I didn’t think Rainbow had a well known enough catalogue to include in a discussion like this, but when Pete explains the albums he chose and why it makes more sense.
I appreciate your love of music and trying new concepts.... Even if I don't quite understand. I don't listen to much of the music groups you like, but I often learn from your discussions.
1) Rainbow (a raw version of what was to come): Rocka Rolla 2) Rising (early masterpiece): Sad Wings of Destiny 3) Long Live Rock n' Roll (great but flawed): Sin After Sin 4) Down to Earth (The best of both Worlds: artsy and accessible): Hell Bent for Leather 5) Difficult to Cure (The start of the accessible era): British Steel 6) Straight Between the Eyes (even lighter): Point of Entry 7) Bent Out of Shape (commercial with lots of keyboards): Turbo 8) Stranger in Us All (weak album by a scattered "band"): Demolition
Show suggestion: Album classics I don‘t get/like, no matter how hard I try Could be in a special genre or all over the place. I am sure it would make a fun show for an episode with Martin, the HVS or the UKC.
It always makes me laugh the way Martin describes the way he feels about music. Especially when he says it makes him feel "depressed, or it sounds clanky or cranky.😅😅 still waiting for Martins Kate Bush ranking show.
@@samuel8412Pete also has his own musical preferences when it comes to musical production. Number 1 he likes music that's "Rockus", and the album must have "heft".
I had a harder time with this This episode. I'm not being broad minded enough here. Still entertained, amused and thought provoked. There are no right or wrong answers because it all comes out of personal cogitation, histories and perspectives. However... At the beginning of this episode I interpreted the assignment a little more specific, especially with Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow: Phenomenal guitar player leaves one of the most ground breaking rock bands and starts a new band with the most amazing singer, etc. And mentally I went forward from there. I'm not going to list anything today. Cheers to you both, sea, and cheers to all of the chat.
I would compare the Aerosmith debut to the pre Schenker UFO albums. I always noticed that Dream On sounded like it was recorded 5 years later than the other songs
I would say that Uriah Heep's "Down to Earth" album is Firefly! New singer and bass player, more commercial sound, even the album cover has some similarities (earth - moon - sky - rainbow)
This worked for Led Zep because were all familiar with the catalog. Maybe if you do this again I would choose bands such as Beatles, Kiss, The Who or the Doors.
But, there were plenty of people who it didn't work for because they aren't familiar with the LZ catalog. Rainbow is a very popular band here among our viewers, and it's a fairly short catalog, which is why we picked them. Beatles, KISS, etc have way larger catalogs.
On Your Feet or On Your Knees is one that has me scratching my head about song selection similar to On Stage. Both albums that came out right after the band's arguably best album but didn't opt to include the big epic tracks or album openers. OYFOOYK had more songs, but both feel like missed opportunities to me.
I guess it all depends on the quality of live concert recordings from that tour that they had to choose from. If you look at Thin Lizzy's "Live And Dangerous", UFO's "Strangers In The Night" and Hawkwind's "Space Ritual", all three of those live albums were compiled from the best recordings from multiple concerts - and all three of them now have been released in expanded formats where all of the concerts used for the original material have now been properly mixed and released. OYFOOYK would be a really good album to do that with, if the entire recordings of those original concerts are still available, of course.
@@terrydaktyllus1320They should have done 2 original songs, instead of the boring I Ain't Got You, and Born to be Wild. Some Enchanted Evening had much better choices for cover songs. ETL really blew it with including the most boring song ever recorded, the draggy Boogie down Roadhouse Blues. Rainbow should have included Run With the Wolf instead of Still I'm Sad
Just my opinion: some ideas sound cool in the planning stage but not so much in practice. Perhaps if you had limited it to a few albums: A band's Led Zeppelin I to IV? After a while i felt like I was just listening to album titles without any real meaning. Again, just my take on it.
I don't think Led Zeppelin was a good choice as a band for this concept. Firstly, they had the same lineup throughout their entire recording history so you can't look at times when, say, the singer changed and make comparisons that way. Secondly, I think that if you didn't know anything by Led Zeppelin but you understood how rock music changed between 1969 and 1980 (i.e. Zeppelin's start to end recordings), you'd be able to put the albums in time order just by listening to them and without knowing the years they were actually released, because you can "detect" a natural progression from album to album. The same could also be said of The Beatles. Of course I am a big Zeppelin fan but there is nothing "surprising" in how they progressed from album to album - so I don't think they are a good band to use as a baseline. Rainbow, because of the line-up changes and "less obvious" path through their albums, might be a better band to do this with.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 to us, LZ was a perfect choice...their first 2 albums are the most blues based, but classic and groundbreaking & heavy, the 3rd had the most folk elements and at the time a big surprise, the 4th is their iconic album, the 5th is their most eclectic and varied, the mammoth double album, the misunderstood album, the somewhat messy live album, the odd final album, and the posthumous album.
@@seaoftranquilityprog Agreed, but I still think each album is a "natural progression" from one to the other - absolutely well crafted in each case but nothing you'd say is "before its time" or "unusually sounding" for its era. Still, you've achieved your aim because you've got me thinking about Led Zeppelin in a different way now! I've never liked "The Song Remains The Same" that much anyway - it is so overproduced that it's not a "live" album to me. I've always preferred "How The West Was Won" as my definitive live Led Zeppelin album.
Well I'd agree, I bailed after a few minutes. They are discussing what they love. keep in mind, when you consider how many vids they put out, these guys use the platform for social time with each other more than views. It's not a primary career.....makes it unique and not as "views" reliant as other channels
Super saiyan level discussion for musicologist. You really have to know your bands primary discography for this topic. Love it. Another way to look at it is if you like one album in the category, try others in the same category.
I don't remember Robin Trower - Twice Removed From Yesterday ever being mentioned on SOT. Their usual albums are Boston - Boston, Clash - London Calling, David Bowie, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin , and ZZ Top. I find this particular show as something a bit different. I like all the shows , but I don't understand why anyone is complaining about them bringing up the same albums. There's definitely releases on this show that aren't brought up on regular basis
From Australia , would love to see you do something in depth on TEN YEARS AFTER one of my favourite Rock bands of the late 60s early 70s era along with DEEP PURPLE on course , Alvin Lee was a monster on guitar , very underrated unfortunately.
This kinda works because so many bands have similar career trajectories. Y'all remember VH1 Behind the Music? Mini-documentaries about various bands/artists. The joke was if you saw one of these shows you saw them all because of the all the similarities. Not that things are identical and sure there are plenty of nuances, but due to the nature of the industry - and maybe art in general - you will get these patterns.
Another parallel between On Stage and Made in Europe: the unnecessarily extended versions of songs that were quite short on the album. Made in Europe has “You Fool No One” occupying most of side 2 on the vinyl, and BOTH albums have really tedious performances of “Mistreated”.
I would compare Rainbow - Long Live Rock and Roll with Warner Bros Presents Montrose in atmosphere. Both have some high energy songs, and some depressing bad drug trip moments. I would consider Montrose - Whaler, a combination of the Rainbow songs Gates of Babylon, and Rainbow Eyes. If you read the album credits , some of the same classical instruments were featured on the three aforementioned tracks
Of all the bands to compare to Rainbow out there. The Who has never come to mind. I do most of my easy drinking to the songs of Kansas, my Hard drinking is reserved for Black Sabbath Vol 4 . A nice deep dive into depression with Under the Sun, and St Vitus Dance.
Love the concept guys; I would agree w Martin on the Aerosmith comparison; always perceived that 1st one as a Steve Tyler record, similarly w Rainbow -that one all Ritchie (with a touch of Joe Perry and RJD put in)…
I am not au fait with Rainbow's catalog, as a number of commenters here have concurred. But the show is fun anyway. I don't have a clue what Rainbow album is what, but Pete and Martin explain it very well. I am willing to give any concept they have a go and this one is interesting.
Parallels with the first 3 studio albums with Ronnie: Motörhead: s/t, overkill, bomber Saxon: s/t, wheels of steel, strong arm of the law Parallels with the 3 Joe Lynn Turner albums: Y&T : black tiger, mean streak, in rock we trust Triumph: progressions of power, allied forces, never surrender. April Wine: nature of the beast, power play, animal grace
Rainbow on stage lookalikes are funny enough very related too (Dio on 2 of the 3, the Sabbath connection on 2 of the 3): Black Sabbath Live Evil Ozzy Osbourne Speak of the Devil All of these are released after just 2 Studio albums!
When I think of double live albums,I think of the pre-punk/new wave 70’s. Classic single live albums: James Brown at The Apollo,Jerry Lee Lewis-Live at The Star Club,Hamburg. Donny Hathaway Live. Re:Deep Purple Made In Europe was a posthumous release,soon after MK4 Purple broke up. It reigned in most of Glenn Hughes’s vocal over-elaborations. GH’s Bass playing is fantastic throughout.The individual solos are largely confined to ‘You Fool No One’. Thankfully shorn of MK2 songs too. I would have liked ‘The Gypsy’ from Paris on the original album.
I got an instant Rainbow collection last June and spent that month going all the way through the albums (minus "Stranger In Us All" and I didn't get all of "Final Vinyl" listened to), so I was primed for this. I bought and read the "Sensitive to Light" Rainbow bio by Martin and I got to see The Graham Bonnet Band at The Viper Room in West Hollywood that month to boot. You are right that you have to understand the discography and the characteristics of each album to fully get this, but it's a really great exercise and a way to understand other albums by other artists at the same time. Love this!
I know it's off topic, but as things are getting a bit out there a couple of suggestions for other shows. What's that sound? - is that a Theremin, synthesiser or guitar effect on Echoes, and what's that effect that sounds like crows? Can't think of specific tracks off hand, but is that a synthesiser/mellotron or an actual choir/flute/strings. Is that an electronic piano or a guitar effect there, what's that sound at the end of Bike? etc. Best bits that give you goosebumps - emotional/musical climaxes, passages of tension/release, music that builds up from a slow start to a crazy zenith, etc.
This channel has introduced me to so much music that I love and cherish and you guys are over here crying over a FREE video. it’s not like Pete pushes out THOUSANDS of hours of content for us 😂
Sorry, guys, feels like diggin' far too deep. Kinda running in circles. Think I'll be skipping this one. Probably me, getting saturated. Love the new reviews, HVS panel talks and the Uk connection. 👍
For Bent out of Shape, I would suggest that Bad Reputation would be a better Thin Lizzy pick than Johnny the Fox. It's a more refined version of the line up & it's the last studio lp with Brian.
What about a different kind of truth as van Halen's stranger to us all ? It was released years later with Mike Anthony missing and a different sound than the one before ?
These episodes are extremely confusing if you are unfamiliar with the band in question. Martin has picked up on this and addresses it appropriately. Still, you cannot fully appreciate the discussion unless you are very familiar with Rainbow, Led Zep, etc.
True, but it's not like LZ and Rainbow are unknown bands here. When we do episodes on the channel on either band, thousands and thousands of people watch and enjoy them.
Thx for the awesome replies, Sir. I truly appreciate that you take the time to talk to a 🤡 like me. I'm not yer typical SOT listener but I like the personalities and format (and host!) so much I keep comin back for more. I feel I should order a t-shirt to show my loyalty and appreciation. 🤗@@seaoftranquilityprog
Back In Black would be AC/DC’s Difficult to Cure, similar criteria to Allman Brothers with Seven Turns Of course it’s not out yet, but the new Stones album could be a contender for their Stranger In Us All
What you think about a concept like this, songs that was (and is) both a bless and a curse for a band. They maybe had a huge hit, made a lot of money - but people only connect them with that song and don´t care for their other music and the radio only play that song more or less. There really are some bands and artists who fit in that category. The idea with Led Zeppelin & Rainbow, I really don´t know....... Not my favourite topic from you.
Following Rainbow's discography: RBR's: Whitesnake-Trouble (first, a bit undercooked) Rising:Slayer-Reign in Blood (groundbreaking, short, no fat) OnS:Grand Funk-Live Album (early Live, short sides, both favourites of Martin) LLRnR:The Cult-Ceremony (last of the first era, similar in style to the previous one but less conviction) DtE:Loudness-Soldier of Fortune (one-off with new singer, made for the American market, transitional album) DtC:Journey-Infinity (new line-up, AOR turn) SBtE:Bowie-"Heroes" (second in the trilogy, most accomplished of the 3) BooS:Queen-The Works (third in the new direction, hard rockin' but also very poppy, second to last tour for the band, very 80's production) FV:Jethro Tull-Living in the Past (collection of oddities-studio and Live, double album, brown package) SiUa: Celtic Frost-Monotheist (late album, one-off); Deep Purple-The Battle Rages On (last album for Blackmore in his main band, very similar cold production, some good songs but overall disappointing). Cheers.
No...if you watched the video, there are quite a few albums mentioned by bands we don't often talk about. But, as Martin explained, if we only talk about obscure bands and albums then people complain they don't know anything about what we are talking about.
I think this is a great concept and has me thinking about similar albums I never thought of before. It seems odd that a lot of folks are not getting the concept. It seems pretty straightforward. Great video guys
Count me in as one of those who think these comparison shows don't make any sense. It just feels like you're throwing out random albums, as almost any album would have at least some comparisons to many other albums.
Pantera’s Reinventing the Steel..all heavy, fast unleashed, rage. The other Pantera albums have songs with slow parts or one or two slower songs. Reinventing the Steel is all brutally fast…also the one I listen to the most, it’s aged the best for me.
A lot depends on genre. If someone gets outside their zone you'd probably find there's a lot they don't know. Just sayin so you don't feel lost about this.
Love it. Love the concept. Did take me a little bit to understand. But I totally agree with the comparisons and the comments by most of the viewers. Its weird how many groups have similar albums. Need to go back and watch the Zeppelin album comparison. Please do more bands!
I think I understand this concept: Ted Nugent’s Penetrator is his Difficult to Cure Fastway’s Eat, Dog Eat is their Stranger In Us All Rush’s debut is their Ritchie Blackmore’s Rainbow Gamma 2 and Granf Funk’s ‘Red’ album are their Rising Badland’s Voodoo Highway is their Long Live Rock and Roll Poison’s Native Tongue is their Down To Earth Aerosmith Live Bootleg is their On Stage Boston’s Third Stage is their Bent Out Of Shape Bad Company’s Running With The Pack is their Straight Between The Eyes Foreigner’s Best Of Live is their Final Vinyl
Great subject, but i disagree with Martin about Kill Em All and Black Sabbath debut, to me it´s Metallicas and Black Sabbats best albums and both are perfect. ( Some more agrees and disagrees im not gonna mention )
A little too niche(y) for me. Love you guys, but I watch regularly to possibly find new music to listen to. Not a huge Purple fan, no reason to watch: Sorry, Man! With that being said, I'm sure the video worked for anyone that hasn't watched regularly.
But we aren't talking about Deep Purple....it's Rainbow. And, if you really get down to it, these types of shows are more about the album examples from OTHER bands than the actual band we are comparing them too. Lots of cool albums being discussed here....not sure what not being a DP fan has to do with it.
Sorry man, DP and Rainbow fall into the same slot in my mind mainly because I play guitar and never really dug his playing (respected highly, dug not so much); rightly or wrongly. Again: Love you guys! Idea: Ranking the Best James Bond Songs@@seaoftranquilityprog
This is a great concept from you guys and hopefully it will continue. It makes you hear these albums in a new way. I’m just going to rattle off one for each here. RBR: King Crimson - Lizard One-off lineup that never performed live. Not their best but not bad either. RR: Whitesnake - Slide It In (both UK and US versions with which I ping-pong back and forth) Perfect from start to finish (plus they both have Cozy!) and I think they really peaked here. OS: Genesis - Live Not enough songs. Should’ve been a double. LLRNR: Journey - Next Last album before lead vocalist change (even though Gregg Rolie does sing some lead now and again on the next three Journey albums) and their last non-commercial sounding album. DTE: Black Sabbath - Seventh Star One and only album with a different singer and a lineup that didn’t last very long. Different sound than what came before. DTC: Foreigner - 4 An album where they really came into commercial success and nearly every song could’ve been a single. SBTE: Asia - Asia Was released in the same year and was a massive commercial success and the videos for songs from both albums had massive airplay on the former music channel known as MTV. BOOS: King Crimson - Three Of A Perfect Pair Last studio before the break up and the band would return many years later with a different lineup and a different sound. FV - Emerson, Lake and Palmer - Works Volume 2 Leftover tracks from previous albums and B-sides compiled after an album that was a relatively big seller. SIUA: Van Halen III An album with another singer change that was a commercial letdown and largely went unnoticed.
Popoff and Pardo are at it again with the second episode of a "This Band's (_________ Album." Not familiar enough with the Rainbow catalogue to add to the discussion but always enjoy Martin and Pete talking about their viewpoints on albums and music. But the bonus discussion of Martin's book was completely fascinating to me and glad that it was kept in the episode. Thanks, gents, for another challenging episode. There ya go!
Peter and Martin. Entertaining show, as always. Very interesting topic. Here's another possible topic for a future show: "my top 5 favourite hard rock songs with codas". (A coda is "a passage that brings a piece (or a movement) to an end. It may be as simple as a few measures, or as complex as an entire section.") Examples include the piano outro in Layla, the na-na-na outros of the Beatles' Hey Jude and Journey's Lovin’ Touchin’ Squeezin’, the guitar solo outro in November Rain, and the awesome doo doo doo outro in Marillion's Easter.
Fun concept. I will disagree about Cheap Tricks debut tho. I think that album totally captures their sound like no other. No hits on it but their sound is totally there.
@@jimmycoleman5853 same. I love just about every Cheap Trick album but something about that first one really captured their sound. They had been working on those songs in the clubs for so many years, they really had their sound/identity down from the very first note of that first album. The hits came later I guess but their sound got neutered on following albums IMO.
@@MartinPopoff i think their recorded sound changed yes definitely but if you listen to them live...their sound is the same as it was in the clubs and their debut captured that sound perfectly. The debut sounds like At Budokan...their biggest record.
I'm still surprised at the number of people in the comments who still don't get this concept. I find it to be a wonderful intellectual challenge. The Police catalog would be a fun comparison episode. First album sounding like reggae with punkish elements all the way to the last album being more commercial, with some experimentation, and the most popular.
I get it and love it! UFO phenomenon is thier RB's Rainbow Astroceep 2000 is White Zombies' Rainbow Rising Fandango is ZZ Top's Onstage Guns N Rose's Use your Illusion I&II is their Long Live Rock n Roll
Don't listen to the haters Pete, this really isnt a hard concept to grasp. Ive often done this with other bands' discographies that have a very clear trajectory of their evolution in sound. I really dig this and would love to see one where you talked about bands' Black Sabbath albums
Apparently, some people don't like having to think a little bit. Albums are meant to be listened to, dissected, compared and contrasted...but you have to think a little to do it. Thanks for being open to this!
Careful Pete, I'm personally enjoying this topic but please don't suggest that people aren't intelligent enough to understand the concept, maybe they just dislike the subject matter.@@seaoftranquilityprog
@@andrewcarr5923 Well, if you are enjoying and understanding the concept, then this comment doesn't pertain to you. Plenty of comments from people who appear unwilling to even try and understand or play along. If you don't like Rainbow or Led Zeppelin, I get that, but some comments clearly have nothing to do with the bands at all.
Of course you will always get your trolls or naysayers but I was suggesting that you could alienate some of your long term subscribers/ fanbase by suggesting that they weren't understanding the subject matter just because they didn't enjoy the content.@@seaoftranquilityprog
@@sotdude7 If you really want to mess with the minds of the haters, do an episode called "This is this bands Starz album". That should really get them going!
My new fave videos to look forward to. This concept is a ton of fun and puts a unique spin on talking about albums and bands for the umpteenth time 👏🏻
A great way of showing the parallels between albums. THANKS, guys ❤
This was cool. Love rainbow and many of your picks. 👍
I didn’t think Rainbow had a well known enough catalogue to include in a discussion like this, but when Pete explains the albums he chose and why it makes more sense.
Thanks, I was hoping that it would connect that way!
I appreciate your love of music and trying new concepts.... Even if I don't quite understand. I don't listen to much of the music groups you like, but I often learn from your discussions.
1) Rainbow (a raw version of what was to come): Rocka Rolla
2) Rising (early masterpiece): Sad Wings of Destiny
3) Long Live Rock n' Roll (great but flawed): Sin After Sin
4) Down to Earth (The best of both Worlds: artsy and accessible): Hell Bent for Leather
5) Difficult to Cure (The start of the accessible era): British Steel
6) Straight Between the Eyes (even lighter): Point of Entry
7) Bent Out of Shape (commercial with lots of keyboards): Turbo
8) Stranger in Us All (weak album by a scattered "band"): Demolition
Brilliant - thanks for this!
I really like the different music topics each week.😊
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Show suggestion: Album classics I don‘t get/like, no matter how hard I try
Could be in a special genre or all over the place. I am sure it would make a fun show for an episode with Martin, the HVS or the UKC.
It always makes me laugh the way Martin describes the way he feels about music. Especially when he says it makes him feel "depressed, or it sounds clanky or cranky.😅😅 still waiting for Martins Kate Bush ranking show.
Hahaha so true. I just wish he'd use my favorite popoff term more often....do dad's 😛
Martin is music's Andy Rooney...in the best way. "Have you ever noticed...?" :)
@@samuel8412 Martin can definitely have Andy Rooney delivery. Also like Andy, he can sound cranky. Love hearing Martin.
@@samuel8412Pete also has his own musical preferences when it comes to musical production. Number 1 he likes music that's "Rockus", and the album must have "heft".
I haven't seen the Zep video. Will correct that ASAP. I liked this concept. Great discussion as always.
I had a harder time with this This episode. I'm not being broad minded enough here. Still entertained, amused and thought provoked. There are no right or wrong answers because it all comes out of personal cogitation, histories and perspectives. However...
At the beginning of this episode I interpreted the assignment a little more specific, especially with Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow: Phenomenal guitar player leaves one of the most ground breaking rock bands and starts a new band with the most amazing singer, etc. And mentally I went forward from there. I'm not going to list anything today.
Cheers to you both, sea, and cheers to all of the chat.
I agree with Martin about the first Rainbow album - "undercooked" 😆, (no I'm not saying it's bad).
also not a big fan of this idea but you guys should really do what you like. it's Pete's channel. Keep 'm coming and have fun 👍
Kiss Destroyer and Rainbow Rising also feature the same artist’s cover art; Ken Kelley.
That's right - nice grab!
I would compare the Aerosmith debut to the pre Schenker UFO albums. I always noticed that Dream On sounded like it was recorded 5 years later than the other songs
I would say that Uriah Heep's "Down to Earth" album is Firefly! New singer and bass player, more commercial sound, even the album cover has some similarities (earth - moon - sky - rainbow)
Yes!
Martin is right on it with the Aerosmith comparison. The 1st album and also draw the line comparison with long live rock and roll
This worked for Led Zep because were all familiar with the catalog. Maybe if you do this again I would choose bands such as Beatles, Kiss, The Who or the Doors.
But, there were plenty of people who it didn't work for because they aren't familiar with the LZ catalog. Rainbow is a very popular band here among our viewers, and it's a fairly short catalog, which is why we picked them. Beatles, KISS, etc have way larger catalogs.
@@seaoftranquilityprogI'm all for it... but I guess my knowledge of rainbow is limited which made it difficult to participate.
My favorite Rainbow album, besides the ones with DIO, is "Slaves and Masters" you didn't bring that one up😉
@@boyzen45 because that’s a Deep Purple album, not a Rainbow album?
@@aidanhatton7163 That is why the winking 😉
On Your Feet or On Your Knees is one that has me scratching my head about song selection similar to On Stage. Both albums that came out right after the band's arguably best album but didn't opt to include the big epic tracks or album openers. OYFOOYK had more songs, but both feel like missed opportunities to me.
I guess it all depends on the quality of live concert recordings from that tour that they had to choose from.
If you look at Thin Lizzy's "Live And Dangerous", UFO's "Strangers In The Night" and Hawkwind's "Space Ritual", all three of those live albums were compiled from the best recordings from multiple concerts - and all three of them now have been released in expanded formats where all of the concerts used for the original material have now been properly mixed and released.
OYFOOYK would be a really good album to do that with, if the entire recordings of those original concerts are still available, of course.
@@terrydaktyllus1320They should have done 2 original songs, instead of the boring I Ain't Got You, and Born to be Wild. Some Enchanted Evening had much better choices for cover songs. ETL really blew it with including the most boring song ever recorded, the draggy Boogie down Roadhouse Blues. Rainbow should have included Run With the Wolf instead of Still I'm Sad
I’ve got the Rainbow Live in Germany 1976 double disc set that I prefer to On Stage.
I thought this concept was very cool. Enjoyed whole video. Gonna give it a try myself. Love Rainbow of course.
Just my opinion: some ideas sound cool in the planning stage but not so much in practice. Perhaps if you had limited it to a few albums: A band's Led Zeppelin I to IV? After a while i felt like I was just listening to album titles without any real meaning. Again, just my take on it.
We went the extra mile on this one to explain the criteria of all of our choices. It makes a lot of sense if you just think about it a little.
I don't think Led Zeppelin was a good choice as a band for this concept.
Firstly, they had the same lineup throughout their entire recording history so you can't look at times when, say, the singer changed and make comparisons that way.
Secondly, I think that if you didn't know anything by Led Zeppelin but you understood how rock music changed between 1969 and 1980 (i.e. Zeppelin's start to end recordings), you'd be able to put the albums in time order just by listening to them and without knowing the years they were actually released, because you can "detect" a natural progression from album to album. The same could also be said of The Beatles.
Of course I am a big Zeppelin fan but there is nothing "surprising" in how they progressed from album to album - so I don't think they are a good band to use as a baseline.
Rainbow, because of the line-up changes and "less obvious" path through their albums, might be a better band to do this with.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 to us, LZ was a perfect choice...their first 2 albums are the most blues based, but classic and groundbreaking & heavy, the 3rd had the most folk elements and at the time a big surprise, the 4th is their iconic album, the 5th is their most eclectic and varied, the mammoth double album, the misunderstood album, the somewhat messy live album, the odd final album, and the posthumous album.
@@seaoftranquilityprog Agreed, but I still think each album is a "natural progression" from one to the other - absolutely well crafted in each case but nothing you'd say is "before its time" or "unusually sounding" for its era.
Still, you've achieved your aim because you've got me thinking about Led Zeppelin in a different way now!
I've never liked "The Song Remains The Same" that much anyway - it is so overproduced that it's not a "live" album to me. I've always preferred "How The West Was Won" as my definitive live Led Zeppelin album.
Well I'd agree, I bailed after a few minutes. They are discussing what they love. keep in mind, when you consider how many vids they put out, these guys use the platform for social time with each other more than views. It's not a primary career.....makes it unique and not as "views" reliant as other channels
Super saiyan level discussion for musicologist. You really have to know your bands primary discography for this topic. Love it.
Another way to look at it is if you like one album in the category, try others in the same category.
I don't remember Robin Trower - Twice Removed From Yesterday ever being mentioned on SOT. Their usual albums are Boston - Boston, Clash - London Calling, David Bowie, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin , and ZZ Top. I find this particular show as something a bit different. I like all the shows , but I don't understand why anyone is complaining about them bringing up the same albums. There's definitely releases on this show that aren't brought up on regular basis
Interesting convo but like the led zep one this didn’t work for me
From Australia , would love to see you do something in depth on TEN YEARS AFTER one of my favourite Rock bands of the late 60s early 70s era along with DEEP PURPLE on course , Alvin Lee was a monster on guitar , very underrated unfortunately.
This kinda works because so many bands have similar career trajectories. Y'all remember VH1 Behind the Music? Mini-documentaries about various bands/artists. The joke was if you saw one of these shows you saw them all because of the all the similarities. Not that things are identical and sure there are plenty of nuances, but due to the nature of the industry - and maybe art in general - you will get these patterns.
Another parallel between On Stage and Made in Europe: the unnecessarily extended versions of songs that were quite short on the album. Made in Europe has “You Fool No One” occupying most of side 2 on the vinyl, and BOTH albums have really tedious performances of “Mistreated”.
I would compare Rainbow - Long Live Rock and Roll with Warner Bros Presents Montrose in atmosphere. Both have some high energy songs, and some depressing bad drug trip moments. I would consider Montrose - Whaler, a combination of the Rainbow songs Gates of Babylon, and Rainbow Eyes. If you read the album credits , some of the same classical instruments were featured on the three aforementioned tracks
I love that - for the win!
Of all the bands to compare to Rainbow out there. The Who has never come to mind. I do most of my easy drinking to the songs of Kansas, my Hard drinking is reserved for Black Sabbath Vol 4 . A nice deep dive into depression with Under the Sun, and St Vitus Dance.
Love the concept guys; I would agree w Martin on the Aerosmith comparison; always perceived that 1st one as a Steve Tyler record, similarly w Rainbow -that one all Ritchie (with a touch of Joe Perry and RJD put in)…
I am not au fait with Rainbow's catalog, as a number of commenters here have concurred. But the show is fun anyway. I don't have a clue what Rainbow album is what, but Pete and Martin explain it very well. I am willing to give any concept they have a go and this one is interesting.
Parallels with the first 3 studio albums with Ronnie:
Motörhead: s/t, overkill, bomber
Saxon: s/t, wheels of steel, strong arm of the law
Parallels with the 3 Joe Lynn Turner albums:
Y&T : black tiger, mean streak, in rock we trust
Triumph: progressions of power, allied forces, never surrender.
April Wine: nature of the beast, power play, animal grace
Rainbow on stage lookalikes are funny enough very related too (Dio on 2 of the 3, the Sabbath connection on 2 of the 3):
Black Sabbath Live Evil
Ozzy Osbourne Speak of the Devil
All of these are released after just 2 Studio albums!
When I think of double live albums,I think of the pre-punk/new wave 70’s. Classic single live albums: James Brown at The Apollo,Jerry Lee Lewis-Live at The Star Club,Hamburg. Donny Hathaway Live. Re:Deep Purple Made In Europe was a posthumous release,soon after MK4 Purple broke up. It reigned in most of Glenn Hughes’s vocal over-elaborations. GH’s Bass playing is fantastic throughout.The individual solos are largely confined to ‘You Fool No One’. Thankfully shorn of MK2 songs too. I would have liked ‘The Gypsy’ from Paris on the original album.
Just a thought, This band’s (Kiss Alive album). Example, where the band really cranked up the studio tracks.
Very interesting topic
I got an instant Rainbow collection last June and spent that month going all the way through the albums (minus "Stranger In Us All" and I didn't get all of "Final Vinyl" listened to), so I was primed for this. I bought and read the "Sensitive to Light" Rainbow bio by Martin and I got to see The Graham Bonnet Band at The Viper Room in West Hollywood that month to boot.
You are right that you have to understand the discography and the characteristics of each album to fully get this, but it's a really great exercise and a way to understand other albums by other artists at the same time. Love this!
Sorry, not feeling this concept at all. Seems contrived
Motorhead is Motorheads Richie blackores rainbow
Rainbows 'Long Live Rock N Roll' is Jethro Tull's 'Too Old To Rock N Roll' 😮
I know it's off topic, but as things are getting a bit out there a couple of suggestions for other shows.
What's that sound? - is that a Theremin, synthesiser or guitar effect on Echoes, and what's that effect that sounds like crows? Can't think of specific tracks off hand, but is that a synthesiser/mellotron or an actual choir/flute/strings. Is that an electronic piano or a guitar effect there, what's that sound at the end of Bike? etc.
Best bits that give you goosebumps - emotional/musical climaxes, passages of tension/release, music that builds up from a slow start to a crazy zenith, etc.
Terrible ideas - hopefully they're ignored.
This channel has introduced me to so much music that I love and cherish and you guys are over here crying over a FREE video. it’s not like Pete pushes out THOUSANDS of hours of content for us 😂
Man, I watch a lot of his content across all of the channels. Not sure why he doesn't have a million followers?
hate this one even moor, bored after 5 minutes.
You're really reaching on this one fellas.
Sorry, guys, feels like diggin' far too deep. Kinda running in circles. Think I'll be skipping this one. Probably me, getting saturated. Love the new reviews, HVS panel talks and the Uk connection. 👍
yeah. Gotta agree w you here.
For Bent out of Shape, I would suggest that Bad Reputation would be a better Thin Lizzy pick than Johnny the Fox. It's a more refined version of the line up & it's the last studio lp with Brian.
Another great episode guys! You need to do an episode on Kate Bush, sorry guys!😎😃
Idea for show: If you like [big band] then you might like the similar [obscure band].
What about a different kind of truth as van Halen's stranger to us all ? It was released years later with Mike Anthony missing and a different sound than the one before ?
These episodes are extremely confusing if you are unfamiliar with the band in question.
Martin has picked up on this and addresses it appropriately.
Still, you cannot fully appreciate the discussion unless you are very familiar with Rainbow, Led Zep, etc.
True, but it's not like LZ and Rainbow are unknown bands here. When we do episodes on the channel on either band, thousands and thousands of people watch and enjoy them.
Thx for the awesome replies, Sir. I truly appreciate that you take the time to talk to a 🤡 like me. I'm not yer typical SOT listener but I like the personalities and format (and host!) so much I keep comin back for more. I feel I should order a t-shirt to show my loyalty and appreciation. 🤗@@seaoftranquilityprog
Telegram was much Heavier on Snazz , than the studio version, but the other songs weren't really Heavy like that particular rendition of Telegram
What about the black flame by wolf? Perfect on every level.
Requires lots of explanation! Haha!
Back In Black would be AC/DC’s Difficult to Cure, similar criteria to Allman Brothers with Seven Turns
Of course it’s not out yet, but the new Stones album could be a contender for their Stranger In Us All
What you think about a concept like this, songs that was (and is) both a bless and a curse for a band. They maybe had a huge hit, made a lot of money - but people only connect them with that song and don´t care for their other music and the radio only play that song more or less. There really are some bands and artists who fit in that category. The idea with Led Zeppelin & Rainbow, I really don´t know....... Not my favourite topic from you.
Following Rainbow's discography:
RBR's: Whitesnake-Trouble (first, a bit undercooked)
Rising:Slayer-Reign in Blood (groundbreaking, short, no fat)
OnS:Grand Funk-Live Album (early Live, short sides, both favourites of Martin)
LLRnR:The Cult-Ceremony (last of the first era, similar in style to the previous one but less conviction)
DtE:Loudness-Soldier of Fortune (one-off with new singer, made for the American market, transitional album)
DtC:Journey-Infinity (new line-up, AOR turn)
SBtE:Bowie-"Heroes" (second in the trilogy, most accomplished of the 3)
BooS:Queen-The Works (third in the new direction, hard rockin' but also very poppy, second to last tour for the band, very 80's production)
FV:Jethro Tull-Living in the Past (collection of oddities-studio and Live, double album, brown package)
SiUa: Celtic Frost-Monotheist (late album, one-off); Deep Purple-The Battle Rages On (last album for Blackmore in his main band, very similar cold production, some good songs but overall disappointing).
Cheers.
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The best live Rainbow album is Live in Cologne
Pantera’s Power Metal. It’s great, the band and production quality are improving significantly, but have just not quite reached full potential.
So this is just a new topic to talk about the same bands and albums as always.
No...if you watched the video, there are quite a few albums mentioned by bands we don't often talk about. But, as Martin explained, if we only talk about obscure bands and albums then people complain they don't know anything about what we are talking about.
The first Aerosmith album reminds me of living by a farm doing lots of psychedelic drugs , out of touch with modern technology
I think this is a great concept and has me thinking about similar albums I never thought of before. It seems odd that a lot of folks are not getting the concept. It seems pretty straightforward. Great video guys
Hair of the Dog? Hair of the Dawg 😂
Count me in as one of those who think these comparison shows don't make any sense. It just feels like you're throwing out random albums, as almost any album would have at least some comparisons to many other albums.
This skit has just gotten silly ! 😜
I'm enjoying this
Pantera’s Reinventing the Steel..all heavy, fast unleashed, rage. The other Pantera albums have songs with slow parts or one or two slower songs. Reinventing the Steel is all brutally fast…also the one I listen to the most, it’s aged the best for me.
All of the sudden I feel like I don't know a damn thing about music.
A lot depends on genre. If someone gets outside their zone you'd probably find there's a lot they don't know. Just sayin so you don't feel lost about this.
Love the show, loved the topic and Pete, love the Hawkwind t-shirt!
Love it. Love the concept. Did take me a little bit to understand. But I totally agree with the comparisons and the comments by most of the viewers. Its weird how many groups have similar albums. Need to go back and watch the Zeppelin album comparison. Please do more bands!
I think I understand this concept:
Ted Nugent’s Penetrator is his Difficult to Cure
Fastway’s Eat, Dog Eat is their Stranger In Us All
Rush’s debut is their Ritchie Blackmore’s Rainbow
Gamma 2 and Granf Funk’s ‘Red’ album are their Rising
Badland’s Voodoo Highway is their Long Live Rock and Roll
Poison’s Native Tongue is their Down To Earth
Aerosmith Live Bootleg is their On Stage
Boston’s Third Stage is their Bent Out Of Shape
Bad Company’s Running With The Pack is their Straight Between The Eyes
Foreigner’s Best Of Live is their Final Vinyl
There you go!
Great subject, but i disagree with Martin about Kill Em All and Black Sabbath debut, to me it´s Metallicas and Black Sabbats best albums and both are perfect. ( Some more agrees and disagrees im not gonna mention )
Very interesting and at the same time entertaining.
A little too niche(y) for me. Love you guys, but I watch regularly to possibly find new music to listen to. Not a huge Purple fan, no reason to watch: Sorry, Man! With that being said, I'm sure the video worked for anyone that hasn't watched regularly.
But we aren't talking about Deep Purple....it's Rainbow. And, if you really get down to it, these types of shows are more about the album examples from OTHER bands than the actual band we are comparing them too. Lots of cool albums being discussed here....not sure what not being a DP fan has to do with it.
Sorry man, DP and Rainbow fall into the same slot in my mind mainly because I play guitar and never really dug his playing (respected highly, dug not so much); rightly or wrongly. Again: Love you guys! Idea: Ranking the Best James Bond Songs@@seaoftranquilityprog
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Fun skimmer episode.😅
This is a great concept from you guys and hopefully it will continue. It makes you hear these albums in a new way. I’m just going to rattle off one for each here.
RBR: King Crimson - Lizard
One-off lineup that never performed live. Not their best but not bad either.
RR: Whitesnake - Slide It In (both UK and US versions with which I ping-pong back and forth)
Perfect from start to finish (plus they both have Cozy!) and I think they really peaked here.
OS: Genesis - Live
Not enough songs. Should’ve been a double.
LLRNR: Journey - Next
Last album before lead vocalist change (even though Gregg Rolie does sing some lead now and again on the next three Journey albums) and their last non-commercial sounding album.
DTE: Black Sabbath - Seventh Star
One and only album with a different singer and a lineup that didn’t last very long. Different sound than what came before.
DTC: Foreigner - 4
An album where they really came into commercial success and nearly every song could’ve been a single.
SBTE: Asia - Asia
Was released in the same year and was a massive commercial success and the videos for songs from both albums had massive airplay on the former music channel known as MTV.
BOOS: King Crimson - Three Of A Perfect Pair
Last studio before the break up and the band would return many years later with a different lineup and a different sound.
FV - Emerson, Lake and Palmer - Works Volume 2
Leftover tracks from previous albums and B-sides compiled after an album that was a relatively big seller.
SIUA: Van Halen III
An album with another singer change that was a commercial letdown and largely went unnoticed.
Late getting to this one, good show gentlemen!
Popoff and Pardo are at it again with the second episode of a "This Band's (_________ Album." Not familiar enough with the Rainbow catalogue to add to the discussion but always enjoy Martin and Pete talking about their viewpoints on albums and music. But the bonus discussion of Martin's book was completely fascinating to me and glad that it was kept in the episode. Thanks, gents, for another challenging episode. There ya go!
The new release of UFOs Lights Out in Babenhausen 1993 live is soo good! Looking forward to your review Pete.
not doing it for me
it must be tough when free entertainment doesn't reach your high standards of quality
I love this uber-nerdy concept so much!!😜
I like the polarisation that this topic seems to have encouraged. What really counts is that the concept, for me, is unique
Awesome!
This would be fun to do with SAVATAGE.
Not sure what all the complaints are about. Concept is very simple to understand and gives the possibility to think along a little bit.
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How about doing a single album comparison show? Start with ELP's Love Beach. (Metallica's Love Beach is Load!)
just saw the Doobie Brothers friday night :)
Great concept here. It took me a minute to get it but excellent show.
Absolutely loved this concept!! Great show.
Thanks!
Peter and Martin. Entertaining show, as always. Very interesting topic. Here's another possible topic for a future show: "my top 5 favourite hard rock songs with codas". (A coda is "a passage that brings a piece (or a movement) to an end. It may be as simple as a few measures, or as complex as an entire section.") Examples include the piano outro in Layla, the na-na-na outros of the Beatles' Hey Jude and Journey's Lovin’ Touchin’ Squeezin’, the guitar solo outro in November Rain, and the awesome doo doo doo outro in Marillion's Easter.
Awful suggestion. A big NO. 👎
@@shaunfulton7261 Its awful enough to likely end up being a 3 part episode here in due time. 😵💫
Fun concept. I will disagree about Cheap Tricks debut tho. I think that album totally captures their sound like no other. No hits on it but their sound is totally there.
My fav by far, every track including Terry Reid cover is a 10 for me
@@jimmycoleman5853 same. I love just about every Cheap Trick album but something about that first one really captured their sound. They had been working on those songs in the clubs for so many years, they really had their sound/identity down from the very first note of that first album. The hits came later I guess but their sound got neutered on following albums IMO.
I totally disagree - I figure they changed their sound after the debut.
@@MartinPopoff i think their recorded sound changed yes definitely but if you listen to them live...their sound is the same as it was in the clubs and their debut captured that sound perfectly. The debut sounds like At Budokan...their biggest record.
I'm still surprised at the number of people in the comments who still don't get this concept. I find it to be a wonderful intellectual challenge. The Police catalog would be a fun comparison episode. First album sounding like reggae with punkish elements all the way to the last album being more commercial, with some experimentation, and the most popular.
My History in Five Songs with martin Popoff audio podcast episode on this using The Police is what sparked this.
@@MartinPopoff Either I had the olds and forgot you mentioned it or it was a nice coincidence. 🙂
I get it and love it!
UFO phenomenon is thier RB's Rainbow
Astroceep 2000 is White Zombies' Rainbow Rising
Fandango is ZZ Top's Onstage
Guns N Rose's Use your Illusion I&II is their Long Live Rock n Roll
You're just doing this to annoy people. 🙄
You're not required to watch it.
I didn't.@@anthonykeppler220
@@anthonykeppler220Yes he obviously believes that he is required to complain about watching it.
Don't listen to the haters Pete, this really isnt a hard concept to grasp. Ive often done this with other bands' discographies that have a very clear trajectory of their evolution in sound. I really dig this and would love to see one where you talked about bands' Black Sabbath albums
Apparently, some people don't like having to think a little bit. Albums are meant to be listened to, dissected, compared and contrasted...but you have to think a little to do it. Thanks for being open to this!
Careful Pete, I'm personally enjoying this topic but please don't suggest that people aren't intelligent enough to understand the concept, maybe they just dislike the subject matter.@@seaoftranquilityprog
@@andrewcarr5923 Well, if you are enjoying and understanding the concept, then this comment doesn't pertain to you. Plenty of comments from people who appear unwilling to even try and understand or play along. If you don't like Rainbow or Led Zeppelin, I get that, but some comments clearly have nothing to do with the bands at all.
Of course you will always get your trolls or naysayers but I was suggesting that you could alienate some of your long term subscribers/ fanbase by suggesting that they weren't understanding the subject matter just because they didn't enjoy the content.@@seaoftranquilityprog
Nice show, an interesting intellectual exercise to inject a new way of viewing albums that you've had forever in a different light.
Exactly!
@@sotdude7 If you really want to mess with the minds of the haters, do an episode called "This is this bands Starz album". That should really get them going!
"Easy drinking version of the Who"🎉😅😂
Have you guys done a Graham Bonnet full discography ranking?
Great shout, I would enjoy that more than this very speculative concept I think.
Rainbows 'Long Live Rock N Roll' is Jethro Tull's 'Too Old To Rock N Roll' 😮