Entrepreneur's Refusal To Share Secrets Of His Engine System Cost Him Dearly | Dragons' Den
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- Simon Scott entered the Den representing 'Kestrel Aerospace LTD' - is a small, cheaply produced one-person air vehicle, using a ducted fan propulsion system. Simon is seeking £150,000 but the Dragons are unsure if the idea is just too farfetched.
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The Dragons really missed out on this one. This business went on to be a huge success and now basically everyone has one of these Personal Air Vehicles. I can see a few flying outside my window right this second, with pigs inside.
Got a good chuckle from that. Reminded me of Animal Farm.
Lol, great comment. Exactly what I was thinking, this was clearly pie in the sky.
For all we know he Patterned the technology and sold the technology which is used on different stuff for loads of money . U dont av too see cars in the sky out ya window for him to of made this worth his while dumass
JesusJuenger Ay I had a good laugh on your comment.👍🏻
@MegaCarboman no lol
Must truly stealth and silent as I've never actually heard or seen one.
That was just the prototype. The production model is in the shape of a pig.
Jenny saw one, she was out
The company has been dissolved.
My teacher asked me why I wasn't at camouflage class.
I think the dragons where way to intrested. I would have been done with this fairly quickly. It's not a realistic product. If you could make something like this it would do very well but the problem are his claims:
Silent
130mph
2 liters an hour
Cheap
I study industrial design, so know a decent amount about designing a thing like this. And that is just not possible. Not all at the same time at least. So either he designed a on absolutely amazing new engine, radically different from anything we have seen. Or he is lying. Him not wanting to discuss the engine, makes me believe the latter
Peter jones looks like he's fresh out of business college
Look at his chubby cheeks! See what 15 years can do to a man
His hair is just terrible.
he looks like an egg
Peter Jones might be out of business college
But Jenny is out
He sure does😍
Narrator "two of the four dragons are out. If the remaining two dragons declare themselves out then all of the dragons will be out"
Yes, the floor is definitely made out of floor 😂
Seriously what is his role supposed to be haha
Lol. I’m sure he’s a lovely bloke but he has undeniably the most useless narrator role in the history of narrating.
That's my job!
@@irishjay9485 he comes up with puns none of us could possibly imagine
This is a straight up scam. It offers heretofore impossible specs and doesn't explain any of it, all while doing it for a really cheap price? Red flags all around.
no, really?
He failed to mention it also allows the user to fly forwards or backwards in time.
I bet the engine is made of a bunch of cats running on treadmills
Yup. Lol, 2 liters per hour? On a tilt-rotor VTOL? I think an absolute minimum for power would have to be 150hp per engine. That's being generous and giving it the lift characteristics of a helicopter, which it won't have. Because its a VTOL tilt-rotor, the helicopter parts it WILL have to have is cyclic control for each nacelle, which is one of the most mechanically complex and expensive things you can stick in an aircraft. If you don't have cyclic control (like the V-22 osprey) then it wont even get off the ground before it crashes. As for "silent", ducted fans on a manned aircraft are quieter than a normal nacelle but its still at least a couple orders of magnitude louder than a car.
Everything he said about the "aircraft" is a lie. Not stretching the truth, not being misinformed. Just an outright lie. He couldn't even be bothered to mock-up landing gear for his fantasy model. Is it going to have flush, hidden hydraulic landing gear? You MIGHT get just the landing gear for 75k.
@@ImWatchinYou I heard jenny runs them that's why she's always out...
I'm glad humanity has mastered driving so well that we can all become pilots now
There’s no way this bloke can complete such a design project for the money he’s talking about. Car manufacturers spend millions designing their cars for function and safety.
DylValentine he also claims it can run for an hour on just 2.5 litres of fuel 🤣
@@fluffyhead6377
It had a hybrid engine.
@@Bollibompa it had no engine kid, its a scam
@@fluffyhead6377 thats cause the rest of the energy comes from hopes and dreams.
Autonomous flight y6s 🤔
Simon: Excuse me...losing my breath...
*Narrator: Simon is already struggling to explain his futuristic idea*
Simon: Thanks
Narrator: "The dynamic entrepreneur and inventor wants £150,000.00, but will it fly with the Dragons? Already, Jenny Campbell has concerns...."
2500ml of petrol per hour.
thats 40ml of petrol per minute. thats less than 1ml of petrol per second. 1ml of petrol needs to be able to, in one second, counteract gravity (allow it to hover like a helicopter, nevermind gain altitude), for a mass of about 120kg (assuming a person plus the craft plus fuel), thats 250 pounds of thrust required.. from 1ml of fuel per second.
shame none of the dragons are physicists. but then again, neither am i.
Yeah this is some straight up bullshit.
A paramotor uses about 2 liters an hour. And that's with forward momentum, a huge glide ratio and way less weight.
Gallons p er hour please who gives a XXXX about litres. We returned to being Britain yesterday, remember?
@@davidmg1925 bruh it was 2 days ago and stop being a little bum boy. its just a unit of measurement. we know britain fucked up and left EU dont need to rub it in.
@Michael B Read it again.
@@davidmg1925 Oh boy back to gallons, pints, ferkins and drams. The youth of today will never do it.
It took me until he said it costs 75k to realise this was for a human and he wasn’t pitching a toy plane 😩🥴
This was so futuristic for 2005, damn.
its from January 2005
@@vulcanus9384 edited, my bad.
Why "damn"? Are you disappointed?
That must be sarcasm. It looks decades old.
X Really? I havent seen these around for decades personally, in fact I’ve never seen one of these flying around.
Company ceased trading in 2007, and 15 years after this was broadcast, such devices are still not in the skies. Think it's fair to say we can take the Dragon's projections with a pinch of salt.
Isn't it more fun to pretend there was a conspiracy against his idea? The big aeroplane companies paid him billions to keep quiet - or whatever.
@@Jehannum2000 And why did all the motor industry not paid Elon Musk to keep his electric car out of production?
Look into Esprit Aeronautics and other eVTOL/ePAV companies.
@@Bollibompa look into not scamming people
@@umungus518
What are you talking about Dumbo?
Wait he was an IT Manager ,well paid, he went all in with such a risk without first securing funds and then leaving the job? No,this is bollocks
"Covince me you're not that guy who's trying to get that rocket on Mars"
He would have rejected Elon Musk 😂 😂
Haha that's exactly what I thought :D
Elon should be rejected.
@@FortoFight stfu
this comment is underrated
Hilarious. Look at Spacex now
Clearly if Boeing were that interested in this, they would've bought him out
Matthew Lenton he has the patent, the best they could do is buy a license from him. You degenerate
@@tom1323 you can also sell the patent, not just license it. Why the insults?
bogey bichon because why would he sell a patent if he’s already producing the product 😂 selling the license would be the only logical thing to do so he would get a royalty. Selling the patent would be completely useless to any entrepreneur as true entrepreneurship is about fixing a problem rather than short term monetary gain
@@tom1323 He is not producing the product and does not have the money required to produce it...hence the possibility of selling the patent so that his creation can be produced. In reality, money is power and Boeing IF they were interested would dictate the terms as this guy has no money to produce it.
Tom Harris imagine randomly insulting others when you’re clearly quite thick yourself, yikes.
Yeah, I'm sure the city of London would welcome a swarm of these things in their airspace
2:32 Having a go at Elon Musk, if only he'd known.
That's the comment I was looking for lol
Same 😂
“These are coming whether people like it or not”.
2020 - nope.
When I first loaded the video, I thought you were wrong - I thought he was pitching a drone. "In everybody's driveway" is such a far-fetched pitch. If that were in everybody's driveway, I'd be very worried about what's in the sky above me! Elon Musk's concept of underground transport sounds better than this.... Not to say if this air vehicle worked I wouldn't buy one, though.
Well this is coming, Uber, Boeing, Amazon, and others have been working on this for a few years now and their models look very similar to his which is weird as hell considering this episode must be very old.....There will be vehicles in the sky just like this very soon but granted, you won’t be flying one yourself as they will be used as an autonomous taxi service or unmanned drone for delivery
Terry E Yeah definitely. They’re for automated applications as opposed to private use by and large. If this was done privately now, or within five or so years it would probably be pretty dangerous lol.... Not to say having one of those bad boys wouldn’t be damn cool.
ZedX
Massively dangerous lol
I work for a company that builds aircraft power generators for airbus and their main carriers - there is an entire department dedicated to building and developing electric motors for vehicles just like this.
Does anyone know how old this episode is? Because that model is almost identical to what others are currently developing right now!
Meanwhile, in 2020, I'm still driving around on the ground.
Narrator: **watching and taking notes** 📝
0:45 Simon already struggling 😢
1:14 Simon needs to convince the dragons 😲
3:03 Simon has got the dragons interested 👌
4:07 Simon refuses to share 😲
4:49 Simon really starts to struggle 😢
5:12 Simon came here looking for £££ 😲
5:52 CC: Alzheimer's hopes hang on the decision of Doug 😢
6:32 Simon's been brought crashing down to earth (pun of the day) 👌
Reminds me of that episode of the Simpsons where Mr Burns (gone crazy) forces Smithers to get into a model plane at gunpoint..... "I said hop in...."
You realise that its based on the real life experiences of working with Howard Hughes, yeah?
It took me like two minutes before I realized these were for people, and not just drones.
I can reveal the secret mechanics of how it flies. It goes whoosh and weee
Simon: Takes a breath from walking up the stairs and setting up
Narrator: Simon is struggling with his pitch already 😂
🤣🤣🤣 Crack!!
0:40 Now I know why they installed a lift in the new episodes 😂
I wonder if the Dragons clubbed together and invested in that lift?
@@r3tr0gam3r89 Maybe there was an entrepreneur who pitched installing the elevator.
_I demand 150k for 20% of the equity. The lift will be marvellous_
Touker: _You're very credible so I'm gonna offer you my offices in London to remotely manage the lift_
Deborah: _Is this going to be environmentally friendly?_
Tej: _I could help you with the distribution. We're going to install these lifts in every den in the world_
Peter: _This is an excellent idea, but I demand 50% of the equity_
Jenny: _I like walking and for that reason I'm out_
they didn"t install a lift, they moved to a single floor studio
look at the floor, there"s no gap for separately moving parts
@@AnarchistMetalhead it was more for the joke...
The Irish Dragons Den has a lift, but is filmed in a single story building. So they walk in, turn around, then walk out 😁😁
How did the dragons not rip him apart for not having any proof of any of his ridiculous claims? This is borderline perpetual motion nonsense.
The prototype Kestrel VTOL had a paraglider petrol engine that generated 40kW of electricity. This was used in conjunction with a battery and a high-power capacitor. The energy generated on board powered the avionics and the two ducted fans on the tilting wing, which sat atop the airframe and was moved by electrical actuators. There were two impeller electrical motors within each ducted fan. One motor powered the small impeller and, above that, a more powerful motor turned the larger impeller.
This combination of counter-rotating large impellers and small impellers was key to the design. Once hovering, the tilt wing moved to an angle of 60° and the thrust from the smaller impeller was diverted horizontally, giving forward thrust.
The amount of petrol used was so low because it was a hybrid engine. Check out eVTOL, EPAV and Simon's current company Esprit Aeronautics if you want to learn more.
contact@espritaeronautics.com
Bollibompa A hybrid engine!? How friggin’ heavy would a battery need to be to store the energy needed for flight? Heavy enough to stop it flying at 180mph I reckon.
@@Bollibompa, that website is dead.
@@Bollibompa Such nonsense. You don't even know the difference between a propeller and an impeller, LMAO
Company Dissolution Date: 13 Nov 2007.
Any idea roughly when it was recorded?
@@DarkChasmGamers January 2005 mate.
Not surprising. My BS detector was off the charts on this one. He might as well have tried to sell the Eiffel Tower.
@@muchograndeyolatengo yes mine too.
@@HellhoundX90 ok
"I don't wish to talk about that at the moment..... I don't want to talk about that either at the moment..." Google Translate tells me that means "I don't have a patent" And "It doesn't really work, which is why I don't have visual proof, just a small model."
I brought one, so fantastic. I am always torn whether to fly this or use my underwater car to go to work.
I know the teleporter pods cost s fair bit more, but they're soooo much more convenient.
Company established 2003
Company dissolved 2007
I guess this idea never took off
RIP
Honestly, until about 2:20 I thought he was making little airplane drones.. I don't know how the hell I missed the reality of the pitch.
When he said they'd cost 75,000 I was confused as hell 🤭
I thought it was a new type of drone, until he said the price. 😮
These early episodes really show how much dental work Peter has had.
Confused how none of the dragons didn't pick up and point out how obvious a scam that was, with every claim being completely outlandish.
Maybe this kind of promised vehicle was trendy at the time?
At 1:10 he says its small enough to fit in your garage,from what i can see its small enough to fit in your car boot 🤪
That was just a model for demonstration purposes.
Uouttooo i am fully aware that was a model,get your dictionary out and look up the word ‘joke’
@@TheBerzerker666 I looked it up and also found the word "terrible" and "joke".
@@TheBerzerker666 Ha ha, that wasn't a joke. You didn't know it was a model!
He didn't want to share the secrets because it doesn't work like he says. It's a shame the dragons didn't even mention anything about the thrust required to get off the ground and fly at such high speeds
The Spruce Moose!!
*clicks gun*
I said... Get in
Dragons are so nice in these early episodes. They’d tear him up for not revealing the tech nowadays.
Why does Simon have no footage of the working vehicle?
Personal air travel will never be a thing. Imagine the carnage.
Didn't horse and buggy owners say the same thing about Henry Ford and his combustion engine automobile?
I've often thought about it. I can't see it working at the moment, without strict air traffic laws. it's just too complicated.
NEVER is a pretty long time and not realistic either especially with people like Elon Musk in the world!
A silent aircraft that uses two and a half liters of fuel per hour, at 183 mph? Sure!
Pretty sure you see these in 'Black ops 2'
...or Starcraft 2... or Unreal Tournament 3... or the movie Avatar...
In a way, the guy was right - they are everywhere... at least in fiction.
How did no one bring up the fact you’d need some sort of pilots licence?
That's the least of it's problems. The big thing is getting this kind of vehicle type approved. That's going to cost more than 150k in itself. Like around 10 times more, at the very, very least. Without that, no commercial possibility at all.
@@Rapscallion2009 Type approval is the least of its problems. The big thing is the laws of physics.
Still waiting for my "Back to the Future" hoverboard. Its 2020 I'm going to work in something with wheels, a gearbox, and a steering wheel. Come on eccentric scientists, pull the finger out. I'm beginning to wonder if those 1960s Sci-Fi movies that predicted we'd all be wearing silver suits, flying to work, eating a small pill for dinner instead of a plateful of food were a tad wide of the mark...
Fun fact: those hoverboards actually were invented. Problem is, they are INCREDIBLY unsafe and can only be used in the right conditions (not surprisingly), so that's why they never made it to market. The science behind them is totally real though.
Isn't that just a small Vertibird?
The Enclave wants to know your location.
And now here we are in 2020 and we STILL don't have our single-person plane-copters.
"This is a very sexy project"
There is no way this thing will operate for an hour on 2.5 litres of fuel.
Jenny was watching this at home saying "I'm out" at the T.V.
YAWN
@@zammo1036 Jenny?
@The zombie files Glad you felt the need to tell me...
In an alternate universe the dragons invest in this and we have flying cars by 2015.
The hardest part of something like this going mainstream is the mountain of legislation needed to pass in order to secure proper air highways
No, the hardest thing about something like this going mainstream is the laws of physics.
I don’t see why it was such a problem for the dragons that he didn’t want to tell his secret on national television
In engine silent mode (off mode) this design only leaks 2.5ltr per hour and if attached to a projectile capable of speeds no greater than 183mph, will not disintegrate.
This kind of aircraft is actually an emerging part of the Aerospace industry now. It's called Urban Air Mobility (UAM)
Sure, but it's for AUTOMATED flights ONLY. You won't be able to pilot one.
August 2024 still haven't seen or heard any of these in the air.
Could've brought a video of the prototype with a man flying it
Not only is it completely silent… it’s also invisible… ☝️🤨
When she's on top: 0:40
...of your face
Artesian with blue waffles lol😛
wish they would tell people this is from 2003
Can you image air traffic control having to deal with this small airplanes too?
“Why should I invest?”
- Me no sayyyyyy.
...
“I’m out”
(In chorus).
I thought it was just a drone toy introduced 50 years ago
Narrator: Simon moves his left leg forward and then his right, in such a way that he’s in a walking motion
The narrator is always saying the person that is pitching is already struggling I don't think so all the time. I feel it's because their out of breath coming up the stairs carrying their product.
Wow this is just amazing watching this old footage, here we are now all flying around in these just like they predicted in the video. Gives you goosebumps
The one on display was for the parachute, umbrella and briefcase.
Why did this dude not have a video of it working? 🤔 I wonder.
This is actually not a great idea. I mean there are so many barriers. No government is going to let you fly around in this without a pilot license and you would have to talk to whatever country's air traffic control. Plus where do you land it? You can't just park it on the side of a street in a busy city.
I put a deposit down for one. Still haven’t taken delivery.
I think he just saw the GI Joe Skyhawk and thought “That looks like a good idea.” If only he had seen the Cobra Flight Pod.
A pipe dream! We hardly have space to park cars, now we're supposed to park those things?Sixteen years later...i don't see them anywhere!
This guy pretty much invented the drone and didn’t realise it
despise of him being honest or not, a secret about engine is out of question. especially in national television.
The entrepreneur sounds like Gordon Wardell at the press conference where he described the fictional men he claimed kidnapped his wife when in fact he had murdered her.
There actually going to have these in Dubai this year. No joke
i agree with secret regardless of 'patent pending' or not! ! ! Perhaps he should have waited until patent was approved and proto-type available for demonstration live or video.
Those stacks of notes appear to be reams of plain paper and not actual money - understandably
Obviously it never "got off the ground" because I've never seen or heard of one before. Looks quite similar to an autogyro or glider which I've seen loads of.
A drone before drones were even a thing.
75k for that?
it prob failed in the end
The company was dissolved according to companycheck.co.uk
Dissolved in 2007 ,. Company never really took off , nevermind the vehicle .
I wish this had taken off. Would have been cool to see these around. 2020 would have been a whole lot cooler.
It’s that much a secret its because it is for the new James Bond Movie:
‘No time to Fly’ 😂😂
20 years later, not even a prototype
15...
silent? oh gawd. Those things that blow air are incredibly noisy. This whole pitch was fantasy based. And of course, the plane never existed, the company dissolved two years later.
It is all a scam they are all just acting here..they have the technic to make it but they will never allow us to be able to fly around freely,,they hide to much up there.
Why would he share his top secrets on national television and to all the Dragons? I'd only share after they've agreed.
The legal paperwork and testing to allow that thing to fly would cost way more than what they're asking for, never mind all the production costs. This just seems like a scam.
Rachel that's why he's there to get one of the ground
It will be in everyone’s driveway! Really!? That guy must have thought he has literally been the guy to invent the everyday ‘flying car’ and was on his way to becoming the richest man in the world!
Why is Dragons Den youtube site incapable of mentioning the date of production?
Kestrel Aerospace was dissolved in November 2007.
Jenny: Ok I see it goes up, and down and in, and for that reason I'm out.
Had to put the PAV on the shelf when it finally dawned it needed 6 figures to get it into the air for 50secs or so.
Back to the shed at the bottom of the garden that Simon says the location of must be kept secret apart from
the fact it's at the bottom of his garden.
Jenny pops her head from the back window "I'm out"
Back in the vault I see
Is this what evolved into the Drone?
If so....f***** hell. Should've invested in that tech
IF the patent is denied then the secrecy was warranted. Right?
@2:30 we all know how that went
Those stairs plus the awkward camera guy lol
People can't even drive on the ground without being idiots, now we're going to put them in the sky?
This is great, I love it, I can see myself getting well involved in this, it's exciting.... I AM OUT"!!!
Let's be honest, if this guy had the next big thing in aerospace Lockheed Martin would have already made him an offer he could not refuse.