I feel like the MSI R&D department's cocaine budget needs to be cut back *severely* if their engineers currently think this is a reasonable design for a motherboard. How's it gonna escalate further from that?
Make a mobo that ditches aesthetics and only focuses on cooling every component. I swear PC elitism cares more about things that don't matter like how bright is my RGB psu
Sound levitation, strong electromagnetic fields*, wireless power transmission*, wireless PCI-e Gen 5 and sata with transmitters and receivers. Just imagine how your NVMe would float above motherboard. Forget about RGB lighting, blackbody radiation is much cooler (hotter). 48 micropumps with mini waterloops inside of different levitating parts of motherboard. LED screens? That's SO retro. Screen would be projected by 16 mini-projectors on thin layers of vapor from multiple angles. Custom animation schemes for each component of motherboard. *16x16 PSU array is not included in standard complectation
Non of the manufacturer make a perfect product. They have their own manufacturing philosophy. If all product are perfectionist, for sure the prices gonna be premium. Will you buy it? All this youtuber who review tech product, they are outsider, not the industry player nor the stakeholder. Talking is cheap than done something. LMAO
There is ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE for using a resistive touch screen on a product this premium. It is unacceptable and they would have done better to scrap the touchscreen functionality entirely and maybe use lcd buttons or something. The longer this video went on the more it appeared to me that msi tried to make the most expensive toy they could in the hopes that people would see big price and buy. Its honestly offensive to hardware enthusiasts
@@FNFleExZ Hmm, that's kind of true even though many people that have a lot of money doesn't necessarily have the know-how to install a custom loop but I guess they would pay someone to do it for them. I have been thinking about entering into the "custom loop game" myself but I still think it's kind of diminishing returns from my Artic Freezer 420mm AIO. Looks much more cleaner with a custom loop system of course ;-)
I can easily envision the marketing people watching this review in the same room with the engineers - and the engineers, mildly infuriated, repeating "WE. TOLD. YOU. ALL. THIS."
This is what happens when the marketing people have the final saying. I can't see how this motherboard is worth the same as the FREAKING DOMINUS EXTREME. How in the fuck does an E-ATX board with stupid features is worth the same as an SSI-EEB motherboard with bonkers power delivery, while also being not so much better than the Z690 Hero at a 1/4 of the price?
I'm also confused by MSI's decision making process and priorities. They seem to care about good feedback, so how do you end up sending such a product for a review?
@@TheMC1X hence why companies like AMD (and I hope now Intel too) is so succesful - their CEO is an engineer who UNDERSTANDS the processes themselves of making products and the high-level technical aspects of them, so they can make decisions based on understanding their own products and judge if they're good enough compared to the market offerings.
@@galgrunfeld9954 That's how in 3 years they catched up with almost a decade of market monopoly that Intel had. Bob Swan with the BS marketing wasn't cutting it, and let's not forget how they shot themselves in the foot with X299. Keep an eye on Pat and how everything unfolds. Alder Lake so far seems nice. Not as efficient as Zen, but nice.
The only new GPU I could find for sale when I was looking was the Aorus with the LCD on the side, and it supports GIFs. It's a silly gimmick, but it's fun. It also displays whatever GPU stats I want, with whatever GIF I've chosen playing in the background.
I also have one of those ROG AIOs that have a screen. Can do GIF playback as well and it has some generic ROG animation by default, mostly use it as CPU Temp. The board I have also has a smaller monochrome screen, that one does POST (which is pretty cool because it also does tell you what each code is for), then it switches to CPU Temp. Set that one to VRM Temp.
@@NonEuclideanTacoCannon and video, instead of just rgb companies should invest in more small screens like Mercedes’ does with the buttons and switches in their AMG models
The screen needs to be capacitive like modern cell phones. Pressure sensitive screens were used on first gen touch screen phones over 10 years ago. That's a no go even for a test product.
Yeah even the first android phones and iPhones had capacitive touch screens. Capacitive touch technology was invented nearly 70 years ago. It’s insane this doesn’t have it.
resistive touchscreens have tons of advantages over capacitive ones (that apparently most people have zero fucking clue about), but definitely not in this area. Horses for courses.
I have a B450 Gaming Pro Carbon. It was recommended as one of the better B450 boards by Buildzoid. I've had nothing but problems. I was on a DDR4 overclocking kick and dialed my timings in perfect. Took me a month, lowering each sitting and testing all day on Karhu and Memtest Pro. Eventually I got them perfect. Before updating my bios I saved the profile on USB. Their newest bios however is incompatible with that profile. On a restart, half the time it just hangs and throws an LED VGA error. If I restart it, it'll boot fine. I'm using an MSI 1070 Ti Duke. Checking their bios revision history one of their first updates was to improve VGA compatibility. I'm assuming they forgot about their own 1070 Ti's. I've sworn off MSI boards.
MSI's motherboards are amongst their worst products. I boought a couple ones myself, and built a dozen of PCs with them. Problems everywhere. Their UEFI might be one the best looking and simplest to use but oh boy. 8 out of 10 issues, their UEFI fucks something the rest is RAM training being dogshit. Sometimes locking customers with bootloops because the mobo faisl traning. As a personnal example, i own a z570 Unify, great looking board, no RGB, has some nice features and supposedly great OC capabilities. I could achieve some nice RAM OC with a 5900x (3800 CL16/14/14/28). But while the mobo itself is pretty nice, once again, their software... Once in a while my PC won't boot, and i have to shuffle around my RAM sticks (MY OC passed 400% memtest). And 2 months ago, my BIOS literally self-destructed. I had never seen that. I was stuck on another bootloop which made me shuffle around the sticks. After a couple trys, i was able to access my BIOS, but with maybe 5fps, sluggish and then, my PC shuted down and i was then stuck on an UEFI error code on boot. Good thing this mobo has a BIOS updater USB port, because i wouldn't have been able to recover it otherwise as clearing the CMOS was no use. So yeah, never going back to buying anything MSI, i'll have to buy ASUS mobos i guess now
@@Obantrash Their Intel Mobos are trash but their AMD Mobos really lead the way. x570 Tomahawk, Unify, Godlike are really good the Tomahawk and Unify especially give you no reason to go higher priced Mobos.
I think that magnet connectors are used there for specific reason (and to be fancy). Imagine having there common long pins for RGB and then removing the cover/heatsink etc. not perpedicular to motherboard, but in angle, because e.g. you dont know that there is rgb connector. That could cause bending RGB pins or damaging connector.
I would expect more PCI/PCIe slots. I get there are limits because of all the M.1 slots, but if you need additional hardware like RAID NVMe or a Capture Card?
Intel tends to lock down CPU controlled raid. Requiring a "key" to make a bootable array. An x16 slot will handle the raid card in any case. But I definitely agree that this board is lacking in many categories. I think this was targeted at people with more money than brains. Thus the AIO and other noobish features.
Im really not thrilled by the slow disappearance of PCI-E 1x and 4x slots interspersed between the 16Xs, they do have uses, for example my HD60Pro cards which I have multiple of installed in my system... if I spend this much on a board/chip/ram, I really dont want to have to buy a separate set up for a workstation
If you're like me and don't care about RGB and gimmicks. You can probably buy a HEDT setup for this money, Threadripper CPU and WS board. When I built my last system I skipped the expensive mainboards, bought a Aorus X570 pro that has a 4x slot and simply added in a 10Gbit nic, done. A mainboard with the same 10Gbit NIC onboard was at least 400 euro more expensive LOL.
@@BertM3 Unfortunately I do in fact want all the toys... though I do currently have two rigs, a 9900K on an MSI Godlike Z390 with a 3080 for my gaming machine, and an X99 i7 5930K on a Gigabyte X99 UD4 with a 1080 Ti as my workstation... its just, if I went and spent $2K+ on a motherboard, I really expect more in the way of expansion, that is really kinda half the point of an expensive board.. ironically it would appear im one of the few people even eligible to buy the bloody thing in the first place... oh well... I guess I could do a build in my 1000D with the secondary as some kind of high end ITX based workstation...
Thanks for the video Der8auer. Although I think msi's "innovation" on this MB isn't any different here than Logitech adding a LCD screen on their keyboards. Funnily enough I'd much rather have this HW_info on my keyboard where it's much more functional in this location. I feel ironically this Mb is for those who like fashion over function
I had MSI X99 Godlike board and I bought back then because it was packed full of features that other motherboards didn't have and after seeing this. I feel like this is just filled with gimmicks and flashy eye candy at an eye-watering price for a platform that will maybe last a couple of years before it gets replaced.
Cheers for the review Roman, I did like it until I took a sip of my espresso coffee and you mentioned the price then I fear near choked on it and it nearly all ended up over the keyboard. That price works out to be $3,335.56 NZD, rather buy my son a car for that price just outrageous. I would love to watch and hear what the two Steves (Gamers Nexus & Hardware Unboxed) would say about this mobo.
As you say, the problem is at this cost there are things you just expect to work or have been tested properly, and for there to be next to no compromise, they made a good start but the final execution is just a bit off. Shame about the resistive screen. Can you disable the silly growling? If they had just put as much polish into it and the software as they had done the SSD RGB cover/connectors it might have been a nice addon. Absolutely agreed about the AIO. If you have 2k knocking about for a motherboard, surely you'd have a custom loop already?
I dunno man I’d pay a lot 💰 for Asus motherboard or a server motherboard like supermicro but 2k for a MSI board is a tad bit ehhh 😒 Plus it’s not even a X series chipset. I can’t get behind these high end second to top tier platforms that cost THAT much. I’d give them 600 bucks tops. Sorry, not sorry.
You know what devices use that kind of touch screen? The very first touch screen phones (or some modern industrial machines but they still dont require much pressure or at all). Feels like a prototype.
The Nintendo ds and 3ds are the most modern devices i know of that use resistive but that is likely because of the small hard plastic touchpen that cannot just be used with capacitive ones
Oh god..... That VGA error gave me horrible flashbacks to the talking car things from the 80s."The door is ajar - please close door. The door is ajar - please close door"
reminds me of the asus oc panel but made with msi quality. Really disappointed that it needs OS software to get temperature measurements since theoretically that can be done by a sub system on the board without OS knowing.
Honest reviews always welcome, good job Roman. And yeah msi monitoring ws has always been usless, on my x570 meg ace i never bothered as it also required an online account to use, NO Msi No!
This is the first one of these "stupid price" motherboards that really looks interesting to any degree... Though as you say, for the price it needs to be more refined.
Gorbaz - for the price, it needs to WORK! Not just to boot, but for everything to work, and work properly, which none of this does. It just shows the mentality of MSI to send out a board with all these issues - they're a bunch of wan**rs.
Hi der8auer! I watched one of your videos a few years ago; where you showed us how to use BIOS to overclock a 8700K (using a ASUS ROG Hero X motherboard). I wrote down all the steps in that video on a piece of paper, which I've had for many years. Every time I update my motherboard BIOS I use that paper with its instructions to re-overclock my 8700k. I have good news though, I have recently upgraded to a 12700KF + Gigabyte DDR4 motherboard. I was wondering if you plan on posting a video guide showing us how to configure this OC? I would like to request it, if you have time. Cheers, you do great work.
There is absolutely ZERO reasons why a $100 smartphone has a better touchscreen display than the one advertised for a $2,000 motherboard. Insane. And yeah there's really no reason for it to have a touchscreen at all tbh.
I TOTALLYT agree with everything you said... AMAZING INNOVATION for sure!! But it is a VERY POOR EXECUTION!! Like the touch screen?? WHO USES RESISTIVE TOUICH IN 2021?!??! Cheap ATMs, THAT'S WHO UISES THAT CRAP!!! So yes, CAPACTIVE TOUCH (ANY type of capacitive touch is better than resistive...ANY!) With GLASS AND METAL pieces around it - JUST MAKE IT ALL ONE MATERIAL! - NO PLASTIC CRAP!!! You did like 90% of it beautifully, what happened to the other 10% of effort??? Oh and not just the WEIRD placement of the ONE PCIx Gen5 (it REALLY needs to be the TOP SLOT... but maybe where you put it is better for access with removing the GPU) and NO LABELING on the board... BAD BAD BAD... I disagree with the screen being touchscreen.. it's AWESOME and you should REALLY keep it as a touchscreen (a CAPACITIVE TOUCHSCREEN) but the only reason is because people are going to WANT TO HGAVE IT REMOVED FROM THE BOARD AND PUT ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE CASE - probably 15% will want to keep it on the board.... so YES make a MUCH BETTER LOOKING space when it is removed.. and make sure it has a LONG ENOUGH CABLE to reach ANY part of the case PLUS more length to make sure it can be snaked around in weird ways - so maybe 175% of the case length with a VERY FLEXIBLE, DETACHABLE CABLE - or MAYEB EVEN MAKE IT WIRELESS - or USE STANDARD CONECTIONS - like run it on USB3 and not some proprietary cable that will cost the customer $200 to replace 🤬 DO BE LIKE APPLE!!! APPLE IS ASSHOE!!! I don't know about the AIO's performance, but I found it VERY STRANGE for it to be included - VERY STRANGE!! - You REALLY need to have just a CUSTOM CPU BLOCK that can fit into customers CUSTOM WATER COOLING - THEY DO NOT WANT YOUR AIO IF THEY ARW WQILLING TO SPEND $2000 JUST ON THE MOTHERBOARD!!! - At least MAKE IT AN OPTION!! But you HAVE TO make you custom water blocks available for customers to hook into their water cooling - THAT THING IS GORGEOUS!!! - EVERYTHING IS!!! ....... IT IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL MOTHERBOARD I HAVE EVER SEEN!!!! - NO JOKE!!! HANDS DOWN: THE BEST!!!! ...... (sorry for caps, it's not to meant to be scream, just stressing the important words) :)
I was a huge MSI guy, but after 2 RMAs last year and the way they RIPPED ME OFF (I sent the board in like I was told to it sat there for 8 weeks, when I called about it, (as they never answered emails), I was told they didn't have a replacement and offered me $20. I was like NO, that barely covers the postage of me sending it, I spent almost $250 and want either a full refund or a replacement. They sent me some cheap board in a plain white cardboard box, no software, no cables, no screws NOTHING. I was like WTF is this? MSI basically replied, take it or leave it. NEVER AGAIN. I don't want to see them not eat, but they will NEVER again eat on my dime.
For that much money I'd expect every bit of heatsink to be copper, with fin stacks and heatpipes where ever the volume permits. Seeing design choices that appear to be made for reasons other than function is a huge turn-off imo.
Steve Gamer Nexus on his video talked about AMD RX 6600 XT GPU review, he said "whatever reviews of this product by all reviewer, people still gonna buy it".
When i build a PC no cat avail why i fail & take Longer :) A few PC guys have a cat in there Videos whether borrow from Neighbor or picked up off the street We'll never Know cats inspectors of whatnots & silliness .
"The built in Speaker sounds like a 2 year old's happy meal toy" lol I'm sorry, I know you consider this to be a serious product. But the over the top gamer aesthetic and bizarre "feature" inclusions makes it impossible for me to take this thing even slightly seriously.
I like the idea of some of these features. However, the cheap sounding speaker and “touch screen” that ya damn near have to break to register a touch comes off as a cheap gimmick. Would expect more QC at this price point. Also, MSi Center is a dumpster fire and im beginning to thing the only stable software they have produced is Afterburner.
@@sopcannon Yea, i’m aware that Corsair has one with a display and that NZXT also offers AIO with a display (though i believe the NZXT one just indicates temps, etc.). Anyhow, its not the AIO in this instant that I have an issue with.
Imagine if they ditched the touchscreen and added something like an ESP32 and via that they could connect an app wirelessly independent of the main CPU and do all the diagnostics and tweaking control. Also be cheaper in materials and more robust as well as allowing so much more upon a display of the users choice.
Awesome review. The board looks great ... BUT, you made some excellent points on what a PLUS 2,000 euro board should NOT lack. IT SHOULD NOT LACK A SINGLE THING!!!! It should be perfect. After this review I'd rather spend my money on a Maximus Extreme motherboard. Thanks!
As a person who works for big tech corp, I can say that a lot of time product decisions are made by idiotic marketing managers of high rank and single engineer cannot overthrow that decision he just does what he told to do
09:17 That was totally intentional, it was not by accident, not only did she step on it with one leg, she made sure that she has stepped on it well with his rear foot, just in case.
Cats walk that way, their hind paw steps in the same spot, it's called "direct registering" it's to minimize noise, minimize footprint and ensure stable footing as their hind legs don't have to guess where to step on.
For $2k it will sit on shelves, only bought by noobs. To be later discounted to $599 on ebay while sitting in piles collecting dust like some previous "extreme" boards.
This board with it's high number of M.2 seems to be more a WS MB. But all the RGB and the screen say gamerish. How does this MB compare to a TR MB of the same price? Are there $2K TR MB's? Please do a comparison a 24C TR against your 12900K with proper water cooling. Thanks.
Agree with you on the bclk thing here.. bclk overclocking has been dead for a decade at this point, chips don't tolerate it anymore. It used to be an effective way to overclock multiplier locked CPUs but those days are long gone. it's a useless feature.
For a motherboard this expensive there's no excuse for that shitty touch screen, i get that it's not gonna be used all the time but even the cheapest smartphone today have good touch screen, also they need to make a godlike graphics card and case to complete the build
The magnetic connectors transfer power for the RGB lighting to the covers from the motherboard, probably acts like an ARGB header to keep lighting in sync.
@@StefanHolmes I did have a problem with placing it back on my motherboard after it sat in the case and I had to add an ssd. If this solves the placement issue plus ads easy rgb connection without fear of any header damage, when you just pull it off, because you forgot the rgb connection, it makes a lot of sense for me.
Also, given the fact that touchscreen isn't all that "accurate" or properly sensitive. Do you really wanna tinker with frequencies or/and voltages? For those sort of things you want to use something that you trust. Am I making sense?
Bingo. Why would I trust that unit to handle critical voltages when I can't trust it to merely know the ambient temperature (a far more prominent feature, might I add)?
Always wondered why on high end AIO they did not just have a quick connect on the block and rad. This way if you wanted you could just plumb in own tube/pipe to the block, can still use the rad (or a bigger one), and if you want add a reservoir. Personally though with MSI i would just avoid it, stuff looks nice but the software is total trash. I would rather everything RGB just have the ability to be controlled via a remote / a physical switch / in Hardware. Fan/pump speeds just set in bios / stored in hardware.
Msi be like: Z690 Gigabyte Aorus Xtreme looks cool and wide, how about we make same thing but more m.2 slot, more blocky style vrm heatsink, and more W I D E
Would be cool if you could develop your own apps to put on the little touch screen. I doubt that that is something the target audience would do but I would love it if the feature eventually comes to more budget boards.
Step 1: Get an Arduino Pro Micro and a touchscreen shield, connect power and reset to arduino. Step 2: Design a cool enclosure. Step 3: Suffer heavy losses because of hobbies.
I have to say the resistive touch screen was alarming. Like how in the world did that get past design review? No not even design review. How did someone even consider that for such a premium product? Also yeah, there really does need to be a cover, hopefully some sort of frosted cover to let that rgb subtly illuminate it, for that missing module This board look incredible sure, but it also feels very half-baked. The firmware implementation and testing needed a good ~300 extra hours of polish.
Like buying a Range Rover expecting it to do it all, just lot of bells and whistles. I am disappointed on all the empty filler crap they added, I wouldnt even spend 1000$ on this board... AIO built in? Worthless, if I am gonna spend 2000$ on a motherboard, I am custom looping like I am now. AIO's are trash for big deep overclocking....
In General PC Pricing is digging the grave of PC gaming. Motherboards, processors GPU's and now ridiculous cost of DDR5 ram is killing the genre. RIP !
As much as I like the design.... having screens on the AIO and mainboard is a huge disappointment.... the resistive touchscreen is so bad... MSI's R&D needs to smoke some weed and chill out.... who thought that was a great idea those small screens overall use up more power and generate some extra heat as well as not being very useful outside of a gimmick
The biggest problem for me with those insanely expensive boards is that back in the days expensive baords mean't that you can do very impressive overclocks - I', talking about like 20-40% for DAILY use. Nowdays the way the CPU's are made with the boost tehnology the you get like 3-5% and its how good of a CPU you get not so much about the board.
Regarding M.2: It's right on their website under specs: 6x M.2 slots (Key M) M2_1 slot (From CPU) Supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4 Supports 2260/ 2280/ 22110 storage devices M2_2 slot (From Z690 chipset) Supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4 Supports 2260/ 2280 storage devices M2_3 slot (From CPU) 2 Supports up to PCIe 5.0 x4 Supports 2260/ 2280/ 22110 storage devices M2_4 slot (From Z690 chipset) 3 Supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4 Supports SATA 6Gb/s Supports 2260/ 2280 storage devices M2_5 slot (From Z690 chipset) 1 Supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4 Supports SATA 6Gb/s Supports 2260/ 2280 storage devices M2_6 slot (From Z690 chipset) Supports up to PCIe 3.0 x4 Supports 2260/ 2280/ 22110 storage devices M2_2, M2_4, M2_5 and M2_6 slots support Intel® Optane™ Memory Took less time to find than it did for you to whinge about it.
I feel like the MSI R&D department's cocaine budget needs to be cut back *severely* if their engineers currently think this is a reasonable design for a motherboard. How's it gonna escalate further from that?
Lol!!
Make a mobo that ditches aesthetics and only focuses on cooling every component. I swear PC elitism cares more about things that don't matter like how bright is my RGB psu
Sound levitation, strong electromagnetic fields*, wireless power transmission*, wireless PCI-e Gen 5 and sata with transmitters and receivers. Just imagine how your NVMe would float above motherboard. Forget about RGB lighting, blackbody radiation is much cooler (hotter). 48 micropumps with mini waterloops inside of different levitating parts of motherboard. LED screens? That's SO retro. Screen would be projected by 16 mini-projectors on thin layers of vapor from multiple angles. Custom animation schemes for each component of motherboard.
*16x16 PSU array is not included in standard complectation
Non of the manufacturer make a perfect product. They have their own manufacturing philosophy. If all product are perfectionist, for sure the prices gonna be premium. Will you buy it? All this youtuber who review tech product, they are outsider, not the industry player nor the stakeholder. Talking is cheap than done something. LMAO
Another over priced faddy product aimed at those with too much money.
R&D: let's make the best board the world has ever seen. marketing: add medium performance accessories
13:40 oh, instead of capacitive, it's a resistive screen. At least though the panel is not TN+film.
For that price you should be able to add any grafics you want to the screens
The MSI Z690 "God, like why did I spend so much on this, it's not wroth it"
you can try using stylus for that rezistive display
I really like MSI's bios but sometimes they make some weird choices
As the memers say, "In awe at the size of this lad. Absolute unit."
There is ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE for using a resistive touch screen on a product this premium. It is unacceptable and they would have done better to scrap the touchscreen functionality entirely and maybe use lcd buttons or something. The longer this video went on the more it appeared to me that msi tried to make the most expensive toy they could in the hopes that people would see big price and buy. Its honestly offensive to hardware enthusiasts
Fully agree. The last time I used a resistive touchscreen was when I had a Nokia N97, which was horrible when it was new in 2009.
A remote control would be nice imo.
@@kanbekan simply a phone app connected via Bluetooth would have more utility.
The AIO is the biggest joke. Who buys a 2k board and uses an AIO?
@@FNFleExZ Hmm, that's kind of true even though many people that have a lot of money doesn't necessarily have the know-how to install a custom loop but I guess they would pay someone to do it for them. I have been thinking about entering into the "custom loop game" myself but I still think it's kind of diminishing returns from my Artic Freezer 420mm AIO. Looks much more cleaner with a custom loop system of course ;-)
I can easily envision the marketing people watching this review in the same room with the engineers - and the engineers, mildly infuriated, repeating "WE. TOLD. YOU. ALL. THIS."
This is what happens when the marketing people have the final saying. I can't see how this motherboard is worth the same as the FREAKING DOMINUS EXTREME. How in the fuck does an E-ATX board with stupid features is worth the same as an SSI-EEB motherboard with bonkers power delivery, while also being not so much better than the Z690 Hero at a 1/4 of the price?
I'm also confused by MSI's decision making process and priorities. They seem to care about good feedback, so how do you end up sending such a product for a review?
well-said.
@@TheMC1X hence why companies like AMD (and I hope now Intel too) is so succesful - their CEO is an engineer who UNDERSTANDS the processes themselves of making products and the high-level technical aspects of them, so they can make decisions based on understanding their own products and judge if they're good enough compared to the market offerings.
@@galgrunfeld9954 That's how in 3 years they catched up with almost a decade of market monopoly that Intel had. Bob Swan with the BS marketing wasn't cutting it, and let's not forget how they shot themselves in the foot with X299.
Keep an eye on Pat and how everything unfolds. Alder Lake so far seems nice. Not as efficient as Zen, but nice.
If MSI wants to be on the edge of technology, LED screen needs to support GIFs playback
The only new GPU I could find for sale when I was looking was the Aorus with the LCD on the side, and it supports GIFs. It's a silly gimmick, but it's fun. It also displays whatever GPU stats I want, with whatever GIF I've chosen playing in the background.
I also have one of those ROG AIOs that have a screen. Can do GIF playback as well and it has some generic ROG animation by default, mostly use it as CPU Temp.
The board I have also has a smaller monochrome screen, that one does POST (which is pretty cool because it also does tell you what each code is for), then it switches to CPU Temp. Set that one to VRM Temp.
People be buying it just to display the pornhub gif 😂
@@NonEuclideanTacoCannon and video, instead of just rgb companies should invest in more small screens like Mercedes’ does with the buttons and switches in their AMG models
I want to watch streaming video on my LED screen so yeah they had better get with it.
Kitties own everything in the house. Be glad Sheik lets you live there.
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The screen needs to be capacitive like modern cell phones. Pressure sensitive screens were used on first gen touch screen phones over 10 years ago. That's a no go even for a test product.
Kinda amazed anyone still makes them, tbh.
Yeah even the first android phones and iPhones had capacitive touch screens. Capacitive touch technology was invented nearly 70 years ago. It’s insane this doesn’t have it.
resistive touchscreens have tons of advantages over capacitive ones (that apparently most people have zero fucking clue about), but definitely not in this area. Horses for courses.
@@spectraleggings But those advantages don't apply here, Capacitive is a much better technology for this application.
More like 20 years ago now, 10 years ago was 2012, my galaxy s4 had a capacitive touch screen.
If only their customer service was half as decent as their Motherboards I'd consider buying any MSI product. Cheers Roman & Sheik.
I have a B450 Gaming Pro Carbon. It was recommended as one of the better B450 boards by Buildzoid. I've had nothing but problems. I was on a DDR4 overclocking kick and dialed my timings in perfect. Took me a month, lowering each sitting and testing all day on Karhu and Memtest Pro. Eventually I got them perfect. Before updating my bios I saved the profile on USB. Their newest bios however is incompatible with that profile. On a restart, half the time it just hangs and throws an LED VGA error. If I restart it, it'll boot fine. I'm using an MSI 1070 Ti Duke. Checking their bios revision history one of their first updates was to improve VGA compatibility. I'm assuming they forgot about their own 1070 Ti's. I've sworn off MSI boards.
i've sworn off msi since the early 2000's.
MSI's motherboards are amongst their worst products. I boought a couple ones myself, and built a dozen of PCs with them. Problems everywhere. Their UEFI might be one the best looking and simplest to use but oh boy. 8 out of 10 issues, their UEFI fucks something the rest is RAM training being dogshit. Sometimes locking customers with bootloops because the mobo faisl traning.
As a personnal example, i own a z570 Unify, great looking board, no RGB, has some nice features and supposedly great OC capabilities. I could achieve some nice RAM OC with a 5900x (3800 CL16/14/14/28). But while the mobo itself is pretty nice, once again, their software...
Once in a while my PC won't boot, and i have to shuffle around my RAM sticks (MY OC passed 400% memtest). And 2 months ago, my BIOS literally self-destructed. I had never seen that. I was stuck on another bootloop which made me shuffle around the sticks. After a couple trys, i was able to access my BIOS, but with maybe 5fps, sluggish and then, my PC shuted down and i was then stuck on an UEFI error code on boot. Good thing this mobo has a BIOS updater USB port, because i wouldn't have been able to recover it otherwise as clearing the CMOS was no use.
So yeah, never going back to buying anything MSI, i'll have to buy ASUS mobos i guess now
@@Obantrash Their Intel Mobos are trash but their AMD Mobos really lead the way. x570 Tomahawk, Unify, Godlike are really good the Tomahawk and Unify especially give you no reason to go higher priced Mobos.
@@twiggsherman3641 Me too - see my post just now. Although UK cust service was, for me, exemplary - I don't think they could have done better.
The VGA error reminds me of those Chinese bluetooth speakers saying "The bluetooth device is ready to pair " in a weird way.
Did MSI really just ship a motherboard with a janky smartphone attached to it?
Even worse. It's a janky _old_ smartphone.
I think that magnet connectors are used there for specific reason (and to be fancy). Imagine having there common long pins for RGB and then removing the cover/heatsink etc. not perpedicular to motherboard, but in angle, because e.g. you dont know that there is rgb connector. That could cause bending RGB pins or damaging connector.
Simple touching, spring loaded pins would be enough. Basically exactly same stuff they have now, just without wasting magnets :).
So esthetically it looks amazing, but it's functionality seems half baked. Resistive touch screen...please it's 2021
I would expect more PCI/PCIe slots.
I get there are limits because of all the M.1 slots, but if you need additional hardware like RAID NVMe or a Capture Card?
Intel tends to lock down CPU controlled raid. Requiring a "key" to make a bootable array. An x16 slot will handle the raid card in any case. But I definitely agree that this board is lacking in many categories. I think this was targeted at people with more money than brains. Thus the AIO and other noobish features.
Im really not thrilled by the slow disappearance of PCI-E 1x and 4x slots interspersed between the 16Xs, they do have uses, for example my HD60Pro cards which I have multiple of installed in my system... if I spend this much on a board/chip/ram, I really dont want to have to buy a separate set up for a workstation
Gamers and extreme overclockers have permantly ruined the motherboard and case market for people who want to use their computer to do things.
If you're like me and don't care about RGB and gimmicks. You can probably buy a HEDT setup for this money, Threadripper CPU and WS board. When I built my last system I skipped the expensive mainboards, bought a Aorus X570 pro that has a 4x slot and simply added in a 10Gbit nic, done. A mainboard with the same 10Gbit NIC onboard was at least 400 euro more expensive LOL.
@@BertM3 Unfortunately I do in fact want all the toys... though I do currently have two rigs, a 9900K on an MSI Godlike Z390 with a 3080 for my gaming machine, and an X99 i7 5930K on a Gigabyte X99 UD4 with a 1080 Ti as my workstation... its just, if I went and spent $2K+ on a motherboard, I really expect more in the way of expansion, that is really kinda half the point of an expensive board.. ironically it would appear im one of the few people even eligible to buy the bloody thing in the first place... oh well... I guess I could do a build in my 1000D with the secondary as some kind of high end ITX based workstation...
9:15 lol omg ! 🐈
The lighting looks like the newer Teamgroup RGB dimms. Subtle and diffused. Very nice.
Thanks for the video Der8auer. Although I think msi's "innovation" on this MB isn't any different here than Logitech adding a LCD screen on their keyboards. Funnily enough I'd much rather have this HW_info on my keyboard where it's much more functional in this location. I feel ironically this Mb is for those who like fashion over function
moved to g815 month ago, i still miss logitech lcd
Awesome like always, Roman! A kitty walking over this piece of hardware is a new level of hardcore hardware reviews.
Independent hardware testing. I see rivalry with GN.
'Kitty walking' is THE new torture test.
@@dikbozo if only he removed the socket cover…
I had MSI X99 Godlike board and I bought back then because it was packed full of features that other motherboards didn't have and after seeing this. I feel like this is just filled with gimmicks and flashy eye candy at an eye-watering price for a platform that will maybe last a couple of years before it gets replaced.
Cheers for the review Roman, I did like it until I took a sip of my espresso coffee and you mentioned the price then I fear near choked on it and it nearly all ended up over the keyboard. That price works out to be $3,335.56 NZD, rather buy my son a car for that price just outrageous.
I would love to watch and hear what the two Steves (Gamers Nexus & Hardware Unboxed) would say about this mobo.
As you say, the problem is at this cost there are things you just expect to work or have been tested properly, and for there to be next to no compromise, they made a good start but the final execution is just a bit off.
Shame about the resistive screen. Can you disable the silly growling? If they had just put as much polish into it and the software as they had done the SSD RGB cover/connectors it might have been a nice addon. Absolutely agreed about the AIO. If you have 2k knocking about for a motherboard, surely you'd have a custom loop already?
At the very least, you wouldn't use a shitty MSI aio.
I dunno man I’d pay a lot 💰 for Asus motherboard or a server motherboard like supermicro but 2k for a MSI board is a tad bit ehhh 😒
Plus it’s not even a X series chipset. I can’t get behind these high end second to top tier platforms that cost THAT much. I’d give them 600 bucks tops. Sorry, not sorry.
try 400 not 600, 400 and up starts at the x prices.
You know what devices use that kind of touch screen?
The very first touch screen phones (or some modern industrial machines but they still dont require much pressure or at all).
Feels like a prototype.
The Nintendo ds and 3ds are the most modern devices i know of that use resistive but that is likely because of the small hard plastic touchpen that cannot just be used with capacitive ones
Oh god..... That VGA error gave me horrible flashbacks to the talking car things from the 80s."The door is ajar - please close door. The door is ajar - please close door"
reminds me of the asus oc panel but made with msi quality. Really disappointed that it needs OS software to get temperature measurements since theoretically that can be done by a sub system on the board without OS knowing.
Six Optane Memory modules in RAID 0 as a boot drive 😁
Honest reviews always welcome, good job Roman. And yeah msi monitoring ws has always been usless, on my x570 meg ace i never bothered as it also required an online account to use, NO Msi No!
This is the first one of these "stupid price" motherboards that really looks interesting to any degree... Though as you say, for the price it needs to be more refined.
every year they increase the price of it a few years ago it cost $600 which was still alot for a motherboard
@@Nib_Nob-t7x Meh, X299 were way above that ~3 years ago already.
Just wait for the MSRP of the 3090Ti / 4090, I'm sure that will be fun.
@@puciohenzap891 I meant consumer not professional, professional has always had insane price premiums.
Gorbaz - for the price, it needs to WORK! Not just to boot, but for everything to work, and work properly, which none of this does. It just shows the mentality of MSI to send out a board with all these issues - they're a bunch of wan**rs.
I was more interested about your kitten , so cute :D
Hi der8auer! I watched one of your videos a few years ago; where you showed us how to use BIOS to overclock a 8700K (using a ASUS ROG Hero X motherboard). I wrote down all the steps in that video on a piece of paper, which I've had for many years. Every time I update my motherboard BIOS I use that paper with its instructions to re-overclock my 8700k.
I have good news though, I have recently upgraded to a 12700KF + Gigabyte DDR4 motherboard. I was wondering if you plan on posting a video guide showing us how to configure this OC? I would like to request it, if you have time.
Cheers, you do great work.
There is absolutely ZERO reasons why a $100 smartphone has a better touchscreen display than the one advertised for a $2,000 motherboard. Insane. And yeah there's really no reason for it to have a touchscreen at all tbh.
I TOTALLYT agree with everything you said... AMAZING INNOVATION for sure!! But it is a VERY POOR EXECUTION!! Like the touch screen?? WHO USES RESISTIVE TOUICH IN 2021?!??! Cheap ATMs, THAT'S WHO UISES THAT CRAP!!! So yes, CAPACTIVE TOUCH (ANY type of capacitive touch is better than resistive...ANY!) With GLASS AND METAL pieces around it - JUST MAKE IT ALL ONE MATERIAL! - NO PLASTIC CRAP!!! You did like 90% of it beautifully, what happened to the other 10% of effort???
Oh and not just the WEIRD placement of the ONE PCIx Gen5 (it REALLY needs to be the TOP SLOT... but maybe where you put it is better for access with removing the GPU) and NO LABELING on the board... BAD BAD BAD...
I disagree with the screen being touchscreen.. it's AWESOME and you should REALLY keep it as a touchscreen (a CAPACITIVE TOUCHSCREEN) but the only reason is because people are going to WANT TO HGAVE IT REMOVED FROM THE BOARD AND PUT ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE CASE - probably 15% will want to keep it on the board.... so YES make a MUCH BETTER LOOKING space when it is removed.. and make sure it has a LONG ENOUGH CABLE to reach ANY part of the case PLUS more length to make sure it can be snaked around in weird ways - so maybe 175% of the case length with a VERY FLEXIBLE, DETACHABLE CABLE - or MAYEB EVEN MAKE IT WIRELESS - or USE STANDARD CONECTIONS - like run it on USB3 and not some proprietary cable that will cost the customer $200 to replace 🤬 DO BE LIKE APPLE!!! APPLE IS ASSHOE!!!
I don't know about the AIO's performance, but I found it VERY STRANGE for it to be included - VERY STRANGE!! - You REALLY need to have just a CUSTOM CPU BLOCK that can fit into customers CUSTOM WATER COOLING - THEY DO NOT WANT YOUR AIO IF THEY ARW WQILLING TO SPEND $2000 JUST ON THE MOTHERBOARD!!! - At least MAKE IT AN OPTION!! But you HAVE TO make you custom water blocks available for customers to hook into their water cooling - THAT THING IS GORGEOUS!!! - EVERYTHING IS!!!
....... IT IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL MOTHERBOARD I HAVE EVER SEEN!!!! - NO JOKE!!! HANDS DOWN: THE BEST!!!! ...... (sorry for caps, it's not to meant to be scream, just stressing the important words) :)
Great video, but I do find the PC hardware a bit distracting from the cat content. . . . 🙂
The reason for the magnetic connectors on the M.2 covers is for the RGB behind the glass.
I was a huge MSI guy, but after 2 RMAs last year and the way they RIPPED ME OFF (I sent the board in like I was told to it sat there for 8 weeks, when I called about it, (as they never answered emails), I was told they didn't have a replacement and offered me $20. I was like NO, that barely covers the postage of me sending it, I spent almost $250 and want either a full refund or a replacement. They sent me some cheap board in a plain white cardboard box, no software, no cables, no screws NOTHING. I was like WTF is this? MSI basically replied, take it or leave it.
NEVER AGAIN. I don't want to see them not eat, but they will NEVER again eat on my dime.
For that much money I'd expect every bit of heatsink to be copper, with fin stacks and heatpipes where ever the volume permits. Seeing design choices that appear to be made for reasons other than function is a huge turn-off imo.
MSI knows that it's not a board for extreme overclockers. What it has is already pretty damn overkill, anyways, lol.
Steve Gamer Nexus on his video talked about AMD RX 6600 XT GPU review, he said "whatever reviews of this product by all reviewer, people still gonna buy it".
If there are RGB leds behind the tempered glass in the M2 cover the magnetic connector is to power the LEDs! How else would the LED get power.
I guess there's a slim chance I'd ever use a calculator on the motherboard lcd.....if it worked?
When i build a PC no cat avail why i fail & take Longer :)
A few PC guys have a cat in there Videos whether borrow from Neighbor or picked up off the street We'll never Know
cats inspectors of whatnots & silliness .
"The built in Speaker sounds like a 2 year old's happy meal toy"
lol
I'm sorry, I know you consider this to be a serious product. But the over the top gamer aesthetic and bizarre "feature" inclusions makes it impossible for me to take this thing even slightly seriously.
I like the idea of some of these features. However, the cheap sounding speaker and “touch screen” that ya damn near have to break to register a touch comes off as a cheap gimmick. Would expect more QC at this price point. Also, MSi Center is a dumpster fire and im beginning to thing the only stable software they have produced is Afterburner.
There are aio s with displays like this.
@@sopcannon Yea, i’m aware that Corsair has one with a display and that NZXT also offers AIO with a display (though i believe the NZXT one just indicates temps, etc.). Anyhow, its not the AIO in this instant that I have an issue with.
@@jess2690 both have the ability to use gifs.
Imagine if they ditched the touchscreen and added something like an ESP32 and via that they could connect an app wirelessly independent of the main CPU and do all the diagnostics and tweaking control. Also be cheaper in materials and more robust as well as allowing so much more upon a display of the users choice.
Motherboard costs more than I’ve ever spent on PC components in my life
Motherboard costs more than my 3070ti.
motherboard has the budget of my new build 😭
Awesome review. The board looks great ... BUT, you made some excellent points on what a PLUS 2,000 euro board should NOT lack. IT SHOULD NOT LACK A SINGLE THING!!!! It should be perfect. After this review I'd rather spend my money on a Maximus Extreme motherboard. Thanks!
As a person who works for big tech corp, I can say that a lot of time product decisions are made by idiotic marketing managers of high rank and single engineer cannot overthrow that decision he just does what he told to do
09:17 That was totally intentional, it was not by accident, not only did she step on it with one leg, she made sure that she has stepped on it well with his rear foot, just in case.
Even his cat even wants that mobo in the garbage. xD
Cats walk that way, their hind paw steps in the same spot, it's called "direct registering" it's to minimize noise, minimize footprint and ensure stable footing as their hind legs don't have to guess where to step on.
Damn and I thought my Asus maximus extreme for 1k was overkill 😂
PLEASE complain more. these companies need to know how overpriced and stupid some of their products are.
For 2k it should've been built into a case with an integrated powerboard and everything
For $2k it will sit on shelves, only bought by noobs. To be later discounted to $599 on ebay while sitting in piles collecting dust like some previous "extreme" boards.
This product is bad af, MSI is now in my blacklist together with Gigabyte.
such boards are actually useless.. i don't even know why people are buying them..
Great hardware paired with atrocious software seems to be the MO of most board manufacturers...
Hard to say who they designed this product for. True PC enthusiasts wouldn't buy this.
I 100% agree with the removal of the lcd from the display, weird design!
This board with it's high number of M.2 seems to be more a WS MB. But all the RGB and the screen say gamerish. How does this MB compare to a TR MB of the same price? Are there $2K TR MB's? Please do a comparison a 24C TR against your 12900K with proper water cooling. Thanks.
@Lava Git I know, right? But the fact that the "Bling" doesn't work correctly if at all, says CHEAP! It's putting lipstick on a pig.
Agree with you on the bclk thing here.. bclk overclocking has been dead for a decade at this point, chips don't tolerate it anymore. It used to be an effective way to overclock multiplier locked CPUs but those days are long gone. it's a useless feature.
Especially with the PCIE stability being tied into the BCLK. Just a terrible idea on a terrible board.
Corsairs memory is 6200C38 so how the hell is this memory so bad lol
2K for a mb?! Does it come with a pre-assemble Ryzen 9 and RTX 3070?
2k for mobo and DDR5 ram and AiO
That touch screen is worse than the screen I had in my Palm Pilot
Most expensive and most insanely frustrating board at the same time. Glass on VRM cover but not on usable "touch" screen. Staying with ASUS top.
Motherboard thinking it can do the gpu trick….no 😯
Can't wait for the video about the Asus ROG Maximus Z690 Extreme Glacial 😛
i cant listen the mb talk with that cute animal there, i want more
12:20 Just curious have you messed with tightening the timings on Trc and Trfc with DDR5? I'd love to see a video on that.
Just love the fully covered motherboard. This and the Z690 formula are pretty good looking
For a motherboard this expensive there's no excuse for that shitty touch screen, i get that it's not gonna be used all the time but even the cheapest smartphone today have good touch screen, also they need to make a godlike graphics card and case to complete the build
Non capacitive touch screen in 2021? It’s impressive that it’s in a motherboard but at the same time it’s not.
The magnetic connectors transfer power for the RGB lighting to the covers from the motherboard, probably acts like an ARGB header to keep lighting in sync.
It’s still screwed into place though, so it does seem redundant to also include magnetic attachment.
Also the NVMe shields could have temp sensors built into them for temp readings.
@@StefanHolmes I did have a problem with placing it back on my motherboard after it sat in the case and I had to add an ssd. If this solves the placement issue plus ads easy rgb connection without fear of any header damage, when you just pull it off, because you forgot the rgb connection, it makes a lot of sense for me.
I feel like that magnetic connector would be for the LED you mentioned.
I get the feeling it’s the old msi overvolting issue again, try lowering below 1.3v & see if it still throttles.
i rate this video 5 star because of cat that's it
let's hope MSI will follow your suggestions! All that plastic and the resistive touch screen are a no-go for me
That touchscreen component was a complete joke.
forget the board, can you do a review of the cat
Also, given the fact that touchscreen isn't all that "accurate" or properly sensitive. Do you really wanna tinker with frequencies or/and voltages? For those sort of things you want to use something that you trust. Am I making sense?
Bingo. Why would I trust that unit to handle critical voltages when I can't trust it to merely know the ambient temperature (a far more prominent feature, might I add)?
@@benjaminoechsli1941 I know right?
you can keep the MB, ill take the cat instead
Always wondered why on high end AIO they did not just have a quick connect on the block and rad. This way if you wanted you could just plumb in own tube/pipe to the block, can still use the rad (or a bigger one), and if you want add a reservoir. Personally though with MSI i would just avoid it, stuff looks nice but the software is total trash. I would rather everything RGB just have the ability to be controlled via a remote / a physical switch / in Hardware. Fan/pump speeds just set in bios / stored in hardware.
i bought once a msi baord but never again
8:54 "Ohh, roman and his magnets again"
Msi be like: Z690 Gigabyte Aorus Xtreme looks cool and wide, how about we make same thing but more m.2 slot, more blocky style vrm heatsink, and more W I D E
Intel's like: "Let's put the pins on the motherboard since the CPU is the most expensive part."
Motherboard manufacturers: "Hold my beer."
Would be cool if you could develop your own apps to put on the little touch screen. I doubt that that is something the target audience would do but I would love it if the feature eventually comes to more budget boards.
Step 1: Get an Arduino Pro Micro and a touchscreen shield, connect power and reset to arduino.
Step 2: Design a cool enclosure.
Step 3: Suffer heavy losses because of hobbies.
I have to say the resistive touch screen was alarming. Like how in the world did that get past design review? No not even design review. How did someone even consider that for such a premium product? Also yeah, there really does need to be a cover, hopefully some sort of frosted cover to let that rgb subtly illuminate it, for that missing module
This board look incredible sure, but it also feels very half-baked. The firmware implementation and testing needed a good ~300 extra hours of polish.
Like buying a Range Rover expecting it to do it all, just lot of bells and whistles. I am disappointed on all the empty filler crap they added, I wouldnt even spend 1000$ on this board... AIO built in? Worthless, if I am gonna spend 2000$ on a motherboard, I am custom looping like I am now. AIO's are trash for big deep overclocking....
What if you use a stylus to touch the screen?
The luxury $2000 option.
These expensive Mobos are scams.
In General PC Pricing is digging the grave of PC gaming. Motherboards, processors GPU's and now ridiculous cost of DDR5 ram is killing the genre. RIP !
I like the idea of the touch screen but I think the quality can definiety be improved
More “bells and whistles” = more problems I guess. Nice board, but way, way, way too expensive and everything should function correctly at that price.
As much as I like the design.... having screens on the AIO and mainboard is a huge disappointment....
the resistive touchscreen is so bad... MSI's R&D needs to smoke some weed and chill out.... who thought that was a great idea
those small screens overall use up more power and generate some extra heat as well as not being very useful outside of a gimmick
MSI sucks. Asus all the way.
The biggest problem for me with those insanely expensive boards is that back in the days expensive baords mean't that you can do very impressive overclocks - I', talking about like 20-40% for DAILY use. Nowdays the way the CPU's are made with the boost tehnology the you get like 3-5% and its how good of a CPU you get not so much about the board.
Regarding M.2:
It's right on their website under specs:
6x M.2 slots (Key M)
M2_1 slot (From CPU)
Supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4
Supports 2260/ 2280/ 22110 storage devices
M2_2 slot (From Z690 chipset)
Supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4
Supports 2260/ 2280 storage devices
M2_3 slot (From CPU) 2
Supports up to PCIe 5.0 x4
Supports 2260/ 2280/ 22110 storage devices
M2_4 slot (From Z690 chipset) 3
Supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4
Supports SATA 6Gb/s
Supports 2260/ 2280 storage devices
M2_5 slot (From Z690 chipset) 1
Supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4
Supports SATA 6Gb/s
Supports 2260/ 2280 storage devices
M2_6 slot (From Z690 chipset)
Supports up to PCIe 3.0 x4
Supports 2260/ 2280/ 22110 storage devices
M2_2, M2_4, M2_5 and M2_6 slots support Intel® Optane™ Memory
Took less time to find than it did for you to whinge about it.