Jeff in NC No, for when you want to shoot through the door of the armoured humvee, through the armour plated deer, through the passenger side door, and then through the garage just for good measure.
It blows my mind that Scott can shoot a BFR one handed. I have a couple hundred rounds through my BFR .500 Magnum and feel like a pro with little muzzle flip on full power loads, but Scott does just as well one handed. I tried shooting one handed a few times and the gun twirls me around 90°. Scott is truly a beast.
"This is the most powerful handgun ever made." *.44 bounces off body armor.* "... Well then, this is the most powerful handgun ever made!" *.500 bounces off armor* "WELL THIS IS EVEN MORE POWERFUL THAN THOSE OTHER MOST POWEFUL HANDGUNS!" *45-70 smacks into vest, launching the criminal through 3 brick walls and 6 sheets of glass. No penetration.* "A man's got to know his limitations"
Its the old addage, “ a ice pick penetrates easier than a bowie knife” is True when it comes to soft armor.... the bigger the frontal area, the more force it takes to push through. Hollow point expansion acts like a parachute in kevlar. The old Ruger Blackhawk 7.5” .30 carbine revolver is a vest penetrating little fool.
I got the ends of my right middle and index fingers crushed by a 2500lb headstone I was putting in , you have no fucking idea how hard it is to wipe left handed.
Little bit of physics, you can always tell right away if a round penetrates the armor by how much the armor reacts. If the armor jumps around, this means there is more energy being distributed through out the armor. If it doesn't move much, then the energy is being carried through and into the body behind it.
Fast and light always does it when it comes to armor. I don’t think they were thinking of such light loads for caliber back in 95 when they rated it for 44 mag. By the way what sick bastard came up with +p 45/70😂.
Was made originally for black powder. The real question should be what sick bastard stuffed it with big boy smokeless boom juice, and just how many elephants do they need to shoot through on their daily route?
45-70 +P is also known as "modern levergun" loads. Buffalo Bore calls them 45-70 Magnum. They are effectively the same as 450 Marlin. Two of Buffalo Bore's three 450 Marlin loads are rated for 25 fps less than their 45-70 Magnum loads with the exact same bullet. The third is rated the same and all the 45-70s are cheaper. There's also an even higher load called "modern rifle." I don't think anyone sells them. They're handload only specs.
Not allways, it depends on many factors like: Bullet density Bullet design And caliber. If you make a bullet whith the basic design and a very light weight for the caliber (lets say a 80gr 9mm) you only would have a gloryfy BB gun. For more questions, go and watch TNoutdoors9
2018 Scott: "I'm going to hold this gun with my left hand JUST IN CASE it blows up." 2021 Scott: "Oh. My 50 Cal blew up in my face? JUST STICK A THUMB IN IT." Going back and rewatching all of these old videos is a lot of fun. You've really come so far over these past few years! Stay awesome, Scott! Kenfolk for life!
This guy is awesome. My favorite. Straight to the point. No corny jokes. No sarcasm just shoot and on to the next. Need to do some rapid fire with them big revolvers I would definitely watch that!!
Body armor and similar technology have come quite a long way. Considering how old those vest panels were they held up extremely well. It would be interesting if you put a "CALL OUT" to your viewers to see if you could get a donation of some of the "clothing armor" that is produced. They are jackets, coats, etc. that are worn as clothing but are actually ballistic protection. There probably aren't many people with that equipment hanging around but it would make for an interesting video. Great job brother !!
Damn. That’s quite impressive! You should get Edwin to come over and pick up all the bullets after you shoot them. He’s a pro at burning his fingers hahaha
I'm glad you made the point that even though many of these rounds were stopped, the person wearing the vest would have felt the impact. So many people think body armor just magically stops the bullet and you keep prancing around.
Been a huge fan of the Magnum BFR since Fallout New Vegas, where it's the main inspiration for the Ranger Sequoia and Hunting Revolvers (latter being the Magnum BFR pretty much exactly), especially with hand-loading and specialty ammo being a thing in that game.
You're not alone on that one- Usually I like .357 Revolver, but the BFR has made me a lover for hi-power handgun cartridges. .357? Alright. .44? Cool- cool. Anything below the .50 Action Express? I'll take some ammo control over OHKO's.
Tks Scott, for a outstanding evaluation of not only the 25yo body armor panels, but the ammo as well. Appreciate y'alls production of these excellent videos. Looking forward to the next ones!
Depends on how you define "chicks" honey bun, with all the wacko jackos running around now a days, even with a 🐘, you can still identify as a chick or some bullshit.
Keep doing videos man! I love em’! I love how you casually shoot multiple high powered rounds out of these revolvers and never complain about recoil or your hand hurting.
I’m rarely being envious. But It’s so good that you Americans can legally possess such wonderful weapons. In Russia civilians aren’t allowed to own short-barreled handguns (pistols, revolvers etc). Anyway happy for you 😊 Thanks, Scott, keep posting your videos 🙂
I shot my grandfather's cooey single shot 12 gauge and it was used on the farm when my father was a kid, rifle rode around in the back of the farm truck totally unprotected got super rusty and beat up, it is # 999 In production lol had not been shot in prolly 40+ years till I did this summer. I had complete faith in it, idk why.
Kentucky Ballistics I was praying it didn't...just in case I'm wearing my 3a vest and someone tries to shoot me with a 500 magnum. It's a good thing most criminals do not buy them. They cant handle the recoil while holding the gun sideways while shooting. Phewww!
The sand bag was an excellent choice for what's behind the armor. When the big penetrater went through, it was a good simulation of blood and other innards coming out the backside.
@@greytallcloud5695 Russian specced steel core WILL penetrate a 3a. I shot my old RBR 3a vest with a Chinese Tokarov and old Bulgarian surplus ammo and it punched RIGHT THROUGH. Modern copper FMJs won't punch through though. An originally specced (1450 fps) FMJ .357 SIG round (125grn) punched through it too. The key seems to be hitting about 1500 fps with a sufficiently hard bullet. But then the NIJ Rating for this level of vest is about 1400 fps.
Great stuff. Very few videos of BFR's running proper power 45/70-450M ammo. My 45/70 BFR loaded to top "modern lever action" level loads easily exceeds the best 500S&W loads by a decent margin.
@@dundonrl Absolute hogwash. .45-70 or .450 Marlin can be loaded pretty much evenly. The sort of penetration power gotten with 420 to 550 gr hard-cast slugs is ridiculous. No .500 S&W with lower sectional density will achieve the same results or the same velocity. The case has lower volume. At 75 to 100 yards the .500 will have lost a LOT more velocity, and energy. ------------------- "In preparing for this hunting, the Beiters conducted extensive penetration tests of Crater bullets, shooting 400 rounds of 450 Marlin into various test mediums. The loads consisted of 550 grain Crater bullets, xx grains of IMR 3031 powder and CCI primers. "First, they shot 8 to 10 inch thick Elm tree trunks at 25 yds and 10 to 14 inch thick Maple tree trunks. The Crater bullets zip thru these tree trunks. Then they placed a quarter inch thick steel plate backed by 48-inch thickness cardboards at 50 yds. After penetrating the steel plate, the Crater traveled 30 to 35 inch of the 48-inch thick cardboards. When the steel plate was removed, the bullet completely penetrated the 48-inch thick cardboard. After listening to the Circle CE Ranch's owner's story about a Missouri hunter who pumped 5 rounds of 7MM mag at a Bison and the animal still traveled 500 yds., the Beiters were happy about their choice of the 550 grain Crater. " ------------------ "" I shot a 2400 pound range bull (livestock) at 47 paces or around 50 yards with a load I worked up with your 420 gainers. The load is xx grs. of Alliant #7 compressed using 210 Fed primer. The load averaged 2097 fps. in 10 shot string, and shot under an inch at 100 yards. The rifle is zeroed at 175 yards shooting 4.2 inches high at 100 yards. The bullet entered the left side of the 2400 pound bull crushing the left and right shoulder joints tearing 3 inch hole though the top of the lungs and exited skipping along its happy way though the S.D prairie. The bull in an instant of impact dropped to the ground, made a slight effort to return to its feet and died. I shot the wet newspaper at 100 yards which was stacked 6 feet thick and got complete penetration." " www.crater4570.com/Hunting_Trophies.html
@@exothermal.sprocket What is the best ft lbs energy you can get out of a 45-70? Unless it's in excess of 4600 ft lbs it's not going to beat a 500 S&W Magnum/500 Auto Max.
@@dundonrl What sort of barrel length and pressure are you dealing with? If we're comparing redline handloads for both, the effectiveness and penetration award still goes to .45-70. Just science. Heavy-for-caliber slugs always go deeper and maintain better BC's and SD's. Energy means nothing if you can't reach vitals, lose 30-50% velocity at 100 yards, or have a hard time finding data for loading stupid pressures. Same thing goes for rifle calibers. High SD's and BC's means better efficiency at anything beyond close range, which means deeper and more effective kills on game. Frankly, slowing a slug down below a certain threshold produces deeper penetration due to lack of friction on impact. www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/.45-70+U.S+Government.html
@@exothermal.sprocket Well the BHA Model 89 will take pressures that would grenade a modern Henry or Marlin firing 45-70 and would put a hurting on a Ruger #1. (Barnes max loads for a 45-70 in a Ruger #1 are only 45000 psi, well above the maximum SAAMI specs for the cartridge.) As far as load data, the 500 S&W Mag and 500 Auto Max are the same cartridge (just rim turned down on Auto Max) and Buffalo Bore is getting 2300 FPS out of their 400 gr bullets from an 18" bbl, which is 4697 ft lbs energy.
Just because the armor stops the bullet does not mean you survive. If you wear a t-shirt and get run over by a truck, the t-shirt will stop the tire from touching your chest. And it won't matter one bit. Body armor is tested with clay torsos so the impact can be measured for depth of compression. Over a certain amount of compression, you die, whether or not the round penetrates.
MrOnyxRaven He used a bag of sand, that was duct taped, as a backstop which is why most of the rounds did not penetrate, of course there is certain rounds capable of penetrating but you can't expect to the same results on a human being, as we are not made out of sand.
The first case of which I’m aware of a policeman being killed on the job, while wearing a vest, was years ago, in Memphis, I believe, when a patrolman was shot at night, with a hot .38. The bullet pushed the soft body armor between the officer’s ribs, causing internal bleeding and a collapse of his lung(s). This was prior to GPS monitoring, and fancy 10-24 buttons. When he stopped responding, they didn’t know exactly where he was. When he was found, he was, regrettably, expired. The vest stopped the bullet, but not the trauma. I keep a hard dyneema plate over my heart that exceeds the rating of the vest, because a 44mm divot on my sternum is unacceptable, but I cannot wear 3 or 4 armor at work, so that’s the best I can do, in the interim. I have a level 4 ready to go if I receive some intel that something is going to occur, but it’s not at all likely. Stay safe out there.
I like the oversized colt SAA look of the BFR. Would be funny to bring one to cowboy action shooting, while everyone else has normal sized SAAs and Ruger replicas.
Rexford L - 50k is still more than the limit for 45-70 lever gun ammo. 45-70 in a BFR loses a whole lot of power, but still kicks harder than a considerably more powerful 500. HSM Bear Loads [chrono] / [advertised] 45-70 BFR 430 gr. 1150 / 1801 fps 1264 / 3098 ft-lb 500 S&W 440 gr. 1477 / 1500 fps 2132 / 2199 ft-lb ua-cam.com/video/8_kXVHNbc5w/v-deo.html
It sure looks like there would be pain with any of the rounds fired with an increase in pain as the caliber got bigger. It's too bad you didn't have a 460. The higher velocity from a 460 probably would have performed better just like the lighter rounds penetrated here over the heavier rounds. Thanks for the video!
It's about frontal area and sectional density. The heavy-for-caliber slicing tip bullets that hold together well are going to go through, so long as velocity is ample.
Thanks Scott....I love seeing guns I own and ones I'd like to own be put to the test. By the way...I was manufactured in 1956 and I still serve my purpose :)
The ejector would stick out past the end of the barrel. The shortest barrels that come on long cylinder BFRs are 7.5" but some people cut them down to 6", even with the ejector.
I was starting to wonder about the extreme penetrator at the beginning. Usually that stuff wrecks soft armor. Thankfully it redeemed itself in the end. Cool video!
Shadowgt I don't know if any completed guns are available, but I know the barrels are available. They use the same bolt and everything else as other LR308 pattern rifles. Only thing is the inside of the pmags need to be filed down slightly to feed the fatter bullets without binding up, but the modification doesn't hurt the use of .308 and it takes a couple minutes according to a UA-cam video I saw on it. Energy-wise it's comparable to the 500 automax (maybe a little less), but the capacity is the same as 308 and it holds its energy longer (spitzer bullets instead of flat points). I'm curious about terminal effect vs a 45-70 or a 500 automax due to different bullet shape per energy levels.
Hot damn! I have to get some of those Underwood Extreme Hunter rounds. If they can outperform all those other rounds out of a pistol, I can only imagine what they could do out of one of my 45-70 rifles. Dude this was another great video... very thorough and entertaining!
That first .44 was a nice punch in the gut. Reminds me of the first time I played soccer as a kid my older neighbors kicked the ball right in my gut. I eneded up on the ground for 10 minutes.
Aim ... fire ... get fire extinguisher ... put out trees ... discard ruined ear defenders ... retrieve revolver from roof ... put on fresh ear defenders ... repeat.
Well even if it stopped almost every of that shoots, i guess noone want experience such a hit in a soft west body amor, the one or another hit can still be deadly, even if it gets stopped.
Thanks for watching! Y'all are the best! 😀
I know. I know. :-)
Kentucky Ballistics that was so boss firing that ridiculous round one handed cool video dude stay safe 💕👌💪🐺🐾💪
Kentucky Ballistics thanks for uploading
Nope, Y’all are the best. Really enjoy your channel.
As always....top shelf mate top shelf..!!👍😃
Extreme penetrator underwood hunter ammo, for when that armor-plated deer just dont want to go down
Can you not get ap ammo in the us?
Lmao
Anony Moose You can. Just not for magnum pistols.
Well first you have to get those armor plated deer down out of their Humvee's...
Jeff in NC No, for when you want to shoot through the door of the armoured humvee, through the armour plated deer, through the passenger side door, and then through the garage just for good measure.
It blows my mind that Scott can shoot a BFR one handed. I have a couple hundred rounds through my BFR .500 Magnum and feel like a pro with little muzzle flip on full power loads, but Scott does just as well one handed. I tried shooting one handed a few times and the gun twirls me around 90°.
Scott is truly a beast.
Scott ain’t no ordinary motherfucker I wanted a 45/70 bfr thinking it’s a scary huge magnum and dude literally one hands the thing
gotta have a big handgun incase creeper sneaks up on you
"This is the most powerful handgun ever made."
*.44 bounces off body armor.*
"... Well then, this is the most powerful handgun ever made!"
*.500 bounces off armor*
"WELL THIS IS EVEN MORE POWERFUL THAN THOSE OTHER MOST POWEFUL HANDGUNS!"
*45-70 smacks into vest, launching the criminal through 3 brick walls and 6 sheets of glass. No penetration.*
"A man's got to know his limitations"
Fa Kenews “they made it for him special, it’s an 88 magnum,”
“It shoots through schools”
Surago Good thing our schools are a gun free zone so bad guys know not to shoot at them!
Checkmate
Haha!
Its the old addage, “ a ice pick penetrates easier than a bowie knife” is
True when it comes to soft armor.... the bigger the frontal area, the more force it takes to push through. Hollow point expansion acts like a parachute in kevlar.
The old Ruger Blackhawk 7.5” .30 carbine revolver is a vest penetrating little fool.
Judson Joist I have seen photos of the raging 30, but I have never seen one even at big gun shows.
The reason why it wasn't rated for the 500 magnum in 1995 is because the 500 magnum was made in 2003
A wise man never risks losing his wiping hand.
Those love muffins are so adorable
That's very true
I got the ends of my right middle and index fingers crushed by a 2500lb headstone I was putting in , you have no fucking idea how hard it is to wipe left handed.
A true man is ambidextrous!!! 😁😁😁👆☝️👆☝️👇🤘 This last one was for the women that might read this comment.
or his jerk off hand lol
"back in 1995" makes me feel old
Little bit of physics, you can always tell right away if a round penetrates the armor by how much the armor reacts. If the armor jumps around, this means there is more energy being distributed through out the armor. If it doesn't move much, then the energy is being carried through and into the body behind it.
with this light armor made only with fibers it's impressive
Fast and light always does it when it comes to armor. I don’t think they were thinking of such light loads for caliber back in 95 when they rated it for 44 mag. By the way what sick bastard came up with +p 45/70😂.
Was made originally for black powder.
The real question should be what sick bastard stuffed it with big boy smokeless boom juice, and just how many elephants do they need to shoot through on their daily route?
45-70 +P is also known as "modern levergun" loads. Buffalo Bore calls them 45-70 Magnum. They are effectively the same as 450 Marlin. Two of Buffalo Bore's three 450 Marlin loads are rated for 25 fps less than their 45-70 Magnum loads with the exact same bullet. The third is rated the same and all the 45-70s are cheaper.
There's also an even higher load called "modern rifle." I don't think anyone sells them. They're handload only specs.
whats wrong with +p 45/70?
*"BTW; What sick bastard came up with +p 45/70"
Not allways, it depends on many factors like:
Bullet density
Bullet design
And caliber.
If you make a bullet whith the basic design and a very light weight for the caliber (lets say a 80gr 9mm) you only would have a gloryfy BB gun.
For more questions, go and watch TNoutdoors9
Hey my vest is alright but why are my ribs leaking out of my chest
True, it might stop the round, but the wearer would be knocked on his ass.
That's not good bro
@@s4rg380 he need to get his rib check
So your ballistic vest can stop the round. 🤷🏽♂️
Can your chest stop the vest? 🤔
No
Yas but he will die
So, try ten feet and put a watermelon behind the armor. So we can see the damage from the force of impact.
Tis the longest 4 inch barrel I've ever seen
Fa Kenews what the?! Wife said something similar a minute ago. Wasn’t even watching the video
Surago
Forever alone :(
@phục êwê fkn idiot, he wrote 6" on the screen
That's what she said.
2018 Scott: "I'm going to hold this gun with my left hand JUST IN CASE it blows up."
2021 Scott: "Oh. My 50 Cal blew up in my face? JUST STICK A THUMB IN IT."
Going back and rewatching all of these old videos is a lot of fun. You've really come so far over these past few years! Stay awesome, Scott! Kenfolk for life!
The 45-70 +p went through both vests AND the sandbag. 13:19
This guy is awesome. My favorite. Straight to the point. No corny jokes. No sarcasm just shoot and on to the next. Need to do some rapid fire with them big revolvers I would definitely watch that!!
Body armor and similar technology have come quite a long way. Considering how old those vest panels were they held up extremely well. It would be interesting if you put a "CALL OUT" to your viewers to see if you could get a donation of some of the "clothing armor" that is produced. They are jackets, coats, etc. that are worn as clothing but are actually ballistic protection. There probably aren't many people with that equipment hanging around but it would make for an interesting video. Great job brother !!
Darn good soft armor!
AMEN to that
Ur the Billy mase if the gun world..." but wait there's more" lol
Haha!
You're thinking of the Showtime Knife Series guy, Ron Popiel!
Needs to try the OxyClean 45-70 +P
You may not have a bullet hole but I'm pretty sure the force of the impact in your chest area would kill you just the same.
Yep. When the slugs knock sand out the BACK of the bag, and it wrapped with Duct Tape, your a DMF....
Damn. That’s quite impressive! You should get Edwin to come over and pick up all the bullets after you shoot them. He’s a pro at burning his fingers hahaha
Lol!
Underwood sure packs a real punch
I'm glad you made the point that even though many of these rounds were stopped, the person wearing the vest would have felt the impact. So many people think body armor just magically stops the bullet and you keep prancing around.
I think that last round would take out a T-Rex!
@Will Kelly So, unleash the Finnish anti-tank ski troopers on them? Sounds like a plan to me...
That last round would take out an angry bulldozer.
A
Tactical T-Rex
Always liked those Redhawks
Lusting after one in 454 Casull with 9 inch barrel
@@stefanodogg280 hard to go wrong with that one.
World Traveler东北 Perfect back up for Alaska
@@stefanodogg280 alaska? I think for alaska i would take out a 50. Barret because of bears XD
Love my Super Redhawk 44 mag!!!
Been a huge fan of the Magnum BFR since Fallout New Vegas, where it's the main inspiration for the Ranger Sequoia and Hunting Revolvers (latter being the Magnum BFR pretty much exactly), especially with hand-loading and specialty ammo being a thing in that game.
You're not alone on that one- Usually I like .357 Revolver, but the BFR has made me a lover for hi-power handgun cartridges. .357? Alright. .44? Cool- cool. Anything below the .50 Action Express? I'll take some ammo control over OHKO's.
If that’s what 4” should look like, I will cry!
Scott is a monster!!! Makes shooting those BFR’s look like a .22 and BFR stands for .....well you know
Big Friendly Revolver
Big frame revolver
Best Friend Revolver.
Buster Forgets Rules
Biggest finest revolver.
Tks Scott, for a outstanding evaluation of not only the 25yo body armor panels, but the ammo as well.
Appreciate y'alls production of these excellent videos. Looking forward to the next ones!
With those guns if you still need a weapon after you run out of ammo you still got a nice club in your hand.
When it came out of the back of the sand bag I giggled like a school girl
This guy - "It didn't make it through"
Ballistic vest - "Yeah, actually it did"
I'm just here for the .45-70 chicks. *looks around* Damn. Sausage party again...
Haha!
Depends on how you define "chicks" honey bun, with all the wacko jackos running around now a days, even with a 🐘, you can still identify as a chick or some bullshit.
Nice
This video answered all my questions perfectly, thank you.
10:05 "it definitely stopped it" probably would also stop your heart
45-70, my favorite round. You can hand load it to do just about anything
18-22" barrel lever action really gets it moving.
Pure copper 13:24
The 45-70 is to ammo what the 1911 is to pistols... Absolutely timeless and just as good now as the day it was first used.
If the vest goes flying it stops the bullet.
Your granddads revolver looks loved
Keep doing videos man! I love em’! I love how you casually shoot multiple high powered rounds out of these revolvers and never complain about recoil or your hand hurting.
Lol I’m used to it . Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed it!
I’m rarely being envious.
But It’s so good that you Americans can legally possess such wonderful weapons.
In Russia civilians aren’t allowed to own short-barreled handguns (pistols, revolvers etc).
Anyway happy for you 😊
Thanks, Scott, keep posting your videos 🙂
4:38 *Nothing a little bit of duct tape can't fix!*
Put a thumb in it
My dad had that same Taurus .357 with 6" bbl and Super Redhawk 44 with 9.5 bbl, they're the pistols I learned with. Awesome guns.
Those long barrel revolvers reminds me of Yosemite Sam from Bugs Bunny
I shot my grandfather's cooey single shot 12 gauge and it was used on the farm when my father was a kid, rifle rode around in the back of the farm truck totally unprotected got super rusty and beat up, it is # 999 In production lol had not been shot in prolly 40+ years till I did this summer. I had complete faith in it, idk why.
Damn ! I was praying for that 500 S&W to get through 🤣
It did one time 😁
Kentucky Ballistics I was praying it didn't...just in case I'm wearing my 3a vest and someone tries to shoot me with a 500 magnum. It's a good thing most criminals do not buy them. They cant handle the recoil while holding the gun sideways while shooting. Phewww!
Criminals would pistol-whip their own faces with a .500.
That 45-70 +p blasting through 2 vests and a sandbag was awesome!
All them broken tenderized ribs.. A1 STEAK SAUCE anyone?
The sand bag was an excellent choice for what's behind the armor. When the big penetrater went through, it was a good simulation of blood and other innards coming out the backside.
Hi Scott. Very good video. Lot's of variety in the ammo. Reminds me not to get shot with anything. lol Keep up the quality videos.
That was real neat specially how that 45-70 blasted through both of them
Little bitty 7.62x25 will fly right though it.
That's a myth. Not that armor. Some older less rated vests from 70s it did.
@@greytallcloud5695 Russian specced steel core WILL penetrate a 3a. I shot my old RBR 3a vest with a Chinese Tokarov and old Bulgarian surplus ammo and it punched RIGHT THROUGH. Modern copper FMJs won't punch through though. An originally specced (1450 fps) FMJ .357 SIG round (125grn) punched through it too. The key seems to be hitting about 1500 fps with a sufficiently hard bullet.
But then the NIJ Rating for this level of vest is about 1400 fps.
Scott's "I hope this doesn't blow up in my hand." at 1:27 hits different in 2022...
_"Today, on 'Mercia Hand Artillery..."_
*[Second Chance Body Armor has left the Chat]*
My jaw dropped when I saw the .45-70 go clean through it almost like there's nothing there. Wow.
Great stuff. Very few videos of BFR's running proper power 45/70-450M ammo. My 45/70 BFR loaded to top "modern lever action" level loads easily exceeds the best 500S&W loads by a decent margin.
Yet in a rifle, the 500 S&W Mag beats the best 45-70..
@@dundonrl Absolute hogwash.
.45-70 or .450 Marlin can be loaded pretty much evenly. The sort of penetration power gotten with 420 to 550 gr hard-cast slugs is ridiculous.
No .500 S&W with lower sectional density will achieve the same results or the same velocity. The case has lower volume. At 75 to 100 yards the .500 will have lost a LOT more velocity, and energy.
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"In preparing for this hunting, the Beiters conducted extensive penetration tests of Crater bullets, shooting 400 rounds of 450 Marlin into various test mediums. The loads consisted of 550 grain Crater bullets, xx grains of IMR 3031 powder and CCI primers.
"First, they shot 8 to 10 inch thick Elm tree trunks at 25 yds and 10 to 14 inch thick Maple tree trunks. The Crater bullets zip thru these tree trunks. Then they placed a quarter inch thick steel plate backed by 48-inch thickness cardboards at 50 yds. After penetrating the steel plate, the Crater traveled 30 to 35 inch of the 48-inch thick cardboards. When the steel plate was removed, the bullet completely penetrated the 48-inch thick cardboard. After listening to the Circle CE Ranch's owner's story about a Missouri hunter who pumped 5 rounds of 7MM mag at a Bison and the animal still traveled 500 yds., the Beiters were happy about their choice of the 550 grain Crater. "
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"" I shot a 2400 pound range bull (livestock) at 47 paces or around 50 yards with a load I worked up with your 420 gainers. The load is xx grs. of Alliant #7 compressed using 210 Fed primer. The load averaged 2097 fps. in 10 shot string, and shot under an inch at 100 yards. The rifle is zeroed at 175 yards shooting 4.2 inches high at 100 yards. The bullet entered the left side of the 2400 pound bull crushing the left and right shoulder joints tearing 3 inch hole though the top of the lungs and exited skipping along its happy way though the S.D prairie. The bull in an instant of impact dropped to the ground, made a slight effort to return to its feet and died. I shot the wet newspaper at 100 yards which was stacked 6 feet thick and got complete penetration." "
www.crater4570.com/Hunting_Trophies.html
@@exothermal.sprocket What is the best ft lbs energy you can get out of a 45-70? Unless it's in excess of 4600 ft lbs it's not going to beat a 500 S&W Magnum/500 Auto Max.
@@dundonrl What sort of barrel length and pressure are you dealing with? If we're comparing redline handloads for both, the effectiveness and penetration award still goes to .45-70. Just science. Heavy-for-caliber slugs always go deeper and maintain better BC's and SD's. Energy means nothing if you can't reach vitals, lose 30-50% velocity at 100 yards, or have a hard time finding data for loading stupid pressures.
Same thing goes for rifle calibers. High SD's and BC's means better efficiency at anything beyond close range, which means deeper and more effective kills on game. Frankly, slowing a slug down below a certain threshold produces deeper penetration due to lack of friction on impact.
www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/.45-70+U.S+Government.html
@@exothermal.sprocket Well the BHA Model 89 will take pressures that would grenade a modern Henry or Marlin firing 45-70 and would put a hurting on a Ruger #1. (Barnes max loads for a 45-70 in a Ruger #1 are only 45000 psi, well above the maximum SAAMI specs for the cartridge.) As far as load data, the 500 S&W Mag and 500 Auto Max are the same cartridge (just rim turned down on Auto Max) and Buffalo Bore is getting 2300 FPS out of their 400 gr bullets from an 18" bbl, which is 4697 ft lbs energy.
Good lord that 45/70 extreme hunter is insane. Awesome video thanks
I kind of wonder if those would still kill you just from sheer energy transfer
I just love .45-70, it absolutely boogies out of a lever gun
Damnit man, 45-70 goes through both panels + sandbag + neighbor's house. No way in hell I would shoot that one handed, hats off to you brother. 🤘🇺🇸
I'm only 19 and about 150 pounds and I shot the 4570 revolver. Flew right out of my hands
AMAZING body armour, and so light
Just because the armor stops the bullet does not mean you survive. If you wear a t-shirt and get run over by a truck, the t-shirt will stop the tire from touching your chest. And it won't matter one bit. Body armor is tested with clay torsos so the impact can be measured for depth of compression. Over a certain amount of compression, you die, whether or not the round penetrates.
MrOnyxRaven
He used a bag of sand, that was duct taped, as a backstop which is why most of the rounds did not penetrate, of course there is certain rounds capable of penetrating but you can't expect to the same results on a human being, as we are not made out of sand.
The first case of which I’m aware of a policeman being killed on the job, while wearing a vest, was years ago, in Memphis, I believe, when a patrolman was shot at night, with a hot .38. The bullet pushed the soft body armor between the officer’s ribs, causing internal bleeding and a collapse of his lung(s). This was prior to GPS monitoring, and fancy 10-24 buttons. When he stopped responding, they didn’t know exactly where he was. When he was found, he was, regrettably, expired. The vest stopped the bullet, but not the trauma.
I keep a hard dyneema plate over my heart that exceeds the rating of the vest, because a 44mm divot on my sternum is unacceptable, but I cannot wear 3 or 4 armor at work, so that’s the best I can do, in the interim. I have a level 4 ready to go if I receive some intel that something is going to occur, but it’s not at all likely.
Stay safe out there.
That 325gr .45-70+P Extreme Hunter from Underwood drilled through both panels and the sand bag and took a ton of sand with it. Wow!
It was awesome!
Great video as always!
Love the different ammo choices, made the video more fun.
Fantastic as always BFR certainly has more power but the 500 looks so much better
I like the oversized colt SAA look of the BFR.
Would be funny to bring one to cowboy action shooting, while everyone else has normal sized SAAs and Ruger replicas.
Fa Kenews right on
The BFR is more powerful than most 500 S&W Magnum loads but not all of them.
@@Bob5mith I've yet to see a factory 500 S&W loaded to the SAAMI maximum pressure of 60k psi, they stop at 50k for some reason.
Rexford L - 50k is still more than the limit for 45-70 lever gun ammo. 45-70 in a BFR loses a whole lot of power, but still kicks harder than a considerably more powerful 500.
HSM Bear Loads
[chrono] / [advertised]
45-70 BFR 430 gr.
1150 / 1801 fps
1264 / 3098 ft-lb
500 S&W 440 gr.
1477 / 1500 fps
2132 / 2199 ft-lb
ua-cam.com/video/8_kXVHNbc5w/v-deo.html
may your grandfather rest in peace, scott
I wonder if you can get your hands on some .577 old timey revolvers and do some tests with them.
It's always fun to watch your old videos!
You'r so calm 😂👍
It sure looks like there would be pain with any of the rounds fired with an increase in pain as the caliber got bigger. It's too bad you didn't have a 460. The higher velocity from a 460 probably would have performed better just like the lighter rounds penetrated here over the heavier rounds. Thanks for the video!
1:34 Now THAT's love for a fucking firearm!
45-70 HAND GUN ARE YOU KIDDING ME WHO NEEDS A S&W 500 THEN???????
No one lol
the reason I did my comment was because I have a BFR 45-70 10" barrel on law a way to go hunting with this year and many to come
@@REBELDAWG308 no
That's fucking awesome! Same gun different grain measurements and with differing affects. I'm fucking impressed! Very nice!
Try some of 454 casul and 460 magnum... they are beasts
Neither are as powerful as the 500 magnum
justin M no shit
454 will go through before 460 will.
@@justinmartinez680 actually the key to beating body Armour is speed, and the .460 has the highest velocity of any production revolver
It's about frontal area and sectional density. The heavy-for-caliber slicing tip bullets that hold together well are going to go through, so long as velocity is ample.
Thanks Scott....I love seeing guns I own and ones I'd like to own be put to the test. By the way...I was manufactured in 1956 and I still serve my purpose :)
I’m glad you enjoy the content!
What about the .22 Magnum
Those have a knack for penning things it shouldn't
Watching this 5 years later Scott was so much younger and mellow.
Do they make a snub version of BFR?
I'm unsatasfied with the current placement of my shoulder.
The ejector would stick out past the end of the barrel. The shortest barrels that come on long cylinder BFRs are 7.5" but some people cut them down to 6", even with the ejector.
Lol
3" .460?
So basically 30% of the powder burns while the bullet is still in the barrel, the other 70% of the powder starts a thermonuclear storm?
@@exothermal.sprocket Thermobaric Munitions are all the rage right now.
@@swaghauler8334 combines fat round with dragon's breath.
That was awesome test, all the way from 357 to 4570 great video thanks bro nice guns too nice collection.
Great video
Thanks!
I was starting to wonder about the extreme penetrator at the beginning. Usually that stuff wrecks soft armor. Thankfully it redeemed itself in the end. Cool video!
Thank you!
Scott, you should get into the 375 Raptor in an AR 308 platform. I'd love to see what you can do with it.
ravissary79 that would be awesome. Who makes an AR in that caliber
Shadowgt I don't know if any completed guns are available, but I know the barrels are available. They use the same bolt and everything else as other LR308 pattern rifles. Only thing is the inside of the pmags need to be filed down slightly to feed the fatter bullets without binding up, but the modification doesn't hurt the use of .308 and it takes a couple minutes according to a UA-cam video I saw on it.
Energy-wise it's comparable to the 500 automax (maybe a little less), but the capacity is the same as 308 and it holds its energy longer (spitzer bullets instead of flat points).
I'm curious about terminal effect vs a 45-70 or a 500 automax due to different bullet shape per energy levels.
Shadowgt update: best I could find:
www.omegarifles.com/rifle/375_upper
For everything else:
www.375raptor.com/375RAPTOR/resources/
45 Raptor too
Hot damn! I have to get some of those Underwood Extreme Hunter rounds. If they can outperform all those other rounds out of a pistol, I can only imagine what they could do out of one of my 45-70 rifles. Dude this was another great video... very thorough and entertaining!
Slow down Rambo, slow dawn.
That first .44 was a nice punch in the gut. Reminds me of the first time I played soccer as a kid my older neighbors kicked the ball right in my gut. I eneded up on the ground for 10 minutes.
Try some short barrel snub - nose revolvers, like the Ruger Alaskan .454 casull.
Aim ... fire ... get fire extinguisher ... put out trees ... discard ruined ear defenders ... retrieve revolver from roof ... put on fresh ear defenders ... repeat.
Yeah the barrel length really defeats the cartridge. The Alaskan is about packability.
Pretty impressive on the first two rounds of that antique body armor
Well even if it stopped almost every of that shoots, i guess noone want experience such a hit in a soft west body amor, the one or another hit can still be deadly, even if it gets stopped.
Don't know why but I love those big bore hand cannons.
8:42 say that in a livestream next time where you can't just "forget to upload that part" if it proves you wrong ;)
PURE AWESOMENESS!!!
Can I take a 44 magnum to and airsoftbattle
Chrono would say no
Dam it man... that knock down power is flat out crazy.
My 45-70 RIFLE hurts with 325 +p your hand must be on fire
Nah he is holding that gun just right
Hell not only did it go through both panels but it went clean through the bag of sand too!!
First
You need to look at the slow mo it even went to the sandbag I'm impressed
That armor is a legend. Respect.
Awesome video! That 45-70 is a beast!
wow . crazy to see what a vest will stop