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To be fair, what was said in this video is relevant to the education system in many other Asian countries. We believe that intellectual curiosity, critical thinking and creativity are super important in today's world but the current system is set up to achieve the exact opposite. Here at Asian Boss, we create content to raise awareness, start a conversation and challenge the status quo. It's up to you to speak up, listen to different opinions and engage in discussions. If you'd like to volunteer as our reporter to cover similar issues in different parts of Asia, get in touch with us at askasianboss@gmail.com
世界侵略のススメを見せるのはすごく効果的だと思う…日本の教育は経済という宗教だから学校に行かなくても幸せな中産階級の子供がいっぱいいるし、貧困層には人間的な幸せが微塵もない。何かを理解することに興味がない、ある意味地獄みたいな国家、ジャパン。
I've really enjoyed videos like this. I think it's so important for us to learn about what's happening outside our own country when we're so closely connected now via the internet. Videos like this also give us more understanding about other cultures as well by showing how they think about the subject. Whether it's a video about education or fashion or whatever, it's all really fascinating and well-done. Thank you!
u guys from Asian Boss do know, that it is a good manner to give a link on something, the whole video is based on?
why should I look for that finnish education video in youtube, there may be hundreds of videos about it, how can I guess what exactly is the one you are discussing?
Asian Boss so true in the case of my country also,
I also watched that video about Finland a week ago and I am glad that you guys are comparing it to the Japanese system,
I hope I see a Korea version as well!
Education systems all around the world are failing, except maybe Germany and Nordic countries?
"Children have blind faith in those who raise them."
I like that quote.
i could literally see the hurt in his eyes.asian parents are shitty.
They really do. Biologically, children are programmed to believe anything their parents tell them. It's why ridiculous beliefs are still as present as they are to this date (the science age). If children are taught to think for themselves as soon as they are able to, then you get what you see in nordic countries. Happiest people in the world (in the World Happines Report all the nordic countries are in the top ten), the least religious in the world and the best prisons with the absolute lowest reoffending rate.
Eerie Soul Even the most bad-ass is affraid of their parents, especially their mothers
Not me. I was a Shin-chan. xD
Can't say I am the same but then again I was not born in Japan.
"Children have blind faith in those who raise them. "
Realest shit I've read in a really long time
Noyumi Ao Well said.
interesting how much wisdom these random Japanese people have
teach them jihad
This is about me. Thank God, I could manage to get out of their evil shadow.
Not even true, especially not for teenagers.
When you aren't allow to question things you aren't learning.
They are building androids over there. They want them to stay in line and follow orders.
to be fair, staying in line is a priority in the japanese society simply because there are so many people living in the same place. it`s not a coincidence, that their trains are always on time... they`re very aware of the people around them and have a strong herd mentality. a lot of times the reason they do something it`s because they don`t want to be "bothersome to other people". so it`s a practical thing. the problem is that because of this system that is set on the good of the majority, people who don`t fit in the mold fall through the cracks. I think that`s one thing parents concider when they push their kids into schools
"wa" is that sense of "harmony"
😭😭😭
@@veemon I think "wa" meaning harmony, but it is leaned over to conformity.
"Why did you only get 99 out of 100? You are not good enough! You are a disgrace"
Move along, just a typical Asian parent.
Kip Higginson Need to get 101 to fully satisfy em...
"Mom and Dad, you couldn't afford to send me to a better school! YOU are a disgrace! Kevin's dad got promoted last month. You loser!"
- in my head as a typical Asian kid.
But my parents is not like that if I get a 50 out of 100 its okay if I get 15 out of 100 they will say just do your best in the next exam .. Well I'm really lucky to have my parents then Ahahah 😂😂 I'm filipina btw just share it
Min yoongi's wifey Philippine pride... Filipino here😀
Japanese parents need to chill, raise your child to be happy, strong and respect others, then everything else will follow. I work in Junior High School and Elementary school and my god the teachers, need to smile more and laugh more, they have a face like a dog's backside.
Hi Asian Boss, a long-time fan here. I am glad that you discuss my native country of Finland with Japanese people, but there are some things that were incorrect in that Michael Moore movie. Finnish kids do get homework. In the first year there may be no homework or just a little bit, but the amount increases over the years. We also write a standardized test in the end of high school called matriculation exams. And we do get report cards after each term at school. What was correct though was that school days are short compared to other countries. After each 45 minute class there is a 15 minute recess and kids go out to play. that way your mind gets to take a rest and then you are ready and full of energy for another class. I suppose the Finnish way of teaching is very efficient that way.
Thank you. Michael Moore omits details to push a narrative.
Michael Moore is a liberal propaganda agent like CNN or other propaganda news channel. He just hates his own country
That is true because I`m finnish and in high school and I`m currently preparing for my test week. So we do have tests and homework but we don`t get so much homework than somewhere like Japan.
Nordic111+ This comment needs more visibility.
I would like to add the number of school hours per week, at minimum, is 19 in 1st grade and 30 in 7-9th grade.
Nordic111 Tää.
Being a Finn and having also studied in Japan I think there is a fundamental difference how Finland and many other western countries approach education compared to Japan. In Finland school is there to teach people how to argument and express oneself as well as how to go about finding information and distinguishing if the information is reliable. In Japan, school is more meant to condition kids to become obedient adults and hard working members of society.
Gamz Neddyl no japan school greatr than finland school
So u don't have homeworks for real?
@@jjeast662 just shut up boomer
@@jjeast662 weeb spotted
Asian education system in short :
Don't be creative , don't follow monochromics methodology.
Just work hard constantly with firm path and goal so that other feels anxiety inside them 🤦🏼♀️
Can't blame them , their population is too high , so it's better to follow herd mentality.
so you're telling me that school in anime isn't an accurate representation of japanese education?!?!?!?
Ricky Chu Yes.
WHOA WHOA WHOA. Is Persona 5 fictional??? Get tf outta here...
Ricky Chu But how avout clubs system? Is this real? Are it mandatory? I always found clubs fasinating, nothing like this in my country...
Ricky Chu the bullying part . yes
it's a known fact that Japanese schools emphasize "the power of friendship" like in shounen anime. Also every male student has at least 3 females fighting over him despite his clumsy nature
I'm from Finland and I think some of the reasons why our education is so good is because our teachers has to have a masters degree from university which takes about to 5 years to complete and because teaching is one of the most popular jobs in Finland it is quite difficult to get in to university to study to became a teacher. They have a really difficult written exam first and they they call some of the people to take psychological test and then decide which ones are accepted. So those who get in and graduate are actually motivated and fit to teach. Also we don't have any hierarchy in Finland. We call our teachers by their first names and think of them more as friends. You would never hear someone calling a person Mr. something in Finland that would be just too weird.
And I never understood why Asian countries always rank their students in everything. Why in world do you need to know who is the best and worst student in your class or school? That just brings unnecessary stress for everyone and parents comparing their children "why are you worse than that kid?" even when they are doing good enough in school.
winter-star this is the same thing in france i'm shocked
yea, in the USA, they will literally just hire whoever walks through the door sometimes. I had teachers in high school that were dodgy af.
From my experience it come from supporting the economy, students are taught the standard requirements to face the past infrastructure. Since modeling a system for student would change the entire paradigm and tearing down decades of obsolete policy. Whose willing to pay for that when no one put the future in the hands of the children.
winter-star I agree! I don't think that reading something so much that you remember it and know it on a test...witch you probably forget after while anyway should determine your value and intelligence.
for asians its a rat race... you gotta be at the to; or its game over..for someteason they think ranking people will motivate you to do better...or its just humiliating
There's a reason why the educational channels on youtube always have comments where people say they learn more from educational youtube videos than in school. Learning is awesome and fun but schools take that away.
Its not much of schools problem but the education system that is implemented by official in goverment responsible for education (usually some idiot who doesnt know jack shit) and then because it was decided schools have to do it and teachers are forced to teach by the year program decided. There isnt much they ca do :/ well at least in my country.
I never knew learning could be fun or that such thing existed until I started learning things and studying things on my own over the internet. No joke. When I was learning because I wanted to, I was like "Wait, I almost always hate learning... This feels so weird."
It could be because a lot of ppl are visual thinkers, they get more from a vid than a textbook. At least for me. Long texts put me to sleep.
Nah. Studying is not always fun, UA-cam channels just pick the most interesting facts. Real science is 70% boring and I am being generous. And most of those commenters forget whatever they learn from UA-cam in the next 3-4 hours
@@goldenmoon739 "Studying" is not fun, they say "learning" is fun. Even though you can forget them, it is fun to know something different. It can be a language, how to do thing, psychological things, memorable quotes etc. Learning is fun but it depends on what you learn, not everyone likes mathematics right?
I struggle even now with just Americans school system, I feel like I'd completely fail in Japan.
same
on the bright side, if you plan to stay and work in America, your major and how well you do in said major is more important than what college you end up goin to. In Japan, its all about which university you went to, not the major (unless your gonna do research), hell the grades barely even matter. "Went to Tokyo University (equivalent to US IV League schools for Japan)? Had a barely passing GPA of 2.0 in English Studies? We'll take you, your formal language training starts tomorrow!" Imagine if all companies in the US Only wanted to hire IV league graduates, regardless of the major.
Oh, and I forgot to mention there's a "hiring season" (think its Spring time), fail to find a job during that season and your pretty screwed for the year. Had plenty of friends get unnecessarily over stressed during that period.
There is too much truth to this. It's all about the branding, really, and sounding confident enough.
Shad Shade both education systems have their own problems, id say a LOT of school educations around the world need to change and be more adaptive to the students needs
You havent tried Indonesian system.......
A little comment on tests most people miss: they do not reward brilliance. If you can only score max - say 10/10 - how do you show when a kid is a genius? In Finish (and Danish schools - where I work) - we do an individual evaluation of the kids in the youngest classes. If a kid reads Shakespear in 4th grade or explains quantum physics in 6th, they won't just get a "perfect" mark, they'll get noticed and challenged to become even better. Tests only punish those the system have failed to teach, and it doesn't even reward those who are naturally gifted...
It sounds to me as though the Danes have their priorities straight.
Well, not all Danes... The politicians really just want numbers... But thank you.
Don't get this wrong - as a teacher I REALLY want to evaluate my kids so I can plan my classes accordingly, but what use is a finite number when measuring how well a child is doing?
I want to be able to tell the brilliant kid he's lazy for only reading 100 pages, and I want be able to tell the kid with an abusive alkoholic father, that just reading under the blanket five minutes a night is a fantastic achievement. I don't need a number for that.
Magnus Nygaard
Magnus Nygaard
French here, and victim of of the education system of my country.
TL;DR I'm an Aspie with a high IQ (though I take that last one with a pinch of salt), and I've been regularly crushed by a system that basically asks a fish to climb a tree, and is very punishing when the fish fails to do so, instead of figuring out another way to teach things. Sadly, we tend to have classes with too many children (up to 30/40), so it's very difficult for the teachers to efficiently take care of all their students.
Longer story: Personally, the only memorable year I have as a student was my final highschool year. It was in what we call a "general highschool" (focused solely on academics, as opposed to technical/professional schools), and I was in the literature section. At that time, this section was widely disregarded by the entire school, and treated as "the garage" (or the garbage for failing students), just because the classes are heavily focused on literature, languages, philosophy, history/geography/geopolitics... I was in a fairly "large class" for a Literature class, we were 14 students. And it was awesome! I seriously got along with my philosophy teacher (and owe her a lot), we had a lot of fun in literature (partially because one of the books selected for my year was "Endgame" by Samuel Beckett, and the teacher was a massive fan of Beckett), was brilliant in history/geography (I actually got the highest grades of the entire promotion for that exam at the Baccalaureate)... It was the busiest year of my life, I had 42 hours of class per week, but it was also highly rewarding: I had 5 hours of Italian (my third language) to prepare for the final exam and the CELI (italien equivalent of the TOEIC), and I was a part of the art club (our activities launched its popularity). The Literature class I was part of was so exceptional that we actually managed to change the way our school would view that speciality. After we graduated, the class apparently doubled in numbers.
That's the type of school I want. A school where people work as a team and encourage each other, where there is an active dialogue with the teachers and the administration. It's imo the best way to learn and enjoy going to school.
It seems like most of the individuals interviewed here are quite young. I would be interested in hearing reactions from older Japanese people since I would expect that the responses would be considerably different. Great video nonetheless!
i thought the same thing.It wld be interesting to hear what older ple think of their system.
Damn.. I feel as if even though Japan as a country is advanced, everyone there hates living. Careers seem the same as school with too much overtime and anyone who doesn't go to school deciding to take up a career not needing school is looked down upon
20 HOURS A WEEK?!?! IVE DONE 24 HOURS THIS WEEK ALREADY! IVE GOTTA MOVE TO FINLAND!
Taneya Williams here in México you do like 30 to 40 hours a week
Haydee Michaelis yeahh and sometime you dont learn nothing 😂😂 I went to public school in DF and I didnt learn nothing...when I move to Tijuana I attended a private school and there I learnt and get transfered to a college in the U.S. (Hay un gran problema en el sistema educativo de Mexico tambien, que necesita cambiar.)
Vi Ma yo estoy en una escuela privada en Ciudad Juarez y neta que me la estoy pasando de la verga pero igual logro pasar
Haydee Michaelis I know!! Yo solia pensar que las escuelas privadas eran mas faciles asi como la escuela publica, que maldita equivocacion cometi 😂😂 Ahorita estoy en UCI y la verdad me siento como si estubiera de nuevo en la escuela publica me acostumbre tanto a que me trajeran en ch***a los maestros......hasta ya lo extraño lol !
Vi Ma ay no yo lo que quiero es acabar la prepa que ya debí haber acabado pero igual por culpa mía y de que unos maestros de plano me reprobaban por que si me atrase :/
what happened in Japan also happened in Indonesia education system. it affects not only in school, but later in the workplace too. they afraid to speak up, tend to be not confident, inflexible, and just follow the status quo. it will be best if your next video will be about the workplace condition in Finland 👍
it's not just Japan, it's an Asian mindset with regards to education where parents think better grades = better pay = more happiness. Given the population of Asia I suppose people think grades are a good way to filter people applying for jobs
Logica "that's what the entertainment industry is for" i dunno man.
Logica Y'know a lot of Japanese youth kill themselves? they just so happen to be in a rigorous claimed school. Coincidental?
+Logicai You do know that every countries in europe has its own educatinal system and in the video they speak only about finland so i don't see why you speak about the whole europe.
Happiness increases cognitive development. the entertainment industry by and large decreases happiness. your argument is flawed.
My girlfriend is Japanese (I'm living in Japan right now), and the other day, we discussed about our future of raising kids, I didn't really have a preference of whether it'd be in or out of Japan but without any biased suggestions she immediately said that it would be best to have the kids study outside of the Japanese education system. She said that it was a bad environment where competition is bad, but also that the social circles of the schools results in bullying especially if you're of mixed blood.
Not to mention working in a Japanese company I also see what one was saying that the manners in schools also trickled down to work culture. The upper management would mostly give orders without really giving reasons as to why this has happened. Like my CEO would ask to increase elevator music to prevent company secrets from leaking out, only resulting in headaches for people and people talking even louder during the ride.
RNA yup, that's what the video was talking about and I've seen it first hand
RNA yes I do notice that, and the fact you're pointing a lot of obvious points to someone who's been living in Japan for 10 years. As for your analysis I see it very shallow in that you lack knowledge of Japanese culture. It's not that they can't balance their life or afraid to expand their social circle. Rather it's the work expectance they've been given by the superiors, most of whom are still using the showa philosophy, that makes them prioritize work and sacrifice their social life, hence the result of why they dont expand it. So they can only recluse back to their high school/ University circle where they had the chance to socialize.
No problem. As a final what's described doesn't really relate to every Japanese population, it can apply to a lot of the sales people in the big cities because they are evaluated by how much they sell, and a lot of them are really hard to hit targets that's really hard to achieve.
I think it's all about culture. Finnish schools amplify the effectiveness of a culture that is inquisitive by nature and has no tight hierarchal structure. I think if the Finnish system was implemented in western countries like the UK, Denmark, France or even the US, I think it might work. But in asian culture, it's mostly similar to what we heard in this video and how the "relaxed education" failed. First of all, asian education (including informal education from parents since we were kids) is pretty much the teacher (or parent) tells us what to do, so there is not much critical thinking/rational thinking. What makes it worse is certain parties (teachers/headmasters/education boards) have KPI or targets to meet. If there were no tests, how would they show that the system they implemented has worked? They need these numbers to show to the boss they did their work.
I was fortunate enough to go through a western and eastern education. I went to a British early primary school. Although it was just for a short period, the effects and the way the system teaches us to think got stuck in me. Although not as good as Finnish education, British education does teach you critical thinking and the most important thing is they don't spoon feed you with facts, instead they do experiments to investigate why something is the way it is. I guess this part was what stuck with me and pretty much defines the way I think.
But after coming back to Asia (Malaysia) the education system was pretty much focused on memorising (at least when I was in school back then). It really didn't suit the way I think and I always think that the way I think is so different from everybody else. So, all throughout my primary and secondary and even undergraduate studies, I was pretty much average. Not bad, but not too great as well. I did do better in some subjects but mostly average.
Only recently I found myself excelling in my Masters degree, since it's focus is on critical thinking and problem solving, something I'm very good at.
So basically I think it's not entirely about the education system, it's about the culture of the people. Like the Finnish teacher said, they teach their kids to be Happy whereas in Asia we are taught education is to get you a good job. Finnish policy is for kids to be happy, good relations with family, society etc. and when you have these type of people graduating from your schools, they WILL make a better world. As compared to asian culture, education = better work = better money (generally). How are you gonna create a better world?
Thank you for thought provoking comment.
I've kind of had the same education as yours, and totally agreed with you. I have to add tho that as education is base on the culture of people, a culture is also defines by the education given to those people (and we all know how some can manipulated a education system in their favors).
What i'm trying to say is that the education and culture of a group of people is not given but prone to the evolution of what we think gonna make a better world for our children.
I may be wrong but i got the feeling from your comment that implementing any kind of different education system in asian or western actual systems will be a failure. A logic that only works if we think of a culture (or more like a model of society in this context than a whole culture) as something fixed and resolute.
I definitely agree about how the Asian education system focuses mostly on memorization. The reverse probably happened to me. I was super good at memorizing things and so I was constantly on the honors list back in the Philippines. But then I come to America and see that they focus on critical thinking more than memorizing and it really threw me off. But eventually I later realized that you don't really need to memorize anything if you really understand what you're learning about. The more you understand it, the more it makes sense. The more it makes sense, the more naturally you'll remember it --- which is what "learning" is, basically the whole reason behind why we go to school in the first place.
That archaic hierarchical structure is exactly why compared to European culture Asian ones did not change much over large periods of times.
I'm Danish and did almost all of my schooling in Denmark and I have to say your comment is true but I don't think it's purely a cultural thing. In Scandinavia(and Finland) being a teacher is VERY prestigious and takes a lot of time dedication. We have many good quality teachers here because they truly want to be teachers and give it their best. Not every student in Denmark earns 100 marks but we reinforce retaining knowledge and applying it in a practical way is the best way to learn, rather than cramming or storing it for short time use.
Many school systems across the world are generations behind when it comes to education. Luckily kids today are learning from many more sources than just their schools, especially in countries where schools are uninspiring. It's ok for a school day to be hard, or challenging, or even boring, but it must never be uninspiring...
You should also interview Koreans about this if you aren't doing it yet :)
I agree with this. Their economy is still flying high but you can see the strains on society due to the emphasis on education and workload already.
The Japanese education system is terrible. I have students having nervous breakdowns and suffering mental illness because of long term pressure to perform and all for pointless scores that will get them into a university that is too slack and an unemployment system that is hopelessly out of balance with the needs of society and the people. Everyone, go to Finland! Having said that tho. Western education could benefit from the discipline they have here where as Japanese needs the creative thinking, critical thinking and freedom that other countries have.
ヒッツ ポテン all the more reason for Japan to compete!
@ ヒッツ ポテン
sure you do. as much as most european countries. at least you still have enough gold, silver and magnesium. that is more, then people can say, where i am from.
True, and you've made up for it with hard work and human resources. Problem is that now you've got a neighbor that's willing to work just as hard for half the cost (China) and the one resource Japan had, people, is shrinking every single day. Japan is a consumer economy, but every year the number of consumers is shrinking. That tends to be a bad thing. I mean shit, how many years in a row has the Japanese economy contracted?
Which is why what Matthew is saying is so important: you need ideas and innovations to compete in the 21st century, and studying arbitrary, useless information for absurd hours just to forget a couple of days after taking a test is not creating adults who are skilled at creating ideas.
ヒッツ ポテン+ Well Finland doesn't have much natural resources either. Forests and fresh water. That's pretty much it.
For example mining makes only 1,5% of Finnish industry.
@Kagemusha08
yeah, it is kind of true. that is, why a work for a japanese companey. they outsourced a lot of there research department, since people in japan can not openily admited, that they failed at something. on the other hand, we get paied a lot more, then the average japanese engineer to do just that. but it is not, as japan does not realize it has a problem. the question is, how good they can solve it. furthermore i kind of doubt, that a shrinking society is a bad think. it is just important, how god the life is for the average person.
furthermore most of the japanese problemes are homemade by copying the worst traits of western society. on the other hand, changes in japan take always a long time, since the older people are responsible for it. the leads to a stable society, which in most cases is good for the econmey. furtheremore, the bubble economy problemes are kind of over in japan. as a child i can remeber how japan used to be outragely expensive. today it is kind of cheap. even rent & property in tokyo is rather cheap. there are new possiblities, just because the cost in japan are not as high as most people think they are. just to give you a point of reference. the rotring pencils are manufacture in japan, because it is cheaper then in germany ...
These types of interviews and viewpoints are very important. Well done guys really appreciate it.
A "シャーペン" is not a "sharp pen" but a mechanical pencil :)
Hey, Finnish person here. Just wanted to clarify a couple of things from the Michael
Moore documentary.
1. The "no homework" only applies to elementary school (primary school) AND what it actually meant was that there is very little homework in Finland compared to a lot of other countries. Maybe 10-20 minutes, tops. (The minister in the clip chose her words poorly, or it was cut out.)
2.There ARE tests in Finnish schools. If you watch the full documentary, it shows that
it means there are no standardized tests like they have in the US. But students do have tests also in elementary schools, usually one test in every subject per semester (term). Only at the end of high school (upper secondary school) do the students have a standardized test called the matriculation examination.
PISA tests don’t affect the students’ grade (and only some schools get chosen
for that yearly, I think it's random).
3. When they said that the students don’t get grades it only meant elementary school (primary school) students. And by grades they mean the usual numerical grades that older students get, ranging from 4 to 10 (4 means fail). Elementary school students usually get report cards with some personal feedback and non-numerical grades.
For example:
Writing___________G (Good)
Reading___________S(Satisfactory)
Behaviour_________G
Participation_______G
Etc.
Like I said, after elementary school students do get graded. By law they have
to get numerical grades (at the latest) after the 7th grade. Usually they do give numerical grades in the 5th and 6th grades also, even though they are still in elementary school.
Sorry for any grammatical errors.
michael moore is a liar and a radical extremist. asian boss should use more legitimate and reliable video's.
@@joedoe1723 Finland does have extremely good schools though, its a shame no politicians bother to change their schools
damn, Kei's voice is so soothing when he's speaking japanese.
Being an Asian, I definitely can see the education system being ineffective in terms of getting students to think for themselves because it's how we are brought up and raised, believing in the tradition education system paving the way to becoming successful
I'm very glad I discovered this channel. Thank you for these insightful snapshots into life within another society. Definitely gives me something to think about.
Cramming for tests is a complete waste of time for the education system in general, and that's what the Japanese School System seems to excel at. As a society you have to look at what exactly do you want to teach kids growing up, memorize some obscure detail that has no relevance to their lives outside test scores and admittance to a big name university, or actually internalizing something that'll help them figure out how they want to live their life as an adult. Elementary school is good for basic knowledge of things you wouldn't learn at home, but pushing it to the degree that it hurts kids ability to learn socializing and creative expression isn't good.
One thing about Japanese school system, and some other places in Asia and elsewhere is how there's plenty of gender segregated schools, which further drives apart the men and women of the country when they're not socializing together and have little skills for that as adults. That's partly why Japan's long hours of school/juku/work is perhaps the worst thing I see about Japanese society as a whole. Coming from Finland it seems so out of whack, even if I went through my elementary education over 20 years ago when it was more about cramming and tests scores than today.
That said, changing these systems for Japan or any other country is not an easy task since they are such complicated web of different parts. Ultimately people want their kids to have the best chance at success, so they will push cram schools to get into big universities, and I think that's what Japan would need to address first. The parents, teachers, universities and government have to have a unified view of how to improve things, otherwise they'll just circumvent any modicum of change that's made to the system because doing that serves them over others. Unfortunately I think another thing that Japan tends to excel at is making modicums of change that ultimately do not have the desired effect but end just another thing that's done because some higher up at some point thought it was a good idea for some reason.
Asian education system in short :
Don't be creative , don't follow monochromics methodology.
Just work hard constantly with firm path and goal so that other feels anxiety inside them 🤦🏼♀️
Can't blame them , their population is too high , so it's better to follow herd mentality.
Nice Video Asian Boss! My opinion on East Asian education is that it's very nationalistic and I fear that past history hasn't taught these countries yet. No country is perfect, every country has some bad history. I have talked to others and found out that many of Japan's actions during WW2 are omitted from textbooks such as the rape of Nanking or Unit 731. The point isn't to shame a country for that, as I mentioned before everyone has dark pasts. The thing is, not admitting to these things have stirred up tensions again and it only makes it easier for things like this to happen again. There's another UA-camr named Solfa who did a experiment with South Korean, Chinese and Japanese University students. What happened was that when students were asked questions that related to figures of their respective countries, they were the only ones with detailed explanations. The rest either had very little knowledge or none at all. I hope one day Asia is more united and we can stop the Disparity between different countries.
L-The Detective "East Asian education is that it's very nationalistic and I fear that past history hasn't taught these countries yet." This isn't limit to just Asian countries though, western countries are guilty of it too.
Niello Excluding USA, I really don't Know which country does. Europe doesn't seem to omit dark parts of their history (Germany,UK, France at least). Canada also talks about it's treatment of Aboriginals.
L-The Detective I'm going to give you the benefit of doubt that you're not American or British. Otherwise this just reeks of irony.
zoji rushi I'm Canadian.
I think this is a bit funny. I went to an American high school and remember my history book painting America's invasion in Iraq as a good thing when it was anything but. My history book always seemed to start with 9/11 as the start of the invasion but never really talked about how even before that, the U.S.'s terrible policies in the Middle East displaced the countries there so much that 9/11 happened. I also don't remember my history books talking about the Japanese internment camps during WW2. I really only found out about this because Google and the Internet is a very hospitable place for curiosity and research.
Most countries who had any major part in big wars and such probably don't focus too much on bad history and I think there's probably a good reason for that, no matter how debatable it is. Not that it matters too much now with the prevalence of the Internet. It's really only a matter of time that people will start researching on their own about the history of their own countries and they'll find a huge library of sources to choose from. I was born in the Philippines and thought it was interesting how countries portray other countries in their history books.
Interesting video! I would like to specify the no-homework-thing though: you can have homework to do when you are younger, say 1st (7 years old) to 4th grade (10 years old), but they are only small tasks than can be done right after school and then you have plenty of time to play. When you get older the tasks get harder and you get more homework, but you still don't have to spend more than two hours of doing your homework. In high school (16-19 years old) we have test weeks at the end of every term, and then you need to read many books for different subjects, since almost every subject has at least one textbook to read. Also at the end of high school we have a huge test, the matriculation exam, on subjects we choose (a minimum of six) and that is kind of our SATs, because universities will often require the results of your exam to get into that university.
Maybe one reason why the Finnish system as it is wouldn't work in many Asian countries is that there are much more people in the Asian countries than in Finland.
We have only 5 million people in the whole country, so it is easier to separate the great from the other students without testing them so much.
But in Asia, where many cities in Asian countries have five times more people than we do, the testing of students would be required to separate the best students from others.
The Finnish school system isn't quite as relaxed as Michael Moore makes it appear to be. Kids get grades and homework and those who get best grades work hard. But we have no cram schools, the school days are pretty short and the teachers (at least most of them) are good. With love from Finland!!
michael moore is a radical far left propagandist who hate America and tries to make America look bad. his video is very misleading as they were talking about very little kids. however middle and high school has testing and has homework. Imagine that, someone being dishonest on the internet! LOL
Why did you get 90 not 100 😐 if I got 90 i will party for a month non stop
mate, when I was 10 and I did my KS2 exams (basically end of primary school exams in England), I got 100% in every Maths exam and I remember my Mom chatting with my teacher about it and all she said was I should be working at 120%. Being Asian's tough lmao
yazeed alsharif yep thats what I did when I got high score but not really party-ing the whole month but still having fun and all. when my grades went bad n I just dont want my parents to brag abt it then they would be just Ok as long as I realize that laziness aint got me nowhere and helloooo im asian :)
If I ever got a 90 I'd consider it a miracle and wouldn't give a shit what my parents said. I'd be proud af in myself. Lol
Bloopys Kay wow i never thought about studying 🤔
Got a 100% on a quiz last week didn't even study. School is pretty easy for me.
There is homework in Finland.
Japanese only tend to overlook childhood boredom and over-studying because as parents they want their child to have the absolute best future.. so they imagine, once the child graduates they can have all the "fun" and success!
but of course once they graduate, the working world is just as strict, if not more so than education... so it's just an endless cycle of work hard, be the best.
but that also doesn't mean they dont have time to have fun, it's just probably a little less than more relaxed countries.
Sha・Ne・Ru “little bit”
My country is the most hard working and still manages to be happier than Japan. Why? Because the works is more relaxed
like I keep saying the West is more relaxed, where Asia is strict, because Asia lives for society where the West is about individualism.
Well Finland isn't particularly individualist country. In certain areas it is, somewhat, but in others not so much.
Collectivism is sometimes divided to horizontal and vertical collectivism. In horizontal collectivism equality is emphasized and people are expected to engage in sharing and cooperation. In vertical collectivism hierarchy is emphasized and people are expected to submit certain authorities. Finland is a good example of the first one, whereas Japan is relatively good example of the latter one. They are both rather collective and non-egocentric societies, but in a slightly different way.
I think in Finland there's always a pressure to go towards the average, whereas in Japan there more pressure to do as well as the best ones do. To make clearer what I mean, Finns often avoid standing out in a negative or positive way relative to the average, whereas Japanese avoid standing out in a negative way relative to the best.
Sounds pretty weird, but as I Finn I can confirm it is true. It's not entirely a good thing either, but that's just how it is. The good thing about that, however, is that being an average is far easier for most of us than being the best or nearly the best. It potentially makes you feel better about yourself, more happy and you don't have as much pressure to succeed.
***** But Asia is about the society, where the West is about individualism, individualism is view as selfish in Asia.
Well, the tradition of collectivism is mostly due to the Confucionism, that always taught the emphasis and importance on the family, nation and society than on the individual.
@@tyynymyy7770 You're hot in thinking!
western systems are absolute garbage too though. Finland and Iceland are the only countries that have a good system, and they're socialist countries that focus more on the group than individualism. If the west had Asia's system our crime rates, college admissions, etc would be much better. Finland is obviously still a better system though, or Singapore
Thank you for doing this video. This topic is just so important. Hearing opinions from Japanese people brings just more insight into the education of this advanced and culturally-rich nation.
Great work in getting so authentic and honest perspectives!
very informative video..after watching this I realised I never studied hard in my whole school life.but it was full of fun. thanks Asian boss..a lot more informative videos expecting from you
I am so happy to see Kei interviewing again :) Good work, Asian Boss, as usual!
Really interresting ! Thanks for all of your work !
I had a student and teacher experiences in Japan. And yes, at some point Japan need to change their education system and culture. I get stressed as a student because my teacher cannot help me if I have a question about things that I don’t understand. And they don’t want you to ask question. As a teacher, the school expect unnecessary perfection from their students, which drives both parties crazy. All their study book is only about memorizing and when they bumped into a different situation they cannot resolved it! Now, we are worrying about our child.
Asian education system in short :
Don't be creative , don't follow monochromics methodology.
Just work hard constantly so that other feels anxiety inside them 🤦🏼♀️
So sad,here in México you don't learn in the right way,the system doesn't teach you usefull stuff sometimes but also they want you to remember a entire book that you will forget with the time,sometimes they don't care how the students feel but also they are always watching out if you take out a sweater to get away the cold if the teachers see you with a sweater they will take it away because is not ok with the uniform.
there are worse experiences in school obviously but srsly the system have to change
(sorry for my bad english if i have an error)
Haydee Michaelis not everywhere in Mexico dude, I had a great education because I motivated myself to be better even if the odds aren't in my favour, I wasn't a good student back in Mexico because everything was "memorize this and then copy it on the exam" and that's not who I am, I like to think outside the box and find solutions, it is up to one to find knowledge, if you wait to be spoon fed you turn yourself into a sheep and don't live happy with yourself because you see everyone having success while you are just grabbing what they give you. I am currently studying abroad in Japan my major and it's the same thing as in Mexico, but here I atleast broad myself with many other international students and their way of learning. Just don't bash the system because you don't learn, it is up to you to gain knowledge and skills.
RandoMochi Lit Tienes toda la razon. En Mexico muchas veces nos enseñan cosas inutiles, y hay materias que no tienen ningun sentido (valores, orientacion educativa), no tienen valor curricular, y la las repruebas podrias repetir el año. Tambien hay maestros que pareciera que quieren reprobarte a proposito. Te revisan los cuadernos a ver si los tienes completos (con todos los ejercicios, trabajos, etc), y aunque pases el examen, por los cuadernos te pueden reprobar.a veces, aparte del examen te cuentan tantas cosas para la calificacion, que aunque repruebes el examen pasas con 6 si tienes todo lo demas, aunque ni hayas aprendido nada. Y las cosas van de mal en peor. La diciplina de los alumnos esta por los suelos: hacen lo que se les place e ignoran a los maestros. Mucho de esto lo digo por experiencia.
After seeing this video, I'll go to my processors rooms and tell them their assignments are pure fucking bullshit. Wish me luck 😎☻
leave us a nice report of how it goes
farts mcgee Considering he didn't even spell professors right, it won't go well at all.
Tommy Trillfiger I accidentally did a typo, OH LORD A DID A SIN! PLEASE FORGIVE ME!
Tommy Trillfiger haha good catch there. Did not see that coming 😂
Very interesting! The differences in the two education systems is astounding.
When I've spoken to friends who've either gone to Japan on exchange, or friend I've made in Japan, the general consensus I get is that the learning process is no more or less difficult than it is in the 'west'. I often hear that the entry requirements and tests are far more difficult than the material is once entry is gained.
I've not been through it myself but it seems as though it creates undue and unnecessary stress for nearly everyone involved and that many students, at least in Japan, might be better served by trying to get the same education in another country. That way they can just focus on learning versus the crippling pressure of trying to do it at home. One would have to take secondary language classes seriously but even that, I am told, is less stressful than studying and testing to get into UoT.
Certainly others will have a different perspective, and I am an outsider with 2nd hand 'experience'; however from all the stories shared with me it seems those who run the 'system' could stand to step back and relax a bit. The fact that many people who don't make it will never have another chance is also and incredible waste of potential and resources.
The only true criticism I have of the system (and any system that does so) is training people to be 'salary-men' it seems many people are trained to work for someone else rather than truly think and grow for themselves. They are educated the expectation that they will work at 'huge corporation A' or 'national conglomerate b' rather than striving for something greater. They'll no doubt have a good life if they find the work is right for them, but they will never truly be their best self.
Thank you for making a video about "Education", because it's important and we should talk about it more.
Finnish here. When I was in the Finnish education system around 10 years ago, we did have quite a lot of homework. I asked my friends, who have kids if they still have homework and they still do, but not that much it seems. Another good point that wasn't shown on this video, but which is the Michael Moore's video is the fact that teachers get paid for preparing the classes and actually have time to do it properly. This has an effect on the quality too.
The sad thing is Australia is gradually moving towards a similar system to Japan - standardised testing is now nation wide. We need to be moving the other way, but our leaders are always 30-40 years behind in their understanding.
Recently moved to japan, never been more stressed about school, homework, and grades in my entire life.
Very interesting! I've discussed similar things with my English students here. Thank you for this video!
Finland, you are amazing!
Love your videos ! Please never stop!
Nice video !
It's interesting to talk about this "without ranking" school system to the super-ranking japenese system
Another video about what are the good points and bad points of japenese educational system according to japenese people could be interesting!
Moreover, I would like to lean more about other asian education systems (like china, India), I think it could be a great subject, explain by Chinese, Indian ...!
HEY ASIAN BOSS I LUV YOUR VIDEOS
i have to agree that this is pretty much the norm with asian style education. respect the teacher and do not question them. My math teacher was like even if the answers right, if we didnt follow her method it was wrong. We are all taught to be yes people. I am an adult now but i am embaressed to acknowledge how severely lacking I am in critical thinking and forming opinions.
Japanese education system isn't suddenly failing. It has always been a failure. It is all based on memorization. After the test is done, most of it is lost and the value of memorized information without knowing how to use it is pretty useless anyway. The same system is in Korea and China. If the system worked, those countries would have a lot more high performing professionals and scientists
Laugh. Typical American ignorance. China, Japan, SKorea are world top 10 economies:
GDP nominal … population (wiki):
1. US 21 trillion … 330m, #3
2. China 14t … 1.4b, #1
3. Japan 5t … 126m, #11
4. Germany 3.8t … 83m, #19
10. SKorea 1.6t … 51m, #27
Not possible without lots of high performing professionals, scientists.
China, Japan, SKorea are among the few countries that: have companies in Global 500 (32 countries), Biosafety Level 4 labs (21); self-design & produce automobiles (14), high speed rail trains (7), destroyers (13), submarines (9); can launch satellites into orbit (13); top 5 in semiconductor manufacturing.
@@sky2evan Asian economic success has relied on cheap labor and borrowing or stealing USA ideas and technology more than education or intelligence or new ideas. Once the Asian country labor gets more expensive, economic growth stops. Look at Japan, Korea, Taiwan. China is next. There is nothing new or special or innovative about any of the Asian economic success stories. They are all based on cheap labor, cheap production, and low currency values.
Japan does have great scientists, won 24 scientific and medicine Nobel prizes behind USA, Britain, Germany and France in those fields.
Yo I went to a top cram school every day after school and got top 10 marks now I’m unemployed lol
@@105Rpg If you live in the USA, there is no reason for you to be unemployed today. Every company I know is looking for people.
I'd like to hear more on this topic; especially in regards to any alternative schools/curriculums of which people are aware.
The core problem here is plain memorization I think. It's very hard to deal with people raised like that :/ . No matter how authoritative you are that guy would go "but that can't be right!" because what I told him to do goes against what he was taught before me. Explaining the inner common logic behind both ways of doing it (i.e. WHY he was taught like this, why it was universal idea and why new idea will work better) doesn't help much: "Well... your science thing is sound and all, but that's not how I was taught".
Bottom line: just memorizing facts without understanding the core principles involved is just stupid.
I'd like to see a wider range of people/ages interviewed. These kids haven't come full circle yet. As a parent of kids in the Japanese system there are negatives for sure, but the positives, compared to schools in my country are much greater. As an aside, subtitles were much better on this vid than I've seen on some.
These are really outstanding well spoken liberal thinking Japanese, not representative of everyday Japanese people I think. So nice to hear well thought out, sensitive answers. There is hope. Thanks for these thought provoking interviews.
I am from India and I remember some news news channel covered this topic of how Finland education system work. There are no fix book for a particular subject. They have references book like we have in college.
Can you put english subtitles even when speaking in english?? I'm brazilian and i'm not really good at listen and the subtitles helps alot for me :/ btw good video.
The mic quality in this video is AMAZING!
I work at a public middle school in Japan as an English assistant language teacher and while there's definitely some brilliant or good students, at least half of every class is mediocre or terrible. My school also had a problem with students not participating or taking notes in class, sleeping in class, and not doing their homework. The homework they have for English is very easy: copy the four to twelve new words and phrases from the book; look those words up from the back of the text book; and copy the text for the page for the next class if it's required and they're very short. Simple yet many don't do it. But I can understand why: until high school, their grades really don't matter. The bad at English, lazy, and wild kids just get passed through the school system until they can legally leave the school system of their own volition. They didn't mention that...
Who wants to hear parents responses about that documentary and the responses from these youngsters in this video?
Very interesting to learn more about different cultures especially from those within that culture
um, heck no. I'm really happy ever since I left the Asian education system (Pakistani to be exact), but then again, I do think that that way of teaching made me learn a lot, probably the reason I excelled in American high school without ever needing to learn anything as I already knew everything from like 6th or 7th grade (While being in 11th grade in the US).
most of high school was just repeats of the same stuff from the previous year, besides maybe math and art class.
i remember when studying in western countries, an A- is an Aisan F.....lol
Unfortunately, that exactly what happening with education system in my country (Russia) lately. Because of recent system of exams, scholars have to memorize a lot of information that they will definitely forget just after leaving the exam room. If you didn't pass the exam - you can't go to ANY university and have to wait one more year for new exam. But, at the same time we haven't any school activity so children even can't to work with their stress there.
I’m Chinese and I feel that most of east Asia have the same education system
I think one thing that the Japanese education system needs to change is to shift away from the obsolete teacher-centred learning model towards student-centred learning. AFAIK Japan operates under the old model that a teacher is a font of all knowledge and students are expected to passively absorb that teacher's knowledge. Modern teaching sees the teacher more as a director of learning.
Students should be doing more work than teachers in the classroom, after all, it's the students who are meant to be doing the learning. The teacher is there as a guide rather than a repository of knowledge. Simply feeding information to students isn't as effective in teaching as guiding students to discover that knowledge for themselves.
:c. This sometimes happens in other countries too... I live in Europe and when I'd get a 5 they'd ask why not a 6 (the highest, "extra" grade here, like the american A+). After some time I just realised I will never be good enough so I stopped trying hard and just settled on getting our equivalent of Bs. :|. And till this day I'm so critical of everything I do, even including non-academic activities as art, that it's hard to ever be happy about anything. It's never good enough.
Thanks Kei, very interesting
2:06 is such a good example of Asian school system. What's crazy is like, if a rule has a reason, fine, but everyone should be able to answer why that rule exists. And if it's an outrageous rule, there should be a means to get rules changed like a suggestion box or a committee to oversee these things. When upper management changes rules without representation from students/teachers in the classroom, it leads to even stranger rules that either don't address the problem or further exacerbate it.
I don't know if the Japanese system is good or not but I can say without a doubt, Japanese people give the best in depth thought through logical answers I've heard. They should give themselves more credit. They are very intelligent as a general rule from what I gather.
I really wonder if the use of progressive tense in the title is correct. I work in the Japanese education in Japan. The real test should be: "Can I survive in an ever changing environment?". Scores do not mean much. Performance does.
Well I live in France and there in middle school we finish at 17h (5pm) and in highschool at 6pm. Not every day, but it's possible. Plus the transports, plus activities (sport, music..), plus homework, exams etc. It really is an exhausting schoollife, to me at least, so I can relate with this video. Moreover, teachers can be really mean.. Like, I was traumatized in middle school by the languages and math teachers. I was really timid and stressed and the english/spanish teachers always liked to tell me "speak louder !! Why do your face turns red?? Go to the board so that everyone can see how stressed you are and how bad you do!" (Those are real thing they'd say to me..). One time, I was like 13, I peed on myself because the math teacher, really severe, was yelling on me, so I started balbutiating, which was infuriating all of those teachers, i felt so much fear that I had to pee and i couldn't control my body.... I knew so many humilations really 😔
I always had a fear of teacher, bc when I entered primary school, i had a physical abusive teacher that once gave a child, who did bad at a test, his own test to eat it (yes the sheet).
It was still early 2000s at this time, now if a teacher'd do that he would be expelled inmediately though
But well, it's still really traumatazing.
You can feel free to share your own school life experience :)
In my case, it's what we can call the "school of life" that taught me a lot of things !
My father use to say ,' an ordinary teacher will only teach you his subject, but a great teacher will teach you many things not only from his subjects and will also lets you know what kind of abilities you have.
That Michael Moore's video is misleading. We had homework, expect maybe in 1. & 2. grade, but not very much and often if you were quick enough you could do them during the class. My little brother and sister are still at school-age and they do have homework too.
Also the number of school hours depends on your age. Minimum number of hours per week for
1 - 2. grade is 19 hours
3. grade is 22 hours
4. grade is 24 hours
5 - 6. grade is 25 hours
7 - 9. grade is 30 hours
Finnish schools also DO HAVE TESTS AND SCORES. They're not just emphasized as much as in Japan, for example. The first time when you grades start to matter is when you finish 9. grade and apply to college / trade school.
My thoughts exactly, quite misleading. We have tests and homework, just less than other countries. Also to get to a high school of our likening we had to keep a certain average score. There is just not much pressure because we have lots of options.
High school is a whole different league with homework, essays and koeviikko(we had 5 terms in a school year in which we had a test week on the courses at the end of every term).
ok but his voice 2:01 is awesome!!!! omg i could listen to him all day. ^ω^
Speaking of which, do other countries organize class sections in a certain order? Here, there's first section (top students and honors) and last section (students with lowest grades) and they're based on grades from the previous school year. So it's basically a ranking. I'm usually in the second to the last or middle sections. Lol
Wait, so how do they judge the finnish system is the best if there's no scores saying so?
JTCGiantz56 students in different countries do exams that make their score in PISA rankings.
excelent video. I´m an English teacher in Mexico and it's the same with our educational system.
It was stressful for me as well when I studied in Korea. Even though there were less exams than what I have here in the Philippines, it was stressful to go to academy after going to school, I also had to go to academy on vacation times to prepare for the new school semester exam, and the exams itself are stressful because you have the exam paper, but you also have the official exam marker.
Anyways, I'm happy that I'm back here in tge Philippines. Even though sometimes internet or other services are uncomfortable and long, but I feel it's a better life here than in Korea.
Fun fact, the place that we live in the Philippines is nicknamed the "California of Asia". So, yes, there are many foreigners not only in that place, but also at school.
Not to the point of following strict rules but the memorizing and answering correctly as told by teachers is a norm in my european country. Things are starting to change but it takes a while.
one system is base on students preexisting stats, if your parent can afford the best you go to the best. A class system basically, for Finland they view all students with equal base and everyone build on each other.
When I was in Primary school I pretty much studied for about 11-13 hours daily. There aren't many cram schools here in Singapore (Are there? If there is I've never seen one XD) but instead, there are plenty of tuition centres and student cares. I spent 5/6 of my Pri school life going to student care everyday except weekends and like Christmas or something and I swear I hated it so much. My primary school starts at about 8am and ends at about 1.30pm. Then I go to student care until 6.30pm (there is tuition daily). When I reach home I do my homework until like 9-10pm or something then I go relax and sleep. So glad I got out of that place. I study better alone :)
As I'm watching every video of ASIAN BOSS... I've just wondered how the people being interviewed could give such smart spontaneous answers without notes...
Good video, but please make a followup. Is Japanese education system effective? Japanese English skills seem to be low, especially for an industrialized country. But Japanese science and engineering are strong - these scientist and engineers had to come from somewhere. Also a comparison against Singapore and against Israel would be interesting.
In my country we dont have homework during weekends because its family day our class is only 7 hours. Monday to Friday class no weekends.
"No homework"
Now that is a blatant lie
3:12 残念ながら、インドの学生も同じです。テストが終わったらすぐ全部忘れちゃう 😔
Imaging how i memorized one sentence by reading "our most important cash crop is Cotton" 10x without any slightest idea of what the actually is CASH CROP. We didn't ask cuz of scare of being scolded to keeping quiet in a class nor teacher were telling. It happens in India.
Yaay, education!
Asia places a very different kind of emphasis on education, it would be wishful to expect the finnish model to work here. I'm sure people in every country will have bad things to say about their education system because they've personally experienced the annoying parts of it. The positives however show up in things like high test scores here which is hard for someone who hated school to take seriously.
But can we agree that the Japanese people are smart and industrious and that the education system is amongst the reasons why?
This video gave me an insight of the Japanese education system which is very similar to the Indian education system.
second to last guy hit me in the feels
Education system of Asia is a mental gym. It train for mental toughness, to compete, to work under pressure, be on task, self sacrifices for greater good, resilience, endurance etc.
Then hopefully they are mentally prepared for anything life throw at them.
The video they watch comes from "Where to invade", I just saw that video the day before yesterday.
To me its like,
India- competition focused education system
Japan- discipline focused education system
Finland-passion focused education system