Is Ubuntu a bad Linux Distro?
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
- Ubuntu - the distribution that many members of the Linux community love to hate. But why? Is the hate warranted, or are people overreacting? In this video, I'll give you my thoughts on some of the criticisms that Ubuntu faces nowadays.
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00:00 - Intro
01:37 - Why do some people in the Linux community hate Ubuntu so much?
04:24 - Should you hate Ubuntu?
07:52 - Snap packages, and the controversy they've caused
15:27 - My overall opinion on Ubuntu
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Once I became familiar with 22.04, the removes, the installs, the add-ons, and the adjustments I needed to make , it's solid. Reliable. Snappy (forgive the pun). As for aesthetics, I love the Ubuntu theming on 22.04.
I recently moved to Pop OS, which to be honest feels like what I hope Ubuntu to be. There are a few small changes that System 76 could make to improve the overall experience. Like setting a default to .deb or flatpak (per user preference) in the Pop!_ Shop. If you install from the list of popular package it installs the flakpak by default. After installing Steam that way I realized it was a flatpak :/ I had to reinstall the .deb version. Also it has memory swapping setup by default, which is unnecessary for my 32GB of RAM. I feel that Pop!_OS requires a lot less tinkering than Ubuntu. Not to mention the window tiling system in Pop!_OS is incredible. The funny thing is I'm running it on my Tuxedo laptop, like a rebel.
Ubuntu is a great distro to use, have never had a problem with it and as a web designer I spend about 12 hours behind the screen, I have deadlines to meet and I've been using Linux from the beginning and there's no reason to hate. I've tried just about all distros and there's something to be said for every distro. Ubuntu is the mother of all distros for me. And enjoy it every day, very stable and fast. For some it is never good!
no, debian is the mother, slackware is the father that left to buy milk and ubuntu is the result of bad parenting by them.
I recently had Ubuntu Studio installed for a while, and I didn't even realize I was using Snaps. Most people probably don't know or care. There just seems to be a portion of the Linux community that is aggressively ideological about Linux and what it should/shouldn't do, and most of them probably have no idea how important Ubuntu is and has been in the server space.
If you are used to a system that isn't using snaps and then go to one that is, its like going from google fiber to dial-up waiting on apps to load.
@@dragonballjiujitsu I never had a problem with load times. What I did have a problem with was my software not all interacting with one another properly thanks to sandboxing.
Ubuntu reinstalling snaps and hiding the fact you are installing a snap when you use apt means I will never, ever use it again.
I have always gone back to Ubuntu when distro hopping as it is the easiest and most reliable distro in the end. It is so compatible and works with my many older hardware that it just makes it hard to use something else.
Most reliable? What does that even mean? Easiest? Did you ever try Linux Mint?
@@worldhello1234Linux mint sucks on newer hardware.
mint belongs inn the sewers@@worldhello1234
@@NeverGoingToGiveYouUp000 I don't disagree with your statement, but by that logic, so does Ubuntu. Mint uses the same LTS kernel that the latest Ubuntu LTS shipped with (as of 22.04, that is 5.15) and offers the same kernels from the 6 month releases in their update manager, as well as in any Edge ISO (latest is from Ubuntu 23.10 which is 6.5). And Ubuntu's LTS just has hardware enablement stacks that add the newer kernels from the 6-month releases to the LTS. That is to say Ubuntu 22.04.3 isn't any better for hardware support than 23.10.
So while Mint isn't great for new hardware, Ubuntu isn't much better. I'm not a fan of rolling releases personally, but something like Arch or OpenSuse Tumbleweed would be better for newer hardware in my opinion, or something like Pop OS and Fedora which are fixed-release Linux distros that use a newer kernel than Ubuntu and Mint do.
I think the quote from Stroustrup also applies here. "There are only two kinds of languages: the ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses".
I normally agree with a great deal of what you say, but to say that choosing a corporate backed distro means you have no right to complain is absurd. Community distros do it too, and non-contributing users have just as much power to affect change. You do have a right to complain, you also have to remember that the power of choice is always your own. Community, or company, unless you're coding the distro, someone's deciding things for you.
He said you are forfeiting the right to complain when you use a company owned distro. If you want to take it literally then yes you can technically complain. But Canonical does not have any obligation to listen to your complaint. That was his point.
I agree with you. You have every right to complain. If nothing else, it provides the company or community with feedback. Besides, many users might not have as choice in using Ubuntu (it is on their company equipment for example) or, like me, it is the only distro that seems to not bug out on their hardware. I tried Fedora KDE and loved the look, feel and stability. But because it uses Wayland and RPMs, I could not quite get it to be what I want. A pity. I switched to Ubuntu Mate which is OK and plays nice on my hardware but would have preferred Fedora. Sometimes a choice is made because the alternatives are lacking. So Ubuntu, Snaps suck! Fix it!
I agree to the right of complaining AND appreciating the good and the bad about any distro. One should give a complete feedback with reasoning. However in this case I feel people mostly hate on ubuntu because its associated with canonical. They make the distro and they can take the direction they see fit and somebody might disagree with their choices but it doesn't mean the distro is bad. Irony is that this logic I just mentioned is readily applied to community maintained software. I love KDE but developers make choices of their own sometimes and users understand the reasons and adapt to it. Same should be the case with canonical.
@@mrbladestone I think it's a strong mixture of hating Ubuntu because of canonical, hating into because of snaps, and hating canonical because of mob mentality.
@@n00bc0de7 tell me what distro does have an obligation to listen to complaints.
"Ignore the hate, try it out for yourself and see what you think about." I really agree. I daily use Ubuntu since 2014 and I find it really good. Not perfect, just the best Linux distro for my everyday work.
Using Ubuntu since 2004 in personal and work computer. It works exacty like I need for software dev. The rest are mute details
Like many people Ubuntu was my first distro because it’s so popular. In my opinion it would not be as popular if it wasn’t owned by a company.
@@jefrie7144 No idea if it was the company. Like @Carlo Gamna said it works. Little fuss and problems are far between. Isn't that exactly the objective? Results first, style after.
I don't need to ignore hate that doesn't exist in the first place and don't ignore criticism because someone doesn't know what hate is, either. If it matters to me, I stay clear of Ubuntu.
Flatpak works great on my Arch Linux on my Linux Mint on my not Ubuntu.
Ubuntu started really nice, and I'm grateful for what they did for the community, but in the past few years they just kept making wrong choices that hurt their reputation. I wish they can turn that around and come back to the right track that they were once on.
Ubuntu also have a little place in my heart
But the system is broken
After every install i get system errors
This is annoying because i cant recommend it to friends because of that reason
And the system getting slow with time
Manjaro is great i had it for 2 years with no problems before i moved to arch
Now i am on arch
Btw i use arch.
Personally, I don’t understand why there are so many distros.
Some of them seem to be aimed at the command line Linux people, such as Debian.
Ubuntu is great since I can check mark install 3rd party things during installation and I assume it installs support to read mp3, DVDs, nVidia drivers.
I run Kubuntu since I come from a Windows background. It is nice to open the System Settings and just click and install the nVidia drivers rather than searching for what commands I need to type.
I haven’t understood the packaging thing. Debian, RPM, pacman, zypper, flatpak, snap, AppImage.
Linux videos are always talking about packages while in the Windows world, nobody talks about them. Just double click a the setup.exe and it almost never fails.
In the Linux world, I double click a DEB file and sometimes I get a message that dependencies aren’t met.
Maybe the problem is lack of education? Maybe people don’t know how to properly package?
The problem with Kubuntu is that some of the software is too old. I had to uninstall LibreOffice, download the zip file and type commands to install 49 DEB files.
Updating LibreOffice also involves command lines.
To install Qt Creator, again, I need to run commands.
Snap packages have certain issues, so I had to figure out how to uninstall Brave and Firefox and install the Deb versions.
@@alcapuccino 😉
@@alcapuccino I had similar problems. I started with Ubuntu, then moved on to Kubutu, then Mint. All similar. I found all of those variariations somewhat stunted in experience as I wanted to learn more about the system than I could with those 'tightly woven' distros, so I jumped over to Manjaro and fell down the Arch rabbit hole too. Now I'm stuck in Artix land. I'm loving that whole branch. The DIY-ness of them is special.
I wish I was smart enough to use Gentoo tho 🤣.
@@alcapuccino I began with lts 20.04 and the latest 22.04 I'm happy with in most cases however, the snap packages I say it's a pitfall and failure in my view
I started my Linux journey on Ubuntu so Canonical will always have my gratitude. Having said that, I can't stand Vanilla Ubuntu, and alot of that has to to do with Gnome. I don't know what it is, the experience has always been less than stellar. Personally, I use Ubuntu variants, Kubuntu and now Ubuntu Studio, the latter is, in my opinion, almost perfect for the content creator types who want to dip into Linux.
I thought that people meant Kubuntu when they say Ubuntu.
I asked a bunch of people and it looks like most use the KDE interface on Ubuntu.
"ignore the hate and try out for yourself" so true! I started my Linux journey with Ubuntu 22.04 and so far no problems for me and what I do everything just works, I wanted Ubuntu so bad in the 2000s when I was a kid and tbh now I'm in my mid 20s and no regrets, also Ubuntu may not be everyones cup of tea but you are still in the Linux ecosystem and I think that is better than nothing
It's not bad per se, it's just "misguided" by Canonical. Linux Mint is what Ubuntu should've been.
Surely!... Mint is what Ubuntu should have been really. But again: IMHO, Ubuntu is becoming such a "specialty" distro. Good for the ones whom really need it while everyone else goes away. I remain using Mint with Ubuntu base on my older laptop for some things. Nothing against Ubuntu itself to say the least!...
But even mint is running away from Ubuntu with "LMDE" (Linux Mint Debian Edition). Thats on version 5 or so now and very stable. Makes sense to cut out the middle man
Indeed! These are interesting times for Mint.
Exactly what I was going to say lmao!
Linux mint Debian edition is taking the spot Ubuntu used to hold
Hey Jay, very good points on the topic on Ubuntu. Couldn't agree more. But one thing regarding the recent videos. Since you moved to the new background tiles I noticed that the brightness of your videos constantly change ever so slightly. I guess the camera is having difficulties with dialing in the correct values for exposure. Maybe it would be a good idea to set static values for it since your setup is not changing while filming.
Besides that: Please kep up the good work. I really like this channel for it's calm and very informative content.
I started my linux journey with ubuntu 12 as it was a very popular distro - since then I have upgraded with each LTS until the SNAP chapter - I had some frustration with snap and for 2-3 years now am using linux mint as my fav distro. I occasionally try other distros and have always returned to ubuntu and more recently, mint. Keep up your super viseos - I have learned a great deal from you!
Being a new user to Linux, my opinion isn't biased by any knowledge of one system over another. Let me start by saying, I will not use the word 'noob" it is diminutive and offensive. It is also telling. Right out of the gate a substantial amount of the culture of Linux uses a term for a new user in a derogatory term. This is off put-ing. Then the back and forth between distros is comical. Linux has so many distros, you can find what ever type distro fits your needs and wants. If you don't like a distro then hop. You will find the one that fits you soon. The problem is some people are just trolls. Some people get their happiness by making people upset or bring them down to their level. Other people can't be happy unless they have something to complain about. This will insure that we always have plenty of comments full of venom and bile. Sad but true. Thank you for your content, Jay . Always entertaining and informative.
If I'm not mistaken, I've been using ubuntu since 10.10.
It was sent as a cd when I first installed it.
I used it that way.
The processor was core 2 duo.
Ubuntu isn't perfect, of course.
But according to the operating systems in the market
pretty fast in some ways ubuntu 22.04 .
thanks
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Firefox slow start is almost fixed... I tried it yesterday and I was really happy that they are trying
When I switched from Win 7 to Kubuntu 18.04, I noticed that Firefox takes longer to startup on the same PC, using HDD. There was no snap.
I could tolerate Firefox.
Steam took 50 s to startup while on Win 7, it took 15 s.
I asked about it. Some people sad their Steam starts up fast but they were using SSD and that hides the problem.
One person had a HDD and it was taking him near 50 s as well.
I then used Kubuntu 20.04, then 20.10 or 21.10, now 22.04. The slow startup remains.
I have a Ryzen 3600 3.6 GHz, 24 GB DDR4 3200 MHz, AMD Radeon 6800 16 GB and nVidia Geforce GTX 980 4 GB.
I've had Ryzen 1800X 3.7 GHz as well.
When I start up Firefox on a old Athlon II X2, 16 GB DDR3, the slow startup is much more noticeable.
I like what you had to say about reputations in Linux. I find reputations play a big part in any technical field. People echo good or bad comments that they have heard because they think it makes them look like they understand something that is very technical. What I find is that many reputations are actually out of date and many supposed problems have been fixed or surpassed before the reputation has even got going. The great thing about Linux is that it is easy to try something out and prove or disprove its reputation. (Not so easy in other fields like the car industry , hifi etc.)
I use a Dell Precision laptop (same xps base) that came with Ubuntu 18.04. Even tough I switched to Fedora 36 as my daily driver OS for the newer kernels and technologies, I still have the Ubuntu installation on a separate partition, and sometimes it’s nice to be able to run back to it to solve any issues the pc may present, or install older deb applications that don’t go along with Fedora dependencies.
I transitioned to PoP OS from windows and five years latter I have migrated to Peppermint 10. I had heard about the stability of Debian peppermint 11 and have been considering it by using it in a virtual machine.
Since I consider myself more of a hobbyist in my approach to learning Linux it now seems wise to stay on Peppermint 10 until I feel more confident about moving my HOME folder to a partition on a spinner the ROOT on fast SSD.
Thanks for the info concerning Debian not being the best for many hardware drivers.
Not a fan of ubuntu desktop, but lts for production systems havent failed me once in last 6 years.
Ubuntu has been my only linux desktop for years now. Nothing beats their documentation and easy to find knowledge base article's.
Every now and then i try the latest linux poster child - most recently Pop!Os . I always end up going back to ubuntu mostly because i like the simple no-clutter desktop. I tweak a couple of things - use numix icons and disable desktop icons - thats about it. The new Screenshot tool is the bomb.
@@NickFellows You may want to try Fedora 36. I tried and never want to go back to Ubuntu again. I’ve been using Ubuntu for more than 10 years to see so many things come and go. Not that it’s bad, but other distros just getting so well groomed to the point that I make a hard switch. Fedora excels in everything you just mentioned and does better.
Don’t believe me. Try for yourself
@@karunsiri What's so different about Fedora?
@@didiwu8876 Ah I commented a long one twice and my comments disappear....
@@karunsiri Last time I tried Fedora, I think there is no click click way to install the nVidia driver or other closed source drivers.
It seems that Canonical are the only ones that have figured out how to program?
I recently upgraded Ubuntu from 20.04 to 22.04 on my main machine -- a Tuxedo InfinityBook S14 v5 with 8GB RAM, i5, 250MB SSD -- and am not experiencing that delay when starting Firefox. It starts in 2 or 3 seconds on the standard Gnome interface and almost instantly in the i3 desktop. Maybe it's some optimization from Tuxedo?
Like your vids , thanks. One question for you about snap. I run Brave as my default browser and have tried to uninstall Firefox but cannot, now I know why it wants to stay resident, thanks. But is there any way to stop the constant upgrades?
Great video! lots of people get on the biased opinion long before trying for themself, I'm a Debian user but have no problem recommending Ubuntu.
I'm a huge fan of fedora but that's because I've learned to get my Nvidia driver to work on it... in fact before that, I used to hate fedora... on those days, my favorite distros were either an minimal and unsnapped install of Ubuntu or ubuntu based distros like pop os or feren os... so I don't think ubuntu is a bad distro but I certainly is not an exciting one...
That's the beauty of Ubuntu. You don't have to learn how to install the nVidia driver. You just click click and it installs and then reboot.
That impressed me.
I said, here is a company who knows how to program.
I just wished they did the same for the AMDGPUPRO drivers.
I prefer Ubuntu over Fedora and Arch. As you said it is very compatible with laptop and desktop especially if you have a dual screen setup. Have tried all of them and i just don't feel the need to distro hop after getting on Ubuntu. I might try popOS after watching this video
My system runs Arch (btw) and i3wm, so I should probably one of those people that just *hates* Ubuntu. And, yet, I don't! I installed it on my mother's desktop PC, as I found it to be the most polished and flexible newbie distro (aside from Linux Mint). The one thing I really don't like about it are the snap packages. But since I don't use Ubuntu myself, it's not a real concern. Anyway, good video!
Went from it to Arco/Arch xfce 4 years ago. No reason hate it. Just not interested any more.
I've put a few colleagues onto Ubuntu on our ageing hardware fleet and anecdotally, they get it right away and it just works for the type of work we do. Can't complain about snap packages if you've never experienced anything else!
I used Ubuntu desktop for about 6 years but recently switched to Pop OS. The 2 main things I like better in Pop OS are: 1) no snap packages 2) better fractional scaling support. I may switch back to Ubuntu when 22.10 comes out but, for now, I'll use Pop OS 22.04. I looked at Pop OS after watching some of the videos by Learn Linux TV.
I failed to install PopOS in dual boot with Windows 11 even though I followed all instructions in all UA-cam videos. So sad.
@@nukoolchompuparn8570POP OS does not do dual boots well😢
@@sheldon6786 Thank you. The only one reason that I need to use Pop_OS is the window tiling. Now I have Pop Shell installed on Ubuntu 23.04,
i just started using microk8s , and i think this is a great way to get started with kubernetes event if it comes as a snap package
very easy to set it up even as a cluster with multiple control plane nodes
I like kubuntu but I detest the standard distro.
As an occasional graphics programmer, Ubuntu was one of the first distros to make Linux something I could as my daily driver PC. The Unity desktop was underappreciated at the time, with lots of QOL features that I grew to like. Today I use PopOS, but Ubuntu did me right for many years, and I still happily use it on servers.
I liked Unity also. It was super useful to me.
I have been totally fine with Ubuntu, until 22.04. I recently stood up a new server to host SAMBA and Docker and the fact that core pieces of the system are now snaps has made things really difficult, at least more than it should, IMO. I am now having to decide if I should just wipe and reload something else while the task is still smaller. It's sad, because Ubuntu used to be the goto if you wanted something with newer tech and still stable. I now run Fedora on my laptop and have been surprisingly happy with that. At least I have choices, as opposed to Windows...
Great look onto this Jay! I am currently switching between Ubuntu -> Pop_Os due to the snap packages being slow. I love Ubuntu as well and it has been great. But the snap packaging is horrible when it comes to performance. Pop_Os is also a very good distribution and I think this one fits my needs better. If anyone would make a switch to Linux, I would say try Ubuntu and Pop_Os both and see what fits your needs. They are both great distro's!
I am doing this switch too. Testing Pop OS on my laptop before changing my desktop from Ubuntu.
You will find that Pop also has a much newer kernel and that is better for newer hardware support. No snaps. I use Ubuntu 20.04 on my work machine and Pop 22.04 on my personal laptop. I find Pop more to my liking. However, Ubuntu works fine as well.
@@kellypainter7625 I am having the same setup, so looking to switch to Pop for my desktop in the near future.
👍 video, thank U
I've used Ubuntu on a live disk for a while. It was easy to use, I have no professional need for the distro & don't trust the company that develops & maintane it so I just don't use it. I run Linux for several reasons & love the community's philosophy for the most part. So I'm running w/ & trying out Garuda Gnome, Going to try mate, qtile, i3w... My question to you is what wifi PCIe & keyboard is best for Linux?
been a ubuntu user for yrs now, mainly before my upgrade i was running an unsupported mac mini 2011, to the latest updates, it just works, switch it on then do the admin thing with work, web browsing & printing invoices, email, just updated to a new machine after 11yrs use, and i decided to keep my daily machine as Ubuntu, ps spot on with snap and firefox, flatpack first then snap then deb, i do love the sandbox thing, with flat & snap. especially with older hardware.
It's not bad, and it would be weird for any linux enthusiast to say they "hate" it. Ubuntu was the first linux OS I ever tried using, like 15 years ago and it was amazing back then to realize I wasn't stuck with Windows on my PC (or have to buy a Mac) - it let me put my money where my mouth with when I disparaged windows while still giving me freedom.
I've always had some issue or another with Ubuntu, usually hardware but sometimes just new releases no longer had features or the interface I had gotten to like. Unfortunately Ubunutu (and linux in general) was never enough for me to completely leave the Windows world, to the point I even stopped even setting up dual booting, and virtual machines were sort of pointless except for exploring more about linux.
Since then I've been distro-hopping trying to find the perfect (or best) distro for me on my current hardware. There have been many better alternatives than Ubuntu in my experience, but the best thing about Ubuntu is the huge user knowledge base. As someone that is still (and likely forever will be) a novice other distros make for a lot more work to troubleshoot. Right now I've loving Zorin OS because I have had nothing but positive experiences with it (at my point along the journey into moving from windows to linux completely), it's many of the benefits of Ubuntu knowledge base, but the developer seems to have optimized it just perfectly - I like gnome the best and it works snappy and flawless for me (unlike i how it seems to be in Ubuntu LTS) has all the repos ready to go, graphically looks great and easy to customize the way I like. Fedora is a close second but m slightly outdated hardware just can't keep up with the Desktop environment. Arch-based is just too much having to keep up with. Much fun trying out all the other distros but I just keep coming back to Zorin. Next time I replace my entire system I'll probably distrohop a little to see if Fedora with gnome runs better but I imagine I'll stick with Zorin OS as long as the developer keeps maintaing it.
If Snap packages are the main issue one could easily switch to Flatpak/app image/deb and use them instead. There's no need to put quick judgement on a whole distribution just because it's Snap
and ubuntu will always try to sneak them back on. I pass judgment on ubuntu for trying to force them on ppl. Look at Zorin. They use .deb, snaps, flatpak, everything. Far more sensible.
app images don't work on the latest ubuntu 22.04. All because of the libraries for it are newer and you cannot downgrade it either.
I had Ubuntu 16 and 18 Desktop and it happened to me it within year it broke and needed reinstall. The major release upgrade prompted by system from 16 to over existing install 18 also broke the system. Their push for containerized Snap apps was confusing to me as beginner when I could not access another partition directly from a torrent client. Now I use Ubuntu 20.04LTS server without GUI, and it serves my needs for hosting my web apps and Plex pretty well. Never had issues since then.
Thank you for adding this topix.
To be honest When your using a linux distro for gaming or normal work it doesnt matter what distro you use.
When your a business with lots of revenue and you need stability you have only 3 options.
Debian is not an option because of the no support by default and dwindling companies that offer support.
You have Ubuntu, Suse and RedHat.
RedHat is owned by IBM and IBM always F::::S projects, it did so for the last 30 years, i have been dealing with their software in the past and all that is owned by IBM it's a hard pass (IBM BPM implementation to a major bank by IBM).
Suse is a great distro, but the ownership is changing too many hands and althought they have a good path of what they are doing, their support isnt so good and in some countries it's hard as there are no native speakers at all.
So a major minus if your an international company.
Ubuntu is actually the only company that can provide major and small companies wordlwide with great support and offer cheap support packages.
Not like RedHat or Suse for that matter.
So yea If your a serious business Ubuntu is the #1, especially if your international it's the only choise.
I use Ubuntu daily and can do everything I need to do with it. I also use it on my in-house server with no problems. I've tried other distros over the years but prefer Ubuntu. It works for me.
I think the greater Linux community should foster an environment where all ideas are welcome and the best ones stick around. Ubuntu checks too many good boxes for too many people to be automatically dismissed, and they offer a different perspective to Fedora or Debian or SUSE etc. that adds value to the whole community!
Apropos snap!
It would be quiet interesting to get more background information on snap, how it works, how to use the tools, made for it, and so on.
What I don't understand: I've seen multiple times, when there was no ubuntu package available for a certain program, that I could install another deb-Package and install it with dpkg -i, and if no debian package is/was available, I was encouraged to download a rpm package, and install it with alien (?), and it worked. But I know to few things about package managers to explain, in which cases this works and in which cases not - maybe it isn't that big of a problem?
In former times, I often builded the software from sources (configure/make/sudo make install) which is ok, if you only have to do it occaisonally. And you don't need 100 times the same library in slightly different versions. You update the library and all linked software profits automatically.
Today, I can't use the mount command any more, because the screen is cluttered all over with snap-mounts. What the heck?
And if I install the software - why does it matter for the startup time, how it was installed, with apt or snap? Because the program comes with with own copies of libraries and can't use, what's already in RAM? That would at least explain a lot.
Since I'm teaching Linux, I have to use something, which is not too exotic and I use Xubuntu, because it was for a long period a nice and reasonable distribution. These snap packages are a serious reason, why I might change my decision. And since it is a Ubuntu thing, I don't think they solve the problem of creating so many different packages for application developer. Or did a competitor like RH or SUSE or whatever join the snap train? I don't think so, so you still have to provide multiple formats, now it's one more, plus flatpaks.
Maybe somebody with more insights into package building can shine some light on this topic and I am wrong.
Lots of distros build ontop of Ubuntu for years. Your point about accepting a distro that is build by a company would apply to all those "community" distros as well.Canonical have been working for decades on it, of course there are going to be decisions that are 'mistakes' to some people.Ubuntu is a big part of the software pipeline and community and overall has moved opensource forward; In my opinion it would be better to focus on how to adapt or remove the changes that you dont like in the releases.
so the new debian comes with non free drivers. i installed it onto a beelink u59 and it worked. but when opening the browser and watching a video in fullscreen there was a lot of screen tearing. when running ubuntu on the same machine it runs buttery smooth. is that a driver issue of sorts, or just some other setting ubuntu uses that makes it run better? both times i used xfce4.
Likely not using the correct driver. Linux tends to block the proprietary drive that is written by the manufacturer but the open source drivers sometimes aren't perfect.
Fantastic video and t-shirt! I recently converted an 'expired' Chromebook to Linux and found that Fedora worked best with the hardware. Strangely, Ubuntu based distributions had this issue where UA-cam videos would crash halfway through. Tried to fix it, but failed, however Fedora worked straight out of the box.
interesting....I use fedora as my daily driver myself, but from my experience fresh fedora install is very minimal (that I love) and lacks many things out of the box, multimedia codecs for example.
I like what you said about arriving at your own oppinion I used ubuntu , and did not like it. I just removed it and moved on. I now use linux mint 20 and love it. By the way I have only been using linux for about 6 mos, and no computer in my house has windows on it anymore. I am not complaining about windows. linux is just so much easier to use for me. Thank you for sharing your thoughts wit us.
Good video. I don't like the Firefox Snap, because it takes several seconds longer to load on first load after system startup. But Ubuntu has the most diverse package base for a stable distro. Because of this, I recently switched from Debian to Xubuntu. Sure, there are plenty of great distros using the ubuntu base, but all of them do things that I don't care for. I like to use Xubuntu with the Cinnamon Desktop added, because it lets me do things the way I want.
Honestly for me Ubuntu is the Linux distro that I keep coming back to either desktop or server.
My only complaint using Ubuntu is snaps. As you stated in your video, some snaps are slow to load. Some snaps are out of date. An example is mpv, last updated August of 2017. Rather than complain, I just install something else. If they would fix snap loading issues, I would have no problem using them.
Thank you so much for this video. It summarized everything what I think about Ubuntu. I have benn using it for a couple of years and it does a great job to me. So I am 100% agree with you Jay.
All the best to you.
Probably was not your intent, but my take is to direct my focus to PopOS! Your solid logic and candid honesty is refreshing on this topic. Well Done!
Ubuntu was the first linux distro I ever tried. I didn't know anything about it or linux, only it was an alternative to Windows, was free and they sent you an install disk in the mail for free too. I liked how after installing it everything just worked - no loading drivers. I couldn't get over the mounting/unmounting drives, thought it was weird the task bar was at the top and didn't really like it.
Fast forward 15 years and Ubuntu was still around to my surprise. Now the internet was a bigger thing and you could just download ISO files to try. I was amazed at how far the desktop had come, but I still wasn't buying into it. I tried it again, then Xubuntu, then Lubuntu, then Kubuntu, then Kubuntu Studio. They were all quite usable, but still minor annoyance issues that I just couldn't get over. Then along comes ZorinOS, which was what actually got me converted over to Linux.
Ubuntu still isn't for me. I'm not a fan of the Unity desktop as it doesn't suit my work flow. Or their decision to use Snap packs (great in theory, terrible implementation IMO). I don't know why they can't just give the user the option to install from an official repo, flat or snap packs like many other distros? Or using super old software and Kernels which makes it hard to use on newer hardware (fine for old systems). But I have to thank Ubuntu because without the news, info and free disks sent I would probably never have even known about Linux in the first place. And the info in their user forums is priceless. Have an issue with any distro Ubuntu derived, then have a look in their forums for the answer.
I have been looking into Ubuntu for many years but now it has come up with a bug that is just too annoying, my mouse freezes on the screen for minutes at first startup starting with 22.04 and now same with 24.04. I have no issue with this in Linux Mint
Is it bad? No. There are some things about it that don't suit me.
5:00 or so ~ I generally find a distro which is backed by a big company, has more resources and produces a better product. Ubuntu and Redhat / Fedora are the two which come to mind. You mention Debian but they're a bit of a special case. Trace all the distro which are based on Debian (perhaps 2 or 3 generations removed, but still based on it, like Mint (which I use and love) and ...)
If Mint vanished tomorrow, I would probably go to Ubuntu Mate edition, but I would be sad about it. I was a Ubuntu user before I was a Mint user, but they got quite insistent about using the Unity desktop and made fitting an alternative more or less impossible. That was when I consulted DistroWatch and saw that Mint was #1 and had been for some time, and that it had a gnome2 derived desktop, called Mate, which was precisely what I was looking for. I became a Mint user as my daily driver that day, and I have never looked back.
Today I have about 14 guests (one Windows 11 but don't tell anyone) and the rest are a selection of Linux, including several Arch based ones like Manjaro and EndeavourOS, but I don't want to make any of those into a daily driver. They're nice to play with, but I don't trust them the way I trust Mint.
I like Mint, but as a KDE Plasma user and one whose laptop fails to boot even the Edge ISO, it simply isn’t an option.
Linux Mint do have a debian based edition, just in case Ubuntu disappeared tomorrow ;-)
@@stranded_mariner7695 I am aware, however, I have been unsuccessful in getting any Linux Kernel not in Arch to boot past GRUB on the laptop.
Nice catch title. Still, Ubuntu is and will be an absolute beast of a distribution. Canonical is and will be a powerhouse for Linux in general 💪😌
It's a very relevant call you've made. I'm not currently using Ubuntu, nor snap packs, but in the Linux ecosystem, just as is the case anywhere else, a lot comes down to recognizing the fact that compromises have to be made everywhere. If anyone wants to make something that's universally compatible, then they invariably need to make a compromise in terms of its performance, or looks, or even functionality. I've only tried once to run Ubuntu on a laptop but I had problems with getting the sound card to work properly, so I ended up installing another distro instead. However, based on that experience alone, I wouldn't advise anyone else against using Ubuntu. Why? I think that it does have to offer a lot, and it makes a significant contribution to the diversity that makes Linux what it is. Will I still try to return to Ubuntu? Of course. But I think that a company backed distro should be able to bring to the table the kind of dependability that far surpasses that which is usually seen from community backed one, so that end users don't so readily encounter such basic inconveniences as audio hardware incompatibility. Why? Because you only get one chance to make a first impression, and everything else after that only serves as a mere attempt to remedy a missed opportunity.
I use Ubuntu due to one factor. It is the only Linux I've found that works with all my hardware, out of the box. I do not have to configure or find Drivers for anything.
Not a fan of the latest LTS. Tried to install a couple of flavours at the weekend and just kept getting repo errors and the performance was terrible. Couldn't be bothered to fix this and just went back to 20.04 as only wanted it for retropie base but I think this sort of thing is why a lot of folk are going off Ubuntu.
I use "kubuntu", I've tried other flavors, I like it just fine... not as pretty as cinnamint, but it works.
i am currently using Zorin OS (Core version), Ubuntu based. No problems on both my very cheap, old laptops, dual booting with Windows. One laptop is an Intel Atom with 2 GB RAM, the other one is an Intel 987 also with 2 GB RAM. No problem whatsoever.
I really love your perspective. The main factor I dislike about Ubuntu is the limited freedom it offers for customizing my operating system according to my preferences, despite supporting many different flavours. However, the main reason I planned to use Ubuntu after extensive research is because it might be the best option to serve me as an AI researcher.
Hi which packages you use on a Mainframe z/OS in USS?
As a desktop OS, I like Ubuntu--until I try to chase down the apps I want and need. Then I have to deal with Ubuntu repository hell. And then I get to see the same repository issues across Ubuntu, Mint, MX, Zorin, Pop! Or I find the app I really need isn't in Snap either.
My opinion: I've been running some virtual servers for a few years, Ubuntu 20, later 22 and now 1 server is running version 24. Rock solid, security updates always get installed automatically and I also have a cron job to reboot them over night if needed.
On the desktop side, I don't use it much (Windows 10 is still on my main PC). Recently I did a fresh install on a Microsoft Surface Go 2 with Ubuntu 24 (desktop of course) and it's running fine as my media PC (connected to my TV).
I just timed the startup of Firefox after the first boot, it's about 3 seconds. I can live with that 🙂
I have several editions of your Ubu server books and I know there are large similarities when looking at Ubu and Debian. That said, I would love to see you author some Debian books. Maybe something in the future?
I completely agree, Ubuntu is a great way to get started with Linux. My laptop ran ran for more than 12 years, it was a measly i3 gen 3 but it worked. Sent e-mail accessed the internet and studied.
Pop OS is just awesome, a bit tricker to install as i had a SSD and a HDD but then after getting it right things jut worked amazingly well.
Both are still awesome and very user friendly.
Hi, Im newbie and back to Ubuntu from a very long break, so for me everything is new, especially im very confuse with this whole snap, and how some things works or not but maybe i need time to learn linux from scratch. Anyway i will give a credit for Ubuntu ,and time for myself :D , thank , great video
Love Ubuntu Studio and have had no issues with it. Been using it for several years now and i haven't come across a distro that provides enough benefit to switch. Currently using 23.10.
It seems flatpack and snaps will require lager storage which will make running linux on older hardware impossible pr at least more difficult, I miss repos.
7:25 I respectfully disagree, regardless of the project owner the user has the indisputable right to complain about things (regardless of validity) they dont like. OFC its up to the dev if those complaints get ignored or acted upon but thats a different topic.
It's not always possible to "don't like it, don't use it". There are cases, where one needs to use specific distro due to some software running only on that distro.
I wanted to use Fedora 36 on my work laptop, but my company requires me to use Cisco Webex Teams for communication. Cisco recently released Linux version, but it only runs on Ubuntu and RHEL. After many days trying to run it on Fedora 36, I gave up and now I'm running Ubuntu. It's fine, but i prefer other distros.
I'm sure webex will run on Fedora in thr future, but I don't have the luxury to wait and see.
Canonical pushes devs to support gnu/linux and gnu/linux is ubuntu in alot of peoples minds so if you put no effort into such why complain? id like for ubuntu to get its own piece of the pie like chrome os and only get devs to package snaps so people have more reason to not use ubuntu when they are whiney freeloaders😂😂😂😂
I've been using 20.04 in a container on proxmox and it's been rock solid. I've been testing 22.04, but it has not been a nice experience so far. I wonder if it will just take time for kinks to be worked out so it works as good as 20.04.
What types of issues? For me it’s been stable since launch. But it all depends on what you’re running on it.
@@LearnLinuxTV Hi Jay! FYI, this is all for my own fun. I'm permanently disabled so this isn't for production in any way. One of the things I've been learning to setup and use is x2go. When I install MATE on 20.04 server, it installs without a hitch and all user accounts can use x2go to get a MATE desktop, but every time I try on 22.04. I get MANY failed to install messages, many apparmour messages, and it will take hours to finally complete. But, it ends in the server being completely borked and unusable. My next test is going to be getting everything set the way I want using 20.04, backing up of course 😉, and then doing a dist upgrade to 22.04 and seeing if that makes a difference.
I need your review about Windows 11 + WSL2. Can you live with that? (regardless of privacy issue)
I like Ubuntu, but I don't like snaps. I used Ubuntu for a while and all I did is remove snaps. I stopped using it because it didn't work out on my laptop. I had a lot freezes so I moved
I have used Ubuntu from 8.10 to 20.04. LTS releases, and because of snaps I am going to
hold at 20.04 for a while. I have had some trouble with Emacs 26.3 snap. The problem
appears to be with managing Emacs packages and config. I would prefer to have a DEB package and not use the snap.
This sounds like the Brew Ha ha Mark Shuttleworth started after making people use Unity because he said so, the plutocrat's choosing, which Canonical eventually had to back away from. Your experience might be different if you installed the Ubuntu Sever.
Completely agree with all you say. I currently use or play with many distributions. All have their pro's and Con's. Thanks for all your video's!!!
I use Ubuntu,Mint, Manjaro, MX, Arch, Arco, openSUSE and Fedora on my equipment daily.All of them have their good points and all have their foibles as well. I use native packages, flatpaks and snaps without a problem. I use whatever works the best for me on any given distro. The other thing about Ubuntu is that a good many Linux users today began their Linux journey on Ubuntu either in its Gnome 2 days or the Unity days so if you don't like it then move to something else.Thank's for the interesting video and I look forward to the next one.
I've been using Ubuntu as my primary personal Linux system since 6.10, because it runs well on a wide range of hardware, particularly laptops, and has good support for multimedia, and has good long-term support with reasonably recent kernel and systems software. For servers, I use CentOS (now Rocky since the CentOS 8 move to rolling release), because that's what I used at work before retiring, along with RHEL. Snaps are annoying, but they work. They're certainly more convenient than the old Unix configure, make, make test, and make install routine to get software not available in the package repositories for your release or flavor of Unix, Linux, whatever. Currently running Ubuntu MATE 20.04 and 22.04, have run Linux Mint (another Ubuntu spin-off), and Raspbian on Raspberry Pi appliances and for network services.
Running an IT Dept. with a Linux development team on Debian as its a rock solid OS and universal packaging solves a lot of the issues we faced without older packages in the Debian repos.
We also ran into many issues with developers using 3rd party PPAs, expired gpg keys, repos disappearing.
Universal packages have solved a lot of the problems we faced above.
We had evaluated both snap (first) and then we used flatpak. Seems the flathub repo is very extensive for our packages but I did like snap had cli tools that flatpak doesn't cater for.
Over all, having flatpaks (or any universal package manager) gives us the latest packages on the distro of our choice. The concept has helped us solve a lot of the issues we faced.
For Enterprise though Ubuntu has AD integration, and group policy support out of the box on their latest releases and much better HW support for Laptops/Desktop then Debian. Ubuntu makes a lot of sense for corporate customers and there is the option of longer support cycles then other operating systems (10 years LTS).
I really love Ubuntu and I hope that one day Ubuntu will install natively on Apple M1 MacBook Pro. Ubuntu really got me into using Linux daily and for me Ubuntu is a fantastic platform for my work and I'd be happy to use it for personal computer use.
TBH I've been distro hopping and ignoring Ubuntu. But I gave up and tried Ubuntu and I've made the decision to stick with it. For me it's one of the most stable distro out there. No issues at all compared to what I experienced with Manjaro, mint, popos, vanilla os
Ubuntu was the first distro I installed onto a PC. It had dependency issues from the get-go. That might have been because I was new to it, but reading on the Ubuntu forums makes me think I wasn't alone.
Then I used Arch for many years, until they had the toolchain maintenance issue earlier this year. Now I'm on Fedora and I don't think I'm going back to any other distro. (...also used Gentoo for a year, really don't understand how people love Gentoo, but to each their own.)
I have been a long time user of Ubuntu Server (since 14.04LTS). This month my main computer suffered a failed windows 11 update that made it stuck in boot loop that broke my hyperv configurations and loads of other settings i went on and installed Ubuntu Desktop 20.10 3 days after it came out. The OS is so software developer friendly that i cannot explain it to anyone. I was a strong Windows is desktop linux is server type of person so now seeing how more productive i am with ubuntu on my computer is just insane.
There is one problem i might see people having and that is video games. I play only csgo and it has native support of linux, the other games i play i have an xbox series s like forza 5 and fifa 22. If you dont play games on the PC and you are a software developer i highliy recommend using Ubuntu
The amount of time i saved past month and a half from developing code on the same system its gonna be deployed at is huge. File system permission issues in Java and Python are past. Coding native C code for ubuntu knowing its gonna work. Unbeatable. Not to mention preinstalled node 18lts on the system.
There are issues of course, my audio is arround 40% lower then it was on windows. Seams to me like a bug
Ran Fedora for years, experimenting all around.
Crashed a production box with Ubuntu on it due to an update after two months of coding.
Ran Fedora for 2 days, at day 2 it completely broke on me. Your experience may vary...
@@DarkGT Never had any serious issues with it. Both were around 2011-2012.
Been using Ubuntu since 6.04. And wifi was a nightmare back then.
I am using Linux on a server since 25 years and on a desktop since 16 years. Beside some minor hickups Ubuntu has never let me down. I tested many other distros but most were just crap. There are some good alternatives (I like e.g. KDE Neon, Arch, MX Linux) but in professional environments Ubuntu is my workhorse and has always been highly reliable. Most people who like/dislike things have very little facts to proof their biased opinion. I also do not use a broad usage of snap packages. Some come in handy but most default snaps I replace these snaps with .deb packages. Snaps have their place but I do not want to get pushed to use them everywhere. So long I have the freedom to replace snaps with .deb packages I will continue to stay with Ubuntu.
Somehow the more I use both snaps and flatpaks, the more annoyed I get from the graphical performance (responsiveness + theme consistency) of snaps but yet I found them to be more reliable ones. I once lost my code while the VS code (flatpak) crashed on me. Also i think its unfair that when flatpak fails to perform, they get proper reasoning and vindication while snaps get a lot of hate and much less appreciation for the work that developers put in.
Regarding @7:43, I think it actually makes MOER sense to complain about something you are using than something you are not using because it effects you more. It is a matter of your philosophy: some people say that a squeaky wheel gets the grease, while other would say a squeaky wheel gets replaced. But if you want something to change, the worst response is silence. Complaints have a function, if done for the right reason and with the right motive in the right way. It's the difference between a criticism and a critique. But sometimes the person or organization won't take it seriously unless it is couched in the form of a complaint. And loving a system, save for that ONE thing you hate, makes just leaving it silently a bitter pill to swallow for many, and it also makes resolution of the problem less likely.
I tried in my laptop intel core 2 duo and works perfectly. I do not mess the system, simple install, install programs I need and use all by default. A enterprise in back ubuntu (Canonical) I think it is a plus because more professional and not adventures .
Anytime I had tried to use Ubuntu on one of my main computers over the years I've ended up having it start having software crashes and other really weird issues. So I ended up using Linux mint as my main OS for a very long time until switching to Manjaro this year. Now I only use Ubuntu server in a vm to run my Nextcloud.
Can you do Pop OS vs. Ubuntu video??
I use Debian for my plex server. I don’t need much out of it. I don’t want to constantly reboot and have service config files change when I update. I trust it to be secure and stable and if I have to use a flatpak for the latest version of end user software so be it. I use Ubuntu lts on my desktop cause j just wanted to slap something with a version of gnome that wouldn’t be constantly updated breaking extensions. I use fedora on my thinkpad cause it just seemed like the thing to do if I wanted a solid gnome distro with flatpak out of the box. I end up writing scripts to do the annoying system maintenance anyway. The distro that wins is the one that I don’t realize I’m using
The real issue is use case - what do you want to get out of your operating system? Setting that aside Ubuntu for desktops and laptops is very much a workstation operating system in my view - with general use conveniences added over time. I don't think it's 'bad' - just unsuitable to some people's needs or use cases. Thanks for the clarity and direct discussion of this topic.
Thanks Jay for making this video. I am using Ubuntu for many years now and still enjoy working with it every day. But choosing an os is highly depending on your personal usecases. Choosing your clothing style is personal too.There is no right or wrong.
I don't know about that....some clothing choices I've seen lately were definitely WRONG. (You are right about Ubuntu though)
I've moved on from Ubuntu as my main distro in favor of Fedora but I still love using Lubuntu on my old laptops.
OpenSuSE is my fave kit because I use to be cert in SLES, but I only recommend it to more advanced new users, and Ubuntu is still one of my 3 suggestions (Pop, Mint being the other two.) I really don't mind Ubuntu. People had no issue with IBM, Red Hat, Cert and look where that ended. So remember distros, corp or community owned, come and go.
Started with Commodore, then Atari, then had to work with Windows at work, reluctantly. Couldn't install Red Hat successfully, discovered Mandrake, then Fedora. Problems with Fedora, and somebody introduced me to Ubuntu. Since then, I keep experimenting with other distros. That's what we do, isn't it? But I keep coming back to Ubuntu for some reason. Seems everything works.
I've used Ubuntu, Pop!_OS, and now I'm on Mint. I think Ubuntu is a great for entry level, but as a gamer I don't like it. Pop was great for gaming, but I didn't like the DE. Now I have Mint with Cinnamon DE, and it just feels really good. That's the fit that's right for me. Certainly nothing is perfect, and I'm hoping to try out some others like Manjaro soon. At the end of the day, it's not Windows, and that feels amazing.
I dont hate Ubuntu. I dislike snap packaging due to the resources it uses and how it is implemented. Kudos to the Canonical for trying to innovate something new. However I love using Pop!_OS because it is basically Ubuntu with the snap packaging removed mostly because it is based on Ubuntu.
The whole Flatpak vs Snap package debate is kinda like Betamax versus VHS. Sure Betamax was the superior format, but at the end of the day VHS was better implemented for the market to take advantage of. Unless Canonical really improved snap package performance and allowed self hosted repositories, I can see it losing the universal packaging war with flatpak. As for AppImage, well they are behind in both mindset and market share of users compared to Flatpak.