In my experience for long parts you do want to double wire. Also, for spokes I would put wire around threads because it is not plated perfectly under wire and you will see darker lines. Where threads is it would be hidden after install
I also check the PHin the plating bath. It can rise with use and it should be around 5.5. If you ever need to lower it ad a little muriatic acid let the pump run 15/30 minutes then re check. I had a big problem with the plating flaking and hoping like popcorn as it dried and I think it was the plating " pickeling" bath with high PhLevels. FYI
You must have a hidden camera in my shop. As I’m restoring my 250r I keep saying I should really be plating these things to the wife.. I don’t have a kit but perhaps will get one in future and redo my builds hardware. Just crazy timing!
Thank You. If there is anything I can't stand is a long intro with insane amounts of dialog and perhaps a ridiculous short intro video. By the time I get thru the ads and this cover your ass " I'm not wearing a mask but you should" dialog sometimes shot from the dash cam as the creator is driving home from work, your in 5 minutes and haven't got to any point. This sometimes is a video to show what end of the screwdriver is the handle. That said I try to edit out most of my rambling but some sneaks thru.
You could use half the water supply in all buckets as there only small parts plus just use longer copper hangers for the bolts to hang off. Not sure why many platers use ten litres of liquid for the part just to sit just above the water. It seems a lot of its wastage if you don’t intend to do large parts. I’d say you could still plate at a consistency of 5 litres. Bigger volume items like a brake caliper will raise the water level. It seems that you could plate lower water levels saving on solutions and acid and get the same results. When my dad worked in a plating factory the tanks were only half full. Stops over spilling and costs of the acid as when the items go in it would raise the water level due to volume of items.
Your absolutely right! I have gone down on the rinse bucket size and probably could go even smaller. The price of distilled water has gone crazy. I could even eliminate the " rinse after plating bucket " and just spray parts off before and after the chromate dip.
@@JTSCUSTOMS Yes I have just brought a plating kit at 10 litres and I was thinking well I only plate small items why do I need 10 litres it just takes longer to heat up and I could half everything including the electrolyte. I totally agree with you it’s crazy prices. Keep the 10 litre buckets but only fill half way. As a lot seems excessive to waste. Plus you will save on acid and cleaners. Unless your plating long items and need the depth of 10 litres. But with the home kits there only for small items. Nuts and bolts and brackets etc. then the thought of my dad working at the plating factory and me walking through the factory as a kid made me think the tanks were only half full. That’s why because you don’t need them full.. memories trigger for today. Great content
Yes and if you think something is wrong with your pickle solution, I have found the PH is hi or low. To lower the PH add a table spoon of Muriatic Acid and let circulate for 30+ min then re check. It may take many doses but be carful to not add too much. Go slow. Distilled water is the only thing I use anywhere around the plating area! Also i have gone to using a spray bottle with distilled water in all steps. I just spray the part real good then dip in the rinse. By doing that I can use smaller buckets and change the water less often. Water has got insane price wise!
@@andrewgerber7863 If I remember correctly the black chromate has 3 parts, did you use the Casswell and follow the directions on mixing?? I have had nothing but GREAT results. How long are you plating the parts for? I was not keeping pieces in the plating tank long enough and had some problems with powdery finish. It was also due to hi PH in the pickle tank.
@JTSCUSTOMS I have been playing with the same bolts all day. I thought I had it the last time bolt looked like it had a nice coat of zink on it . The surface area called for 3.04 amps. I left it in for 15 minutes. I washed it off and put it in the Black chromate it seems to turn black, but when it dries, it starts parts of it, turn white, and yes, this is the caswell 3 gallon kit.
@@andrewgerber7863 Hard to tell witout pics. What colors of chromate are you using. did you ever get a good result in any color? Get me a pic of the bolts you plated @ 3 amps?
You are doing something right. I was battling a dull finish for a long time and ran the pickling bath through a coffee filter and added some muriatic acid to lower the HP and now things shine like chrome!
You just pull the anodes" metal plates", pump, and heater out of the plating tank and put the bucket lid on it. Supposedly it will last practically forever. The de-geaser that is on the hot plate is just covered and stored. In fact everything is simply covered. I have had this system for 3 years and changed out the plating bath once and de-greser twice. My fault on the plating bath as I think I contaminated it somehow.
Why do You call it "the pickling solution"? The name is electrolyte, or zinc bath. Pickling solution is a totally different thing - the acid bath, used to "activate" the surface of the part, before plating or before passivating.
If you look at my ATC200X Part 5 video and fast forward to 30.30 in you will see the shift lever. It was plated in the black and it is quite shinny! Seams like the shinier you prep the part the shinier it comes out?
That is just unbelievable! This world economy will have to collapse as normal people will no longer afford anything but food and that means layoffs at the water distillery. Maybe they will get hired at the whisky distillery?
You spent almost a quarter of an hour to tell us You were going to get right into the process. Good job!
Thank you. Great video.
I'm no pro but want my videos to be like a friend is in my shop and I am explaining what I do.
In my experience for long parts you do want to double wire. Also, for spokes I would put wire around threads because it is not plated perfectly under wire and you will see darker lines. Where threads is it would be hidden after install
Makes total sense
I also check the PHin the plating bath. It can rise with use and it should be around 5.5. If you ever need to lower it ad a little muriatic acid let the pump run 15/30 minutes then re check. I had a big problem with the plating flaking and hoping like popcorn as it dried and I think it was the plating " pickeling" bath with high PhLevels. FYI
Thanks for this demonstration, I think I may try this on my 1970 CT70 restore.
I find it enjoyable but if your short on time it can be stressful. I don't even try to plate unless I have 4 or 5 hours to putter on it.
You must have a hidden camera in my shop. As I’m restoring my 250r I keep saying I should really be plating these things to the wife.. I don’t have a kit but perhaps will get one in future and redo my builds hardware. Just crazy timing!
It is a lot of fun if you like details!
Caswell kits work great. I could never get the results i wanted with a home brew set up.
Lol I'm starting replating on my 85' 250R rn 😂
Do you add the part A and part B Together, are they measured when you recieve the kit or do you need to measure out the contents.
I think the degreaser is one part with distilled water?
@JTSCUSTOMS I figured it out but thank you. My bolts came out looking like chrome almost, I polished them up real fast after plating.
When calculating the outer area of the spoke, it's so weird that they want the radius, when the calculation uses diameter. Dia x Pi x Length
Ya. I just do a rough estimate and try a couple and see how they come out. If they don't look good I try more or less current and see.
Fantastic no bs well explained
Thank You. If there is anything I can't stand is a long intro with insane amounts of dialog and perhaps a ridiculous short intro video. By the time I get thru the ads and this cover your ass " I'm not wearing a mask but you should" dialog sometimes shot from the dash cam as the creator is driving home from work, your in 5 minutes and haven't got to any point. This sometimes is a video to show what end of the screwdriver is the handle. That said I try to edit out most of my rambling but some sneaks thru.
Make sure not to add too much brightener
You could use half the water supply in all buckets as there only small parts plus just use longer copper hangers for the bolts to hang off. Not sure why many platers use ten litres of liquid for the part just to sit just above the water. It seems a lot of its wastage if you don’t intend to do large parts. I’d say you could still plate at a consistency of 5 litres. Bigger volume items like a brake caliper will raise the water level. It seems that you could plate lower water levels saving on solutions and acid and get the same results.
When my dad worked in a plating factory the tanks were only half full. Stops over spilling and costs of the acid as when the items go in it would raise the water level due to volume of items.
Your absolutely right! I have gone down on the rinse bucket size and probably could go even smaller. The price of distilled water has gone crazy. I could even eliminate the " rinse after plating bucket " and just spray parts off before and after the chromate dip.
@@JTSCUSTOMS Yes I have just brought a plating kit at 10 litres and I was thinking well I only plate small items why do I need 10 litres it just takes longer to heat up and I could half everything including the electrolyte. I totally agree with you it’s crazy prices. Keep the 10 litre buckets but only fill half way. As a lot seems excessive to waste. Plus you will save on acid and cleaners. Unless your plating long items and need the depth of 10 litres. But with the home kits there only for small items. Nuts and bolts and brackets etc. then the thought of my dad working at the plating factory and me walking through the factory as a kid made me think the tanks were only half full. That’s why because you don’t need them full.. memories trigger for today. Great content
Your best friend will be a spray bottle of distilled water. It could do away with some rinsing
@@JTSCUSTOMS Brilliant, Really appreciate your content and advice it is very valuable. Will definitely use a spray bottle for rinsing. 👍
With your pickling solution do you just add more distilled water when it starts to evaporate?
Yes and if you think something is wrong with your pickle solution, I have found the PH is hi or low. To lower the PH add a table spoon of Muriatic Acid and let circulate for 30+ min then re check. It may take many doses but be carful to not add too much. Go slow. Distilled water is the only thing I use anywhere around the plating area! Also i have gone to using a spray bottle with distilled water in all steps. I just spray the part real good then dip in the rinse. By doing that I can use smaller buckets and change the water less often. Water has got insane price wise!
@JTSCUSTOMS for some reason, when using black chromate as my parts are drying, they are turning gray. Do you have any idea what I'm doing wrong ?
@@andrewgerber7863 If I remember correctly the black chromate has 3 parts, did you use the Casswell and follow the directions on mixing?? I have had nothing but GREAT results. How long are you plating the parts for? I was not keeping pieces in the plating tank long enough and had some problems with powdery finish. It was also due to hi PH in the pickle tank.
@JTSCUSTOMS I have been playing with the same bolts all day. I thought I had it the last time bolt looked like it had a nice coat of zink on it . The surface area called for 3.04 amps. I left it in for 15 minutes. I washed it off and put it in the Black chromate it seems to turn black, but when it dries, it starts parts of it, turn white, and yes, this is the caswell 3 gallon kit.
@@andrewgerber7863 Hard to tell witout pics. What colors of chromate are you using. did you ever get a good result in any color? Get me a pic of the bolts you plated @ 3 amps?
I just did a bunch of spokes. I went with a lower amp first. Then near the end i turned it up a little. They came out looking like chrome.
You are doing something right. I was battling a dull finish for a long time and ran the pickling bath through a coffee filter and added some muriatic acid to lower the HP and now things shine like chrome!
@@JTSCUSTOMS check out the cleaning pads at Prymemx. I use them for cleaning all the time. They are great for refinishing parts too.
How is it for storing? Can you cap it and use itva week later? Or is it a one shot thing?
You just pull the anodes" metal plates", pump, and heater out of the plating tank and put the bucket lid on it. Supposedly it will last practically forever. The de-geaser that is on the hot plate is just covered and stored. In fact everything is simply covered. I have had this system for 3 years and changed out the plating bath once and de-greser twice. My fault on the plating bath as I think I contaminated it somehow.
@@JTSCUSTOMS awesome, thanks for the response!!
Why do You call it "the pickling solution"? The name is electrolyte, or zinc bath.
Pickling solution is a totally different thing - the acid bath, used to "activate" the surface of the part, before plating or before passivating.
You may be right? I think Caswell support referred to it that way once? Call it what you will.
good video however I would really recommend cutting shorter the next time, all the information here could've fit in a 15min video. cheers
I agree
How shiny can you get black plating?
If you look at my ATC200X Part 5 video and fast forward to 30.30 in you will see the shift lever. It was plated in the black and it is quite shinny! Seams like the shinier you prep the part the shinier it comes out?
Scotland, $14 for a gallon of distilled water, and don't talk to me about petrol, or energy prices.🙂
That is just unbelievable! This world economy will have to collapse as normal people will no longer afford anything but food and that means layoffs at the water distillery. Maybe they will get hired at the whisky distillery?