What Happened to China's "Apache Attack Helicopter" ?
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2025
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This is China’s Z-10 the People’s Liberation Army's signature attack helicopter, also known as Fierce Thunderbolt. Some experts call it the Chinese Apache. Meanwhile the PLA even claim it’s better than their western counterparts. It does bear a striking resemblance to the American Apache but are they close siblings or distant kissin’ cousins? China claims this is their first domestically produced attack helicopter but we’ll see that’s not exactly true. Does the Z-10 really have the latest S-tier improvements in weaponry and avionics? I’m your average infantryman Chris Cappy hit that like and subscribe button and let's find out.
Written by: Chris Cappy & Armando Duarte Galan
Video Edited.by: Michael Michaelides
But China had a major problem because After that whole incident with Pratt and Whittney, they could no longer obtain the PWC engines, so they started using their own version, the WZ-9 Turboshaft engines. These were developed with Ukrainian and Russian assistance. According to an article from aviation week.com In 1994 A secret contract was signed with the Kamov Design Bureau of Russia in order to design the helicopter airframe. Each engine has a power of 1,000 kW and although it’s not as powerful as the first engine, it allowed for lower operational costs and freedom from all those pesky international political issues. Because of the lower power, the variant Z-10A has a reduced weight that includes a redesigned nose, twin 90-degree upward engine exhaust ports, less armor protection and a smaller weapon load. They had to cut the advanced sensor suite too and choose a moderate suite. Not perfect, but good enough for their purposes.
By 2016, the PLA announced that they had equipped all of its ground force aviation units with the Z-10. Chinese culture is known for their emphasis on symbolism and their attack helicopters are no different. Because their 2016 delivery marked the 30th anniversary of the establishment of the PLA’s aviation force.
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Capitan you got free money from apple today… I was definitely going to watch it without the AD
I'm an android user. Sorry.
OMG, I never heard the whole story about Pratt & Whitney selling to China. I worked for a UTC company at the time, and all of a sudden we had to start export control classification of everything. We were making air conditioners, so it seemed ridiculous. But the people who explained why made it sound like someone accidentally shared something with China they weren't supposed to. This doesn't sound like an accident at all though.
Capitalism is nobody's friend but money's.
@ProbablyNotAChicken
Name a better system. It's not socialism. Ask someone who lives in a Socialist society.
Paper tigers.
@@ProbablyNotAChicken What are talking about? How else can a person born into poverty have an opportunity to become whatever they want to be with the right choices and good hard work? Communism doesn't allow that. It's completely unthinkable in a Monarchy. I don't know why it's so cool to bash capitalism these days. If you're upset with the corporations, then stop buying thier products! But the corporations won't dissappear under Socialism, and the rich will still be rich. The dream of economic equality in reality will be everyone equally poor, except for the super rich who will control everything. That's what always happens when communism takes over. But you people apparently don't know about history. It's a shame what the education systems are pushing these days.
@@markmitchell457Norway, Denmark, UK, post WWII to Reagan USA (when top tax bracket rates were up to 90%, unions were strong, and basically every male who served got a free education), Sweden, Iceland, Republic of Ireland, etc. are all examples of socialism. The US as is, Russian Federation, Brazil, Saudi Arabia, Belarus, Afghanistan, and Pakistan are examples of modern capitalism in effect. I'd argue it's more totalitarianism vs libertarianism that's the debate we should be having. I say this as a leftist libertarian, but I think we can all agree no one should have more money than God. Can you make more than me for a harder, more dangerous job? Absolutely. Is being a C-level/President/business owner worth billions a year? Absolutely not.
Z-10 looks more like the Eurocopter Tiger rather than the Apache in my opinion.
是的，这博主不懂武器的。这和阿帕奇没任何关系。
@@cool-0501it makes it more suitable for his audience, who actively defaces China, an adversary. If it had been a helicopter of an ally, the title would be vastly different.
It looks more like A-129/T-129 attack helicopter ...
You're blind or work for china
yeah, the Z-10 is officially classified as a medium weight attack helicopter similar to the Eurocopter Tiger where as apache, MI28 and KA52 are heavy weight attack helicopters.
i like the way on the intro that he said "distant kissing cousins"
The one thing that this video overlooked is that the marine corps chose the cobra for a reason. The cobra is simpler to operate and 4 to 5 times more cost effective. For example the maintenance hour to flight hour is is 1/8 that of the Apache. The fuel burn rate 2/3 more efficient and offer a similar time on station and better performance at low altitudes which are the only reason for its existence. Now to say that the Apache is apex of rotary wing attack platforms is an understatement. I'm not going to pull a warthunder and blab specifics but some of the lesser known capabilities of the Apache really put into perspective on how much more advanced the US is compared to any adversary.
Marines can't afford Apaches. They get the table scraps from every other branch.
@@kerbalairforce8802 oh yeah, thanks for that. I almost forgot, a single Apache longbow with full armament cost more than 3 cobras.
@@kerbalairforce8802 My guy out here spittin truth. Had a guy in tech school who was a former Marine. It blew his mind that the Air Force trainees get to keep the books we used in class.
Don't forget the parts commonality with the Venom
Yeah, but it didn't develop a reputation of the enemy surrendering at the sight of one.
4 z10 were given to Pakistan by china earlier for trials. Pakistan conducted extensive tests and trials on it and finally returned them back due to some issues. Pakistan had reportedly identified 30 or so issues and suggested many improvements which were included in Z10me version and now Pakistan has placed a significant order for them. China gave these helicopters to Pakistan for extreme testing because of Pakistan's 4 decades of experience with American cobra attack helicopters which saw a lot of combat in Pakistan's mountainous regions.
The terrain in pakistan is also punishing, great place to test a helicopter
At first I thought you were going into some LOTR meme LoL. I guess China is a bit like Mordor.
Source by India Scammer Center...??? 😋😜😁🐄🐮
@@hiteshadhikari It wasnt that pakistan didnt recieve the turkish helis because they were sanctioned but because the turkish helicopter uses an american engine and the U.S could deny them the helis. But thats not the turks doing it its still the U.S
It's all Tofu contractors.
Masters of the Air was really well done. I wish they would do more military aviation shows like that.
I’m not all the way through the video so I’m not sure if you touch on this. But part of the reason why attack helicopters became so important for China in the 1990s is because of the effect U.S. helicopters had on Iraqi armor in Desert Storm. Chinese military officers write about this in a series of essay that is now a book called “Unrestricted Warfare”
Honestly Desert Storm probably surprised many people including military experts. Nobody realized just how effective the US military had become since Vietnam. Add to that just new kinds of warfare: stealth attack, bunker busters, helicopter attack raids, special forces assault. It was a much newer kind of warfare, that if you didn't prepare to cou ter, would sweep over you pretty quickly.
At the end of the day, I don't fault China for wanting a strong defense. But their goal to invade Taiwan is untenable and unacceptable.
what a wild title for a volume of essays, daaang was my reaction to it
It is written by 2 generals in the PLA? It was a dissertation on how to control all fronts of warfare by using economic, hacking, soft power, and legal loopholes to continue bombarding the western world with propaganda, whilst avoiding kinetic warfare (at the time they were aware that the could not win a nuclear or kinetic war at all) , then they later talk on what strategies to use in the event of a hot war with westwrn forces and how to induce the most damage to their "enemy" similar to how Japan had to attack the west to expand in Asia for resources and economic growth. @MarkWeihe-oh8hb
War in Ukraine has shown attack helicopters are more vulnerable on the battlefield than planners assumed...
@@maryginger4877no, everybody always knew it from the start.... It's tools, there is a place and time for tools... In Ukraine Russians and Ukrainians use what they have, they can't choose...russia is a disaster and Ukraine didn't have much to start with the with in the first place...
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damn right ive been waiting years for this to come out! It cant beat BoB but its going to be good.
Then there's the rigetti shirt. Are they a sponsor or did he just get the shirt at a quantum computing startup yardsale? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
(I want a rigetti shirt, too.)
Seriously. That's one commercial I didn't fast fwd through, I'm AMPED, even though odds are it will be a disappointment in comparison to BoB. Kind of a bummer though that whatever soldiers they feature aren't alive to enjoy it, which also makes me nervous about how many liberties they took with the story
Two decades behind? That's unreal. Thanks for this video!!
He has to tell fairytales about others as taught by his mentor little joe blows.
They might not outsmart Apaches, but rather outnumber them
After its first flight the Apache took 11 years to enter service. Now no one complains about how long it took. It's the end product that matters. Update: The Flanker also took a long time to develop. There was a big redesign. T-10 to T-10S. Flanker A to B.
U$ & it's al'lies dubbed it as an "Apache" copycat ...and also belittle it's capabilities .
Z-10 is also armed with Millimeter wave-guided missiles .
Z-10 supplementing the Z-19 and Z-9 ... for a total of at least 500 AH & Gunship .
And the flanker is a bit of a lemon. The redesign was a desperate attempt to get a working platform out of it at a reasonable cost.
I actually genuinely agree with you @@DanielJoyce
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165I actually genuinely agree with you and finally some one who l found in the comment section that actually has a functioning brain for once.
Takes a lot of time to go from prototype to battlefield grade. Development cycle for the F35 was something like 25 years. Abrams was 16 years. MiG25 was 9 years, T14 is 14 years. Getting out a weapon system that is up to grade takes a lot of time.
The Z10ME version is actually pretty good. Has a top mounted millimeter wave radar like the longbow.
Yeah well, some of us get a cut of that $500m "anti Chinese misinformation" propaganda money from Uncle Sam, so...
those tibetan monks wont know what hit them
They, "got a FINE" for selling those engines to China??? How can they not be sitting in federal prison for life?
Accepting bribes ?.....🤣🤣🤣
It's important to understand that it wasn't the U.K., France, Italy, or other countries helped China, but that profit-driven private corporations helped. _That's_ the real problem.
Facts
Much like how Nvidia openly made 4090D for China to go around the us government ban on 4090 ti,
Like what are these companies thinking earn until they are at the doorstep, then what?
@@AmalDasPV Capitalism: Loyalty to currency over country or conscience.
No, because they could have just done what America did and banned companies from helping. They didn't.
There's no problems into that, people are bashing China because it's the enemy of all the West governments, and that what all their media says. But some people don't realise that not everyone thinks China is "bad". This controversy is purely political, and some company don't want to give a shit about those politics.
South Africa built a helicopter like this in the 80’s & 90’s. Denel created the look to aim system back then. In the South African-Chinese relationship has become exceedingly strong over the years.
Unfortunately yes!
@@patrickcannell2258 I’m sure the USA has benefited technologically from friendly relations with the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Canada.
@Bk6346 sure. I don't support communist regimes at all.
Exactly, USA had benefitted from cooperation from other countries? So why “unfortunately yes” for china? Is china an aggressor nation? It has not been so far in the last 50 years…
I thought I saw a bit of the Rooivalk in that Chinese chopper
"Because those engines are strong, independent engines that don't need no pilot to tell them what to do!". Man, you are freakin hilarious.
The Apache is modified to be used at sea by the British, so if the US wanted to, it could make the same modiications to make sea worthy Apaches. Of course due to the US industrial military complex, instead of taking the existing work of its closest ally for basically free, it has to give Boeing millions just to due the same work that the Brits already did.
For the most part it’s just the ability to align the INS on a moving boat and a few other minor things.
The Brit put there own engine on the things its very different then ours maybe their upgrades would not even be compatible. Not to mention we are flying E models now that have a completely different software suite. Brit Apache’s are way better than our d that we sent them…
Not to mention we have cobras why would our army need this capability
Probably because the Marines wanted to keep the Viper and Apache is mainly a Army attack helicopter there's always a feud between those two military branches it's pretty interesting how different Vehicles were came about for each branch because they were jealous of one another
@@brianv1988Not a feud I’d say. The army just has a different mission set than the marines do. When I was at an Apache Gunnery some marines showed up with some cobra. It was pretty cool to see the similarities and differences between the 2 helicopters. Apaches are big and made to pack a punch. Cobras are small and made to fit on a boat.
@@tristansundquist1834 I'm not necessarily talking about these two helicopters in general I'm talking about throughout history I guess it's not really a feud but maybe a friendly rivalry. what would you call it
Yes the us army had run training showing the Apache pulling off landing craft operations !
It resembles the AW129 a lot more than it resembles the Apache IMO, visually at least
That's because it borrows more from. The AW than it does Apache.
I don't know why Americans insist on this, when both visual and internal similarities are closer to Agusta-Westland helicopters than they are any American helicopters.
@@blackkn1ght Because region locks for this video are US-centric, and the general viewer would be far more familiar with the Apache than the AW. I'll admit that even I had to look up what the AW looked like because my memory was that it was similar to the Apache. Would a European content creator draw comparisons with their own material? Or that of another nation's? Generally speaking.
I think the parallel being drawn is to imply the Z-10 is on par in performance terms with the Apache. In term of appearance I'd say it looks like a mix of Tiger and an Mi-28, both of which are essentially Apaches off wish.
I'd say it looks more like a South African Rooivalk.
Yup or the tiger
75 million and no one went to jail...
Was tha Hillary
prolly
Ridiculous
Front-line whispers 😂 I like the ocassional silliness! Shows a great sense of humour and that you don't take yourself too seriously.
that, and the original prototype's "strong, independent engines who don't need no pilot to tell them what to do!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
This becoming my absolute channel on all youtube. It's not just the content , but also how you present your content. Please keep the great work going.
A bit cartoonish. So the Z-10 is Russian and is a copy of the Apache so then the Russians copied the Americans, which it somehow forgets to mention.
Band of brothers just left me speechless!! Story and the cinema photography are so awesome, and it really gave you a good look into real wars!! Imagine having to do that every day,you are basically James Bond everyday, a crazy adventure, killing and friends being killed!! These guys were the best!!
Funny how big corporations only get fined when threatening national security. Individuals would go to prison.
Sometimes I don't understand why PWC sold those engines to China. They get short term profits but with that, China will just reverse engineer the engines and make a local version and they can't sue.
Probably that civilian contract was too juicy at the time. Honestly it not the first time a smaller defense company decides to sell parts because there is no contract in the U.S., though normally it is to countries that they can expect no issues from dealing with like the NATO bloc in Europe.
The PRC checkbook is really fat. Even US corporations are not immune to the allure of wheelbarrows full of money.
In the realm of technology, you are at the forefront, recognizing that the Chinese will eventually catch up. It's a matter of time and quality, and many companies grasp that concept. It's simply a question of when， Will China cease to develop the engine indefinitely if the agreement with Ukraine's JSC Motor Sich falls through?
You need to understand why foreign companies or governments treat the purchase or theft of these technologies as invisible. Besides giving too much money. There is actually a balanced strategy.
If the United States had no enemies, it would turn around and eat its own little brother. So governments and politicians with strategic vision in Europe and America will overlook this situation. Shaping a powerful enemy, Americans will not turn their heads and eat their little brother.
Isn't that how technological progress works? Everything is stolen from Germany and UK in ww1. If anyone cannot reverse engineering, then technology will be as slow as a snail. Also China put pressure on the west so they make better equipment than the cheap made Chinese one. So stop blaming China for everything, put your foot on their boots.
I like how your channel is filmed, unlike those channels which they stick their face in the shot all the time..
15:48 The casual War Thunder loading screen drop lmao
Just for context PWC had revenues of around 16 billion in 2022. 75 mil does not seem like much of a deterrent.
It looks more like a functioning "Eurocopter" which is hilarious because the greatest French and German (helicopter) minds got together, saying "NOO WE DON'T NEED APACHES, WE NEED OUR OWN" and everything French about it literally doesn't work. It genuinely spends most of its time grounded, 10/10.
One of my top 10 fav yt creators.
Frontline whispers
Love it.
Apache AH-64E only has 4 hardpoints. Main difference from previous D version it has a new engine and composite rotor blades giving it a higher payload capacity thus allowing it to carry its long bow radar. Otherwise if has both long bow radar and 6 hard points it will be too heavy.
@baronvonslambert
The D model Variant was designed for Longbow.
The E model comes with modernized computer systems for the radar system and fully integrated systems for working with UAS (unmanned aerial systems). The wingtip nylons for A2A combat was on the D models, however it isn't within US Army doctrine to conduct A2A combat with a helicopter originally designed to wreck Rusky tanks. Israeli and, I believe, UK D models do use those hard points. The E-model eliminated those hardpoints in favor of airframe survivability equipment.
I know it's vague, but I don't know what is or isn't open public information in regards to all the upgrades.
How do you explain the U.K. mk1 and mk2 versions having 6 hard points and longbow?
If you will review my comment, I stated that those are A2A hard points on the tip of the wings and did mention that UK does utilize those. Now if these hard points are located elsewhere on the wings then theu may be specialty designed to meet their doctrine/equipment needs. My main disclaimer is that I was an AH-64 maintainer in the Active U.S. Army for 12 years. U.S. Apache are the only ones I can claim full authority on. As for allied partners' equipment, I am only familiar with a few other countries' equipment due to joint training opportunities.
oh my god... Band of Brothers was released in 2001?? I suddenly feel super old and I need a hug.
Looks more like a Eurocopter Tiger than an Apache.
More like Augusta-Westland A129 to be more specific)
More like Augusta-Westland A129 to be more specific)
More like Augusta-Westland A129 to be more specific)
Great video Cappy! I love your content.
BTW, you showed a picture of an AH-64 with 4 hardpoints and said it had 6. AFAIK, the AH-4 only has 4 hardpoints in all the versions I know about.
They can be fitted with wingtip rails to carry small AAMs for self defense which gives them 6 hard points, but outside of the Israeli AH64s who often carry Python AAMs for UAV duty you don't see them used very often.
@@robertbailey7798 Look at 17:50
I really need to watch Band of Brothers...thing is I have a medal boxset of it...given to me by a WW2 veteran that I was close to when I was alot younger
So as much as I want to watch it, I feel horrible I hadn't of watched it before together and spent more time with him, for almost a decade its been proud above my bed
RIP Tom
HML/A-167 Cobra making an appearance! Thanks Cappy!
It's a blast to watch well researched videos like this then go hang out with some old vets.
U$ & it's al'lies dubbed it as an "Apache" copycat ...and also belittle it's capabilities .
Z-10 is also armed with Millimeter wave-guided missiles .
Z-10 supplementing the Z-19 and Z-9 ... for a total of at least 500 AH & Gunship .
master of the air is the best WWII series that i've watched!!
Not enough slapping in the telenovela segment… but jokes aside, love your content man. Got my dad and brother watching you too!
It looks closer to a Augusta or T129 atak
Rooivalk
Well the T129 is basically a license production of the AW129 with some updates.
Dude, I’m pretty sure the AH64D has four under wing pylons - like most attack helicopters. Sone apaches can be equipped with wingtip mounted Stingers or sidewinders though.
They can but normally the ah 1z is ment for air defence
Chinese Boss: how do we know this thing will work?
Chinese Employee: let's sell it to Pakistan, and we'll watch
U$ & it's al'lies dubbed it as an "Apache" copycat ...and also belittle it's capabilities .
Z-10 is also armed with Millimeter wave-guided missiles .
Z-10 supplementing the Z-19 and Z-9 ... for a total of at least 500 AH & Gunship .
That has worked out well !
Pakistan is China's only ally which has some real war experience (exclude Russia) so China really depends on Pakistan for their weapons testing as Pakistan tests many Chinese weapons and provides feedback as with the case of Z-10M which had some issues as said by Pakistan in a report to China. China changed the engine, did major changes in Z-10M and returned with a new variant called Z-10ME. Pakistan finally ordered the Z-10ME variant which had a much more powerful engine to fly in Pakistan's mountainous terrain which has some of the world's tallest mountains.
Thumbs up for mentioning tiananmen square :D
I loved "Band of Brothers". It is, as you say, epic, very interesting, and fairly instructive!
Great video, just one quick note/correction regarding their navigation system you mentioned, called The BeiDou. The BeiDou is already operational for a long time and constellation has more satellites than GPS or any other system. It also has more than ten times the monitoring stations in other countries than have been deployed for GPS. Also satellites are of newer generation than GPS satellites .As a result BeiDou's accuracy is much better.
The Z-10 is as domestically produced as their J-10
Did they even invent chop stix?
Or PL-7, or PL-8...
@@etstamar4063 or the j-35
Also the z10 was designed by kamov and the j10 it's based in the mig pakfa prpposal
@@ignacio3890 the J-10 is designed on the IAI Lavi project
i have band of brothers on dvd, i watched it when i was just 16 but i couldnt watch the whole series because i watched it with a friend who pirated only a view episodes
now i have every episode and its SO GOOD
vets themself described the battles to the writer of the series, many things happened what is shown in the series and one was on the set for 1 sec because he thought he see ghosts and was never on set again (probably because of ptsd)
they wanted to make it as realistic as possible, even the actors looked like the soldiers
Front-line Whispers now joins General Hostility as my favorite soap operas!
Previous UK Apaches were equipped with flotation bags & changes to the canopy to allow crew to escape in a water landing . Were replacibg our fleet with pretty much the new Apache "Guardian" same as the US Army. I think these all come with same modifications the UK made as standard.
The American engine is slightly less powerful than the British one, but I think you're right - the American AH-1E and British AH-1F provide mostly the same capability.
My Uncle (Dick Carey) was the air exec of 100th in 1943. Ditched in the North Sea after a raid in the u-Boat pens in Kiel. He was 95 pounds when liberated from StalagLuft III
Taiwan Infantry Grunt 1: "Four Z10s coming in low at 3 o'clock, 1000 meters!"
Taiwan Infantry Grunt 2: "Meh, Task & Purpose made a video about those. They only have four weapons attachment hard points compared to the Apache's 6, and the chin cannon has a lower rate of fire than the Apache's."
Taiwan Infantry Grunt 1: "Sorry I blew up, man, for a second I thought we had a problem."
U$ & it's al'lies dubbed it as an "Apache" copycat ...and also belittle it's capabilities .
Z-10 is also armed with Millimeter wave-guided missiles .
Z-10 supplementing the Z-19 and Z-9 ... for a total of at least 500 AH & Gunship .
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 spam that chinese propaganda, chang, get those yuan
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"thelastchang/verylastchang" the bots !
I'm a China-friendly foreign netizen that's also against Zionism.
Call me a moron but I wished the RAH-66 Comanche would've become the standard. Can you get any cooler than a "stealth" reconnaissance attack helicopter? I wanna buy one!
Bell Helicopter is working on a new stealth helicopter. Cappy did a video on it.
@@Josephus_da_Killeri believe it's the Bell Invictus. It does resemble the Comanche
I agree, that platform had a lot going for it, and still does. Sure it was already a bit outdated when they stopped the program but updating that well developed design with newer radar and avionics should be easy (or at least easier than starting from scratch). It was by no means the missile truck the AH-64 is, but a great light helicopter suitable for recon and light attack.
Check out the 360 Invictus..it's everything the RAH-66 Commanche was intended to be, but kept fully up to date..
Commanche was in danger of becoming obsolete, by the time it would've been fielded, as it was taking too long.
So, now you've got the best of both worlds, all the research into commanche, but with all the more cutting edge tech.
Patience, Grasshopper..
Reckon It's gonna be worth the wait.
The irony of it is that the weapons they help create and build are now pointed against them.
I cant stop watching this guys channel, such high quality content. Thank You!!!
and US propaganda
@@elcormoran1
Better than Canadian propaganda
@@ruger8412 and miles ahead of chinese and russian propaganda
Great presentation! Interesting info on the Z10. I was wondering how much was original PRC ingenuity. Incidentally, great sponsor. I just happen to be streaming Band of Brothers again. Just didn’t register how log it’s been since it was released.
like J10, Z10 is just them tiptoeing into attack helicopters. The next gen of attack helicopters, which is under development, will have more ingenuity
My only comment on the Apache is the UK version is design to operate at sea on our carriers and assault ships and has several modification to allow them to do so
Whenever China says they've made "the best in the world," I am immediately skeptical.
becuase you like to cope
DJI is.
@@johnc1873Chinese nuclear forces missiles full of water instead of fuel.
Their QC is garbage too.
@@levelaznChinese battery starts on fire. Chinese drones are cheap garbage. Chinese 5g is stolen from Canadian company nortel decades ago.
Having lived in China, I've realized that the most pessimistic reports about it are generally the most accurate.
AH-64D has 4 wing mounts. End stabs are unused. AH-64E is planned to get 6 wing mounts due to upgraded transmission and engines.
Still, more weapons = less fuel and ammo.
You know in the NAVY we have the saying lose lips...
AH-64E was first fielded in 2013ish and still only has 4 weapon attachment points. No plans completely redesign the wings to support that addition.
@@rgloria40 It was from PR releases...
@@robertpittard1 it's coming. Not gonna be so many heavy hellfire racks. Additionally stuff is for UAV related pods and sensors. I doubt it will be any heavy stuff far outboard
@@robertpittard1so the British mk1 which is also navalised and carries longbow is still superior to the E variant 😮
I just noticed that they're funneling the exhaust from the engines RIGHT BACK UP AGAINST THE ROTORS. I mean, it's straight up, which would counter actual lift coming from the central rotor.
Dude.
Thats just...
Wow.
Well done P&W for helping a rival country develop their weaponry.
Guess they are hoping to benefit from urgent government funding to go and develop something better?
Who is your rival ? China is created to be enemy by USA
It looks much more like a Eurocopter Tiger than an Apache
U$ & it's al'lies dubbed it as an "Apache" copycat ...and also belittle it's capabilities .
Z-10 is also armed with Millimeter wave-guided missiles .
Z-10 supplementing the Z-19 and Z-9 ... for a total of at least 500 AH & Gunship .
Yes i have the same thinking, seeing the shape of the helicopter it more resembling to Tiger.
Well on the performance aspect, im not going to underestimate it, its a cool gunship too 😁
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 Made in China weapons...yawn.....
wave-guided missiles? You mean radar guided... @@peekaboopeekaboo1165
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 Going off the embarrassment of past Chinese weapons systems... No one in the world is worried about the Chinese Military. The Chinese military are all about quantity over quality.
I have to admit that this is among the best looking chopper ever designed. And yes, it looks much cooler than the Apache (I perfer the Cobra anyway).
I'm curious...who went to prison for violating the embargo by giving China the PW engine technology? I mean somebody had to do jail time for that, right?
Probably not...
If you go to jail for export control issues it's because you messed up repeatedly, we're given the oppurtunity to correct it, and you still continued to do wrong.
Fun fact, at university, the export control office is the one group who tells you to racially profile, when it comes to discussing research in areas that are export controlled. Basically discussing research details to a non US citizen counts as an export of technologies.
Canadian companies have always known what they are doing, and the Canadian government also knows. Due to pressure from the United States, the engine was cut off.
But no one was imprisoned and no one was punished because, to put it bluntly, this is business. In order to make money.
@@LTW76 Canadians can know anything except logging and mining, oh my god
@@LTW76 Thanks for the update.
The z 10 looks like a SA Rooivalk is it just me ? 😅
No!! I thought it looked like a Rooivalk had mated with a Eurotiger!!
@kc9602 I agree it does look like a weird love child .
Looks a lot like the italian one too. Same concepts and missions tends to bring the same design maybe :)
Dude, that's a badass sponsor to pull!
I assume he's using the term apache partly for name recognition, what it actually looks similar to is the AW129
U$ & it's al'lies dubbed it as an "Apache" copycat ...and also belittle it's capabilities .
Z-10 is also armed with Millimeter wave-guided missiles .
Z-10 supplementing the Z-19 and Z-9 ... for a total of at least 500 AH & Gunship .
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 Pratt & Whitney selling to China...AND GOT A TEEEEENY SLAP ON WRIST.....
Thanks Pratt & Whitney. Another fine example of how corporations have no allegiance other than to the almighty $$$.
Dude, Lockheed Martin would sell the F22 to China and Russia if Congress didn't pass laws against it. It's insane. Sadly it's not just business execs. Engineers and even former military will gladly share secrets for money.
Were they ever punished for it ?
And the (cough) Obama state department (cough, cough)
The only exception in Apache Naval operations is found within the British Army. They used the AgustaWestland (currently Leonardo Aircraft UK) WAH-64 on board of their HMS Albion Landing Platform Helicopter and the former HMS Ocean class Ships.
So China’s new modern helicopter is equal to a Helicopter the US made in the 70’s?
The w/z 10 was originly designed by Kamov of Russia under a contract with the Chinese government (Project 491) Thats according to Sergey Mikheev, Kamov's chief design engineer. The Chineese took the design and developed it further. If you look at the project 491 blueprints they are very similar (externally at least)
Problem with this claim is that it looks nothing Russian. Russia's gunships and helicopters looks like they came from the 70s where the z-10 has modern designs.
@@downtomars6268 Eh maybe that's because they were originally designed in the late 70s and 80s. That helicopter was designed in 1995. Look up the Mi-38 or the Ka-62, they look much like any other western design.
@@downtomars6268 Kamov actually said they wanted the Z-10 more stealthy than their older designs. So there's some RCS reduction incorporated, which is why Z-10 looks so smooth compared to Ka-52. This is also why Z-10 is lighter and carriers few weapons. It was always envisioned to have a slightly different role than heavy helicopters.
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_> it looks_
Did you drop out of middle school?
_> Russia's gunships and helicopters looks like they came from the 70s_
Because those ACTUALLY CAME from the 70s
@@APDM_Analysis Kamov had a conceptual stealth design in 2018 but it is more akin to the Ka-52 rather than the Z-10. It may or may not have had some kind role and not extensive given that there's no indication Russian parts were contributed.
Thanks for your reports!
Since there's so much foreign technology in these aircraft it would be a shame if there was a hidden kill switch embedded in the electronics or software.
West taiwans rocket force says…. Yes there is.
Knowing how giddy Pratt&Whittney was in gifting engines that are 100% digitally controlled, I would not be surprised in the SLIGHTEST if that was the case lmfao.
Think about it, why would they make an engine that cant be controlled manually, on an export aircraft to a foreign adversary?
100% theres a kill switch in them lol. The fact China cant produce them themselves, means they dont have the source code either. They wouldnt know.
That one got deleted.
Since China got the most graduated engineers, they would only take the good designs and not telling the original Western designer their lousy parts or engineering.
Helicopters can be useful. The case with Raisi is a proof.
Seems like routing the exhaust 90° up would produce unintentional thrust counter to that of the rotors reducing lift??
New to the channel, you do a great job.
welcomed to american propaganda chanel:) lol
Bro... Frontline Whispers was hilarious. Damn, Cap I was rollin'
Interesting choice of 5 blades on main rotor. I know prime numbers are often used in such propulsion systems to reduce vibration. The Russian Ka-50 uses two coaxial 3 blade rotors, possibly for the same reason.
Modern US and European attack helicopters all appear to use a 4 blade main rotor system. I'm not entirely certain of all the trade-offs but I note that similar sized commercial helicopters tend to use just 2 blades.
I note Sikorsky is touting it's 'Raider X' which has two coaxial 4 blade rotors. Certainly their is some reason for this decision.
Thnx for showing ladakh not a part of china you earned subscriber ❤🇮🇳
Ladakh is part of Tibet
@@downtomars6268 and Tibet is part of Akhand Bharat
TOW, wire-guided missile from a chopper. What could POSSIBLY go wrong?
U$ & it's al'lies dubbed it as an "Apache" copycat ...and also belittle it's capabilities .
Z-10 is also armed with Millimeter wave-guided missiles .
Z-10 supplementing the Z-19 and Z-9 ... for a total of at least 500 AH & Gunship .
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 what capabilities? paper capabilities, ZERO battle tested, just another knock off
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 mutt warrior out here with the copypasta bot spamming the comments.
nothing, nothing will go wrong as its been done and combat tested for years. same for the HOT, Milan, Vhkir *laser guided* ect
@@bigshow196 if they were made in the wes I would agree, but they are made in china.
Does it cover also the German and Japanese side or only the side of the victors ?
Check this:
Denel Rooivalk
Cruise speed: 278 km/h
Engine type: Turbomeca
First flight: 1990
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They have made huge improvements in it when pakistan rejected z10 in 2015 bcz of low power Pakistan went for AH1Z when US rejected Pakistan's request for viper and T129 bcz of pratt and whitney engines using in it Pakistan went for z10m.
they have made much improvements in it including its engine,armoured,weapons etc.
T-129 don't use Pratt & Whitney Engines. They use LHTEC-T-800 Engines.
LHTEC is a group,& consists of 2 companies.
1) 🇺🇸 Honeywell
2) 🇬🇧 Rolls Royce
Yes, they have made improvements. But still, Z-10 is not similar in class to AH-64 Apache (The whole point of the video).. It's similar to AH-1Z Viper but not AH-64 Apache
Countries like Pakistan, cannot afford AH-64 Apache, because of their expensive operational costs, almost 6-8 times more than AH-1Z Viper.
@@venome447 Thank you for correcting me.offcourse china is not yet close to US in defence tech but they are catching.
@@dailyindopak
No, China, in some fields is superior to US nowadays. Catching up rapidly in other fields.
But. AH-64 Apache & Z-10ME are helicopters of 2 Different classes.
🇺🇸AH-64 Apache & 🇷🇺Kamov Ka-52 r heavyweight
🇨🇳Z-10ME 🇷🇺Mi-28 🇹🇷T-129 & 🇺🇸AH-1Z r medium weight
🇨🇳Z-19 is & 🇮🇳 LCH r Lightweight
@@venome447 thankyou venome!
@@venome447exactly idk why people keep trying to compare a medium AH to a heavy AH. It’s almost like they have zero knowledge on attack helicopters and picked the only one they know.
You should make a kickstarter for frontline whispers 😂. I’d pay to see it 🤪
“If you poop in your dreams, you poop forreal” -Xi Jinping
Lmao
Denel Rooivalk.. I was fascinated as a kid by attack helicopters. Had a huge book on them, on the front cover was the South African Rooivalk. This platform is what China has based their helicopter on.
Thank you Cappy
I am by no means a military strategist or a researcher but the fact that it took the 20 years to build this and it still has many deficiencies is detrimental to future projects, the same thing with copying foreign tech, how do they expect to perform in a peer to peer conflict if they cant develop their own tech and have it match their adversaries?
The prevailing theory is that they have a 'zerg rush' strategy, of using overwhelming numbers of lower tech attacks like drones, meat waves, and icbms.
Which means they're unlikely to win an offensive war into territories Beijing does not already hold solid uncontested control. Even in Korea which they love to tout about the PVA tactics were essentially defeated within a few months which led to trench warfare instead. Trailing in technology is even more severely detrimental in the air and at sea which a Cross-Straits conflict would largely consist of, because there's no place for casual combatants to stage ambushes from.
I missed Band of Brothers, but I was there for HBO’s Pacific and… that show stuck with me until today. Also COD World at War was in my life so Pacific further stuck in my mind.
If you like the pacific you should Def give band of brothers a go. It's one of the best shows ever made.
Go watch Band of Brothers. It's the weekend, you can spend 10 hours. It's phenomenal. Also the casting director was amazing. There's many stars today that had small roles.
I hate it when people say "on the edge of your seat". Not a single movie has ever done that to me. :D The only thing that has are competition shows where the result is actually up for chance.
Hey Chris, love your videos. I would love to see a video on the Indian light combat helicopter, newly named Prachand. While there's a lot of videos about that helicopter, but it's all kind of Ra Ra videos. Would like to hear a critical review of that helicopter.
U$ & it's al'lies dubbed it as an "Apache" copycat ...and also belittle it's capabilities .
Z-10 is also armed with Millimeter wave-guided missiles .
Z-10 supplementing the Z-19 and Z-9 ... for a total of at least 500 AH & Gunship .
Mountainous terrain typically means altitudes that exceed helicopter ceilings. Makes me wonder if they did anything special to/for their engines or blades to account for that.
The z10 has a altitude ceiling of 20000 ft if you go by wikipedia. India's LCH also has a similar alt ceiling(21500ft) and they'll be dealing with the same mountain terrain. Looks like they know what they're doing.
Tibet has more highlands than Pakistan, so altitude alone is not a reason to do testing there.
Whatever the possible shortcomings, it is smart to respect the weapon as if everything works as advertised; if it doesn't perform, so much the better.
If anything, assume the enemy is understating their performance, readiness and numbers.
The US Army is already looking for a new attack/scout chopper, they've selected a replacement transport chopper. I'm sure they'll want to replace the nearly 50 year old apache if adversaries are catching up.
@@granatmof 👍
True, but preparing for actual threats rather than chasing paper tigers makes more sense.
@@nobodynoone2500 Indeed! And this is why we need reliable intel. The deadly surprise of the Zero in WWII comes to mind. The actual threat was ignored, so Allied air forces were unprepared.
Might as well say 737 Max was stolen from Airbus, all aircrafts of the same type look very much alike nowadays if they serve similar functions.
737 Max is based on 737 NG. The MCAS workaround is due 737 Max's legacy 737 design coupled with the larger diameter engine upgrades.
Because the CFM International LEAP engine used on the 737 MAX was larger and mounted further forward from the wing and higher off the ground than on previous generations of the 737, Boeing discovered that the aircraft had a tendency to push the nose up when operating in a specific portion of the flight envelope (flaps up, high angle of attack, manual flight). MCAS was intended to mimic the flight behavior of the previous Boeing 737 Next Generation.
737 Max should be re-designed for larger engines.
I remember watching band of brothers when it first came out on HBO. I have all 5 dvds love that series
The Tandem Cockpit layout looks more like the AH-2 Rooivalk or the A129 Mangusta more then anything else. It is like a Tiger, Rooivalk and Mangusta got smashed together.
Well, none of the labels were in Chinese so probably right
Tofu dreg!! 😂
It has one thing that American Apache doesn't have, front windshield wipers. That's why the British Apache has custom made front windshield wipers. I think the US Army uses a rain repellant coating.
I own two Chinese designed-and-made HOLOSUN "red dot" sights, one for a 5.7 x 28 pistol and one for a 9 mm pistol caliber carbine (PCC).Both are VERY durable (see Sage Dynamics YT videos) and have many features, some not found on even the most expensive Aimpoint of Trijicon red dot sights. HOLOSUN red dot sights are taking over a LARGE share of the upper end red dot market due to all the features like solar panel fo augment battery power, and very good night vision settings for example.
->All this is to say that Chinese tech is fairly advanced and should never be underestimated.
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Funny enough they tested upswept exhausts on the Apache, only for them to eventually realize that the heat signature grew 3x and made it way more vulnerable.
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