I think the lesson is that if you try to change yourself to fit an expectation, you risk losing your self to that role (or in this case roles) to the point where you might forget who you where in the first place. She had her personality match the various saddle row customer types, but unfortunately most of the costumers here are kind of jerks because of the kind of ponies they are. That plus an existing well of suppressed emotions and that sudden confidence that certain people can get doing this kind of thing made for this sudden transition.
That would hold up if this had a better ending. The way Fluttershy just quickly snaps back to her normal self without a problem like "haha I know I upset you but I was pretending and totally aware of it the whole time!" Is really rushed. She started off in the shop being super nice, complimenting customers and helping them - and it worked great and she was doing so well! So why she then thought she needed to change and be the total opposite, insulting them and being mean, doesn't make sense. Did she just get bored and feel like switching to a nasty version of the characters? And being cruel to the raccoons, seeing them upset, and not breaking character (for ANIMALS) is so horrid.
You saw mis antrhopony's review did'nt you, well sorry but nothing was rushed. Fluttershy simply got sucked into the roles and got carried away, her snapping back makes sense because she couldn't go to another role after the third one.So she realized what she did as soon as she was normal.
I'm not even subscribed to anyone called "Mis antrhopony" Dr Wolf is pretty much the only MLP reviewer I watch, and even then it's only if I have particular feelings about an episode. Which I did for this one - hated it. Whilst modern Fluttershy is known for having a very assertive nature and a bad temper, she is still kind and has never been a pony who takes others rudeness and anger, and turns it back onto them like this. Even during the times when she is angry or rude, an animal or pony being upset or distressed is usually what snaps her back to reality, but in this case, it didn't, she didn't care one bit. She started off being really kind to customers, and it was working out great! Then for no reason she suddenly turned mean, decided she enjoyed it, and continued to hurt and upset others to the point where all the customers turned away. After ruining Rarity's business and livelihood didn't "snap her back" she was cruel to the animals, who had been nothing but kind to her. The only time she "snapped back" to herself was after Rarity told her "characters" off, which was a very selfish reason, because she didn't want her friends to be angry with her. This painted Fluttershy - even the modern short tempered, bossy Fluttershy, in a very bad light. Made her cruel, selfish, and ignorant to the feelings of others.
It wasn't so jarring for me that Fluttershy flipped to being cruel and unkind. Has everyone suddenly forgotten the Iron Will episode where she turned into "New Fluttershy" and made her friends _cry?_ Think about that for a minute. This isn't the first time Fluttershy has become nasty. Also, don't forget Rarity and Fluttershy's conversation about how much "inner strength" our favorite pink-haired pegasus has. That may or may not have flown over someone's head for being 'obvious' -- it did for me until I thought about it -- but there's a point to this. The point is that *Fluttershy craves channels for her energy.* Normally, she releases her energy by helping and caring for animals and being kind to her friends. That's a channel that she can use while remaining "herself". Now, in this episode, she couldn't easily fit into the job of running the boutique because it wasn't the right channel for her. So she needed to create a new persona, a new "her", to fit that channel. Then she created more personas, and refined them immensely, until it was hard to even see Fluttershy for the costume she was wearing at any given time. Fluttershy's real challenge here isn't "coming out of her comfort zone" so much as "trying very hard to fit in".
I like to think that a part of Fluttershy's actions throughout this entire episode are at least a bit related to her repeated exposure to Discord. Hehe. ^^ Just some of his kookiness rubbing off some, hence the mutli-firing at the end instead of her breaking out of the characters all together the first time. ^^
I. Was. Laughing. Out. Loud. That scene was HYSTERICAL! Andrea Libman and Tabitha St. Germain sold that dose of hilarity so well! I honestly think the entire episode was an excuse just to have that scene.
The lesson that I took from this episode was that you don't have to change who you are to adapt to the people around you. You have everything you need to be confident arou d others, and you can utilize it without changing or hiding who you are.
fluttershy is like all naturally shy and kind people....full of tremendous potential and skill that can meet or surpass anyone...but losing ourselves in the process. it is a sad cruel twist of fate and it takes years to master. But! It can become the hidden ace in the hole for almost any situation.
James Richardson III I’ve heard some people say she was written out of the show offscreen because of the Shennel Family Estate taking issue with the character
It was mentioned in Honest Apple that she'd started doing shows herself and I think it was her that was responsible for the disco ball dress, so she's probably too busy to help Rarity out. Would have been nice to have a quick cameo though, even just a silent one in the background at the fashion show.
Rarity did have three shop assistants she hired in The saddle row review(Okay,Rainbow for the more nitpicky crowd) and they went with her in Canterlot.Miss Pommel probably was busy as well.
In a way, Fluttershy's change of character (or characters in this case) reminds me of when the late Peter Sellers guest starred on The Muppet Show; a gypsy violinist, a German misuse, and a frontier preacher. Yet he could never be himself.
The running gag Peter Sellers would tell in all his interviews was: "You see... I had the real me surgically removed." :) And I think, the more we see multiple Fluttershies... the more I fear she'll be considering checking in to a pony clinic, for "multiple personality disorder" therapy. (I nominate Dr. Wolf as top therapist for such a challenging case!) Hmm... new/old word: Flubbershy.
I never get tired of watching Rarity react to each Fluttershy as she fired them. It makes me laugh every time. Andrea Libman needed to be Fluttershy being three other personalities, while being as randomly funny as Pinkie Pie, but still be Fluttershy.
Personal theory: Fluttershy has been spending so much time with Discord (and in his dimension) that she’s unwittingly been infused with some of his chaos magic. It would definitely explain some of the weirdness of this episode (multiple personalities, super-fast garb changes, seeming ability to be in multiple places at once, and so on...)
1:43 I may be focusing too much on just one piint, but I feel like "A friend having an Identity Crisis" would rank higher on the prority list of "Watching over a friends shop" You'd most definitly make time for the former Now that that is over time to lighen the mood Doc, you underestimate the fandom, a few day? They'll probably have tons of content by the end of the day the episode aired!
I still say this episode is badly timed when just one story between this and adding a changeling that has problems with being herself to the main cast came out. Having Ocellis do all this would make more sense and still allow the actor to swap roles and why it’s so fast.
TianPing Ong wait if it’s average why did you give it a 7? Are there 6 levels of under par? Personally I’d give it a 4/10. Libman’s acting sells her moment, but the fact they ignored Fluttershy is the one who would know stuff like thread count unlike the other mane 6, the confusing lesson she really didn’t have to learn and didn’t advance her assertions but made them backwards since she’s been able to talk to others normally unless they are mean these days etc, that makes it slightly less than an average episode for me. Nothing so bad I’d consider it harmful or boring but too many cons to recommend it for it’s one pro.
I agree! Using Ocellus would solve several story problems: It would make the quick changes more believable, since she can change completely with just a zap; it would serve to keep the Young 6 present in the story; and the "losing herself" premise wouldn't do violence to characterization, since Ocellus hasn't learned what Fluttershy has.
Frankly, I liked this episode, it reminds me a lot of me when I was a kid. Back when I had trouble fitting into certain circles, I tried taking on a bit of a new persona to try and make myself feel comfortable, otherwise I felt a little like I stood out, and not in a good way. THAT is the lesson they're trying to teach; you don't need to be someone else to have the confidence to fit in with the group. Also, I didn't really have a problem with everyone forgiving her. Considering Rarity had to fire her 3 times before she came back, I wouldn't say Fluttershy was 100% there, if you see what I mean XP Besides, I liked that resolution better to the one I was expecting (in most cartoons the friends record a sample of the main character acting this way and show them how they're really being. Boring and overdone, this way was a nice twist ^^)
I loved this episode a ton. It was so funny and the reason why is because it was not scared to throw some metaphorical punches. It did piss off some ppl but i see that as a strength. If you try to please everyone you will please no one. By taking some risk and doing this the episode was amazingly funny at the low low cost of some butthurt ppl who don't understand the jokes of the episode.
Why is every Fluttershy episode now either about emphasizing how she's not shy any more, or her being downright mean only to regress back to being nice at the end? We get it, she has confidence now. That does not explain how she is so easily able to upset, insult, and hurt others without realising how it affects them. Even to animals?!! She struggled to be stern with the Breezies even when it was for their own good, but now she can just be cruel to everyone without thinking twice? Being nasty was not helping the business. She started off being nice and that was working out great! So what on earth made her think "I have to start treating everyone like dirt now" I'll never understand? Why would the element of kindness, or ANYONE ELSE think "being nice is working, but I'm bored of it so let's be nasty for no reason."
She got lost in the roles and picked up the rudeness the customers were radiating. Some people are mirrors like that, where if you approach them angry and hostile, they'll be hostile right back. However, if you approach them respectfully, they'll be respectful too. Fluttershy is just someone who can be like that, especially when she thinks she has to maintain a facade, instead of just trusting her own recently gained confidence.
Fluttershy is the element of kindness, so rudeness should not be so natural for her to pick up that easily. Discord, the Yaks, Gilda, the recent students etc were all pretty rude to her, but she always lets her kindess overcome the need for petty vengeance. When a person is rude to someone who DOES quickly reflect rudeness, it is back onto the person who was nasty to them. They don't suck up to that person, and then take their anger out on the people they love instead. The raccoons were very respectful and sweet, yet Fluttershy turned her hostility onto them, which was incredibly unkind. And she didn't even seem remorseful after she changed back, just a quick apology and expected them all to forgive her straight away. After losing Rarity who knows how many customers and damaging her reputation, she acted like it was no big deal at all. Not even accounting for this being her friends job and livelihood that she's just brutally damaged in the big gossiping town of Manehatten.
Fluttershy was also hired to do a job, and thought the personalities were necessary for that job, while also forgetting her kindness due to the expectations she thought she had to live up to. Really, I'm with MisAnthroPony on this one: Rarity REALLY needs to stop hiring her friends to do her job!
Forgetting to be kind is not something the element of kindness should do, especially when being nice to the customers was working at the beginning. She started with friendly, polite characters who got along well with customers, then changed and started upsetting them. And enjoyed doing so to the point where she kept on and on. If this is all it takes for Fluttershy to be nasty to others, and to animals who were helping her, then she can't be all that kind. I agree about Rarity, she needs to hire some more employees as cover.
I'm not big on fashion, let alone fashion-based episodes of MLP, but Fluttershy brought a unique taste to it. However, Surprises... there were none. In fact, there have been no surprises in MLP episodes for a while now... for me at least. It's a sad time indeed when no episodes gives you surprises. When the episode description alone gives you all the information you needs nd then watching how it unfolds is something you completely believe and seem bored by it's predictability. "Overcoming Shyness" is something many people face, and theatre provides an excellent outlet for it. To become someone else, to separate oneself from their own view and embrace something different all together. "Method Acting" is also something people use to express different parts of themselves and Fluttershy does it (too) well here. I still remember many different roles I played in theatre and pairing it with the Fashion theme that Rarity brings is definitely nice to see. Here's to more episodes bringing delight to us, predictability optional!!
Well DRWolf, I believe that doing multiple characters can help gain confidence inside but it could backfire and become a negative thing if not controlled, there are positive and negative things when doing another character in life to have confidence in life, but is it really necessary? I can see that it may be and it may not be necessary, blending in helps if it's going to be helpful for others but what if it doesn't? Seeing how this episode works, playing in character is different from building up something hidden inside and make it come out perfected, a flower doesn't always start from being beautiful, at first it is hidden inside it's leaves then at the right time, it blooms and creates attraction, and my point is, being true to self is the best choice to blend in and be accepted
Ninja Greg Show Not gonna be good i bet. Silverquil is one of the channels i watch and subscribe something tells me he won't LIKE IT AT ALL! If he even like it a bit i WOULD be surprised!
I think there's a much better way the scenario could have been used. Fluttershy uses the three costumes/personas successfully for a bit, but instead of committing too hard to them, she starts getting them bungled in the transition with the wrong props or accessories for particular outfits, but plays off whatever she's wearing so the actual characters start to get mixed up with each other too. As this gets more and more ridiculous, the raccoons panic and get help from the mane six- where they find Fluttershy wearing a mishmash of like six outfirts, three wigs, and a ridiculous hat. The things she says to customers are entirely incoherent, with different languages and animal sounds. Dress customers aren't coming in anymore- it's all tourists fawning over the strange p...pony? Is that a pony, or a small yak? Do you know? I can't tell but it's hilarious! Of course Rarity returns and screams. The sound breaks Fluttershy out of her own head, and they have their friend resolution, the tourists are kicked out, fluttershy takes off her jumble of a costume, and like a piece of carbon under pressure, she somehow has managed to make a really cool dress or something underneath that Rarity uses as inspiration for her centerpiece.
The lesson was literally told to us. We should all be able to summon inner strength without having to change ourselves to please or defend ourselves against others. Doing so is silly, because it becomes clear that we are capable of bringing out the inner strengths without having to exaggerate them by changing. It's possible to overcome an issue by changing your demeanor for the moment, but not for the long run. You end up being unlikable and fake. This is not exactly how Rarity put it, but it's basically what she means. And, I think it's a very interesting lesson. However, it definitely is just another way of just telling the same lesson we've been told in previous Fluttershy episodes. Just for a different context. And, for that, it's definitely an unnecessary episode in that regard. But, it was fun and difficult to predict, I will say. And, as I think about it more, I think this is a way of the writers trying to send a message to teenage girls. An issue that some can run into is feeling the need to shift themselves in order to fit into cliques.
I'm just going to say it now before someone else does and I lose my mind. IT'S NOT D.I.D.! If it was Flutttershy would have been changing personalities at random. This is much more like the Zimbardo prison experiment where It's shown that if you act your role, you become that role, and really quickly at that.
correct, Fluttershy was so into the characters she created she lost herself in the process. It is very realistic (and at times required) to have a different persona at work than home and this being Flutters first experience with it she just took it way to far.
This felt more like an episode to show off Andrea's skills as a VA than anything else to me. At least in terms of how I saw it. This episode was 6 different spices of 'wtf'. Not bad, just...CONFUSING.
This episode brings our multiple personality disorder count up to about 3-4 characters. Fluttershy Pinke Pie Discord And Rainbow Dash (sort of) Only 4 more characters left to go. :P
I'm not sure the way Fluttershy is going over her shyness is a good way. When she is sassy it's OK. But sometimes she is rude and mean af. She reminds me of myself, and this is not the good way to become confident... I did not progress at all in fact.
The fact is: Shy people often have an unexpectedly dark side, because they never could be open with their more unpolished feelings like anger or fear, and therefor, these come out with an unexpected heaviness that is overwhelming for people who used to see only the kindness. However, I've made the experience that - if you keep being open with your negative feelings - the anger and frustration become less and less, and you'll eventually be able to switch between your emotions much easier and gain a lot more control over that.
Somehow, this episode is like how I felt in the first seasons of MLP. It's kinda reminds me of these times. When you feel stuck in a same situations, and learn lessons.
For me, the lesson is one in recognizing when the negative aspects of those around you start to effect you yourself, in this case in a change of personality. Growing up, I regularly took on personality traits of people I hung around with. It wasn't conscious, it just sort of happened. I didn't realize it was happening until one day my father called me out on it by calling be someone else's name. Someone we all didn't like and had cut ties with. But I'd been around them long enough to take on a negative trait that was surfacing enough to irritate my family. Since then, I've not only been able to recognize the chameleon in myself, but in others as well. And that's essentially what happens to Flutters in this episode. She enhances her inner chameleon to try and make things work, but as the day goes on, the overwhelming deluge of negative attitude (this IS customer service after all) starts to get to her, and she starts to take those traits on instead without realizing it. She was so caught up in blending, that she forgot WHAT she was supposed to blend with. I think this is a great episode for people, regardless of age, who've had this sort of thing happen to them without realizing it. It could help them in the future. As far as why the others were there, I think they were trying to show that she'd been doing the costume switching for the better part of the day, and that's why the rest of the cast were able to come snap her out of it, but it was really poorly shown. Either way, I took their arrival more as they consider one friend on the verge of losing another friend's business an emergency level priority that they can put their work on hold for.
I thought that this was a "meh" episode. Given the way that Fluttershy just tossed words together when she first adopted the posh personality, it seems that this writer was completely unaware of the fact that Fluttershy is actually _well-versed_ in fashion, as established in Season 1. Thus we have a major oddity: we have a continuity nod and a continuity fail in the same episode. I'm not one to pay any attention to the credits--I leave that to the analysts--but was there a complete shift in personnel between Season 1 and today? I know that Faust left the staff, and Amy Keating Rogers' last episode was the one with Rara, but aren't there any series veterans left on the writing staff??
Mesu Yoru Indeed. But this episode is like a tail slap in the face for me. Not to bad though. A average soild 7. Josh is not the best he is good. And the fanfiction...i can't imagine.
What's worse death or immortality cause I just watched a fan made comic of a mlp future where only twilight and rarity are the only ones mane six who are alive
I have to admit good Doctor that I had similar feelings of enjoyment and confusion..... and a few instances of kind of personal terror and reminders of a part of my own history that hit a bit too close to home. Honestly though I was impressed by the overall premise and the designs..... even if some of her behavior had me very concerned for her mental well being. Though some things had me a bit confused, concerned, and shocked I'm relieved and happy they're finally doing things outside the norm that we can't really predict the overall outcome. It made it a truly unique experience for the season so far, and we're not even half-way through the season yet which has me very excited for the next episodes to come after this one. I actually put together my own synopsis and first thoughts analysis & review which is featured on my channels' facebook group page as well as our DA page. Admittedly I was late watching it because I kept missing the air date for various family related reasons. Anyways I'll provide the link here should you or anyone else feel like giving it a look see to compare notes: greatdragonseiryu.deviantart.com/art/First-Thoughts-on-MLPFIM-S8-Ep-4-740419346 Another excellent review and synopsis as always Doc and I cannot wait to see what you take away from the next episodes to come. Hope you and everyone and everypony else are having a fun time out on the convention circuit and staying safe. ~ Sincerely, the rainbow-eyed bug pony, Compound-Eyes (aka Moonshadow Mystery / Moonlight Shadow) the changeling
Tommi Koistinen True! Just like that pony in the profile picture of yours. But i like starlight don't worry. Oh by the way i feel akward but funny in this episode. It was supposed to be 5/10 for my review this time but since its josh writing this episode and the humor i add 2 points.7/10 may be too generous for a average episode but i can't bring myself to hate it.
Tommi Koistinen It's his and this channel's opinions. His comment is true. Don't u fuck off him if u please. I said avoid cursing remember? But if u wanna curse i won't stop u.
Tbh Fluttershy taking her roles too far baffled me,but now that you mentioned that one season 2 episode,I think I came to the conclusion that this is a personality trait of Fluttershy,taking a new behavior or act too far,and I think this episode was all the more fun to enjoy by analyzing it because I love when an episode gives me a brain twister!😄
They seem to have also forgotten that Fluttershy has an abnormal knowledge of sewing and garment making, which does throw the beginning trigger to the whole snowball right off the rails if you recall that. The level of detail she noticed in her dress in her rant to Rarity back season 1 was much more in depth than thread count in a shirt. I can't help but feel some one doesn't remember the characters they are supposed to be working with.
Yeah, and what did she think was better than the dress Rarity made in that very same episode again. Because it was way worse, obviously she didn't know as much as she thought she did.
Just because Fluttershy may know how to do a bit of sowing, or may have read or heard about certain styles, doesn't mean she understands fashion. That was the entire point of her character in Suited for Success; she thinks she knows more than Rarity does, but recall that *her* ideal dress was ultimately a mess. Plus being aware of the concept of thread count doesn't mean she knows the thread count of some random outfit she didn't even make. The point of that scene was Fluttershy learning how to sell the outfit by instead simply assuring the customer that Rarity's quality is always fantastic.
She knew the mechanics, though not style. What he asked was a detail as minutes as she easily identified previously, meaning she has a sharp enough eye for garment creation to tell if it was as he asked. It retconned her personal skills and abilities to make a scene work. Something I expect in a fanfic where an amateur writer is attempting to work with characters they have never worked with before, not a professional show writer that has worked with the characters. It could have very easily been adjusted to a question of public opinion of the garment or popularity, something that Fluttershy really has no reason to know. I'm not sure about the distorted logic of Fluttershy not knowing fashion and making bad adjustments to a dress in the episode that proved her eye for minute details and sewing ability means she would not have the eye for such minute details. She was able to exactly recreate Rarity's original designs by memory, so the same episode you attempt to disprove her skills and ability proves it over again. To further express her ability to identify attributes of clothing, her assessment for her rant was made not by looking at the dress, but by wearing it and seeing how it felt. A skill in the craft of garment making to that level would have easily left her able to feel the garment the stallion had been asking her about and at least have a ballpark for thread count. To just throw out her skills like that is bad writing and disrespectful to the original character background. The same scene could easily have been pushed along, as stated, by a different question that left her skills intact. This is just bad research and understanding of one's characters, or simply ignoring one's established character for the sake of just writing an idea in the laziest manner possible. I love the show, I love these characters, but I am not going to blindly ignore a glaring mistake like that when they have been so much better for so long.
_"She was able to exactly recreate Rarity's original designs by memory, so the same episode you attempt to disprove her skills and ability proves it over again."_ I don't see this being established anywhere in Suited for Success. She had the assistance of the other Mane 4, and they even outright stated that they followed Rarity's "brilliant design", implying they either found Rarity's design sketches, or were able to infer what was intended by the half-finished dresses design. Fluttershy _finished_ a dress, that had a clearly outlined, professional design, with assistance from four other people, but we never see her make a dress from scratch, that I can recall anyway. She rambles off a bunch of apparent observations at Rarity, but we never actually get confirmation in that moment that anything or everything she said was correct, only Rarity looking surprised, which could have been more shock at the normally quiet Fluttershy actually being able to spout off some sewing and fashion lingo, but it is _confirmed_ later that Fluttershy's ideal dress is actually poor design, so she really doesn't know as much as she thinks she does. Fluttershy isn't necessarily going to know the thread count of a random outfit that's being presented to her on the spot. Take this as confirmation that your assumptions about her knowledge are wrong, and that while she may know how to do a bit of sewing, she doesn't know as much as Rarity, especially about fashion.
You offered literally nothing to show she didn't know anything. They stated they were able to remake the dresses thanks to Fluttershy's freakish knowledge of sewing. She gave a critique of the construction of a garment by wearing it. Her ability to create a garment was proven, which is far more important to the question asked than fashion sense. As I stated, the question could have been focused more to something that pertains to fashion sense rather than physical attributes of the garment she has proven to be capable of noticing to minute detail. She may not have had an exact thread count,. but there is a difference in feel between low and high thread count items. Feeling the garment would have told some one with that much knowledge of sewing and garment creation if it was a high count or not. She also knows that Rarity only uses the finest quality materials. So I doubt a low thread count item would be on Rarity's shelves and Fluttershy would know that being a close friend of Rarity's with interest in garment creation. But, you've stepped out here and presented no evidence and told me to accept your opinion as fact that I'm wrong. And you keep trying to direct to an irrelevant trait that has nothing to do with the question posed that brings everything into conflict with the character's skills. The question was on physical attributes of the garment, not of fashion. Continuing to hammer about a lack of fashion sense is either purposely ignoring the nature of the question that caused the foul up, or simply not understanding what was asked.
Honestly its weird that this episode up when did I went to Con for Role playing groups, we pretend we're vampires or werewofls or mages or changelings (not the mlp kind)and most of us get really into rp and in some games there's lots backstabbing. we know it's all for fun, but when some people get to in to it and get really salty if they're characters lose power or die, we do have to remember that we're all friends at the end of the day that doesn't always come easy though, I know it's not the same thing but it just was on my mind while I was watching the episode.
Good review doc. Sure Silver Quill will make an observation about the lack of continuity with past episodes like Art of the Dress and the one where Flutters was a model for a time. Thought that would've carried through even with a teapot cosy haha. Having said that, the episode is a spectacle indeed and a great example of a VA's range as well as a bit more world building. The speed of the changes felt somehow smooth even though fast pace but that's fashion I guess. Overall a quirky story that stands alone like a Brony fanfic. Look forward to the next one and great to see the writers trying something new or making a past plot device work better second time around (e.g. Newbie Dash). Cheers /)
One line from pinkie pie made this episode for me she called them rodents in that moment it was like who are you and what have you done with fluttershy
EXTREME CODE SWITCHING TIME this episode gives me more fuel for me projecting a bit of my own identity as an autistic on to Fluttershy while my own experiences with code switching aren't as extreme there are some instances that are close in terms of the effects that the code switching can have.
This episode made me concerned that Fluttershy had developed Dissociative Identity Disorder, just because of how drastically her personality changed, and how committed she was to each role - even when she didn’t need to be.
Never mind Fluttershy fan art, I wanna see fan art of that adorable mare with the purple hair who was all smiling and squealing when she said “It must be MINE!” 😄
So? Why should that mean I can’t like her? And have you met this fandom? I garuntee you she’s already been given a name, I just don’t know what it is. And since she’s a recolor (and fans like to imagine that Cheerlie and Berry might be related) there’s a good chance that she’ll become their cousin from the big city. This fandom goes ape over insignificant background ponies all the time, let me have this one.
I'm in Australia, so I haven't seen this episode yet, but I do have something to say based on the clips I have seen. As a gamer who plays quite a few RPG video games, I do find myself getting into character and acting a little different to normal. Not as drastically as Fluttershy, but enough that those close to me occasionally notice. I kinda want to see her try O&O to see what Spike, Big Mac and Dischord see in it. I can just see her really getting into character and it bleeding into her day to day life and needing to learn how to "turn it down". It could work for Rainbowdash, but she doesn't strike me as the sort to get into character.
For me I think this episode explains fluttershy and her cutie mark deeply. I always thought that her cutie mark just meant that she could communicate with animals but since this episode I thought about it more and realized that the butterflies on her cutie mark could actually mean change or transformation. It makes sense as she changes each time she wears different clothes and it’s like she’s a whole different pony, just like when a caterpillar transforms into a butterfly. So again, this episode explains her cutie mark on a whole nother level for me.
I really enjoyed this episode, despite some pretty glaring flaws in its logic, right up until the end. The fact that Fluttershy just comes out of the personalities in a snap suggests she had total control of them and was just acting because that's what she thought was the right thing to do. This completely erases any justification for her being a jerk, especially to the Smokey family. If she had lost control of the personalities and let them dictate her actions unwillingly, that would be one thing, but no, she was entirely cognizant of everything she was doing. There is just no way that Fluttershy, in total control of her actions, would yell at the Smokeys and tell them to "go back to the forest".
Dear Dr Wolf, this is a fellow pegasister I need of some guidence. Like Dustykatt in that halloween video in 2014, how can I do a better job sticking up for what I like about mlp to my peers? I just want some advice on how you or how the others in the fandom might do it. PLEASE respond.
I personally think this episode was a warning about the dangers of role playing. Fluttershy got so into the characters she was portraying that she became those characters and she lost herself. if we had a internal brain shot for a lack of a better term, we may have seen Fluttershy along with those 3 other characters she was being fighting for control and it was only after Rarity terminated those characters that Fluttershy returned to normal because those characters no longer had a purpose to exist.
You’re on to something. This episode doesn’t make much sense from a ”teach a kid morals” pov. This idea is too complex and more of a really funny psychological study of Flutters, which actually is really smart.Yes she has social anxiety, but she’s also an introvert. Introverts sometimes deal with their social difficulties by putting on social masks, and can be really good at it. They can do this if they’ve achieved a base line of confidence that they’re no longer paralyzed by social situations It’s not that she’s acting out of fear. It’s that she starts and it goes so well. She’s having so much fun with it she even goes overboard with it, and it’s a liberating experience. For once, she feels not even a little anxiety or held down by what others may think of her. She should get into stage acting instead, where she could enjoy this without any risk of fallout.
I can totally relate to Fluttershy in this episode. Anytime someone has to come in completely green into an industry that has a lot of specialization and complexity, it is very stressful and it can be hard to cope. I work in retail nursery, at a hardware store, and that first customer of Fluttershy's had a question that had the same level of difficulty that I get on a regular basis (ex: What's the root system of this tomato plant like, and will it do well in a half wine barrel where there is a lot of wind?) We already know that Fluttershy is sensitive, even with all the growth she's had as a character, so I don't blame her at all for having some sort of break. It's almost expected with the ways customers come in and accost newbies for not being experts.
They could have made something like this with another character. Like a teen. When a person thinks they can only fit in if they act like that group. Per pressure.
Fluttershy scares me now. O_o She becomes so dedicated to what she is playing she will throw her kindness out the window just to stay in character and Fluttershy only came back after Rarity fired all the other Fluttershys. Not when her friends come back including Rarity but when Rarity fires all three Fluttershys. I know its played for laughs but I can't help but how bad it could have been.
My thoughts on the episode? *sighs* I'm sorry Dr. Wolf, I know this is a harsh word to use, but I hated this episode. I mean, yes, the episode had really funny moments, but this episode rubbed me the wrong way. I may be thinking too hard, but I can't let it go. This episode went out of its way to make me hate my number 1 favorite pony and it succeeded. The main six being busy one minute to having time in the next is one thing, but throughout the episode when it focused on Fluttershy it made me angry. The moment she lashed out at her furry friends was the straw that broke the camel's back. There's acting and then there's acting that goes as far as making others believe you're not you. Fluttershy should've stopped right then and there when she said those hurtful things. Pause for a second to let the raccoons know she didn't mean it, but no she didn't. She got too carried away and she didn't stop. This episode didn't make me happy (mostly), it annoyed and angered me to the point I wanted to just stop watching the episode. And the ending could've been different. I'm sorry Dr. Wolf, but this episode is a pass for me.
Preston Lockhart Josh its not a bad writer. Just this episode is hit and miss. 7 hits and 3 deadly strikes. But its not the worse episode. Not from my perspective though.
it's a huge missile strike for me. This episode made it seem like Fluttershy was a complete airhead and forgot what she was actually doing. And how the raccoons easily forgave her for what she did seemed rather quick. If they knew she was acting, they wouldn't have done what they did or Fluttershy should've paused right there when she was being hateful. And the apology she did, I didn't believe it at all. if Fluttershy were to do what she did, she'd be in tears from all the guilt eating her. This is not Fluttershy. Well, in my opinion, at least.
Preston Lockhart Well yah. But it seems as fluttershy has gotten a bit far and it is the beginning of season 8. So i guess the writers have no choice but push her character a bit. But it is unexcusable for some of the reasons u state. But again. It is not the worse in the SERIES. But i will admit it is the WORSE of season 8 so far. Maybe i am to generous with my grading. Is it wrong that i add 1 point for my opinion of SOME of the humor make me laugh making it a good average episode. Am i wrong and too kind with my grade?
Honestly i saw it was done by Josh Hamilton, very unique they are changing actors and writers. Whats more fun is how Fluttershy basically took a different approach of who she was and what she and i pracitcally laughed and was in awe when she did the "Out the front door joke" Which all ponies of the mane 6 should've seen coming from different point of versions of the shows that have used that experession loosely other than that great job:P
I had a hard time enjoying most of the middle of this episode. On the one hand, when I saw Fluttershy succeed with her first customer, I proclaimed out loud that I was very proud of her. But then when I saw her start to take things farther and farther, I was all but begging her to pull it back. When she got so overly critical of the customers, I just made myself sit and bear through it hoping that the climax would make up for it, and yes, Fluttershy getting fired three times in a row and then inadvertently spooking Rarity was a high point to set the ending up on. It was a hard sell for me, but this episode gets a pass. Bonus points for how they included Spike in this episode too.
Fluttershy has gotten carried away before. There was the Halloween episode where at first she didn't do well at scaring her friends and then really messed them up later. This episode followed that pattern: Fluttershy being unsure at first, some false steps, then going too far with it. Perhaps Fluttershy is something of a perfectionist and that drive to be perfect could be both holding her back and pushing her to excess when she does try.
Twilight and her friends might have been busy in the beginning but they were probably done what the things I need to do besides the always make time and the effort to help a friend could be more important than helping a friend you can always put something aside when it comes to that no matter if it's traveling through land to land.
I enjoyed the episode, Dr. Wolf, and Fluttershy really needed a reality check regarding her getting caught up in her salesperson roles, and once Rarity told all three they were fired, it brought Fluttershy back to her senses, apologizing for getting too caught up in the moment. Kudos to Fluttershy with realizing her errors and owning up to them.
The biggest issue I have with this episode is the ending with the moral: exactly how is InnerWarrior!Fluttershy different from the bullying she did as Snootishy, Hipstershy, and Emoshy?
I thought it was a pretty great episode. It made a lot of sense to me, and I didn't find the personality turns that jarring to be honest. When one starts wearing different masks/hats/playing different roles for different people one comes across, it's easy to lose sight of who you really are, and simply become the role. Maybe I'm mis-remembering a bit, and even with that reading too much into it, but fluttershy didn't show up anymore after the third role had been made. Granted this could easily be simply time constraints and whatnot, but I thought it maybe a subtle nod that fluttershy had more or less ceased to be while the three roles were being put into rotation. and not until after did fluttershy show up after her roles had been terminated. That fluttershy could not regain control so long as a role had a purpose to play (the shopkeeping job). That even though she knew what she was doing wrong, she had become a passenger in her own vehicle while the three roles took turns at the wheel. But then again, might be none of that. It is just a cartoon.
What I've come to notice is two things (one of which being a newly developed fan theory of mine, which I do hope you'll be willign to read the entire thing). The first thing I've noticed is that whenever Fluttershy steps out of her comfort zone personality-wise, she tends to lose herself. It was first shone in Putting Your Hoof Down, and now here. She gets so caught up in a personality that it can tend to assert itself over Fluttershy without her actually realizing it. Secondly, I have a theory as to why Fluttershy becomes so aggressive when she tries to become assertive. I think that Fluttershy is frustrated that her shyness can cause her to become, for lack of a better term, a doormat. She herself is perhaps unaware of this herself, making it subconscious. But this idea can lead back to season 1 in The Best Night Ever. She wants to befriend the animals in the Canterlot garden. But when they ignore her, she starts pushing herself to be more assertive about it. Eventually, that leads to her losing it in that iconic scene. Then comes Putting Your Hoof Down. I don't think she became a bully because of Iron Will's teachings (not entirely anyway), because I think she would be able to recognize bullying. She becomes a bully in part because of her subconscious frustration. Then comes Bats. Sure, her personality was overwritten. But what she became was something scary. This could be disregarded if it weren't for the fact that in Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep, she once again became Flutterbat (granted, that was fan pandering, but still...). And once again in Scare Master, she uses the Flutterbat costume to scare her friends. And even if her intent was to scare them for fun (and the fact that it was Angel Bunny's idea), she became something that the rest of them didn't recognize. Later comes Fame and Misfortune. Fluttershy is being hounded by several ponies about not becoming assertive. When she finally does assert herself to show that she has, she become angry, which carries on for a little while, even after they've escaped the crowds. Although, I gotta love that face she gave Rarity. And then we come to Fake It 'Til You Make It. When she donned these new personas, it became method acting (which I have experience in how that can help if you have issues with asserting yourself). She became different characters. It probably wasn't helping that she was trying to keep track of 3 different personas, none of which was her own. But the more assertive nature of those personas lead to her frustration leaking out into those personas. Her own subconscious frustration of her own non-assertiveness is essentially creating a form of multiple personality disorder. There's even a fan animation that, though isn't canon, could potentially back up my theory. In ForgaLorga's video 'Secrets of the Mane 6' (found here ua-cam.com/video/Yn_srm53wVI/v-deo.html ), Fluttershy has a form of stress relief in the form of going to a shed and causing destruction. Perhaps I'm just projecting a little bit of myself onto Fluttershy, since I already see a fair amount of myself in Fluttershy already.
This was the first episode in a _loooong_ time where I didn't have to pause and cringe a couple times. Acknowledging Dash and Rarity's achievements, showing Rarity is still working with Sassy and her Manehatten clerks, the raccoons! The glorious continuity! Additionally, the costumes and speech styles Fluttershy put on were absolutely adorable! ^w^ AND she got to hand the Manehattenites a taste of their own medicine! >=3 I rank this LEAGUES above that _abysmal_ season premiere, and I really hope things keep looking up from here! FiM is, at its best, an adorable Slice-of-Life show with moments of high action fantasy. As long as those high action fantasy moments are at least three-quarters thought out and don't disregard major details. (cough cough Movie cough cough S8 premiere cough cough)
I do agree. The transition from Fluttershy's characters being "Just right" for each customer to just flat out insulting the customers just came out of nowhere. It didn't make sense since the whole reason that she adopted those identities in the first place was so that she could help the customers properly. Heck, when the Mane7 showed up, Hipstershy said that seeing the customers leave brought her joy. Her switching to insulting the customers is completely out of character in this case, in my opinion.
hi to you DRWolf. theres one thing that i actually have not seen from any review on this episode, is two little details that could actually explain many things to be honest: the first one is about Fluttershy being rash three times with three different personnalities at Rarity, theres a little videographic detail over here, that may look ridiculous but also pull mlp in a very intellectual way: the three personnalities goes from Right to left of the screen (it also breaks the 4th wall twice here) but when fluttershy comes to apologies , she comes from Left to right (for a big example of what im talking about: see The Propaganda Publicity) the view of her personnalities are shown by direct hit of what fluttershy said to rarity, but also by the specific visual aesthetics and im sure this wasn't a coincidence , because they even added the idea of breaking the 4th wall twice by going twice from an impossible place of the screen to the same spot , at the opposite of the screen. the second interesting thing about all of this is fluttershy herself: one thing that people forget.. is that she disguise herself to be on mood of people.. but why is she refering herself to? that is really simple: she's refering to rich Customers Coming for the "high fashion (also expensive) costums they wish to find here" .. mostly to say : people that doesnt let a chance to the seller. and why is Fluttershy is swapping from good seller to a rash pony : because the next customers that comes became More and More rash! thats a certain thing i love on this episode..theres a moral here : "customers are always kings. but this doesnt mean they can allows themselves to be that rash when they simply could ask! and money doesnt change this !" hope youll have fun reading this comment.. "if you do"
Honesty, the way I viewed it was that it was a funny episode that provided a side of Fluttershy she didn't really think she had in her, a side that allowed her to express herself as a confident pony without going completely out of her comfort zone. She could do this because she was pretending to be somepony she wasn't. Idk maybe that's not what others got out of it but that's what I got from it.
i really enjoy this episode, and i rarely enjoy fluttershy episodes, so that a good sign for me about this season, 4 episodes in and i already like 2 of them, this and The Maud Couple
I actually really like this one. The out of character moments didn't sit well with me, but the humour is spot on and ultimately, my enjoyment of this one wins out. Oh, and there is a moment where Fluttershy's shift in behaviour is explained, but if you blink you'll miss it. For a while she was finding that the more snooty she acted, the more sales she made and the more happy customers she had. So, she just kept taking it up a notch until she took it too far. She also assumed the raccoons knew she was just acting.
I think this episode is pretty interesting to see Fluttershy to switch personalities just like Sour Sweet. She reminds of Sour Sweet when she switch personalities to be mean to every pony in the shop.
I'm tempted to agree with Mr Enter when he says that Fluttershy might have some kind of personality disorder. And he was only going on examples from the first three seasons, The gala freakout, The cockatrice incident, and putting your hoof down as a whole for example. I like when we get to see Andrea Libman demonstrate that she's probably the most varied voice actor on the show. (Sorry Tara, but they really don't let you spread your wings.)
I loved this episode it was so funny and because Fluttershy is my favorite pony i really felt like she had grown up as a charterer and i just love that! over all this was a really good episode 8 out of 10.
I really liked this one. Seeing pretend to be Snooty, Gothic and a hipster was hilarious. Though she did take a little too far. It's like there were three Fluttershy's in the room. Still, I love it.
I've heard Joshua's name mentioned a few times in this fandom, and every time I have, I've been thinking isn't he one of the Avatar staff? I just looked him up and, sure enough, he did a ton of writing for Avatar: The Last Airbender and The Legend of Korra. I also see he did a lot of work for Voltron. All three of those shows are ones with long plot/character arcs. The several other shows he's written a handful of episodes for are mostly episodic (I say mostly, because I haven't seen them, but I'm pretty sure they're episodic). Looking at the episodes he's written for this show, the first two were pretty important ones: introducing Rainbow Dash's parents, and having Thorax and Ember meet. Then, the next two (Secrets and Pies, and this one), are ones that are over the top. So, maybe because he's written a lot of serious stuff (with plenty of humor thrown in), he decided he wanted to go all out and make things as crazy as he could while trying to stay true to the characters of MLP? I don't know.
Also, I'm kind of torn on how I feel about this episode, but I did enjoy it. I do wish there had been some kind of push for Fluttershy to take her new characters to a harsher level (maybe her persona not working for a certain pony until she became a little harsher), but... I have occasionally pretended to be characters of mine (I'm a fiction writer) at my retail job. This was done mostly to relieve boredom, and so it's stayed in my head, rather than me changing how I interact with customers. However, if I was doing it for the sake of overcoming my shyness, I could see myself focusing more and more on how my more confident character(s) would act, rather than on what's best for helping the customer. Not that I would ever let it get as far as Fluttershy did, but I can see how it would get out of hand. The part where I take issue is when she yells at her animal friends. The moment she started to yell at them is the moment she should have stopped in horror and realized what she was doing, as that was against her very nature. Not that it wasn't great to see Rarity come back and fire her a bunch of times. So, I enjoyed how over-the-top this episode was, and it was great seeing Fluttershy trying to overcome her shyness to help a friend out, but that one scene with her yelling at the raccoons should have snapped her to her senses. Still, it's one I can see myself watching again.
i have multiple personality disorder (now called Dissociative Identity Disorder or DID). Can attest that's legit what i thought they were going for, albeit in a crude way but nonetheless...
Grace Louise Phillips Yeah, MLP tends to exaggerate stuff. At first I thought that way as a joke but now I'm almost convinced that's the case even if its just an exaggeration.
David Lucas yeah it honestly really surprised me how much they went into the psychology of the fact she really wasn’t playing she was becoming these characters like omfg I really wasn’t expecting that and tbh I didn’t like the ep but I did think “well ok Fluttershy’s got DID, that explains A LOT”
Well... Moral? Eh... a bit character build for Fluttershy: She's a great actor. She just lost herself for a moment. Also... well, Fluttershy found she didn't know enough about fashion. The others would have known even LESS. Maybe it wasn't about assertiveness. Maybe it was about knowing what you're doing.
This episode is like Pinkie Pie. Don’t question it and you’ll be fine.
I think the lesson is that if you try to change yourself to fit an expectation, you risk losing your self to that role (or in this case roles) to the point where you might forget who you where in the first place. She had her personality match the various saddle row customer types, but unfortunately most of the costumers here are kind of jerks because of the kind of ponies they are. That plus an existing well of suppressed emotions and that sudden confidence that certain people can get doing this kind of thing made for this sudden transition.
That would hold up if this had a better ending. The way Fluttershy just quickly snaps back to her normal self without a problem like "haha I know I upset you but I was pretending and totally aware of it the whole time!" Is really rushed. She started off in the shop being super nice, complimenting customers and helping them - and it worked great and she was doing so well! So why she then thought she needed to change and be the total opposite, insulting them and being mean, doesn't make sense. Did she just get bored and feel like switching to a nasty version of the characters? And being cruel to the raccoons, seeing them upset, and not breaking character (for ANIMALS) is so horrid.
You saw mis antrhopony's review did'nt you, well sorry but nothing was rushed. Fluttershy simply got sucked into the roles and got carried away, her snapping back makes sense because she couldn't go to another role after the third one.So she realized what she did as soon as she was normal.
The lesson is the method actors are craaaaaazy.
I'm not even subscribed to anyone called "Mis antrhopony" Dr Wolf is pretty much the only MLP reviewer I watch, and even then it's only if I have particular feelings about an episode. Which I did for this one - hated it. Whilst modern Fluttershy is known for having a very assertive nature and a bad temper, she is still kind and has never been a pony who takes others rudeness and anger, and turns it back onto them like this. Even during the times when she is angry or rude, an animal or pony being upset or distressed is usually what snaps her back to reality, but in this case, it didn't, she didn't care one bit.
She started off being really kind to customers, and it was working out great! Then for no reason she suddenly turned mean, decided she enjoyed it, and continued to hurt and upset others to the point where all the customers turned away. After ruining Rarity's business and livelihood didn't "snap her back" she was cruel to the animals, who had been nothing but kind to her. The only time she "snapped back" to herself was after Rarity told her "characters" off, which was a very selfish reason, because she didn't want her friends to be angry with her.
This painted Fluttershy - even the modern short tempered, bossy Fluttershy, in a very bad light. Made her cruel, selfish, and ignorant to the feelings of others.
Like in Discordant Harmony?
(If I am remembering it corrently)
The tea party episode
It wasn't so jarring for me that Fluttershy flipped to being cruel and unkind. Has everyone suddenly forgotten the Iron Will episode where she turned into "New Fluttershy" and made her friends _cry?_ Think about that for a minute. This isn't the first time Fluttershy has become nasty. Also, don't forget Rarity and Fluttershy's conversation about how much "inner strength" our favorite pink-haired pegasus has. That may or may not have flown over someone's head for being 'obvious' -- it did for me until I thought about it -- but there's a point to this.
The point is that *Fluttershy craves channels for her energy.*
Normally, she releases her energy by helping and caring for animals and being kind to her friends. That's a channel that she can use while remaining "herself". Now, in this episode, she couldn't easily fit into the job of running the boutique because it wasn't the right channel for her. So she needed to create a new persona, a new "her", to fit that channel. Then she created more personas, and refined them immensely, until it was hard to even see Fluttershy for the costume she was wearing at any given time. Fluttershy's real challenge here isn't "coming out of her comfort zone" so much as "trying very hard to fit in".
I love how the Goth pony has a snowflake as a cutie mark. He simply must be given the name Special Snowflake.
Yea
I like to think that a part of Fluttershy's actions throughout this entire episode are at least a bit related to her repeated exposure to Discord. Hehe. ^^ Just some of his kookiness rubbing off some, hence the mutli-firing at the end instead of her breaking out of the characters all together the first time. ^^
Rarity’s reactions every time she fired each of Fluttershy’s personas were priceless!
I. Was. Laughing. Out. Loud. That scene was HYSTERICAL! Andrea Libman and Tabitha St. Germain sold that dose of hilarity so well!
I honestly think the entire episode was an excuse just to have that scene.
The lesson that I took from this episode was that you don't have to change who you are to adapt to the people around you. You have everything you need to be confident arou d others, and you can utilize it without changing or hiding who you are.
fluttershy is like all naturally shy and kind people....full of tremendous potential and skill that can meet or surpass anyone...but losing ourselves in the process. it is a sad cruel twist of fate and it takes years to master. But! It can become the hidden ace in the hole for almost any situation.
What seems weird is that Miss Pommel wasn't in here. Despite the fact that SHE was supposed to run the shop back in The Saddle Row Review.
James Richardson III I’ve heard some people say she was written out of the show offscreen because of the Shennel Family Estate taking issue with the character
Arin Lewis The writing staff bypassed that problem by taking Coco out of her name and calling her Miss Pommel. But to me she'll always be Coco Pommel
It was mentioned in Honest Apple that she'd started doing shows herself and I think it was her that was responsible for the disco ball dress, so she's probably too busy to help Rarity out. Would have been nice to have a quick cameo though, even just a silent one in the background at the fashion show.
Rarity did have three shop assistants she hired in The saddle row review(Okay,Rainbow for the more nitpicky crowd) and they went with her in Canterlot.Miss Pommel probably was busy as well.
Briddleway.
In a way, Fluttershy's change of character (or characters in this case) reminds me of when the late Peter Sellers guest starred on The Muppet Show; a gypsy violinist, a German misuse, and a frontier preacher. Yet he could never be himself.
William Crowe "There used to be a me, but I had it surgically removed."
The running gag Peter Sellers would tell in all his interviews was: "You see... I had the real me surgically removed." :) And I think, the more we see multiple Fluttershies... the more I fear she'll be considering checking in to a pony clinic, for "multiple personality disorder" therapy. (I nominate Dr. Wolf as top therapist for such a challenging case!) Hmm... new/old word: Flubbershy.
MLP needs a Peter Sellers Pony STAT
Fluttersnob, Flutterhipster, and Fluttergoth.😀😁😂
I never get tired of watching Rarity react to each Fluttershy as she fired them. It makes me laugh every time.
Andrea Libman needed to be Fluttershy being three other personalities, while being as randomly funny as Pinkie Pie, but still be Fluttershy.
Personal theory: Fluttershy has been spending so much time with Discord (and in his dimension) that she’s unwittingly been infused with some of his chaos magic. It would definitely explain some of the weirdness of this episode (multiple personalities, super-fast garb changes, seeming ability to be in multiple places at once, and so on...)
shes been around discord to much
and Pinkie
Revkor And Rarity too a bit. What am i saying? Lol!😂
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I may be focusing too much on just one piint, but I feel like "A friend having an Identity Crisis" would rank higher on the prority list of "Watching over a friends shop"
You'd most definitly make time for the former
Now that that is over time to lighen the mood
Doc, you underestimate the fandom, a few day? They'll probably have tons of content by the end of the day the episode aired!
I still say this episode is badly timed when just one story between this and adding a changeling that has problems with being herself to the main cast came out. Having Ocellis do all this would make more sense and still allow the actor to swap roles and why it’s so fast.
masteroflag Understandable. 7/10 for me. Average episode. U?
masteroflag Ocellis being the main character for this episode would indeed be a great idea! That would make it so much less confusing.
TianPing Ong wait if it’s average why did you give it a 7? Are there 6 levels of under par? Personally I’d give it a 4/10. Libman’s acting sells her moment, but the fact they ignored Fluttershy is the one who would know stuff like thread count unlike the other mane 6, the confusing lesson she really didn’t have to learn and didn’t advance her assertions but made them backwards since she’s been able to talk to others normally unless they are mean these days etc, that makes it slightly less than an average episode for me. Nothing so bad I’d consider it harmful or boring but too many cons to recommend it for it’s one pro.
masteroflag i would give it a 11/20(im not gringo)......passing grade....barely just for split shy
I agree! Using Ocellus would solve several story problems: It would make the quick changes more believable, since she can change completely with just a zap; it would serve to keep the Young 6 present in the story; and the "losing herself" premise wouldn't do violence to characterization, since Ocellus hasn't learned what Fluttershy has.
I also liked how Fluttershy was fired three times in a row. That made me giggle.
Frankly, I liked this episode, it reminds me a lot of me when I was a kid. Back when I had trouble fitting into certain circles, I tried taking on a bit of a new persona to try and make myself feel comfortable, otherwise I felt a little like I stood out, and not in a good way. THAT is the lesson they're trying to teach; you don't need to be someone else to have the confidence to fit in with the group.
Also, I didn't really have a problem with everyone forgiving her. Considering Rarity had to fire her 3 times before she came back, I wouldn't say Fluttershy was 100% there, if you see what I mean XP Besides, I liked that resolution better to the one I was expecting (in most cartoons the friends record a sample of the main character acting this way and show them how they're really being. Boring and overdone, this way was a nice twist ^^)
I never thought of that, but yeah that's a very good point.
I loved this episode a ton. It was so funny and the reason why is because it was not scared to throw some metaphorical punches. It did piss off some ppl but i see that as a strength. If you try to please everyone you will please no one. By taking some risk and doing this the episode was amazingly funny at the low low cost of some butthurt ppl who don't understand the jokes of the episode.
This is a weird episode, and I love it.
That firing Fluttershy scene was hysterical!
Why is every Fluttershy episode now either about emphasizing how she's not shy any more, or her being downright mean only to regress back to being nice at the end? We get it, she has confidence now. That does not explain how she is so easily able to upset, insult, and hurt others without realising how it affects them. Even to animals?!! She struggled to be stern with the Breezies even when it was for their own good, but now she can just be cruel to everyone without thinking twice? Being nasty was not helping the business. She started off being nice and that was working out great! So what on earth made her think "I have to start treating everyone like dirt now" I'll never understand? Why would the element of kindness, or ANYONE ELSE think "being nice is working, but I'm bored of it so let's be nasty for no reason."
She got lost in the roles and picked up the rudeness the customers were radiating.
Some people are mirrors like that, where if you approach them angry and hostile, they'll be hostile right back. However, if you approach them respectfully, they'll be respectful too.
Fluttershy is just someone who can be like that, especially when she thinks she has to maintain a facade, instead of just trusting her own recently gained confidence.
Fluttershy is the element of kindness, so rudeness should not be so natural for her to pick up that easily. Discord, the Yaks, Gilda, the recent students etc were all pretty rude to her, but she always lets her kindess overcome the need for petty vengeance. When a person is rude to someone who DOES quickly reflect rudeness, it is back onto the person who was nasty to them. They don't suck up to that person, and then take their anger out on the people they love instead. The raccoons were very respectful and sweet, yet Fluttershy turned her hostility onto them, which was incredibly unkind. And she didn't even seem remorseful after she changed back, just a quick apology and expected them all to forgive her straight away. After losing Rarity who knows how many customers and damaging her reputation, she acted like it was no big deal at all. Not even accounting for this being her friends job and livelihood that she's just brutally damaged in the big gossiping town of Manehatten.
Fluttershy was also hired to do a job, and thought the personalities were necessary for that job, while also forgetting her kindness due to the expectations she thought she had to live up to.
Really, I'm with MisAnthroPony on this one:
Rarity REALLY needs to stop hiring her friends to do her job!
Forgetting to be kind is not something the element of kindness should do, especially when being nice to the customers was working at the beginning. She started with friendly, polite characters who got along well with customers, then changed and started upsetting them. And enjoyed doing so to the point where she kept on and on. If this is all it takes for Fluttershy to be nasty to others, and to animals who were helping her, then she can't be all that kind. I agree about Rarity, she needs to hire some more employees as cover.
It shows that that her caracter has evolved
I'm not big on fashion, let alone fashion-based episodes of MLP, but Fluttershy brought a unique taste to it.
However, Surprises... there were none. In fact, there have been no surprises in MLP episodes for a while now... for me at least. It's a sad time indeed when no episodes gives you surprises. When the episode description alone gives you all the information you needs nd then watching how it unfolds is something you completely believe and seem bored by it's predictability.
"Overcoming Shyness" is something many people face, and theatre provides an excellent outlet for it. To become someone else, to separate oneself from their own view and embrace something different all together.
"Method Acting" is also something people use to express different parts of themselves and Fluttershy does it (too) well here. I still remember many different roles I played in theatre and pairing it with the Fashion theme that Rarity brings is definitely nice to see.
Here's to more episodes bringing delight to us, predictability optional!!
Well DRWolf, I believe that doing multiple characters can help gain confidence inside but it could backfire and become a negative thing if not controlled, there are positive and negative things when doing another character in life to have confidence in life, but is it really necessary? I can see that it may be and it may not be necessary, blending in helps if it's going to be helpful for others but what if it doesn't? Seeing how this episode works, playing in character is different from building up something hidden inside and make it come out perfected, a flower doesn't always start from being beautiful, at first it is hidden inside it's leaves then at the right time, it blooms and creates attraction, and my point is, being true to self is the best choice to blend in and be accepted
I wonder what silverquill will have to say, considering fluttershy is his favorite
Ninja Greg Show Not gonna be good i bet. Silverquil is one of the channels i watch and subscribe something tells me he won't LIKE IT AT ALL! If he even like it a bit i WOULD be surprised!
I think there's a much better way the scenario could have been used. Fluttershy uses the three costumes/personas successfully for a bit, but instead of committing too hard to them, she starts getting them bungled in the transition with the wrong props or accessories for particular outfits, but plays off whatever she's wearing so the actual characters start to get mixed up with each other too. As this gets more and more ridiculous, the raccoons panic and get help from the mane six- where they find Fluttershy wearing a mishmash of like six outfirts, three wigs, and a ridiculous hat. The things she says to customers are entirely incoherent, with different languages and animal sounds. Dress customers aren't coming in anymore- it's all tourists fawning over the strange p...pony? Is that a pony, or a small yak? Do you know? I can't tell but it's hilarious! Of course Rarity returns and screams. The sound breaks Fluttershy out of her own head, and they have their friend resolution, the tourists are kicked out, fluttershy takes off her jumble of a costume, and like a piece of carbon under pressure, she somehow has managed to make a really cool dress or something underneath that Rarity uses as inspiration for her centerpiece.
or she can't be normal Fluttershy because she switchted between the three so much
The lesson was literally told to us. We should all be able to summon inner strength without having to change ourselves to please or defend ourselves against others. Doing so is silly, because it becomes clear that we are capable of bringing out the inner strengths without having to exaggerate them by changing. It's possible to overcome an issue by changing your demeanor for the moment, but not for the long run. You end up being unlikable and fake. This is not exactly how Rarity put it, but it's basically what she means. And, I think it's a very interesting lesson. However, it definitely is just another way of just telling the same lesson we've been told in previous Fluttershy episodes. Just for a different context. And, for that, it's definitely an unnecessary episode in that regard. But, it was fun and difficult to predict, I will say. And, as I think about it more, I think this is a way of the writers trying to send a message to teenage girls. An issue that some can run into is feeling the need to shift themselves in order to fit into cliques.
I'm just going to say it now before someone else does and I lose my mind. IT'S NOT D.I.D.! If it was Flutttershy would have been changing personalities at random.
This is much more like the Zimbardo prison experiment where It's shown that if you act your role, you become that role, and really quickly at that.
I believe TV Tropes refers to this as "Becoming the Mask".
correct, Fluttershy was so into the characters she created she lost herself in the process. It is very realistic (and at times required) to have a different persona at work than home and this being Flutters first experience with it she just took it way to far.
This felt more like an episode to show off Andrea's skills as a VA than anything else to me. At least in terms of how I saw it. This episode was 6 different spices of 'wtf'. Not bad, just...CONFUSING.
Dejay Page But funny. Barely passed josh! Phew!!!
TianPing Ong Yeah it was funny at times. :)
This episode brings our multiple personality disorder count up to about 3-4 characters.
Fluttershy
Pinke Pie
Discord
And Rainbow Dash (sort of)
Only 4 more characters left to go. :P
I'm not sure the way Fluttershy is going over her shyness is a good way.
When she is sassy it's OK. But sometimes she is rude and mean af.
She reminds me of myself, and this is not the good way to become confident... I did not progress at all in fact.
Discord ruined her psyche
The fact is: Shy people often have an unexpectedly dark side, because they never could be open with their more unpolished feelings like anger or fear, and therefor, these come out with an unexpected heaviness that is overwhelming for people who used to see only the kindness.
However, I've made the experience that - if you keep being open with your negative feelings - the anger and frustration become less and less, and you'll eventually be able to switch between your emotions much easier and gain a lot more control over that.
Somehow, this episode is like how I felt in the first seasons of MLP.
It's kinda reminds me of these times. When you feel stuck in a same situations, and learn lessons.
For me, the lesson is one in recognizing when the negative aspects of those around you start to effect you yourself, in this case in a change of personality.
Growing up, I regularly took on personality traits of people I hung around with. It wasn't conscious, it just sort of happened. I didn't realize it was happening until one day my father called me out on it by calling be someone else's name. Someone we all didn't like and had cut ties with. But I'd been around them long enough to take on a negative trait that was surfacing enough to irritate my family.
Since then, I've not only been able to recognize the chameleon in myself, but in others as well. And that's essentially what happens to Flutters in this episode. She enhances her inner chameleon to try and make things work, but as the day goes on, the overwhelming deluge of negative attitude (this IS customer service after all) starts to get to her, and she starts to take those traits on instead without realizing it. She was so caught up in blending, that she forgot WHAT she was supposed to blend with. I think this is a great episode for people, regardless of age, who've had this sort of thing happen to them without realizing it. It could help them in the future.
As far as why the others were there, I think they were trying to show that she'd been doing the costume switching for the better part of the day, and that's why the rest of the cast were able to come snap her out of it, but it was really poorly shown. Either way, I took their arrival more as they consider one friend on the verge of losing another friend's business an emergency level priority that they can put their work on hold for.
I liked the "I can't even" and "Well, I'll never" joke. Very insightful.
I thought that this was a "meh" episode. Given the way that Fluttershy just tossed words together when she first adopted the posh personality, it seems that this writer was completely unaware of the fact that Fluttershy is actually _well-versed_ in fashion, as established in Season 1.
Thus we have a major oddity: we have a continuity nod and a continuity fail in the same episode.
I'm not one to pay any attention to the credits--I leave that to the analysts--but was there a complete shift in personnel between Season 1 and today? I know that Faust left the staff, and Amy Keating Rogers' last episode was the one with Rara, but aren't there any series veterans left on the writing staff??
Guess the trains in Equstria run 5 minutes ahead of schedule.
Let's be honest, this episode was made especialy for the art side of brony fandom - so much new material for FANARTS!!! :D
Eh, being an artist myself, if I dislike an episode, it's unlikely to inspire me to create fanart around it.
Mesu Yoru Indeed. But this episode is like a tail slap in the face for me. Not to bad though. A average soild 7. Josh is not the best he is good. And the fanfiction...i can't imagine.
Did anyone else notice that one goth pony looked just like Edward Scissor Hands
I think Fluttershy has Multiple Personality Disorder in Fake it till you Make it.
What's worse death or immortality cause I just watched a fan made comic of a mlp future where only twilight and rarity are the only ones mane six who are alive
I have to admit good Doctor that I had similar feelings of enjoyment and confusion..... and a few instances of kind of personal terror and reminders of a part of my own history that hit a bit too close to home. Honestly though I was impressed by the overall premise and the designs..... even if some of her behavior had me very concerned for her mental well being. Though some things had me a bit confused, concerned, and shocked I'm relieved and happy they're finally doing things outside the norm that we can't really predict the overall outcome. It made it a truly unique experience for the season so far, and we're not even half-way through the season yet which has me very excited for the next episodes to come after this one.
I actually put together my own synopsis and first thoughts analysis & review which is featured on my channels' facebook group page as well as our DA page. Admittedly I was late watching it because I kept missing the air date for various family related reasons. Anyways I'll provide the link here should you or anyone else feel like giving it a look see to compare notes:
greatdragonseiryu.deviantart.com/art/First-Thoughts-on-MLPFIM-S8-Ep-4-740419346
Another excellent review and synopsis as always Doc and I cannot wait to see what you take away from the next episodes to come. Hope you and everyone and everypony else are having a fun time out on the convention circuit and staying safe.
~ Sincerely, the rainbow-eyed bug pony,
Compound-Eyes (aka Moonshadow Mystery / Moonlight Shadow) the changeling
This episode should have been called, "MLP: Fluttershy has a psychotic break."
I loved the episode. People who overthink stuff will most likely dislike it.
Tommi Koistinen True! Just like that pony in the profile picture of yours. But i like starlight don't worry. Oh by the way i feel akward but funny in this episode. It was supposed to be 5/10 for my review this time but since its josh writing this episode and the humor i add 2 points.7/10 may be too generous for a average episode but i can't bring myself to hate it.
Tommi Koistinen fuck off you're known to like anything to piss people off no matter how bad it is
it was trash. cringy as fuck.
jaqwon14 You opinion is like scream in a void, empty and ultimately meaningless...
Tommi Koistinen It's his and this channel's opinions. His comment is true. Don't u fuck off him if u please. I said avoid cursing remember? But if u wanna curse i won't stop u.
Tbh Fluttershy taking her roles too far baffled me,but now that you mentioned that one season 2 episode,I think I came to the conclusion that this is a personality trait of Fluttershy,taking a new behavior or act too far,and I think this episode was all the more fun to enjoy by analyzing it because I love when an episode gives me a brain twister!😄
I feel like I just watched Fluttershy have three separate identity crises...(es?) all at once.
"Buy our Fluttershy toys!"
it was a good Ep i like it.
Actually the last time I think Fluttershy and Rarity had an episode was Filli Vanilli
They seem to have also forgotten that Fluttershy has an abnormal knowledge of sewing and garment making, which does throw the beginning trigger to the whole snowball right off the rails if you recall that. The level of detail she noticed in her dress in her rant to Rarity back season 1 was much more in depth than thread count in a shirt. I can't help but feel some one doesn't remember the characters they are supposed to be working with.
Yeah, and what did she think was better than the dress Rarity made in that very same episode again. Because it was way worse, obviously she didn't know as much as she thought she did.
Just because Fluttershy may know how to do a bit of sowing, or may have read or heard about certain styles, doesn't mean she understands fashion. That was the entire point of her character in Suited for Success; she thinks she knows more than Rarity does, but recall that *her* ideal dress was ultimately a mess.
Plus being aware of the concept of thread count doesn't mean she knows the thread count of some random outfit she didn't even make. The point of that scene was Fluttershy learning how to sell the outfit by instead simply assuring the customer that Rarity's quality is always fantastic.
She knew the mechanics, though not style. What he asked was a detail as minutes as she easily identified previously, meaning she has a sharp enough eye for garment creation to tell if it was as he asked. It retconned her personal skills and abilities to make a scene work. Something I expect in a fanfic where an amateur writer is attempting to work with characters they have never worked with before, not a professional show writer that has worked with the characters. It could have very easily been adjusted to a question of public opinion of the garment or popularity, something that Fluttershy really has no reason to know.
I'm not sure about the distorted logic of Fluttershy not knowing fashion and making bad adjustments to a dress in the episode that proved her eye for minute details and sewing ability means she would not have the eye for such minute details. She was able to exactly recreate Rarity's original designs by memory, so the same episode you attempt to disprove her skills and ability proves it over again. To further express her ability to identify attributes of clothing, her assessment for her rant was made not by looking at the dress, but by wearing it and seeing how it felt. A skill in the craft of garment making to that level would have easily left her able to feel the garment the stallion had been asking her about and at least have a ballpark for thread count.
To just throw out her skills like that is bad writing and disrespectful to the original character background. The same scene could easily have been pushed along, as stated, by a different question that left her skills intact. This is just bad research and understanding of one's characters, or simply ignoring one's established character for the sake of just writing an idea in the laziest manner possible.
I love the show, I love these characters, but I am not going to blindly ignore a glaring mistake like that when they have been so much better for so long.
_"She was able to exactly recreate Rarity's original designs by memory, so the same episode you attempt to disprove her skills and ability proves it over again."_
I don't see this being established anywhere in Suited for Success. She had the assistance of the other Mane 4, and they even outright stated that they followed Rarity's "brilliant design", implying they either found Rarity's design sketches, or were able to infer what was intended by the half-finished dresses design. Fluttershy _finished_ a dress, that had a clearly outlined, professional design, with assistance from four other people, but we never see her make a dress from scratch, that I can recall anyway.
She rambles off a bunch of apparent observations at Rarity, but we never actually get confirmation in that moment that anything or everything she said was correct, only Rarity looking surprised, which could have been more shock at the normally quiet Fluttershy actually being able to spout off some sewing and fashion lingo, but it is _confirmed_ later that Fluttershy's ideal dress is actually poor design, so she really doesn't know as much as she thinks she does.
Fluttershy isn't necessarily going to know the thread count of a random outfit that's being presented to her on the spot. Take this as confirmation that your assumptions about her knowledge are wrong, and that while she may know how to do a bit of sewing, she doesn't know as much as Rarity, especially about fashion.
You offered literally nothing to show she didn't know anything. They stated they were able to remake the dresses thanks to Fluttershy's freakish knowledge of sewing. She gave a critique of the construction of a garment by wearing it. Her ability to create a garment was proven, which is far more important to the question asked than fashion sense. As I stated, the question could have been focused more to something that pertains to fashion sense rather than physical attributes of the garment she has proven to be capable of noticing to minute detail. She may not have had an exact thread count,. but there is a difference in feel between low and high thread count items. Feeling the garment would have told some one with that much knowledge of sewing and garment creation if it was a high count or not. She also knows that Rarity only uses the finest quality materials. So I doubt a low thread count item would be on Rarity's shelves and Fluttershy would know that being a close friend of Rarity's with interest in garment creation.
But, you've stepped out here and presented no evidence and told me to accept your opinion as fact that I'm wrong. And you keep trying to direct to an irrelevant trait that has nothing to do with the question posed that brings everything into conflict with the character's skills. The question was on physical attributes of the garment, not of fashion. Continuing to hammer about a lack of fashion sense is either purposely ignoring the nature of the question that caused the foul up, or simply not understanding what was asked.
Honestly its weird that this episode up when did I went to Con for Role playing groups, we pretend we're vampires or werewofls or mages or changelings (not the mlp kind)and most of us get really into rp and in some games there's lots backstabbing. we know it's all for fun, but when some people get to in to it and get really salty if they're characters lose power or die, we do have to remember that we're all friends at the end of the day that doesn't always come easy though, I know it's not the same thing but it just was on my mind while I was watching the episode.
Good review doc. Sure Silver Quill will make an observation about the lack of continuity with past episodes like Art of the Dress and the one where Flutters was a model for a time. Thought that would've carried through even with a teapot cosy haha. Having said that, the episode is a spectacle indeed and a great example of a VA's range as well as a bit more world building. The speed of the changes felt somehow smooth even though fast pace but that's fashion I guess. Overall a quirky story that stands alone like a Brony fanfic. Look forward to the next one and great to see the writers trying something new or making a past plot device work better second time around (e.g. Newbie Dash). Cheers /)
I love how people bring up Art of the dress, and then ignore that what she picked was much worse than what Rarity made.
Are we not going to talk about the "SCP System" Rarity had in place and then how Fluttershy is terminated?
One line from pinkie pie made this episode for me she called them rodents in that moment it was like who are you and what have you done with fluttershy
EXTREME CODE SWITCHING TIME this episode gives me more fuel for me projecting a bit of my own identity as an autistic on to Fluttershy while my own experiences with code switching aren't as extreme there are some instances that are close in terms of the effects that the code switching can have.
The lesson you missed: The mask worn to long, becomes the face.
This episode made me concerned that Fluttershy had developed Dissociative Identity Disorder, just because of how drastically her personality changed, and how committed she was to each role - even when she didn’t need to be.
Never mind Fluttershy fan art, I wanna see fan art of that adorable mare with the purple hair who was all smiling and squealing when she said “It must be MINE!” 😄
It's litterly just a cheerlie and Berry punch recolor. My God. -_-
So? Why should that mean I can’t like her? And have you met this fandom? I garuntee you she’s already been given a name, I just don’t know what it is. And since she’s a recolor (and fans like to imagine that Cheerlie and Berry might be related) there’s a good chance that she’ll become their cousin from the big city.
This fandom goes ape over insignificant background ponies all the time, let me have this one.
I haven't seen this episode yet, cuz I have no tv, but I'm excited XD
0:21-0:28 Pretty much how I felt after watching Ready Player One.
I'm in Australia, so I haven't seen this episode yet, but I do have something to say based on the clips I have seen. As a gamer who plays quite a few RPG video games, I do find myself getting into character and acting a little different to normal. Not as drastically as Fluttershy, but enough that those close to me occasionally notice. I kinda want to see her try O&O to see what Spike, Big Mac and Dischord see in it. I can just see her really getting into character and it bleeding into her day to day life and needing to learn how to "turn it down". It could work for Rainbowdash, but she doesn't strike me as the sort to get into character.
For me I think this episode explains fluttershy and her cutie mark deeply. I always thought that her cutie mark just meant that she could communicate with animals but since this episode I thought about it more and realized that the butterflies on her cutie mark could actually mean change or transformation. It makes sense as she changes each time she wears different clothes and it’s like she’s a whole different pony, just like when a caterpillar transforms into a butterfly. So again, this episode explains her cutie mark on a whole nother level for me.
I really enjoyed this episode, despite some pretty glaring flaws in its logic, right up until the end. The fact that Fluttershy just comes out of the personalities in a snap suggests she had total control of them and was just acting because that's what she thought was the right thing to do. This completely erases any justification for her being a jerk, especially to the Smokey family.
If she had lost control of the personalities and let them dictate her actions unwillingly, that would be one thing, but no, she was entirely cognizant of everything she was doing. There is just no way that Fluttershy, in total control of her actions, would yell at the Smokeys and tell them to "go back to the forest".
Dear Dr Wolf, this is a fellow pegasister I need of some guidence. Like Dustykatt in that halloween video in 2014, how can I do a better job sticking up for what I like about mlp to my peers? I just want some advice on how you or how the others in the fandom might do it. PLEASE respond.
Now all we need is a slashfic of Hipstershy and Punk Rarity.
I believe I know why Fluttershy was so off the walls....SHE'S A SYNTH
I personally think this episode was a warning about the dangers of role playing. Fluttershy got so into the characters she was portraying that she became those characters and she lost herself. if we had a internal brain shot for a lack of a better term, we may have seen Fluttershy along with those 3 other characters she was being fighting for control and it was only after Rarity terminated those characters that Fluttershy returned to normal because those characters no longer had a purpose to exist.
You’re on to something. This episode doesn’t make much sense from a ”teach a kid morals” pov. This idea is too complex and more of a really funny psychological study of Flutters, which actually is really smart.Yes she has social anxiety, but she’s also an introvert. Introverts sometimes deal with their social difficulties by putting on social masks, and can be really good at it. They can do this if they’ve achieved a base line of confidence that they’re no longer paralyzed by social situations
It’s not that she’s acting out of fear. It’s that she starts and it goes so well. She’s having so much fun with it she even goes overboard with it, and it’s a liberating experience. For once, she feels not even a little anxiety or held down by what others may think of her.
She should get into stage acting instead, where she could enjoy this without any risk of fallout.
I can totally relate to Fluttershy in this episode. Anytime someone has to come in completely green into an industry that has a lot of specialization and complexity, it is very stressful and it can be hard to cope. I work in retail nursery, at a hardware store, and that first customer of Fluttershy's had a question that had the same level of difficulty that I get on a regular basis (ex: What's the root system of this tomato plant like, and will it do well in a half wine barrel where there is a lot of wind?) We already know that Fluttershy is sensitive, even with all the growth she's had as a character, so I don't blame her at all for having some sort of break. It's almost expected with the ways customers come in and accost newbies for not being experts.
They could have made something like this with another character. Like a teen. When a person thinks they can only fit in if they act like that group. Per pressure.
I think it's a story that's better when you're not expecting a lesson. It feels like they wrote a comedy piece for the sake of randomness.
Like fairly odd parents. Thank you writer for this episode! FOP forever and MLP together! XD
Fluttershy scares me now. O_o She becomes so dedicated to what she is playing she will throw her kindness out the window just to stay in character and Fluttershy only came back after Rarity fired all the other Fluttershys. Not when her friends come back including Rarity but when Rarity fires all three Fluttershys. I know its played for laughs but I can't help but how bad it could have been.
My thoughts on the episode? *sighs* I'm sorry Dr. Wolf, I know this is a harsh word to use, but I hated this episode. I mean, yes, the episode had really funny moments, but this episode rubbed me the wrong way. I may be thinking too hard, but I can't let it go. This episode went out of its way to make me hate my number 1 favorite pony and it succeeded. The main six being busy one minute to having time in the next is one thing, but throughout the episode when it focused on Fluttershy it made me angry. The moment she lashed out at her furry friends was the straw that broke the camel's back. There's acting and then there's acting that goes as far as making others believe you're not you. Fluttershy should've stopped right then and there when she said those hurtful things. Pause for a second to let the raccoons know she didn't mean it, but no she didn't. She got too carried away and she didn't stop. This episode didn't make me happy (mostly), it annoyed and angered me to the point I wanted to just stop watching the episode. And the ending could've been different. I'm sorry Dr. Wolf, but this episode is a pass for me.
Preston Lockhart U pass it. I gave it a passing grade for me.
Preston Lockhart Border line pass of 6 on the first view and 7 on the second view. Opinion respected.
Preston Lockhart Josh its not a bad writer. Just this episode is hit and miss. 7 hits and 3 deadly strikes. But its not the worse episode. Not from my perspective though.
it's a huge missile strike for me. This episode made it seem like Fluttershy was a complete airhead and forgot what she was actually doing. And how the raccoons easily forgave her for what she did seemed rather quick. If they knew she was acting, they wouldn't have done what they did or Fluttershy should've paused right there when she was being hateful. And the apology she did, I didn't believe it at all. if Fluttershy were to do what she did, she'd be in tears from all the guilt eating her. This is not Fluttershy. Well, in my opinion, at least.
Preston Lockhart Well yah. But it seems as fluttershy has gotten a bit far and it is the beginning of season 8. So i guess the writers have no choice but push her character a bit. But it is unexcusable for some of the reasons u state. But again. It is not the worse in the SERIES. But i will admit it is the WORSE of season 8 so far. Maybe i am to generous with my grading. Is it wrong that i add 1 point for my opinion of SOME of the humor make me laugh making it a good average episode. Am i wrong and too kind with my grade?
Honestly i saw it was done by Josh Hamilton, very unique they are changing actors and writers. Whats more fun is how Fluttershy basically took a different approach of who she was and what she and i pracitcally laughed and was in awe when she did the "Out the front door joke" Which all ponies of the mane 6 should've seen coming from different point of versions of the shows that have used that experession loosely other than that great job:P
I had a hard time enjoying most of the middle of this episode. On the one hand, when I saw Fluttershy succeed with her first customer, I proclaimed out loud that I was very proud of her. But then when I saw her start to take things farther and farther, I was all but begging her to pull it back. When she got so overly critical of the customers, I just made myself sit and bear through it hoping that the climax would make up for it, and yes, Fluttershy getting fired three times in a row and then inadvertently spooking Rarity was a high point to set the ending up on. It was a hard sell for me, but this episode gets a pass. Bonus points for how they included Spike in this episode too.
I just can't get over that nopony thought to ask Coco Pommel to help
I think someone needs to do a video surrounding the issues regarding coco pommel. The whole thing is really stupid but it is what it is.
Fluttershy has gotten carried away before. There was the Halloween episode where at first she didn't do well at scaring her friends and then really messed them up later. This episode followed that pattern: Fluttershy being unsure at first, some false steps, then going too far with it. Perhaps Fluttershy is something of a perfectionist and that drive to be perfect could be both holding her back and pushing her to excess when she does try.
Twilight and her friends might have been busy in the beginning but they were probably done what the things I need to do besides the always make time and the effort to help a friend could be more important than helping a friend you can always put something aside when it comes to that no matter if it's traveling through land to land.
I enjoyed the episode, Dr. Wolf, and Fluttershy really needed a reality check regarding her getting caught up in her salesperson roles, and once Rarity told all three they were fired, it brought Fluttershy back to her senses, apologizing for getting too caught up in the moment.
Kudos to Fluttershy with realizing her errors and owning up to them.
My favorite part was all of the alt Fluttershys getting fired before she apologized.
The biggest issue I have with this episode is the ending with the moral: exactly how is InnerWarrior!Fluttershy different from the bullying she did as Snootishy, Hipstershy, and Emoshy?
I didn't notice it the first time through, but Flutter's dress at the end reminds me a great deal of the Protoss Reavers in Starcraft 1
O_o
I heard someone say in a reaction vid that it looked like a Wonder Woman reference..
I thought it was a pretty great episode. It made a lot of sense to me, and I didn't find the personality turns that jarring to be honest. When one starts wearing different masks/hats/playing different roles for different people one comes across, it's easy to lose sight of who you really are, and simply become the role. Maybe I'm mis-remembering a bit, and even with that reading too much into it, but fluttershy didn't show up anymore after the third role had been made. Granted this could easily be simply time constraints and whatnot, but I thought it maybe a subtle nod that fluttershy had more or less ceased to be while the three roles were being put into rotation. and not until after did fluttershy show up after her roles had been terminated. That fluttershy could not regain control so long as a role had a purpose to play (the shopkeeping job). That even though she knew what she was doing wrong, she had become a passenger in her own vehicle while the three roles took turns at the wheel. But then again, might be none of that. It is just a cartoon.
Idk what I think because my recording is all messed up so one week it skiped the maud couple so I got that this week
What I've come to notice is two things (one of which being a newly developed fan theory of mine, which I do hope you'll be willign to read the entire thing). The first thing I've noticed is that whenever Fluttershy steps out of her comfort zone personality-wise, she tends to lose herself. It was first shone in Putting Your Hoof Down, and now here. She gets so caught up in a personality that it can tend to assert itself over Fluttershy without her actually realizing it.
Secondly, I have a theory as to why Fluttershy becomes so aggressive when she tries to become assertive. I think that Fluttershy is frustrated that her shyness can cause her to become, for lack of a better term, a doormat. She herself is perhaps unaware of this herself, making it subconscious. But this idea can lead back to season 1 in The Best Night Ever. She wants to befriend the animals in the Canterlot garden. But when they ignore her, she starts pushing herself to be more assertive about it. Eventually, that leads to her losing it in that iconic scene.
Then comes Putting Your Hoof Down. I don't think she became a bully because of Iron Will's teachings (not entirely anyway), because I think she would be able to recognize bullying. She becomes a bully in part because of her subconscious frustration.
Then comes Bats. Sure, her personality was overwritten. But what she became was something scary. This could be disregarded if it weren't for the fact that in Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep, she once again became Flutterbat (granted, that was fan pandering, but still...). And once again in Scare Master, she uses the Flutterbat costume to scare her friends. And even if her intent was to scare them for fun (and the fact that it was Angel Bunny's idea), she became something that the rest of them didn't recognize.
Later comes Fame and Misfortune. Fluttershy is being hounded by several ponies about not becoming assertive. When she finally does assert herself to show that she has, she become angry, which carries on for a little while, even after they've escaped the crowds. Although, I gotta love that face she gave Rarity.
And then we come to Fake It 'Til You Make It. When she donned these new personas, it became method acting (which I have experience in how that can help if you have issues with asserting yourself). She became different characters. It probably wasn't helping that she was trying to keep track of 3 different personas, none of which was her own. But the more assertive nature of those personas lead to her frustration leaking out into those personas. Her own subconscious frustration of her own non-assertiveness is essentially creating a form of multiple personality disorder.
There's even a fan animation that, though isn't canon, could potentially back up my theory. In ForgaLorga's video 'Secrets of the Mane 6' (found here ua-cam.com/video/Yn_srm53wVI/v-deo.html ), Fluttershy has a form of stress relief in the form of going to a shed and causing destruction.
Perhaps I'm just projecting a little bit of myself onto Fluttershy, since I already see a fair amount of myself in Fluttershy already.
This was the first episode in a _loooong_ time where I didn't have to pause and cringe a couple times.
Acknowledging Dash and Rarity's achievements, showing Rarity is still working with Sassy and her Manehatten clerks, the raccoons! The glorious continuity!
Additionally, the costumes and speech styles Fluttershy put on were absolutely adorable! ^w^
AND she got to hand the Manehattenites a taste of their own medicine! >=3
I rank this LEAGUES above that _abysmal_ season premiere, and I really hope things keep looking up from here! FiM is, at its best, an adorable Slice-of-Life show with moments of high action fantasy. As long as those high action fantasy moments are at least three-quarters thought out and don't disregard major details. (cough cough Movie cough cough S8 premiere cough cough)
I do agree. The transition from Fluttershy's characters being "Just right" for each customer to just flat out insulting the customers just came out of nowhere. It didn't make sense since the whole reason that she adopted those identities in the first place was so that she could help the customers properly. Heck, when the Mane7 showed up, Hipstershy said that seeing the customers leave brought her joy. Her switching to insulting the customers is completely out of character in this case, in my opinion.
My headcanon is that Discord gave Fluttershy the ability to clone herself.
hi to you DRWolf. theres one thing that i actually have not seen from any review on this episode, is two little details that could actually explain many things to be honest: the first one is about Fluttershy being rash three times with three different personnalities at Rarity, theres a little videographic detail over here, that may look ridiculous but also pull mlp in a very intellectual way: the three personnalities goes from Right to left of the screen (it also breaks the 4th wall twice here) but when fluttershy comes to apologies , she comes from Left to right (for a big example of what im talking about: see The Propaganda Publicity) the view of her personnalities are shown by direct hit of what fluttershy said to rarity, but also by the specific visual aesthetics and im sure this wasn't a coincidence , because they even added the idea of breaking the 4th wall twice by going twice from an impossible place of the screen to the same spot , at the opposite of the screen. the second interesting thing about all of this is fluttershy herself: one thing that people forget.. is that she disguise herself to be on mood of people.. but why is she refering herself to? that is really simple: she's refering to rich Customers Coming for the "high fashion (also expensive) costums they wish to find here" .. mostly to say : people that doesnt let a chance to the seller. and why is Fluttershy is swapping from good seller to a rash pony : because the next customers that comes became More and More rash! thats a certain thing i love on this episode..theres a moral here : "customers are always kings. but this doesnt mean they can allows themselves to be that rash when they simply could ask! and money doesnt change this !"
hope youll have fun reading this comment.. "if you do"
Honesty, the way I viewed it was that it was a funny episode that provided a side of Fluttershy she didn't really think she had in her, a side that allowed her to express herself as a confident pony without going completely out of her comfort zone. She could do this because she was pretending to be somepony she wasn't. Idk maybe that's not what others got out of it but that's what I got from it.
i really enjoy this episode, and i rarely enjoy fluttershy episodes, so that a good sign for me about this season, 4 episodes in and i already like 2 of them, this and The Maud Couple
I actually really like this one. The out of character moments didn't sit well with me, but the humour is spot on and ultimately, my enjoyment of this one wins out. Oh, and there is a moment where Fluttershy's shift in behaviour is explained, but if you blink you'll miss it. For a while she was finding that the more snooty she acted, the more sales she made and the more happy customers she had. So, she just kept taking it up a notch until she took it too far. She also assumed the raccoons knew she was just acting.
I like this episode. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense in it's oddness. But maybe that's my quirky wiring.
Today, the part of Pinkie-Pie will be played by Fluttershy
I think this episode is pretty interesting to see Fluttershy to switch personalities just like Sour Sweet. She reminds of Sour Sweet when she switch personalities to be mean to every pony in the shop.
Javier Rosas Interesting for u and a bit for me. But not for quite a few for my knowledge. This episode i describe as funny but confusing.
I'm tempted to agree with Mr Enter when he says that Fluttershy might have some kind of personality disorder.
And he was only going on examples from the first three seasons, The gala freakout, The cockatrice incident, and putting your hoof down as a whole for example.
I like when we get to see Andrea Libman demonstrate that she's probably the most varied voice actor on the show. (Sorry Tara, but they really don't let you spread your wings.)
I loved this episode it was so funny and because Fluttershy is my favorite pony i really felt like she had grown up as a charterer and i just love that! over all this was a really good episode 8 out of 10.
I really liked this one. Seeing pretend to be Snooty, Gothic and a hipster was hilarious. Though she did take a little too far. It's like there were three Fluttershy's in the room. Still, I love it.
I've heard Joshua's name mentioned a few times in this fandom, and every time I have, I've been thinking isn't he one of the Avatar staff? I just looked him up and, sure enough, he did a ton of writing for Avatar: The Last Airbender and The Legend of Korra. I also see he did a lot of work for Voltron. All three of those shows are ones with long plot/character arcs. The several other shows he's written a handful of episodes for are mostly episodic (I say mostly, because I haven't seen them, but I'm pretty sure they're episodic).
Looking at the episodes he's written for this show, the first two were pretty important ones: introducing Rainbow Dash's parents, and having Thorax and Ember meet. Then, the next two (Secrets and Pies, and this one), are ones that are over the top.
So, maybe because he's written a lot of serious stuff (with plenty of humor thrown in), he decided he wanted to go all out and make things as crazy as he could while trying to stay true to the characters of MLP? I don't know.
Also, I'm kind of torn on how I feel about this episode, but I did enjoy it. I do wish there had been some kind of push for Fluttershy to take her new characters to a harsher level (maybe her persona not working for a certain pony until she became a little harsher), but... I have occasionally pretended to be characters of mine (I'm a fiction writer) at my retail job. This was done mostly to relieve boredom, and so it's stayed in my head, rather than me changing how I interact with customers. However, if I was doing it for the sake of overcoming my shyness, I could see myself focusing more and more on how my more confident character(s) would act, rather than on what's best for helping the customer. Not that I would ever let it get as far as Fluttershy did, but I can see how it would get out of hand.
The part where I take issue is when she yells at her animal friends. The moment she started to yell at them is the moment she should have stopped in horror and realized what she was doing, as that was against her very nature. Not that it wasn't great to see Rarity come back and fire her a bunch of times.
So, I enjoyed how over-the-top this episode was, and it was great seeing Fluttershy trying to overcome her shyness to help a friend out, but that one scene with her yelling at the raccoons should have snapped her to her senses. Still, it's one I can see myself watching again.
What I got from this episode was: Fluttershy has Multiple Personality Disorder.
split
i have multiple personality disorder (now called Dissociative Identity Disorder or DID). Can attest that's legit what i thought they were going for, albeit in a crude way but nonetheless...
Grace Louise Phillips
Yeah, MLP tends to exaggerate stuff. At first I thought that way as a joke but now I'm almost convinced that's the case even if its just an exaggeration.
Diego Kaqui
Split doesn't sound quite right, split sounds like two pieces and Fluttershy has shown more than two personalities.
David Lucas yeah it honestly really surprised me how much they went into the psychology of the fact she really wasn’t playing she was becoming these characters like omfg I really wasn’t expecting that and tbh I didn’t like the ep but I did think “well ok Fluttershy’s got DID, that explains A LOT”
Nothing is more funny the more you think about it.
Well... Moral? Eh... a bit character build for Fluttershy: She's a great actor. She just lost herself for a moment.
Also... well, Fluttershy found she didn't know enough about fashion. The others would have known even LESS.
Maybe it wasn't about assertiveness. Maybe it was about knowing what you're doing.