I couldn't imagine replacing PHR especially with strategist. PHR is just miles better. Even with nature, because it allows for the player to spam more if needed in crazy moments where there's high damage back to back. The priority heal healing multiple people as nature is really nice and pairs great with PHR.
How they messed w the super charges of nature really took the fun away from the power in my opinion, and sharing poison was cheesy but still it was hella fun lol
@@Soul_A.A I'd stay sorcery. my damage was around 400k because i didn't use grim. honestly nature has to be the worst dps in the game. i changed to ice
I love your nature guide 😁 I find them so amusing and fun to watch and compare notes 😁👏👌😎 . I use page,trans,EOG,PHR, and orb of arion all are max 200 with superpower focus and orb which is made for healing imo . My main heal set up is Page,PHR,Orb I sometimes swap in my trans . I've been Nature for years and all my friends love how I use my orb and when used right it's very powerful . I use to use my strat with trans as well which is also very powerful all those crits proc strat like crazy so it's really down to personal preference The orb goes well with purple healing ray and the page your pretty much good to go lol.
I always clip Savage growth into metabolism and it pretty much heals the group to full. If not I use cross pollination and only use blossom as a back up as it removes all the pheromones.
Me just starting playing DCUO and choosing Nature, to be honest i wish they add more visual feedback on the pheromones, i usually just standing around and spam everything cause I'm afraid the pheromones wear off 😅
Yeah just choose a power that fits you and what you have fun with. You should definitely try other powers too. Who knows there might be one you like more than Nature. I have been playing for a few years now and I still don't know what power to main.
I, from my point of view and corroborated by my pj Nature (CHEF) THE IDEAL ARTIFACTS THAT HE CARRIED, which are the destination page, the purple healing Ray and the transformation card, I can say that with those, I already cure an exaggeration
I'm sure you know this already but anyone who has pheromones on them your priority heal heals all effected by pheromones, so I run EoG, page, and PHR as nature. I usually sit around 75%-80% power thats w/ 3x 200 arts and 3 maxed arts 2 of which help on power regen(HoL bot and cyborg)
What's the point of the extra supercharges? Seems like a waste of skill points to me. Didn't see you use them at all in the loadouts (unless I missed something)
hey obsidian what is the roatation for the gem spam loadout i didnt see you go over that other the the pure heal loadout so i know how to properly use the gem loadout if ever i need to use it for raids
The strategist card as good as the purple ray? I'm trying to level up artifacts that I can use as damage too to save, since I'm back to playing from scratch
Strategist works the best on nature out of all the healers, thanks to the dozen healing ticks a second you get, though you kinda have to get it to atleast rank 160 to fully unlock its power, that's when the proc chance doubles. Before that point you could use purple ray, though when you hit 160 I think it beats ray by alot. And yeah like you said it has the benefit of being both a dps and healer artifact, which is super helpful for new characters, same as transformation card.
Really hoping you respond, How would you rank healing powers? What power should you suggest to someone to wanted to take healing seriously as a returning player? I played controller a few years back and believed i was really good (who knows tbh)
If you are just coming back and looking at ease of use while still being good you are looking at 1) Electric 2) Nature 3) Water 4) Celestial 5) Sorcery
it does but not very efficient way to heal as you will lose all your hots and then have to place them all again and spread them. In some situations it can work, mostly alerts but in raids the hots you have are more valuable
I been running SG, meta, blossom, swarm shield, cross poll, and pheromone bloom for my EoG setup. If I do 2 SC I replace shield with the 25% at the bottom of SS tree(forgot name) but I usually just run 1 SC and swarm shield. Works good in FFE 👍
@@dcuoffendinghabits7949 ok I was wondering because I have a sorc healer and wanted to switch him. I’m kinda managing three characters and it getting expensive haha. So I put my two side guys arts at 120. Any way wanted to try nature but my friend was nature and said it didn’t heal right so now I’m on the fence about getting real nature healers advice. I hate to be the electric water powers I love the odd one out powers just to be different from people lol
Long time healer here, tried them all and have got out healed with them all, so be ready. I would say its still between electricity and nature (and im the type of guys who used to main celestial). But if itrs true that blossom its an 8 man heal then i believe nature would be top
@@invierteconadrian Yeah, blossom heals every player ally with pheremones on them, though I have not figured out if there's some penalty, but I don't think there is just by looking at ally health bars. Definitely a pretty unique interaction, and I think the reason why orb would ruin nature, since it kinda relies on spamming priority to actively heal the group. I wouldn't say nature contends with powers like electricity or celestial though, it just doesn't have the numbers for that. Its passive healing model is good for battle healer though
since you are a superpower spec you really can choose whichever weapon you'd like. There is no major drawback to weapon choices as a healer, besides damage and ease of use
Well, how do you explain, that carrying the pH as you carry it, with Artifacts and everything with flight that yes and no Cures the same? Have you explained this? !!!
If you keep clipping savage growth and metabolism do you really need flourish on your bar because I have regenerate in that spot but I always keep savage growth and metabolism going all the time
That is a huge drain on power because you won’t know if your heals would be line of sight and miss where with flourish you’d simply spread them all and get the burst heal. The supercharge is less important or take off cross poll
Hey obsidian ty for doing guides I love abs appreciate them. I have a request: can you consider doing a power-might/precision balance test? I believe the might and damage varies based on power. For example: with a 330 cr all normal gear, no white mods, no buffs, no pets (except power pets (sorcery,earth,etc)) no supercharges, same artifacts, same weapon or sps spec...I believe the might varies. Also what would be a base might value players would need to reach to be top tier dps or other roles too. How many sps are absolutely necessary because at times i being a 338 dps out dps max 342 dps I don’t have maxed arts only 120,100s and I’m just saying I think it varies and such so Idk just a thought I’d like to mention before you do the dps videos again.
@@ObsidianChill I see. Thanks. Yea I like the move but it's cooldown and animation slow only drawbacks I think. Your vids are so informative and detailed. plz keep it up
I, and verified, that in, Hybrid, with the magnitude and probability to the maximum, more restoration, and then place the rest of points in Vitality and their corresponding magnitudes and probability and remaining points in Vitalization, you heal MORE, you do NOT receive the damage of NPC to heal with domain since it would overcome the domain of the NPC and they would kill you with 1 hit ... And the power bar lasts longer ... Likewise I ALWAYS use low cost skills mainly and always and in critical case the faces, This is how the power bar holds you higher than in domain
You really opened my eyes to the dom on the old "op armour" working for a hlr. Question, would using the op armour work for tanks as well??? I would think id be great no? Im thinking about not upgrading my op armour on my main whos a troll ill give it to either my main tank or hlr..
@@ObsidianChill lemme ask you this say you have a troll, tank, and hlr at max cr now you get a new op armour who would you give it to?? Who benefits most from a max op lvld armour would u say.. Thx again chill huge help.
@@mids100 not talking about dps, the one that would benefit from it the most would be tank. Tank can use the health/defense/dom/resto/power etc where other roles the stats towards survival aren't necessary
@@ObsidianChill would you give it to a ice tank over a water healer? Im thinking those are my 2 options(i also have a earth and fire tank if those would work better). Ice tank because all the shileds that extra dom from the op armour will help. Water hlr because of the interesting points you made in the water hlr video about op armour helping with flood of water, bubble and tempest guard being shileds.. "I over think stuff and want a good opinion sorry lol i know im asking allota questions on this".. Wish you could pass off op lvld armour to alts! If only arts worked that way too! Lol
@@mids100 ice tank would get more use out if it because its constant usage, where water healer would only get it if you run that build with shield rotations.
It wont mater youbonly get power back off 2st hit the weapon mastery does not give you power back off the combo im doing it now brawling looks to be best for power return hold triangle only other then that its not worth my sp
On nature I'd say orb is an active hindrance. The reason I say this is because nature kind of relies on spamming priority to actively heal the group, since prio heals all player allies with pheremones on them, and I don't even think the orb summon has that interaction, let alone the power efficiency or frequency
Just so you know flourish DOES add a 4th stack of pheromones. You even showed an example of it lol. You took damage before flourish and had no pheromones healing you, after you hit flourish you were being healed by flourishes pheromones
All good I know you deal with a lot of info in a short time. Is there any way for you to make a spread sheet of the base line efficacy of each heal per power? For example if the nature priority has a base heal of 4, and a base of 5 with pheromones active, but cel priority has a base of 6. (hopefully that example makes sense) it would be cool to actually see which power has a stronger priority, which power has a stronger group heal, see which pancake heal is better, which wave heal is better, which shield is better, and any other healing move a power set has. I'm sure all the variables per power might make it tricky, but it's info I think a lot of people would use! Not how to use a power, but it's actual base values per heal
I only ask because when I was nature I noticed my priority (probably the only easy heal to test and compare with other powers) was a smaller base value then when I switched to cel. It felt like at least a 5% or 10% difference. I know power mechanics play a facter but It would he cool to see a simplified base number as to what's going on. Maybe cel group heal has a base of 8 while elec and waters group heal has a base of 7, (not including combing into HoT's, that would have a separate base value)
Perhaps it's unrealistic, but if there was any chance of someone gathering that info that would be amazing. Never in dcuo have I seen a base value chart per move per power
@@harleyfreitas1551 Nature prio heals full group through pheromones. From my brief testing Orb of Arion pet priority heal is Bioelectric Surge(elec prio) which heals 20k on my test char and nature prio heals 12k base and 5k extra heal through pheromones. So 60% and 25% makes 85% of electric prio with group heal benefit. I agree these would be quite important to test.
The DPS side is ok. Nature is best as a boss killer imo, kind of slow with mobs but not terrible. You can ask around on the forums to get some more insight.
Confirmed with multiple nature healers, I know it used to work like that in the past I just didn't know if the devs had changed it, which is why I reached out to the other healers to confirm.
@@invierteconadrian when used with the orb it's powerful because they all will get healed to full health also combos well with the page of destiny and trans .
They need to fix the range on metabolism savage growth blossom and regeneration super is the only max ranged healing powers metab needs to be added to max range with power cost adjustment.
Tbh all healer powersets need to have max range healing like celestial does. No healer should be forced to play mid-range or close to it. Healers should be waaaaaaaaaaaay in the back away from harms way keeping team mates alive.
0:00 Start
0:45 Skill Point Spec
6:00 Gear Mods
8:40 Augments
9:20 Artifacts
13:56 Consumable
14:13 Affinity Mods
15:32 Generator Mods
17:04 How Pheromones Work
26:17 Gem Spam Loadout
28:55 Pure Heal Loadout
34:10 Heal Rotation
I couldn't imagine replacing PHR especially with strategist. PHR is just miles better. Even with nature, because it allows for the player to spam more if needed in crazy moments where there's high damage back to back.
The priority heal healing multiple people as nature is really nice and pairs great with PHR.
How they messed w the super charges of nature really took the fun away from the power in my opinion, and sharing poison was cheesy but still it was hella fun lol
I agree, nature dps is so boring now imo.
yeah im nature prec now. nature might becomes decent if you have the strat since most of it is dot. nature prec does way more damage.
Say thanks to obsidian chill
@@dblxde I was planning to switch from Sorcery prec to nature, I do like 700k ST, what are the numbers you can do as nature ?
@@Soul_A.A I'd stay sorcery. my damage was around 400k because i didn't use grim. honestly nature has to be the worst dps in the game. i changed to ice
I love your nature guide 😁 I find them so amusing and fun to watch and compare notes 😁👏👌😎 . I use page,trans,EOG,PHR, and orb of arion all are max 200 with superpower focus and orb which is made for healing imo .
My main heal set up is Page,PHR,Orb I sometimes swap in my trans . I've been Nature for years and all my friends love how I use my orb and when used right it's very powerful .
I use to use my strat with trans as well which is also very powerful all those crits proc strat like crazy so it's really down to personal preference The orb goes well with purple healing ray and the page your pretty much good to go lol.
I always clip Savage growth into metabolism and it pretty much heals the group to full. If not I use cross pollination and only use blossom as a back up as it removes all the pheromones.
Hey, blossom does not remove pheromones. Didn’t see that when I read what the blossom power says.
Roar takes away pheromones though.
It's always a pleasure watch ur videos cause it's nothing but knowledge of using power ty
Now I can work on my nature toon but luv my quantum toon 342 500sp 106567 might ty for the loadouts 👍
These are so damn helpful thanks😭
Me just starting playing DCUO and choosing Nature, to be honest i wish they add more visual feedback on the pheromones, i usually just standing around and spam everything cause I'm afraid the pheromones wear off 😅
Yeah just choose a power that fits you and what you have fun with. You should definitely try other powers too. Who knows there might be one you like more than Nature. I have been playing for a few years now and I still don't know what power to main.
@@glennthehelper4524hi is two handed good for nature healer?
I, from my point of view and corroborated by my pj Nature (CHEF) THE IDEAL ARTIFACTS THAT HE CARRIED, which are the destination page, the purple healing Ray and the transformation card, I can say that with those, I already cure an exaggeration
No such thing as too many hot, what if you lag and boss hits your team jard?
I'm sure you know this already but anyone who has pheromones on them your priority heal heals all effected by pheromones, so I run EoG, page, and PHR as nature. I usually sit around 75%-80% power thats w/ 3x 200 arts and 3 maxed arts 2 of which help on power regen(HoL bot and cyborg)
What is arts
@Josh0639 it's things you equip that change how powers work and-or grant you Stat buffs along side the additional perk at each rank
@@dcuoffendinghabits7949 ohh okay, thank you
@@dcuoffendinghabits7949also what does phermones do
@@Josh0639 obsidian chill has everything you need to know about anything dcuo related on his channel
Currently level 7 what's the general tip starting out nature healer? What do I focus on when starting new?
What's the point of the extra supercharges? Seems like a waste of skill points to me. Didn't see you use them at all in the loadouts (unless I missed something)
hey obsidian what is the roatation for the gem spam loadout i didnt see you go over that other the the pure heal loadout so i know how to properly use the gem loadout if ever i need to use it for raids
I was wondering which supercharge i should take since i am using Flight since you said that the nature supercharges are not good?
Where do you get Transformation Card artifact?
The strategist card as good as the purple ray? I'm trying to level up artifacts that I can use as damage too to save, since I'm back to playing from scratch
Strategist works the best on nature out of all the healers, thanks to the dozen healing ticks a second you get, though you kinda have to get it to atleast rank 160 to fully unlock its power, that's when the proc chance doubles. Before that point you could use purple ray, though when you hit 160 I think it beats ray by alot. And yeah like you said it has the benefit of being both a dps and healer artifact, which is super helpful for new characters, same as transformation card.
Will do nature or any for pvp?
Nice vid!
Hi, where is doomsday spore cloud location?
Really hoping you respond, How would you rank healing powers? What power should you suggest to someone to wanted to take healing seriously as a returning player? I played controller a few years back and believed i was really good (who knows tbh)
If you are just coming back and looking at ease of use while still being good you are looking at 1) Electric 2) Nature 3) Water 4) Celestial 5) Sorcery
What should I use other than Metabolic boost? I can’t seem to find it anywhere.
that one is a superspeed only supercharge, you can use one from your movement mode tree
Would I be good if I use 180 trans 200 strat 160 eog
Does this load out work for very low artifacts
Why not trade the shield for roar? Doesn't it suck all the pheromones up and do massive healing
it does but not very efficient way to heal as you will lose all your hots and then have to place them all again and spread them. In some situations it can work, mostly alerts but in raids the hots you have are more valuable
I been running SG, meta, blossom, swarm shield, cross poll, and pheromone bloom for my EoG setup. If I do 2 SC I replace shield with the 25% at the bottom of SS tree(forgot name) but I usually just run 1 SC and swarm shield. Works good in FFE 👍
Will running a pure heal be ok
@@jeangrey2788 I was running transformation card, page, and PHR, and did just fine. You don't need EoG to heal effectively at end game.
@@jeangrey2788 I got full elite with trans/page/PHR, it wasn't til this xp weekend that I switched trans out for EoG
@@dcuoffendinghabits7949 ok I was wondering because I have a sorc healer and wanted to switch him. I’m kinda managing three characters and it getting expensive haha. So I put my two side guys arts at 120. Any way wanted to try nature but my friend was nature and said it didn’t heal right so now I’m on the fence about getting real nature healers advice. I hate to be the electric water powers I love the odd one out powers just to be different from people lol
@@jeangrey2788 you usps villain side? If so add me in game, Offending Habits ill show you nature healing 💪
he healers , I want ask you about your opinion witch best power for healer ? And do u know when x2 xp arti will come ?
Thank you so much.
Long time healer here, tried them all and have got out healed with them all, so be ready. I would say its still between electricity and nature (and im the type of guys who used to main celestial). But if itrs true that blossom its an 8 man heal then i believe nature would be top
@@invierteconadrian Yeah, blossom heals every player ally with pheremones on them, though I have not figured out if there's some penalty, but I don't think there is just by looking at ally health bars. Definitely a pretty unique interaction, and I think the reason why orb would ruin nature, since it kinda relies on spamming priority to actively heal the group. I wouldn't say nature contends with powers like electricity or celestial though, it just doesn't have the numbers for that. Its passive healing model is good for battle healer though
I was wondering as any type of healer does it matter what weapon i use or do i have to use the weapons you mention?
since you are a superpower spec you really can choose whichever weapon you'd like. There is no major drawback to weapon choices as a healer, besides damage and ease of use
@ObsidianChill ok because i was thinking of just going bow instead of specing into dual blade and bow
Well, how do you explain, that carrying the pH as you carry it, with Artifacts and everything with flight that yes and no Cures the same? Have you explained this? !!!
Not sure what you are asking, pH flight cures?
Off topic. I’m missing a artifact and I didn’t delete or fused it Need help
is it in your bank? sometimes armory swaps can switch items between inventory and bank inventory
If you keep clipping savage growth and metabolism do you really need flourish on your bar because I have regenerate in that spot but I always keep savage growth and metabolism going all the time
That is a huge drain on power because you won’t know if your heals would be line of sight and miss where with flourish you’d simply spread them all and get the burst heal. The supercharge is less important or take off cross poll
Does the crits stack with transformation card though? Even if its for a short time.
there is an internal cooldown on the crit proc, its very short but still prevents overlapping or back loaded crits
Hey obsidian ty for doing guides I love abs appreciate them. I have a request: can you consider doing a power-might/precision balance test? I believe the might and damage varies based on power. For example: with a 330 cr all normal gear, no white mods, no buffs, no pets (except power pets (sorcery,earth,etc)) no supercharges, same artifacts, same weapon or sps spec...I believe the might varies. Also what would be a base might value players would need to reach to be top tier dps or other roles too. How many sps are absolutely necessary because at times i being a 338 dps out dps max 342 dps I don’t have maxed arts only 120,100s and I’m just saying I think it varies and such so Idk just a thought I’d like to mention before you do the dps videos again.
how can we get 900+ skills in test server?
Is Bloom not a good move to have in the build?
No, there are only very specific situations where bloom would be useful but in 99% of content it is better to have savage growth
@@ObsidianChill I see. Thanks. Yea I like the move but it's cooldown and animation slow only drawbacks I think. Your vids are so informative and detailed. plz keep it up
I, and verified, that in, Hybrid, with the magnitude and probability to the maximum, more restoration, and then place the rest of points in Vitality and their corresponding magnitudes and probability and remaining points in Vitalization, you heal MORE, you do NOT receive the damage of NPC to heal with domain since it would overcome the domain of the NPC and they would kill you with 1 hit ... And the power bar lasts longer ... Likewise I ALWAYS use low cost skills mainly and always and in critical case the faces, This is how the power bar holds you higher than in domain
You talking troll talk sir?
tf did you just say? lol
@@lilmarko6776 I'm sure it's you, kid
@@danielmolina2570 If you haven't understood, start learning then, what do you need?
You really opened my eyes to the dom on the old "op armour" working for a hlr. Question, would using the op armour work for tanks as well??? I would think id be great no? Im thinking about not upgrading my op armour on my main whos a troll ill give it to either my main tank or hlr..
In some cases yes, as long as the OP item doesn't drop health/defense/dom/resto by significant amounts you are free to wear it.
@@ObsidianChill lemme ask you this say you have a troll, tank, and hlr at max cr now you get a new op armour who would you give it to?? Who benefits most from a max op lvld armour would u say.. Thx again chill huge help.
@@mids100 not talking about dps, the one that would benefit from it the most would be tank. Tank can use the health/defense/dom/resto/power etc where other roles the stats towards survival aren't necessary
@@ObsidianChill would you give it to a ice tank over a water healer? Im thinking those are my 2 options(i also have a earth and fire tank if those would work better). Ice tank because all the shileds that extra dom from the op armour will help. Water hlr because of the interesting points you made in the water hlr video about op armour helping with flood of water, bubble and tempest guard being shileds.. "I over think stuff and want a good opinion sorry lol i know im asking allota questions on this".. Wish you could pass off op lvld armour to alts! If only arts worked that way too! Lol
@@mids100 ice tank would get more use out if it because its constant usage, where water healer would only get it if you run that build with shield rotations.
It wont mater youbonly get power back off 2st hit the weapon mastery does not give you power back off the combo im doing it now brawling looks to be best for power return hold triangle only other then that its not worth my sp
What body style is that
Chestguard of the Forest Spirit from the Spring Event
So should I get rid of my Orb?
On nature I'd say orb is an active hindrance. The reason I say this is because nature kind of relies on spamming priority to actively heal the group, since prio heals all player allies with pheremones on them, and I don't even think the orb summon has that interaction, let alone the power efficiency or frequency
I’ll go with Clarion, strategist card, and eye of gem
Even if you lose power just melee to heal.
Just so you know flourish DOES add a 4th stack of pheromones. You even showed an example of it lol. You took damage before flourish and had no pheromones healing you, after you hit flourish you were being healed by flourishes pheromones
Was an oversight on my part, very long time since I was last nature and I always knew the what and why but not the how for nat healing.
All good I know you deal with a lot of info in a short time. Is there any way for you to make a spread sheet of the base line efficacy of each heal per power? For example if the nature priority has a base heal of 4, and a base of 5 with pheromones active, but cel priority has a base of 6. (hopefully that example makes sense) it would be cool to actually see which power has a stronger priority, which power has a stronger group heal, see which pancake heal is better, which wave heal is better, which shield is better, and any other healing move a power set has. I'm sure all the variables per power might make it tricky, but it's info I think a lot of people would use! Not how to use a power, but it's actual base values per heal
I only ask because when I was nature I noticed my priority (probably the only easy heal to test and compare with other powers) was a smaller base value then when I switched to cel. It felt like at least a 5% or 10% difference. I know power mechanics play a facter but It would he cool to see a simplified base number as to what's going on. Maybe cel group heal has a base of 8 while elec and waters group heal has a base of 7, (not including combing into HoT's, that would have a separate base value)
Perhaps it's unrealistic, but if there was any chance of someone gathering that info that would be amazing. Never in dcuo have I seen a base value chart per move per power
@@harleyfreitas1551 Nature prio heals full group through pheromones. From my brief testing Orb of Arion pet priority heal is Bioelectric Surge(elec prio) which heals 20k on my test char and nature prio heals 12k base and 5k extra heal through pheromones. So 60% and 25% makes 85% of electric prio with group heal benefit. I agree these would be quite important to test.
Sooo..you basically counting the ticks b4 you hit flourish
You don't need to count the ticks, just hit Flourish everytime it comes off cooldown.
@@jonathanross8321 the reason im askin cuz im think'n bout goin nature...dont know how the dps side is but the heal'n is amazing
The DPS side is ok. Nature is best as a boss killer imo, kind of slow with mobs but not terrible. You can ask around on the forums to get some more insight.
Bloom is 2500 sc btw and it heals u
I usually use flourish 2x then recast HoTs depending upon if group is getting hammered or not and needs faster heals.
Nobody fucking asked
@@devgotthat4k i asked
@@devgotthat4k I asked
Bro we should play dcuo sometime my guy
How tf u got 957sp????
Test server on PC. xD
Obsidian, are u SURE about the part where u said that the priority heal becomes an 8 man heal? Because thats OP
Confirmed with multiple nature healers, I know it used to work like that in the past I just didn't know if the devs had changed it, which is why I reached out to the other healers to confirm.
What part in the vid he said that cause i missed it lol
@@FaintEchoz yeah he says it, but i tried it and its not actually as OP as i though dont worry
@@invierteconadrian when used with the orb it's powerful because they all will get healed to full health also combos well with the page of destiny and trans .
They need to fix the range on metabolism savage growth blossom and regeneration super is the only max ranged healing powers metab needs to be added to max range with power cost adjustment.
Tbh all healer powersets need to have max range healing like celestial does. No healer should be forced to play mid-range or close to it. Healers should be waaaaaaaaaaaay in the back away from harms way keeping team mates alive.
So many layers of stuff over stuff over stuff... is just too much...! 😐
First
Did we ask?