At Costco if you are a member they sell you the whole bundle (surface pro 6, pen, and keyboard) for $800. Mine was he i5 model with 8gb ram. Happy with it so far!
PEN JITTER TIP: Disable "Press and Hold" function under the stylus settings. Be amazed at the reduction in jitter. Literally life changing. You're welcome.
@@dderrkii Once you get it, look for a button in the start menu that says "SURFACE" where you configure settings unique to the Surface. Click on the stylus icon to the left, then the SETTINGS APP link. Then go down to the drop down menue for PRESS AND HOLD and select "Nothing". Also, if you type "Calibrate" in Cortana, you can find the tool to calibrate your pen and touch input to feel more natural and accurate.
From a college student perspective, this surface has been amazing so far. I use onenote for my notes and the writing feels like i'm writing on paper (especially when i added a cheap matte screen protector). I can have 2 onenote windows up at the same time to write notes and check the teacher's slides while having another window for google in case I'm still confused with the lecture. The writing is smooth and quick while switching from hand touch to pen a breeze. I sound like an ad but damn, i'm glad I picked it over a regular laptop. Hopefully they'll have noteability for windows soon.
Mia Can you tell me what screen protector you're using? I own a Surface Pro 6 base model without the keyboard (using my old apple wireless bluetooth keyboard) and I recently watched JerryRickEverything's video about the durability of the device. I got pretty worried about the fractures that occurred on his surface. I use my surface a lot for drawing and wonder whether your 'cheap matte screen protector' is okay with the surface pen in terms of recognition and pressure sensitivity. Thank you in advance.
Nikolas Apple I am using “Mr Shield for Microsoft Surface Pro 4 Anti-Glare [Matte] Screen Protector [3-Pack] with Lifetime Replacement” www.amazon.com/dp/B0169SB4MY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_iirXCbFQY6KKV from Amazon. It feels like writing on paper with the pen and when you use touch, it feels smoother. After a lot of months of bringing it to school... no scratches yet :)
Same here, I've been using surface tablet for awhile and I love writing on it and the biggest thing I love is the insert feature, which allows me to cut and paste pictures from my screen and put them in my notes. I can have that graph that's in my ebook in my notes with no problems
I have been thinking about getting a surface 6 since I could use it as a full Windows laptop and as a tablet for writing notes in class. Only bad thing is that the keyboard and pen come seperate...
The crappy pen performance kills it for me, and is the #1 reason I got an iPad instead of a Surface. Sucks, because the only thing the iPad is good for is drawing and painting, and a Surface would be far more versatile. Classic Microsoft of making something that it just good enough instead of excellent, and classic Apple of making something that is really great for one thing, but limiting it so you have to buy another Apple product that does something else.
If it helps, I have used the surface book 2 i5 and and i7 with performance base and the difference in response between the two is way more than I would have expected. Not sure if it's the same for the surface pro, but it was enough to put me off any i5 based computer going forward.
@@DoctorMikeWilson Thanks for the info, but the bad pen performance kills it for me anyhow. I would not get a Surface, just based on that, because my only use for a tablet is drawing and painting. I am hoping the Google Slate has great pen performance, as it is far, far more useful than an iPad. If not, I will wind up getting a 12.9" iPad Pro in the spring.
Carol - there should be a major refresh to the Surface Pro this coming Spring/Summer. I would sit tight for that if you can. The 6 was a minor refresh.
@@nadeemshaikh7863 Nope, it's pure crap for drawing, apparently. It seems to be like the mirror image of the iPad: horrible for anything that needs a pen, and great for anything that needs a good keyboard and trackpad and a real browser. Apple isn't going to add that to the iPad, they want people to buy an iPad *and* a MacBook, and Google doesn't care enough about people who do art or design to be bothered improving the pen experience on the Slate. I likely will buy an iPad Pro 12.9 and do essentially what I do now, only use the iPad for drawing and painting, and use my Chromebook or desktop for everything else. I don't even like the iPad for media consumption, though the Pro might be better.
It has been rumored that at the time Wacom wouldn't allow them to put it on a tablet over 10 inches. In order, to keep them from cannabilizing Wacom's tablet market.
I love this machine. Yeah, there's definitely a drop off (pen wise - from my Cinitiq Pro 24) but, it's not like I can carry my work station around. Granted the Apple pencil is better but, the rest of the Surface Pro is better. And as stated, the Pro can run "everything" and it's seemless with my workstation. You can't continue or start something on the go if using Painter, Illustrator or PS as examples, with your ipad. Plus... so nice to be out of the Apple ecosystem... another topic but, too wonderful not to mention!
You've clearly never owned an ipad to make a comment like that. Ipad has great PSD support so why you need photoshop? There's procreate, sketchbook, clip studio, paintstom, affintiy photo, infinite painter, etc the list goes on for the number of apps that can use PSD files. Not to mention who wants photoshop or illustrator on an ipad anyways when you'll sit there and pay a crap ton of money to due its subscription pricing? You could just buy affinity photo and designer which comes with 90% of everything photoshop and illustrator does, only its a one time price/buy. There is a reason why you see a lot of artists use an ipad for their mobile devices and just about none of them use a surface pro, despite both being in the same price range and the surface pro running "everything". Its all about good drawing software and experience, an area where the ipad crushes the surface.
Same old story. For serious drawing, doesn’t work. Beautiful design, but for Microsoft jobs & people. One more thing. You’re sense of humor and your quick speech (and clear) makes your channel the best. As always, thank you very much.
It does work... its not wacom level but I myself do great artwork wit a surfce pro 4 and the surface pen.. He never said it wasnt capable of doing it. Its actually the othwr way arround since you can use photoshop and it allows you to do everything. Its just not the best BUT THEN AGAIN NEITHER IS THE APPLE PENCIL
I totally agree with you. In addition, if someone is looking for a serious upgrade, this device should do the job. However, it is still an amazing machine. On the other hand, I deeply believe that Microsoft will go for a change next year, 2020 will be too late. But who knows...if they want to keep "pc-windows-office" type concept, the ups will be for good, but not good enough for all serious illustrators.
Idk, I've been using a surface pro3 i5 for years now for "serious work" (as in actual concept art, illustration and now product design) and id rather use my sp3 than my wacom cintiq 13hd. I wouldn't spread the misinformation that the surface line is not good enough for pros, because it is. At least for 2d work, the issue arises with heavy 3d work but it wasn't designed for this anyway.
@@user-ff2mu4fh4v Actually, "misinformation" is a word writtent too imprudently here. For sure, milions of people do their professional work thanks to Surface Pro or even Go machines. However, the review showed clearly that the bar is not enough higher to cover more specific needs. And this will be visible when Ipad Pro comes at the end of this month with the promise for full Photoshop experience and not only that. Anyway even this Ipad Pro wont cover all specific needs. But, for sure, could go beyond the Surface line at this stage. If Apple is going to do that, I hope in 2019 we all meet the real face of Surface Pro- the better choice for most of the people. P., there is no "the perfect device". Peace. I have a flight to catch.
"For serious drawing, doesn’t work." I disagree. As some have mentioned, they've used it for serious creative work. I also know a guy who does illustration and animation with his surface pro. That's photoshop and flash/animate. It's pretty neat. An i7 with 8gb+ ram should suffice. I'm sure that most professionals use this as a daily laptop/tablet because of how portable it is, but it doesn't mean that they don't also have a different or even a better computer in their home.
the latency you're seeing in the drawing apps could be from line smoothing, it sets back your lines as to remove most unwanted bumps. some apps can disable this or add more if you want ultra smooth lines.
During all this time, you can master and polish your skills. Also, you will see are there any serious flows in this device and also you will see how the strong competition on that field will give you more options (maybe a better device from another company) or a better one from Microsoft with a better price-tag. So, I am sure that you will find the best choice for you just because you have the time to find the best one. Cheer up!
They need to update that pen technology to catch up to apple and wacom. Regarding the tablet design, I know it’s great but I hope they’re not thinking that they created the perfect design cuz there’s still room for improvement, at least I have some weird shit in mind.
Update what?. Why do you all have to lie that ipad pen beats surface pen? Do you even know how many pressure the iPad pen has? That ipad pen was horrible cause it lacked simple eraser. It rolled off the table each time it wasn't in use and the latency doesn't quite beat the surface pro. Don't give me that bullshit that the ipad pro feel more natural cause that has been proven to be a lie so many times.
I bought the Surface Pro (2017) last year, and to this day it's still the best purchase I've ever made. I am so happy with it that it will take a little more than a tech bump for me to upgrade, but I'm excited to see what they come out with next year.
Hey, I think its great. Choice is awesome and this device will let people, who don't want an iPad, not be forced to get one. iPads aren't for everyone and if you don't want to compromise your experience with windows, you should't have to. Great review Brad.
for anyone having surface and wants to enjoy drawing, don't even think about photoshop, it is slow with terrible stabilizer and intense wobbly-jitter lines and also bad brushes. I Highly recommend "Krita" it works pretty smooth, brushes are amazing specially the pencil brushes, and you have multiple stabilizer options, the feeling is unlike any other app i tried. if you went to store to just test surface pen and they don't have krita just use windows sketchpad it is a lot better than photoshop.
I hope they realise how many potential customers are out there who just wait for that stupid jitter to go away. --- Update: To be fair, after I made that comment I have used the new Surface Pro 6, and the jitter isn't as a big of a problem as I thought so. The reason is that in practice you never draw that slow
Thanks Mr. Brad for your honest review My daughter is an artiest an she is asking me to get an iPad pro but when I asked around someone recommended the Microsoft Surface to me since he's using it himself. I felt bad that I might get her the Surface since it's cheaper and within my budget and that always means it's not as good as the iPad Pro. But now after watching you review I feel this might be a good start for her and the Surface is not inferior at all and on top of that it's a full PC.
you should really try affinity photo instead of photoshop or do acomparison vid. was blown away by how much faster affinity (at least on my laptop) runs. as well as soe awesome added features adobe doesnt have. great vid as always, keep it up!
The production quality of your videos has gone through the roof. You seem far more relaxed and natural on camera too. Your call to action on the affiliate link is perfect. Mid video animations and jokes are perfectly timed. I have started to watch these videos now just because of o entertainment value. Great Job.
That's awesome, thanks! Over the summer I started dedicating another full day a week to making each video, so glad that time is showing up on the quality side of things :)
Hope it helps to save your money, folks! It will cost you a new one display for get a new battery, because surface pro line (from pro 3 model) is totally solid and the only way to get inside of it - is to kill your LCD - it's glued everywhere! Totally non-repairable device. I've sold my old one pro 2017 because of this (the battery get degraded from daily usage, and there was no hope to easy replace of it). Looking for Dell's latitude 2 in 1 series now because of this reason (it's much more easier to service).
I use most adobe softwares, blender 3D. I love illustrating, but I always improvise. However, this is perfect for a student who is studying Graphic Design/Visual Communication.
my problem is with the digital pen, since after a while the tip wears out and they gave me it without a spare tip so I think the tip could wear to the point that it starts to scratch the screen and it would be a big problem Because Since the pen and tablet are quite expensive, it was a miracle that I had a chance to get it. (sorry if it's very poorly written, I don't speak English)
I simply don't understand the jitter claim. I do concept art for a living and I used Wacom for about 12 years, switched to Surface Book and don't experience it.
@@Lurreable Sounds like an edge case if I have to experience it by setting up a scenario that isn't part of a normal flow to make it happen. I understand the concern, but even from using Wacom every day for 12 years, it wasn't something even noticeable when making the switch.
Lucky you! The stylus isn't horrible, but I could never get used to the noticeable lag and jitter. Now, after switching to the iPad, Microsoft would have to completely overhaul their pen for me to go back. Shame, I loved the SP otherwise :(
@@Beanie84 Funny, as someone with Apple products for YEARS, I feel exactly the opposite. iPad is a toy or companion, MacBooks are great but stale; most importantly my flow was seriously simplified on the Surface (Book).
Yea, the iPad isn't a complete computer replacement as ads claim, but as a companion drawing device for personal art and commissions, it does the job perfectly for me. More resource heavy work is better suited for actual computers.
You're the best! Thank you for the honest review and artist perspective AND comparing this to Apple and Wacom. Everything I wanted to get out of this review!!!
I have this laptop and use it with Photoshop all the time. I didn't get any wobbly lines?? Honestly not sure why he did cause my lines end up beautifully smooth
Nackle Putackle its the way you draw; if you draw with your wrist like this guy, youre more likely to end up with feathered or wobbly lines, but if you draw with your arm, the your lines are a lot smoother
Congrats for your 100k! Following you since the mobile studio pro video (watching and daydreaming I could afford it) You are doing amazing job. You totally deserved!
I love the funny animations and humour in the video! It adds a nice harmless flare (harmless jokes between Apple and Microsoft). I love it along with your well thought out review.
Can you or someone else explain to me how the Apple is better cause I'm starting to get the feeling people just like saying "Apple pen is better" .................?! I have used both and i the surface pen beats in my own opinion. Oh and surface pen has an eraser.
Was looking for the answer aswell. Since no one answerd, i guess it just comes down to "apple sheeps" saying, that the apple stuff is better than everthing else. Since Apple-stuff is usually good and the convinience (apple eco system) is much higher than on other devices, who tend to do their own stuff and don't fully commit on the things they are doing. In my opinion Apple puts much thought into they products, and how to scam the customer afterwards (dongle life), while other are more like "we copy there and ignore that, while we enhance some other stuff". In conclusion, the apple pencil is great - has magnetic charging on the side and works well on apple devices, while the surface pencil is out there for a much longer period, while only getting revisited once after the surface pro 2. Since then it is more or less a standstill, leaving much room for competition.
There is also the severe lack of drawing and photo manip apps on Android, most artists are being driven to Ipads with the results that even indy app creators that do art themselves (Borodante for example) end up skipping on Android. Witch is fucking terrible for people like me who don't really want to join the cult of Apple.
I was really really really looking forward to buying this year's surface. I love everything about it, but that stylus is what's keeping me away from buying it! God, Microsoft, WHAT ARE YOU DOING!?!
There is literally 0 jitter on mine. It only happens on the surface pen when you're drawing SUPER slow. I use the bamboo ink which is $50 cheaper and its perfect.
A couple friends suggested I look at the surface but watching this video I don't see it as a viable option for frequent drawing. The lines look horrifically wobbly as you're drawing :O And only having 4000 levels of pressure is crazy, 8000 has been the standard for awhile.
I want the Matte Black! But I have the low end Surface Pro 5 and its works well. So not really worth me upgrading just for a paint job and spec bump. BUT if I HAD the money (like lots of extra money) I totally would.
I had the yoga 920 with the wacom AES pen and it was fantastic for the pen experience. But, the integrated graphics are just not fit to run Photoshop without lag so I returned it. But there is generally a problem with photoshop on these new laptops because I was getting lag even on a fully speced Surface book 2, and returned it also because of it.
I assume it must a big throwback to his surface 3 or 4 times, that one story time he made if anyone remembers, he said that he loved the surface until the ipad got the stylus but the surface mainly was giving him what wasn't there yet in that time, a portable drawing device
Brad!! Oh man!! Dude I’m glad you did a review on the 6! I was just about to tweet you asking what you thought about it! Because I bought the 4 because of the review you did on it :)
I am not an artist nor do I care about any devices ability to do it, BUT I thoroughly enjoy your review. A big review company needs to hire you to animate their reviews.
So hang on, if I buy the surface pro 6 and couple that up with a Wacom pen instead, would that avoid these annoying issues? I thought that this was a Surface Pro issue. I'm buying this device and don't want to pay for the pen if there are better options out there. Can anyone help?
Fantastic review!! I currently have an SP4 with an i7 and 16GB of RAM and the latest pen. Is the SP6 worth the upgrade? I’d much rather replace my 1 gen 12.9” iPad Pro with whatever it announced next week.
I have a mobile studio and I love most things about it. The pen is by far the best I’ve used. I just wish it had a snap on keyboard or was lighter. I’m hoping the surface line will catch up over time.
5th touch screen Windows device now and best by far. I think it is great value. Purchased a whole lot of USB C devices for my previous USB C ONLY Galaxy Tab Pro S and to be honest it isn’t an issue not having it. I have the adapter so everything is compatible. We have hundreds of the previous versions of these at work, and they keep getting more and more reliable and stable with each version. Would give it 8 out of 10
Love your down to earth reviews, with sassy and funny intermezzos. Interesting to see that the base config has become better. How does the ms pen compare to the one from Huion, like for example the GT-191?
I personally won't recommend Xp-pen, I bought the display once, the display was not good, and I could say that was the worst screen I've ever used. I even doubt that if I got an IPS panel, the view angle was so bad... Got refunded.
I just bought the iPad Pro, and I’m loving it :) if you want quality for a slightly lesser price, go for this one. I personally chose it for the portability and ease of use- I dislike waiting for something to start up especially if it takes a long time which usually happens in laptops. Since the iPad can easily be booted up anytime, anywhere, it’s easy to work and keep working. Plus it has a very colour accurate screen; I’ve never had any occurrence where the colours of one of my pieces looked vastly different from screen to screen. Well, I’m an animation student and freelance artist, so I really need work done fast, and the iPad does that great. If you’re just a hobbyist, maybe you’re better off working with something else.
Great review! Thanks again. I have a SB2 and moving to iPad for drawing. QUESTION Brad - what is Apple's ''Design philosophy'' and what makes it 'Apples'?
So I have a question... of I use a drawing app (firealpaca) theres a "stabilizer" or correction. It makes it so the lines draw smoother and makes them not jittery. If I used that with the Surface Pro and pen, do you think it would fix the jitter and be just fine? Because when I do lineart I like PERFECTLY straight and non jittery lines
As a tech guy, the big thing you forgot to mention is how the processor is now fully quad core rather than dual core with hypertreading (a pseudo quad core). This makes it so CPU intensive tasks can do a lot better now like video editing and includes drawing application since all is carried by the CPU since there is no dedicated GPU to do the brute work.
Additionally, the new iPad Pro has liquid crystal tech meaning that if you live in an arid climate (which I do), it will not last very long. We have constant issue with liquid crystal logevity because of how hot and dry it is.
Ok i have a few questions because im thinking about asking for a surface pro for my birthday. 1. Is there a USB port? (i have to have one for my 3d printer) 2. Is the Pen worth it? 3. Is the surface pro 5 or 6 better? 4. Is it worth the price?
How’s clip studio? Clip studio on the 2017 model didn’t seem to work with the pen. The new tilt support just seemed to confuse it, but when I used the Microsoft sketch app it worked perfect. I also used toon boom and it worked great there. Clip studio seemed to be the only issue
What power supply are you using? If you're doing intense work with a Surface tablet you should consider the 100w power supply. The Surface has several throttle points including temperature and power consumption and if you want to used more graphics intense apps it needs tat higher watt power to keep the battery charging. We found this out the hard way when using the Surface for a retail experience installation.
@@thebradcolbow Microsoft sells one for $100 that you can get from their online store or a Microsoft store ( not sure if Best Buy or other big box retailers have them), you can get them as low as $30 I think from third party manufacturers but you run the risk of it not having the same fail safeguards as the Microsoft one.
cool review, I have a question: I use a program charpad for drawing c64 maps; my question is: is the touch screen working on this program? charpad is a program that runs under windows....thank you!
Hey Brad, just an option, but have you considered getting links to Amazon au as well, I've liked quite a few of your reviews but Amazon us doesn't like shipping electronics to aus
My biggest concern is the bugs and hardware issues. I bought my SP4 in 2017 and good god, it has ISSUES. Screen shaking, losing half its battery during hibernate/shutdown almost overnight, the annoying line wiggle, the pen's cursor going haywire when it is hovering over the taskbar, the wifi needs to be manually disconnected and reconnected after it wakes up from hibernation despite it reconnecting automatically few months prior.
I use mine for audio recording and this is a beast. The band can buy 2 of these for the price of one MacBook. Not to mention the power you get for a cheaper price. The touch screen makes editing much much easier. I don’t know why most review on this laptop/tablet is all about drawing. Surface pro will eat ipad when it comes to music editing as long as you play on he price.
No chance on reviewing the Surface Book 2 i would love for you to compare the Mobile Studio Pro to the Surface Book 2 i have seen NO-ONE compare them side by side anywhere!!!
Probably not. Here is my hunch since I've used several Surface's (Pro, Go, Studio) The pen feels pretty much the same across the board on all of those so I would imagine that it's the same on the Surface Book.
I had the 15" SB2 and returned it. A ton of lag, and I was shocked because that thing packs some serious power. Pen experience quite terrible especially when having an iPad pro on the side. If you want to do some serious work don't get it. This review of the pro 6 pretty much sums up the experience, and from my experience, Brad you’re being soft on this thing how bad it is haha.
Do you use screen protector on your surface pro? If yes, tell please which one? Film or glass? How does it work when you use a stylus on a film or glass? Are there any bugs?
I want these to be better. I’m not an apple fanboy at all. But for drawing I use my iPad Pro for work. And the surface I specifically bought to work on, hasn’t been used. The MS pen just doesn’t cut it.
I REEAAALLLY just want Microsoft to make the stand lock in place so I can draw at higher angles and avoid hunching over so much... That's literally all I've wanted them to fix since I bought my SP3.
Hey Brad, great review video! Looking to get a tablet device for illustrating. Which would you recommend, 2018 Surface Pro 6 or 2018 iPad Pro 12.9? Thnx u! :)
“The keyboard doesn’t come with the surface”
Apple: *_”GOOD BOI UR LEARNIN”_*
the pen neither ;)
At Costco if you are a member they sell you the whole bundle (surface pro 6, pen, and keyboard) for $800. Mine was he i5 model with 8gb ram. Happy with it so far!
Bless my mom for letting me use her cost-co membership is all I gotta say to that
It comes with keyboard and. Pen I bought it comes with it. Plus surface 6.comes with keyword depending where you buy it. Plus mines came with mouse so
@@mryup6100 wow I didn't know that cool so what programs your using on it?
PEN JITTER TIP: Disable "Press and Hold" function under the stylus settings. Be amazed at the reduction in jitter. Literally life changing. You're welcome.
I’m getting a surface pro 5 and can you tell me where to do it because I have no idea
@@dderrkii Once you get it, look for a button in the start menu that says "SURFACE" where you configure settings unique to the Surface. Click on the stylus icon to the left, then the SETTINGS APP link. Then go down to the drop down menue for PRESS AND HOLD and select "Nothing". Also, if you type "Calibrate" in Cortana, you can find the tool to calibrate your pen and touch input to feel more natural and accurate.
you should make a video of it on how it looks before and after. please i wanna see it
SlyRaptor thx a lot man, it hasn’t arrived yet but when it does I’m gonna go straight to here!
I tried it and it didnt make any difference
From a college student perspective, this surface has been amazing so far. I use onenote for my notes and the writing feels like i'm writing on paper (especially when i added a cheap matte screen protector). I can have 2 onenote windows up at the same time to write notes and check the teacher's slides while having another window for google in case I'm still confused with the lecture. The writing is smooth and quick while switching from hand touch to pen a breeze. I sound like an ad but damn, i'm glad I picked it over a regular laptop. Hopefully they'll have noteability for windows soon.
Mia Can you tell me what screen protector you're using? I own a Surface Pro 6 base model without the keyboard (using my old apple wireless bluetooth keyboard) and I recently watched JerryRickEverything's video about the durability of the device. I got pretty worried about the fractures that occurred on his surface. I use my surface a lot for drawing and wonder whether your 'cheap matte screen protector' is okay with the surface pen in terms of recognition and pressure sensitivity.
Thank you in advance.
Nikolas Apple I am using “Mr Shield for Microsoft Surface Pro 4 Anti-Glare [Matte] Screen Protector [3-Pack] with Lifetime Replacement” www.amazon.com/dp/B0169SB4MY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_iirXCbFQY6KKV from Amazon. It feels like writing on paper with the pen and when you use touch, it feels smoother. After a lot of months of bringing it to school... no scratches yet :)
Same here, I've been using surface tablet for awhile and I love writing on it and the biggest thing I love is the insert feature, which allows me to cut and paste pictures from my screen and put them in my notes. I can have that graph that's in my ebook in my notes with no problems
I have been thinking about getting a surface 6 since I could use it as a full Windows laptop and as a tablet for writing notes in class. Only bad thing is that the keyboard and pen come seperate...
Is it laggy or anything when you draw?
The funny animation is giving a unique touch to your channel, loving it!!!
Thanks!
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Amazing video I'm subscribing to the channel right away.
The crappy pen performance kills it for me, and is the #1 reason I got an iPad instead of a Surface. Sucks, because the only thing the iPad is good for is drawing and painting, and a Surface would be far more versatile. Classic Microsoft of making something that it just good enough instead of excellent, and classic Apple of making something that is really great for one thing, but limiting it so you have to buy another Apple product that does something else.
If it helps, I have used the surface book 2 i5 and and i7 with performance base and the difference in response between the two is way more than I would have expected. Not sure if it's the same for the surface pro, but it was enough to put me off any i5 based computer going forward.
@@DoctorMikeWilson Thanks for the info, but the bad pen performance kills it for me anyhow. I would not get a Surface, just based on that, because my only use for a tablet is drawing and painting. I am hoping the Google Slate has great pen performance, as it is far, far more useful than an iPad. If not, I will wind up getting a 12.9" iPad Pro in the spring.
Carol - there should be a major refresh to the Surface Pro this coming Spring/Summer. I would sit tight for that if you can. The 6 was a minor refresh.
@@carolteater9456 are you going buy the Google pixel slate?
@@nadeemshaikh7863 Nope, it's pure crap for drawing, apparently. It seems to be like the mirror image of the iPad: horrible for anything that needs a pen, and great for anything that needs a good keyboard and trackpad and a real browser. Apple isn't going to add that to the iPad, they want people to buy an iPad *and* a MacBook, and Google doesn't care enough about people who do art or design to be bothered improving the pen experience on the Slate. I likely will buy an iPad Pro 12.9 and do essentially what I do now, only use the iPad for drawing and painting, and use my Chromebook or desktop for everything else. I don't even like the iPad for media consumption, though the Pro might be better.
6 generations in, I think we can safely say: Microsoft should never have ditched Wacom EMR,
Yep, agreed.
It has been rumored that at the time Wacom wouldn't allow them to put it on a tablet over 10 inches. In order, to keep them from cannabilizing Wacom's tablet market.
Now we have crappy portable computers with good wacom pens, and crappy ntrig pens with good portable computers. Neat.
JayJapanB Check out the hp zbook x2. It has a wacom emr pen and express keys
I think it was Wacom that ditched MS, since Wacom was planning on releasing their own Cintiq Companion at the time.
I love this machine. Yeah, there's definitely a drop off (pen wise - from my Cinitiq Pro 24) but, it's not like I can carry my work station around. Granted the Apple pencil is better but, the rest of the Surface Pro is better. And as stated, the Pro can run "everything" and it's seemless with my workstation.
You can't continue or start something on the go if using Painter, Illustrator or PS as examples, with your ipad.
Plus... so nice to be out of the Apple ecosystem... another topic but, too wonderful not to mention!
The surface pens pretty good too/on par with apple if you calibrate it
You've clearly never owned an ipad to make a comment like that. Ipad has great PSD support so why you need photoshop? There's procreate, sketchbook, clip studio, paintstom, affintiy photo, infinite painter, etc the list goes on for the number of apps that can use PSD files. Not to mention who wants photoshop or illustrator on an ipad anyways when you'll sit there and pay a crap ton of money to due its subscription pricing? You could just buy affinity photo and designer which comes with 90% of everything photoshop and illustrator does, only
its a one time price/buy.
There is a reason why you see a lot of artists use an ipad for their mobile devices and just about none of them use a surface pro, despite both being in the same price range and the
surface pro running "everything". Its all about good drawing software and experience, an area where the ipad crushes the surface.
What program is he using for draw mario?
Congratulations for the subscriber count! Well deserved! Love your channel!
@@greenazure4367 I hate apple but I know facts when I see em
Same old story. For serious drawing, doesn’t work. Beautiful design, but for Microsoft jobs & people. One more thing. You’re sense of humor and your quick speech (and clear) makes your channel the best. As always, thank you very much.
It does work... its not wacom level but I myself do great artwork wit a surfce pro 4 and the surface pen.. He never said it wasnt capable of doing it. Its actually the othwr way arround since you can use photoshop and it allows you to do everything. Its just not the best BUT THEN AGAIN NEITHER IS THE APPLE PENCIL
I totally agree with you. In addition, if someone is looking for a serious upgrade, this device should do the job. However, it is still an amazing machine.
On the other hand, I deeply believe that Microsoft will go for a change next year, 2020 will be too late. But who knows...if they want to keep "pc-windows-office" type concept, the ups will be for good, but not good enough for all serious illustrators.
Idk, I've been using a surface pro3 i5 for years now for "serious work" (as in actual concept art, illustration and now product design) and id rather use my sp3 than my wacom cintiq 13hd. I wouldn't spread the misinformation that the surface line is not good enough for pros, because it is. At least for 2d work, the issue arises with heavy 3d work but it wasn't designed for this anyway.
@@user-ff2mu4fh4v Actually, "misinformation" is a word writtent too imprudently here. For sure, milions of people do their professional work thanks to Surface Pro or even Go machines. However, the review showed clearly that the bar is not enough higher to cover more specific needs. And this will be visible when Ipad Pro comes at the end of this month with the promise for full Photoshop experience and not only that. Anyway even this Ipad Pro wont cover all specific needs. But, for sure, could go beyond the Surface line at this stage. If Apple is going to do that, I hope in 2019 we all meet the real face of Surface Pro- the better choice for most of the people. P., there is no "the perfect device". Peace. I have a flight to catch.
"For serious drawing, doesn’t work." I disagree. As some have mentioned, they've used it for serious creative work. I also know a guy who does illustration and animation with his surface pro. That's photoshop and flash/animate. It's pretty neat. An i7 with 8gb+ ram should suffice. I'm sure that most professionals use this as a daily laptop/tablet because of how portable it is, but it doesn't mean that they don't also have a different or even a better computer in their home.
the latency you're seeing in the drawing apps could be from line smoothing, it sets back your lines as to remove most unwanted bumps. some apps can disable this or add more if you want ultra smooth lines.
I want this, but by the time I can afford it the 2019 version will be available.
During all this time, you can master and polish your skills. Also, you will see are there any serious flows in this device and also you will see how the strong competition on that field will give you more options (maybe a better device from another company) or a better one from Microsoft with a better price-tag. So, I am sure that you will find the best choice for you just because you have the time to find the best one. Cheer up!
Just wait for 2019.
Why not iPad pro instead? Same price, no jitter, better screen and colors, now with photoshop available.
tabundo001 my biggest gripe is the lack of freedom with Apple.
Well the next generation is out
I'm so gonna get it...second hand from ebay...the next year
Was just telling my brother how I'm gonna get the black version in like 6 years lmfao !!
Or you can get the cheapest Wacom and some second hand laptop. Surface is a good enough experience, but not a "must have" experience at all.
What program is he using for draw mario?
@@uxeloe3615 Looks like Photoshop, but turns out it's something called Leonardo
George Mawad photoshop is coming out on ipad pro as a full app in 2019 so just stay on the ipad ☺️☺️☺️☺️
They need to update that pen technology to catch up to apple and wacom. Regarding the tablet design, I know it’s great but I hope they’re not thinking that they created the perfect design cuz there’s still room for improvement, at least I have some weird shit in mind.
What program is he using for draw mario?
That's photoshop.
Surface pen is smooth, what are you talking about?
What do you think can be improved in the tablet design?
Update what?. Why do you all have to lie that ipad pen beats surface pen? Do you even know how many pressure the iPad pen has? That ipad pen was horrible cause it lacked simple eraser. It rolled off the table each time it wasn't in use and the latency doesn't quite beat the surface pro. Don't give me that bullshit that the ipad pro feel more natural cause that has been proven to be a lie so many times.
I bought the Surface Pro (2017) last year, and to this day it's still the best purchase I've ever made. I am so happy with it that it will take a little more than a tech bump for me to upgrade, but I'm excited to see what they come out with next year.
Same! I was a bit salty I bought mine a few days before the surface 6 was announced but I still love this thing.
I watched so many reviews and this was definitely the best one
Your art coupled with your humor is a unique touch that distinguishes your channel from others. Keep it up!
you absolutely leveled up your videos with the sound and short animations. Pro level, Brad!
While it handles photoshop ok fine, I'm curious as to how it performs when running illustrator.
Apparently a windows update fixes/improves diagonal lines A LOT re-visit this?
He did a video with this surface and the new Wacom pen now, jitter still there really.
Hey, I think its great. Choice is awesome and this device will let people, who don't want an iPad, not be forced to get one. iPads aren't for everyone and if you don't want to compromise your experience with windows, you should't have to.
Great review Brad.
My life has changed after running into your channel. I laughed so much, but yet, learn just as much! Thank you for this.
for anyone having surface and wants to enjoy drawing, don't even think about photoshop, it is slow with terrible stabilizer and intense wobbly-jitter lines and also bad brushes. I Highly recommend "Krita" it works pretty smooth, brushes are amazing specially the pencil brushes, and you have multiple stabilizer options, the feeling is unlike any other app i tried. if you went to store to just test surface pen and they don't have krita just use windows sketchpad it is a lot better than photoshop.
Dang, no 1080p. That's how you know you're early!
What is that software u r using ? The one with the L logo
Leonardo Drawing... ua-cam.com/video/N4a9YrFhMT4/v-deo.html
Congrats on 100k man, you deserve it. Been here since the start. I knew you would get here.
the back of mine broke and I had to get a case but the case don't fit because of the turning things
What turning things??
@@np5388 the turning that. The thing that allows it to turn
I hope they realise how many potential customers are out there who just wait for that stupid jitter to go away.
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Update:
To be fair, after I made that comment I have used the new Surface Pro 6, and the jitter isn't as a big of a problem as I thought so. The reason is that in practice you never draw that slow
Me! That would bother me.
Thanks Mr. Brad for your honest review
My daughter is an artiest an she is asking me to get an iPad pro but when I asked around someone recommended the Microsoft Surface to me since he's using it himself. I felt bad that I might get her the Surface since it's cheaper and within my budget and that always means it's not as good as the iPad Pro. But now after watching you review I feel this might be a good start for her and the Surface is not inferior at all and on top of that it's a full PC.
thank you! it really helped 👍
you should really try affinity photo instead of photoshop or do acomparison vid. was blown away by how much faster affinity (at least on my laptop) runs. as well as soe awesome added features adobe doesnt have. great vid as always, keep it up!
The production quality of your videos has gone through the roof. You seem far more relaxed and natural on camera too. Your call to action on the affiliate link is perfect. Mid video animations and jokes are perfectly timed. I have started to watch these videos now just because of o entertainment value. Great Job.
That's awesome, thanks! Over the summer I started dedicating another full day a week to making each video, so glad that time is showing up on the quality side of things :)
Hope it helps to save your money, folks!
It will cost you a new one display for get a new battery, because surface pro line (from pro 3 model) is totally solid and the only way to get inside of it - is to kill your LCD - it's glued everywhere! Totally non-repairable device. I've sold my old one pro 2017 because of this (the battery get degraded from daily usage, and there was no hope to easy replace of it). Looking for Dell's latitude 2 in 1 series now because of this reason (it's much more easier to service).
I use most adobe softwares, blender 3D. I love illustrating, but I always improvise. However, this is perfect for a student who is studying Graphic Design/Visual Communication.
my problem is with the digital pen, since after a while the tip wears out and they gave me it without a spare tip so I think the tip could wear to the point that it starts to scratch the screen and it would be a big problem Because Since the pen and tablet are quite expensive, it was a miracle that I had a chance to get it.
(sorry if it's very poorly written, I don't speak English)
You can adjust the latency with a registry mod
I simply don't understand the jitter claim. I do concept art for a living and I used Wacom for about 12 years, switched to Surface Book and don't experience it.
Try drawing diagonals with a ruler. I'd love to see what you get.
@@Lurreable Sounds like an edge case if I have to experience it by setting up a scenario that isn't part of a normal flow to make it happen. I understand the concern, but even from using Wacom every day for 12 years, it wasn't something even noticeable when making the switch.
Lucky you! The stylus isn't horrible, but I could never get used to the noticeable lag and jitter. Now, after switching to the iPad, Microsoft would have to completely overhaul their pen for me to go back. Shame, I loved the SP otherwise :(
@@Beanie84 Funny, as someone with Apple products for YEARS, I feel exactly the opposite. iPad is a toy or companion, MacBooks are great but stale; most importantly my flow was seriously simplified on the Surface (Book).
Yea, the iPad isn't a complete computer replacement as ads claim, but as a companion drawing device for personal art and commissions, it does the job perfectly for me. More resource heavy work is better suited for actual computers.
You're the best! Thank you for the honest review and artist perspective AND comparing this to Apple and Wacom. Everything I wanted to get out of this review!!!
those wobbly lines just freaked me out
I have this laptop and use it with Photoshop all the time. I didn't get any wobbly lines?? Honestly not sure why he did cause my lines end up beautifully smooth
Nackle Putackle its the way you draw; if you draw with your wrist like this guy, youre more likely to end up with feathered or wobbly lines, but if you draw with your arm, the your lines are a lot smoother
Needs lock mechanism on the stand atleast
Apple/Window logo side comments was a nice touch
And great review as always!
where can you buy that gloves? i'm seriously need it for my sweaty hands, by the way how's the battery
Congrats for your 100k! Following you since the mobile studio pro video (watching and daydreaming I could afford it) You are doing amazing job. You totally deserved!
I love the funny animations and humour in the video! It adds a nice harmless flare (harmless jokes between Apple and Microsoft). I love it along with your well thought out review.
Can you or someone else explain to me how the Apple is better cause I'm starting to get the feeling people just like saying "Apple pen is better" .................?! I have used both and i the surface pen beats in my own opinion. Oh and surface pen has an eraser.
Was looking for the answer aswell. Since no one answerd, i guess it just comes down to "apple sheeps" saying, that the apple stuff is better than everthing else. Since Apple-stuff is usually good and the convinience (apple eco system) is much higher than on other devices, who tend to do their own stuff and don't fully commit on the things they are doing.
In my opinion Apple puts much thought into they products, and how to scam the customer afterwards (dongle life), while other are more like "we copy there and ignore that, while we enhance some other stuff".
In conclusion, the apple pencil is great - has magnetic charging on the side and works well on apple devices, while the surface pencil is out there for a much longer period, while only getting revisited once after the surface pro 2. Since then it is more or less a standstill, leaving much room for competition.
There is also the severe lack of drawing and photo manip apps on Android, most artists are being driven to Ipads with the results that even indy app creators that do art themselves (Borodante for example) end up skipping on Android. Witch is fucking terrible for people like me who don't really want to join the cult of Apple.
I love the little apple logo guy and windows guy their dynamic is great!
Super funny too!!
I was really really really looking forward to buying this year's surface. I love everything about it, but that stylus is what's keeping me away from buying it! God, Microsoft, WHAT ARE YOU DOING!?!
There is literally 0 jitter on mine. It only happens on the surface pen when you're drawing SUPER slow. I use the bamboo ink which is $50 cheaper and its perfect.
Have you tried using the other pens...like apple and such on this device? Just wondering if they work? Seems crazy I know...but hey worth a try...
A couple friends suggested I look at the surface but watching this video I don't see it as a viable option for frequent drawing. The lines look horrifically wobbly as you're drawing :O And only having 4000 levels of pressure is crazy, 8000 has been the standard for awhile.
I want the Matte Black! But I have the low end Surface Pro 5 and its works well. So not really worth me upgrading just for a paint job and spec bump. BUT if I HAD the money (like lots of extra money) I totally would.
You could wrap it in matte black vinyl
This was the funnest and best Surface Pro review I’ve watched yet! 😂
Hey I really like your channel and wonder what would u suggest for someone who is going to animation degree and want a good drawing laptop
Have you reviewed a Lenovo Yoga? How are they for illustration?
I had the yoga 920 with the wacom AES pen and it was fantastic for the pen experience. But, the integrated graphics are just not fit to run Photoshop without lag so I returned it. But there is generally a problem with photoshop on these new laptops because I was getting lag even on a fully speced Surface book 2, and returned it also because of it.
Amin Bajrektarevic that’s a bummer. Maybe it could still be a good secondary device. Thanks for the info!
Lilly Aguilar As a secondary device an iPad Pro does the job perfectly, at least for me...
It's a lot better when you disable GPU acceleration in settings.
@@AlexxZhulin Which kills alot of features and makes scrolling and panning so painfully slow on high resolution displays.
I assume it must a big throwback to his surface 3 or 4 times, that one story time he made if anyone remembers, he said that he loved the surface until the ipad got the stylus but the surface mainly was giving him what wasn't there yet in that time, a portable drawing device
I have been waiting for this review since the Microsoft Open Ceremony;-) Thank you!
hehe, me too :)
Brad!! Oh man!! Dude I’m glad you did a review on the 6! I was just about to tweet you asking what you thought about it! Because I bought the 4 because of the review you did on it :)
I am not an artist nor do I care about any devices ability to do it, BUT I thoroughly enjoy your review. A big review company needs to hire you to animate their reviews.
So hang on, if I buy the surface pro 6 and couple that up with a Wacom pen instead, would that avoid these annoying issues? I thought that this was a Surface Pro issue. I'm buying this device and don't want to pay for the pen if there are better options out there. Can anyone help?
Fantastic review!! I currently have an SP4 with an i7 and 16GB of RAM and the latest pen. Is the SP6 worth the upgrade? I’d much rather replace my 1 gen 12.9” iPad Pro with whatever it announced next week.
I have a mobile studio and I love most things about it. The pen is by far the best I’ve used. I just wish it had a snap on keyboard or was lighter. I’m hoping the surface line will catch up over time.
5th touch screen Windows device now and best by far. I think it is great value. Purchased a whole lot of USB C devices for my previous USB C ONLY Galaxy Tab Pro S and to be honest it isn’t an issue not having it. I have the adapter so everything is compatible. We have hundreds of the previous versions of these at work, and they keep getting more and more reliable and stable with each version. Would give it 8 out of 10
Thanks you so much :)
Super weird that you dont get the pen with. When I got surface pro 2 pen was included.
Btw, I clicked the link. Twice 😎
Was considering one of these, but that line jitter is a deal-killer for me
Fantastic delivery, entertainment, information, demonstrations, presentation, just brilliant☺️☺️☺️☺️
Love your down to earth reviews, with sassy and funny intermezzos. Interesting to see that the base config has become better. How does the ms pen compare to the one from Huion, like for example the GT-191?
Your video is both HILARIOUS& INFORMATIVE... Interesting twist on reviewing tech!!!
What is best for draw precision with pencil? Xp-pen Artis 12 or XP Pen artist 16 pro? And iPad 2018 or artist 12? Nice review of surface pro :)
I personally won't recommend Xp-pen, I bought the display once, the display was not good, and I could say that was the worst screen I've ever used. I even doubt that if I got an IPS panel, the view angle was so bad... Got refunded.
I just bought the iPad Pro, and I’m loving it :) if you want quality for a slightly lesser price, go for this one. I personally chose it for the portability and ease of use- I dislike waiting for something to start up especially if it takes a long time which usually happens in laptops. Since the iPad can easily be booted up anytime, anywhere, it’s easy to work and keep working. Plus it has a very colour accurate screen; I’ve never had any occurrence where the colours of one of my pieces looked vastly different from screen to screen.
Well, I’m an animation student and freelance artist, so I really need work done fast, and the iPad does that great. If you’re just a hobbyist, maybe you’re better off working with something else.
@@carly8555 i want to do this profesional no to a hobbie, thanks for the info
@@carly8555 Just drop out of animation school while you're ahead lmao. waste of money.
Is this still good in 2021?
Doesn't seem much different from the Pro 7
Great review! Thanks again. I have a SB2 and moving to iPad for drawing. QUESTION Brad - what is Apple's ''Design philosophy'' and what makes it 'Apples'?
So I have a question... of I use a drawing app (firealpaca) theres a "stabilizer" or correction. It makes it so the lines draw smoother and makes them not jittery. If I used that with the Surface Pro and pen, do you think it would fix the jitter and be just fine? Because when I do lineart I like PERFECTLY straight and non jittery lines
As a tech guy, the big thing you forgot to mention is how the processor is now fully quad core rather than dual core with hypertreading (a pseudo quad core). This makes it so CPU intensive tasks can do a lot better now like video editing and includes drawing application since all is carried by the CPU since there is no dedicated GPU to do the brute work.
Any reviews on stylus for phones? Built in or otherwise?
Now that’s pro vid I’ve been searching for.
Best pen use review! (As drawing in photoshops a great part of my work).
Cheers ✌🏼😉
Congratulations to the 100K Brad!!!
I've never been so early for anything! HD quality isn't even ready yet!
Additionally, the new iPad Pro has liquid crystal tech meaning that if you live in an arid climate (which I do), it will not last very long. We have constant issue with liquid crystal logevity because of how hot and dry it is.
Man your videos are awesome and finally helped me decide which one to choose
Ok i have a few questions because im thinking about asking for a surface pro for my birthday.
1. Is there a USB port? (i have to have one for my 3d printer)
2. Is the Pen worth it?
3. Is the surface pro 5 or 6 better?
4. Is it worth the price?
How’s clip studio? Clip studio on the 2017 model didn’t seem to work with the pen. The new tilt support just seemed to confuse it, but when I used the Microsoft sketch app it worked perfect. I also used toon boom and it worked great there. Clip studio seemed to be the only issue
What power supply are you using? If you're doing intense work with a Surface tablet you should consider the 100w power supply. The Surface has several throttle points including temperature and power consumption and if you want to used more graphics intense apps it needs tat higher watt power to keep the battery charging. We found this out the hard way when using the Surface for a retail experience installation.
That's good to know. I'm just using what it comes with. Does MS sell a 100w or is a 3rd party thing?
@@thebradcolbow Microsoft sells one for $100 that you can get from their online store or a Microsoft store ( not sure if Best Buy or other big box retailers have them), you can get them as low as $30 I think from third party manufacturers but you run the risk of it not having the same fail safeguards as the Microsoft one.
Howdy... I think that a glove to help with sliding around on the screen is a great idea. Where did you get yers? Thanks!
cool review, I have a question: I use a program charpad for drawing c64 maps; my question is: is the touch screen working on this program? charpad is a program that runs under windows....thank you!
Just used ure link. It saved me an extra $10 bucks...THANKS! Your review was the final one I watched.
Hi, I was wondering what pen that is compatible with surface pro 6 is the best. Any good hint?
Hey Brad, just an option, but have you considered getting links to Amazon au as well, I've liked quite a few of your reviews but Amazon us doesn't like shipping electronics to aus
helped me alot! and ur voice is soooo soothing im gonna buy using that link now 🥰🥰🥰
love ur channel bro, keep em coming!
My biggest concern is the bugs and hardware issues.
I bought my SP4 in 2017 and good god, it has ISSUES. Screen shaking, losing half its battery during hibernate/shutdown almost overnight, the annoying line wiggle, the pen's cursor going haywire when it is hovering over the taskbar, the wifi needs to be manually disconnected and reconnected after it wakes up from hibernation despite it reconnecting automatically few months prior.
I use mine for audio recording and this is a beast. The band can buy 2 of these for the price of one MacBook. Not to mention the power you get for a cheaper price. The touch screen makes editing much much easier. I don’t know why most review on this laptop/tablet is all about drawing. Surface pro will eat ipad when it comes to music editing as long as you play on he price.
Loved the lingering camera after the "not invited to parties" joke 👌
No chance on reviewing the Surface Book 2
i would love for you to compare the Mobile Studio Pro to the Surface Book 2
i have seen NO-ONE compare them side by side anywhere!!!
Probably not. Here is my hunch since I've used several Surface's (Pro, Go, Studio) The pen feels pretty much the same across the board on all of those so I would imagine that it's the same on the Surface Book.
I had the 15" SB2 and returned it. A ton of lag, and I was shocked because that thing packs some serious power. Pen experience quite terrible especially when having an iPad pro on the side. If you want to do some serious work don't get it. This review of the pro 6 pretty much sums up the experience, and from my experience, Brad you’re being soft on this thing how bad it is haha.
Do you use screen protector on your surface pro? If yes, tell please which one? Film or glass? How does it work when you use a stylus on a film or glass? Are there any bugs?
Can I use stylus pen (xp pen) instead the pen given? will it work with Windows surface 6? Did anyone had try?
Great review, and congrats on the subscriber milestone. Well deserved!
Thanks and thanks :)
Your rendition of Mario that you were drawing in this video was intriguing!
Brilliant, thanks! Would i7 16gb stylus lag less than your i5 8gb version? (in photoshop and other drawing apps)
really like your video style and animations thanks for the information and keep up the good work :)
I want these to be better. I’m not an apple fanboy at all. But for drawing I use my iPad Pro for work. And the surface I specifically bought to work on, hasn’t been used. The MS pen just doesn’t cut it.
I've had a surface pro 4 for a couple years, and the pen jitter is really my only complaint. However, it's fine when using vectors.
I REEAAALLLY just want Microsoft to make the stand lock in place so I can draw at higher angles and avoid hunching over so much... That's literally all I've wanted them to fix since I bought my SP3.
Thank you finally someone stated it USBC does not have much you can do with it unless you're using it as a dongle
IKR
If you were to use bamboo ink stylus with this instead of the surface pen, would it solve the problem of jagged lines?
Hey Brad, great review video! Looking to get a tablet device for illustrating. Which would you recommend, 2018 Surface Pro 6 or 2018 iPad Pro 12.9? Thnx u! :)