Joel: [Michael wrote the outline, so I'll let him introduce the show.] Also Joel: *19 minutes later* [Alright, Michael, take it away.] 😉😂 EDIT: 45 minutes later. 😂 Love you brothers, thank you for this episode!
MLK got one thing right "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." And he is not excluded from that.
I WANT to love this channel but the vision of the faith that the host promotes is both arrogant and either naive or willfully ignoring the pain that has been caused in the name of christendom. Civil rights acts empowered a level playing field where " christian America resisted opportunities for minority people solely based on, not merit, but on a false distinction, race. please do better
We’ve Been Lied To About History By who? Hollywood gives us crap movies, except they get everything about Hitler right ALL THE TIME. Who runs that show? Why? for Money?
What matters most is as Paul said, “a new creation.” The only transformation that society will undergo must flow from regenerate hearts. Is that common denominator that Joel Webbon is looking for basically “earthly mindedness?”
There is one issue that is the master key to being right on every issue. Order vs chaos. Generation vs degenerstion. Energy vs entropy. Whatever you want to call it.
Martin Luther was the only reformer who was not at heart a revolutionary. He was a medieval thinker through and through unlike those who came after him.
Distinguishing between contrarians and conspiracy theorists is arbitrary You’re making a generalization without any real substance Besides, that distinction is irrelevant. You have the truth on your side most of the time No need to couch it in this 10 minute intro Ultimately, the distinction feels like something you’ve made up completely so you can create this thin veneer to separate yourself from people who hold views “more extreme” than yours. No one I’ve ever met is just a contrarian for its own sake
I am confident that you could not find a human being to meet this definition of contrarian. Claiming that your opponent is strictly irrational goes beyond a weak argument, its a strike against your own credibility.
@@theMolluskManhow so? A false dichotomy means that you have presented two options from which to choose and both of them are incomplete or not necessarily good/correct options for truth. The Bible is the ONLY option for truth; therefore it is not a false dichotomy. Additionally, the Word of God and the words of NASA are diametrically opposed to one another. So it’s just a dichotomy. Choose wisely.
God went through the trouble of making people groups look different, gave man the capacity to see differences, and yet we believe color blind is a virtue; we should just ignore all that. I say that is weird.
The fact that God made different ethnic groups with different color skin doesn't mean their skin color was ever meant to be the sole standard of how someone views the world. As the Bible says, there is no Jew or Gentile in God's Church. They're all the same.
@ So advocate for one bathroom at your religion's place of worship. Put into practice what you preach. Don't be a hypocrite. As the Bible says, there is neither male nor female. They're all the same. Or better, follow the God of Scripture. Jesus did. Genesis 10:5 From these the coastlands of the nations were SEPARATED into their lands, every one according to his language, according to their families, into their nations. Genesis 10:20 These are the sons of Ham, according to their families, according to their languages, by their lands, by their nations. Genesis 10:31-32 These are the sons of Shem, according to their families, according to their languages, by their lands, according to their nations. 32 These are the families of the sons of Noah, according to their genealogies, by their nations; and out of these the nations were SEPARATED on the earth after the flood. Genesis 11:6-9 The Lord said, "Behold, they are ONE people, and they all have the SAME language. And this is what they began to do, and now nothing which they purpose to do will be impossible for them. 7 "Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another's speech." 8 So the Lord SCATTERED them abroad from there over the face of the whole earth; and they stopped building the city. 9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of the whole earth; and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of the whole earth. It was a means of slowing down the spread of evil. Everyone knows that - even without scripture. Only false teaching can make one go against nature and revelation. 1 Cor 10:6 Now these things happened as examples for us, so that we would not crave evil things as they also craved. 1 Cor 10:11 Now these things happened to them as an example, and they were written for our instruction, upon whom the ends of the ages have come. Rom 15:4 For whatever was written in earlier times was written for our instruction, so that through perseverance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope. Respect boundaries. Stop globalism.
Looking at what Trump did the 1st time I did not vote for him. He talked a good game but I didn’t believe him. Time will still tell if I was right or wrong but as of now I was wrong and Trump has done much better than I expected.
What argument? He is right ...The real reason the space program was dialed way back was 1. That the woke demanded more money on 'social ' programs and 2. The Russians stopped their moon program.
I love this content . You should just start doing UA-cam full time and let someone else be the main preaching pastor. I have no idea how you do both with the excellence. One of your roles will eventually take the back seat imo.
On the other hand.. nepotism can often go too far. At least from my own experience in business, etc, most times I've seen the dad pass over long standing employees or other soldiers in his unit to hand it over to his kid.. that business died and shortly everyone was out of a job.
Have you heard of Chad O Jackson upcoming film he is doing on MLK? An independent project with an April premiere anticipated. Would love to see an interview done by you or Jon with him. Great comments and perspective ! Also have to also bring up TGC MLK conference in 2017. Absolutely no discernment by them that they blindly lifted him up! Where’s the repentance?!! I wonder if they’ll be publishing an article 42 days from now?!
I don’t think he knows what or when the dark ages were because almost everything he says about the “Dark” Ages are actually true about the Middle Ages or Medieval Europe. The Dark Ages are the dark ages because history went “dark” and we don’t know much about it. The conversion of the Vikings happened at the very end of the Dark Ages but everything else he mentioned was Middle Ages or Renaissance.
Where is John getting his information on Abraham Lincoln? How could history have told it so wrong? Believe me I know the government lies but I have never heard anyone say these things about Lincoln especially that he was deceitful & an atheist.
One thing to keep in mind when it comes to history, especially as it relates to the Civil War. Those who are the victors write the history and they shape the narrative of everything that happens. They even forced those in the South to begin teaching their false narrative in the schools. That's why so many of us never heard anything any different about Lincoln and everyone thinks he's this great Christian and hero. Southerners knew better and wrote books and essays that told the truth. Many have been lost over time but certainly not all, and there have been more books published that tell a very different story of that crucial war in our history. My sister is a Civil War enthusiast (War Between the States is a better term) and she's shared many things with me. I'm sure if asked, Jon could give you some recommendations on where to find the truth.
His argument is ridiculous. You can be a contrarian now without believing that the majority has always been wrong. This is what you call a straw man argument.
You have to look to those historical moments which are highlighted in a countries culture. For America it is the Revolution, which is always told falsely, and that is made to be the greatest moment in your history. Therefore Revolution is always going to be Americans view of what is best, and that’s why you will always have revolutionaries, addicted to change, until that changes.
So if we didn’t go to the moon then whitie hasn’t done anything. Seems like a bad take to me. I wouldn’t stake my heritage on that. You can if you want. 😂
Apparently my comment disappeared so I'll try again. Joel, what you said about the Mustache Man is almost certainly going to be clipped out of context and shown to Moscow and others, even though you clarified and talked about not lionizing him later, and have in the past as well. They *just* released a blog/video about how people will soon start saying that, "he actually wasn't all that bad!" Godspeed, brothers, and thank you for being faithful.
Just embarked on this wild “Biblical Patriarchy” journey (1 week in), can anyone post a link to Joel’s earliest videos on this topic. I want to know when and how his views on men and women in the church started changing. I’m a detoxing complementarian and between the videos from Doug and Joel’s that I’ve watched on this topic, I want to make sure I’m not being swayed by “itching ears” or having an adverse over-reaction to all the feminist “evangelical” girls up here in the North East where I live…
Dude. I'm glad to see you have a desire to find biblical truth when it comes to God's design. I think you hit the nail on the head with your last bit. I would guess you're having an overreaction. I would caution you, however, that you won't find biblical truth here. Mr. Webbon would prefer that you didn't live in his country.
@FirRealIdaho It is his show and I'm reminded why I haven't listened to it in awhile... when you have guests, it's interesting to hear their views as well. Not word salad ramblings.
@theMolluskMan 45min in and still no guest discussion... just word salad ramblings. It had been a while since I've listened to his show. Thought maybe he's gotten better... nope.
I believe in the flat earth and I think we didn’t land on the moon. I don’t think the moon is a solid object you can land on. I believe the moon is a light just like the sun like it says in the Bible.
'A contrarian is someone who determines truth based on (opposition to) the majority.' Fine, but that does not apply to any non-straw individual and it's insane to say otherwise. You don't like Nick Fuentes' criticism of the new admin. Just address that specifically instead.
If we are going to gst it right, we might as well understand the bible. Everything in the bible has been fulfilled, Jesus came back in 66 to 70 ad, like He said He would. He came in the glory of His Father, using Rome as a rod of indignation against His enemies. Rome fell too for its own excesses later. This is the rock, not hewn by human hands, crushing the mixed feet of the Daniel statue. There's more, like how the bible was really about Israel only but I'll keep it short. If we figure out the truth of the bible, maybe we can project power instead of navel gazing over sins and a law that was never addressed to us.
@JW-tg1nn They deleted my response to you, because they are soft gay little white boys pretending to know the truth of scripture. But they are pathetic liars like Ben Shapiro and all the other zionists.
I agree. Wait.. You aren't talking about Protestant historians gross misrepresentation and revisionism? Oh. Yeah, well you're being lied to over there as well.
@@RightResponseMinistriesyou should care. You are supposed to be representing Christ as a "pastor" (even though you're not ordained, didn't go to seminary and are self-appointed). You're failing miserably. Your children will be ashamed.
Jesus returned in 70 AD and established His 1000 year reign, which physically dominated the earth. We are now in the time of Satan’s little season where the nations are deceived. We are deceived on where we live, when we leave, and what is to come next.
Thank you for having this discussion and making it available.
Mighty men of valor, thank you. My husband & I have registered for the conference & we booked our hotel today. So excited!
What hotel did you guys book? I’ve been looking but haven’t chosen yet
@@pamcollins2178 Awesome!
Joel: [Michael wrote the outline, so I'll let him introduce the show.]
Also Joel: *19 minutes later* [Alright, Michael, take it away.]
😉😂
EDIT: 45 minutes later. 😂
Love you brothers, thank you for this episode!
@@topkapi9351 🤦♂️
Lololololol
Two of my favorite guys on the same show! Do this more often. Maybe John can have Joel on his show.
You're on the right path. Keep on keeping on!! God bless y'all. See you in April!!
MLK got one thing right "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." And he is not excluded from that.
Based
Wow I love this channel. Been watching since march 2024. The extent to which this has benefitted my young family has been enormous.
I WANT to love this channel but the vision of the faith that the host promotes is both arrogant and either naive or willfully ignoring the pain that has been caused in the name of christendom. Civil rights acts empowered a level playing field where " christian America resisted opportunities for minority people solely based on, not merit, but on a false distinction, race. please do better
Thank you Joel for pointing out the connection between theonomy and libertarianism. This needed to be said
Try andew wilson the crucible
We’ve Been Lied To About History
By who?
Hollywood gives us crap movies, except they get everything about Hitler right ALL THE TIME.
Who runs that show? Why? for Money?
No business like Shoeh business!
If a large portion of christians ever figure out the J Q, everything would change.
Gross.
lol sounds like you need to look a little more into that “moon landing”
What matters most is as Paul said, “a new creation.” The only transformation that society will undergo must flow from regenerate hearts. Is that common denominator that Joel Webbon is looking for basically “earthly mindedness?”
There is one issue that is the master key to being right on every issue.
Order vs chaos. Generation vs degenerstion. Energy vs entropy. Whatever you want to call it.
Martin Luther was the only reformer who was not at heart a revolutionary. He was a medieval thinker through and through unlike those who came after him.
Distinguishing between contrarians and conspiracy theorists is arbitrary
You’re making a generalization without any real substance
Besides, that distinction is irrelevant. You have the truth on your side most of the time
No need to couch it in this 10 minute intro
Ultimately, the distinction feels like something you’ve made up completely so you can create this thin veneer to separate yourself from people who hold views “more extreme” than yours.
No one I’ve ever met is just a contrarian for its own sake
I am confident that you could not find a human being to meet this definition of contrarian. Claiming that your opponent is strictly irrational goes beyond a weak argument, its a strike against your own credibility.
To believe NASA or the Bible…. Choose wisely
False dichotomy.
@@theMolluskManhow so? A false dichotomy means that you have presented two options from which to choose and both of them are incomplete or not necessarily good/correct options for truth. The Bible is the ONLY option for truth; therefore it is not a false dichotomy. Additionally, the Word of God and the words of NASA are diametrically opposed to one another. So it’s just a dichotomy. Choose wisely.
@@monew632 wrong.
God went through the trouble of making people groups look different, gave man the capacity to see differences, and yet we believe color blind is a virtue; we should just ignore all that. I say that is weird.
It is indeed
The fact that God made different ethnic groups with different color skin doesn't mean their skin color was ever meant to be the sole standard of how someone views the world. As the Bible says, there is no Jew or Gentile in God's Church. They're all the same.
@ So advocate for one bathroom at your religion's place of worship. Put into practice what you preach. Don't be a hypocrite. As the Bible says, there is neither male nor female. They're all the same.
Or better, follow the God of Scripture. Jesus did.
Genesis 10:5 From these the coastlands of the nations were SEPARATED into their lands, every one according to his language, according to their families, into their nations.
Genesis 10:20 These are the sons of Ham, according to their families, according to their languages, by their lands, by their nations.
Genesis 10:31-32 These are the sons of Shem, according to their families, according to their languages, by their lands, according to their nations. 32 These are the families of the sons of Noah, according to their genealogies, by their nations; and out of these the nations were SEPARATED on the earth after the flood.
Genesis 11:6-9 The Lord said, "Behold, they are ONE people, and they all have the SAME language. And this is what they began to do, and now nothing which they purpose to do will be impossible for them. 7 "Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another's speech." 8 So the Lord SCATTERED them abroad from there over the face of the whole earth; and they stopped building the city. 9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of the whole earth; and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of the whole earth.
It was a means of slowing down the spread of evil. Everyone knows that - even without scripture. Only false teaching can make one go against nature and revelation.
1 Cor 10:6 Now these things happened as examples for us, so that we would not crave evil things as they also craved.
1 Cor 10:11 Now these things happened to them as an example, and they were written for our instruction, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.
Rom 15:4 For whatever was written in earlier times was written for our instruction, so that through perseverance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
Respect boundaries. Stop globalism.
@theeternalsbeliever1779 it's hilarious that you think racial differences stop at skin color.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 it's hilarious that you think the differences stop at skin color
Just curious why your having a Catholic at your conference?
Looking at what Trump did the 1st time I did not vote for him. He talked a good game but I didn’t believe him. Time will still tell if I was right or wrong but as of now I was wrong and Trump has done much better than I expected.
What happened to your Preston sprinkle live stream? I was listening and it got shut down and set to private?
@@Pastor_Grant we had a tech issue -full episode uploading shortly
Will be available here momentarily:
ua-cam.com/video/geP5rnq4MMw/v-deo.html
I might be a conspiracy theorist but i guarantee im not a coincidence theorist.
That is by far, dumbest argument for the moon landing I've heard yet, and I've heard a lot of them.
You're just saying that because you wanna take credit away from the whites!!!!!! 😡
Agree. White Americans being great and the moon landing being faked are not mutually exclusive.
What argument? He is right ...The real reason the space program was dialed way back was 1.
That the woke demanded more money on 'social ' programs and 2. The Russians stopped their moon program.
Great counterargument!
I love this content . You should just start doing UA-cam full time and let someone else be the main preaching pastor. I have no idea how you do both with the excellence. One of your roles will eventually take the back seat imo.
Great team-up
On the other hand.. nepotism can often go too far.
At least from my own experience in business, etc, most times I've seen the dad pass over long standing employees or other soldiers in his unit to hand it over to his kid.. that business died and shortly everyone was out of a job.
There's no way you've seen that happen more than once 🙄
We are not supposed to like this YT and also not Doug Wilson either. Always interesting. John Harris as a guest tops it off!
These arguments work if you’re post millennialist - otherwise they’re very dangerous. So the first thing to do is to decide on the former.
Have you heard of Chad O Jackson upcoming film he is doing on MLK? An independent project with an April premiere anticipated. Would love to see an interview done by you or Jon with him. Great comments and perspective ! Also have to also bring up TGC MLK conference in 2017. Absolutely no discernment by them that they blindly lifted him up! Where’s the repentance?!! I wonder if they’ll be publishing an article 42 days from now?!
I don’t think he knows what or when the dark ages were because almost everything he says about the “Dark” Ages are actually true about the Middle Ages or Medieval Europe. The Dark Ages are the dark ages because history went “dark” and we don’t know much about it. The conversion of the Vikings happened at the very end of the Dark Ages but everything else he mentioned was Middle Ages or Renaissance.
Yes
Sure love John Harris' views and the way he thinks!
Where is John getting his information on Abraham Lincoln? How could history have told it so wrong? Believe me I know the government lies but I have never heard anyone say these things about Lincoln especially that he was deceitful & an atheist.
One thing to keep in mind when it comes to history, especially as it relates to the Civil War. Those who are the victors write the history and they shape the narrative of everything that happens. They even forced those in the South to begin teaching their false narrative in the schools. That's why so many of us never heard anything any different about Lincoln and everyone thinks he's this great Christian and hero. Southerners knew better and wrote books and essays that told the truth. Many have been lost over time but certainly not all, and there have been more books published that tell a very different story of that crucial war in our history. My sister is a Civil War enthusiast (War Between the States is a better term) and she's shared many things with me. I'm sure if asked, Jon could give you some recommendations on where to find the truth.
One thing is sure… Elon isn’t faking anything. Whitey is going to be on mars very shortly
You mean Greenland? 😅
His argument is ridiculous. You can be a contrarian now without believing that the majority has always been wrong. This is what you call a straw man argument.
Contrarian: one who goes against popular opinion, particularly in stock deals and always opposes popular views.
You don't understand the definition of contrarian
There were contrarians on 4chan. However, most were researchers that checked or refuted each others research. They were only after the truth.
Wrong.
@@JW-tg1nn Oh? Were you one of the glowies then?
@melodioustunes i don't know what that means. 4chan was a bunch of looney toons feeding each other nonsense.
You have to look to those historical moments which are highlighted in a countries culture. For America it is the Revolution, which is always told falsely, and that is made to be the greatest moment in your history. Therefore Revolution is always going to be Americans view of what is best, and that’s why you will always have revolutionaries, addicted to change, until that changes.
18 minutes in and I'm not a sure what the topic is
HINT: it's in the title and also in the show notes (description beneath) of the video.
So if we didn’t go to the moon then whitie hasn’t done anything. Seems like a bad take to me. I wouldn’t stake my heritage on that. You can if you want. 😂
But the moon is not a place to which you can go. It’s a nightlight.
@@monew632truth
I’ve tried hard to listen to Joel Webbon, the guy likes the sound of his voice too much.
Apparently my comment disappeared so I'll try again.
Joel, what you said about the Mustache Man is almost certainly going to be clipped out of context and shown to Moscow and others, even though you clarified and talked about not lionizing him later, and have in the past as well. They *just* released a blog/video about how people will soon start saying that, "he actually wasn't all that bad!"
Godspeed, brothers, and thank you for being faithful.
1:25:00 Why does this guy like Stonewall Jackson over Abraham Lincoln?
@@sgabig I'll give you one guess... he gives you another pretty big clue with what he says about H!tler right after that...
Joel feel like the wrong side won
@@sgabig I'll give you one guess...
Abe is responsible for nearly wiping out an entire generation of white American men.
Just embarked on this wild “Biblical Patriarchy” journey (1 week in), can anyone post a link to Joel’s earliest videos on this topic. I want to know when and how his views on men and women in the church started changing.
I’m a detoxing complementarian and between the videos from Doug and Joel’s that I’ve watched on this topic, I want to make sure I’m not being swayed by “itching ears” or having an adverse over-reaction to all the feminist “evangelical” girls up here in the North East where I live…
Dude. I'm glad to see you have a desire to find biblical truth when it comes to God's design. I think you hit the nail on the head with your last bit. I would guess you're having an overreaction. I would caution you, however, that you won't find biblical truth here. Mr. Webbon would prefer that you didn't live in his country.
^ the last two lines of that statement are patently false. Listen to or read his other material on what America means as a nation.
@@topkapi9351 I've heard him declare he would prefer America to be a white nation with my own ears.
As per usual, I try to watch/listen, but Joel just goes on and on before we even get to Jon. Ugh
This is true :(
It’s literally his show lol.
"As usual" means you knew what to expect, and yet you still complain.
Also, have you never heard of the fast-forward feature? It's life-changing.
@FirRealIdaho It is his show and I'm reminded why I haven't listened to it in awhile... when you have guests, it's interesting to hear their views as well. Not word salad ramblings.
@theMolluskMan 45min in and still no guest discussion... just word salad ramblings. It had been a while since I've listened to his show. Thought maybe he's gotten better... nope.
I agree with your assessment but reject your characterization of the term contrarian. I’m a contrarian. Otherwise good talk.
Orthadox for the win. Deus vult
I believe in the flat earth and I think we didn’t land on the moon. I don’t think the moon is a solid object you can land on. I believe the moon is a light just like the sun like it says in the Bible.
What are all those craters in that “ball of light”? The larger ones are visible through a telescope.
This is truly the most ridiculous fundie take I've ever seen, and I'm not anywhere close to a space normie. What are all the craters, then?
@ I’m not sure but have you actually seen them with a telescope with your own eyes?
@ have you actually seen the craters with your own eyes?
@@Annarosegorman Yes. You can see them yourself with a decent pair of binoculars.
'A contrarian is someone who determines truth based on (opposition to) the majority.'
Fine, but that does not apply to any non-straw individual and it's insane to say otherwise.
You don't like Nick Fuentes' criticism of the new admin. Just address that specifically instead.
Apply this same scrutiny to the Reformation and get acquainted with the first 1000 years of the church
If we are going to gst it right, we might as well understand the bible.
Everything in the bible has been fulfilled, Jesus came back in 66 to 70 ad, like He said He would. He came in the glory of His Father, using Rome as a rod of indignation against His enemies. Rome fell too for its own excesses later. This is the rock, not hewn by human hands, crushing the mixed feet of the Daniel statue.
There's more, like how the bible was really about Israel only but I'll keep it short.
If we figure out the truth of the bible, maybe we can project power instead of navel gazing over sins and a law that was never addressed to us.
@@stephenphillips8792 yikes
@@JW-tg1nnYour soy is showing, just like RR. You won't say I'm incorrect, you would be all over it with facts.
@JW-tg1nn They deleted my response to you, because they are soft gay little white boys pretending to know the truth of scripture. But they are pathetic liars like Ben Shapiro and all the other zionists.
I agree. Wait.. You aren't talking about Protestant historians gross misrepresentation and revisionism? Oh. Yeah, well you're being lied to over there as well.
meanwhile that entire contrarian rant was blatantly racist. do better in Christ's name
@QueXtlyf No it wasn’t. Also, I don’t really care, Margaret.
@@RightResponseMinistriesyou should care. You are supposed to be representing Christ as a "pastor" (even though you're not ordained, didn't go to seminary and are self-appointed). You're failing miserably. Your children will be ashamed.
@@RightResponseMinistries you should care. You are a false teacher.
@@RightResponseMinistries Good one RRM!🤣
@@JW-tg1nn 🤣🤣🤣 You're always good for a laugh, JW!
Jesus returned in 70 AD and established His 1000 year reign, which physically dominated the earth. We are now in the time of Satan’s little season where the nations are deceived. We are deceived on where we live, when we leave, and what is to come next.
@@AlfredTheBased heresy.
@@JW-tg1nnyou really added to the conversation. Ready your Bible! Matthew 24 Luke 21 Revelation 20
JW is correct - full preterism is HERESY.
@@AlfredTheBased nowhere in the bible does it say that Jesus already returned. This is heresy.
I think you could be right