. Xenogears. I've completed it at least 5 times and probably will do it again, but this time in japanese. I adore this game and consider it to be the best jRPG of all times. 1 time is not enough to fully understand it's greatness.
The .Hack G.U. games got remastered (they aged better than the original 4 games). The original series was just too dated to simply remaster. It needs a full remake.
I plan to beat (almost) Zestiria once again, because i liked it - but yeah, final boss was a totally unfair shit, i just ragequit and watched its ending on youtube...
Yep octopath traveler is the biggest one for me. I loved the game and felt so satisfied beating it but I literally never want to touch it again. Another one is Xenoblade 3 specifically for me. I love 1 and 2 but 3 has so much side content I could never do it all again lol.
Tales of zest is good but it's boring until the 9 hour mark then 18 Hour and finally the 27 hour mark finally makes me start to love it, final boss wasn't a problem if you use the characters in a particular way but it had a cheap bit right at the end. Star Ocean 5 I only got to chapter 3 before the difficulty spike ruined me and I thought my time is worth more than that trash, yes I loved star Ocean 4 but it did have a few spikes but I found it fun and that was the difference
I beat Tales of Zesteria and I still don't understand how the battle system works. I feel like I kept exploiting the same actions that delt the most damage without figuring how to systems work. It turned me off of the Tales Series for good after trying and getting bored of the few prior entries, which is a shame since Tales of Destiny 2 (Eternia) is one of my favorite games of all time. It was so expertly crafted it makes me wonder how such a long series could have peaked on the PS1...
I can kind of agree with that. Armetization is so powerful that you can hold your own against enemies 30 levels above you, but without it combat can feel impossible. It has a very elaborate combat system, but the ability to Armatize makes most of it obsolete.
I like the Disgaea games in general, but I've only played and finished 5 and the initial plan was to get the platinum too, but once it came time to grind, grind, and grind some more I was like "Hell no, I'm out". It just takes WAY too long and is WAY too boring for me at this point.
One I would say is Star Ocean The Last Hope. Don’t get me wrong, it was great, but so tedious and I don’t think I have the patience to go through it again lol
I rarely play through RPGs more than once myself. At 120 hours each I kinda want to move on and do something else by the end.
Exactly, especially when you only get about an hour a day to play, two to maybe three on the weekend if you're lucky.
I've only ever spent more than a hundred hours in one single player game. The average jrpg only takes like 40-50 hours to beat.
@@Leastmachine Depends what kind of player you are. Some people are completionists and need to talk to every NPC, get every treasure, explore every nook of every field and dungeon, complete in game bestiary, max level their characters, max out skills, find all the secrets, complete every quest, beat every optional boss etc. It takes a long time to do it all. Average playthrough with average side content is usually in the 40-50 hour range as you pointed out.
@@acidwizard6528 I'm a pretty aggressive completionist. I like to get my money's worth out of a game, so to speak. I would struggle to make most rpgs last longer than 70 hours, short of silly things like grinding enough money to buy a stack of 99 of every item in the game. You would have to artificially inflate your play time to an extreme degree in order to make every game last more than a hundred hours.
I know how you feel on that. Too many games to choose from these days so I'm trying to stick with titles I know will be good or titles in a series to one that I have experienced to be good. For example I really like the tales games and I've played I think two of them and if possible I would like to play through all of their games. Same for the final fantasy games even though in both series they have had their duds to an extent. As for games I know will be good, I don't have any examples off the top of my head right now. Either way, even from the titles that are considered good I will only play through them once, though if I like the series enough I will try to get all the achievements. Exception to this are mmo games I like but I typically stick to the more known titles. Even then the only mmo title I can say I am current on is Final Fantasy XIV and really mmo games are the only games I would "play again" and a lot of that has to do with the fact that they still release new content anyway. If an mmo got to a point where no further relevant content was released I would likely beat whatever story it has if any and then stop playing unless I liked the game enough to attempt to go after all the achievements. Unfortunately this is extremely difficult to do in an mmo.
For anyone who played Zestiria and wants to know how much worse it can get:
I recorded a let's play of Zestiria as my 2nd playthrough. I intentionally did the final battle off screen as to do the post game dungeon before the final boss on camera. Little did I know that doing so would put the fuse mechanic to its peak annoyance since the final boss not only doubled in level as a result of me beating the post game dungeon, but the final boss also gained resistance to every attack element (including null), so I had to give each character armor and weapons with skills that aligned 7 in a row to grant elemental resistance nullification. It forced me to spend about an additional month off screen preparing and it was agonizing.
I got to the final boss, decided I would do the dlc for the game. Didn't realize that the DLC wasn't part of the main game but used the same save slots. My therapist asks me how I feel about that, after I accidently save over my near game complete file.
I played till I reached the final boss, for who knows what reason, The event where one by one of your spirit had to become bullet and died won't trigger no matter what I did!!!
@@louishometo4656 Armatized Heldalf will trigger his OTK spell each time you deplete 1/4th of his maximum health. At that point, you have to deal enough damage before he fires it to basically stun him. That will give you about 8 seconds to armatize Sorey with a seraph, then to fire the seraph as a bullet, you need to press R1 if you're playing on a PS3, which is what I was using for the let's play.
Xenogears does need a remake, with a full commitment and no rushed parts.
Man, I've played through Xenogears so many times over the years. It's in my top 10 games all time for sure.
Ya Xenogears should have gotten more love.. Hope there will a remake or a remaster to fix the dubbing issue..
Did it maybe 5 time. No remake happening. The story is way to heavy for modern players.
Ever thought of a video series compiling a list of games (3 maybe) filtered by flaws? Like highest random encounter rate, highest unfair difficulty, worst dungeons, worst story progression, clunkiest mandatory minigames, etc.
For RPGs I always make it a point to play them twice to be sure I truly like or dislike them unless they are just a hyper time sink in which case I drop that if the fun is not a thing.
It usually takes me months to finish a single RPG even when it's the only game I'm playing. How do you have the TIME to replay every RPG just to "make sure you like it"? Not trying to be rude, seriously asking.
@@knivesoutcatchdamouse2137some people make time for their hobbies
With a Job and a Kid , never finished any Game 😂😂😂
Disgea is one of those games that's either break it open or slog though once you know what to do with iteam world residents you can seriesly bend the game over. cause some iteam resident give insane exp boosts like expx9999.
I feel the same with Tales of Zestiria, my problem isn't the final boss thou, but the gameplay overall, it just isn't appealing to beat again, (much different from Tales of Arise, or any Zelda game for example) killing all those monsters in the overworld and dungeons actually felt like busy work.. on the other hand the story was good enough, the characters were beautiful, and the ending was very wholesome 👌🏻
I would love to see Xenogears remake with the same combat system for regular battles but action combat for Gears battles like you experience in the prison area. But yeah, its the most deserving game of a remake/remaster because of how rushed it was toward the end. Sadly it will never happen because of Square.
Monolith needs to get the rights back. I hope they will eventually.
Octopaths difficulty was just right for me, nothing was insurmountable but the later game content was tough, I never found the need to level grind but Im the sort of person that tends to check out everything as I go along and not rush through things so i found that just exploring everything was easily enough to keep me strong enough to deal with most things, i came back to things that were too tough later because theres so much to do or tried a different strategy or set-up which was a rewarding experience to get the win, too many Jrpgs nowadays are hand holding piece of cake experiences and although im in it for the story generally im also looking for a fair challenge to keep me hooked.
It's these dogshit casual who don't know how to play the game who want to make it simpler.
I was running from every encounter to not EXP and didn't have any piece of armor equipped otherwise the game was too easy, yet they complain there is too much grind ? wtf is wrong with these guys. You can legit break every boss of the game as soon as they wake up except galdera.
Didn't play OT2 yet and i hope they didn't take this critiscm
Your timing and inflection is getting better and better. Awesome video Bro 🤟🏾
Too many games to play but it’s what I like about rpgs timeless stories if I ever go back to playing a rpg I really enjoy the series kinda like battle network
I've beaten Xenogears 3 separate times. I'd do it again, too. I don't think it needs a remaster. I'm curious what one might look like, but I want its 90s anime aesthetic preserved.
The main story of any Disgaea game can be completed without grinding, at all. You don't need to ever repeat a map, or do item world beyond the mandatory 10 levels. All anyone talks about in Disgaea is the grind. But you can play it like any srpg. Grinding is only necessary post game.
For me to replay something it needs multiple endings, otherwise I don't feel any need to actually play again if I'll mostly have the same experience
For me it was LEGRAND LEGACY: Tale of the Fatebounds. There were 2 VERY questionable dungeons designs made basically to make you angry for no reason, and the tournament at the beginning was unnecessarily hard. And finally the last boss gives you the feeling of "I just want to finish this as soon as possible and I'm done!" instead of being entertaining or fun.
Decent game, but I'd never play it ever again.
I agree with this. The devs of that game definitely forgot games are supposed to be fun. Even the combat,they focused more on balance than fun. The dungeons are annoying just for the sake of it, especially the snow dungeon & final dungeon
any hentai RPGS that you'll never use for beating again?
Rance series and bunny black series.
Seriously can’t believe Skies of Arcadia didn’t make the list. Great game but those attack animations are what pad the length of the game.
Usually if i've beaten a jrpg once, i rarely play again, due to my backlog. One i definitely wouldn't go back to is Phantasy Star II. The dungeon designs were a nightmare to navigate. Quite cryptic in parts too.
Have you played octopath 2 the game seems more balanced and the new features made it soo much easier to play for me
Rogue Galaxy is just way too hard but after overcoming a level you feel some kind of satisfying accomplishment. but I personally agree it's way too hard to go through it again. and I'll add Ni no Kuni and Tales of Vesperia to this list for a different reason.
i played it on ps2 a few years ago,was just a standard rpg to me? sounds like a skill issue to me fam
@@random_an0n maybe, maybe not. I remember getting lost a lot and getting my ass handed to me by some enemies and especially the bosses. good game, and I like the story.
@@uhtyp1 i had a pleasant experience with it,if you want a shitty jrpg from that era,suikoden 4,its the rtarded child of the series,bland story,bland characters and fleshed out by making random enemy battles every couple of steps,literally like every 2 steps,it was a pure slog
@@random_an0n i actually liked suikoden 4 tbh lol. I would say out of the 6 games released MY least favorite would be 3 for the sole fact of me not being able to get pass the dueling sections without a guide. Suikoden 4 did have the annoying slow ass ship sailing but overall it was pretty good and pairing it with Tactics afterwards actually capitalized on the ideas set at the end of the game for me too. (Ive never played the psp game is it any good?)
@@talesofpassion1995 @TROLL PATROL 4 was a bad Suikoden, but a decent game. The battle ship was very satisfaying since Suikoden 3 made that horrible war system.
Sukoden 3 was 50% amazing, 50% trash. The war system sucked. And only the girl story was fun to play. Castle was also not my cup of tea with Thomas.
The best will aways be 2 and 5. Can't wait for Suikoden 1&2 remaster.
Geez yes Xenogears, I remember playing it when it came out in stores in Canada back then in 98 or 99... back then I was still searching heaven and hell for good jrpgs on the first Playstation (before people called it "ps1"). Xenogears has been one of them, 'memorable' to say the least.. but darn the exploration, it made me rage-quit a few times back then, never gave up tho... I always had to come back for the addictive combat, it was that good back then. Had to beat it... but never again. Never even touched it once after my first and only playthrough.
i absolutely LOVE xenogears, but i do have to agree with erik. the 3d platforming and the wicked camera angle made playing it an major chore. i will say, i wouldn't mind going back and playing it again.
Xenogears beat multiple times. Sure the camera etc. is problematic, but the story is so amazing that even if I were to beat it once more then I'm sure I would learn something new!
PS1 classics need voice overs and graphics updates. It would be as popular as Xenoblade if it got the remaster treatment.
@@actionjackson6943 Yeah.
My Riding Stables is a hidden gem! Thank you 10000000x for turning me on to this MAGNIFICENT title!
The most common thing about JRPGs, majority of the time, is the lack of replay value. Good or bad JRPGs had all of the similar practice. For me, there are JRPGs I played and mostly beaten:
- Xenoblade series: their stories are great but their MMO FF12 gameplay style felt outdated and not everybody's forte. Even with NG+, I don't wanna spend another 100 or so hours just to play the games again. All Xeno series games had the same issues other than Gears.
- Fire Emblem Engage: I beaten past FE titles and played them again even it lacked NG+, however, Engage's story and characters really turned me off and I knew Iw ill never beat the game let alone DLC for how painful the design be. The lack of NG+ really killed it for me and it's a one and done thing. Yes, most FE stories aren't good either but when I am struggling with Engage more than Fates knows it's a really bad sign.
- Persona 5: for a game with 100 hours, it is easily worth to play the game again because not only how the story was great and the characters but I had to push myself trying to get the true ending and to maxed out their confidants.
- Nier Automata: not really long long JRPG but the replay value was worth it because it felt like I didn't see the true ending and it was their perspectives of how the world works. The story was dark and the characters are well made to give me excitement.
- Bravely Default 2: the problem with niche HD2D or similar games is how grindy and hard the games are. Octopath was only one of the many games from SE that I just can't see myself playing again after beating it.
@@jaretco6423 even with replay value, unless you WANT to go 100%, jrpgs are designed to be one and done games. The games are expanding more hours and people with busy lives just wanna play and beat it and never play the game again.
romancing saga 3 on ps2 was one of my favorite games! a legit hidden gem indeed!
Yeah, I'll play Xenogears if it gets a remaster or remake, but until then I'm fine with just watching the cutscenes when I want to re-experience the story. Looks exactly like the kind of game I'd find excruciating to play.
I never beat Xenogears so I tried picking it up again 3 years ago and man the platforming really dragged the game down for me. Once you hit that first forest I forgot how clunky those controls were. I still want to beat it but it really didn't age well in that aspect.
So glad you mentioned Octopath. I'm currently playing through and I like it enough but it's so randomly difficult and grind at times.
Another great video. This is one of the few channels where every video is must watch. Thank you for the awesome content
Every boss in every JRPG: has at least three forms, and you always win by the power of friendship.
And there's always a fishing minigame.
Xenogears was hurt mostly by the length of its crazy NO MAP HAVING dungeons, but I beat it… And Octopath 1 has the single hardest hidden super boss I’ve beaten in any video game. *INSANE.* Props to anyone else who did it!
Rogue galaxy really deserves a remake or a remastered at least but they really have to manage the difficulty because it's the hardest arpg i never played.
FF6 is one of the very few I have beaten multiple times and I have been playing RPGs since the original DQ & FF.
For OT1 I got burnt out of it and stopped playing around 10 hours
But for OT2 I enjoyed the hell out of it
I put in 85 hours with beating all 8 stories and almost all of the side stuff and got all the jobs
tressa story was best all the others were good but not great
Despite the toughness, Octopath Traveler is such a great game.
It's okay, the writing is nothing to write home about. The class customisation is weak, and the character interactions are very lacking. Bravely Second nails job customisation, and Trails (the older games) nails the story-writing.
Everything you said about rogue Galaxy is 100% correct yeah I recently got it again from the PS store looks like they updated it a little bit....💪🏾💪🏾
Disgaea 2 is not that grindy if only for the sake of getting through the story. Later on you get to catch dragon monster and nekomata which is overleveled (Up to lv 9999) to cheese through the game.
I never get tired of beating xenogears over and over again. Every playthrough I learn something new about the world building or the characters. I'll never play Digimon world 3 ever again though. I hate backtracking through the same zone over and over and over again. Legend of Dragoon had a similar issue but not to the degree of Digimon World 3.
The only Ateliers I'm capable of replaying are Iris 1,2,3 and MK 1,2.
They just hold special place in my heart.
Don't worry on D2, grinding to late game for post game content in that game specifically was made to be very obnoxious. Staticians were removed from the game so no exp boosts and the ordeals grind map was changed from a 3x3 that is quickly cleared with big bang was replaced with an 8x2, more enemies but you couldnt sweep them with 1 unit so there wasnt much point to reincarnation grind much.
Exp boosts was instead gained by felonies, which you find randomly in the item world, and gave you 1-10 depending on the level of felony you choose, thsi caps out at 300 (1% per felony) so needless to say it takes a long time for little gain and it stops counting at 99 so you need to pen and paper keep track of it. The only plus side is that you can throw a stack of characters on the warp for them to all get it, but this also means that you cant really put these on monsters effectively and only 9 at a time since you need 1 of them to throw the stack.
I would love an octopath traveler a-rpg, like star ocean 2
I totally agree with Octopath Traveler. It took me from its release almost until the second one was released to finish it, not even joking. I think I`m good.
There are only a few RPG’s I’ve played through more than once and those are Final Fantasy 7-10 and Brave Fencer Musashi which was like an action rpg on PS1. Then as I got older and had less free time that’s never happened again.
Wow, 3 games in this video I've actually played?
I also beat Zestiria only once. That was enough for me. I don't know why it's so disliked either when I thought it was just okay.
I actually beat Disgaea 2 twice, but that was years ago. I like how the later games in the series all have post game stuff that I really want to complete but the grinding is always too much for me to handle and I end up quitting after a few days. If anyone can tell me how to make the grinding faster or a little more bearable, I'd like that very much.
I also played through Octopath (the first one, I'm not finished playing the second game yet) and I was a bit disappointed to find out that after finishing all the stories, there wasn't much else to do. I'm really liking Octopath 2 though.
Long comment. Sorry.
I've recently had the same problem with Tales of Zestiria and it's depressed me. I loved the game back in 2018, watched the Anime in 2020 and played the Alisha DLC. But for some reason I just couldn't get properly into it this year. I just didn't care what happened in the story..
A lot of Zestiria is about the mystery of what the hell is going on and trying to place disparate bits of history, so once that's done it's much less interesting, imo.
Still, I think the game is gravely under estimated, and I'm completely baffled by the idea the last boss was complicated. If there is one thing about the combat I hated, though, was how the cast spd of enemy scaled on difficulty, making Chaos difficulty a game of rocket tag.
@@tombeauvais7025 Yeah I agree about the history parts and once you know about them, the game just becomes much more less interesting. I never had this problem with some other Tales of games though.
Tales of Zestiria is still a good game though and yes I agree it's under estimated. It's still in my top 5 and I really did enjoy it back in 2018 and 2020.
How you feel about Rogue Galaxy is *exactly* how I feel about Legend of Legaia. I beat it…somehow, and loved it. But good lord NEVER would I try again!
I dont play JRPGs but I have a fascination with them from afar and your videos are great for that 👍
I have to agree with Tales of Zeteria on not wanting to finish/replay. Due to some of the system is a bit a waste of time and final boss fight is a wtf thing.
Tales of Zestiria is easily one of my favorites. I think I have played through it 3 times.
I feel exactly the same way about SO5: I had fun with it overall and thought it got a little too harsh a reception, but it also wasn't good enough to merit a replay. But....and I know mostly just me...but the SO game I really feel that way about is 4. If I have to hear "Edge Maverick" blather on ever again my ears will bleed. Talk about missed opportunities.
Was Star Ocean 5 really that difficult? I distinctly remember there was only 1 battle that I had trouble with and that was a battle where you had to protect someone who didn't have much health and couldn't move. Other than that you have so many characters that even if you lose 4 party members you can use the other 2 to revive them.
I feel the same way about the .hack games. I would play them in a heartbeat if they got a modern rework though. I enjoyed the story and some of the gameplay, but the repetitiveness was too much.
I played Xenogears two years ago for the first time and I was completely hooked on it. The only reason I'm not playing it again is because I'm hoping for a remaster. I don't want a remake, I just want the original touched up with new content added that was supposed to be on disc 2.
I'm not sure but i don't think a simple remaster would expand that "unfinished" disc 2 content. That could happen if it was a remake. Do you know many examples of rpg remasters that did a similar kind of expansion?
There is a fan made remaster, but aside from texture and resolution it doesn't change much else. The game needs what FF7 needed, better graphics and voice overs, that's pretty much it.
Actually an remake wouldn't be so bad.
Atelier iris was great!!
I loved how the alchemy become more complicated.
but I really hope we got another heavy story of Atelier
I feel the same with Tales of Xillia....but at the time I played and beat 1, I didn't have access to 2. So now I have both discs, I am trudging to finish 1 again so I can finally finish both.
On the contrary...I've fonished Xenogears more than 3 times now. 😅
Tales of Zestiria was the only Tales game that I finished multiple times (6 to be exact). Symphony, Abyss, Berseria and Arise I was satisfied after just playing it once.
I admire your dedication, I don't know any UA-camr that is as dedicated to the genre as you - which is also why you're my #1 go-to for RPG recommendations. There are too many games in my backlog for me to even think about beating any game more than once, let alone an RPG.
I also dislike open worldish open ended directionless games but somehow romancing saga games seem to be the exception to that for me. It's helped by the fact that it feels like a megaman choose your way to the final boss sorta thing since if you keep exploring your options and talking to everyone you'll eventually spark a new adventure ✨️ guess it just scartches an itch that others don't.
I agree on Zestiria, once was enough even though it wasn't that bad of a game.
Rogue Galaxy was awesome, I gotta replay it again, even though there's a sh*tton of stuff to do to 100% it. (the weapon fusion alone is an absolute nightmare)
Xenogears - another YOPO (you only play once).
Im replaying Zesteria right now. I love the characters, which is the strong point of the franchise anyway. Ive played every Tales game multiple times.
Completely agree with rogue galaxy and xenogears, now what about games that you would replay several times, did you make a video already?
That pacific star ocean was okay but I don't think I'll ever go back to it either. Although it's not as bad as some people made out to be but definitely is not good enough to play a second time.
Xenogears is my favorite RPG, would play it a gazilion times if I had the time. Sad we probably won't get a remake due to company drama between square, nintendo, banco and monolith
I've played Xenogears a billion times, but every time (including the first) it takes me a few hours before I really get sucked in, at which point it has me with a death grip.
nice,the topic was my idea on the sunday Q & A :)
edit: i beat disgaea 2,and 1, and i would play again,its has great combat, yes grindy but rewarding,and the games itself its made to play again because there was multiple endings.
also the dot hack games i finished, but will not play again for the same reasons as you, in the other hand the dot hack GU games are 10/10 i beat like 3 times already and i still love it and would play again ♥
i am a big persona fan (3 and onward) but never played persona Q/Q2. i am not into dungeon crawlers but maybe i can enjoy.
Most of the Final Fantasy Pixel Remasters I doubt I’ll beat again cause…I got all the trophies I needed out of them!
I suppose if I were gonna revisit any of them they’d probably be IV, V and VI.
Final Fantasy II Pixel Remaster is probably the one I never will revisit though.
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I've always had this one nitpick with Octopath, and that's making the boss enemies look absolutely massive for no reason. I know that's what old school JRPGs did, but those were also on a fully 2D plane with no depth, and it just looks stupid every time I see it. I dunno why it bugs me so much lol.
That looked kinda stupid for no reason in FF6 for example. It's hard to defend that one, that's isn't a very early game btw. And that problem doesn't exist in all rpgs from that same time. It was an odd artistic choice, that's all.
@@carlosaugusto9821 Fair point
Zestiria battle theme 3 is op. The one of the final dungeon.
I love the music from the water shrine too
me with atelier Sophie. i rlly love Sophie, for me, shes my 1st jrpg female char, but dam.. the game is a problem for everything. you need a lot of time and find answers yourself a LOT.
Nice video as always erick!
6:31 Eren Yaeger is that you?You broke free from the cycle?
!!! Persona Q is one of my favorite games of all time. The combination of Etrian Odyssey mechanics with Persona 3 + 4 characters made it amazing in my books, and I loved Rei and Zen. In fact, I was an Etrian Odyssey fan and the only reason I tried P3P and P4G was because I wanted to be acquainted with the characters before PQ was released. I bought a Vita just for those two games.
LOL I took a week off my job just to power through this game.
PQ2 was not nearly as good, mostly because I really don't like the majority of P5 characters (the P5 protag is probably the one I like least), and unlike Rei and Zen, I never felt any connection to Hikari, Nagi, or Doe.
I enjoyed the combat mechanics of Persona Q1 and Q2, but I don't like the chibi art style.
@@warpuppy4528 I guess it's a matter of taste. Akihiko is besuto husubando and I think he and Theo are even cuter in chibi format.
This was a good list. I guess I disagree only about Octopath and Xenogears. In Octo's case I just don't remember the game being that difficult, (barring the optional bosses), but maybe that's just me? For Xeno, you correctly describe every problem it has. It's just... it's strengths are SO strong, that they more than forgive the game's problems. Still, you're right there isn't a game on the PLANET (imo) that needs a remake more than Xenogears. Game's a masterpiece even with its huge flaws, it'd be transcendent without them.
I so much agree with Xenogears.... even though it's a masterpiece - boy, did I rage quit during many of the dungeon crawls.
The only two games I’ve played on this list are tales of this Zestiria and star ocean 5 unfortunately but I would probably never beat them again, either for pretty much the same reasons as you had- unlike most people that play games for the gameplay, I like to pay more attention to the story and the characters and neither of these games really did it for me.💔
The old saying “don’t judge a book by its cover“ well it’s never been a problem following that logic with people or books, but with games I’m just a little too judgmental about what I’m gonna be looking at for 80+ hours! SO5 and Zestiria had the cute anime art style that always got me, and still does to some extent. The only reason I remember anything about the ending to zestiria is because of Berseria being the epic prequel that did not make me stop thinking about how the game is connected throughout playing the game
“OMG I remember being here before in the last game, which part of the math is this?!“
I remember being so excited to figure things out! It was so cool. And the twist at the end was the cherry on top, of course - Sorey going on about this unseen deity all through the game, and finally understanding everything about him in a completely different game that came out two years later utterly blew my mind, and I loved it
Surprisingly, I didn’t love or care about anything that happened in the star ocean title, the only reason I played it was because of the graphics, and the promise of it being like “till the end of Time“
I had faith in it before it came out because of all the promotional stuff, the characters had similar but updated graphics similar to the characters in SO3 and the vistas were top-tier… I kept hoping the story would at least start to Dee entertaining and make sense, I have never played a game that just ended with a pitiful whimper of joy and togetherness🤣🤣🤣🤣💔🤣💔🤣💔💔
Disgaea 2 is gold, but to revisit and grind all over again? Nah 💀
12:48 yesss! I love Xenogears and I wanna play it again, but it's soo damn hard to recommend it.
11:40 yes. 10 years ago I would have put a lot of my time into replaying. Today, not so much.
9:32 So we playing anything when we get bored enough, huh? In Nocturne my demons and I are lvs 30-40, yet can't get the job done without relying on items. I'd tough it out if it was endgame, but not being able to grind for the exact item only 3 bosses in I stopped in my tracks. People place Nocturne on a pedastal, but I'll never look at it again.
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Tales of Zestiria's last ending left a bad taste in my mouth. Won't say what actually happens, but after having to buy the DLC to see the end only to get left on a friggin cliffhanger that will never be resolved... yeah.
I agree completely but with one exeption. Xenogears. I've completed it at least 5 times and probably will do it again, but this time in japanese. I adore this game and consider it to be the best jRPG of all times. 1 time is not enough to fully understand it's greatness.
I beat Xenogears probably once every 2 years. I want a remake so bad!
Optimizing zestiria had me bustin out the damn spreadsheet and grinding for ages… 10/10 but would not do again.
Clever sacrilegious channel name.
Didn't they remaster the .Hack games recently for Switch?
The .Hack G.U. games got remastered (they aged better than the original 4 games). The original series was just too dated to simply remaster. It needs a full remake.
I plan to beat (almost) Zestiria once again, because i liked it - but yeah, final boss was a totally unfair shit, i just ragequit and watched its ending on youtube...
Yep octopath traveler is the biggest one for me. I loved the game and felt so satisfied beating it but I literally never want to touch it again. Another one is Xenoblade 3 specifically for me. I love 1 and 2 but 3 has so much side content I could never do it all again lol.
Not an RPG but I wouldn’t play BOTW again. It’ll be another 100 hours of my life spent on that game
Holy shit, beating Romancing SaGa is possible?
Valkyrie Profile and Valkyrie Profile 2: Silmeria. İ love and hate them. The crystal jumps/teleports are the worst. But still more love than hate.
The ONLY reason to play xenogears is for the story so definitely no reason to replay that ever
Tales of zest is good but it's boring until the 9 hour mark then 18 Hour and finally the 27 hour mark finally makes me start to love it, final boss wasn't a problem if you use the characters in a particular way but it had a cheap bit right at the end. Star Ocean 5 I only got to chapter 3 before the difficulty spike ruined me and I thought my time is worth more than that trash, yes I loved star Ocean 4 but it did have a few spikes but I found it fun and that was the difference
again great topic!
I beat Tales of Zesteria and I still don't understand how the battle system works. I feel like I kept exploiting the same actions that delt the most damage without figuring how to systems work. It turned me off of the Tales Series for good after trying and getting bored of the few prior entries, which is a shame since Tales of Destiny 2 (Eternia) is one of my favorite games of all time. It was so expertly crafted it makes me wonder how such a long series could have peaked on the PS1...
I can kind of agree with that. Armetization is so powerful that you can hold your own against enemies 30 levels above you, but without it combat can feel impossible. It has a very elaborate combat system, but the ability to Armatize makes most of it obsolete.
I like the Disgaea games in general, but I've only played and finished 5 and the initial plan was to get the platinum too, but once it came time to grind, grind, and grind some more I was like "Hell no, I'm out".
It just takes WAY too long and is WAY too boring for me at this point.
One I would say is Star Ocean The Last Hope. Don’t get me wrong, it was great, but so tedious and I don’t think I have the patience to go through it again lol
Did you finish disgaea 2 both ways?